Non Elect Salvation Possibility (Presented in Academic Styled Writing, Revised 13 August 2024). Link for free PDF:

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Among all the replies, I cherish this most so far because it’s from a theologian with a PHD from Cambridge (the real one) in “Patristics” (Church Fathers). I just want to say “Thank you Doc” and I hope what I wrote is True but there’s no way to verify it for sure on earth so it will remain a “possibility” only and my work on it is done by God’s Grace which helps us to be more accurate and at the same time forgives our errors. Shalom.

The Reply:

“Dear sir,

Thank you for your attachment. I have looked at this with interest, and note that it contains much scholarship. However, I am afraid JTS has too long a queue of articles awaiting publication and too little available space for us to be able to take an interest in it at present.

I hope you will be successful elsewhere.

With best wishes,

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The Journal of Theological Studies (Oxford University Press)
Email address: [email protected]”

For which writing? “The Old one below”
(Old) PDF:

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My comment: Beyond all this, I appreciate your humbleness SIR because you were willing to read it despite being in a top theological position in a world No.1 type ranking university and even reply. May God repay you in His Kingdom even just for humility alone (Sorry if I have to reveal this conversation to promote the reading of the writing itself hehehe). I am aware that my writing touches a sensitive topic which may not be suitable for wide publication as it may offend some readers.

P/S: I originally wrote this email

On Thursday 8 August 2024 at 09:25:40 BST, Coach Jonathan Ramachandran <[email protected]> wrote:

Shalom,

I know I sent a difficult to read pdfs earlier with images and coloured fonts and some with no text etc. So I finally wrote the major ideas in this new pdf titled “Non Elect Salvation Possibility (Presented in Academic Styled Writing)” which you can use in any way if possible.

Thank you and sincerely,
Jonathan (Jon)

Abstract

This paper studies an entirely new concept which is non elect salvation. I invented the academic term “Non Elect Salvation” to denote this possibility. The idea is that there is a salvation outside of the Christian Salvation (which is the well known Elect Salvation) and it differs in the time which it occurs (second resurrection), the final abode (final new earth), the judgment it endures (saved by fire, purified, sanctified) and even the type of bodily resurrection (terrestrial) which entails it. The recipients of this salvation could include both fallen Christians as well as non-Christians. A structure of proof is presented based on the fundamental notion of “no prophecy is of any private interpretation” (2 Peter 1:20) where the Chiliasm Church Fathers St. Justin of Rome (Justin Martyr) and St. Irenaeus of Lyons are primarily consulted followed by Tertullian, St. Methodius of Olympus and St. Victorinus of Pettau too. Where there is difference in their writings, I prefer to stick to St. Justin and St. Irenaeus for accuracy because they are earlier and boast of a closer relationship to the lineage of the Blessed apostles themselves. A key point to note is the challenge to the popular modern view that 1 Corinthians 15:50 – 52 refers to rapture but these Chiliasm fathers seem to point to 1000 years in human body first before a change into no more flesh and blood (or angelic) at the end of the Millennial Reign and other aspects are presented to match it.

Non Elect Salvation Possibility (Presented in Academic Styled Writing, 17 August 2024 SHORTER VERSION). Link for free PDF:

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Non Elect Salvation Possibility

(Presented in Academic Styled Writing)

by Jonathan Ramachandran

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(Revised on 13^th August 2024)

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Table of Contents

1.0 Why, Reflection & Introduction ……………………………………………… 3

1. Sola Unity in Diversity …………………………………………………………….. 4

1.1 Balance between tolerance and doctrinal friction ……………………. 4

1.2 Lord Jesus’ Parable of the Wheat and Tares ………………………… 5

1.3 Non Elect Salvation Possibility ………………………………………… 6

2. Detailed Exploration of Non Elect Salvation Possibility Example ……………. 7

2.1 Unlearnt and Learnt Cases ……………………………………………… 8

2.2 Chiliasm Church Fathers ………………………………………………… 9

2.3 Chiliasm Prophecy regarding Change from Human to Angelic …… 10

2.4 Chiliasm Prophecy for the Timeline of Last Trumpet ………………. 12

2.5 Evidence in the Book of 1 Enoch ……………………………………… 14

2.6 Earliest Chiliasm Quotes ……………………………………………..…14

2.7 Does error in eschatology make one a heretic? …………………….. 21

2.8 St. Augustine of Hippo and his view on Eschatological Heresy …… 23

2.9 Possible Scripture Level Vision – Shepherd of Hermas ……………. 24

2.10 Rabbinical Judaism and its Two Types of Proselytes …………….. 27

2.11 Sheep of the Other Fold ……………………………………………… 32

2.12 Indian Evidence – Sadhu Sundar Singh and DGS Dhinakaran …. 36

2.13 Two Water of Life references separated by 1000 years? ….…….. 39

2.14 St. Irenaeus & St. Justin’s strange quote on the unbelieving …….. 74

Conclusion …………………………………………………………………………. 113

Bibliography ………………………………………………………………………… 149

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1.0 Why

This topic of non elect salvation possibility fascinates me because it relates to the spirit world and learning about God’s eternal judgments. I am not afraid to write something which can turn out as false as long as I treat it academically and present it with evidence from first Christianity till now which could explain it.

Reflection

It’s God’s gift to be aware that something is seriously wrong even if no one else at church realized it as Martin Luther did. Next comes courage to speak up and stand with God’s Word in the Bible even it means to risk one’s life in the process. Little would Luther have realized that his actions would lead to the entire protestant movement today which is like 2 in 5 Christians (40% of Christians) fulfilling the Great Commission! God’s Hand upon Luther’s life shows that despite his weaknesses, God saves him (and us likewise) giving empirical assurance of the wideness in the Mercy of God unto salvation in Christ for those who believe in Lord Jesus.

Introduction

Martin Luther wrote 95 theses against the Roman Catholic church seeking to reform it from extra-biblical practices [1]. The fruit of it is the protestant movement today which continues to strive to achieve Biblical perfection as evidenced by the various denominations associated with it. Though united in some sense, the protestant movement is also divided by theological understanding and practice. Personally, I believe that these divisions in the church are necessary to show who is approved and not [2]. The Gospel is not preaching about Christ only but also preaching what He said to avoid lawlessness. In the great denial, many claim to have done the gift of prophesying, casting out demons and miracles in His name but He declares “I never knew you!” and the way to avoid it is declared immediately as “hears these sayings of Mine, and does them” [3]. Here is a single reform which I would like to bring or amplify in Christianity.

1. Sola Unity in Diversity

There are three harvests of the Gospel indicating levels of obedience to the Word of God (hence reward) namely the thirtyfold, sixtyfold and hundredfold levels [4]. This means that Christians can have error and hence varying levels of obedience according to the measure of faith gifted by God [5].

1.1 Balance between tolerance and doctrinal friction

Since the measure of faith is determined by God here, no point in trying to force or convince another Christian regarding something they may never be able to understand nor accept even if you turned out right. Having this understanding increases tolerance and removes unwanted friction among Christians.

I believe that each step toward accuracy is proof of a closer relationship with God and He allows freewill to reward those who diligently seek Him. I do not agree in theological shaming practices though one is free to express strongly. This means that we leave the judgment part to God but continue to work together in Christian unity to love another for the parts which we agree. It is sad that some Christians end up boycotting each other from ministry and jobs even just because they do not see eye to eye on theology or practice. Hence this freedom is important so that we make no one stumble from our doctrinal stance whilst letting God Judge or reward other Christians accordingly [6].

Deeper unity is shown only when we as Christians are able to fellowship alongside other Christians whom we do not agree on all points doctrinally. We can refrain from participating in practices which contradicts our personal stance but that should not stop us from working together in ministry on grounds which we agree. This way, each Christian can maintain his/her unique perspectives. Differences in doctrine which are allowed should only affect variation in final rewards and not risk anyone’s salvation. Hence heretical thoughts cannot be admitted into our discussions as we are to be holy in words and thoughts too.

1.2 Lord Jesus’ Parable of the Wheat and Tares

Christ actually taught even greater tolerance to be held in His Church by even welcoming the tares into it without doing any filtering until the end of the age. This Gospel model of both wheat and tares growing together [7] but separated at the end of the age when He returns is what God’s Will is and so we ought to run our Church according to His pre-defined method here. The danger stated in this parable is that if one tries to remove the tares, it can even uproot out a wheat meaning some talented and good Christians can end up being removed from ministry and so such Christian leadership will be held accountable for such negligence and loss. I will cite one early Church father for this claim which I believe explains the reason why Christ asked not to separate out the wheat and tares is because of freewill since some may be tares today but can be wheat tomorrow after repentance. Hence the Church needs to be aware of this to be a cradle for repentance for such ones in case this change happens as St. Irenaeus of Lyons (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD) writes, “but man, being endowed with reason, and in this respect like to God, having been made free in his will, and with power over himself, is himself the cause to himself, that sometimes he becomes wheat, and sometimes chaff ” [8]. If God can allow the original churches to be wrong for at least 1000 years (i.e. between 500 AD to 1500 AD), we must be also aware that our local church or interpretation of doctrine and prophecy could be wrong on some parts too. Let God judge which Christian or denomination will turn out right but we can present our studies, opinions and early Christian quotes in support of our position. The doctrinal grid line where this boundary is drawn in history that is unanimously agreed across protestant, catholic and orthodox circles is the Apostle’s Creed and Nicene Creed (325 AD) [9] where the latter is more recognized. This boundary line is important so that we protect the church from heretical thoughts.

1.3 Non Elect Salvation Possibility

St. Gregory Nazianzus (c. 329 AD – c. 390 AD) writes, “then here too I will provide thee with broad paths. Philosophize about the world or worlds; about matter; about soul; about natures endowed with reason, good or bad; about resurrection, about judgment, about reward, or the Sufferings of Christ. For in these subjects to hit the mark is not useless, and to miss it is not dangerous. But with God we shall have converse, in this life only in a small degree; but a little later, it may be, more perfectly, in the Same, our Lord Jesus Christ, to Whom be glory for ever. Amen.” [10] This quote seems to allow variation of doctrine in the topic of “Judgment” where the major historical positions for the damned are eternal hell [11], annihilation [12] or Christ centered universalism. [13]

So speculating on the topic of “judgment” will not save anyone nor condemn them but may make a difference in “rewards” according to St. Gregory here. Martin Luther has demonstrated that a thought followed by a majority no matter even for 1000 years and did full evangelism to fulfil the great commission during those time still can be wrong!

In order to not misquote St. Gregory’s meaning about what he meant about “judgment” context here, his other quotes seem to point to either universalism or more accurately, some type of non elect salvation [14] possibility. St. Gregory writes, “Let these men then if they will, follow our way, which is Christ’s way; but if they will not, let them go their own. Perhaps in it they will be baptized with Fire, in that last Baptism which is more painful and longer, which devours wood like grass, 1 Corinthians 3:12-19 and consumes the stubble of every evil.” [15]

2.0 Detailed Exploration of Non Elect Salvation Possibility Example

This topic is of utmost importance to discuss because it deals with prophecy and we ought to identify why there is a divergence of thought in regard to the fate of non-Christians in Christian historical thought. Notice that St. Gregory’s quote earlier is pointing to the context of 1 Corinthians 3:15’s “saved by fire” [16] case not for Christians but novation heretics who are not following Christ’s way but their own way which is why I see it as a non elect salvation possibility.

If I may comment further, Iet’s map this verse to the three harvests of the gospel from “good ground” (meaning Christians) in the parable of the sower namely the thirtyfold, sixtyfold and hundredfold reward levels. Wouldn’t these honoured Christians be mapped to the ones with reward case mentioned in 1 Corinthians 3:14 [17] instead of the “saved by fire” type of 1 Corinthians 3:15 whose works are burned fully? I mean even the lowest reward thirtyfold level seems to match 1 Corinthians 3:14’s “reward” case of being honoured rather than the “saved by fire” with “no reward” possibility of 1 Corinthians 3:15. If viewed like this, then 1 Corinthians 3:15’s “saved by fire” case could be non elect salvation.

In regard to the common objection that these cases refer to Christians only based on 1 Corinthians 3:11 [18], this can refer to those non-Christians who have done some commands of God in their lives as per the conscience given to every man rule in Romans 2:6 – 11 [19]. This is commonly referred to as a special case for those who never heard of the Gospel in Romans 2:14 – 16 [20] (the word “Law” used in same context here). Can we say that those who were “excused” on judgment day based on this unlearnt case as being saved by works since they never believed in Christ nor heard of Him even or accuse that these are saved by works? Doesn’t it also show that Christ’s Perfect Blood and Atonement can be applied to such unlearnt ones in the Spirit World to be saved?

I am writing like this to show why such Church Fathers may have taught differently using this same Verse because its interpretation can be difficult.

2.1 Unlearnt and Learnt Cases

Notice that in comparison, Romans 2:12 – 13 [21] points not to this unlearnt case but learnt case since it reads “hearers of the Law (gospel)” can be “justified” if they “did the works of the Law (Gospel commands)” which could be the “saved by fire” case of 1 Corinthians 3:15 earlier. Also, if any person with faith in Christ must be able to get a minimum reward for faith which would assign him to 1 Corinthians 3:14’s reward case for it is hard to conceive that a person with faith gets zero rewards and is saved by fire as mentioned in 1 Corinthians 3:15 since faith itself is a great thing, isn’t it? Also faith without works would be dead [22] meaning that any person with a living faith (hence a Christian) must be 1 Corinthians 3:14’s honoured reward case, right?

I am writing this not to confuse you but to honestly present the deeper thoughts which arise when we map these verses to each other. Just like the unlearnt case requires such saved ones to see and believe in Lord Jesus Christ in the Spirit World, such “saved by fire” case ones of 1 Corinthians 3:15 also may refer to this class of “believing after seeing” case of John 6:29, 36, 40 [23] where Christ was only angry with the Jews for not believing Him even after seeing Him and His miracles and other works. The context of seeing the Risen Christ and then given a chance to believe is also evidenced in Apostle St. Thomas’ conversion too [24].

Whether this is a misguided interpretation or accurate truth is open to debate and this particular topic of non elect salvation is something I was attracted to from the writings of such earliest Church Fathers. How would it be fair to Christians then to believe here on earth and not in the Spirit World?

2.2 Chiliasm Church Fathers

There are some fascinating quotes in certain earliest Church Fathers whom I call the Chiliasm Church Fathers which support the idea that Christians participate in the first resurrection and reign with Christ as “kings and priests” for 1000 years in a sinless human body [25] which happens at the old earth and old heavens. At the end of this Millennial Reign of Christ, at the last trumpet, Chiliasm Church Fathers prophesy that there is a change from that “sinless human body” into “something angelic or heavenly but no more flesh and blood” in order to inherit the final new heaven [26].

It is interesting in light of the fact that “no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation” [27] and here we find Chiliasm Church Fathers clearly viewing the “change in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet” prophecy [28] not as rapture which is at the start of the 1000 years when Christ Returns but to this great mystery of Christ becoming one flesh with His Bride (the Church) [29]. This interpretation supports the non elect salvation possibility because in the last chapters of the Bible, we see that the Bride (Church) from heaven [30] is mentioned differently from the “nations who are saved” [31] where the former is no more flesh and blood having celestial (heavenly) resurrection bodies after this “change” while the latter are saved with “human or terrestrial (earthly)” bodies [32] only and not all enter heaven in that final earth after judgment day since the book of life results have been revealed too. It is not my purpose to write fully about this topic in this paper but do allow me to share a few more brief points.

2.3 Chiliasm Prophecy regarding Change from Human to Angelic

In the last chapter of the Bible, the Bride (Christians) seems to call “others” to be saved and take the “Water of Life” freely [33]. Notice that Christians were raised as humans for 1000 years to be repaid in the same old earth and heavens where they suffered [34] and there after are changed into “no more flesh and blood/angelic/heavenly” at the end of that 1000 years.

So it can be inferred that Christians partake of the “Water of Life” during that 1000 years in sinless human resurrected body [35] and when “changed” into no more human or no more flesh and blood, they don’t need to take the “water of life” anymore. Notice that the source of the “water of life” is Christ [36] and He administers life in that way possibly because the “human” body can only receive it in that way but after the “change”, the Bride is “one flesh” with Him and so can partake life from Him directly meaning the Bride doesn’t need the “water of life” anymore. If this interpretation is true, then those saved as humans, i.e. non elect salvation ones of the “nations of those saved” partake the “water of life” which flows into that final new earth where they dwell in their terrestrial (earthly) resurrection bodies.

The change from human to no more flesh and blood quotes for the Bride by Chiliasm Church Fathers [37] is fascinating and stands in contrast to all prophecy interpretation found in modern Christianity be it protestants, catholic or orthodox. Could it be that this prophecy accuracy was lost and now found? In light of the evidence and the big Church Fathers’ names that are quoted, personally, I think these has a high probability of being true. Nevertheless, since we cannot know prophecy until it comes to pass, this will remain a mystery.

Amazingly, even the non-Chiliasm Church Father St. Augustine of Hippo may have retained this same prophecy knowledge that Christians eventually undergo this change from human to something angelic after their resurrection [38].

2.4 Chiliasm Prophecy for the Timeline of Last Trumpet

For me, I think the earliest Church Fathers quoted have a higher chance of accuracy for this prophecy part since God Said prophecy is not of private interpretation.

Notice that the only Bible verse containing this exact phrase “last trumpet” is 1 Corinthians 15:52. Now, if you compare these “last trumpet” quotes, which according to St. Victorinus of Pettau happens at the “end of 1000 years Millennial Reign” (quoted earlier) where if combined with St. Irenaeus of Lyons’ quote where he seems to imply a second badge of righteous saved in “identical human bodies” (so earthly/terrestrial resurrection glory [39]) meaning non elect salvation even toward his “enemies/opponents” context [40] which could possibly be the surprised sheep of the nations who seem to not know the Lord but the Lord knows them [41] based on their Charity Doctrine good acts toward “His Brethren” (Christians) [42].

Please remember that under the Chiliasm Prophecy Timeline Christians are already saved for 1000 years participating in the first resurrection and now on Judgment Day, when the rest of the nations are judged, Christians are turned into no more flesh and blood being heavenly and so it seems hard to imagine these newly saved “surprised sheep” of the nations to be Christians because these are just saved now during this end of 1000 years!

This is why we encourage non-Christians to do Charity Doctrine acts toward Christians in hope that they may be saved by His Mercy.

We don’t discourage them to believe because we also present the evidence of eternal hell if they do not repent on earth now showing honestly both possibilities as it exists in Christian thought.

I mean knowing both eternal hell and this non elect salvation possibilities, each person has to make a decision to believe in Christ or not regardless.

2.5 Evidence in the Book of 1 Enoch

In the book of 1 Enoch (considered canonical by some Christians such as the isolated Ethiopian Orthodox Church [43]), chapter 50 could be describing this “change” happening to the “elect” (Christians, Verse 1) from “human” to “no more flesh and blood/heavenly shining with “light of days”, “glory” and “honour” on “Judgment Day” when sinners are judged (Verse 2) which seems to be shown alongside non elect salvation possibility toward “some” sinners who repent via “believing after seeing” (Verse 3) while those who do not repent “perish” thereafter eternally with no more hope in Hell (Verses 4 & 5) [44].

2.6 Earliest Chiliasm Quotes

One of the earliest Chiliasm quote preserved outside the Bible is by St. Papias who was bishop of Hierapolis (c. 60 AD – c. 163 AD) and is described as “an ancient man who was a hearer of John and a companion of Polycarp” by Polycarp’s disciple St. Irenaeus of Lyons and later by Eusebius as well [45].

It’s highly unlikely that St. Papias who is so close to either the blessed Apostles or their direct disciples or both could err on such a prophecy. This prophecy states that all Christians (i.e. those of thirtyfold, sixtyfold and hundredfold reward levels of the parable of the Sower [46]) will be in the Wedding of the Lamb [47] and obtain a final abode in heaven. St. Papias describes the final heavens which contains the new heavenly Jerusalem [48] being divided into layers.

Before we see St. Papias’s quote, let’s discuss first what is written in the Bible regarding these layers of heaven. There is only one Verse in the Bible which describes the “third heaven” to contain “Paradise” [49]. No other verse describes the “layers” of heaven so the rest are just speculations. Among these speculations, a Jewish tradition matches what Apostle St. Paul wrote namely that the “third heaven” contains “Paradise” which reads, “lifted Adam up and gave him over to the archangel Michael, with the words, ‘Raise him to the Paradise of the third heaven, and there thou shalt leave him until the great and fearful day ordained by Me’.” [50] So if Apostle St. Paul was quoting this same tradition, then the “first and second heavens” and not referring to anything earthly but the heavenly spiritual realm too as other traditional quotes here reveal, for example, “I entered the first heaven, and I saw a great sea hanging there, and farther on I saw a second heaven, brighter and more resplendent than the first. I said to the angel, ‘Why is this so?’ And the angel said to me, ‘Marvel not at this, for thou shalt see another heaven, brilliant beyond compare, and when thou hast ascended thither, thou shalt stand near the Lord, and thou shalt be His minister, and declare His mysteries to men” [51].

Now, let’s look at St. Papias’ quote which describes the salvation in heaven as follows: “As the presbyters say, then those who are deemed worthy of an abode in heaven shall go there, others shall enjoy the delights of Paradise, and others shall possess the splendour of the city; for everywhere the Saviour will be seen, according as they shall be worthy who see Him. But that there is this distinction between the habitation of those who produce an hundredfold, and that of those who produce sixty-fold, and that of those who produce thirty-fold; for the first will be taken up into the heavens, the second class will dwell in Paradise, and the last will inhabit the city; and that on this account the Lord said, ‘In my Father’s house are many mansions’: John 14:2 for all things belong to God, who supplies all with a suitable dwelling-place, even as His word says, that a share is given to all by the Father, according as each one is or shall be worthy. And this is the couch in which they shall recline who feast, being invited to the wedding. The presbyters, the disciples of the apostles, say that this is the gradation and arrangement of those who are saved” [52].

St. Irenaeus of Lyons believes in this same quote as well [53]. St. Papias describes that the lowest heaven is the new Jerusalem city which is the final abode of the thirtyfold reward level (a common gathering place for all the elect too [54]) which descends and connects to the final new earth [55]. Note that some Jewish tradition places the heavenly Jerusalem in the fourth or seventh heaven [56]. The general idea is that the “heavenly Jerusalem” and the “heavenly Temple” are situated in the same heaven usually [57].

So this means that St. Papias’ quote implies that this heavenly Jerusalem then descends either from the fourth or seventh heaven to become the lowest heaven which connects to the final new earth. Next, we see that those who produce the higher sixtyfold fruit levels get a final abode in “Paradise” which we know could be the “Third Heaven” Apostle St. Paul talked about. Above that, we have those who produce the hundredfold fruit levels to have their final mansions in the heavens above all these. I think all Christians (thirtyfold, sixtyfold and hundredfold fruit levels) can freely visit any part of these heavens but their “mansion” or final abode is different as St. Papias’ quote reveals here.

The closest Bible verse which matches this description reads, “11Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown. 12He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name. 13“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” [58].

Please observe the following when combined with St. Papias’ quote earlier:

i) This salvation in heaven is only for the elect/church/Christians (Verse 13).

ii) Each Christian dwells from the heavenly Jerusalem onward into the heavens and never goes out (Verse 12). This can imply non elect salvation for those with final abode on the final new earth since Christians do not go out anymore (from the heavens) to have a final abode anywhere on earth as it is written here.

iii) Each Christian has a crown (verse 11) [59] and so a non-king or non-priest regular person saved on the final earth who could not enter through the gates into the new Jerusalem city could be non elect salvation [60]. If everyone from that final earth could enter heaven, no need for a gate there, right?

Also this is after the Book of Life results are revealed [61] and in final new earth and heavens [62] meaning it’s not the Millennial Reign on old earth and old heavens [63].

iv) Chiliasm Church Fathers clearly describe 1000 years in a perfect human body resurrection for Christians in old earth and heavens before the change into no more flesh and blood at this time as discussed in earlier sections. This means that Christians are having a heavenly body now (celestial) and so can enter heaven but some of those saved on earth have only an earthly body glory (terrestrial) [64] and so cannot enter these final heavens with it meaning no one can trick or bypass the gate secretly since even physically it’s impossible.

v) In light of this Chiliasm prophecy possibility, together with Tertullian, St. Victorinus, and St. Irenaeus of Lyons’ “last trumpet” quote in earlier section, we see that while Christians are changed from no more flesh and blood into angelic at the end of this 1000 years, a simultaneous second badge of righteous are just raised and are being saved hence non elect salvation (if this interpretation is true). Those of first resurrection (elect) rise at the start of the 1000 years [65] while those of the second resurrection (non elect) rise at the end of this 1000 years [66].

vi) This matches a literal reading of both Lord Jesus Christ’s Prophecy [67] for the time at the end and Prophet Daniel’s vision [68] where in those saved during the second resurrection (hence non elect salvation) rise simultaneously with the wicked who are judged and/or condemned.

vii) Firstly, we know that there are two resurrections within His Millennial Reign. If each phrase is to have its own meaning, then in John 5 for those who are saved, Christ used two different parabolic phrases pertaining to the “last day” [69] which refers to this 1000 years (Millennial) reign [70] namely the “hour now is” which could refer to the “start” (hence “first resurrection” timeline) on this “last day” followed by the phrase “the hour is coming” referring to the “end” (hence “second resurrection” timeline) on this ‘same last day’.

viii) Notice that Christ may have Spoken two resurrections to life using these same phrases as follows: “Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live.” [71] Observe that for those who will obtain a resurrection unto life during the “hour is coming” refers to the second resurrection’s non elect salvation while those who will be raised to eternal life during the “hour now is” refers to the “first resurrection” (if this interpretation is true).

ix) Such a fine detail could be true since St. Irenaeus of Lyons’ quote for possible non elect salvation during the second resurrection timeline also quotes that the wicked are raised “simultaneously” with a badge of “righteous” literally and during the “last trumpet” (end of 1000 years in Chiliasm timeline) and the “hour shall come” or “hour is coming” phrase from John 5 earlier is used without the phrase “hour now is” proving possible distinction as follows, “that His words concerning its [future] resurrection may also be believed; so also at the end, when the Lord utters His voice by the last trumpet, 1 Corinthians 15:52 the dead shall be raised, as He Himself declares: The hour shall come, in which all the dead which are in the tombs shall hear the voice of the Son of man, and shall come forth; those that have done good to the resurrection of life, and those that have done evil to the resurrection of judgment. John 5:28” [72].

x) Returning to prophet Daniel’s vision, we see that Christians who are already raised 1000 years earlier during the first resurrection by this time undergo that “change” from “human” to “no more flesh and blood” to obtain that celestial or heavenly body (parabolically, the shine as “heavens/firmament” or stars” part here) during this second resurrection timeline (as per Chiliasm Church Father quotes in earlier sections) which is described as follows: “Those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament, and those who turn many to righteousness like the stars forever and ever” [73]. This also means that any resurrection verse in the Bible must first be questioned as to whether they are describing the first or second resurrection timeline which spans 1000 years.

xi) Even St. Irenaeus of Lyons writes that every Christian is a heavenly priest [74] and so a non-priest among those saved nations on that final earth could be non elect salvation.

xii) As a sample, I will show another quote from St. Gregory Nazianzus which shows that he seems to view some “saved by fire” (non elect salvation) while “others perish in that same unquenchable fire” (the damned) which reads as follows, “For I know a cleansing fire which Christ came to send upon the earth, and He Himself is anagogically called a Fire. … I know also a fire which is not cleansing, but avenging; either that fire of Sodom which He pours down on all sinners, mingled with brimstone and storms, or that which is prepared for the Devil and his Angels or that which proceeds from the face of the Lord, and shall burn up his enemies round about; and one even more fearful still than these, the unquenchable fire which is ranged with the worm that dieth not but is eternal for the wicked. For all these belong to the destroying power; though some may prefer even in this place to take a more merciful view of this fire, worthily of Him That chastises” [75].

xiii) St. Gregory Nazianzus also has this strange quote where he writes, “I know of three classes among the saved; the slaves, the hired servants, the sons” [76] meaning since all those of elect salvation are “sons of God” [77] and all Christians are saved in the marriage of the Lamb during the first resurrection in Chiliasm timeline [78], the hired servants could be Israel’s non-elect salvation [79] while the slaves could be the gentiles’ non elect salvation as the ‘surprised sheep’ of the nations [80] taking Matthew 25 to be viewed as a judgment summary for this entire 1000 years (Millennial) Reign of Christ.

2.7 Does error in eschatology make one a heretic?

St. Justin of Rome (St. Justin Martyr, c.100 AD – c. 160 AD) while writing that Chiliasm prophecy is true [81] but acknowledged that some who err in eschatology are still pious and godly Christians while others are downright heretics [82]. It is to be noted that in earlier sections I am giving an interpretation of these Chiliasm quotes which are available to support non elect salvation possibility which is not final as this is open to debate and would be more meaningful if other scholars can take these same quotes by these same Chiliasm church fathers and prove the eschatology which they believe in. If other scholars or denominations of Christianity (even within Protestantism) cannot prove their eschatology by using these same quotes, doesn’t it sound dangerous especially in light of the verse which reads that “no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation”? [83]

If God has stated in New Testament scripture that prophecy is not of private interpretation, then wouldn’t God in His Omnipotence have preserved some parts of right interpretation in the writings of these earliest church fathers? Whether I am quoting and reading these Chiliasm church fathers rightly or not is open to debate but the burden of proof does not just fall upon me but upon every denomination of Christianity likewise to use these same quotes and prove their eschatology with it.

Where these church fathers have differed, it proves that someone is wrong and this is why I treat them as possibilities. This is the most honest way of research with evidence I see with eschatological prophecy. God will understand if we present possibilities based on evidence in Chiliasm church fathers’ writings like this because that’s what is available to us. I choose the Chiliasmchurch fathers especially since they are the earliest surviving writing in entire Christian history timeline whose prophecy and eschatological aspect have survived and where they differ, I usually take the earlier quotes in time and mostly see St. Justin of Rome (St. Justin Martyr) and St. Irenaeus of Lyons as most accurate.

The popular objection by some protestant scholars that these quotes have been tampered with by Roman Catholics and/or Orthodox is unproven too. The fact that the Catholic church is actually non-Chiliasm due to St. Augustine of Hippo who was influenced by Origen of Alexandria [84] (the earliest big name they can quote) but yet the Catholic church preserved all these Chiliasm church father quotes as it is seems to point that these quotes could be authentic. Taking the case of the Jews of the past, God used the same unbelieving Jews to preserve old testament scripture and so it’s no surprise if He can do the same with Chiliasm quotes with Catholics from a protestant point of view likewise, right?

2.8 St. Augustine of Hippo and his view on Eschatological Heresy

St. Augustine of Hippo (354 AD – 430 AD) is a giant of faith not just for Roman Catholics but also the Orthodox and Protestants too. However, not many know that the one who converted St. Augustine of Hippo and even baptized him around 386 AD is none other than St. Ambrose of Milan [85]. It is interesting that St. Ambrose of Milan (c. 340 AD – c. 397 AD) has some non elect salvation quotes such as this, “For now, since all do not believe, all do not seem to be in subjection. But when all have believed and done the will of God, then Christ will be all and in all. And when Christ is all and in all, then will God be all and in all” [86] which has affected Roman Catholicism to the point that the new, post-Vatican II Catechism says: “In hope, the Church prays for ‘all men to be saved’.” [87]

St. Augustine of Hippo does not view even Christian Universalists who do not believe in eternal hell but some type of purgatorial hell which lasts only to the ages as heretics. Bear in mind that church fathers are well known to brand any heretic at sight. In fact, St. Augustine also included a possibility that some type of salvation outside the kingdom of God (i.e. a type of non elect salvation on the final new earth? I add) may still be conceivable in the slightest degree [88].

This means that we too can emulate his faith likewise [89] in viewing non elect salvation as a possibility even “may wish to think about gradations of punishment, or the relief or intermission of their misery” as St. Augustine wrote to allow even the thought of “relief of their misery” here and not be condemned to any eternal hell if wrong since I don’t think any protestant scholar would say that St. Augustine his converter St. Ambrose is unsaved, right?

2.9 Possible Scripture Level Vision – Shepherd of Hermas

Firstly, the Shepherd of Hermas (The Pastor) writing has been called as “Scripture” by some early church fathers including Chiliasm church fathers such as St. Irenaeus of Lyons and even Tertullian and was also in the “first known Bibles” of Christianity such as the Roman Canon/Muratorian Canon in the West and Codex Sinaiticus [90] (4th century) in the East.

Tertullian as a Montanist [91] wrote, “But I would yield my ground to you, if the scripture of the Shepherd, which is the only one which favours adulterers, had deserved to find a place in the Divine canon; if it had not been habitually judged by every council of Churches (even of your own) among apocryphal and false (writings); … I, however, imbibe the Scriptures of that Shepherd who cannot be broken.” [92]

A greater witness is St. Irenaeus of Lyons who called the Shepherd of Hermas as Scripture when he quoted it as follows: “2. Truly, then, the Scripture declared, which says, First of all believe that there is one God, who has established all things, and completed them, and having caused that from what had no being, all things should come into existence: He who contains all things, and is Himself contained by no one.” [93] Compare this against the preserved Shepherd of Hermas quote to see the match [94].

The Roman Canon (“Muratorian Canon” c. 170 AD) which is the oldest known canonical list of New Testament Scripture whose surviving fragment lists the Shepherd of Hermas as Scripture and says, “But Hermas wrote The Shepherd very recently, in our times, in the city of Rome, while bishop Pius, his brother, was occupying the chair of the church of the city of Rome. And therefore it ought indeed to be read; but it cannot be read publicly to the people in church either among the Prophets, whose number is complete, or among the Apostles, for it is after their time.” [95].

St. Athanasius the Great did not classify Shepherd of Hermas as Scripture in his famous letter which lists all 27 New Testament books but yet he approved it for usage. Few have noticed that in this same letter, St. Athanasius places the “Shepherd of Hermas” (called the Shepherd or Pastor) in the same level as “Esther” where today, “Esther” is considered one of the 66 books in the protestant Bible. This means “Shepherd of Hermas” too has such a potential though we cannot say for sure hence it remains a possibility only [96]. Interestingly, the Shepherd of Hermas has never been condemned by any church council and earliest Bible canons listed it as Scripture. It just went out of use and so it remains a mystery as such.

The Shepherd of Hermas calls the elect salvation as the salvation in the “Tower [of Repentance]” parabolically as representing the “Church” [97]. This same “Elect Tower” concept is quoted by Chiliasm church father St. Irenaeus of Lyons too [98]. However, during this same vision, the Shepherd of Hermas reveals further that there is a non elect salvation possibility [99] outside the “Elect Tower” for “all the rejected stones” where “stones” refer to “people” parabolically throughout these visions including those who have “heard the Gospel and wished to be baptized” but remain “unbaptized” and regressed into their “wicked sins”.

It is to be noted that this non elect salvation in another much more inferior place is only attainable if they repent in fire of punishment first and have partaken of the righteous word (possibly Christ’s Commands during some period of their lives which I personally think is the holiness and charity doctrine commands).

We can match the “elect tower salvation” as referring to the “final new heavens” abode while the non elect salvation outside the tower salvation to the “final new earth” abode in our previous discussions. Also, notice that if the Roman Catholic doctrine of purgatory is true, then these must be placed back “into the tower” after purgatory as that’s how they teach it but it is not the case here as the salvation is not in the tower (church) after this anymore implying non elect salvation possibility only. Notice that these are not said to repent on earth “despite having heard of the Gospel since they walk back according to their evil desires” meaning that this is not the unlearnt case or equivalent either.

2.10 Rabbinical Judaism and its Two Types of Proselytes

In rabbinical Judaism, there are two types of proselytes namely the “full proselyte” (ger Tzedek, devout proselyte) and “half proselyte” (ger toshav, limited proselyte) where the former is bound to keep all the Torah while the latter is only required to keep the seven laws of Noah to be assured a place in the world to come (i.e. do not worship idols, do not blaspheme God’s name, do not murder, do not commit fornication (immoral sexual acts), do not steal, do not tear the limb from a living animal, and do not fail to establish rule of law where this is traditionally enumerated in the Babylonian Talmud Sanhedrin 56a-b and Tosefta Avodah Zarah 9:4 [100]).

One of the interesting debate in regard to who can be considered a “half proselyte” or not is in the topic of “idolatry” and how far there is a leeway [101]. Perhaps the Parable of the Good Samaritan [102] by Christ can refer to such non elect salvation hope since Christ Himself Said that Samaritans “do not know God” [103] opening hope for such Samaritans who did Charity Doctrine toward their “enemies-Jews level” which can be analogous to a non-Christian doing Charity Doctrine to a Christian, right?

Perhaps these are the surprised sheep of the nations who seem to not know Christ as they ask back, “When did we see You Lord being hungry, thirsty, stranger, naked, sick and in prison?” but Christ knows them based on their Charity Doctrine deeds done toward “His Brethren” or Christians [104] and being righteous? [105]

Note that in Chiliasm prophecy timeline, this happens at the “Last Trumpet” at the “end” of 1000 years meaning Christians are already saved 1000 years earlier and at this time they “change” from human to no more flesh and blood or angelic, so wouldn’t be just saved at this time nor surprised, right?

Indeed, even St. Irenaeus of Lyons points to elect salvation to happen at the start of 1000 years when Christ Returns (2^nd Coming) [106] which he calls as the “times of the kingdom” [107] in his writing [108] while also points to a literal second badge of righteous to be saved only on Judgment Day at the end of this 1000 years which period he calls as “after the times of the kingdom” and refers to this also as the “General Resurrection” [109] in his writing who rise simultaneously with the wicked to be judged quoting Matthew 25:31 – 46’s context to refer to this timeline too which involves the “whole human race” [110].

Recall that St. Irenaeus of Lyons quoted the “last trumpet” context [111] to refer to this end of 1000 years “after the times of the kingdom” for the “general resurrection” because he clearly only views the wicked to rise simultaneously for judgment with hope for some of his opponents too who did good to get non elect salvation during this time, right? [112] Interestingly, St. Justin of Rome (St. Justin Martyr) is attested to have written that the “flesh indeed dies” in the context of “kingdom of heaven” which can mean he is referring to the “change” from “human” to “no more flesh and blood” for those who will “inherit heaven” [113] and since this was quoted by St. Methodius of Olympus who described this part vividly elsewhere [114], it raises the question whether this quote was a rephrase from one of St. Justin’s lost writings.

Please note that St. Justin also describes this same Chiliasm Prophecy Timeline [115]. We can mix these prophetic beliefs of St. Justin and St. Irenaeus here because St. Irenaeus has already read St. Justin and approves that both of them believe the same Chiliasm prophecies [116].

With this background information regarding a second badge of righteous to be saved so non elect salvation possibility, let’s return to the two Jewish proselyte classification at the start and in light of New Testament verses, perhaps these definitions can mapped and modified to mean the following possibility:

i) Full proselyte (ger Tzedek, devout proselyte)

A “devout proselyte” is a gentile/jew who has converted to Christianity, is bound to all the doctrines and precepts of the Christian religion, and is considered a full member of the Christian people. This elect salvation refers to Christians who are His bride and participate in the first resurrection as kings and priests. These are saved to inherit the new heavens with gradations of thirty, sixty and hundredfold among them where they inherit all things but have “specific difference in rewards too” who obtain celestial (“heavenly”) final resurrection body at the last trumpet changing from human to no more flesh and blood during the consummation of the marriage of the Lamb at the end of the 1000 years (Millennial) reign of Christ sharing “one flesh” with Christ in some way to inherit bodily glory too. [117]

ii) Half proselyte (ger toshav, limited proselyte)

A ” limited proselyte” is a gentile/jew who has not converted to Christianity and hence may be keeping the holiness and charity doctrine commands of Christ to some extent based on the “Parable of the Good Samaritan” (Luke 10:25 – 37) and the “Surprised Sheep of the Nations” (Matthew 25:31 – 46). These may believe in Christ after seeing (John 6:40) and hence obtain non elect salvation with terrestrial (“earthly”) final resurrection body during the second resurrection and be part of the nations who are saved on the final new earth with kings reigning over them and most would not be able to enter the heavenly new Jerusalem city which descends and connects to the new earth at that time. [118]

2.11 Sheep of the Other Fold

The common definition that the “sheep of the other fold” [119] to mean “gentile sheep” as it is contrasted with the “sheep of the house of Israel” is found in later church fathers but surprisingly not in Chiliasm church fathers St. Justin of Rome and St. Irenaeus of Lyons whom I rely on for accuracy. If we look at the Chiliasm quotes of St. Irenaeus, we seem to see two badges of sheep saved but 1000 years apart [120] which can refer to elect salvation sheep (saved during the “times of the kingdom”) in the “first resurrection” [121] vs non elect salvation sheep (saved during “after the times of the kingdom”) in the “general resurrection” [122] which is to happen at the “last trumpet” [123] (since there are only two trumpets for two resurrections), hence the latter could be the sheep of the other fold.

Both St. Justin [124] and St. Irenaeus [125] called the “gentile sheep” as “spotted or coloured sheep” instead of “sheep of other fold” label. This is important because spotted/coloured speaks about a physical difference on the sheep’s body (like a race) while the Koine Greek word translated as “fold” is αὐλῆς [transliterated: aulēs] [126] which is referring to something external namely the “house for the sheep or sheep pen” and not a physical mark on its body. This means that elect salvation sheepfold1 belongs to “house/fold in final new heavens” while in contrast the non elect salvation sheepfold2 belongs to “house/fold in final new earth” which matches our previous possibility discussions perfectly.

Around this time, Clement of Alexandria calls the “sheep of other fold” [127] to refer to some which undergo afterlife judgments and are placed in a more inferior final place which Catholics use in support of purgatory.

The most interesting quote regarding the “sheep of other fold” is by St. Irenaeus of Lyons [128] which is difficult to decipher because he seems to quote a point which the gnostic heretics are right namely “they also affirm that the Saviour came to the lost sheep, in order to transfer it to the right hand, that is, to the ninety and nine sheep which were in safety, and perished not, but continued within the fold, yet were of the left hand,” but then continues to condemn their error of some type of numerology where he says that since those words assigned as a “label” to certain things on the left hand/other fold/lost sheep does not sum up to 100 but perhaps only ninety something then these remain in corruption or unsaved (implied) in his words here, “they must acknowledge that the enjoyment of rest did not imply salvation”.

This “transfer” from “left hand to right hand” seems to fit the Judgment Day description of Matthew 25:31 – 46 when Christ separates the sheep from the goats placing the former in His Right Hand while the latter at His Left Hand (notice that Christ only does this during their resurrection where these sheep and goats are mingled meaning both are raised simultaneously hence more likely to be second resurrection timeline). Also, St. Irenaeus’ choice of words here seem to match these Verses (and his earlier quotes agree too). Another key point is to notice that these sheep are only saved during the second resurrection after this transfer and so seems to be non elect salvation of sheep of other fold since the elect sheep are saved 1000 years already by now having participated in the first resurrection.

Such an idea of non elect salvation for some after judgment is found in a non-canonical Jewish writing called the Apocalypse of Abraham. Though not canonical, such writings demonstrate that such ideas are within the realm of possibilities especially if they can match say in this case the “transfer from left hand to right hand after judgment to be restored and saved by judgment day” [129] as St. Irenaeus of Lyons’ quote seems to mean likewise.

All these raises a question namely, does St. Irenaeus have a quote which can potentially describe salvation of some sheep being saved in the spirit world context?

In a writing, St. Irenaeus seems to mention those “saved” Israel sheep on earth (hence elect salvation) while comparing the “lost sheep of Israel which has perished” [130] indicating that the “sheep of other fold” could be those not saved on earth itself (hence non elect salvation). This is not a far fetched guess because in another writing, St. Irenaeus writes using the same phrase “seeking the sheep which had perished” in the context of spirit world salvation [131] attaching it to these phrases “descend to those things which are of the earth beneath” (indicating spirit world [132]) and saved only after judgment there as he also writes this phrase “remaining part of the body — [namely, the body] of everyman who is found in life — when the time is fulfilled of that condemnation which existed by reason of disobedience, may arise,” whilst describing the salvation of such lost sheep.

2.12 Indian Evidence – Sadhu Sundar Singh and DGS Dhinakaran

Dr. D.G.S. Dhinakaran (1 July 1935 – 20 February 2008) was Founder of Jesus Calls ministry and a famous evangelical preacher in India. Sadhu Sundar Singh (3 September 1889 – 1929) was a famous Christian in India who influenced the faith of many Indian Christians through his life and writings. Sundar Singh mysteriously disappeared into the Himalayas in 1929 never to be seen again. Sundar Singh claims that Christ appeared to him and caused his conversion after he had hated Christianity, burned a Bible and wanted to commit suicide on a railway line [133].

Sundar Singh believed in non elect salvation [134] and claimed to have seen direct visions in the spirit world of it happening. In one instance, Sundar Singh saw a relatively good atheist saved in the Spirit World after some judgment time [135]. In another instance Sundar Singh saw a relatively good Hindu-idolater saved in the Spirit World too [136].
Despite all this, Dr. D.G.S. Dhinakaran claimed to have seen Sadhu Sundar Singh in heaven [137].

Now Sundar Singh claimed to have seen Swedenborg during his spirit world visions and they even spoke about some type of non elect salvation [138].

Swedenborg (29 January 1688 – 29 March 1772) claimed to have seen St. Augustine of Hippo during his spirit world visits [139] and believed in non elect salvation even in his lifetime [140].

2.13 Two Water of Life references separated by 1000 years?

In Scripture, there seems to be two Water of Life References which are separated by 1000 years Apart in Chiliasm Timeline. Please compare:

i) Christians when resurrected in sinless human body get the Water of Life at the start of the 1000 years (Millennial) Reign of Christ when He Returns to begin the Marriage of the Lamb after His Second Coming during the First Resurrection which happens in this current (restored) Old Earth* and current Old Heavens

“… 9After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” 11All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12saying: “Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom, Thanksgiving and honor and power and might, Be to our God forever and ever. Amen.” 13Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?” 14And I said to him, “Sir, you know.” So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. 16They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat; 17for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.” …” (Revelation 7:9 – 17, NKJV)

*Example Verse which proves mortals (sinners) living alongside resurrected Christian immortals at that time is Isaiah 65:17, 20 [141] during the Millennial Reign meaning this must thus happen on current “Old” earth only since it can still be touched by those in sin while the final “New” Earth in comparison cannot be touched by sin at all. But doesn’t Isaiah 65:17 say this is to happen on “new earth/heavens” and not on “old earth/heavens”?

This is because the context of the Isaiah prophecy is talking about a “renewed” old earth and not the final new earth/heavens (Revelation 21:1 – 3) [142] and this I learnt from St. Justin of Rome who quotes Isaiah 65:17 in this way:

“But I and others, who are right-minded Christians on all points, are assured that there will be a resurrection of the dead, and a thousand years in Jerusalem, which will then be built, adorned, and enlarged, the prophets Ezekiel and Isaiah and others declare. For Isaiah spake thus concerning this space of a thousand years: ‘For there shall be the new heaven and the new earth, and the former shall not be remembered, or come into their heart; but they shall find joy and gladness in it, which things I create’.” – St. Justin of Rome (St. Justin Martyr, c. 100AD – c. 160 AD) [143].

Notice that the renewed earth during the Millennial Reign still has a literal “sea” (Ezekiel 47:7 – 12) but the “final new Earth” does not have any sea in comparison (Revelation 21:1). Also the “Tree of Life” comparison seems to be similar where one way to see it is that the “allegorical” happens first during the Millennial Reign before the literal in the final new earth. All these “differences” found within the Verses that describe these majestic events seem to indicate “two types” (allegorical first on old earth/heavens vs literal later on final earth/heavens) separated by 1000 years as per Chiliasm timeline. I am not going reformat my original writing for these parts because I like the bolded and capital letters as it makes it more emphasized or noticeable since these details are what makes these passages as different but seemed to be overlooked.

As usual, I am not saying that my interpretation here must be right but I present the evidence how this can be so agreeing with the explanations given in earlier sections so that they match instead of producing an irreversible contradiction. Under these set of arrangement of Verses, let’s look at the Bible Verses which could describe the 2^nd occurrence of the “Water of Life” context as follows (remember that in Chiliasm prophecy discussed in earlier pages, Christians are already changed into no more human, i.e. no more flesh and blood into something angelic via the “Marriage of the Lamb” sharing “One Flesh” with him at the end of this 1000 years when the 2^nd Resurrection begins and so may not need this “Water of Life” since they are not having a human body anymore and with that “glorious body (One Flesh with Christ)” they can partake of Life directly from Him. Perhaps the sinless resurrected human body can only partake of His Life via the “Water of Life” and that’s why for 1000 years Christians needed that way too as described in Verses in Revelation 7 earlier).

ii) Non – Christians invited to partake the Water of Life as they are cheered on at that future time by the “Bride” (Christians/Overcomers with crowns) in comparison which is after Judgment Day on Final New Earth and Final New Heavens since the results of the Book of Life are already revealed.

“… 1Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was NO MORE SEA. ” … 1And he showed me a [a]pure RIVER of WATER OF LIFE, clear as crystal, proceeding from the THRONE of GOD and of the LAMB. 2In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the TREE OF LIFE, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The LEAVES OF THE TREE WERE FOR THE HEALING OF THE NATIONS. 3And there shall be NO MORE CURSE, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him. 4They shall see His face, and His name shall be on their foreheads. 5There shall be NO NIGHT there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever. … And the SPIRIT and the BRIDE say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And LET HIM WHO THIRSTS COME. Whoever desires, let him TAKE THE WATER OF LIFE FREELY.. …” – Blessed Apostle St. John (Revelation 21:1, 22:1 – 5, 17, NKJV)

Next, I will present the “evidence” of Bible Verses and Chiliasm Church Father quotes from St. Justin of Rome and St. Irenaeus of Lyons for both the “Water of Life” and “Tree of Life” context to show that possibly there are two different types of these two occurring 1000 years apart (one on the old earth/heavens while the latter on the final new earth/heavens) as described in pages prior. I apologize for the “coloured fonts and/capital letters” throughout for emphasis from this page onward (if it makes it hard for you to read it – please download, cut and paste it and change it to a single colour font if helpful by yourself).

Notice that Christians need to be resurrected for 1000 years in a sinless human body first before the change to no more human to be repaid in it as both St. Irenaeus of Lyons and Tertullian give this same reasoning as follows:

“…1. Inasmuch, therefore, as the opinions of certain [orthodox persons] are derived from heretical discourses, they are both ignorant of God’s dispensations, and of themystery of the resurrection of the just, and of the [earthly] kingdom which is the commencement of incorruption, by means of which kingdom those who shall be worthy are accustomed gradually to partake of the divine nature (capere Deum ); and it is necessary to tell them respecting those things, that it behooves the righteous first to receive the promise of the inheritance which God promised to the fathers, and to reign in it, when they rise again to behold God in this creation which is renovated, and that the judgment should take place afterwards. For it is just that in that very creation in which they toiled or were afflicted, being proved in every way by suffering, they should receive the reward of their suffering; and that in the creation in which they were slain because of their love to God, in that they should be revived again; and that in the creation in which they endured servitude, in that they should reign. For God is rich in all things, and all things are His. It is fitting, therefore, that the creation itself, being restored to its primeval condition, should without restraint be under the dominion of the righteous; and the apostle has made this plain in the Epistle to the Romans …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, CHILIASM Church Father, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp, who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, Against Heresies (Book V, Chapter 32, Point 1)) Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103532.htm

[From Page 500 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]

“… Chapter 25. … We say that this city has been provided by God for receiving the saints on their resurrection, and refreshing them with the abundance of all really spiritual blessings, as a recompense for those which in the world we have either despised or lost; since it is both just and God-worthy that His servants should have their joy in the place where they have also suffered affliction for His name’s sake. Of the heavenly kingdom this is the process. After its thousand years are over, within which period is completed the resurrection of the saints, who rise sooner or later according to their deserts there will ensue the destruction of the world and the conflagration of all things at the judgment: we shall then be changed in a moment into the substance of angels, even by the investiture of an incorruptible nature, and so be removed to that kingdom in heaven … when Abraham’s seed, after the primal promise of being like the sand of the sea for multitude, is destined likewise to an equality with the stars of heaven — are not these the indications both of an earthly and a heavenly dispensation? …” – Blessed Tertullian, Father of Latin Christianity, Founder of Western Theological Scholarship, CHILIASM CHURCH FATHER (c. 155 AD – c. 240 AD, Against Marcion, Book III, Chapter 25-partial)Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/03123.htm

Colourful Version of the above is from Slide 31 in Founders Powerpoint as some things I wrote in powerpoints but not found in my earlier books (all free and downloadable in links provided at the end of this pdf if keen to consider).

On next page, let’s see the water of life and tree of life comparisons from earlier write up.

[From Page 296 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]: After Christ has Returned and Destroyed the Antichrist/Beast, the First Resurrection occurs and the Millennial Reign with Christians only Begins where an ‘earthly Jerusalem Temple’ will be ‘Re-Built’ for the ‘sinners/mortal Israelite who still dwell on the earth’ (Isaiah 65:20 – KJV).

“… But in the TIMES of the KINGDOM, the earth has been called again by Christ [to its pristine condition], and Jerusalem rebuilt after the pattern of the Jerusalem above, of which the prophet Isaiah says, “Behold, I have depicted thy walls upon my hands, and thou art always in my sight,” And the apostle, too, writing to the Galatians, says in like manner, “But the Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.” He does not say this with any thought of an erratic Aeon, or of any other power which departed from the Pleroma, or of Prunicus, but of the Jerusalem which has been delineated on [God’s] hands. And in the Apocalypse John saw this new [Jerusalem] descending upon the new earth. …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology,(c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, ‘Against Heresies’, Book 5, Chapter 35 (XXXV), Point 2) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103535.htm Or another Source: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/irenaeus-book5.html

These are NOT some obscure misplaced quotes but consistent with quoting the other “Millennial Reign Verses” in the Bible such as Isaiah 65 etc. and St. Ireneaous of Lyons’ “same” Book “Against Heresies” is “full” of it and St. Justin of Rome (or also known as St. Justin Martyr) too has similar quotes, compare: [From Page 614 onward of the #ChiliasmBook], Can you “see” it? Here is St. Justin Martyr’s quote on this also describing the “long life” even mortals have during this 1000 years Millennial Reign of Christ

“… Now we have understood that the expression used among these words, ‘According to the days of the tree[of life] shall be the days of my people; the works of their toil shall abound’ obscurely predicts a thousand years. For as Adam was told that in the day he ate of the tree he would die, we know that he did not complete a thousand years. We have perceived, moreover, that the expression, ‘The day of the Lord is as a thousand years,’ is connected with this subject…” – Blessed St. Justin Martyr, a Great Early Christian Apologist who is a Foremost Exponent of the Divine Word, who Influenced Virtually all of subsequent Christian philosophy and Catholic theology, Martyr for Christ, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church (c. 100AD – c. 160 AD, ‘Dialogue with Trypho’, CHAPTER 81) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/01286.htm

”… Also there shall not be there any immature [one], nor an old man who does not fulfil his time: for the youth shall be of a hundred years; and the sinner shall die a hundred years old, yet shall be accursed [Isaiah 65:20]. And they shall build houses, and inhabit them themselves; and shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them themselves, and shall drink wine. And they shall not build, and others inhabit; neither shall they prepare the vineyard, and others eat. For as the days of the tree of life shall be the days of the people in thee; for the works of their hands shall endure. …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, ‘Against Heresies’, Point 4, Chapter 34 XXXIV, Book 5)

Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103534.htm

Please notice also how St. Ireneaous of Lyon’s quote (or paraphrase for this Verse) is more accurate in translation compared to the one in image for the word “sinner” for Isaiah 65:20 here agreeing with best word to word translations such as the KJV below:

“… There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed. …” (Isaiah 65:20, KJV, King James Translation)

Source: https://biblehub.com/isaiah/65-20.htm

An important comment: More details there as say from Page 616 onward of the #ChiliasmBook I try to explain why there are TWO GROUPS of THOSE SAVED but SEPARATED by 1000 YEARS SEEM to TAKE the WATER of LIFE meaning the POSSIBILITY (NOT DOCTRINE as I am NOT 100% sure but I present the evidence) as follows: Comparison between Water of Life reference in Revelation 7 vs Revelation 21 & 22: Water of Life reference in Revelation 7 happens on the Old Earth / Old Heavens while the Water of Life reference in Revelation 21 & 22 happens on the New Earth/New Heavens.

FIRST GROUP to take WATER of LIFE (as sinless resurrected humans) are CHRISTIANS ONLY at the START of the 1000 years Millennial Reign of CHRIST [From Page 184, 618 onward of the #ChiliasmBook] but Page 184 onward of the #ChiliasmBook is best details for this part of discussion:

How do we know that the FIRST RESURRECTION includes ALL the ELECT from these VERSES?

= “… 9After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”… 14And I said to him, [b]“Sir, you know.” So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb … 17for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to [c]living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.” …” (Revelation 7:9 – 10, 14, 17, NKJV)

[From Page 193 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]

Please notice that the Water of Life reference in Revelation 7 itself proves that it can only be partaken even by CHRISTIANS (Elect Salvation) only in their FINAL RESURRECTION BODIES as these CAME OUT OF THAT GREAT FINAL TRIBULATION. Scripture does NOT Reveal that “any Christian” secretly partook of the “Water of Life” while alive in a sinful mortal body on earth disproving strongly the “allegorical” interpretation of the “Water of Life” being partaken now only allowing any “allegorical” interpretation to allow this to happen in the FINAL RESURRECTION BODY CONTEXT only (“fixed” in Verses here) with the Most Blessed Lamb of God (Lord Jesus Christ Himself Revealed to do that here). Now, this is the MOST IMPORTANT point when reading all these POSSIBILITIES (which Gives ALL GLORY to GOD ALONE): NON Elect Salvation AFTER TIMES of the KINGDOM or 1000 years Millenial Reign of CHRIST and SOME NON-CHRISTIANS (if true) POSSIBLY GETTING the WATER OF LIFE and/or the LEAVES OF THE TREE WERE FOR THE HEALING OF THE NATIONS WHICH OF COURSE has the SOURCE POWER from LORD JESUS CHRIST ONLY and this is the METHOD in which HE CHOOSES to ADMINISTER the POWER of HIS RESURRECTION and LIFE.

In Simple Words, SALVATION is BY LORD JESUS CHRIST ALONE is TESTIFIED when these POSSIBILITIES are understood in FULL and this is NO WAY CONTRADICTS CHRIST’s PERFECT WORK of HIS CROSS but rather just REVEALS the POSSIBLE ENGINEERING or METHOD in which HE CHOOSES to ADMINISTER the POWER of HIS RESURRECTION and LIFE to us.

Tree of Life and River of Life Allegory during the Restored OLD Earth and OLD Heavens with SEA even during this 1000 years Millennial Reign Timeline

“… 12Along the bank of the river, on this side and that, will grow all kinds of trees used for food; their leaves will not wither, and their fruit will not fail. They will bear fruit every month, because their water flows from the sanctuary. Their fruit will be for food, and their leaves for medicine.” …” (Ezekiel 47:7 – 12, NKJV)

Comment: [From Page 187 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]

Compare with the Old Earth / Old Heavens Verses earlier below:

“… 15Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. 16They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat; 17for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to [c]living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.” …” (Revelation 7:15 – 17, NKJV)

with Focus Phrases for the Verses here for highlight:

“… 15Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. …” = TEMPLE still existing in this Old Earth/Old Heavens in the EARTHLY REBUILT JERUSALEM CITY when the ELECT PARTAKE of this WATER of LIFE Timeline Context as St. Irenaeous of Lyons also described during the 1000 years Millennial Reign (example please see Pages 2112 and around it of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook for more details there)

“… before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night …” = NIGHT EXISTS in the REBUILT EARTHLY JERUSALEM CITY

“… before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night …” = SUN STILL EXISTS in the REBUILT EARTHLY JERUSALEM CITY for “DAY” to happen. This “Sun and Moon” still existing during the 1000 years Millennial Reign of Christ is Revealed also in Verse below:

Please notice the words “Sun and Moon” in Verse above proving its existence at this time. All these aspects are different for the “water/tree of life” context in final new earth and new heavens verse which is described next in comparison (to see it directly, compare this page 49 with page 50 – 51).

The 1000 years separation verse before the Second Resurrection happens

SECOND GROUP to take WATER of LIFE (as sinless resurrected humans) are POSSIBLY NON ELECT SALVATION ONLY (fallen Christians and non-Christians) at the END of the 1000 years Millennial Reign of CHRIST

[From Page 186 or 622 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]

Actual Tree of Life and River of Life during the NEW Earth and NEW Heavens with NO SEA even AFTER THIS 1000 years Millennial Reign Timeline AFTER JUDGMENT DAY

The incident of “… I will give of the fountain of the WATER OF LIFE FREELY TO HIM WHO THIRSTS. …” in Revelation 21 below indicates it to happen AFTER JUDGMENT DAY where there is NO MORE NIGHT NOR SUN in that FINAL HEAVENLY NEW JERUSALEM CITY indicating that these happen in the FINAL New Earth/New Heavens:

“… 1Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was NO MORE SEA.. … 5There shall be NO NIGHT there: They need no lamp nor light of the SUN, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever. 5Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I MAKE ALL THINGS NEW.” And He said [b]to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful.” 6And He said to me, “IT[C] IS DONE! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the WATER OF LIFE FREELY TO HIM WHO THIRSTS. … 10And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and SHOWED ME THE [H]GREAT CITY, the [I]HOLY JERUSALEM, DESCENDING OUT OF HEAVEN from God, … 22But I saw NO TEMPLE IN IT, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine [l]in it, for the [m]glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. 24And the NATIONS [N]OF THOSE WHO ARE SAVED shall walk in its light, and the KINGS OF THE EARTH bring their glory and honor [o]into it. 25Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there). 26And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into [p]it.” …” (Revelation 21:1, 5 – 6, 10, 22 – 26, NKJV)

Focus Phrases from the above for highlight:

“… I saw a new heaven and a new earth, …” = FINAL New Earth/New Heavens CONTEXT

“… Also there was NO MORE SEA.. ….” = The FINAL New Earth has NO MORE SEA

“… 5There shall be NO NIGHT there …” = NO NIGHT in the FINAL NEW JERUSALEM CITY

“…They need no lamp nor light of the SUN…” = NO SUN in the FINAL NEW JERUSALEM CITY

“… SHOWED ME THE [H]GREAT CITY, the [I]HOLY JERUSALEM, DESCENDING OUT OF HEAVEN from God, …” = FINAL NEW HEAVENLY JERUSALEM CITY CONTEXT

“… 22But I saw NO TEMPLE IN IT, …” = NO TEMPLE in the FINAL New Earth/New Heavens NOR in the FINAL NEW HEAVENLY JERUSALEM CITY

“… 23The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine [l]in it …” = The FINAL NEW HEAVENLY JERUSALEM CITY has NO SUN NOR MOON

Since “… NO PROPHECY of SCRIPTURE is of ANY PRIVATE INTERPRETATION, …” (2 Peter 1:20), St. Irenaeous being so close to the one who wrote this Book of Revelation itself can be a strong indicator that he is revealing the most accurate interpretation here where this quote (next) can be a NON ELECT SALVATION QUOTE as it refers to MAN GENERALLY:

“… 6. Wherefore also He drove him out of Paradise, and removed him far from the TREE OF LIFE, NOT because He envied him the TREE OF LIFE, as some venture to assert, but because He pitied him, [and did not desire] that he should CONTINUE a SINNER FOR EVER, NOR that the SIN which SURROUNDED him should be IMMORTAL, and EVIL INTERMINABLE and IRREMEDIABLE. But He set a bound to his [state of] sin, by interposing death, and thus causing sin to cease, Romans 6:7 putting an end to it by the dissolution of the flesh, which should take place in the earth, so that man, ceasing at length to live to sin, and dying to it, might begin to live to God. …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, ‘Against Heresies’, Point 6, Chapter 23 XXIII, Book 3) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103323.htm

Comment: In light of St. Irenaeous’ quote and his proximity with Blessed Apostle St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, the way evil/sin may be “healed” as his quote above seems to link it to the “TREE OF LIFE Context” may thus be connected in some way to the Verses below where the Verses for “LEAVES” of the “TREE OF LIFE” are for the “HEALING” of the “NATIONS” [Compare, Recap] where this is MOST LIKELY NOT CHRISTIANS or the BRIDE as St. Irenaeous Chiliasm quotes already put the BRIDE (CHURCH/CHRISTIANS Saved 1000 years earlier and so they can’t be needing healing now) but rather these seems to be THOSE WHO ARE SAVED on JUDGMENT DAY ONLY needing THIS HEALING so it then must be a NON ELECT SALVATION TYPE ONLY (if this interpretation is true)

[Emphasis Mine in brackets for Focus]

“… 24And the NATIONS [N]OF THOSE WHO ARE SAVED shall walk in its light [of the Heavenly Jerusalem with Christians there], and the KINGS OF THE EARTH bring their glory and honor [o]into it [the Heavenly Jerusalem]. … In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was THE TREE OF LIFE, which bore TWELVE FRUITS, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The LEAVES OF THE TREE WERE FOR THE HEALING OF THE NATIONS. …” (Revelation 21:24 , 22:2, NKJV)

Comments:

“… 5Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I MAKE ALL THINGS NEW.” And He said [b]to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful.” 6And He said to me, “IT[C] IS DONE! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the WATER OF LIFE FREELY TO HIM WHO THIRSTS. 7He WHO OVERCOMES [d]SHALL INHERIT ALL THINGS, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. 8But the cowardly, [e]unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” …” (Revelation 21:5 – 8, NKJV)

I find it hard to see that Revelation 21:6 and Revelation 21:7 Speak of the ‘same’ People especially with Revelation 22:17 above which seem more likely to Speak of Saved-Christians calling out to some recently saved non-Christians as per details next. Three groups of people seem to mentioned distinctly and compared here namely:

Possibility:

i) The “Overcomers” = Christians (Elect Salvation) = “… 7He WHO OVERCOMES [d]SHALL INHERIT ALL THINGS, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. …” (Phrase in Verse above)

ii) The “Thirsty” ones = non-Elect Salvation Possibility toward some non-Christians? = “… I will give of the fountain of the WATER OF LIFE FREELY TO HIM WHO THIRSTS. …” (Phrase in Verse above)

iii) The “Damned” = Unsaved in the Lake of Fire = “… 8But the cowardly, [e]unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” …”

Comment: Please notice that Revelation 21:5’s Context here shows GOD SPEAKING these things in that FUTURE TIMELINE in the CONTEXT of MAKING ALL THINGS NEW AFTER JUDGMENT DAY Results of ‘Lake of Fire’ even is REVEALED but there is a group which gets the WATER OF LIFE FREELY where “freely” indicates He has Mercy on whomever He Wills.

In comparison, the ‘thirsty ones’ given the ‘water of life freely’ in Revelation 21:6 most likely cannot be the same ones who “overcome” as mentioned in Revelation 21:7 as the thirsty ones sounds like they are much lower whilst the one who “overcomes must have faith” in comparison of the word “Thirsty” which indicates lack of believing as per John 7:37 – 39 too and thus may not be the same group either.

[Image below quoting the word “Thirsty” which indicates lack of believing as per John 7:37 – 39 is from Page 262 onward of the #MyCV9Oct2023, more details there]

In light of these Verses, the “thirsty ones” could be ‘believing a little’ but not considered faith-level (for if they had faith they would have become the BRIDE, right?) while the “unbelievers” mentioned in Revelation 21:8 cast into the Lake of Fire could be those who absolutely reject everything God has Said in Christ. I mean, some could be believing some parts or WORDS of CHRIST who could come under the category of these “thirsty ones” or “those who only fully believe after seeing THE RISEN CHRIST CONTEXT” as Apostle Thomas example shows even, Verses:

“… JESUS SAID TO HIM, “Thomas, because you have SEEN ME, YOU HAVE BELIEVED. BLESSED ARE THOSE who have NOT SEEN and YET HAVE BELIEVED.” …” (John 20:29, NKJV)

4. If the Allegorists are right in that both the water of life and tree of life can be partaken by Christians even now in their ‘sinful body but spiritually’ it contradicts GOD’S BANNING of IT in VERSE below because any BODY with SIN yet in it (i.e. NOT the FINAL RESURRECTION BODY) CANNOT take it lest it CONTINUE in SIN FOREVER is the EFFECT (can you “see” GOD EXPLAINING this below?)

“… Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the MAN HAS BECOME LIKE ONE OF US, TO KNOW GOOD AND EVIL. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of THE TREE OF LIFE, AND EAT, AND LIVE FOREVER”— …” (Genesis 3:22, NKJV)

5. CHRISTIANS may partake of the FRUIT of the TREE OF LIFE most likely due to having HEAVENLY RESURERCTION BODY (“Celestial”) but the REST of the NATIONS of those WHO ARE SAVED may only partake of ITS LEAVES for HEALING as they have only an EARTHLY RESURRECTION BODY (“Terrestrial”).

The NATIONS of THOSE WHO ARE SAVED some/all of whom who may NEED these LEAVES for HEALING are ONLY PARTAKING it AFTER JUDGMENT DAY FUTURE TIMELINE (and nothing mentioned about ‘secret partaking spiritually now’ which contradicts that any body still mortal/in sin CANNOT PARTAKE of EITHER the WATER of LIFE NOR the TREE OF LIFE but ONLY the FINAL SINLESS RESURRECTION BODY CAN – can you “see” it?),

[From Page 174 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]

“… 3 … Now, in the preceding book I have shown that ALL THE DISCIPLES OF THE LORD ARE LEVITES AND PRIESTS, they who used in the temple to profane the Sabbath, but are blameless. Matthew 12:5 Promises of such a nature, therefore, do indicate in the clearest manner the FEASTING of that creation in the KINGDOM OF THE RIGHTEOUS, which God promises that He will Himself serve. …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, Latest Doctor of the Church in 2022 only (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, ‘Against Heresies’, (Book 5(V), Chapter 34), Points 3-partial) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103534.htm

Comment: As per his quote above, St. Irenaeous of Lyons believes that ALL CHRISTIANS (“DISCIPLES”) are PRIESTS/LEVITES and hence participate in the FIRST RESURRECTION mentioned above (Revelation 20:4 – 7) in the KINGDOM OF THE RIGHTEOUS CONTEXT as “PRIESTS” meaning a NON-PRIEST saved among the “NATIONS of those that are SAVED” (Revelation 21:24) could be a type of NON ELECT SALVATION in comparison, right?:

“… Come, I will show you the [g]BRIDE, the LAMB’S WIFE.” 10And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and SHOWED ME THE [H]GREAT CITY, the [I]HOLY JERUSALEM, DESCENDING OUT OF HEAVEN from God, … 24And the NATIONS [N]OF THOSE WHO ARE SAVED shall walk in its light, and the KINGS OF THE EARTH bring their glory and honor [o]into it. 25Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there). 26And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into [p]it. 27But there shall by no means enter it anything [q]that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but ONLY THOSE WHO ARE WRITTEN IN THE LAMB’S BOOK OF LIFE. …” (Revelation 21:9 – 10, 24 – 27, NKJV) Source: https://biblehub.com/nkjv/revelation/21.htm

Since it is mentioned that there is NO NIGHT only in that HEAVENLY Jerusalem which connects to that FINAL New Earth (in Revelation 21:25 above), SOME of “NATIONS who are SAVED” could be in “OUTER DARKNESS” (in the REGIONS where possibly “NIGHT EXISTS”) on that FINAL NEW EARTH. Also if all CHRISTIANS are KINGS, NON-KINGS could be a class of NON ELECT SALVATION too, right? (Please see Page 176)

In regard to getting it wrong about prophecy but may be forgiven (especially if we admit we are not so sure and never quoted the “Holy Spirit told me” wrongly) because the “.. testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” …” (Revelation 19:10, NKJV)” [From Page 386 earlier of the #MyCV9Oct2023]. So, St. Justin of Rome’s quote next (known also as St. Justin Martyr) can point to some errors in prophecy like that which can be forgiven but GOD DECIDES.

St. Justin Martyr agrees that ALL CHRISTIANS are SAVED 1000 years EARLIER in the FIRST RESURERCTION but just mentions the SECOND RESURRECTION as a GENERAL RESURRECTION without saying anything further but with St. Irenaeous’ quotes earlier regarding some SAVED only on JUDGMENT DAY, these could be NON ELECT SALVATION?:

“… I am not so miserable a fellow, Trypho, as to say one thing and think another. I admitted to you formerly, that I and many others are of this opinion, and [believe] that such will take place, as you assuredly are aware; but, on the other hand, I signified to you that many who belong to the pure and pious faith, and are true Christians, think otherwise. Moreover, I pointed out to you that some who are called Christians, but are godless, impious heretics, teach doctrines that are in every way blasphemous, atheistical, and foolish. But that you may know that I do not say this before you alone, I shall draw up a statement, so far as I can, of all the arguments which have passed between us; in which I shall record myself as admitting the very same things which I admit to you. For I choose to follow not men or men’s doctrines, but God and the doctrines [delivered] by Him. For if you have fallen in with some who are called Christians, but who do not admit this [truth], and venture to blaspheme the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob; who say there is no resurrection of the dead, and that their souls, when they die, are taken to heaven; do not imagine that they are Christians, … worshipping God with the lips, as God Himself declared, but the heart was far from Him. But I and others, who are right-minded Christians on all points, are assured that there will be a resurrection of the dead, and a thousand years in Jerusalem, which will then be built, adorned, and enlarged, the prophets Ezekiel and Isaiah and others declare. For Isaiah spake thus concerning this space of a thousand years: ‘For there shall be the new heaven and the new earth, and the former shall not be remembered, or come into their heart; but they shall find joy and gladness in it, which things I create’…For as Adam was told that in the day he ate of the tree he would die, we know that he did not complete a thousand years. We have perceived, moreover, that the expression, ‘The day of the Lord is as a thousand years,’ is connected with this subject [2 Peter 3:8, Psalm 90:4]. And further, there was a certain man with us, whose name was John, one of the apostles of Christ, who prophesied, by a revelation that was made to him, THAT THOSE WHO BELIEVED IN OUR CHRIST would dwell a THOUSAND YEARS in Jerusalem [Revelation 20:4 – 10]; and that thereafter the GENERAL, and in short, the ETERNAL RESURRECTION and JUDGMENT of ALL MEN would LIKEWISE TAKE PLACE [Revelation 20:11 – 15, Matthew 25:31 – 46]. Just as our Lord also said, ‘They shall neither marry nor be given in marriage, but shall be equal to the angels, the children of the God of the resurrection. [Luke 20:35 – 36]...” – Blessed St. Justin Martyr or Blessed St. Justin of Rome or Justin of Neapolis, a Great Early Christian Apologist who is a Foremost Exponent of the Divine Word, who Influenced Virtually all of subsequent Christian philosophy and Catholic theology, Martyr for Christ, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church (c. 100AD – c. 160 AD, Dialogue with Trypho the Jew, CHAPTER LXXX to LXXXI (80 – 81)) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/01286.htm

Since St. Irenaeous of Lyons affirmed St. Justin Martyr as a faithful witness to the same Doctrine so that is WHY I try to LINK BOTH their QUOTES on the “missing parts” to “possibly” get a more accurate interpretation (I could be reading wrong though and so I am always careful not to imply it as 100% but rather as a possibility only despite all this):

“… In his book against Marcion, JUSTIN DOES WELL SAY: “I would not have believed the Lord Himself, if He had announced any other than He who is our framer, maker, and nourisher. But because the only-begotten Son came to us from the one God, who both made this world and formed us, and contains and administers all things, summing up His own handiwork in Himself, my faith towards Him is steadfast, and my love to the Father immoveable, God bestowing both upon us.” …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, Latest Doctor of the Church in 2022 only (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, ‘Against Heresies’, Book 4, Chapter 6 (VI), Point 2) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103406.htm

Before the “Literal” Happens (which is the Final New Earth and New Heavens), the “Allegorical” fulfilment in that earthly Jerusalem is stated even by St. Irenaeous in second quote above too which can be the fulfilment of the Prophecy below:

“… 7When I returned, there, along the bank of the river, were very many trees on one side and the other. 8Then he said to me: “This water flows toward the eastern region, goes down into the [b]valley, and enters the sea. When it reaches the sea, its waters are healed. 9And it shall be that every living thing that moves, wherever [c]the rivers go, will live. There will be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters go there; for they will be healed, and everything will live wherever the river goes. 10It shall be that fishermen will stand by it from En Gedi to En Eglaim; they will be places for spreading their nets. Their fish will be of the same kinds as the fish of the Great Sea, exceedingly many. 11But its swamps and marshes will not be healed; they will be given over to salt. 12Along the bank of the river, on this side and that, will grow all kinds of trees used for food; their leaves will not wither, and their fruit will not fail. They will bear fruit every month, because their water flows from the sanctuary. Their fruit will be for food, and their leaves for medicine.” …” (Ezekiel 47:7 – 12, NKJV) Source: https://biblehub.com/nkjv/ezekiel/47.htm

The answer for Context is Found in the next Chapter as both chapters Zechariah 13 and 14 speak of the ‘same IN THAT DAY” referring to Christ’s Second Coming because HIS FEET MUST TOUCH THE MOUNT OF OLIVES LITERALLY (Zechariah 14:4 compare with Acts 1:11) and so cannot refer to the 70 AD Destruction either as some scholars err in which a “remnant” shall be saved among Israelites too to be the “mortals” of the Millennial Reign (Isaiah 65:20, Revelation 20:4 – 6). Verses:

“… 1Behold, the DAY OF THE LORD IS COMING, And your [a]spoil will be divided in your midst.

2For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;

The city shall be taken,

The houses [b]rifled,

And the women ravished.

Half of the city shall go into captivity,

But the REMNANT of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3Then the Lord will go forth

And fight against those nations,

As He fights in the day of battle.

4And IN THAT DAY HIS FEET WILL STAND ON THE MOUNT OF OLIVES,

Which faces Jerusalem on the east.

And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,

From east to west,

…

8And IN THAT DAY it shall be

That LIVING WATERS shall flow from Jerusalem,

Half of them toward [e]the eastern sea

And half of them toward [f]the western sea;

In both summer and winter it shall occur.

9And the Lord shall be King over all the earth.

In that day it shall be—

“The Lord is one,”

And His name one.

…

16And it shall come to pass that everyone WHO IS LEFT of all the NATIONS which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain. …” (Zechariah 14: 1 – 4, 8 – 9, 16 – 18, NKJV)

Did you notice that the 1000 years Millennial Reign Timeline Described in Verses above clearly describe both GENTILE MORTALS and JEWISH MORTALS which HAPPENS ONLY AFTER CHRIST has LITERALLY RETURNED with HIS FEET Touching the MOUNT of OLIVES post ARMAGEDDON WAR in which HE Fights against those nations (where the TRUE GOD does NOT use ANY HUMANS to FIGHT FOR HIM but HE HIMSELF SLAYS ALONE)?

Also please notice that when HIS FEET Touches the EARTH, the EARTH begins to HEAL and that “… 8And IN THAT DAY it shall be That LIVING WATERS shall flow from Jerusalem,

…” refers to Blessed Prophet Ezekiel’s Prophecy earlier in Ezekiel 47:7 – 12.

iv. The Allegory in the Prophecy is useful to determine the way both the FINAL “Actual/Literal” Function of WATER of RIVER of LIFE and the LEAVES of TREE of LIFE for MEDICINE/HEALING CONTEXT is clear in Scripture here, please compare:

a) Tree of Life and River of Life Allegory during the Restored OLD Earth and OLD Heavens with SEA even during this 1000 years Millennial Reign Timeline

b) Actual Tree of Life and River of Life during the NEW Earth and NEW Heavens with NO SEA even AFTER THIS 1000 years Millennial Reign Timeline AFTER JUDGMENT DAY

“… 1Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was NO MORE SEA. ” … 1And he showed me a [a]pure RIVER of WATER OF LIFE, clear as crystal, proceeding from the THRONE of GOD and of the LAMB. 2In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the TREE OF LIFE, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The LEAVES OF THE TREE WERE FOR THE HEALING OF THE NATIONS. 3And there shall be NO MORE CURSE, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him. 4They shall see His face, and His name shall be on their foreheads. 5There shall be NO NIGHT there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever. … And the SPIRIT and the BRIDE say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And LET HIM WHO THIRSTS COME. Whoever desires, let him TAKE THE WATER OF LIFE FREELY.. …” – Blessed Apostle St. John (Revelation 21:1, 22:1 – 5, 17, NKJV)

Allegory vs Literal

[Some Prophecies are to be fulfilled across Two Different Timelines. Confusion begins when some scholars try to merge the two into the same timeline which is most likely wrong in light of even St. Justin Martyr and St. Irenaeous of Lyon’s quotes earlier because “… NO PROPHECY of SCRIPTURE is of ANY PRIVATE INTERPRETATION, …” (2 Peter 1:20)]

Ezekiel Prophecy on OLD Earth with SEA

Revelation Prophecy on NEW EARTH with NO MORE SEA

6) First Christianity Quote regarding “POSSIBLE” UNIVERSALISM regarding “TREE of LIFE”

[From around Page 2085 of this #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]

“… 6. Wherefore also He drove him out of Paradise, and removed him far from the TREE OF LIFE, NOT because He envied him the TREE OF LIFE, as some venture to assert, but because He pitied him, [and did not desire] that he should CONTINUE a SINNER FOR EVER, NOR that the SIN which SURROUNDED him should be IMMORTAL, and EVIL INTERMINABLE and IRREMEDIABLE. But He set a bound to his [state of] sin, by interposing death, and thus causing sin to cease, Romans 6:7 putting an end to it by the dissolution of the flesh, which should take place in the earth, so that man, ceasing at length to live to sin, and dying to it, might begin to live to God. …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, ‘Against Heresies’, Point 6, Chapter 23 XXIII, Book 3)Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103323.htm

[Emphasis Mine in brackets for Focus]

Additional Comments:

1. Notice that the TREE OF LIFE exists both in the Current Heavens and the New Heavens but IT CANNOT be PARTAKEN by ANYONE before THEIR FINAL RESURRECTION BODIES

2. The TREE of LIFE CANNOT be CHRIST because CHRIST HIMSELF INVITES to EAT of IT, highlighted Verses for this:

“… He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the CHURCHES. To him who overcomes I WILL GIVE TO EAT from the TREE OF LIFE, which is in the midst of the Paradise of God. …” (Revelation 2:7, NKJV)

“… 12“And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to GIVE TO EVERY ONE ACCORDING TO HIS WORK. 13I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.” 14BLESSED are those WHO DO HIS COMMANDMENTS, that they may have the RIGHT to THE TREE OF LIFE, and may ENTER through the GATES INTO THE CITY. 15But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie. 16“I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star. …” (Revelation 22:12 – 16, NKJV)

3. Similarly the WATER of LIFE CANNOT be CHRIST because CHRIST HIMSELF INVITES SOME OTHER THAN THE BRIDE to DRINK of IT at THAT FUTURE TIME AFTER JUDGMENT DAY, highlighted Verses for this:

“… And the SPIRIT and the BRIDE say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And LET HIM WHO THIRSTS COME. Whoever desires, let him TAKE THE WATER OF LIFE FREELY. …” – Blessed Apostle St. John (Revelation 22:17, NKJV)

Where possibly:

The Spirit = God

The Bride = Christians (those with Elect Salvation)

“who thirsts” = those with non-Elect Salvation Possibility?

iv) The “Overcomers” Vs the “Thirsty” ones Vs the “Damned“

“… I will give of the fountain of the WATER OF LIFE FREELY TO HIM WHO THIRSTS. …” (Revelation 21:6, NKJV)

Let’s see this related Verse in full:

Possibility:

“… JESUS SAID TO HIM, “Thomas, because you have SEEN ME, YOU HAVE BELIEVED. BLESSED ARE THOSE who have NOT SEEN and YET HAVE BELIEVED.” …” (John 20:29, NKJV)

“… 1And he showed me a [a]pure RIVER of WATER OF LIFE, clear as crystal, proceeding from the THRONE of GOD and of the LAMB. 2In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the TREE OF LIFE, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The LEAVES OF THE TREE WERE FOR THE HEALING OF THE NATIONS. 3And there shall be NO MORE CURSE, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him. 4They shall see His face, and His name shall be on their foreheads. 5There shall be NO NIGHT there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever. … And the SPIRIT and the BRIDE say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And LET HIM WHO THIRSTS COME. Whoever desires, let him TAKE THE WATER OF LIFE FREELY.. …” – Blessed Apostle St. John (Revelation 22:1 – 5, 17, NKJV)

In light of all these Verses and First Christianity Quotes (more details especially in Pages 2055 to 2091 which discusses this aspect in detail), please allow me to repeat the POSSIBILITY which I THINK may be most likely (I could still be WRONG but Let GOD DECIDE) from Page 2074 earlier:

POSSIBILITY Summary

Non-Elect Salvation means they can be saved probably on at most the Final New Earth (i.e. the phrase “nations of those who are saved” where some/all of them may need the “leaves of the tree of life for healing”) but NO Heaven Inheritance (which is ONLY for Elect Salvation, the “Heavenly Bride/Christians“) but “some” from that FINAL NEW EARTH may “VISIT the BRIDE” for example the “KINGS OF THE EARTH” with CONDITION their NAMES MUST be in the LAMB’S BOOK OF LIFE as these are clearly distinguished in Verses below and so it is POSSIBLE (let GOD DECIDE):

“… But THE REST OF THE DEAD DID NOT LIVE AGAIN until the THOUSAND YEARS WERE FINISHED. This is the first resurrection. … 11Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before [c]God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second [d]death. 15And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. …”1Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was NO MORE SEA. ” … Come, I will show you the [g]BRIDE, the LAMB’S WIFE.” 10And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and SHOWED ME THE [H]GREAT CITY, the [I]HOLY JERUSALEM, DESCENDING OUT OF HEAVEN from God, … 24And the NATIONS [N]OF THOSE WHO ARE SAVED shall walk in its light, and the KINGS OF THE EARTH bring their glory and honor [o]into it. 25Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there). 26And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into [p]it. 27But there shall by no means enter it anything [q]that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but ONLY THOSE WHO ARE WRITTEN IN THE LAMB’S BOOK OF LIFE. …” … In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the TREE OF LIFE, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The LEAVES OF THE TREE WERE FOR THE HEALING OF THE NATIONS. …” (Revelation 20:5, 11 – 15, 21:1, 9 – 10, 24 – 27, 22:2, NKJV)

or they could be among these whom the BRIDE calls to ON THAT FUTURE TIMELINE AFTER the LITERAL WATER of LIFE is REVEALED (because no matter if this water is physical or spiritual it is ONLY Revealed AFTER JUDGMENT DAY since NO ONE CAN PARTAKE of it UNTIL they are in their FINAL RESURRECTION BODY – can you “see” it? Also it is ONLY Created on the FINAL NEW EARTH and HEAVENS and NOT during the CURRENT NEW EARTH and HEAVEN which will pass away on Judgment Day during the Second Resurrection as Revelation 21:1 indicates clearly too when the saints Reign with Him there). Here are those ‘highlighted parts’ in TIMELINE ORDER as IT IS WRITTEN (as per the CHILIASM TIMELINE Reading Employed for it “Literally” despite if it is a “material Water of life” or “Spiritual Water of life” this Context of “Time” seems to remain the “same”, can you see it?):

…”1Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was NO MORE SEA.. ” … Come, I will show you the [g]BRIDE, the LAMB’S WIFE.” 10And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and SHOWED ME THE [H]GREAT CITY, the [I]HOLY JERUSALEM, DESCENDING OUT OF HEAVEN from God, … … 24And the NATIONS [N]OF THOSE WHO ARE SAVED shall walk in its light, and the KINGS OF THE EARTH bring their glory and honor [o]into it. 25Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there). 26And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into [p]it. 27But there shall by no means enter it anything [q]that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but ONLY THOSE WHO ARE WRITTEN IN THE LAMB’S BOOK OF LIFE.. … 1And he showed me a [a]pure RIVER of WATER OF LIFE, clear as crystal, proceeding from the THRONE of GOD and of the LAMB. 2In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the TREE OF LIFE, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The LEAVES OF THE TREE WERE FOR THE HEALING OF THE NATIONS. 3And there shall be NO MORE CURSE, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him. 4They shall see His face, and His name shall be on their foreheads. 5There shall be NO NIGHT there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever. … And the SPIRIT and the BRIDE say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And LET HIM WHO THIRSTS COME. Whoever desires, let him TAKE THE WATER OF LIFE FREELY. …” – Blessed Apostle St. John (Revelation 21:1, 9 – 10, 24 – 27, Revelation 22:1 – 5, 17, NKJV)

I cannot say which is which 100% for sure and so LET GOD DECIDE ONE DAY.

2.14 St. Irenaeus & St. Justin’s strange quote on the unbelieving

Did St. Ireneaous of Lyons POSSIBLY believe that some of the unbelieving may get a temporal punishment instead of an Eternal Hell by His Mercy on whomever He Wills which may point to those unbelievers who accept some words of Christ and do His Commands?

St. Irenaeous of Lyons’ Mysterious Quote for “WRATH of GOD” and ETERNAL HELL Context

“… 1. Inasmuch, then, as in both Testaments there is the same righteousness of God [displayed] when God takes vengeance, in the one case indeed typically, temporarily, and more moderately; but in the other, really, enduringly, and more rigidly: for the fire is eternal, and the wrath of God which shall be revealed from heaven from the face of our Lord (as David also says, But the face of the Lord is against them that do evil, to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth ), entails a heavier punishment on those who incur it — the elders pointed out that those men are devoid of sense, who, [arguing] from what happened to those who formerly did not obey God, do endeavour to bring in another Father, setting over against [these punishments] what great things the Lord had done at His coming to save those who received Him, taking compassion upon them; while they keep silence with regard to His judgment; and all those things which shall come upon such as have heard His words, but done them not, and that it were better for them if they had not been born, Matthew 26:24 and that it shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the judgment than for that city which did not receive the word of His disciples. Matthew 10:15

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2. For as, in the New Testament, that faith of men [to be placed] in God has been increased, receiving in addition [to what was already revealed] the Son of God, that man too might be a partaker of God; so is also our walk in life required to be more circumspect, when we are directed not merely to abstain from evil actions, but even from evil thoughts, and from idle words, and empty talk, and scurrilous language: thus also the punishment of those who do not believe the Word of God, and despise His advent, and are turned away backwards, is increased; being not merely temporal, but rendered also eternal. For to whomsoever the Lord shall say, Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, Matthew 25:41 these shall be damned for ever; and to whomsoever He shall say, Come, you blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you for eternity, Matthew 25:34 these do receive the kingdom for ever, and make constant advance in it; since there is one and the same God the Father, and His Word, who has been always present with the human race, by means indeed of various dispensations, and has wrought out many things, and saved from the beginning those who are saved, (for these are they who love God, and follow the Word of God according to the class to which they belong,) and has judged those who are judged, that is, those who forget God, and are blasphemous, and transgressors of His word.

3. For the self-same heretics already mentioned by us have fallen away from themselves, by accusing the Lord, in whom they say that they believe. For those points to which they call attention with regard to the God who then awarded temporal punishments to the unbelieving, and smote the Egyptians, while He saved those that were obedient; these same [facts, I say,] shall nevertheless repeat themselves in the Lord, who judges for eternity those whom He does judge, and lets go free for eternity those whom He does let go free: and He shall [thus] be discovered, according to the language used by these men, as having been the cause of their most heinous sin to those who laid hands upon Him, and pierced Him. For if He had not so come, it follows that these men could not have become the slayers of their Lord; and if He had not sent prophets to them, they certainly could not have killed them, nor the apostles either. To those, therefore, who assail us, and say, If the Egyptians had not been afflicted with plagues, and, when pursuing after Israel, been choked in the sea, God could not have saved His people, this answer may be given — Unless, then, the Jews had become the slayers of the Lord (which did, indeed, take eternal life away from them), and, by killing the apostles and persecuting the Church, had fallen into an abyss of wrath, we could not have been saved. For as they were saved by means of the blindness of the Egyptians, so are we, too, by that of the Jews; if, indeed, the death of the Lord is the condemnation of those who fastened Him to the cross, and who did not believe His advent, but the salvation of those who believe in Him. For the apostle does also say in the Second [Epistle] to the Corinthians: For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them which are saved, and in them which perish: to the one indeed the savour of death unto death, but to the other the savour of life unto life. 2 Corinthians 2:15-16 To whom, then, is there the savour of death unto death, unless to those who believe not neither are subject to the Word of God? And who are they that did even then give themselves over to death? Those men, doubtless, who do not believe, nor submit themselves to God. And again, who are they that have been saved and received the inheritance? Those, doubtless, who do believe God, and who have continued in His love; as did Caleb [the son] of Jephunneh and Joshua [the son] of Nun, Numbers 14:30 and innocent children, who have had no sense of evil. But who are they that are saved now, and receive life eternal? Is it not those who love God, and who believe His promises, and who in malice have become as little children? 1 Corinthians 14:20

…” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, ‘Against Heresies’, (Book 4(IV), Chapter 28), Points 1 – 4 all)

Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103428.htm

Comments [highlights from the quote above for emphasis on possibilities]:

1) St. Irenaeous of Lyons seems to see that there are two types of Wrath of God in the Context of Final Judgment namely, temporal vs eternal and it applies to BOTH Old Testament and New Testament JUDGMENT Context:

2) Further POSSIBILITIES NOT DOCTRINE as I am not sure

i) St. Irenaeous of Lyons seems to quote this temporal vs eternal Wrath of God context in the case of Sodom too meaning some could be saved after this temporal wrath of God on Judgment Day? (If God Wills it)

ii) St. Irenaeous of Lyons seems to clarify that the ETERNAL WRATH of GOD only abides on those who HATE CHRISTIANS and CHRIST and PERSECUTE them (meaning in contrast, since the context at the start is TEMPORAL WRATH on SOME UNBELIEVERS is POSSIBLE, perhaps these are NOT HOSTILE toward CHRISTIAN/CHRIST but don’t fully believe either & could follow SOME of HIS WORD/COMMANDS?)

“… Unless, then, the Jews had become the slayers of the Lord (which did, indeed, take eternal life away from them), and, by killing the apostles and persecuting the Church, had fallen into an abyss of wrath, we could not have been saved …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons

Compare: This perspective agrees with Matthew 25:31 – 46’s CHARITY DOCTRINE done toward CHRISTIANS [From Page 49 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]

“… ‘Assuredly, I SAY TO YOU [Non Elect Salvation], INASMUCH AS YOU [Non Elect Salvation], DID IT TO ONE OF THE LEAST OF THESE MY BRETHREN [Elect Salvation], YOU [Non Elect Salvation], DID IT TO ME.’ …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 25:40, NKJV) …”

So since we cannot force anyone to believe, for those who do not become Christians, we encourage them strongly to DO THE CHARITY DOCTRINE especially TOWARD CHRISTIANS so that in the Worst Case Scenario at least they can appeal to GOD’S MERCY based on these VERSES on JUDGMENT DAY to do a RESPONSIBLE PREACHING.

Difficult but POSSIBLE, right? Here those Bible Verses:

“… 37“Then the RIGHTEOUS WILL ANSWER Him, saying, ‘Lord, When Did We See You Hungry And Feed YOU, or THIRSTY AND GIVE YOU DRINK? 38WHEN DID WE SEE YOU A STRANGER and TAKE YOU IN, OR NAKED AND CLOTHE YOU? 39Or WHEN DID WE SEE YOU SICK, OR in PRISON, AND COME TO YOU?’ 40And THE KING WILL ANSWER and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I SAY TO YOU, INASMUCH AS YOU DID IT TO ONE OF THE LEAST OF THESE MY BRETHREN, YOU DID IT TO ME.’ … 46And these will go away into EVERLASTING PUNISHMENT, but the righteous into ETERNAL LIFE.” …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 25:37 – 40, 46, NKJV)

ii) St. Irenaeous of Lyons seems to quote Matthew 25:31 – 46 Judgment Day Context at the end of the 1000 years in CHILIASM Timeline as referring to the “Second Resurrection” (Revelation 20:11 – 15) where he seems to imply SOME are SAVED ONLY at this time which is 1000 years after the ELECT SALVATION (and we saw in earlier chapters that CHRISTIANS have changed into ANGELIC form at this time, right? I mean these SAVED as HUMANS also seem NOT to know the Lord fully as they ask “… When did we see you Lord, etc. …” so I conjecture that these could be some of the ones HIS TEMPORAL WRATH may apply causing them to be saved in the end according to the class to which they belong?

“… thus also the punishment of those who do not believe the Word of God, and despise His advent, and are turned away backwards, is increased; being not merely temporal, but rendered also eternal. For to whomsoever the Lord shall say, Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, Matthew 25:41 these shall be damned for ever; and to whomsoever He shall say, Come, you blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you for eternity, Matthew 25:34 these do receive the kingdom for ever, and make constant advance in it; since there is one and the same God the Father, and His Word, who has been always present with the human race, by means indeed of various dispensations, and has wrought out many things, and saved from the beginning those who are saved, (for these are they who love God, and follow the Word of God according to the class to which they belong,) …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons

3) Since St. Irenaeous of Lyons quotes Matthew 25:31 – 46’s excerpt in the above which refers to “sheep” saved on Judgment Day (possibly of the “other fold”) and also mentioned the “temporal” Wrath of God in Final Judgment Context on some at the start (temporal can mean these are “saved” after the punishment, right?), so could these “lost sheep” which seemed to be saved ONLY after they endure JUDGMENT for DISOBEDIENCE first refer to “THIS CLASS which THEY BELONG”? [From Page 60 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]

“… 3. … Isaiah 7:13 Wherefore also the Lord Himself gave us a sign, in the depth below, and in the height above, which man did not ask for, because he never expected that a virgin could conceive, or that it was possible that one remaining a virgin could bring forth a son, and that what was thus born should be God with us, and descend to those things which are of the earth beneath, seeking the sheep which had perished, which was indeed His own peculiar handiwork, and ascend to the height above, offering and commending to His Father that human nature (hominem) which had been found, making in His own person the first-fruits of the resurrection of man; that, as the Head rose from the dead, so also the remaining part of the body — [namely, the body] of everyman who is found in life — when the time is fulfilled of that condemnation which existed by reason of disobedience, may arise, blended together and strengthened through means of joints and bands Ephesians 4:16 by the increase of God, each of the members having its own proper and fit position in the body. For there are many mansions in the Father’s house, John 14:2 inasmuch as there are also many members in the body. …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, ‘Against Heresies’, (Book III, Chapter 19, Point 3-partial)) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103319.htm

4) Notice that the problem with the heretics is that they seem to quote that “all” the unbelieving will only undergo temporal punishments while St. Irenaeous in contrast agrees that only “some” of the unbelieving will only undergo temporal punishments as his phrase below proving this part is “… they call attention with regard to the God who then awarded temporal punishments to the unbelieving … these same [facts, I say,] shall nevertheless repeat themselves in the Lord, who judges for eternity …” while the “rest” will undergo eternal punishments and in his quotes thereafter, it’s pretty clear that he focuses on those unbelieving who undergo eternal punishments (whom these heretics deny) as solely referring to those who were hostile to Christ and Christians [where in comparison I infer that those unbelieving non-Christians who are not hostile to Christ nor Christians could be the ones who may undergo temporal punishments, possible, right? Let God Decide]

“… 3. For the self-same heretics already mentioned by us have fallen away from themselves, by accusing the Lord, in whom they say that they believe. For those points to which they call attention with regard to the God who then awarded temporal punishments to the unbelieving, and smote the Egyptians, while He saved those that were obedient; these same [facts, I say,] shall nevertheless repeat themselves in the Lord, who judges for eternity those whom He does judge, and lets go free for eternity those whom He does let go free …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons

Notice also that the EGYPTIANS were the example of UNBELIEVERS being the recipients of the ETERNAL WRATH of GOD while the TEMPORAL WRATH of GOD toward UNBELIEVERS here (not written but implied by usage) seems to be those UNBELIEVING JEWS who DID NOT ENTER into the PROMISED LAND (as they wandered 40 years in the wilderness) and only with Blessed Joshua that generation could enter which also makes our NON ELECT SALVATION CLAIM STRONG because compare (if I’m reading St. Irenaeous right):

i. EGYPTIANS were the example of UNBELIEVERS being the recipients of the ETERNAL WRATH of GOD

“… If the Egyptians had not been afflicted with plagues, and, when pursuing after Israel, been choked in the sea, God could not have saved His people, this answer may be given — Unless, then, the Jews had become the slayers of the Lord (which did, indeed, take eternal life away from them), and, by killing the apostles and persecuting the Church, had fallen into an abyss of wrath, we could not have been saved. For as they were saved by means of the blindness of the Egyptians, so are we, too, by that of the Jews; …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons

ii. TEMPORAL WRATH of GOD toward UNBELIEVERS here (not written but implied by usage) seems to be those UNBELIEVING JEWS who DID NOT ENTER into the PROMISED LAND due to NOT having FAITH on EARTH but could be eliigible for NON ELECT SALVATION

“… 3. … For those points to which they call attention with regard to the God who then awarded temporal punishments to the unbelieving, and smote the Egyptians, while He saved those that were obedient; these same [facts, I say,] shall nevertheless repeat themselves in the Lord, who judges for eternity those whom He does judge, and lets go free for eternity those whom He does let go free …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons

“… 2For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, [a]not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. 3For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: “So I swore in My wrath, ‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ” 6Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience …” (Hebrews 4:2 – 3,6, NKJV)

We know that St. Irenaeous’ CHILIASM Context points to THIS REST being the FIRST RESURRECTION ELECT SALVATION only which CERTAINLY cannot belong to the case for “… temporal punishments to the unbelieving …” which St. Ireneaous affirmed earlier because it requires FAITH type of believing without seeing and hence seems like such are saved only during the Second Resurrection and as a POSSIBLE NON ELECT SALVATION only, right? (or am I reading him wrong?)

“… “…4 … But when this Antichrist shall have devastated all things in this world, he will reign for three years and six months, and sit in the temple at Jerusalem; and then the Lord will come from heaven in the clouds, in the glory of the Father, sending this man and those who follow him into the lake of fire; but bringing in for the righteous the times of the kingdom, that is, the rest, the hallowed seventh day; and restoring to Abraham the promised inheritance, in which kingdom the Lord declared, that “many coming from the east and from the west should sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.” Matthew 8:11 …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, , ‘Against Heresies’, Against Heresies (Book 5 (V), Chapter 30), Points 1 to 4, all))

Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103530.htm

Notice this phrase “…and lets go free for eternity those whom He does let go free …” by St. Irenaeous’ below which seems to fit more for this context (or case) “… temporal punishments to the unbelieving …” implying POSSIBLE NON ELECT SALVATION instead of being applied to THOSE of FAITH (who are already His Bride for 1000 years by now in CHILIASM Timeline) and so being LET GO FREE sounds more LOWER than rewarded for FAITH, right?

Compare:

i. Possible NON ELECT SALVATION quote here

“… 3. … For those points to which they call attention with regard to the God who then awarded temporal punishments to the unbelieving…these same [facts, I say,] shall nevertheless repeat themselves in the Lord, who judges for eternity those whom He does judge, and lets go free for eternity those whom He does let go free …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons

ii. ELECT SALVATION quote here

“… And again, who are they that have been saved and received the inheritance? Those, doubtless, who do believe God, and who have continued in His love; as did Caleb [the son] of Jephunneh and Joshua [the son] of Nun, Numbers 14:30 and innocent children, who have had no sense of evil. But who are they that are saved now, and receive life eternal? Is it not those who love God, and who believe His promises, and who in malice have become as little children? 1 Corinthians 14:20 …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons

Please notice this phrase “… . But who are they that are saved now, and receive life eternal? …” which seems to imply ELECT SALVATION of FAITH for those saved on earth now (especially the WORD “NOW”) which seems to stand in contrast toward those LET GO on JUDGMENT DAY which seems to be NON ELECT SALVATION in his quote earlier “… they call attention with regard to the God who then awarded temporal punishments to the unbelieving…these same [facts, I say,] shall nevertheless repeat themselves in the Lord, … and lets go free for eternity those whom He does let go free …” in comparison, right? Difficult and so LET GOD DECIDE.

iii. Also please notice that these ones who are LET GO on JUDGMENT DAY CHILIASM TIMELINE (Matthew 25 quoted by St. Irenaeous of Lyons here) seems more likely NOT CHRISTIANS and some TYPE OF NON ELECT SALVATION because they are JUST SAVED on JUDGMENT DAY while CHRISTIANS are already SAVED 1000 years earlier, right? Again, Difficult and so LET GOD DECIDE.

“… and to whomsoever He shall say, Come, you blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you for eternity, Matthew 25:34 these do receive the kingdom for ever, and make constant advance in it; since there is one and the same God the Father, and His Word, who has been always present with the human race, by means indeed of various dispensations, and has wrought out many things, and saved from the beginning those who are saved, (for these are they who love God, and follow the Word of God according to the class to which they belong,) … they call attention with regard to the God who then awarded temporal punishments to the unbelieving…these same [facts, I say,] shall nevertheless repeat themselves in the Lord, … and lets go free for eternity those whom He does let go free …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons

Please compare with another St. Irenaeous’ own quote below which can mean this likewise [to quote from Page 2338 to 2339 of this #SafeRouteScripturallyBook with source and more related details there] where St. Irenaeous quote seems to point to GOD’s JUDGMENT for UNBELIEF ONLY after the BELIEVING AFTER SEEING POSSIBILITY as per his quotes earlier highlighted as follows:

iv. Non Elect Salvation (Believing after seeing) Possibility Quotes by St. Irenaeous

“… 5. And for this purpose did the Father reveal the Son, that through His instrumentality He might be manifested to all, and might receive those righteous ones who believe in Him into incorruption and everlasting enjoyment (now, to believe in Him is to do His will); but He shall righteously shut out into the darkness which they have chosen for themselves, those who do not believe, and who do consequently avoid His light. The Father therefore has revealed Himself to all, by making His Word visible to all; and, conversely, the Word has declared to all the Father and the Son, since He has become visible to all. And therefore the righteous judgment of God [shall fall] upon all who, like others, have seen, but have not, like others, believed.

6. For by means of the creation itself, the Word reveals God the Creator; and by means of the world [does He declare] the Lord the Maker of the world; and by means of the formation [of man] the Artificer who formed him; and by the Son that Father who begat the Son: and these things do indeed address all men in the same manner, but all do not in the same way believe them. But by the law and the prophets did the Word preach both Himself and the Father alike [to all]; and all the people heard Him alike, but all did not alike believe. And through the Word Himself who had been made visible and palpable, was the Father shown forth, although all did not equally believe in Him; but all saw the Father in the Son: for the Father is the invisible of the Son, but the Son the visible of the Father. And for this reason all spake with Christ when He was present [upon earth], and they named Him God. Yea, even the demons exclaimed, on beholding the Son: “We know Thee who Thou art, the Holy One of God.” And the devil looking at Him, and tempting Him, said: “If Thou art the Son of God; ” –all thus indeed seeing and speaking of the Son and the Father, but all not believing [in them].

7. For it was fitting that the truth should receive testimony from all, and should become [a means of] judgment for the salvation indeed of those who believe, but for the condemnation of those who believe not; that all should be fairly judged, and that the faith in the Father and Son should be approved by all, that is, that it should be established by all [as the one means of salvation], receiving testimony from all, both from those belonging to it, since they are its friends, and by those having no connection with it, though they are its enemies. … For the Son is the knowledge of the Father; but the knowledge of the Son is in the Father, and has been revealed through the Son; and this was the reason why the Lord declared: “No man knoweth the Son, but the Father; nor the Father, save the Son, and those to whomsoever the Son shall reveal [Him].” For “shall reveal” was said not with reference to the future alone, as if then [only] the Word had begun to manifest the Father when He was born of Mary, but it applies indifferently throughout all time. For the Son, being present with His own handiwork from the beginning, reveals the Father to all; to whom He wills, and when He wills, and as the Father wills. Wherefore, then, in all things, and through all things, there is one God, the Father, and one Word, and one Son, and one Spirit, and one salvation to all who believe in Him. …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, Against Heresies (Book IV, Chapter 6)) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103406.htm

St. Irenaeous quote above seems to point to GOD’s JUDGMENT for UNBELIEF ONLY after the BELIEVING AFTER SEEING POSSIBILITY as per his quotes earlier highlighted as follows:

“… by making His Word visible to all; and, conversely, the Word has declared to all the Father and the Son, since He has become visible to all. ” = THE WORD refers to VISIBLE MANIFESTATION (so as IN FLESH) so the SON (with whom the FATHER is also known)

“… And therefore the righteous judgment of God [shall fall] upon all who, like others, have seen, but have not, like others, believed. …” = CONDEMNATION only seems to be pointed if all get the equal chance as per the literal “believing after seeing chance” of CHRIST VISIBLY as the quote here seems to refer to Bible Verses below (as “others” who rejected that TYPE of SEEING CHRIST in FLESH but STILL NOT BELIEVING were the “JEWS”):

“… 35And JESUS said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall NEVER THIRST. 36But I said to you that YOU HAVE SEEN ME and YET DO NOT BELIEVE. 37All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will [f]by no means cast out. 38For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39This is the WILL OF THE FATHER who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should RAISE IT UP at the LAST DAY. 40And this is THE WILL OF HIM who sent Me, that EVERYONE WHO SEES THE SON AND BELIEVES IN HIM MAY HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE; and I will RAISE HIM UP at the LAST DAY.” …” (John 6:35 – 40, NKJV)

Yes, believing after Seeing Context in St. Irenaeous continuing words earlier seem to point to this POSSIBILITY (Difficult to ascertain either way, right?) especially in light of Verses above to which he is most likely referring to, highlight below:

“… and by the Son that Father who begat the Son: and these things do indeed address all men in the same manner, but all do not in the same way believe them. But by the law and the prophets did the Word preach both Himself and the Father alike [to all]; and all the people heard Him alike, but all did not alike believe. And through the Word Himself who had been made visible and palpable, was the Father shown forth, although all did not equally believe in Him; but all saw the Father in the Son: for the Father is the invisible of the Son, but the Son the visible of the Father. And for this reason all spake with Christ when He was present [upon earth], and they named Him God. Yea, even the demons exclaimed, on beholding the Son: “We know Thee who Thou art, the Holy One of God.” And the devil looking at Him, and tempting Him, said: “If Thou art the Son of God; ” –all thus indeed seeing and speaking of the Son and the Father, but all not believing [in them].

…” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons

Yes, believing after Seeing Context in St. Irenaeous continuing words earlier seem to point to this POSSIBILITY (Difficult to ascertain either way, right?)

v. St. Irenaeous of Lyons also seems to quote Romans 2 & Luke 12:46 – 48 to refer to JUDGMENT DAY SECOND RESURRECTION (“General Resurrection”, LAST TRUMPET) Context where he only mentions ETERNAL LIFE given to those with SOME FRUIT of DOING GOOD (not a word about “faith” mentioned probably because TIME for FAITH is only ELECT SALVATION during FIRST RESURRECTION which is over by 1000 years!) making this a SECOND BADGE of RIGHTEOUS SAVED by HIS MERCY (if God Wills it on JUDGMENT DAY) only as part of the NATIONS of those who ARE SAVED as humans on the FINAL NEW EARTH (Revelation 21:24) or the THIRSTY too whom EVEN the BRIDE calls to DRINK of the WATER of LIFE after LAKE of FIRE results have been revealed even (Revelation 21:6, Revelation 22:17) for a NON ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY.

Here are those Bible Verses and his quotes again for comparison:

i) Romans 2 & Luke 12:46 – 48 quote from the Bible and St. Irenaeous of Lyons’ Quote

“… 6who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: 7 ETERNAL LIFE to those who by PATIENT CONTINUANCE IN DOING GOOD SEEK FOR GLORY, HONOR and IMMORTALITY; … 10but glory, honor, and peace to EVERYONE WHO WORKS WHAT IS GOOD, TO THE JEW FIRST AND ALSO TO THE GREEK [Gentiles]. 11For there is NO PARTIALITY WITH GOD. …12 and as many as have SINNED IN THE LAW WILL BE JUDGED BY THE LAW 13(for NOT THE HEARERS OF THE LAW ARE JUST IN THE SIGHT OF GOD, BUT THE DOERS OF THE LAW WILL BE JUSTIFIED …” (Romans 2:6, 7, 10, 11,12, 13 NKJV)

“… 45But IF THAT SERVANT SAYS in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’ and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and be drunk, 46the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and WILL CUT HIM IN TWO AND APPOINT HIM HIS PORTION WITH THE UNBELIEVERS. 47And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone TO WHOM MUCH IS GIVEN, FROM HIM MUCH WILL BE REQUIRED; and TO WHOM MUCH HAS BEEN COMMITTED, OF HIM THEY WILL ASK THE MORE. …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 12:45 – 48, NKJV)

“… 1. This expression [of our Lord], How often would I have gathered your children together, and you would not, Matthew 23:37 set forth the ancient law of human liberty, because God made man a free [agent] from the beginning, possessing his own power, even as he does his own soul, to obey the behests (ad utendum sententia) of God voluntarily, and not by compulsion of God. For there is no coercion with God, but a good will [towards us] is present with Him continually. And therefore does He give good counsel to all. And in man, as well as in angels, He has placed the power of choice (for angels are rational beings), so that those who had yielded obedience might justly possess what is good, given indeed by God, but preserved by themselves. On the other hand, they who have not obeyed shall, with justice, be not found in possession of the good, and shall receive condign punishment: for God did kindly bestow on them what was good; but they themselves did not diligently keep it, nor deem it something precious, but poured contempt upon His super-eminent goodness. Rejecting therefore the good, and as it were spuing it out, they shall all deservedly incur the just judgment of God, which also the Apostle Paul testifies in his Epistle to the Romans, where he says, But do you despise the riches of His goodness, and patience, and long-suffering, being ignorant that the goodness of God leads you to repentance? But according to your hardness and impenitent heart, you store to yourself wrath against the day of wrath, and the revelation of the righteous judgment of God. But glory and honour, he says, to every one that does good. God therefore has given that which is good, as the apostle tells us in this Epistle, and they who work it shall receive glory and honour, because they have done that which is good when they had it in their power not to do it; but those who do it not shall receive the just judgment of God, because they did not work good when they had it in their power so to do. … 3. For this reason the Lord also said, Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good deeds, and glorify your Father who is in heaven. Matthew 5:16 And, Take heed to yourselves, lest perchance your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and worldly cares. Luke 21:34 And, Let your loins be girded about, and your lamps burning, and you like men that wait for their Lord, when He returns from the wedding, that when He comes and knocks, they may open to Him. Blessed is that servant whom his Lord, when He comes, shall find so doing. Luke 12:35-36 And again, The servant who knows his Lord’s will, and does it not, shall be beaten with many stripes. Luke 12:47 And, Why call me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Luke 6:46 And again, But if the servant say in his heart, The Lord delays, and begin to beat his fellow-servants, and to eat, and drink, and to be drunken, his Lord will come in a day on which he does not expect Him, and shall cut him in sunder, and appoint his portion with the hypocrites. Luke 12:45-46; Matthew 24:48-51 All such passages demonstrate the independent will of man, and at the same time the counsel which God conveys to him, by which He exhorts us to submit ourselves to Him, and seeks to turn us away from [the sin of] unbelief against Him, without, however, in any way coercing us. …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, ‘Against Heresies’, (Book 4(IV), Chapter 37), Point 1, 3)

Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103437.htm

“… And in the Apocalypse John saw this new [Jerusalem] descending upon the new earth. For AFTER the TIMES of the KINGDOM, he says, “I saw a Great White Throne, and Him who sat upon it, from whose face the earth fled away, and the heavens; and there was no more place for them.” [Revelation 20:11] And he sets forth, too, the things connected with the GENERAL RESURRECTION and the judgment, mentioning “the dead, great and small.” “The sea,” he says, “gave up the dead which it had in it, and death and hell [Hades] delivered up the dead that they contained; and the books were opened. Moreover,” he says, “the book of life was opened, and the dead were judged out of those things that were written in the books, ACCORDING to THEIR WORKS; and Death and hell [Hades] were sent into the LAKE of FIRE, the SECOND DEATH.” [Revelation 20:11 – 15] Now this is what is called GEHENNA [Matthew 10:28], which the Lord styled eternal fire [Matthew 25:31 – 46]. “And if any one,” it is said, “was not found written in the book of life, he was sent into the LAKE of FIRE. [Revelation 20:15, Revelation 21:8] … ” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, Against Heresies, Book 5, Chapter 35:2)

Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103535.htm

[From Page 175 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]

“… And further, there was a certain man with us, whose name was John, one of the apostles of Christ, who prophesied, by a revelation that was made to him, THAT THOSE WHO BELIEVED IN OUR CHRIST would dwell a THOUSAND YEARS in Jerusalem [Revelation 20:4 – 10]; and that thereafter the GENERAL, and in short, the ETERNAL RESURRECTION and JUDGMENT of ALL MEN would LIKEWISE TAKE PLACE [Revelation 20:11 – 15, Matthew 25:31 – 46]. Just as our Lord also said, ‘They shall neither marry nor be given in marriage, but shall be equal to the angels, the children of the God of the resurrection. [Luke 20:35 – 36]...” – Blessed St. Justin Martyr, a Great Early Christian Apologist who is a Foremost Exponent of the Divine Word, who Influenced Virtually all of subsequent Christian philosophy and Catholic theology, Martyr for Christ, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church (c. 100AD – c. 160 AD, Dialogue with Trypho the Jew, CHAPTER LXXX to LXXXI (80 – 81))

Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/01286.htm

ii) 1 Corinthians 15’s LAST Trumpet & John 5 Quote from the Bible and St. Irenaeous of Lyons’ Quote

“… But these are inherited by the Spirit when they are translated into the kingdom of heaven. For this cause, too, did Christ die, that the Gospel covenant being manifested and known to the whole world, might in the first place set free His slaves; and then afterwards, as I have already shown, might constitute them heirs of His property, when the Spirit possesses them by inheritance. For he who lives inherits, but the flesh is inherited. In order that we may not lose life by losing that Spirit which possesses us, the apostle, exhorting us to the communion of the Spirit, has said, according to reason, in those words already quoted, That flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. Just as if he were to say, Do not err; for unless the Word of God dwell with, and the Spirit of the Father be in you, and if you shall live frivolously and carelessly as if you were this only, viz., mere flesh and blood, you cannot inherit the kingdom of God. …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, ‘Against Heresies’, (Book 5(V), Chapter 9), Point 4)

Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103509.htm

“… 50Now this I say, brethren, that FLESH AND BLOOD cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I tell you a [m]mystery: We shall not all sleep, but WE SHALL ALL BE CHANGED— 52in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMPET. For the trumpet will sound, and THE DEAD WILL BE RAISED INCORRUPTIBLE, and WE SHALL BE CHANGED. …” (1 Corinthians 15:50 – 52, NKJV)

The phrase “… that FLESH AND BLOOD cannot inherit the kingdom of God; …” Written in 1 Corinthians 15:50 (Verse 50) here means INHERITING HEAVEN as St. Irenaeous’ quote above explains too and then this change described at Judgment Day Timeline means that the “New Heavens and New Earth” are only inheritable by a CHANGE in the BODY with is NO MORE FLESH and BLOOD POSSIBLY for ELECT SALVATION where THE NON ELECT SALVATION could be in FLESH and BLOOD and INHERIT the FINAL NEW EARTH part instead of HEAVEN. Last Trumpet = Second Resurrection

“… We have heard the trumpet spoken of; it is observed that in another place the Apostle names another trumpet. Therefore he says to the Corinthians: At the last trumpet, the dead will rise, will become immortal, and we will be changed. B He says the dead will be raised immortal for bearing punishments, but it is shown that we are to be changed and to be covered in glory. [1 Corinthians 15:52] Therefore where we hear “the last trumpet,” we must understand also a first, for these are two resurrections. Therefore, however many were not previously to rise in the first resurrection and to reign with Christ over the world [Revelation 20:4 – 6], over all nations, will rise at the last trumpet, after the thousand years, that is, in the last resurrection, among the impious and sinners and perpetrators of various kinds [Revelation 20:11 – 15]. He rightly adds, saying: Blessed and holy is he who has a part in the first anastasis: toward this one the second death has no power. For the second death is being thrown into hell. …” – Blessed St. Victorinus, Bishop of Pettau, the First and Oldest Christian Commentary on the Apocalypse of John or Book of Revelation, Martyr for Christ (c. 303 AD)Source [‘Commentary on the Apocalypse’, circa 3^rd Century]:

https://earlychurchrevival.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/st-victorinus-of-poetovio-translated-by-kevin-edgecomb.pdf

“… 28Do not marvel at this; for the HOUR IS COMING in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. …” (John 5:28 – 29, NKJV)

Please consider this POSSIBLE “Second Resurrection” Quote next even toward “opponents of Christianity” (please notice this phrase on the first line) for a NON ELECT SALVATION based on maybe God’s Mercy if they lived a life of Good Works with the Charity Doctrine (Matthew 25:31 – 46 seems to echo likewise? We can ask but let God Decide):

“… 1. LET OUR OPPONENTS-that is, they who speak against their own salvation-inform us [as to this point]: The deceased daughter of the high priest; the widow’s dead son, who was being carded out [to burial] near the gate [of the city]; and Lazarus, who had lain four days in the tomb, -in what bodies did they rise again? In those same, no doubt, in which they had also died. For if it were not in the very same, then certainly those same individuals who had died did not rise again. For [the Scripture] says, “The Lord took the hand of the dead man, and said to him, Young man, I say unto thee, Arise. And the dead man sat up, and He commanded that something should be given him to eat; and He delivered him to his mother.” Again, He called Lazarus “with a loud voice, saying, Lazarus, come forth; and HE that WAS DEAD came forth bound with bandages, feet and hands.” This was SYMBOLICAL of that MAN who had been BOUND in SINS. And therefore the Lord said, “Loose him, and let him depart.” As, therefore, THOSE who were HEALED were MADE WHOLE in THOSE MEMBERS which had in TIMES PAST been AFFLICTED; and the DEAD ROSE in the IDENTICAL BODIES, their limbs and bodies receiving health, and that life which was granted by the Lord, who prefigures eternal things by temporal, and shows that it is He who is Himself able to extend BOTH HEALING and LIFE to HIS HANDIWORK, that His words concerning its [future] RESURRECTION may also be believed; so also at the END, when the Lord utters His voice “by the LAST TRUMPET,” [1 Corinthians 15:52] the dead shall be raised, as He Himself declares: “The HOUR SHALL COME, in which ALL THE DEAD which are in the TOMBS shall hear the voice of the Son of man, and shall come forth; those that have DONE GOOD to the RESURRECTION of LIFE, and those that have DONE EVIL to the RESURRECTION of JUDGMENT.” [John 5:28 – 29] – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, Against Heresies (Book V, Chapter 13)) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103513.htm

iii) Daniel 12:3’s Quote from the Bible and St. Irenaeous of Lyons’ Quote

St. Irenaeous of Lyons seems to quote ONLY the “SHINE” part for CHRISTIANS/ELECT SALVATION when quoting DANIEL 12:3 meaning this can refer to CHRISTIANS CHANGED into ANGELIC BEAUTY and NO MORE FLESH and BLOOD at the END of this 1000 years and the “unquoted part” can refer to the POSSIBLE NON ELECT SALVATION for the RIGHTEOUS who RISE SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH THE WICKED in this same timeline if I’m inferring this right, please compare (he seems to quote the SEPTUAGINT and NOT Masoretic for this Verse):

“… but when it is read by the Christians, it is a treasure, hid indeed in a field, but brought to light by the cross of Christ, and explained, both enriching the understanding of men, and showing forth the wisdom of God and declaring His dispensations with regard to man, and forming the kingdom of Christ beforehand, and preaching by anticipation the inheritance of the holy Jerusalem, and proclaiming beforehand that the man who loves God shall arrive at such excellency as even to see God, and hear His word, and from the hearing of His discourse be glorified to such an extent, that others cannot behold the glory of his countenance, as was said by Daniel: Those who do understand, shall shine as the brightness of the firmament, and many of the righteous as the stars for ever and ever. Daniel 12:3 Thus, then, I have shown it to be, if any one read the Scriptures. For thus it was that the Lord discoursed with the disciples after His resurrection from the dead, proving to them from the Scriptures themselves that Christ must suffer, and enter into His glory, and that remission of sins should be preached in His name throughout all the world. Luke 24:26, 47 And the disciple will be perfected, and [rendered] like the householder, who brings forth from his treasure things new and old. Matthew 13:52 …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, ‘Against Heresies’, (Book 4(IV), Chapter 26), Point 1-partial)

Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103426.htm

i) ELECT SALVATION part

“… Those who are WISE shall shine Like the BRIGHTNESS OF THE FIRMAMENT, And THOSE WHO TURN MANY to RIGHTEOUSNESS Like the STARS forever and ever. …” (Daniel 12:3, NKJV)

ii) NON ELECT SALVATION for some while ETERNAL DAMNATION for others part

“… And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, SOME to EVERLASTING LIFE, SOME to SHAME and EVERLASTING CONTEMPT. …” (Daniel 12:2, NKJV)

[To quote from Pages around 2745/2099 of this #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]

ii) Since Christians DO NOT Rise Simultaneously with the wicked at all, there seems to be a “Second Badge” of “righteous” saved on “Judgment Day” Timeline who rise together with the wicked only but are “saved” due to “doing Good” (so God’s Mercy seems to extend toward them)

“… 28Do not marvel at this; for the HOUR IS COMING in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29and come forth—those who have DONE GOOD, to the RESURRECTION of LIFE, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (John 5:28 – 29, NKJV)

“… And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt. …”(Daniel 12:2, NKJV)

Comment: It is “possible” that Christians are mentioned differently during each discourse above as follows:

in John 5 as follows:

“… “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word [Obeys His NEW Testament Commands]and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment [NO JUDGMENT of ANY TYPE be it Hades NOR Lake of Fire for ELECT SALVATION], but has passed from death into life. …” (John 5:24, NKJV)

Source: https://biblehub.com/john/5-24.htm

and in Daniel 2 as follows:

“… Those who are WISE shall shine Like the BRIGHTNESS OF THE FIRMAMENT, And THOSE WHO TURN MANY to RIGHTEOUSNESS Like the STARS forever and ever. 4“But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.” …” (Daniel 12:3 – 4, NKJV based on the Masoretic Text)

Source: https://biblehub.com/nkjv/daniel/12.htm

“… 3And the WISE SHALL SHINE as the BRIGHTNESS OF THE FIRMAMENT, and SOME OF THE MANY RIGHTEOUS as the STARS FOR EVER and EVER. 4And thou, Daniel, close the words, and seal the book to the time of the end; until many are taught, and knowledge is increased. …” (Daniel 12:3 – 4, Brenton Septuagint Translation, based on the Septuagint or LXX)

Source: https://biblehub.com/sep/daniel/12.htm

I repeat for focus:

“… And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, SOME to EVERLASTING LIFE, SOME to SHAME and EVERLASTING CONTEMPT. Those who are WISE shall shine Like the BRIGHTNESS OF THE FIRMAMENT, And THOSE WHO TURN MANY to RIGHTEOUSNESS Like the STARS forever and ever. 4“But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase. …” (Daniel 12:2 – 4, NKJV)

Please notice carefully the following Comments:

0. Verse 2 Describes this event to happen during the “Second Resurrection” (Judgment Day Timeline) which is 1000 after the Christian Resurrection meaning the righteous who rise simultaneously with the wicked may “not” be Christians. The Christians are described in Verse 3 as two types namely the “Wise” and the “turn many to righteousness types” who SHINE with HEAVENLY light as per the “HEAVENS” and “STARS” respectively (a clear distinction made in Scripture). This SHINE like HEAVENS and/or STARS [i.e. as these are “Heavenly” Bodies in Analogy] and thus can be the CHANGE from HUMAN FORM to ANGELIC FORM as St. Methodius’ quote (possibly from St. Justin Martyr actually) is being described here as discussed in Pages 2055 to 2091 or 2692 earlier of this #SafeRouteScripturallyBook with other details.

But the Verses next in Romans 2:5 -13 was NOT speaking of those who NEVER HEARD of the GOSPEL/LAW only but ALSO of THOSE WHO HEARD the GOSPEL/LAW.

The “… DOERS OF THE LAW WILL BE JUSTIFIED …” Context for Romans 2:13 here seems to be “…6who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: 7 ETERNAL LIFE to those who by PATIENT CONTINUANCE IN DOING GOOD SEEK FOR GLORY, HONOR and IMMORTALITY …” (Romans 2:7) which clearly refers to SOME being SAVED on JUDGMENT DAY only which by CHILIASM TIMELINE CANNOT be CHRISTIANS and SO MUST BE some NON-CHRISTIANS, right?

As it continues in the above as “… 10but glory, honor, and peace to EVERYONE WHO WORKS WHAT IS GOOD, TO THE JEW FIRST AND ALSO TO THE GREEK [Gentiles]. 11For there is NO PARTIALITY WITH GOD. …” (indicating Universality without Partiality Judgment based on “works” before MERCY is DECIDED to be SHOWN BY GOD’S DECISION ALONE) including even of THOSE WHO HEARD the LAW (GOSPEL) too CONTEXT as the phrases for these in the above are “… and as many as have SINNED IN THE LAW WILL BE JUDGED BY THE LAW 13(for NOT THE HEARERS OF THE LAW ARE JUST IN THE SIGHT OF GOD, BUT THE DOERS OF THE LAW WILL BE JUSTIFIED …”. So, it’s POSSIBLE, right?

iii. Where is the Threshold for Justification? Let God Decide since even “Christians” with terrible sins may be “saved without reward too” if they likewise have some type of ‘minimum obedience likewise’ as the ‘saved by fire case’ described in Verse below could apply likewise to either Christians or those Generally above simply because as Verse 11 here Reveals that there is NO partiality with God:

“… 14If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, HE WILL RECEIVE A REWARD. 15If anyone’s WORK IS BURNED, HE WILL SUFFER LOSS; but HE HIMSELF WILL BE SAVED, YET SO AS THROUGH FIRE. …” (1 Corinthians 3:14 – 15, NKJV)

What happens to the 5 Foolish Virgins earlier?

Some great Protestant Christians such as Blessed Watchman Nee believed that these REJECTED FALLEN CHRISTIANS may be SAVED still which if true, I conjecture that these are examples of a NON ELECT SALVATION, to quote details from Page 2568 or 2516 of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook: Watchman Nee believed that some Christians may NOT enter Heaven but saved in the OUTER DARKNESS Regions only which I think is an EXAMPLE of a NON ELECT SALVATION too (except the term is not coined) and thus can be the FINAL NEW EARTH where it’s called “outer darkness” because the Final Jerusalem Heavenly City has NO NIGHT so it’s a “Relative Measure” Word possibly

“… Those who will not receive a reward are also divided into a few categories. One group will not enter into the kingdom at all. The Bible does not tell us where they will go. It only says that they will be kept outside the kingdom in the outer darkness (Matt. 8:12; 22:13; 25:30; Luke 13:28). They will be left outside the glory of God. …” – Blessed Watchman Nee, Father of Pentecostal Christianity in China (November 4, 1903 – May 30, 1972)

Source ( Collected Works of Watchman Nee, The (Set 2) Vol. 29: The Gospel of God (2) (W. Nee, How God deals with the believers’ sins — the Gehenna of fire in the kingdom):

https://bibleread.online/all-books-by-Watchman-Nee-and-Witness-Lee/book-collected-works-of-watchman-nee-the-set-2-vol-29-the-gospel-of-god-2-Watchman-Nee-read-online/10

*HUMAN resurrection body (Terrestrial, NON ELECT SALVATION, NATIONS of those SAVED, Revelation 21:24) or even the THIRSTY (Revelation 21:6, Revelation 22:17) vs ANGELIC/LIKE GODS Resurrection Body (Celestial, Elect Salvation, His Bride, Revelation 21:9) POSSIBILITY in Verses below (Compare):

“… 39ALL FLESH IS NOT THE SAME FLESH, but there is one kind [f]of flesh of men, another flesh of animals, another of fish, and another of birds. 40There are also [g]CELESTIAL BODIES and [h]TERRESTRIAL BODIES; but the GLORY of the CELESTIAL is one, and the GLORY of the TERRESTRIAL is another. 41There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory. 42So also is the RESURRECTION of THE DEAD. …” (1 Corinthians 15:39 – 42, NKJV)

Note: It seems unlikely that the BRIDE (in verses here, CHURCH) at that FUTURE TIME invites “herself” for the “Water of Life”, right? Especially since in #CHILIASM Timeline Prophecy she has CHANGED into ANGELIC and NO MORE SINLESS HUMAN BODY at that time MEANING CHRISTIANS are IMMORTALS and CANNOT be NEEDING the WATER of LIFE still after 1000 years later, right? (Please compare with quotes [From Page 391 onward of the #MyCV15Oct2023]) earlier to understand this “possibility” not doctrine as I am “not” 100% sure but makes sense with CHILIASM CHURCH FATHERS’ quotes – notice the word “BRIDE” in Verses in earlier page too)

“… And the SPIRIT and the BRIDE say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And LET HIM WHO THIRSTS COME. Whoever desires, let him TAKE THE WATER OF LIFE FREELY. …” – Blessed Apostle St. John (Revelation 22:17, NKJV)

St. Justin of Rome (CHILIASM Church Father) also mysteriously mentions THREE TYPES of MEN in his quote below (“… sinners, and the righteous, and the wicked. …”) without elaborating further

“…For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for it? Lay up treasure, therefore, in heaven, where neither moth nor rust does corrupt. And, Be kind and merciful, as your Father also is kind and merciful, and makes His sun to rise on sinners, and the righteous, and the wicked. Take no thought what you shall eat, or what you shall put on: are you not better than the birds and the beasts? And God feeds them. Take no thought, therefore, what you shall eat, or what you shall put on; for your heavenly Father knows that you have need of these things. But seek the kingdom of heaven, and all these things shall be added unto you. For where his treasure is, there also is the mind of a man. …” – Blessed St. Justin of Rome or St. Justin Martyr or or Justin of Neapolis, a Great Early Christian Apologist who is a Foremost Exponent of the Divine Word, who Influenced Virtually all of subsequent Christian philosophy and Catholic theology, Martyr for Christ, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church (c. 100AD – c. 160 AD, First Apology, Chapter 15. What Christ himself taught) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0126.htm

Note: In [From Page 257 or 258 onward of the #ChiliasmBook], there is a further mysterious quote next by St. Justin Martyr which may explain how some (or all?) of these “Wicked” may be CONVERTED or SAVED in the end? (or probably of those in the SINNERS category as per his own words above)for it is “not” uncommon for these words (“Sinners vs Wicked”) to be used interchangeably but in the quote earlier where all three words “righteous, sinners, ungodly (wicked)” appear, we may make a distinction indicating difference as a “possibility” for if not, Blessed St. Justin of Rome here could have just said “Righetous and Wicked” only which he did NOT.

Compare: [From Page 257 or 258 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]

a) The Wicked becoming Obedient/Subjected – as One Child

“…We have preached before Him as if [He were] a child, as if a root in a dry ground.’ (And what follows in order of the prophecy already quoted.) But when the passage speaks as from the lips of many, ‘We have preached before Him,’ and adds, ‘as if a child, IT SIGNIFIES THAT THE WICKED SHALL BECOME SUBJECT TO HIM, and SHALL OBEY HIS COMMAND, and that ALL SHALL BECOME AS ONE CHILD. … and of those things which would also be done by Christ Himself …” – Blessed St. Justin of Rome (c. 100 AD – c. 160 AD, CHAPTER XLI & CHAPTER XLII, ‘Dialogue with Trypho’)

b) The Church compared as an Analogy to that

“… Such a thing as you may witness in the body: although the members are enumerated as many, all are called one, and are a body. For, indeed, a commonwealth and a church, though many individuals in number, are in fact as one, called and addressed by one appellation … of those who it was foreknown were to believe in Him,…” – Blessed St. Justin of Rome (c. 100 AD – c. 160 AD, CHAPTER XLI & CHAPTER XLII, ‘Dialogue with Trypho’)Roman Catholic Source for both quotes above: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/01283.htm

Blessed Ambrosiaster’s quotes seem to point to SINNERS being SAVED despite UNBELIEF earlier but VIA “Believing AFTER seeing on JUDGMENT DAY Context” as I have detailed in [From Page 341 onward of the #MyCV15Oct2023]) whilst being judged too (1 Corinthians 3:15’s saved by fire case? Please compare for this part with [From Page 327 onward of the #MyCV15Oct2023])). Example

” … QUESTION 126. FROM THE ONE WHO RECEIVED THE FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST. … In fact, the knowledge of God must inspire the fear of the just judge, in whose court he teaches us that the faithful will receive the reward of their righteousness, and the ungodly, that is to say the unbelievers, the just punishment of their infidelity. It is of all justice, indeed, that the good ones be filled with joy in the future life in which Jesus Christ must reign with his chosen ones. They have been exposed to scorn, outrages in this world where the devil reigns, they will appear surrounded by glory in the kingdom of Jesus Christ for which they have borne the contempt of the worldly. SINNERS, on the contrary, who seemed to shine here below a false brilliance, opposing falsehood to truth, have to wait for tribulation and an imaginary glory to succeed for them a contempt, a humiliation too real. The righteous will rejoice in having believed, when they witness the chastisements of the unbelieving, and THE UNFAITHFUL WILL REPENT of THEIR UNBELIEF ONLY when THEY SEE BOTH THEIR OWN CHASTISEMENT and the glory of those WHOSE FAITH THEY HAD REGARDED as an ACT of MADNESS, which was only worthy of their contempt. …” – Blessed Ambrosiaster (literally in Latin: “would-be Ambrose”), Roman Clergy active at Rome during the reign of Pope Damasus (c.366 AD – c. 384 AD) Source:

https://sites.google.com/site/aquinasstudybible/home/ambrosiaster-questions-on-the-old-and-new-testaments/polemic

Please notice the word “SINNERS” carefully in the quote above to understand that Blessed St. Justin of Rome could be referring to THIS DEFINITION as even Blessed Ambrosiaster’s other quotes (in [Page 340 onward of the #MyCV15Oct2023] ) point to usage based on the SAME PSALM 1:5 – 6 BIBLE Verses earlier in [Page 434 onward of the #MyCV15Oct2023] meaning the CONTEXT of DISCUSSION is SAME and such an interpretation of it is FOUND in FIRST ORTHODOX CHRISTIANITY even though many do “not” realize it but whether such an interpretation is true or not, only God Knows. I present the “EVIDENCE” meaning GOD WILL understand even if we are WRONG since we did NOT quote some “lying heretical source nor voices in the head or any other blasphemies” but just PLAIN HISTORY AVAILABLE to us by “RELATIVE MEASURE” and we admitted the POSSIBILITIES either way in “FULL” without cheating anyone.

Can you “SEE” it? Satan is only thrown into the Lake of Fire and NO CHANCE after the end of this 1000 years where the “Beast” (Antichrist) & “False Prophet” are thrown into it at the start of the 1000 years Millennial Reign of Christ. Notice that SATAN is mentioned separately and is locked in the bottomless pit during the “TIMES of the KINGDOM” timeline as St. Ireneaous of Lyons calls it referring to the 1000 years Millennial Reign of Christ Timeline before being released for one last deception as I have discussed say in [Page 393 onward of the #MyCV15Oct2023] earlier. Brief Summary:

CHILIASM Timeline (Second Coming of Christ ushers in the MARRIAGE of the LAMB in Revelation 19:7 – 9 for 1000 years in the celebration of the 1000 years Millennial Reign of Christ) and “Antichrist/Beast” and “False Prophet” are thrown in the Lake of Fire, Revelation 19:19 – 20 at the START of the 1000 years Millennial Reign of Christ while Satan is locked in the bottomless pit during this 1000 years!

[From Page 393 onward of the #MyCV15Oct2023, more details there]

“… Then the MOON SHALL BE CONFOUNDED, and the SUN ASHAMED, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously. …” (Isaiah 24:24, KJV). Please notice the words “Sun and Moon” in Verse above proving its existence at this time.

Notice that the “Feast of Tabernacles” is the 1000 years Millennial Reign of Christ Timeline (e.g. Zechariah 14:16 – 19) and so is any Bible Verse describing the Millennial Reign of Christ is also talking about this timeline only, can you see it in example CHILIASM QUOTE below in the CONTEXT of MARRIAGE of the LAMB and CHANGE of CHRISTIANS/ELECT from SINLESS HUMAN FORM to ANGELIC FORM at the END of 1000 years? (Please see next page for some related “Top” CHILIASM quotes for this)

[From Pages 314/315/324/422/385/322 onward of the #MyCV15Oct2023, more details there]

Notice that Christians are changed to become like gods during Judgment Day proving that this change from human to angelic as per CHILIASM quotes (next) happens at the END of the 1000 years Millennial Reign when “all men are raised to be judged” too

“… how this very Christ will be present in their assembly, rendering judgment to all men. … ‘God stands in the congregation of gods … demonstrated that all men are deemed worthy of becoming gods, and of having power to become sons of the Highest; and shall be each by himself judged and condemned like Adam and Eve. …” – Blessed St. Justin of Rome or St. Justin Martyr or or Justin of Neapolis, (c. 100AD – c. 160 AD, Dialogue with Trypho, Chapter 124)

Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/01288.htm

Notice that this phrase from St. Justin Martyr above clearly means that not all men become “gods” meaning that change from human to angelic as per CHILIASM quotes (next).

“… demonstrated that all men are deemed worthy of becoming gods, and of having power to become sons of the Highest; and shall be each by himself judged and condemned like Adam and Eve. Now I have proved at length that Christ is called God – Blessed St. Justin of Rome or St. Justin Martyr or or Justin of Neapolis, (c. 100AD – c. 160 AD, Dialogue with Trypho, Chapter 124)

Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/01288.htm

St. Irenaeous of Lyons uses the phrase NO MORE FLESH AND BLOOD & TRANSLATED into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN as the CONTEXT for FLESH and BLOOD cannot inherit HEAVEN (so this BODILY change from human to angelic is necessary, implied by usage here) and that this occurs at the END of the 1000 years Millennial Reign of CHRIST CHILIASM Timeline as he is quoting 1 Corinthians 15:50 – 52 (see below) which contains the phrase “… by the LAST TRUMPET…” (only found in this Verse)

“… But these are inherited by the Spirit when they are translated into the kingdom of heaven. … the apostle, exhorting us to the communion of the Spirit, has said, according to reason, in those words already quoted, That flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Bishop of Lyons, Father of Catholic Theology, (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, ‘Against Heresies’, (Book 5(V), Chapter 9), Point 4)

Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103509.htm

From Book of 1Enoch too as the “CHANGE” only for the ELECT from HUMAN to ANGELIC (implied or understood when seen “together” with other quotes here):

“… 1And in those days a CHANGE shall take place for the holy and ELECT, And the LIGHT OF DAYS shall abide upon them, And GLORY and HONOUR shall turn to the holy, 2 ON THE DAY OF AFFLICTION …” (Book of 1Enoch, Verses 1 – 2, Chapter 50 earlier, highlighted) = CHRISTIANS (Celestial/Heavenly Resurrection Body and Glory)

Translation Source (via Famous Protestant Historian Professor Philip Schaff, Professor of Church History and Biblical Literature in the German Reformed Theological Seminary): https://www.ccel.org/c/charles/otpseudepig/enoch/ENOCH_2.HTM Compare: ai) This part is “rapture”

“… dead in Christ will stand first, then we who are living, as we will be taken up with Him in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord [1 Thessalonians 4:17]. …” – Blessed St. Victorinus, Bishop of Pettau,

aii) This part is “change” from “human to angelic type” at the “end” of 1000 years Millennial Reign of Christ during the “Last Trumpet” [Notice that St. Victorinus does NOT connect the “last trumpet” phrase to link it to “rapture” as many Christians do today]

“… A We have heard the trumpet spoken of; it is observed that in another place the Apostle names another trumpet. Therefore he says to the Corinthians: At the last trumpet, the dead will rise, will become immortal, and we will be changed. B … it is shown that we are to be changed and to be covered in glory. [1 Corinthians 15:52] Therefore where we hear “the last trumpet,” we must understand also a first, for these are two resurrections. Therefore, however many were not previously to rise in the first resurrection and to reign with Christ over the world [Revelation 20:4 – 6], over all nations, will rise at the last trumpet, after the thousand years, that is, in the last resurrection, among the impious and sinners and perpetrators of various kinds [Revelation 20:11 – 15]. …” – Blessed St. Victorinus, the First and Oldest Christian Commentary on the Apocalypse of John or Book of Revelation, Martyr for Christ (c. 303 AD), Source for both quotes here below

New Source [‘Commentary on the Apocalypse’, circa 2^nd half of the third century, as old source seems to have ‘removed it’, Revelation Chapter 20’s Commentary Page 18 in book]:

https://earlychurchrevival.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/st-victorinus-of-poetovio-translated-by-kevin-edgecomb.pdf Compare also with this for “same meaning”:

St. Methodius of Olympus believes that the 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Rapture Verse refers to at the START of the CHILIASM 1000 years MILLENNIAL REIGN Timeline

“… VII. Now the passage, The dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive, St. Methodius thus explains: Those are our bodies; for the souls are we ourselves, who, rising, resume that which is dead from the earth; so that being caught up with them to meet the Lord, we may gloriously celebrate the splendid festival of the resurrection, because we have received our everlasting tabernacles, which shall no longer die nor be dissolved. …”– Blessed St. Methodius, Bishop of Olympus, (died c. 311 AD, Part 3, From the Discourse on the Resurrection) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0625.htm

St. Methodius of Olympus believes that the 1 Corinthians 15:52’s “Christians (we) will be changed in the “twinkling of an eye” Verse refers to at the END of the CHILIASM 1000 years MILLENNIAL REIGN Timeline as CHANGE from HUMAN to ANGELIC TYPE as CHRIST Shares His Divinity with His Bride or Christians only to become no more flesh and blood to inherit heaven as opposed to many Christians today especially pre-tribulation rapture believers who view both these verses as same timeline and same event as earlier quote

“… For I also, taking my journey, and going forth from the Egypt of this life, CAME FIRST TO THE RESURRECTION, which is the true FEAST of the TABERNACLES, and there having set up my tabernacle, ADORNED WITH THE FRUITS OF VIRTUE, ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE RESURRECTION, which is the DAY OF JUDGMENT, CELEBRATE WITH CHRIST THE MILLENNIUM OF REST, WHICH IS CALLED THE SEVENTH DAY, EVEN THE TRUE SABBATH. … — that is, my body not remaining as it was before, but, AFTER THE SPACE OF A THOUSAND YEARS, CHANGED FROM A HUMAN AND CORRUPIBLE FORM INTO ANGELIC SIZE AND BEAUTY, where at last we virgins, when the FESTIVAL OF THE RESURRECTION IS CONSUMMATED, …”– Blessed St. Methodius, Bishop of Olympus, (died c. 311 AD, Banquet of the Ten Virgins, Discourse 9, Chapter 5) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/062309.htm

Please also notice how St. Methodius of Olympus here links the FIRST RESURRECTION for the 1000 years Millennial Reign of Christ to the “FEAST of TABERNACLES” context too and the phrase “when the FESTIVAL OF THE RESURRECTION IS CONSUMMATED” in the second quote indicates this change from HUMAN to ANGELIC only happens in the “TWINKLING of an EYE as it links to 1 Corinthians 15:51 – 52’s LAST TRUMPET phrase for the rest of the dead to be raised (Revelation 20:5 links to it) meaning he is paraphrasing/quoting this Verse to mean ” at the END of the 1000 years even though his earlier quote above signifies the “Rapture” Verse to happen at the START of the “festival of the resurrection”. Millennium means 1000 years!

“… Chapter 25. … Of the heavenly kingdom this is the process. After its thousand years are over, within which period is completed the resurrection of the saints, who rise sooner or later according to their deserts there will ensue the destruction of the world and the conflagration of all things at the judgment: we shall then be changed in a moment into the substance of angels, even by the investiture of an incorruptible nature, and so be removed to that kingdom in heaven … when Abraham’s seed, after the primal promise of being like the sand of the sea for multitude, is destined likewise to an equality with the stars of heaven — are not these the indications both of an earthly and a heavenly dispensation? …” – Blessed Tertullian, Father of Latin Christianity, Founder of Western Theological Scholarship, c. 155 AD – c. 240 AD, Against Marcion, Book III, Chapter 25-partial)

Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/03123.htm

Resurrection is SPIRIT returning to GET BODY literally by definition and NO such thing as “resurrection means alive in spirit for 1000 years now even in 2023” because that’s true that SPIRIT/SOUL is alive without body and THAT’s NOT CALLED RESURRECTION as some heresies err, and that’s a reason why St. Justin or Rome himself has defined it clearly for us as thus [From Page 50 onward of the #EternalHellAnnihilationUniversalismBook]

“… The resurrection is a resurrection of the flesh which died. For the spirit dies not; the soul is in the body, and without a soul it cannot live. The body, when the soul forsakes it, is not. For the body is the house of the soul; and the soul the house of the spirit. These three, in all those who cherish a sincere hope and unquestioning faith in God, will be saved. [1 Thessalonians 5:23] …” – Blessed St. Justin of Rome or St. Justin Martyr or or Justin of Neapolis,, a Great Early Christian Apologist who is a Foremost Exponent of the Divine Word, who Influenced Virtually all of subsequent Christian philosophy and Catholic theology, Martyr for Christ, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church (c. 100AD – c. 160 AD, ON THE RESURRECTION’ CHAPTER X (10), Chapter 10. The body saved, and will therefore rise)
Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0131.htm

and only with a resurrected body we can ENTER HEAVEN AFTER the CHANGE from HUMAN to ANGELIC (so NO more flesh and blood) as I have SHOWN with CHILIASM QUOTES earlier. St. Justin of Rome and St. Ireneaous of Lyons explaining this SAME CONTEXT as follows: Yes, St. Justin Martyr also affirmed this process in his quote below that Christians do “not” ascend to any “Heaven” Regions yet but only the Blessed Intermediate Place Comfort Regions such as ‘Abraham’s Bosom’ (as per Luke 16:19 – 31) with THEIR SOULS but may only enter HEAVEN post BODILY RESURRECTION in the FIRST RESURRECTION later:

“…For I choose to follow not men or men’s doctrines, but God and the doctrines[delivered] by Him. For if you have fallen in with SOME WHO ARE CALLED CHRISTIANS, but who do not admit this[truth], and venture to blaspheme the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob; who say there is no resurrection of the dead, and THAT THEIR SOULS, WHEN THEY DIE, ARE TAKEN TO HEAVEN; DO NOT IMAGINE THAT THEY ARE CHRISTIANS, … But I and others, who are right-minded Christians on all points, are assured that there will be a resurrection of the dead, and a thousand years in Jerusalem, which will then be built, adorned, and enlarged, the prophets Ezekiel and Isaiah and others declare. …” – Blessed St. Justin of Rome or St. Justin Martyr or or Justin of Neapolis,, a Great Early Christian Apologist who is a Foremost Exponent of the Divine Word, who Influenced Virtually all of subsequent Christian philosophy and Catholic theology, Martyr for Christ, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church (c. 100AD – c. 160 AD, Dialogue with Trypho, 80:9, CHAPTER LXXX, Chapter 80) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/01286.htm

St. Irenaeous of Lyons teaches exactly the same meaning in essence:

“… For as the Lord “went away in the midst of the SHADOW OF DEATH” [Ps. 23:4], where the SOULS OF THE DEAD WERE, yet afterwards arose in the body, and after the resurrection was taken up [into heaven], it is manifest that THE SOULS OF HIS DISCIPLES ALSO, upon whose account the Lord underwent these things, SHALL GO AWAY INTO THE INVISIBLE PLACE ALLOTTED TO THEM BY GOD, and THERE REMAIN UNTIL RESURRECTION, awaiting that event; then RECEIVING THEIR BODIES, and RISING IN THEIR ENTIRETY, THAT IS BODILY, just as the Lord arose, they shall come thus into the presence of God. “For no disciple is above the Master, but every one that is perfect shall be as his Master” [Luke 6:40]. As our MASTER, therefore, DID NOT at once depart, TAKING FLIGHT [TO HEAVEN], but AWAITED THE TIME OF HIS RESURRECTION prescribed by the Father, which had been also shown forth through Jonas, and rising again after three days was taken up [to heaven]; so ought WE ALSO AWAIT THE TIME OF OUR RESURRECTION PRESCRIBED BY GOD and foretold by the prophets, and so, RISING, BE TAKEN UP, AS MANY AS THE LORD SHALL ACCOUNT WORTHY OF THIS [privilege]. …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology,(c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, ‘Against Heresies’, Book V, Chapter XXXI (31)) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103531.htm Note: Christ’s Example of Resurrection proves HIS HUMAN BODY Rising part first say in Luke 24:39 (eating fish, John 21:10 etc. but can walk through walls too, John 20:26 – 27 as it’s more than a “normal” human as well) but after FORTY DAYS only (Acts 1:3) HE RISES into the HEAVENS (John 20:17, Acts 1:9 – 11) setting the example for us as well except that (if all these CHILIASM quotes are true) then we CHANGE from HUMAN type to ANGELIC to ENTER HEAVENS (or DEEPER regions of HEAVENS (Layers)) only at the END of the 1000 years Millennial Reign of Christ when the Resurrection FEAST of TABERNACLES is CONSUMMATED.

St. Ireneaous of Lyons’ quote next for Daniel 12:2 – 3’s Resurrection quote may also reveal the possibility that Daniel 12:2 talks about the Second Resurrection (with a second badge of righteous saved, hence NON ELECT SALVATION) but CHRISTIANS/ELECT start SHINING at this TIME only due to the CHANGE from HUMAN to ANGELIC at this end of 1000 years Millennial Reign as described by Daniel 12:3 in comparison. [From Page 654 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]

i) ELECT SALVATION part

“… Those who are WISE shall shine Like the BRIGHTNESS OF THE FIRMAMENT, And THOSE WHO TURN MANY to RIGHTEOUSNESS Like the STARS forever and ever. …” (Daniel 12:3, NKJV)

ii) NON ELECT SALVATION for some while ETERNAL DAMNATION for others part

“… And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, SOME to EVERLASTING LIFE, SOME to SHAME and EVERLASTING CONTEMPT. …” (Daniel 12:2, NKJV) , In full (together)

Conclusion

Many Pentecostals really believe in Dr. D.G.S. Dhinakaran’s claim of going to heaven and seeing even Sadhu Sundar Singh. This means either Sundar Singh’s non elect salvation quotes are true or if wrong, they don’t affect salvation at all (because quite a number of Christians and non-Christians have either believed or been affected by Sundar Singh’s non elect salvation quotes shown prior).

As for me, though I present the evidence strongly and I hope that non elect salvation possibility turns out to be true, but yet I can only stand neutral still in regard to things which I cannot know for sure until I die and meet the Lord.

I often take this neutral stance on matters of prophecy but present the evidence for the side which I think is more probable so that I don’t accidentally mislead anyone and have already told them all these facts in advance.

St. Justin of Rome has written that no Christian goes to heaven [144] until after the resurrection because we need that “change” from “human” to “no more flesh and blood” celestial body to be able to “enter the final heavens” which is the “change” from “natural body” to “spiritual body” [145] for the elect at the last trumpet.

This is only understood accurately like this if we take all the Chiliasm church father quotes as a whole to understand what he failed to write explicitly. St. Justin is not denying that some can have heavenly visions if God permits it (2 Corinthians 12:2) but rather is writing against those who say they that there is no bodily resurrection (in flesh and blood first) and can live in the heavens permanently in a spirit state.

This is further substantiated by Lord Jesus Christ’s own Resurrection where as a “Spirit” He did not go to “heaven” [146] yet and could only do so after “Bodily Resurrection” [147].

Christ’s Resurrection Body is not merely flesh and blood but beyond and when we rise from the dead, we are not immediately conformed to it yet until the marriage of the Lamb (that’s one of the purpose for it) is complete after the 1000 years and our body sharing “one flesh” with Christ’s is “transformed into some glory” [148] as per Chiliasm quotes shown earlier.

Roman Catholics like to quote both St. Irenaeus of Lyons [149] and Tertullian [150] for unity quotes and that they are the church with direct spiritual descent from the apostles themselves. The problem here is that the “Original Catholic Churches” at the time of their writing is quoted to believe even in Chiliasm quotes which they have written, right? So if even one quote of theirs is not believed or is different from what the Catholic church believes today, then doesn’t that prove that either diversity was allowed and a tradition or an interpretation which prevailed has been dominant proving human free will? Isn’t this same spiritual phenomena observable with the Jews themselves in that they had preserved Scripture, ensured the continuity and function of Levitical priesthood and converted many into Judaism for thousands of years but yet were wrong on many doctrinal points by the time of Christ, some even disbelieving Him?

My point is that majority in number of converts and prevalence of any doctrine or interpretation is not necessarily a sign of truth. For me, the earliest surviving writings of Christianity which mainly involves these Chiliasm church fathers, St. Irenaeus of Lyons, St. Justin of Rome and Tertullian seems to preserve the ancient faith most accurately and where they differ, these could be possibilities but I prefer St. Irenaeus and St. Justin over Tertullian since even the Roman Catholics have noticed some errors in Tertullian and so he is not sainted.

This same St. Clement of Rome (c. 35 AD – c. 99 AD) or Pope Clement I for Roman Catholics who is a direct disciple of apostle St. Peter himself has written a letter that is known as 1 Clement today which is considered Scripture in some early Christianity such as the 5th century Codex Alexandrinus [151] and is even mentioned by St. Irenaeus of Lyons as an authentic tradition from the apostles [152] that has a verse which almost sounds like a prophecy [153] and states that sometimes the person who leaves the church could be more accurate doctrinally despite the ruling of the majority. This is a clear proof of freewill practice which God has allowed even in the area of doctrinal accuracy in a Church.

In other words, St. Clement of Rome basically states that doctrinal accuracy may not always be found in the majority and a person who leaves a Church because of that will attain to great honour and glory in the Lord provided he turned out right [154]. So knowing this should encourage each Christian to be more united and not worry about the approval of masses whenever they stand for some doctrinal accuracy be It in practice or in theory and especially in prophecy aspect too.

How does God’s Will play a role in number of converts for a particular denomination then? Personally, I believe that God allows the leaders we deserve. I mean if more Christians are zealous for God in regards to accuracy and practice at St. Irenaeus of Lyons’ level, then we will get a leader who believes the same as him and vice versa [155]. In fact, prophet Daniel has prophesied that though leading many to righteousness is a great thing but even that shines like the “stars” (lower level) whereas having doctrinal accuracy or “insight” say in prophecy too can result in that final resurrection body glory to inherit the glory like the “heavens” (higher level) [156]. Even St. Irenaeus of Lyons knew that Daniel 12:3 speaks of this glory relating to final resurrection body context [157] based on how much insight in prophecy and/or doctrinal accuracy a disciple of Christ has which remains forever and ever. So we as Christians should try our best to be accurate and let God decide who shines like heavens and who shine like stars in the end. God has warned through Prophet Jeremiah that in the context of prophecy/oracle, if one claims that it’s one’s own attempt, even if it turned out wrong it’s okay since His Name was not taken in vain [158]. However, if a prophet claims that “God told me so” but He didn’t or that it turned out wrong, then such a person is liable to “eternal” shame or judgment of some sort (in fact, the Hebrew word olam which is translated as “everlasting and perpetual” here appears twice showing its seriousness) [159].

If non elect salvation turns out to be true, then the “few” saved refers to Elect Salvation [160] who become His Bride [161] and enter heaven [162] while Christ’s Ransom for “many” [163] includes those of non elect salvation too who get the final abode on the final new earth only [164] and are called by the Bride to take the water of life [165] which flows freely into the final new earth in this final scene and “healing from the leaves of the tree of life” whose Source is Christ [166] is needed for those non elect salvation of the nations since they could just be “saved by fire” [167] (note that Christians are already resurrected and saved for 1000 years when this happens in Chiliasm timeline and so the possibility that a Christian is requiring the “healing from the leaves of the tree of life” in this final scene seems difficult to accept, right?) Maybe this is what is meant by prophet Daniel [168] that “many” shall be “purified” meaning “saved by fire”. Hence non elect salvation could explain why some sayings or conclusion type Bible verses seem to hint at a larger group to be saved [169] where believers are a subset of it [170]. Even St. Jerome of the Vulgate (c. 347 AD – c. 420 AD) highlights the importance of doctrinal accuracy using the context of Daniel 12:3 [171]. I will end this discussion by quoting the “Septuagint (LXX)” for these prophecy Verses from Daniel below which can be compared against the “Masoretic” [172].

“2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame. 3And the wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament, and some of the many righteous as the stars for ever and ever. …. 10Many must be tested, and thoroughly whitened, and tried with fire, and sanctified; but the transgressors shall transgress: and none of the transgressors shall understand; but the wise shall understand” (Daniel 12:2 –3,10, Brenton Septuagint translation [173]).

Church History example to see the link between doctrine and missions:

Christianity began in Bohemia and Moravia via two Roman Catholic brothers Cyril and Methodius who brought the gospel there in 863 AD. They were fondly nicknamed “the apostles of the Slavs”. One the evangelism strategies which they modified and it worked well in converting the Slavs is that they did the liturgy, worship and preaching in the mother tongue of the Slavs. This was not common since such Church practices were done in Latin and so the already jealous German bishops aroused the suspicion as to whether they were loyal to the pope (John VIII) or not. Hence they were summoned to Rome but Cyril died shortly after in Rome (869 AD).

Methodius, on the other hand, succeeded in proving his loyalty to the pope and his role as archbishop of Moravia was now endorsed directly by the pope himself. Not only that, Methodius was permitted by pope John VIII to also use the Slavic liturgy the brothers invented under the condition that the Latin version was read first. This region was subjected to much turmoil and instability due to warring nations but yet these missionaries succeeded in new ground evangelism [174].

Another key missionary strategy which lead to the conversion of the Moravians was the success of Cyril and Methodius to convert and baptize, Radislav, king of the Slavs. Cyril went further and invented a Slavic alphabet called “Cyrillic” which was used in Scripture translation into the local language. The German clergy was jealous of them because the Bohemians were first evangelized by the Germans but their missionary work did not produce as many converts as done by these brothers. For example, 14 Bohemian nobleman and their families were baptized by the brothers in 845 AD. Also, while Cyril focused on the Moravians, his brother Methodius concentrated on the Bohemians and with this divide and conquer missionary strategy, they were fruitful as well [175].

The story of Cyril and Methodius also teaches us that sometimes the more sophisticated part of the missionary work such as the translation of the Bible into the newly created Slav characters would only be much fruitful later. This is because after Cyril died, Methodius attempted to use the locally translated Scripture for evangelism but realized it was not useful since many of the Slavs were not able to understand them. Interestingly, in Bulgaria, not only Prince Boris accepted Christ via the efforts of Methodius which lead to a Bulgarian revival but also Cyril’s alphabets became infused into the Bulgarian language which became a common practice from 900 AD onward, all these helping to spread the Gospel by both word of mouth and through written letters. Bulgaria itself became the heart of Slavic Christianity during those times. [176].

A point to note is that these are all the spread of Roman Catholic Christianity at the beginning but the pendulum of conversion flung toward Orthodox Christianity while Protestantism struggled in Bulgaria all the time. This is because a common prevalent thought is, the Gospel was brought into Bulgaria by some type of Catholic or Orthodox via Cyril and Methodius (note that the “Great Schism” in 1054 AD between the Catholic and Orthodox has not happened yet, so Catholic and Orthodox are considered united in a timeline before this) and thus when the local Church leadership chose the Orthodox swing later, the people followed. For example, in 2022, a USA government report states that 69.5% of the total population of 6.9 million are Eastern Orthodox Christian, followed by Muslims (10.7%), Protestants (1.4%), Roman Catholics (0.7%) where the rest of them are either atheists or those who don’t know or don’t want to specify their religion [177].

We saw earlier that in the original regions where Moravian Christianity started, introducing Protestant ideas are difficult since these go by the logic that God himself used Cyril and Methodius to convert our first forefathers into Christianity and so it means we must remain Orthodox like them even if it means to pray to Virgin Mary. Though we as Protestants discard such logic citing doctrinal accuracy via Sola Scriptura, however in practice, some of us will still choose to follow say a Pentecostal or other Protestant interpretation or doctrinal approach even if presented with evidence which can contradict these under the same logic that if evangelism in that locality was first pioneered by a Pentecostal/other Protestant missionary, then we must remain likewise.

In other words, doctrinal interpretation and understanding is heavily influenced by who was the first missionary sent to convert a locality rather than Bible based debate. Pentecostalism spread fast based on this and grew in numbers elsewhere when their missionaries realized this and went into lands where the Gospel was not found or least found beginning with the 20^th century onward. Indeed, even within Protestantism, the Pentecostals targeted an approach of selling the idea of health and prosperity toward the poor and vulnerable in the promise that God wants to give these to them and it worked and made their numbers to spread mightily! [178] Traditional Protestants, Catholics and Orthodox do not cite such promises because we are to follow God regardless if He gives us “health or wealth” as that was beautifully summarised by Apostle St. Paul himself that “he can do all things in Christ” included to “enjoy prosperity as well as accept poverty” meaning there was “no lack of faith” which caused any pendulum to swing from “good health to sickness” nor from “prosperity to poverty” as that can happen to anyone (Philippians 4:11 – 17).

The focus of right Biblical theology to counter the error of Prosperity Gospel is to realize that the aim of the Gospel in the context of money is to be content regardless of being “rich or poor” (Philippians 4:11 – 13) [179] and to be “ready to share with the poor or those in distress” if we have more (Philippians 4:14) [180] which is Charity Doctrine. Indeed, whatever the Bible Warns usually comes true, namely here, it is warned that though many other Churches converted many, but not even one was interested in sharing money with poorer Christians except this Philippians Church (Philippians 4:15 – 16) [181]. So God’s Will in true evangelism is not doing money making business in Church but rather Charity Doctrine with each other after conversion as these Bible Verses describe in a nutshell (Philippians 4:11 – 17) and the Churches which practice that can be called Sola Scriptura in this area of evangelism. Also, the experience based claim of “knowing God” is only true to the extent a person does the commands of God as Christ Taught “who His Friends are” [182] which includes this to command to lay down one’s life for the brethren [183] to emulate “His Love” via “Charity Doctrine” [184] as the visible manifestation of it (all definitions here handled Sola Scriptura with no interpolations even).

In short, all these Bible Verses teach us that Biblical evangelism is only complete with Charity Doctrine. So greater the relationship with God, greater the relative measure in Charity Doctrine. Notice that those Churches that did not share any money with the poor were rich and neither did God nor apostle St. Paul even pronounce any poverty curse to them! So being a selfish rich Christian who is healthy is not proof of God’s approval either and God won’t do anything to remove on this earth but will judge in the Spirit World which can lead to loss of Salvation if serious (Luke 16:19 – 31, Christ’s Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus [185]) or loss of heavenly reward to attain to “fruit” which is “added into an account” (Philippians 4:17) [186] and note that “how much fruits” is what makes the difference between “thirtyfold, sixtyfold and hundredfold” reward levels meaning “Charity Doctrine” can help “increase fruits” toward “hundredfold” for sure [187]. And remember, false prophets are known even within the context of how much they practice these “fruits” too as Christ Warned! [188]

Last but not least, the influence of a Moravian Bishop namely Peter Bohler (31 December 1712 – 27 April 1775) toward the conversion of the great Methodist Churches co-founder John Wesley (28 June 1703 – 2 March 1791) is undeniable. We can read this not from an interpretation but directly from the words of Wesley himself since he kept a journal. Bohler encouraged Wesley early on to “preach faith till you have it” [189].

John Wesley certainly held Bohler in high regard and called him a man with “fruits of a living faith” [190]. Interestingly, Wesley was converted to Christianity during the “Aldersgate Conversion Experience” which happened in a Moravian setting and included even Bohler’s presence and encouragements prior mainly and it impacted him to the point that he visited the Moravians for the next 3 months in Germany [191].

Peter Bohler was a Christian Universalist meaning he did not believe in eternal hell for anyone and probably so did some of the Moravians who were present during Wesley’s “Aldersgate Conversion Experience”. Far from the usual claim that if such Christians were present, they might invite the presence of the “devil” due to the error of “full universalism”, it was there where one of the greatest Protestant founders, John Wesley himself was converted. Why would God choose such a person like Bohler to influence and convert Wesley?

In fact, Bohler’s universalism was well known and the other Methodist Churches’ founder, George Whitefield who is an ardent Calvinist clearly wrote a letter to John Wesley to keep away from Bohler due to the fact that Bohler is a Christian Universalist [192]. Wesley probably knew this all along and it did not bother him much and we can probably see Wesley’s own words in his journal possibly regarding this letter too as follows, to quote:

“1741. Sunday, February 1.—A private letter, written to me by Mr. Whitefield, was printed without either his leave or mine, and a great numbers of copies were given to our people, both at the door and in the Foundry itself. Having procured one of them, I related (after preaching) the naked fact to the congregation and told them, “I will do just what I believe Mr. Whitefield would, were he here himself.” Upon which I tore it in pieces before them all. Everyone who had received it, did the same. So that in two minutes there was not a whole copy left. Saturday,

March 28.—Having heard much of Mr. Whitefield’s unkind behavior, since his return from Georgia, I went to him to hear him speak for himself that I might know how to judge. I much approved of his plainness of speech. He told me that he and I preached two different gospels; and therefore he not only would not join with or give me the right hand of fellowship, but was resolved publicly to preach against me and my brother, wheresoever he preached at all. …

Monday, April 6.—I had a long conversation with Peter Bohler. I marvel how I refrain from joining these men. I scarcely ever see any of them but my heart burns within me. I long to be with them, and yet I am kept from them.

Thursday, May 7.—I reminded the United Society that many of our brethren and sisters had not needful food; many were destitute of convenient clothing; many were out of business, and that without their own fault; and many sick and ready to perish: that I had done what in me lay to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to employ the poor, and to visit the sick; but was not, alone, sufficient for these things; and therefore desired all whose hearts were as my heart: …” [193].

Please take note how even such a highly anointed level in the Holy Spirit preacher (by God’s Grace), John Wesley, writes in his own words above (in his journal) regarding the “unkind attitude of Whitefield”, how he “longs” to be with “Bohler type Moravian Christian Universalists” despite the fact that he knows about it and is supposed to keep away? And how Wesley’s thought next revolved around “Charity Doctrine” which was highly emphasized by the Moravians too. So even the great faith of John Wesley had all these traits and best is, this is not an interpretation but his own words in his own journal.

So if we emulate Wesley’s faith likewise and keep the weaker non elect salvation as a possibility, it seems similar [194], isn’t it? Mysterious indeed.

A possible logic: Since Christians were saved as sinless humans at the start of Millennial Reign with “human bodies” (so we partake of the “Water of Life” then) and at the END of the 1000 years Millennial Reign, if there is a second badge of those nations saved and/or those whom the Bride (Christians now changed into angelic form type) calls out to the thirsty then to take the water of life (after Judgment day results and Lake of Fire/Book of Life Results are revealed even), then these may be saved as terrestrial “human sinless resurrection” bodies only. Can you see it? I repeat, all these are the POSSIBILITIES ONLY (and NOT DOCTRINE as I am NOT 100% sure but I present the evidence).

Notice that there are “7 Seals” in Revelation meaning this Revelation 7’s Water of Life Saved ones happens during “6th Seal” (so Christians resurrection but the other “Water of Life” saved ones happen after the 7th Seal or after Judgment Day or Lake of Fire/Book of Life results are revealed, compare below)

Comparison of “Water/Tree of Life” aspects in Page 49 and 50 – 51. For Chiliasm Prophecy Timeline.

Water/Tree of Life Bible Verses at start of 1000 years Millennial Reign for Christians in human sinless resurrection body (Elect Salvation) during First Resurrection but changed to no more human into angelic at end of this 1000 years when Marriage of Lamb is completed in Old Earth/Heavens.	Water/Tree of Life Bible Verses at end of 1000 years Millennial Reign for non-Christians including fallen Christians in human sinless resurrection body (non-Elect Salvation) during the Second Resurrection in New Earth/Heavens (if this interpretation is true).
“… 15Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. 16They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat; 17for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to [c]living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.” …” (Revelation 7:15 – 17, NKJV) “… 12Along the bank of the river, on this side and that, will grow all kinds of trees used for food; their leaves will not wither, and their fruit will not fail. They will bear fruit every month, because their water flows from the sanctuary. Their fruit will be for food, and their leaves for medicine.” …” (Ezekiel 47:12, NKJV) “…. When it reaches the sea, its waters are healed. 9And it shall be that every living thing that moves, wherever [c]the rivers go, will live. There will be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters go there; for they will be healed, and everything will live wherever the river goes. 10It shall be that fishermen will stand by it from En Gedi to En Eglaim; they will be places for spreading their nets. Their fish will be of the same kinds as the fish of the Great Sea, exceedingly many. 11But its swamps and marshes will not be healed; they will be given over to salt..” …” (Ezekiel 47:8 – 11, NKJV) “… Then the MOON SHALL BE CONFOUNDED, and the SUN ASHAMED, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously. …” (Isaiah 24:24, KJV) “… There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed. …” (Isaiah 65:20, KJV) … 8And IN THAT DAY it shall be That LIVING WATERS shall flow from Jerusalem, Half of them toward [e]the eastern sea And half of them toward [f]the western sea; In both summer and winter it shall occur. 9And the Lord shall be King over all the earth.In that day it shall be— “The Lord is one,” And His name one. … 16And it shall come to pass that everyone WHO IS LEFT of all the NATIONS which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain. …” (Zechariah 14: 4, 8 – 9, 16 – 18, NKJV) Note: One last rebellion of mortals/sinners is at end of this 1000 years who are destroyed by heavenly fire (Revelation 20:7 – 10) and after that “Lake of Fire” Judgment Day begins.	“… 1Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was NO MORE SEA.. … 5There shall be NO NIGHT there: They need no lamp nor light of the SUN, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever. … 5Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I MAKE ALL THINGS NEW.” And He said [b]to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful.” 6And He said to me, “IT[C] IS DONE! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the WATER OF LIFE FREELY TO HIM WHO THIRSTS. 7He WHO OVERCOMES [d]SHALL INHERIT ALL THINGS, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. 8But the cowardly, [e]unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” … 10And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and SHOWED ME THE [H]GREAT CITY, the [I]HOLY JERUSALEM, DESCENDING OUT OF HEAVEN from God, … 22But I saw NO TEMPLE IN IT, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine [l]in it, for the [m]glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. 24And the NATIONS [N]OF THOSE WHO ARE SAVED shall walk in its light, and the KINGS OF THE EARTH bring their glory and honor [o]into it. 25Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there). 26And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into [p]it.” …” (Revelation 21:1, 5 – 8, 10, 22 – 26, NKJV) “… 1And he showed me a [a]pure RIVER of WATER OF LIFE, clear as crystal, proceeding from the THRONE of GOD and of the LAMB. 2In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the TREE OF LIFE, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The LEAVES OF THE TREE WERE FOR THE HEALING OF THE NATIONS … And the SPIRIT and the BRIDE say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And LET HIM WHO THIRSTS COME. Whoever desires, let him TAKE THE WATER OF LIFE FREELY. …” – Blessed Apostle St. John (Revelation 22:1 – 3, 17, NKJV) “…7Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where[b] the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. …” (Revelation 20:7 – 10, NKJV)
Comparison details based on Verses earlier
“…When it reaches the sea, its waters are healed … very great multitude of fish, because these waters go there; …” = Literal Sea still existing on Old Earth	“…1Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was NO MORE SEA.. ….” = The FINAL New Earth has NO MORE SEA
“…15Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple …” = TEMPLE still existing in this Old Earth/Old Heavens	“… 22But I saw NO TEMPLE IN IT, …” = NO TEMPLE in the FINAL New Earth/New Heavens NOR in the FINAL NEW HEAVENLY JERUSALEM CITY
“…and serve Him day and night in His temple. . ..” = NIGHT EXISTS in this earthly Jerusalem City	“… 5There shall be NO NIGHT there …” = NO NIGHT in the FINAL NEW JERUSALEM CITY
“…MOON SHALL BE CONFOUNDED, and the SUN ASHAMED …” = SUN & Moon STILL EXISTS	“…23The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine …” = NO SUN NOR MOON in the FINAL NEW JERUSALEM CITY
“… LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem …” = Earthly Jerusalem	“… SHOWED ME THE [H]GREAT CITY, the [I]HOLY JERUSALEM, DESCENDING OUT OF HEAVEN from God, …” = FINAL NEW HEAVENLY JERUSALEM CITY CONTEXT
“…bank of the river, on this side and that, will grow all kinds of trees used for food …Their fruit will be for food, and their leaves for medicine …” = Earthly Tree/Water of Life used by mortals of millennial reign (allegory, not the real one)	“…The LEAVES OF THE TREE WERE FOR THE HEALING OF THE NATIONS … LET HIM WHO THIRSTS COME. Whoever desires, let him TAKE THE WATER OF LIFE FREELY …” = Heavenly Tree/Water of Life only to be applied to final sinless resurrection body
“…That LIVING WATERS shall flow from Jerusalem, … 16And it shall come to pass that everyone WHO IS LEFT of all the NATIONS …17And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain …” = MORTAL (Sinners) Exist on earth during Millennial Reign “Water of Life” timeline & the Lake of Fire Judgment has not happened yet.	“…5T I will give of the fountain of the WATER OF LIFE FREELY TO HIM WHO THIRSTS. 7He WHO OVERCOMES [d]SHALL INHERIT ALL THINGS, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. 8But the cowardly, [e]unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” …” = NO MORTALS NOR SINNERS on Final New Earth Water of Life timeline as the Lake of Fire results have been revealed.

I repeat: The Elect never seems to LEAVE HEAVEN meaning the NATIONS saved on the FINAL NEW Earth could be NON ELECT SALVATION? (Possibility not doctrine as I am not 100% sure)

as even the BRIDE (Christians, ELECT-the Overcomers, Angelic at this time, Revelation 21:7) who are mentioned differently (in Revelation 21:9 from heaven which they “never leave” meaning it’s their permanent home, Revelation 3:12) seems to CALL the THIRSTY to DRINK the WATER of LIFE FREELY in the LAST CHAPTER of the BIBLE itself (in Revelation 22:17)!

Billy Graham did not speak in tongues links (not in page quoted in image), examples:

https://gabc-archive.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/s011997P.pdf

2) https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=41360&forum=36

Conclusion – Billy Graham example

As per Quote in Image by “Billy Graham”, we prove yet again that believing in a non-Elect Salvation “Possibility” makes “no” one demonic or satanic but just a “human thought even if it turns out to be wrong” unless one claims that ‘God Told him directly about it’ or by ‘Quoting the Most Blessed Holy Spirit of God Directly’ in which case one better be right 100% as only then the level of Judgment for such ‘claims’ risks to be either true or possible Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit (Matthew 12:30 – 32 which is Unforgivable if wrong (Let God Decide) or it could be equivalent to talking “His Name in Vain” (Breaking One of the 10 Commandments, No. 3, Exodus 20:7).

The difference is that many of the Speaking in Tongues type of Charismatic Christianity actually carries a ‘way Greater Risk’ (but they don’t realize it) especially since for almost ‘everything uttered by them’ they like to claim ‘the Holy Spirit told me…’ which God has Warned Against and so could be either the ‘Unforgivable Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit if wrong’ (Matthew 12:30 – 3) or ‘Taking His Name in Vain’ (Breaking the 10 Commandments, No. 3, Exodus 20:7), let God Decide (as Discussed in the starting pages of the #IgnoredChristianDoctrineBook), to quote some key parts:

“… 31Behold, I am AGAINST THE PROPHETS,” says the Lord, “WHO USE THEIR TONGUES AND SAY, ‘HE SAYS.’ 32Behold, I am against those who prophesy false dreams,” says the Lord, “and tell them, and cause MY PEOPLE to ERR BY THEIR LIES AND BY THEIR RECKLESSNESS. Yet I did not send them or command them; therefore they shall not profit this people at all,” says the Lord. 33“So when these people or the prophet or the priest ask you, saying, ‘What is the [h]oracle of the Lord?’ you shall then say to them, [i]‘What oracle?’ I WILL EVEN FORSAKE YOU,” says the Lord. 34“And AS FOR THE PROPHET and THE PRIEST and the people who say, ‘The [j]oracle of the Lord!’ I WILL EVEN PUNISH THAT MAN AND HIS HOUSE. …” (Jeremiah 23:31 – 34, NKJV)

Comments:

1. If a Prophet which claimed ‘… God told me …’ really heard from God, you and he are safe.

2. However if a Prophet which claimed ‘… God told me …’ actually did “not” hear from God, you and he are may be in Danger of “… I WILL EVEN FORSAKE YOU …” and “… I WILL EVEN PUNISH THAT MAN AND HIS HOUSE. …” respectively as the Verses above Reveal.

Solution to counter such “arrogance”?

If a man say ‘his own opinion as oracle’ (implied can be wrong too), these Bible Verses continue and Reveal that he may “not” be punished because ‘his own word is his oracle’ meaning God’s Name was “not” taken in Vain but just Human error where the opposite of taking His Name Vain in this is ‘not’ a temporary shame but a “PERPETUAL / EVERLASTING REPROACH / SHAME” (so is it really worth the risk?) as these Same Verses in Jeremiah earlier, continue consecutively next regarding this same Topic, same Context as follows:

“… 36And the [k]ORACLE OF THE LORD YOU SHALL MENTION NO MORE. For EVERY MAN’S WORD WILL BE HIS ORACLE, for you have perverted the words of the living God, the Lord of hosts, our God. 37Thus you shall say to the prophet, ‘What has the Lord answered you?’ and, ‘What has the Lord spoken?’ 38But since you say, ‘The [l]oracle of the Lord!’ therefore thus says the Lord: ‘Because you say this word, “The oracle of the Lord!” and I have sent to you, saying, “Do not say, ‘The oracle of the Lord!’ ” 39therefore behold, I, even I, WILL UTTERLY FORGET YOU and FORSAKE YOU, and the city that I gave you and your fathers, and will cast you out of My presence. 40And I WILL BRING AN EVERLASTING REPROACH UPON YOU, AND A PERPETUAL SHAME, WHICH SHALL NOT BE FORGOTTEN.’ ” …” (Jeremiah 23:36 – 40, NKJV)

Just like us, if they could have just quoted “we think it’s possible” (showing that we have human opinions which we are not sure if it’s true or not and so we don’t build a doctrine around it but a possibility only even if wrong, I see no risks) as this case of even Blessed Billy Graham (considered the Greatest Evangelist of the modern time) proves so clearly in the following pages next in his own words regarding non-Elect Salvation Possibility for some non-Christians (where video recordings etc. are shown by Christians themselves of him saying all that, so it’s an irrefutable proof and not lies). Can you see it?

Non-Elect Salvation Possibility – Blessed Billy Graham affirmed Hope for good non-Christians too

Example Video: https://youtu.be/drt5VPfnnms

Indeed, late in life, the World Famous Evangelist Blessed Billy Graham himself affirmed that good non-Christians may be Saved (which we understand to be a ‘Non-Elect Salvation’ as we have discussed with First Christianity quotes from Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons to the Shepherd of Hermas Scripture or even St. Athanasius the Great in this #SafeRouteScripturallyBook in Pages 220 to 240, Pages 478 – 483 and Pages 591 to 604.

So, isn’t Blessed Billy Graham one of the most profoundly Anointed Man of God in all of Modern Protestantism?

Is he going to be hearing ‘I never knew you’ or is he revealing Deep Truths from Holy Scripture as he understood it as well from the Bible for example regarding the Mysterious surprised sheep as Matthew 25:31 – 46 describes literally?

As usual, some protestants affirm that Blessed Billy Graham and all Roman Catholics & other denominations of Christianity are going to an eternal Hell too, example in link below:

https://reformationcharlotte.org/2018/12/04/that-time-billy-graham-preached-universalism-and-became-a-heretic

Here’s an example quote from link above:

“… Billy Graham was undoubtedly an ecumenicalist as he praised the pope as his “brother” and treated Roman Catholicism as a valid expression of the Christian faith. Speaking of Pope John Paul II after his death, Graham stated, I think he’s with the Lord, because he believed. He believed in the Cross. That was his focus throughout his ministry, the Cross, no matter if you were talking to him from personal issue or an ethical problem, he felt that there was the answer to all of our problems, the cross and the resurrection. And he was a strong believer. …”

No Verse in the Bible condemns Christ Centered Universalism as Hoping and Praying for it is God’s Will (1 Timothy 2:1, 1 Timothy 2:4, 1 Timothy 2:6, 1 Timothy 4:10) and thus even if God Decides Eternal-Hell, we can Petition for it and God can Decide into the ages to come whether to let His Mercy to Triumph and End any Judgment Sentence (James 2:13, Romans 11:30 – 32) as that’s what a Christian ought to Try Always & it’s not a Heresy for His Sons to Ask into the ages to come too (Ephesians 2:7), example First Christianity quote:

“… and yet to recognize that His kingdom is ETERNAL, that is to say, the kingdom of the Son, for in the Name of Jesus EVERY KNEE shakes in HEAVEN, on the EARTH, and IN HELL. (Philip. 2) The Apostle St. Peter confirms this truth when he says:” No other name under heaven was given to MEN by which we were to BE SAVED.” (Acts 4) And did not the Lord Himself say to His disciples, “Until now you have not asked anything in my name, ask and I will answer you?” (John. 16:24) The REIGN of the Son therefore consists in the fact that it is in HIS NAME that ALL MEN are SAVED, and that ALL the PRAYERS addressed to Him until the end of the world are ANSWERED. But when ALL CREATURES have confessed Jesus Christ WILLINGLY or by FORCE, and have been subjected to the power against which they have resisted, then the MYSTERY of ONE GOD will be REVEALED to ALL MEN, and all thanksgivings will go back to God the Father, the principle of all things, that ALL PREACHING CEASE, ONE GOD be recognized in the MYSTERY of the TRINITY. … ” – Blessed Ambrosiaster (literally in Latin: “would-be Ambrose”), Roman Clergy active at Rome during the reign of Pope Damasus (c.366 AD – c. 384 AD) (Written c. 366 – c. 384, Reply to Question 26, Commentary on the Gospel of Luke)Source:

https://sites.google.com/site/aquinasstudybible/home/luke-commentary/ambrosiaster-questions-and-answers-on-the-gospel-of-luke

Conclusion – What did Blessed Billy Graham believe as Christian Faith?

To quote:

Quote 1—Are Muslims and Buddhists Saved? (an Interview with Robert Schuller)

Schuller: Tell me, what do you think is the future of Christianity?

Graham: Well, Christianity and being a true believer, you know, I think there’s the body of Christ, which comes from all the Christian groups around the world, or outside the Christian groups. I think everybody that loves Christ, or knows Christ, whether they’re conscious of it or not, they’re members of the body of Christ. And I don’t think that we’re going to see a great sweeping revival that will turn the whole world to Christ at any time. I think James answered that, the apostle James in the first council in Jerusalem, when he said that God’s purpose for this age is to call out a people for His name. And that’s what God is doing today, He’s calling people out of the world for His name, whether they come from the Muslim world, or the Buddhist world, or the Christian world or the nonbelieving world, they are members of the body of Christ because they’ve been called by God. They may not even know the name of Jesus but they know in their hearts that they need something that they don’t have, and they turn to the only light that they have, and I think that they are saved, and that they’re going to be with us in heaven.

Schuller: What I hear you saying is that it’s possible for Jesus Christ to come into human hearts and soul and life even if they’ve been born in darkness and never had an exposure to the Bible. Is that a correct interpretation of what you are saying?

Graham: Yes, it is because I believe that. I’ve met people in various parts of the world in tribal situations, that they have never seen a Bible or heard about a Bible, and never heard of Jesus, but they’ve believed in their hearts that there was a God, and they’ve tried to live a life that was quite apart from the surrounding community in which they lived.

Schuller: That’s fantastic, I’m so thrilled to hear you say that, there’s a wideness in God’s mercy.

Graham: There is. There definitely is.

Quote 2—Salvation without Christ? (an Interview with McCall’s Magazine)

I used to play God, but I can’t do that anymore. I used to believe pagans in far-off countries were lost—were going to hell—if they did not have the Gospel of Jesus Christ preached to them. I no longer believe that. . . . I believe there are other ways of recognizing the existence of God—through nature, for instance—and plenty of other opportunities, therefore, of saying “yes” to God. (Graham later clarified what he meant here.).

Note: Blessed Billy Graham does not believe in other ways of Salvation but only through Christ but Christ can Save them where even He did not Scatter the Seed of the Gospel too as Matthew 25:24 and Matthew 25:26 Reveals (i. e. Possibly the ‘Non-Elect Salvation’ both Blessed Origen and Blessed St. Jerome of the Vulgate have affirmed too) as opposed to the Christian Seed Salvation (i. e. the ‘Elect Salvation’ as it is described in the Parable of the Sower, Matthew 13:1 -8, Matthew 13:18 – 30).

“… Also, by this which this servant dared to say, “Thou reapest where thou sowedst not,” [Matthew 25:26] we understand that the Lord accepts the good life of the Gentiles and of the Philosophers. …” – Blessed St. Jerome of the Vulgate, Doctor of the Church who did the First Official Translation of the Bible out of Its Original Languages into Latin, Priest, Confessor, Secretary to Pope Damasus I (c. 347 AD – c. 420 AD)

Source [ Patristic Bible Commentary, Catena Aurea, Matthew 25:14 – 30, P. 853 ]:

https://sites.google.com/site/aquinasstudybible/home/matthew-commentary/catena-aurea-on-matthew/chapter-1/chapter-2/chapter-3/chapter-4/chapter-5/chapter-6/chapter-7/chapter-8/chapter-9/chapter-10/chapter-11/chapter-12/chapter-13/chapter-14/chapter-15/chapter-16/chapter-17/chapter-18/chapter-19/chapter-20/chapter-21/chapter-22/chapter-23/chapter-24/chapter-25

This is an example of “Doctrinal Possibility” because a First Christianity Quote like this was ‘Recorded’ hence was believed by ‘some early Christians or Church Fathers even’.

Quote 3—Should We Link America with the Kingdom of God?

Speaking as an American himself, Graham said: I came close to identifying the American way of life with the kingdom of God. Then I realized that God had called me to a higher kingdom than America. I have tried to be faithful to my calling as a minister of the gospel.4

The above is a short excerpt from ReGrace with the endnotes removed. The rest of the quotes by Graham — including clarifying remarks he made about some of them — are included in the book.

To order the book, go to ReGrace: What the Shocking Beliefs of the Great Christians Can Teach Us Today.

Here is the Back Cover Description:

The church is tired of seeing Christians act ungraciously toward one another when they disagree. Social media has added to the carnage. Christians routinely block each other on Facebook because of doctrinal disagreements. The world watches the blood-letting, and the Christian witness is tarnished.

But what if every Christian discovered that their favorite teacher in church history had blind spots and held to some false–and even shocking–views?

Bestselling author Frank Viola argues that this simple awareness will soften Christians when they interact with each other in the face of theological disagreements.

In ReGrace, he uncovers some of the shocking beliefs held by faith giants like C.S. Lewis, Luther, Calvin, Moody, Spurgeon, Wesley, Graham, and Augustine–not to downgrade or dismiss them, but to show that even “the greats” in church history didn’t get everything right.

Knowing that the heroes of our faith sometimes got it wrong will empower us to treat our fellow Christians with grace rather than disdain whenever we disagree over theology.

Source: https://www.patheos.com/blogs/frankviola/billygraham/

Did St. Justin Martyr believe in NON-ELECT SALVATION for SLAVES/SERVANT RANKINGS?

“… Attend therefore to what I say. The marriages of Jacob were types of that which Christ was about to accomplish. For it was not lawful for Jacob to marry two sisters at once. And he serves Laban for [one of] the daughters; and being deceived in [the obtaining of] the younger, he again served seven years. Now Leah is your people and synagogue; but Rachel is our Church. And for these, and for the servants in both, Christ even now serves. For while Noah gave to the two sons the seed of the third as servants, now on the other hand Christ has come to restore both the free sons and the servants among them, conferring the same honour on all of them who keep His commandments; even as the children of the free women and the children of the bond women born to Jacob were all sons, and equal in dignity. And it was foretold what each should be according to rank and according to fore-knowledge. Jacob served Laban for speckled and many-spotted sheep; and Christ served, even to the slavery of the cross, for the various and many-formed races of mankind, acquiring them by the blood and mystery of the cross. Leah was weak-eyed; for the eyes of your souls are excessively weak. Rachel stole the gods of Laban, and has hid them to this day; and we have lost our paternal and material gods. Jacob was hated for all time by his brother; and we now, and our Lord Himself, are hated by you and by all men, though we are brothers by nature. Jacob was called Israel; and Israel has been demonstrated to be the Christ, who is, and is called, Jesus.…” – Blessed St. Justin of Rome (St. Justin Martyr), a Great Early Christian Apologist who is a Foremost Exponent of the Divine Word, who Influenced Virtually all of subsequent Christian philosophy and Catholic theology, Martyr for Christ, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church (c. 100AD – c. 160 AD, Dialogue with Trypho the Jew, (Chapter 134)) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/01289.htm

i) Salvation Rank of Elect Salvation here

“… but Rachel is our Church. And for these [Church, implied in comparison of] servants in both , … Christ even now serves. For while Noah gave to the two sons … now on the other hand Christ has come to restore both the free sons …, conferring the same honour on all of them who keep His commandments; even as the children of the free women …. And it was foretold what each should be according to rank and according to fore-knowledge. …” – Blessed St. Justin of Rome

ii) Salvation Rank of Non Elect Salvation here

“… Now Leah is your people and synagogue; …, and for the servants in both, Christ even now serves. … the seed of the third as servants, … and the servants among them, conferring the same honour on all of them who keep His commandments… and the children of the bond women born to Jacob were all sons, and equal in dignity. And it was foretold what each should be according to rank and according to fore-knowledge. …” – Blessed St. Justin of Rome

Comments:

1. Please notice carefully that St. Justin Martyr points to possibly NON ELECT SALVATION of SERVANT RANKS existing in both the CHURCH and SYNAGOGUE in his phrase above “… servants in both …” allegorically who could be the “SHEEP of the OTHER FOLD” (John 10:16) meaning that NOT all those inside the CHURCH even will attain to becoming SONS (or Elect Salvation) meaning these SERVANTS end up being NON ELECT SALVATION only (if I am reading him right, can you see it?)

2. I am not alone in claiming this as the next quote below by Blessed St. Gregory Nazianzus, the Second Great Greek Doctor of the Church seems to mean the same:

[From Pages 198 onward ofthe #DialoguesBook]

“… XIII. I know of three classes among the saved; the slaves, the hired servants, the sons. If you are a slave, be afraid of the whip; if you are a hired servant, look only to receive your hire; if you are more than this, a son, revere Him as a Father, and work that which is good, because it is good to obey a Father; and even though no reward should come of it for you, this is itself a reward, that you please your Father. Let us then take care not to despise these things. How absurd it would be to grasp at money and throw away health; and to be lavish of the cleansing of the body, but economical over the cleansing of the soul; and to seek for freedom from earthly slavery, but not to care about heavenly freedom; and to make every effort to be splendidly housed and dressed, but to have never a thought how you yourself may become really very precious; and to be zealous to do good to others, without any desire to do good to yourself. And if good could be bought, you would spare no money; but if mercy is freely at your feet, you despise it for its cheapness. Every time is suitable for your ablution, since any time may be your death. With Paul I shout to you with that loud voice, Behold now is the accepted time; behold Now is the day of salvation; 2 Corinthians 6:2 and that Now does not point to any one time, but is every present moment. …” – Blessed St. Gregory Nazianzus, the Second Great Greek Doctor of the Church, also known as Gregory the Theologian or Gregory Nazianzen, Archbishop of Constantinople, Theologian, Doctor of the Church, Great Hierarch, Cappadocian Father, Ecumenical Teacher, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church (c. 329 AD – c. 390 AD, Oration 40, Point 13, The Oration on Holy Baptism) Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/310240.htm

Chiliasm Timeline can possibly be matched as follows:

Son (Matthew 25:1 –13) = Elect Salvation (First Resurrection, Thirty, Sixty, Hundredfold)

Servant (Matthew 25:14 – 30) = NON-Elect Salvation for Jews (Second Resurrection)

Slave (Matthew 25:31 – 46) = NON-Elect Salvation for Gentiles & Fallen Christians (Second Resurrection) *Note: First Resurrection (Revelation 20:4 – 6) and Second Resurrection (Revelation 20:11 – 15) are separated by 1000 years.

LORD JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF seem to extend the “SAME PORTION” toward “UNBELIEVERS” too meaning the ‘same portion with UNBELIEVERS’ phrase in Verses below can indicate that these could be also some type of NON Elect Salvation Possibility for UNBELIEVERS likewise, if interpolated]:

So we can ask but let God Decide.

Details for Chiliasm Timeline can possibly be matched as follows:

1) Son (Matthew 25:1 –13) = Elect Salvation (First Resurrection, Thirty, Sixty, Hundredfold)

“… 1“Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish. 3Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them, 4but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. 5But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept. 6“And at midnight a cry was heard: ‘Behold, the bridegroom [a]is coming; go out to meet him!’ 7Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps. 8And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ 9But the wise answered, saying, ‘No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.’ 10And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut. 11“Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open to us!’ 12But he answered and said, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.’ 13“Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour [b]in which the Son of Man is coming. …” – The GREATEST ONE, The ONLY KING, GOD in FLESH, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 25:1 – 13, NKJV)

Source: https://biblehub.com/nkjv/matthew/25.htm

2) Servant (Matthew 25:14 – 30) = NON-Elect Salvation for Jews (Second Resurrection)

“…14“For the kingdom of heaven is like a man traveling to a far country, who called his own servants and delivered his goods to them. 15And to one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one, to each according to his own ability; and immediately he went on a journey. 16Then he who had received the five talents went and traded with them, and made another five talents. 17And likewise he who had received two gained two more also. 18But he who had received one went and dug in the ground, and hid his lord’s money. 19After a long time the lord of those servants came and settled accounts with them.

20“So he who had received five talents came and brought five other talents, saying, ‘Lord, you delivered to me five talents; look, I have gained five more talents besides them.’ 21His lord said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant; you were faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.’ 22He also who had received two talents came and said, ‘Lord, you delivered to me two talents; look, I have gained two more talents besides them.’ 23His lord said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant; you have been faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.’

24“Then he who had received the one talent came and said, ‘Lord, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you have not sown, and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25And I was afraid, and went and hid your talent in the ground. Look, there you have what is yours.’

26“But his lord answered and said to him, ‘You wicked and lazy servant, you knew that I reap where I have not sown, and gather where I have not scattered seed. 27So you ought to have deposited my money with the bankers, and at my coming I would have received back my own with interest. 28So take the talent from him, and give it to him who has ten talents.

29‘For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. 30And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ …” – The GREATEST ONE, The ONLY KING, GOD in FLESH, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 25:14 – 30, NKJV)

Source: https://biblehub.com/nkjv/matthew/25.htm

3) Slave (Matthew 25:31 – 46) = NON-Elect Salvation for Gentiles & Fallen Christians (Second Resurrection)

“… 31“When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the [c]holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

37“Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’

41“Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

44“Then they also will answer [d]Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”…” – The GREATEST ONE, The ONLY KING, GOD in FLESH, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 25:31 – 46, NKJV)

Source: https://biblehub.com/nkjv/matthew/25.htm

*Note: First Resurrection (Revelation 20:4 – 6) and Second Resurrection (Revelation 20:11 – 15) are separated by 1000 years.

i. First Resurrection

“… 4And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for [a]a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years. …”

(Revelation 20:4 – 6, NKJV)

Source: https://biblehub.com/nkjv/revelation/20.htm

ii. Second Resurrection

“…7Now when the thousand years have expired, … 11Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before [c]God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second [d]death. 15And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. …”

(Revelation 20:7, 11 – 15, NKJV)

Source: https://biblehub.com/nkjv/revelation/20.htm

Possible, isn’t it? Let God Decide.

Could SERVANTS RANK of SALVATION be NON ELECT SALVATION (because it is NOT the BRIDE of the LAMB which is ELECT SALVATION in comparison)?

i) Salvation Rank of Elect Salvation here FOR SONS

“… 15And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. … 1Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was NO MORE SEA.. ” … Come, I will show you the [g]BRIDE, the LAMB’S WIFE.” 10And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and SHOWED ME THE [H]GREAT CITY, the [I]HOLY JERUSALEM, DESCENDING OUT OF HEAVEN from God, …” – Blessed Apostle St. John (Revelation 20: 15, 21:1, 9 – 10, NKJV)

ii) Salvation Rank of Non Elect Salvation here FOR SERVANTS

“…. 1And he showed me a [a]pure RIVER of WATER OF LIFE, clear as crystal, proceeding from the THRONE of GOD and of the LAMB. … 3And there shall be NO MORE CURSE, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him. 4They shall see His face, and His name shall be on their foreheads. 5There shall be NO NIGHT there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever. …” – Blessed Apostle St. John (Revelation 22:3 – 5, 17, NKJV)

iii) Salvation Rank of Non Elect Salvation here FOR SLAVES with NO RULING RANKINGS

“…24And the NATIONS [N]OF THOSE WHO ARE SAVED shall walk in its light, and the KINGS OF THE EARTH bring their glory and honor [o]into it. 25Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there). 26And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into [p]it. 27But there shall by no means enter it anything [q]that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but ONLY THOSE WHO ARE WRITTEN IN THE LAMB’S BOOK OF LIFE.. … 1And he showed me a [a]pure RIVER of WATER OF LIFE, clear as crystal, proceeding from the THRONE of GOD and of the LAMB. 2In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the TREE OF LIFE, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The LEAVES OF THE TREE WERE FOR THE HEALING OF THE NATIONS. 3And there shall be NO MORE CURSE,. … And the SPIRIT and the BRIDE say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And LET HIM WHO THIRSTS COME. Whoever desires, let him TAKE THE WATER OF LIFE FREELY. …” – Blessed Apostle St. John (Revelation 21:24 – 27, Revelation 22:1 – 3, 17, NKJV)

the next same quote given at the start by Blessed St. Gregory Nazianzus, the Second Great Greek Doctor of the Church seems to mean the same (put back here for comparison):[From Pages 198 onward ofthe #DialoguesBook]

“… XIII. I know of three classes among the saved; the slaves, the hired servants, the sons. If you are a slave, be afraid of the whip; if you are a hired servant, look only to receive your hire; if you are more than this, a son, revere Him as a Father, and work that which is good, because it is good to obey a Father; and even though no reward should come of it for you, this is itself a reward, that you please your Father. Let us then take care not to despise these things. How absurd it would be to grasp at money and throw away health; and to be lavish of the cleansing of the body, but economical over the cleansing of the soul; and to seek for freedom from earthly slavery, but not to care about heavenly freedom; and to make every effort to be splendidly housed and dressed, but to have never a thought how you yourself may become really very precious; and to be zealous to do good to others, without any desire to do good to yourself. And if good could be bought, you would spare no money; but if mercy is freely at your feet, you despise it for its cheapness. Every time is suitable for your ablution, since any time may be your death. With Paul I shout to you with that loud voice, Behold now is the accepted time; behold Now is the day of salvation; 2 Corinthians 6:2 and that Now does not point to any one time, but is every present moment. And again Awake, you that sleep, and Christ shall give you light, Ephesians 5:14 dispelling the darkness of sin. For as Isaiah says, In the night hope is evil, and it is more profitable to be received in the morning. …” – Blessed St. Gregory Nazianzus, the Second Great Greek Doctor of the Church, also known as Gregory the Theologian or Gregory Nazianzen, Archbishop of Constantinople, Theologian, Doctor of the Church, Great Hierarch, Cappadocian Father, Ecumenical Teacher, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church (c. 329 AD – c. 390 AD, Oration 40, Point 13, The Oration on Holy Baptism) Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/310240.htm

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2) “Christian Founders Ministry Powerpoint” (Founders PPT – Done as of 2 June 2024)

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1qnT4GtEV_1lUpGLZsMbCf1jRKqcRp3lL/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=117647441539375745387&rtpof=true&sd=true

3) “Redemption PPT” – 290 Slides Free Powerpoint Link discussing variety of topics (Done as of April 2024):

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1C3FZh5AFL2aNDy9s7TA0TphwmF7dBbpP/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103161103828141436650&rtpof=true&sd=true

4) Link for #CharacterPPT :

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Zh8k-BytwOk9ILZK9rs9q3XeROhD_6oL/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=118355506267983381053&rtpof=true&sd=true

5) Link for #MiscellaneousPPT:

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1vjhg1jLRbDlrmvTQWt8W8iVsmQ64BxCT/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=118355506267983381053&rtpof=true&sd=true

0) New Book Titled Last Book – Possibilities and Dangers of Doctrine Free PDF download clickable link (link for other books in last page of this book):

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wjDRr6lzDQ-4D60J8sqmDH-S60tCqQIR/view?usp=sharing

A Summary about me (as of 26 October 2023 when the #LastBook book was compiled).

More regarding my beliefs: https://www.anonymouschristian.org/

Regarding my music: All songs were composed & recorded between 2013 to 2016 but only released now (most raw, not mixed, not mastered, sorry) due to financial circumstances. Original Songs by Jonathan (YouTube Playlist Link):

18. Beautiful Reason – Done (Mastered)19. God Wins – Done (Mastered)20. Son of God – Done (Mastered)21. The Answer I – Done (Mastered)22. Apocatastasis23. The Gospel 24. Christ is Born I25. The One26. He

9. When You – Done (Mastered) 10. Better Than11. Just God 12. Jesus in You I – Done (Mastered) 13. Free14. Home I – Done (Mastered)15. You Are God16. Chris† is Risen17. Heaven

List – Jonathan Christian Songs1. Saviour of the World I – Done (Mastered)2. Rest in You – Done (Mastered)3. The Greatest Story Ever Told4. Heaven’s Only King5. God of the Fatherless6. You Are 7. First 8. Saviour of the World II9. When You – Done (Mastered)saas

37. Forgiven38. Remember39. Tired40. The Day of the Lord41. Jesus

32. You33. Your Name34. Christ is Born II35. Jesus in You II (Acoustic)36. He is Risen

27. The Anthem of the Redeemed28. The Promise29. Worship30. Walk with Jesus31. God is Love

9) Vanity10) Walking11) Whisper12) Why are you not married?13) Bolehlah (One Word Song Musical)14) Master15) Wish – Done (Mastered)16) Lost Without You – Done (Mastered)

List – Jonathan Secular Songs1) Time2) Battle Cry3) Your Song4) Redemption5) Feelings6) Folk Song7) Rock8) Sad

Note: some songs I have already put up on YouTube while others I might do soon as I find time, God Willing. Christians songs are for God while secular songs are for fun! Thank you!

Example Powerpoint Slide.

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Slide 6 in #MiscellaneousPPT – Hardest theological topic of all: Is there NON-ELECT SALVATION or not? This is a POSSIBILITY NOT DOCTRINE since I cannot be sure. Non-Elect Salvation (if true) is for “fallen Christians” and “some non-Christians” who get “saved by [Lake of] Fire” (1 Corinthians 3:15), maybe “Lake of Fire” since it’s ‘future Final Judgment Fire’ revealed on that day (1 Corinthians 3:13) since they did some Commands of Christ (1 Corinthians 3:11) but NOT to any “reward-level” which is different (1 Corinthians 3:14)? What did CHRIST mean when He Said “It is Finished” (John 19:30)? Because He Says something similar “It is DONE!” more than 3000 years later (since 1000 years is Millennial Reign after resurrection even) while this is AFTER JUDGMENT DAY on FINAL NEW EARTH & FINAL NEW HEAVENS in Revelation 21:6 which seems to show three classes namely “His Bride (Christians/Overcomers/His Sons, Revelation)”, the “THIRSTY given the WATER of LIFE FREELY” and the DAMNED in Lake of Fire in that FINAL Scene.

In the last chapter of the Bible, we find an intriguing PROPHECY where AT THAT TIME, HIS BRIDE (Church/Christians) call out to “others to take water of life freely?” in Revelation 22:17 so could they be NON-ELECT SALVATION where some of them NEVER get to VISIT even LOWEST HEAVEN (New Jerusalem City) which connects to that FINAL EARTH where these NATIONS are SAVED (Revelation 21:24 – 27) who are mentioned DIFFERENTLY from the BRIDE in this same chapter (Revelation 21:9) & these SAVED NATIONS get HEALING from LEAVES of TREE of LIFE (Revelation 22:2) but BRIDE already SAVED 1000 years earlier in FIRST RESURRECTION (Revelation 20:4 – 6) via MARRIAGE of the LAMB (Revelation 19:7 – 9) in comparison? Similarly, I have shown in #RedemptionPPT, #IBSPPT and #FoundersPPT & free pdfs for example Slide 267 in #REDEMPTIONPPT that it could be that there are two groups receiving the “water of life” for those saved in “human resurrected body” but are “1000 years apart” (Revelation 7 vs Revelation 21:6, Revelation 22:17) but the BRIDE/CHRISTIANS change into ANGELIC as per CHILIASM CHURCH FATHERS PROPHECY of NO MORE FLESH and BLOOD (see PPTs for prophecy quotes for this as PROPHECY in Scripture is NOT of private interpretation) based on 1 Corinthians 15:50 – 52 to ENTER FINAL HEAVEN. This means those NATIONS saved in HUMAN FORM (“terrestrial resurrection bodies”) different from BRIDE’s (“celestial Resurrection body”) as 1 Corinthians 15:40 could mean this. Isaiah 49:9 – 10 seem to PROPHESY that some FORGIVEN-formerly-DISOBEDIENT ones from DARKNESS given possibly “Water of Life” ON FINAL NEW EARTH at that future time which can link to BRIDE calling to GIVE WATER of LIFE FREELY as Revelation 22:17 echoes.

All these sounds nice and probable but whether accurate or not only GOD knows but SOME of both CHILIASM and NON-CHILIASM CHURCH FATHERS seemed to have NON ELECT SALVATION quotes generally which could be surviving remnants of such thought or is it just plain mislead? LET GOD DECIDE as I present the EVIDENCE HONESTLY.

Too much of Verses and details for this so please view POWERPOINTS & PDFS carefully and STUDY for yourself as own attempt at PROPHECY has NO CONDEMNATION if admitted like this as GOD allows in Jeremiah 23:36 but EVERLASTING (Olam Shame/Judgement) if claim GOD told me so but WRONG PROPHECY (Jeremiah 23:37 – 40) so again in this we LEAD NO ONE to HELL even if WRONG on this as it’s done BIBLICALLY respecting God’s Word. Maybe “FEW” saved into FINAL heaven as ELECT SALVATION (Matthew 7:13 – 14) but MANY saved later by FIRE too on FINAL NEW EARTH (Matthew 20:28, Christ’s Ransom for MANY) via BELIEVING AFTER SEEING (John 6:40). Shalom

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Reflection

Martin Luther rephrased means that justification comes by faith alone but the faith which saves is never alone and is accompanied by good works. Missions is obligatory for every Christian based on the Great Commission but it’s not just about converting to Christianity as Christ also Said to “teach them to observe all that I commanded you” (Matthew 28:20) which includes His holiness commands, His Charity Doctrine commands, both of which are found in the Gospels and the third is His “Written” New Testament Tradition commands (1 Corinthians 14:37) which was taught in every church (2 Thessalonians 2:15) and not the Corinthians only (1 Corinthians 4:17). Crowning and higher final rewards require us to follow New Testament rules (2 Timothy 2:5) and reward is not based on number of converts only which is lower stars level glory but accuracy or insight even into prophecy and doctrine which if more accurate, shines as heavens level glory in comparison as Daniel 12:3 reveals. Relative measure sets in as “more is given, more is required” (Luke 12:48) to attain to final reward or get a beating as Christ Taught also that a poor widow’s giving of love with 2 coins (Luke 21:1 – 3) which may not have tangible effects compared to rich’s giving which fed many but yet He Said she gave more and so merits more treasure in heaven and reveals her heart of love in Luke 12:33 – 34 (so analogy of almost no conversion but accuracy versus many conversion but lesser accuracy).

Here’s a list of my writings and research on various topic and comments added:

Important Note: Though sometimes I write in a way that may give the feel that “possibility” might just be true and refute the ideas against it, it does NOT necessarily mean I am “right” simply because I am well aware that I can be misinterpreting (but in light of these First Christianity quotes, I also could be right) and that’s why I present all this honestly as a “possibility” only either way and accept whichever God Reveals as Right One Day. Here are links for free pdf download for all these books:

i) #DialoguesBook https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZDghJN2eq7MyygtUpbNVFW—LGorSMv/view?usp=share_link

ii) #BibleandChurchFathersQuoteBook https://drive.google.com/file/d/1__t7iB0HZsI4P6dqXAxxBjk_WnC1J2wb/view?usp=share_link

iii) #SafeRouteScripturallyBook

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HUXXa2kgpImEpVWFg4AN0SBc0x4ulSLn/view?usp=share_link

iv) #EternalHellAnnihilationUniversalismBook

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1N5bK-LoBAg4VQN8eLtVWsqkQyoGE0Ad_/view?usp=sharing

v) #MysteryoftheKingdomofHeavenBook

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-zX7XgzguBYHkXWucUZ6xfMInbwtj0Z3/view?usp=share_link

vi) #Edu4LifeBook

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XZDENeSl6mNPi6hyfGqvzBJCBlzAoqM9/view?usp=share_link

vii) #ChiliasmBook

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IzLcp1E-YoDtpAGY9qfnLeCL7ojc6-nj/view?usp=sharing

viii) #DoctrineBook or #BookofDoctrine

https://drive.google.com/file/d/12QmUFyND5rTAZo4jT5M_qRAukf-hnRBD/view?usp=sharing

ix) #MyCV15Oct2023

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wkVRrNxO2XSsy-YbyNWuCbuA5aLl3yeV/view?usp=sharing

x) #LastBook
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wjDRr6lzDQ-4D60J8sqmDH-S60tCqQIR/view?usp=sharing End. 8/8/2024. Thank you.

Links for my free YouTube Christian Songs

YouTube Links Jonathan Christian Songs

1. (#JonathanChristianSong1): Saviour of the World

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/JrX9D47KsHc

2. (#JonathanChristianSong2): Rest in You

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/z6roJ7_YNJY

3. (#JonathanChristianSong3): The Greatest Story Ever Told

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/tKRJvujGmxg

4. (#JonathanChristianSong4): Heaven’s Only King

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/Vfw00q_3e4E

5. (#JonathanChristianSong5): God of the Fatherless

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/diLoh50o_-g

6. (#JonathanChristianSong6): You Are

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/l0f_ZPFWemM

7. (#JonathanChristianSong7): First

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/nyxDyimO-bo

8. (#JonathanChristianSong8): Saviour of the World II

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/gxho4cinzV4

9. (#JonathanChristianSong9): When You

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/N4XPn335buc

10.(#JonathanChristianSong10): Better Than

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/UJDTAC_0rB8

11.(#JonathanChristianSong11): Just God

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/116dkw3iPvg

12. (#JonathanChristianSong12): Jesus in You

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/h9XRnX2iOwM

13. (#JonathanChristianSong13): Free

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/INc-XHQtdrs

14. (#JonathanChristianSong14): Home

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/ZEftvhY1Xls

15. (#JonathanChristianSong15): You are God

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/f4FdmiAFppQ

16. (#JonathanChristianSong16): Christ is Risen

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/UgBcIDOrViE

17. (#JonathanChristianSong17): Heaven

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/D2dK-ACgcNA

18. (#JonathanChristianSong18): Beautiful Reason

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/VlhjcTpxB_k

19. (#JonathanChristianSong19): God Wins

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/PKWcwdV00WM

20. (#JonathanChristianSong20): The Answer I

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/hdnpWIea540

21. (#JonathanChristianSong21): Son of God

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/whsdRkx5iBI

22. (#JonathanChristianSong22): Apocatastasis

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/ZBV5AW2uAQM

23. (#JonathanChristianSong23): The Gospel

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/ZUJtkKcfVzA

24. (#JonathanChristianSong24): Christ is Born

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/8fiD-muVL8s

25. (#JonathanChristianSong25): The One

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/GthdVN0Wbc4

26. (#JonathanChristianSong26): He

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/dci5Y27iaw8

27. (#JonathanChristianSong27): The Anthem of the Redeemed

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/7h5gJkK5V7s

28. (#JonathanChristianSong28): The Promise

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/0zm9Gvpiphc

29. (#JonathanChristianSong29): Worship

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/Hquqs9RQ7-M

30. (#JonathanChristianSong30): Walk with Jesus

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/p2sXqoMFIpY

31. (#JonathanChristianSong31): God is Love

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/Smx4qX1rLmc

32. (#JonathanChristianSong32): You

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/ywYJf692zW8

33. (#JonathanChristianSong33): Your Name

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/KWGAaonDZI0

34. (#JonathanChristianSong34): Christ is Born II

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/WPSg5EQLAjo

35. (#JonathanChristianSong35): Jesus in You II (Acoustic)

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/odgmTtAq5BI

36. (#JonathanChristianSong36): He is Risen

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/Is_m6NZ7GkI

37. (#JonathanChristianSong37): Forgiven

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/UKFDPHffmqA

38. (#JonathanChristianSong38): Remember

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/InExtBJltV0

39. (#JonathanChristianSong39): Tired

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/H7x6xNhglzA

40. (#JonathanChristianSong40): The Day of the LORD

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/tSCZlnoDJBA

41. (#JonathanChristianSong41): JESUS

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/j3qOZFO-uG0

Link for my free YouTube Secular Songs

YouTube Links Jonathan Secular Songs

1. (#JonathanSecularSong1): Lost Without You

YouTube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWht3YTQI48

2. (#JonathanSecularSong2): Wish

YouTube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV2wxspXpTM

3. (#JonathanSecularSong3): Master

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/v2BlJdrD9jI

4. (#JonathanSecularSong4): BolehLah

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/j8Lo5eeRbak

5. (#JonathanSecularSong5): Feelings

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/V0NEEOARzOg

6. (#JonathanSecularSong6): Whisper

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/kA1NhAo1olI

7. (#JonathanSecularSong7): Walking

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/ga2Gk5bYbL0

8. (#JonathanSecularSong8): Vanity

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/oDXWiMsRSro

9. (#JonathanSecularSong9): Sad

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/qKuC5Cr-YTM

10. (#JonathanSecularSong10): Rock

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/kLuUoWLpjSc

11. (#JonathanSecularSong11): Folk Song

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/4ROYqmEn0Lo

12. (#JonathanSecularSong12): Why are you not married?

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/IpRrz_K-JXE

13. (#JonathanSecularSong13): Redemption

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/2Zucv7Qc6Ao

14. (#JonathanSecularSong14): Your Song

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/4Lhu7Sps-XY

15. (#JonathanSecularSong15):

Time II (Rock): https://youtu.be/wJPBJSV4Hw4

16. (#JonathanSecularSong16): BattleCry

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/D_pSkidsLuI

16. (#JonathanSecularSong17): Time

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/xIWwvaubyjs

Summary

1) Jonathan’s “all” Song Playlist

2) Jonathan’s Secular Song Playlist

3) Jonathan’s Christian Song Playlist

Note: These songs don’t include those ones which I have done with my band or collaboration with others (usually just playing an instrument alone but sometimes singing too) which I will try to add to these playlists.

Note: Each Song is shown with lyrics and sometimes a message for us to think about deeply. For example:

(#JonathanSecularSong15): BattleCry

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/D_pSkidsLuI

Note: This song is written to encourage right “mental health”. Too much of judgment by people who they themselves cannot sing nor play any musical instruments and also think just because they make money, God is with them. (So how about some of the worst wicked political leaders (even atheists) or “your enemy religion” which is also richer than you, did more discoveries & pHDs that matter and also are in a richer country, right? So why “your god” couldn’t stop that if you believe in discriminating others so that you can show a testimony that ‘those of your religion/denomination’ are holding power & money in some locality?). If the popular excuse given by those who practice all these evil which is “to protect and provide for their family” to “justify their acts”, then “how is the very existence of their families is good since it led you to these evils?” The True God judges Charity Doctrine and kindness beyond race, religion and family to see if we “loved” for “real” so whether we are poor or rich doesn’t matter, but what matters is what we do with what is given.

(#JonathanSecularSong13): Redemption

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/2Zucv7Qc6Ao

Note: This song is written to encourage freewill and discourage religious persecution sometimes even within the same religion itself and also against nepotism (including racism) and money-loving practices because through all these much blood has been spilled and minorities get discriminated & suffer as the majority seek to establish their monopoly. Let God Judge who is right and wrong while we love each other beyond family, religion and race including our enemies too to be “real”.

(#JonathanSecularSong12): Why are you not married?

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/IpRrz_K-JXE

Note: This song is written to discourage any pre-marital sexual immorality and also to create awareness that marrying for money is wrong so that the younger generation can grow to be more vigilant. The rest is rhetoric speech to expose evil.

Real End (hopefully). 13/8/2024. Thank you.

^[1]Stephen J. Nichols, Martin Luther’s 95 Theses. Presbyterian & Reformed Pub Co, USA, 2002.

^[2]1 Corinthians 11:18 – 19.

^[3]Matthew 7:21 – 24.

^[4] Matthew 13:8, Matthew 19:29 calls hundredfold level as a final reward context.

^[5]Romans 12:3, 6.

^[6]Romans 14:4.

^[7]Matthew 13:28 – 29’s Parable of the Wheat and the Tares.

[8] Schaff, Philip, Ante-Nicene Fathers, Christian Literature Publishing Co, USA, 1885: Volume I (St. Irenaeus of Lyons, Against Heresies, Book 4, Chapter 4) available online: https://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.ix.vi.v.html (2 August 2024).

[9] Schaff, Philip, Ante-Nicene Fathers: NPNF2-14, Christian Literature Publishing Co, USA, 1885. The Seven Ecumenical Councils, 34, available online: https://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf214.html (2 August 2024).

[10] St. Gregory Nazianzus, First Theological Oration (Oration 27), Point IX, available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/310227.htm (2 August 2024).

[11] Paul Helm, The Last Things: Death, Judgment, Heaven and Hell. Carlisle, PA: Banner of Truth, 1989.

[12] LeRoy Edwin Froom. The Conditionalist Faith of Our Fathers, 2 vols. Washington, DC: Review and Herald, 1965.

[13] Richard Bauckham. Universalism: A Historical Survey. Themelios 4, no. 2, January 1979.

[14] “Non Elect Salvation” is a phrase I invented to classify such quotes from Church Fathers which seem to point to some saved in the spirit world usually after a judgment of fire in hell. It may not be full universalism as these same fathers seem to have strong eternal hell or annihilation quotes usually too hence a term to quantify these “saved from hell” ones is what “non elect salvation” term means.

[15] St. Gregory Nazianzus, Oration 39, Chapter XIX, Oration on the Holy Lights, available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/310239.htm (2 August 2024).

[16] 1 Corinthians 3:15, “If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire” (NKJV).

[17] 1 Corinthians 3:14, “If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward” (NKJV).

[18] 1 Corinthians 3:11 “For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ” (NKJV).

[19] Romans 2:6 – 11, “6who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: 7eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; 8but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, 9tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; 10but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 11For there is no partiality with God” (NKJV).

[20] Romans 2:14 – 16, “14for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) 16in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel” (NKJV).

[21] Romans 2:12 – 13, “12For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law 13(for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;” (NKJV).

[22] James 2:26 “For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also” (NKJV).

[23] John 6:29, 36, 40, “29Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.” 36But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe. 40And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.” (NKJV).

[24] John 20:29, “Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” (NKJV).

[25] Revelation 1:6, 5:10, 20:4 – 6.

[26] Revelation 21:1, “1Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea” (NKJV).

[27] 2 Peter 1:20, “knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation,” (NKJV)

[28] 1 Corinthians 15:52, “in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed” (NKJV).

[29] Ephesians 5:31 – 32, “and the two shall become one flesh.” 32This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church” (NKJV).

[30] Revelation 21:9 – 10, “Come, I will show you the bride, the Lamb’s wife … and showed me the great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God” (NKJV).

[31] Revelation 21:24 – 27, “24And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it. 25Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there). 26And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it. 27But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life” (NKJV).

[32] 1 Corinthians 15:40 – 42, “40There are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory. 42So also is the resurrection of the dead” (NKJV).

[33] Revelation 22:17, “And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely” (NKJV).

[34] St. Irenaeus of Lyons, Against Heresies, Book 5, Chapter 32, available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103532.htm (2 August 2024), and Tertullian, Against Marcion, Book III, Chapter 25, available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/03123.htm
(2 August 2024).

[35] Revelation 7:9 – 17, “I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, … These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation … 17for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters” (NKJV).

[36] Revelation 22:1, “And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb” (NKJV).

[37] St. Justin of Rome (Justin Martyr, c. 100AD – c. 160 AD) calls Christians as “gods rendering judgment to all men” (Dialogue with Trypho, Chapter 124), online source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/01288.htm (3 August 2024). Note that this change from human to angelic is “gods” even in “theosis concept” in orthodox theology. St. Irenaeus of Lyons (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD) writes, “because we have not been made gods from the beginning, but at first merely men, then at length gods” (Against Heresies, Book 4, Chapter 38), online source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103438.htm (3 August 2024)”. Tertullian (c. 155 AD – c. 240 AD) writes, “Of the heavenly kingdom this is the process. After its thousand years are over, within which period is completed the resurrection of the saints, who rise sooner or later according to their deserts there will ensue the destruction of the world and the conflagration of all things at the judgment: we shall then be changed in a moment into the substance of angels, even by the investiture of an incorruptible nature, and so be removed to that kingdom in heaven … But the resurrection is one thing, and the kingdom is another. The resurrection is first, and afterwards the kingdom. We say, therefore, that the flesh rises again, but that when changed it obtains the kingdom. … and we shall be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye … in order, indeed, that it may be rendered a fit substance for the kingdom of God. “For we shall be like the angels.” This will be the perfect change of our flesh—only after its resurrection. … Having then become something else by its change, it will obtain the kingdom of God, no longer the (old) flesh and blood, but the body which God shall have given it. Rightly then does the apostle declare, “Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;” for this (honour) does he ascribe to the changed conditionwhich ensues on the resurrection.”.” (Against Marcion, Book 3, Chapter 25), online source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/03123.htm (3 August 2024) & (Against Marcion, Book 5, Chapter 10), online source: https://ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf03.v.iv.vi.x.html (3 August 2024). St. Victorinus of Pettau (c. 303 AD) writes, “At this same first resurrection … dead in Christ will stand first, then we who are living, as we will be taken up with Him in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord [1 Thessalonians 4:17]. A We have heard the trumpet spoken of; it is observed that in another place the Apostle names another trumpet. Therefore he says to the Corinthians: At the last trumpet, the dead will rise, will become immortal, and we will be changed. He says the dead will be raised immortal for bearing punishments, but it is shown that we are to be changed and to be covered in glory. [1 Corinthians 15:52] Therefore where we hear “the last trumpet,” we must understand also a first, for these are two resurrections. Therefore, however many were not previously to rise in the first resurrection and to reign with Christ over the world [Revelation 20:4 – 6], over all nations, will rise at the last trumpet, after the thousand years, that is, in the last resurrection, among the impious and sinners and perpetrators of various kinds.” (Commentary on the Apocalypse), 18, online source: https://earlychurchrevival.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/st-victorinus-of-poetovio-translated-by-kevin-edgecomb.pdf (3 August 2024). St. Methodius of Olympus (died c. 311 AD) writes, “For I also, taking my journey, and going forth from the Egypt of this life, came first to the resurrection, which is the true Feast of the Tabernacles, and there having set up my tabernacle, adorned with the fruits of virtue, on the first day of the resurrection, which is the day of judgment, celebrate with Christ the millennium of rest, which is called the seventh day, even the true Sabbath. Then again from thence I, a follower of Jesus, who has entered into the heavens, Hebrews 4:14 as they also, after the rest of the Feast of Tabernacles, came into the laud of promise, come into the heavens, not continuing to remain in tabernacles — that is, my body not remaining as it was before, but, after the space of a thousand years, changed from a human and corruptible form into angelic size and beauty, where at last we virgins, when the festival of the resurrection is consummated, shall pass from the wonderful place of the tabernacle to greater and better things,” (Banquet of the Ten Virgins, Discourse 9, Chapter 5), online source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/062309.htm (3 August 2024).

[38] St. Augustine of Hippo (c. 354 AD – c. 430 AD) writes, “When they have been taken in who have been changed into angelic being, all entrance into the kingdom of heaven is closed; after the judgment, there is no more place for prayers or merit. [marg. note: 1 Cor 15:51]”. (Catena Aurea, Commentary on Matthew 25:1 – 13’s Parable of the Five Wise/Foolish Virgins), online source: https://ccel.org/ccel/aquinas/catena1/catena1.ii.xxv.html (3 August 2024).

[39] Body with “glory” must be saved and there seems to be two types, ‘earthly (terrestrial) vs heavenly (celestial)’ in the resurrection context. 1 Corinthians 15:40 reads, “There are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another” (NKJV).

[40] St. Irenaeus of Lyons writes, “1. Let our opponents — that is, they who speak against their own salvation— inform us [as to this point] … This was symbolic of that man who had been bound in sins. And therefore the Lord said, Loose him, and let him depart. As, therefore, those who were healed were made whole in those members which had in times past been afflicted; and the dead rose in the identical bodies, their limbs and bodies receiving health, and that life which was granted by the Lord, who prefigures eternal things by temporal, and shows that it is He who is Himself able to extend both healing and life to His handiwork, that His words concerning its [future] resurrection may also be believed; so also at the end, when the Lord utters His voice by the last trumpet, 1 Corinthians 15:52 the dead shall be raised, as He Himself declares: The hour shall come, in which all the dead which are in the tombs shall hear the voice of the Son of man, and shall come forth; those that have done good to the resurrection of life, and those that have done evil to the resurrection of judgment. John 5:28” (Against Heresies, Book 5, Chapter 13), available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103513.htm (3 August 2024).

[41] Matthew 25:37 – 40, “37“Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me’.” (NKJV).

[42] Matthew 12:50, “50For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother” (NKJV).

[43] Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahido Church Holy Synod. A short history, faith and order of the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahido Church, Canonical Books, Addis Ababa 1983, available online: https://www.ethiopianorthodox.org/english/canonical/books.html (3 August 2024).

[44] From-The Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament R.H. Charles Oxford: The Clarendon Press, UK, 1913. Book of 1 Enoch, Chapter 50

“1 And in those days a change shall take place for the holy and elect,

And the light of days shall abide upon them,

2 On the day of affliction on which evil shall have been treasured up against the sinners.

And the righteous shall be victorious in the name of the Lord of Spirits:

And He will cause the others to witness (this)

That they may repent

And forgo the works of their hands.

3 They shall have no honour through the name of the Lord of Spirits, Yet through His name shall they be saved, And the Lord of Spirits will have compassion on them, For His compassion is great. 4 And He is righteous also in His judgement, And in the presence of His glory unrighteousness also shall not maintain itself: At His judgment the unrepentant shall perish before Him. 5And from henceforth I will have no mercy on them, saith the Lord of Spirits.”

available online: https://www.ccel.org/c/charles/otpseudepig/enoch/ENOCH_2.HTM (3 August 2024).

[45] St. Irenaeus of Lyons, Against Heresies, Book 5, Chapter 33, (Schaff, NPNF-Vol 1, Christian Literature Publishing Co, 1885, USA), available online: https://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.ix.vii.xxxiv.html (3 August 2024) and Eusebius (c. 260 AD – c. 339 AD), Ecclesiastical History, Book 3, Chapter 36, available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/250103.htm (3 August 2024).

[46] Mark 4:20, “But these are the ones sown on good ground, those who hear the word, accept it, and bear fruit: some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some a hundred” (NKJV).

[47] Revelation 19:7 – 9.

[48] Revelation 21:1 – 3.

[49] 2 Corinthians 12:2 – 3, “God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven. 3And I know such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows— 4how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter” (NKJV).

[50] Louis Ginzberg, Legends of the Jews, Volume 1, The Death of Adam, The Jewish Publication Society, Philadelphia, 2003, 96, available online: https://bibleresourcespart2.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/legends-of-the-jews-complete-in-2-volumes.pdf (3 August 2024).

[51] Louis Ginzberg, Legends of the Jews, Volume 1, The Ascension of Levi, (The Jewish Publication Society, Philadelphia, 2003), 437.

[52] St. Papias, Bishop of Hierapolis, Fragment V, available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0125.htm (3 August 2024).

[53] St. Irenaeus of Lyons, Against Heresies, Book 5, Chapter 36, available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103536.htm.

[54] Hebrews 12:22 – 24.

[55] Revelation 21:9.

[56] Louis Ginzberg, Legends of the Jews, Volume 1, The First Day, (The Jewish Publication Society, Philadelphia, 2003), 9, reads, “As to the fourth heaven in which the heavenly temple is situated, comp. Zebahim 62a; Menahot 110a; Kebod Huppah, 11. For the literature appertaining to this subject, see Excursus I. PR 20, 98b, seems to locate the heavenly temple in the seventh heaven.” available online: https://bibleresourcespart2.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/legends-of-the-jews-complete-in-2-volumes.pdf (3 August 2024).

[57] Louis Ginzberg, Legends of the Jews, Volume 1, The Contest of the Mountains, (The Jewish Publication Society, Philadelphia, 2003), 595, reads, “Tehillim 68, 318; compare with p. 994. In the time to come God will cause the heavenly Jerusalem to descend upon these four mountains: Tabor, Hermon, Carmel and Sinai; see the quotation from an unknown Midrash (Yelam-medenu?) Makiri Is. 52, 195, and a similar statement in Yelammedenu in Yalkut II, 319, on Isa. 2 (here, probably owing to a printer’s error, Hermon is missing, and the heavenly Jerusalem is substituted, as is often the case, by the Temple; see p. 280, footnote 141), as well as Zerubbabel (ed. Wertheimer, 12a) according to which a fifth mountain, Lebanon, is to share this glory. Comp. also Tehillim, loc. Cit.”

[58] Revelation 3:11 – 13 (NKJV).

[59] Revelation 1:6 reads, “and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father,” (NKJV).

^[60]Revelation 21:24, 27, reads, “24And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it. 27But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life” (NKJV).

[61] Revelation 20:11 – 15.

[62] Revelation 21:1 – 3.

[63] Revelation 20:4 – 6.

[64] 1 Corinthians 15:40 reads, “There are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another” (NKJV).

[65] Revelation 20:4 – 6, “ And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years” (NKJV).

[66] Revelation 20:5, “5But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished” (NKJV).

[67] John 5:28 – 29 reads, “28Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation” (NKJV).

[68] Daniel 12:2 – 3 reads, “2And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt” (NKJV).

[69] John 6:40 reads, “And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day” (NKJV).

[70] Hebrews 4:6, 8 – 9 reads, “6Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience. 8For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9There remains therefore a rest for the people of God” (NKJV).

[71] John 5:25 (NKJV)

[72] St. Irenaeus of Lyons, Against Heresies, Book 5, Chapter 13, available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103513.htm (4 August 2024).

[73] Daniel 12:3 (NKJV).

[74] St. Irenaeus of Lyons writes, “Now, in the preceding book I have shown that all the disciples of the Lord are Levites and priests, they who used in the temple to profane the Sabbath, but are blameless.” (Against Heresies, Book 5, Chapter 34), available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103534.htm (4 August 2024).

[75] St. Gregory Nazianzus (c. 329 AD – 390 AD), Oration 40, Chapter 36, available online: https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/select-orations-334-3741-11647 (4 August 2024).

[76] St. Gregory Nazianzus, Oration 40, Chapter 13, available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/310240.htm (4 August 2024).

[77] Galatians 3:26 reads, “For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus” (NKJV).

[78] Matthew 25:1 – 13.

[79] Matthew 25:14 – 30.

[80] Matthew 25:31 – 46.

[81] St. Justin of Rome writes, “But I and others, who are right-minded Christians on all points, are assured that there will be a resurrection of the dead, and a thousand years in Jerusalem, which will then be built, adorned, and enlarged, [as] the prophets Ezekiel and Isaiah and others declare. … And further, there was a certain man with us, whose name was John, one of the apostles of Christ, who prophesied, by a revelation that was made to him, that those who believed in our Christ would dwell a thousand years in Jerusalem; and that thereafter the general, and, in short, the eternal resurrection and judgment of all men would likewise take place. Just as our Lord also said, ‘They shall neither marry nor be given in marriage, but shall be equal to the angels, the children of the God of the resurrection.’ Luke 20:35” (Dialogue with Trypho, Chapters 80 – 81), available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/01286.htm
(4 August 2024).

[82] St. Justin of Rome writes, “I admitted to you formerly, that I and many others are of this opinion, and [believe] that such will take place, as you assuredly are aware; but, on the other hand, I signified to you that many who belong to the pure and pious faith, and are true Christians, think otherwise. Moreover, I pointed out to you that some who are called Christians, but are godless, impious heretics, teach doctrines that are in every way blasphemous, atheistical, and foolish.” (Dialogue with Trypho, Chapter 80), available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/01286.htm (4 August 2024).

[83] 2 Peter 1:20 (NKJV).

[84] Catholic Encyclopaedia, Millennium and Millenarianism, an article which explains the fundamental idea of millenarianism, as understood by Christian writers, published between 1907 and 1912, available online: https://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/millennium-and-millenarianism (4 August 2024).

[85] TeSelle, Eugene. Augustine the Theologian. Wipf and Stock (USA, ISBN 978-1-57910-918-9, 2002), 343.

[86] St. Ambrose of Milan, Exposition of the Christian Faith, Book 5, Chapter 15, available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/34045.htm (4 August 2024).

[87] Catechism of the Catholic Church, CCC 1821, available online: http://www.catholic-catechism.com/ccc_1.74.618.851.956.1256.1261.1349.1821.1900.2240.2574.2634.2822.htm
(4 August 2024).

[88] St. Augustine of Hippo writes, “112. It is quite in vain, then, that some–indeed very many–yield to merely human feelings and deplore the notion of the eternal punishment of the damned and their interminable and perpetual misery. They do not believe that such things will be. Not that they would go counter to divine Scripture–but, yielding to their own human feelings … Now, if this wrath were all there is in man’s damnation, and even if it were present only in the slightest degree conceivable–still, to be lost out of the Kingdom of God, to be an exile from the City of God, to be estranged from the life of God, to suffer loss of the great abundance of God’s blessings which he has hidden for those who fear him and prepared for those who hope in him240 –this would be a punishment so great that, if it be eternal, no torments that we know could be compared to it, no matter how many ages they continued. 113. The eternal death of the damned–that is, their estrangement from the life of God–will therefore abide without end, and it will be common to them all, no matter what some people, moved by their human feelings, may wish to think about gradations of punishment, or the relief or intermission of their misery. In the same way, the eternal life of the saints will abide forever, and also be common to all of them no matter how different the grades of rank and honor in which they shine forth in their effulgent harmony.” (Enchiridion, “The Last Things”, Chapter 29), available online: https://www.tertullian.org/fathers/augustine_enchiridion_02_trans.htm (4 August 2024).

[89] Hebrews 13:7, “Remember those who rule over you, who have spoken the word of God to you, whose faith follow, considering the outcome of their conduct” (NKJV).

[90] Codex Sinaiticus, available online: https://codexsinaiticus.org/en/codex/content.aspx
(4 August 2024).

[91] A Catholic encyclopedia writes, “St. Irenaeus and Tertullian (in his Catholic days) cite the “Shepherd” as Scripture. Tertullian, when a Montanist, implies that Pope St. Callistus had quoted it as an authority (though evidently not as Scripture),” in his reply here. Available online: https://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/hermas (4 August 2024).

[92] Tertullian (c. 155 AD – c. 240 AD), On Modesty (“De pudicitia”), Chapter 10, available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0407.htm (4 August 2024).

[93] St. Irenaeus of Lyons, Against Heresies, Book 4, Chapter 20, available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103420.htm (4 August 2024).

[94] Shepherd of Hermas, Book 2, Commandment 1, reads, “First of all, believe that there is one God who created and finished all things, and made all things out of nothing. He alone is able to contain the whole, but Himself cannot be contained”, available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/02012.htm (4 August 2024).

[95] G. M. Hahneman. The Muratorian Fragment and the Origins of the New Testament Canon in “The Canon Debate” (ed. L. M. McDonald and J. A. Sanders, Massachusetts: Hendrickson, 2002), 405–415.

[96] After listing the 27 New Testament books, St. Athanasius the Great writes, “These are the springs of salvation, in order that he who is thirsty may fully refresh himself with the words contained in them. In them alone is the doctrine of piety proclaimed. Let no one add anything to them or take anything away from them … But for the sake of greater accuracy I add, being constrained to write, that there are also other books besides these, which have not indeed been put in the canon, but have been appointed by the Fathers as reading-matter for those who have just come forward and which to be instructed in the doctrine of piety: the Wisdom of Solomon, the Wisdom of Sirach, Esther, Judith, Tobias, the so-called Teaching [Didache] of the Apostles, and the Shepherd. And although, beloved, the former are in the canon and the latter serve as reading matter,” (39th Festal Letter, c. 367 AD), available online: http://www.ntcanon.org/Athanasius.shtml (4 August 2024).

[97] Shepherd of Hermas reads, “Many indeed shall hear, and hearing, some shall be glad, and some shall weep. But even these, if they hear and repent, shall also rejoice. Hear, then, the parables of the tower; … The tower which you see building is myself, the Church, who have appeared to you now and on the former occasion. Ask, then, whatever you like in regard to the tower, and I will reveal it to you, that you may rejoice with the saints.” (Book 1, Vision 3, Chapter 3); available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/02011.htm (4 August 2024).

[98] St. Irenaeus of Lyons writes, “the beautiful elect tower being also raised everywhere. For the illustrious Church is [now] everywhere, and everywhere is the winepress dug: because those who do receive the Spirit are everywhere.” (Against Heresies, Book 4, Chapter 36), available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103436.htm (4 August 2024).

[99] Shepherd of Hermas reads, “Do you wish to know who are the others which fell near the waters, but could not be rolled into them? These are they who have heard the word, and wish to be baptized in the name of the Lord; but when the chastity demanded by the truth comes into their recollection, they draw back, and again walk after their own wicked desires. She finished her exposition of the tower. But I, shameless as I yet was, asked her, Is repentance possible for all those stones which have been cast away and did not fit into the building of the tower, and will they yet have a place in this tower? Repentance, said she, is yet possible, but in this tower they cannot find a suitable place. But in another and much inferior place they will be laid, and that, too, only when they have been tortured and completed the days of their sins. And on this account will they be transferred, because they have partaken of the righteous Word. And then only will they be removed from their punishments when the thought of repenting of the evil deeds which they have done has come into their hearts. But if it does not come into their hearts, they will not be saved, on account of the hardness of their heart.” (Book 1, Vision 3, Chapter 7); available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/02011.htm (4 August 2024).

[100] Berlin, Meyer; Zevin, Shlomo Yosef. “BEN NOAH”. Encyclopedia Talmudica: A Digest of Halachic Literature and Jewish Law from the Tannaitic Period to the Present Time, Alphabetically Arranged. Vol. IV. Jerusalem: Yad Harav Herzog (Emet, ISBN 0873067142, eds. (1992) [1969]). 360–380.

[101] For a discussion of whether the rabbinic conception of the Noahide prohibition of idolatry mirrors the Torah’s prohibition of idolatry or has more leeway, see Klein, Reuven Chaim. “World Religions and the Noahide Prohibition of Idolatry” (PDF, 2022). Journal of Halacha and Contemporary Society. 79: 109–167, available online: https://hcommons.org/deposits/download/hc:50798/CONTENT/shituf-article.pdf (5 August 2024).

[102] Luke 10:25, 27, 30, 33 – 37 reads, “25And behold, a certain lawyer stood up and tested Him, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 27So he answered and said, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,’ and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’ ” 30Then Jesus answered and said: “A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, who stripped him of his clothing, wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead. 33But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was. And when he saw him, he had compassion. 34So he went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine; and he set him on his own animal, brought him to an inn, and took care of him. 35On the next day, when he departed, he took out two denarii, gave them to the innkeeper, and said to him, ‘Take care of him; and whatever more you spend, when I come again, I will repay you.’ 36So which of these three do you think was neighbor to him who fell among the thieves? 37And he said, “He who showed mercy on him.”

Then Jesus said to him, ‘Go and do likewise.’ ” (NKJV).

[103] John 4:22 reads, “22You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews” (NKJV).

[104] Matthew 12:50.

[105] Matthew 25:31 – 46.

[106] St. Irenaeus of Lyons writes, “But when this Antichrist shall have devastated all things in this world, he will reign for three years and six months, and sit in the temple at Jerusalem; and then the Lord will come from heaven in the clouds, in the glory of the Father, sending this man and those who follow him into the lake of fire; but bringing in for the righteous the times of the kingdom, that is, the rest, the hallowed seventh day; and restoring to Abraham the promised inheritance, in which kingdom the Lord declared, that many coming from the east and from the west should sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Matthew 8:11” (Against Heresies, Book 5, Chapter 30), available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103530.htm (5 August 2024).

[107] St. Irenaeus of Lyons writes, “For in the times of the kingdom, the righteous man who is upon the earth shall then forget to die. … 3. John, therefore, did distinctly foresee the first resurrection of the just, Luke 14:14 and the inheritance in the kingdom of the earth; and what the prophets have prophesied concerning it harmonize [with his vision]. For the Lord also taught these things, when He promised that He would have the mixed cup new with His disciples in the kingdom. The apostle, too, has confessed that the creation shall be free from the bondage of corruption, [so as to pass] into the liberty of the sons of God. Romans 8:21 And in all these things, and by them all, the same God the Father is manifested, who fashioned man, and gave promise of the inheritance of the earth to the fathers, who brought it (the creature) forth [from bondage] at the resurrection of the just, and fulfils the promises for the kingdom of His Son; subsequently bestowing in a paternal manner those things which neither the eye has seen, nor the ear has heard, nor has [thought concerning them] arisen within the heart of man, 1 Corinthians 2:9; Isaiah 64:4 (Against Heresies, Book 5, Chapter 36), available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103536.htm (5 August 2024).

[108] St. Irenaeus of Lyons writes, “For what are the hundred-fold [rewards] in this word, the entertainments given to the poor, and the suppers for which a return is made? These are [to take place] in the times of the kingdom, that is, upon the seventh day, … The predicted blessing, therefore, belongs unquestionably to the times of the kingdom, when the righteous shall bear rule upon their rising from the dead; when also the creation, having been renovated and set free, shall fructify with an abundance of all kinds of food, from the dew of heaven, and from the fertility of the earth: as the elders who saw John, the disciple of the Lord, related that they had heard from him how the Lord used to teach in regard to these times” (Against Heresies, Book 5, Chapter 33), available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103533.htm (5 August 2024).

[109] St. Irenaeus of Lyons writes, “But in the times of the kingdom, the earth has been called again by Christ [to its pristine condition], and Jerusalem rebuilt after the pattern of the Jerusalem above, of which the prophet Isaiah says … but of the Jerusalem which has been delineated on [God’s] hands. And in the Apocalypse John saw this new [Jerusalem] descending upon the new earth. Revelation 21:2 For after the times of the kingdom, he says, I saw a great white throne, and Him who sat upon it, from whose face the earth fled away, and the heavens; and there was no more place for them. Revelation 20:11 And he sets forth, too, the things connected with the general resurrection and the judgment, mentioning the dead, great and small. The sea, he says, gave up the dead which it had in it, and death and hell delivered up the dead that they contained; and the books were opened. Moreover, he says, the book of life was opened, and the dead were judged out of those things that were written in the books, according to their works; and death and hell were sent into the lake of fire, the second death. Revelation 20:12-14 Now this is what is called Gehenna, which the Lord styled eternal fire. Matthew 25:41 And if any one, it is said, was not found written in the book of life, he was sent into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:15 And after this, he says, I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and earth have passed away; also there was no more sea. And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from heaven, as a bride adorned for her husband.” (Against Heresies, Book 5, Chapter 35), available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103535.htm (5 August 2024).

[110] St. Irenaeus of Lyons writes, “But inasmuch as one and the same Lord has pointed out that the whole human race shall be divided at the judgment, as a shepherd divides the sheep from the goats, Matthew 25:32 and that to some He will say, Come, you blessed of My Father, receive the kingdom which has been prepared for you, Matthew 25:34 but to others, Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, which My Father has prepared for the devil and his angels, Matthew 25:41” (Against Heresies, Book 4, Chapter 40), available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103440.htm (5 August 2024).

[111] 1 Corinthians 15:52’s “at the last trumpet … the dead will be raised incorruptible” (NKJV).

[112] St. Irenaeus of Lyons writes, “1. Let our opponents — that is, they who speak against their own salvation— inform us [as to this point] … This was symbolic of that man who had been bound in sins. And therefore the Lord said, Loose him, and let him depart. As, therefore, those who were healed were made whole in those members which had in times past been afflicted; and the dead rose in the identical bodies, their limbs and bodies receiving health, and that life which was granted by the Lord, who prefigures eternal things by temporal, and shows that it is He who is Himself able to extend both healing and life to His handiwork, that His words concerning its [future] resurrection may also be believed; so also at the end, when the Lord utters His voice by the last trumpet, 1 Corinthians 15:52 the dead shall be raised, as He Himself declares: The hour shall come, in which all the dead which are in the tombs shall hear the voice of the Son of man, and shall come forth; those that have done good to the resurrection of life, and those that have done evil to the resurrection of judgment. John 5:28” (Against Heresies, Book 5, Chapter 13), available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103513.htm
(5 August 2024). Note: I wish we had a verse by verse commentary of the Book of Revelation by St. Justin or St. Irenaeus but we don’t.

[113] St. Justin of Rome is also known as Justin of Neapolis and here’s an example quote regarding his reliability from ancient times itself, “And Justin of Neapolis, a man who was not far separated from the apostles either in age or excellence, says that that which is mortal is inherited, but that which is immortal inherits; and that the flesh indeed dies, but the kingdom of heaven lives.— From Methodius On the Resurrection, in Photius.” (Fragments of St. Justin Martyr, Fragment 5) available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0132.htm
(5 August 2024) or here (St. Methodius of Olympus, Part 3, From the Discourse on the Resurrection, II. A Synopsis of Some Apostolic Words from the Same Discourse, point VI): https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0625.htm (5 August 2024).

[114] St. Methodius of Olympus (died c. 311 AD) writes, “For I also, taking my journey, and going forth from the Egypt of this life, came first to the resurrection, which is the true Feast of the Tabernacles, and there having set up my tabernacle, adorned with the fruits of virtue, on the first day of the resurrection, which is the day of judgment, celebrate with Christ the millennium of rest, which is called the seventh day, even the true Sabbath. Then again from thence I, a follower of Jesus, who has entered into the heavens, Hebrews 4:14 as they also, after the rest of the Feast of Tabernacles, came into the laud of promise, come into the heavens, not continuing to remain in tabernacles — that is, my body not remaining as it was before, but, after the space of a thousand years, changed from a human and corruptible form into angelic size and beauty, where at last we virgins, when the festival of the resurrection is consummated, shall pass from the wonderful place of the tabernacle to greater and better things,” (Banquet of the Ten Virgins, Discourse 9, Chapter 5), online source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/062309.htm
(5 August 2024).

[115] St. Justin of Rome writes, “But I and others, who are right-minded Christians on all points, are assured that there will be a resurrection of the dead, and a thousand years in Jerusalem, which will then be built, adorned, and enlarged, [as] the prophets Ezekiel and Isaiah and others declare … And further, there was a certain man with us, whose name was John, one of the apostles of Christ, who prophesied, by a revelation that was made to him, that those who believed in our Christ would dwell a thousand years in Jerusalem; and that thereafter the general, and, in short, the eternal resurrection and judgment of all men would likewise take place. Just as our Lord also said, ‘They shall neither marry nor be given in marriage, but shall be equal to the angels, the children of the God of the resurrection.’ Luke 20:35” (Dialogue with Trypho, chapters 80 – 81), available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/01286.htm (5 August 2024).

[116] St. Irenaeus of Lyons writes, “In his book against Marcion, Justin does well say: I would not have believed the Lord Himself, if He had announced any other than He who is our framer, maker, and nourisher. But because the only-begotten Son came to us from the one God, who both made this world and formed us, and contains and administers all things, summing up His own handiwork in Himself, my faith towards Him is steadfast, and my love to the Father immoveable, God bestowing both upon us.” (Against Heresies, Book 4, Chapter 6), available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103406.htm (5 August 2024).

[117] Matthew 28:19 – 20 reads, “19Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age. Amen” (NKJV).

[118] Geoffrey W. Bromiley writes, “Some scholars have claimed that the term “those who fear God” (yir᾿ei Elohim/Shamayim) was used in rabbinic literature to denote Gentiles who were on the fringe of the synagogue. They were not converts to Judaism, although they were attracted to the Jewish religion and observed part of the law.” (The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, Fully Revised Edition, Vol. 3, Eerdmans, Grand Rapids: Michigan, ISBN 0-8028-3783-2, 1986), 1010.

[119] John 10:16 reads, “And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd” (NKJV).

[120] Revelation 20:5 reads, “But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection” (NKJV).

[121] St. Irenaeus of Lyons writes, “But when this Antichrist shall have devastated all things in this world, he will reign for three years and six months, and sit in the temple at Jerusalem; and then the Lord will come from heaven in the clouds, in the glory of the Father, sending this man and those who follow him into the lake of fire; but bringing in for the righteous the times of the kingdom, that is, the rest, the hallowed seventh day; and restoring to Abraham the promised inheritance, in which kingdom the Lord declared, that many coming from the east and from the west should sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Matthew 8:11” (Against Heresies, Book 5, Chapter 30), available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103530.htm (5 August 2024) and “For in the times of the kingdom, the righteous man who is upon the earth shall then forget to die. … 3. John, therefore, did distinctly foresee the first resurrection of the just, Luke 14:14 and the inheritance in the kingdom of the earth; and what the prophets have prophesied concerning it harmonize [with his vision]. For the Lord also taught these things, when He promised that He would have the mixed cup new with His disciples in the kingdom. (Against Heresies, Book 5, chapter 36), available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103536.htm (5 August 2024) and “For what are the hundred-fold [rewards] in this word, the entertainments given to the poor, and the suppers for which a return is made? These are [to take place] in the times of the kingdom, that is, upon the seventh day, … The predicted blessing, therefore, belongs unquestionably to the times of the kingdom, when the righteous shall bear rule upon their rising from the dead; when also the creation, having been renovated and set free, shall fructify with an abundance of all kinds of food, from the dew of heaven, and from the fertility of the earth: as the elders who saw John, the disciple of the Lord, related that they had heard from him how the Lord used to teach in regard to these times” (Against Heresies, Book 5, Chapter 33), available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103533.htm (5 August 2024).

[122] St. Irenaeus of Lyons writes, “And in the Apocalypse John saw this new [Jerusalem] descending upon the new earth. Revelation 21:2 For after the times of the kingdom, he says, I saw a great white throne, and Him who sat upon it, from whose face the earth fled away, and the heavens; and there was no more place for them. Revelation 20:11 And he sets forth, too, the things connected with the general resurrection and the judgment, mentioning the dead, great and small.” (Against Heresies, Book 5, Chapter 35), available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103535.htm (6 August 2024) and “But inasmuch as one and the same Lord has pointed out that the whole human race shall be divided at the judgment, as a shepherd divides the sheep from the goats, Matthew 25:32 and that to some He will say, Come, you blessed of My Father, receive the kingdom which has been prepared for you, Matthew 25:34 but to others, Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, which My Father has prepared for the devil and his angels, Matthew 25:41” (Against Heresies, Book 4, Chapter 40), available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103440.htm (6 August 2024).

[123] St. Irenaeus of Lyons writes, “1. Let our opponents — that is, they who speak against their own salvation— inform us [as to this point] … that His words concerning its [future] resurrection may also be believed; so also at the end, when the Lord utters His voice by the last trumpet, 1 Corinthians 15:52 the dead shall be raised, as He Himself declares: The hour shall come, in which all the dead which are in the tombs shall hear the voice of the Son of man, and shall come forth; those that have done good to the resurrection of life, and those that have done evil to the resurrection of judgment. John 5:28” (Against Heresies, Book 5, Chapter 13), available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103513.htm (6 August 2024).

[124] St. Justin of Rome writes, “And it was foretold what each should be according to rank and according to fore-knowledge. Jacob served Laban for speckled and many-spotted sheep; and Christ served, even to the slavery of the cross, for the various and many-formed races of mankind, acquiring them by the blood and mystery of the cross.” (Dialogue with Trypho, Chapter 134), available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/01289.htm (6 August 2024).

[125] St. Irenaeus of Lyons writes, “In a foreign country were the twelve tribes born, the race of Israel, inasmuch as Christ was also, in a strange country, to generate the twelve-pillared foundation of the Church. Various colored sheep were allotted to this Jacob as his wages; and the wages of Christ are human beings, who from various and diverse nations come together into one cohort of faith,” (Against Heresies, Book 4, Chapter 21), available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103421.htm (6 August 2024).

[126] 833 aule {ow-lay’} from the same as 109; a yard (as open to the wind); by implication, a mansion:–court, (sheep-)fold, hall, palace. (Strong, James. Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance, 1890, public domain), 61, available online: https://library.hugenote.com/Data/pdf/Strongs.pdf
(6 August 2024).

[127] St. Clement of Alexandria (c. 150 AD – c. 215 AD) writes, “And other sheep there are also, says the Lord, which are not of this fold John 10:16 — deemed worthy of another fold and mansion, in proportion to their faith. … but though he quit the flesh, he must put off the passions, so as to be capable of reaching his own mansion. … he greatest torments, indeed, are assigned to the believer. For God’s righteousness is good, and His goodness is righteous. And though the punishments cease in the course of the completion of the expiation and purification of each one, yet those have very great and permanent grief who are found worthy of the other fold, on account of not being along with those that have been glorified through righteousness.” (The Stromata, Book 6, Chapter 14), available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/02106.htm (6 August 2024).

[128] St. Irenaeus of Lyons writes, “6. But further, as to their calling material substances on the left hand, and maintaining that those things which are thus on the left hand of necessity fall into corruption, while they also affirm that the Saviour came to the lost sheep, in order to transfer it to the right hand, that is, to the ninety and nine sheep which were in safety, and perished not, but continued within the fold, yet were of the left hand, it follows that they must acknowledge that the enjoyment of rest did not imply salvation. And that which has not in like manner the same number, they will be compelled to acknowledge as belonging to the left hand, that is, to corruption. … And thus, in fine, they will be compelled to acknowledge that all those sacred names which do not reach a numerical value of one hundred, but only contain the numbers summed by the left hand, are corruptible and material.” (Against Heresies, Book 2, Chapter 24), available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103224.htm (6 August 2024).

[129] Apocalypse of Abraham reads, “A Vision of Sin and Paradise: the Mirror of the World (Chapter XXI.). XXI. … And I saw there the Garden of Eden and its fruits, the source4 of the stream issuing from it, and its trees and their bloom, and those who behaved righteously. And I saw therein their foods and blessedness. 5 And I saw there a great multitude—men and women and children [half of them on the right side of the picture]6 and half of them on the left side of the picture.7 The Fall of Man and its Sequel (Chapters XXIL-XXV.). XXII. … ”10 And I said: “O Lord, mighty and eternal! Who are the people in this picture on this side and on that?” And He said to me: “These which are on the left side are the multitude of the peoples which have formerly been in existence and which are after thee destined,1 some for judgement and restoration, and others for vengeance and destruction at the end of the world.2 But these which are on the right side of the picture—they are the people set apart for me of the peoples with Azazel.3 These are they whom I have ordained to be born of thee and to be called My People.” (Chapters 21 – 22, via Society for promoting Christian Knowledge, translated by G.H. Box, London, Macmillan Company, 1919), 42 – 44; available online: https://www.marquette.edu/maqom/box.pdf
(6 August 2024).

[130] St. Irenaeus of Lyons writes, “8. But as many as feared God, and were anxious about His law, these ran to Christ, and were all saved. For He said to His disciples: Go to the sheep of the house of Israel, Matthew 10:6 which have perished.” (Against Heresies, Book 4, Chapter 2), available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103402.htm (6 August 2024).

[131] St. Irenaeus of Lyons writes, “and descend to those things which are of the earth beneath, seeking the sheep which had perished, which was indeed His own peculiar handiwork … as the Head rose from the dead, so also the remaining part of the body — [namely, the body] of everyman who is found in life — when the time is fulfilled of that condemnation which existed by reason of disobedience, may arise, … each of the members having its own proper and fit position in the body. For there are many mansions in the Father’s house, John 14:2 inasmuch as there are also many members in the body.” (Against Heresies, Book 3, Chapter 19), available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103319.htm (6 August 2024).

[132] Ephesians 4:9 – 10 reads, “9(Now this, “He ascended”—what does it mean but that He also first descended into the lower parts of the earth? 10He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things” (NKJV).

[133] Cyril J. Davey. The Story of Sadhu Sundar Singh (Chicago: Moody Press, 1963), 32-33.

[134] Sadhu Sundar Singh said, “I was also told that the love of God operates even in Hell. God does not shine in His full light, because those there could not bear it, but He gradually shows them more and more light, and by and by brings them on and moves their conscience towards something better, although they think that the desire is entirely their own. Thus God works on their minds from within, something in the same way, though in the opposite direction, as that in which Satan suggests temptation to us here. Thus, what with God’s work within and the Light without, almost all those in Hell will ultimately be brought to Christ’s feet. It will perhaps take millions of ages, but when it is attained they will be full of joy and thankfulness towards God ; though they will still be less happy than those who have accepted Christ on earth. …At least, that is the case with the majority, but there are some few personalities, Satan for instance, in regard to whom I was told, ` Don’t ask about them.’ And so I didn’t like to ask, but I hoped that for them also there was some hope. ” They also told me that the Saints help in the work of saving souls in Hell, because there can be no idleness in Heaven. Those in Hell will ultimately be brought to Heaven like the prodigal son, but with regard to the ultimate fate of a certain number you must not ask.” [The Sadhu is inclined to think that perhaps these few will be annihilated]. ” Once I said, ‘So many people will be lost because they have not heard of Christ.’ They said, ` The contrary will be the case ; very few will be lost.’ There is a kind of heavenly joke -no, joke is not a good word for it. `Very few will be lost but many will be saved.” (Streeter, Burnett and A. J. Appasamy. The Sadhu: a Study in Mysticism and Practical Religion. London: Macmillan, 1923), 100 – 102. Available online (pages 128 – 130 instead): https://endtimemanna.org/magnusson/Data/Sundar/The_Sadhu-Streeter_and_Appasamy.pdf
(6 August 2024).

[135] Sadhu Sundar Singh wrote (in Urdu), “DEATH OF A PHILOSOPHER … The soul of a German philosopher entered into the world of spirits … . I asked one of the angels what the end of this man would be, and he replied “If this man’s life had been altogether bad, then he would at once have joined the spirits of darkness, but he is not without a moral sense, so for a very long time he will wander blindly round in the dim light of the lower parts of the intermediate state, and keep on bumping his philosophical head, until tired of his foolishness, he repents. Then he will be ready to receive the necessary instruction from the angels appointed for that purpose, and, when instructed, will he be fit to enter into the fuller light of God in the higher sphere.” (Visions of the Spiritual World, Translated by Rev. T. E. Riddle of the New Zealand Presbyterian Mission, Kharar, Punjab, from Urdu into English, Macmillan Co., 1926), 4 – 5, available online: https://endtimemanna.org/magnusson/Data/Sundar/Visions_of_the_Spiritual_World_by_Sadhu_Sundar_Singh.pdf (6 August 2024).

[136] Sadhu Sundar Singh wrote (in Urdu), “THE MANIFESTATION OF CHRIST … I saw in a vision the spirit of an idolater on reaching the world of spirits begin at once to search for his god. Then the saints said to him, “There is no god here save the One True God, and Christ, who is His manifestation.” At this, the man was a good deal astonished, but being a sincere seeker after truth, he frankly admitted that he had been in error. He eagerly sought to know the correct view of truth, and asked if he might see the Christ. Shortly after this Christ manifested Himself in a dim light to him, and to others who had newly arrived in the world of spirits, … So, when these spirits saw Christ in this dim but attractive light, they were filled with a joy and peace … all their error was washed away. Then with all their hearts, they acknowledged Him as the Truth, and found healing, and, bowing in lowly adoration before Him, thanked and praised Him. And the saints, who had been appointed for their instruction; also rejoiced over them.” (Visions of the Spiritual World, Translated by Rev. T. E. Riddle of the New Zealand Presbyterian Mission, Kharar, Punjab, from Urdu into English, Macmillan Co., 1926), 6, available online: https://endtimemanna.org/magnusson/Data/Sundar/Visions_of_the_Spiritual_World_by_Sadhu_Sundar_Singh.pdf (6 August 2024).

[137] Dr. D.G.S. Dhinakaran writes, “There were occasions when the Lord enabled me to have some time in the Second Heaven with Sadhu Sundar Singh, the great and acclaimed Saint of India. The divine joy that was reflected on his face is beyond any description.” (An Insight Into Heaven, True Friend Management Support Service Pvt. Ltd., 2007), 101.

[138] Sadhu Sundar Singh writes, “ Yes, I have talked with the venerable Swedenborg and some other saints and angels about the hells, although I am unable to explain adequately all that they told me. But it is somewhat like this ; No spirit can exist forever, if separated from God by sin or evil. It must either cease to exist or return to God who is the source of life. There is no spirit which will ever cease to exist ; therefore every spirit finally must return to God, even though it may be after ages of ages.” (Appasamy, A. J. Sundar Singh. Cambridge: Lutterworth, 1958), 216, available online: https://archive.org/stream/in.ernet.dli.2015.51820/2015.51820.Sundar-Singh-A-Biography-1958_djvu.txt (6 August 2024).

[139] Emanuel Swedenborg wrote, “I have several times talked with Augustine, who was bishop of Hippo in Africa, in the third century. He said that he is there at this time, inspiring them with the worship of the Lord, and that there is hope that this new gospel will be extended into the surrounding regions. I have heard the angels rejoicing over that revelation, because through it there is being opened to them a communication with the human rational, hitherto closed up by the universal dogma that the understanding must be kept in obedience to the faith of the ministers of the church.” (True Christian Religion, by Emanuel Swedenborg, [1771], tr. by John C. Ager [1906]), section 840, available online: https://sacred-texts.com/swd/tcr/tcr17.htm
(6 August 2024).

[140] Emanuel Swedenborg wrote,” The Papists in the spiritual world appear round about and beneath the Protestants, and separated from them by inter-spaces which they are forbidden to pass, although the monks by clandestine arts secure for themselves a way through, and also send out emissaries by hidden paths to make converts; but they are traced out, and after being punished, are either sent back to their companions or cast down. … The Mohammedans, like all nations who acknowledge one God, love justice and do good from religion, have their own heaven, but it is outside of the Christian heaven. The Mohammedan heaven, however, is divided into two. In the lower they live uprightly with several wives; but only those who give up their concubines and acknowledge the Lord our Savior, and also His dominion over heaven and hell, are raised up from this into their higher heaven. I have heard that it is impossible for them to conceive of God the Father and our Lord as one, but that it is possible for them to believe that the Lord rules over the heavens and the hells because He is the Son of God the Father. It is because of their holding this belief that it is granted them by the Lord to ascend into the higher heaven. … ” (True Christian Religion, by Emanuel Swedenborg, [1771], tr. by John C. Ager [1906]), section 817, 832, available online: https://sacred-texts.com/swd/tcr/tcr17.htm
(6 August 2024).

[141] Isaiah 65:17, 20 reads, “17For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed” (KJV).

[142] Revelation 21: 1 – 4 reads, “1Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. 2Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. 4And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away” (NKJV).

[143] St. Justin of Rome (Justin Martyr) quoting Isaiah 65:17. Dialogue with Trypho, Chapter 81. Available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/01286.htm (13 August 2024).

[144] St. Justin of Rome writes, “For if you have fallen in with some who are called Christians, but who do not admit this [truth], and venture to blaspheme the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob; who say there is no resurrection of the dead, and that their souls, when they die, are taken to heaven; do not imagine that they are Christians” (Dialogue with Trypho, Chapter 80), available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/01286.htm
(6 August 2024).

[145] 1 Corinthians 15:44, 46, 49, reads, “44It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 46However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual. 49And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man” (NKJV).

[146] John 20:17 reads, ‘Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’ ” ’ (NKJV).

[147] Acts 1:9 – 11 reads, “9Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. 10And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.’ ”(NKJV).

[148] Philippians 3:21 reads, “who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body,” (NKJV).

[149] St. Irenaeus of Lyons writes, “1. Now all these [heretics] are of much later date than the bishops to whom the apostles committed the Churches; which fact I have in the third book taken all pains to demonstrate. It follows, then, as a matter of course, that these heretics aforementioned, since they are blind to the truth, and deviate from the [right] way, will walk in various roads; and therefore the footsteps of their doctrine are scattered here and there without agreement or connection. But the path of those belonging to the Church circumscribes the whole world, as possessing the sure tradition from the apostles, and gives unto us to see that the faith of all is one and the same,” (Against Heresies, Book 5, Chapter 20), available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103520.htm (7 August 2024).

[150] Tertullian writes, “But if there be any (heresies) which are bold enough to plant themselves in the midst of the apostolic age, that they may thereby seem to have been handed down by the apostles, because they existed in the time of the apostles, we can say: Let them produce the original records of their churches; let them unfold the roll of their bishops, running down in due succession from the beginning in such a manner that [that first bishop of theirs ] bishop shall be able to show for his ordainer and predecessor some one of the apostles or of apostolic men, — a man, moreover, who continued steadfast with the apostles. For this is the manner in which the apostolic churches transmit their registers: as the church of Smyrna, which records that Polycarp was placed therein by John; as also the church of Rome, which makes Clement to have been ordained in like manner by Peter.” (Prescription against Heretics, Chapter 32), available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0311.htm (7 August 2024).

[151] Aland, Kurt; Aland, Barbara. The Text of the New Testament: An Introduction to the Critical Editions and to the Theory and Practice of Modern Textual Criticism. Erroll F. Rhodes (trans.). Grand Rapids: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, ISBN 978-0-8028-4098-1, 1995) 107, 109.

[152] St. Irenaeus of Lyons writes, “for there were many still remaining who had received instructions from the apostles. In the time of this Clement, no small dissension having occurred among the brethren at Corinth, the Church in Rome dispatched a most powerful letter to the Corinthians, exhorting them to peace, renewing their faith, and declaring the tradition which it had lately received from the apostles,” (Against Heresies, Book 3, Chapter 3), available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103303.htm (7 August 2024).

[153] St. Clement of Rome writes, “Who then among you is noble-minded? Who compassionate? Who full of love? Let him declare, If on my account sedition and disagreement and schisms have arisen, I will depart, I will go away wherever ye desire, and I will do whatever the majority commands; only let the flock of Christ live on terms of peace with the presbyters set over it. He that acts thus shall procure to himself great glory in the Lord; and every place will welcome him. For the earth is the Lord’s, and the fullness thereof. These things they who live a godly life that is never to be repented of, both have done and always will do.” (1 Clement, Chapter 54), available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1010.htm (7 August 2024).

[154] Luke 6:22 – 23 reads, “22Blessed are you when men hate you, and when they exclude you, and revile you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of Man’s sake. 23Rejoice in that day and leap for joy! For indeed your reward is great in heaven, for in like manner their fathers did to the prophets” (NKJV).

[155] Romans 10:2 reads, “For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge” (NKJV).

[156] Daniel 12:3 reads, “And those who have insight will shine like the glow of the expanse of heaven, and those who lead the many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever” (NASB).

[157] St. Irenaeus of Lyons writes, “preaching by anticipation the inheritance of the holy Jerusalem, and proclaiming beforehand that the man who loves God shall arrive at such excellency as even to see God, and hear His word, and from the hearing of His discourse be glorified to such an extent, that others cannot behold the glory of his countenance, as was said by Daniel: Those who do understand, shall shine as the brightness of the firmament, and many of the righteous as the stars for ever and ever. Daniel 12:3 Thus, then, I have shown it to be, if any one read the Scriptures.” (Against Heresies, Book 4, Chapter 26), available online: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103426.htm (7 August 2024).

[158] Jeremiah 23:36 reads, “And the oracle of the LORD you shall mention no more. For every man’s word will be his oracle, for you have perverted the words of the living God, the LORD of hosts, our God” (NKJV).

[159] Jeremiah 23:38 – 40 reads, “38But since you say, ‘The oracle of the Lord!’ therefore thus says the Lord: ‘Because you say this word, “The oracle of the Lord!” and I have sent to you, saying, “Do not say, ‘The oracle of the Lord!’ ” 39therefore behold, I, even I, will utterly forget you and forsake you, and the city that I gave you and your fathers, and will cast you out of My presence. 40And I will bring an everlasting reproach upon you, and a perpetual shame, which shall not be forgotten.’ ”,” (NKJV).

[160] Matthew 7:14 reads, “Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it” (NKJV).

[161] Revelation 21:9 reads partly, “Come, I will show you the bride, the Lamb’s wife” (NKJV).

[162] Matthew 7:21 reads, “21“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven” (NKJV).

[163] Matthew 26:28 reads, “For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins” (NKJV).

[164] Revelation 21:24, 27 reads, “24And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it. 27But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life” (NKJV).

[165] Revelation 22:17 reads, “17And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely” (NKJV).

[166] Revelation 22:1 – 2 reads, “1And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations” (NKJV).

[167] 1 Corinthians 3:15 reads, “If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire” (NKJV).

[168] Daniel 12:10 reads, “Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand” (NKJV).

[169] 1 Timothy 2:4 reads, “3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth” (KJV).

[170] 1 Timothy 4:10 reads, “For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe” (KJV).

[171] St. Jerome of the Vulgate writes, “But the teachers shall resemble the very heavens, and those who have instructed others shall be compared to the brightness of the stars. For it is not enough to know wisdom unless one also instructs others; and the tongue of instruction which remains silent and edifies no one else can receive no reward for labor accomplished. This passage is expressed by Theodo-tion and the Vulgate edition [of the Septuagint] in the following |147 fashion: “And those who understand shall shine forth like the radiance of the firmament, and many of the righteous like the stars forever and ever.” Many people often ask whether a learned saint and an ordinary saint shall both enjoy the same reward and one and the same dwelling-place in heaven. Well then, the statement is made here, according to Theodotion’s rendering, that the learned will resemble the very heavens, whereas the righteous who are without learning are only compared to the brightness of the stars. And so the difference between learned godliness and mere godly rusticity shall be the difference between heaven and the stars” (Commentary on Daniel, Chapter 12, translated by Gleason L. Archer, 1958), 15-157, available online: https://www.tertullian.org/fathers/jerome_daniel_02_text.htm (7 August 2024).

[172] Daniel 12:2 – 3, 10, translated based on the Masoretic text reads, “2And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3Those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament, and those who turn many to righteousness like the stars forever and ever. … 10Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.” (NKJV).

[173] Daniel 12 in Brenton Septuagint translation is available online: https://biblehub.com/sep/daniel/12.htm (7 August 2024).

[174] Kurtz, J. H. Church History (Volumes 1-3). Translated by John Macpherson. Produced by Jon Ingram, Richard Hulse and the Online Distributed Proofreading Team at http://www.pgdp.net (17 March 2016), Chapter 79. The Slavs in German Countries. Available online: https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/51491/pg51491-images.html (12 August 2024).

[175] Birkhaeuser, J. A. (Reverend). History of the Church from its First Establishment to our Own Times. Designed for the Use of Ecclesiastical Seminaries and Colleges. Sixth Ed. Published by Fr. Pustet and Co., New York & Cincinnati 1899. 267 – 268. Available online:
https://classicalliberalarts.com/resources/ENR-CHH.pdf (12 August 2024).

[176] Arthur, Jim. Church History, A Survey. Self Published (January 2004). 77, 85. Available online: https://www.judeministries.org/downloads/churchHistory.pdf (12 August 2024).

[177] Government Reports. 2022 Report on International Religious Freedom: Bulgaria. Section I,

Religious Demography. Available online: https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-report-on-international-religious-freedom/bulgaria/ (12 August 2024).

[178] Shelley, Bruce L. Church History in Plain Language. … 534. Reads, “Pentecostal denominations followed. The largest in the United States were the Assemblies of God, the Church of God in Christ, the Church of God, and the Pentecostal Holiness Church. These were usually filled with socially and economically depressed people. That is the reason the secular press took note in 1960 when the Pentecostal experience broke out in middle-class Lutheran and Episcopal congregations. That made hot copy.” 4th Ed., revised by R. L. Hatchett. Published by Thomas Nelson, Nashville, 2013. Available online: https://uoeldcu.org/site/uploads/docs/Church%20History%20in%20Plain%20Language%20by%20Bruce%20Shelley.pdf (12 August 2024).

[179] Philippians 4:11 – 13 reads, “11Not that I speak in regard to need, for I have learned in whatever state I am, to be content: 12I know how to be abased, and I know how to abound. Everywhere and in all things I have learned both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need. 13I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me” (NKJV).

[180] Philippians 4:14 reads, “14Nevertheless you have done well that you shared in my distress” (NKJV).

[181] Philippians 4:15 – 16 reads, “15Now you Philippians know also that in the beginning of the gospel, when I departed from Macedonia, no church shared with me concerning giving and receiving but you only. 16For even in Thessalonica you sent aid once and again for my necessities” (NKJV).

[182] John 15:14 reads, “14You are My friends if you do whatever I command you “(NKJV).

[183] John 15:13 reads, “13Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends” (NKJV).

[184] 1 John 3:16 – 18 reads, “16By this we know love, because He laid down His life for us. And we also ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. 17But whoever has this world’s goods, and sees his brother in need, and shuts up his heart from him, how does the love of God abide in him? 18My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth” (NKJV).

[185] Luke 16:19 – 20, 22 – 25, reads, “19“There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. 20But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, 21desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table. … The rich man also died and was buried. 23And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24“Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’ 25But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented” (NKJV).

[186] Philippians 4:17 reads, “17Not that I seek the gift, but I seek the fruit that abounds to your account” (NKJV).

[187] Matthew 13:23 reads, “But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty” (NKJV).

[188] Matthew 7:15, 16, 18 – 20 reads, “15“Beware of false prophets, … 16You will know them by their fruits. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Therefore by their fruits you will know them” (NKJV).

[189] Wesley, John. The Tyndale Series of Great Biographies. The Journal of John Wesley. By Hugh Price Hughes, Augustine Birrell, K. C. and edited by Percy Livingstone Parker. Published by Moody Press (Chicago, 1951). 49. Available online: https://ccel.org/w/wesley/journal/cache/journal.pdf (13 August 2024).

[190] Wesley, John. … The Journal of John Wesley … 52.

[191] Wesley, John. … The Journal of John Wesley … 55.

[192] Journal of Moravian History. Peter Boehler’s Universalist Letter by Jared S. Burkholder. Volume 23, Issue 2, October 2023. 129–142. The Abstract reads, “Although the belief in universalism has been attributed to Peter Boehler since the eighteenth century, the matter has not been clearly documented. However, a letter, written by Boehler and preserved in the Moravian Archives, provides greater clarity as it contains a defense of a future “restitution of all things.” Possibly sent to George Whitefield, the letter detailed in this article not only provides evidence of Boehler’s restorationist beliefs, but also points to the role that universalism may have played in the Moravians’ 1740 schism with Whitefield”. Available online: https://doi.org/10.5325/jmorahist.23.2.0129 (13 August 2024).

[193] Wesley, John. … The Journal of John Wesley … 83.

[194] Hebrews 13:7 reads, “7Remember those who rule over you, who have spoken the word of God to you, whose faith follow, considering the outcome of their conduct” (NKJV).

Slide 21 in #MiscellaneousPPT – Non Elect Salvation Possibility vs Pentecostal non-human language speaking in tongues – Which is more RISKY?

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1) Some Pentecostals boycott me and say I’m a wolf or possessed or something all because of one reason: I reveal the PUBLISHED TRUTH about the HISTORY of MODERN PENTECOSTAL Speaking in TONGUES. I will come to your church to your biggest prophet and let’s see if he can cast out any demon out of me instead of speaking in the back, where I’m not there, fair?

2) LOGIC: If the FIRST SPEAKING In TONGUES in CHINESE claim incident by MS AGNES OZMAN via LAYING hands of CHARLES PARHAM is NOT TRUE, then NO “speaking in tongues” in entire MODERN PENTECOSTAL History (1900 onward) is true, right? Because how can the first one is wrong and then the rest GOD gave the true way since the “gift” is imparted by touch or prayer from person to person. Another problem: Parham (your own father of Pentecostalism through whom this first gift operated if true, not me) called NON-HUMAN LANGUAGE SPEAKING in TONGUES as HUMAN ERROR or DEMONIC (Slide 20 in #MiscellaneousPPT).

Since this happened in modern times, it’s well documented in newspapers etc. printed when PARHAM was alive, in fact this HANDWRITING EVIDENCE was GIVEN by MS AGNES OZMAN herself with PARHAM to be PUBLISHED in NEWSPAPERS including CHRISTIAN “Holiness” MOVEMENT ones which commented as follows (meaning they themselves claimed all this are true while these are printed while they were alive for many years and NEVER DENIED any of these “evidences”) so it’s NOT SLANDER but SCRUTINY DONE by US. Parham & Agnes confirmed it as per No. 1 Pentecostal history website too:

https://www.apostolicarchives.com/articles/article/8801925/173163.htm

(reprinting old words by them).

3) Even if one speaking in tongues turned out to be true, our ABSTINENCE from it is BIBLICAL as NOT all speak in tongues (1 Corinthians 12:30 allows) and the MODERN one is RISKY. GOD Will understand our RESPECT for HIM by NOT participating in RISKY things and if our PENTECOSTAL FRIENDS’ claims of speaking in tongues turned out WRONG, WILL GOD FORGIVE especially since they QUOTED the HOLY SPIRIT all the time and BLASPHEMY or WORD against the HOLY SPIRIT is stated to be UNFORGIVEN (Matthew 12:30 – 32)? See the REAL DANGER?

4) So what if women pastors converted many in Pentecostal churches but still total protestants (including those who don’t agree with women pastors like Calvinism) is only about 40% while 60% is still praying to Virgin Mary type Catholic and Orthodox whose “non-pastor nuns” together with “their male priests only” did more conversion numbers and even higher when counted backward in history meaning that doesn’t prove it right.

5) The First Speaking in tongues was accompanied by this handwriting claiming to be CHINESE WRITTEN with INSPIRATION of HOLY SPIRIT by Ms AGNES OZMAN herself? (Image with Holiness type Christian Newspaper comment at that time) You decide for yourselves the RISK while NON ELECT SALVATION is a “POSSIBILITY” with NO quoting of UNFORGIVABLE Blasphemy against HOLY SPIRIT and is NOT DOCTRINE.

In short, you dare say this was the WRITING INSPIRED by HOLY SPIRIT in CHINESE when you stand in front of HIM One Day?

5) Link for #MiscellaneousPPT:

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1vjhg1jLRbDlrmvTQWt8W8iVsmQ64BxCT/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=118355506267983381053&rtpof=true&sd=true

My #ORCID link: https://orcid.org/0009-0008-4669-1077

TQ

I Repeat: In short, you dare say this was the WRITING INSPIRED by HOLY SPIRIT in CHINESE when you stand in front of HIM One Day?

Slide 20 in #MiscellaneousPPT – Are you really speaking in tongues the Acts 2 way? Via Founder of Pentecostalism: PARHAM

To quote:

“Charles Parham

The first to identify speaking in tongues as the initial biblical evidence of being baptized with the Spirit was American evangelist Charles Parham (1873-1929). This is incredible in itself: in 1900 years of Christianity no one had made this explicit connection. Parham’s student William J. Seymour (1870-1922) took this unique teaching to Los Angeles, where Seymour became the leader of the Asuza Street Revival (1906-1915), which was characterized by intense spiritual experiences.

Surprisingly, when Parham visited the Mission in October 1906, he reacted with disgust at “animal noises, trances, shaking, jabbering,” and so forth. In fact, Seymour himself disowned some of these phenomena, preferring to emphasize the fruit of love. Tragically, there began a series of power struggles and splits, which marred claims to the unity of the Spirit among Pentecostals from the earliest days of the movement. Parham founded a rival community only five blocks away from Seymour . . . (185)

Parham also denounced Seymour’s meetings because the ecstatic speech he heard was not human languages. According to Parham, speaking in tongues should correspond to what happened in Acts 2—believers miraculously speaking known human languages for the purpose of evangelization. (For an historical account of these events, see this book.)”

Source: https://www.bible-bridge.com/speaking-in-tongues/

i) 185 – Anthony Thiselton’s scholarly book The Holy Spirit — In Biblical Teaching, through the Centuries, and Today was published to wide acclaim in 2013 and received a 2014 Christianity Today Book Award. This shorter volume makes Thiselton’s vast biblical-theological knowledge and brilliant insight more accessible to more readers.

ii) Book – William J. Seymour and the Origins of Global Pentecostalism: A Biography and Documentary History Paperback – August 11, 2014 by Gastón Espinosa (Author)

Note: Assemblies of God (AOG) to all other Pentecostal churches “speaking in tongues” came from this same “Seymour” via this same “Azusa Street Revival”.

My personal stance: Since even Pentecostal Founder Parham denounced any non-human language speaking in tongues as “human error or demonic”, how does it sound convincing? I am NOT taking this risk (NEVER will) and even if it turns out to be true (chances seem low since why would the HOLY SPIRIT use this man Parham and then use this same Parham to condemn non-human language speaking in tongues later?) I did NOT commit any blasphemy against His Spirit by ABSTAINING from things which cannot be verified. What if those claiming it as Holy Spirit but one day He says was NOT Him? Will He forgive?

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