2 Esdras and NO condemnation for even “Universalism” request by Blessed Prophet Ezra to the MOST HIGH GOD even.
Other interesting 2 Esdras possible Scripture quotes in regard to CHARITY DOCTRINE for both JUDGMENT of SINS and HIGHEST ETERNAL REWARDS as well as “POSSIBLE” Non-Elect Salvation by God’s Mercy via believing after seeing after Judgment (understood with other Bible Verses such as John 6:35 – 40 or even Matthew 25:31 – 46 in CHILIASM Timeline seem to refer to non-Christians who did CHARITY DOCTRINE to CHRISTIANS as they seem “not” to know the Lord fully either as they ask back, “… When did we see you hungry/thirsty/naked/homeless etc.? …”); image is [From Page 551 onward of the #BibleandChurchFathersQuoteBook] and [From Page 340 onward of the #LastBook] for believing after seeing possibility too within LAST DAY which in CHILIASM Timeline spans 1000 years with 1st resurrection at the start and 2nd resurrection at the end of it.
Image is Slide 160.
#NONELECTSALVATION #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by #Scripture in #First #Jewish #Christian Prophet #Ezra from #Esdras #Charity #Doctrine #Judgment of #Sins #Work and #Faith too as #Possibility and #not #Doctrine #present #Evidence let #GOD #decide #Verdict #Honesty is #Best #Policy .
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Example DISCUSSION (DEBATE) for WHY I think GOD ALLOWED ROMAN CATHOLICS and ORTHODOX to ERR and PROTESTANTISM is not-free of errors either
Those alive in spirit world now does “not” prove praying to saints. Also, St. Ireneaous’ quote & absence of Prayers to Virgin Mary/Saints/Angels in the Bible as well as earliest Christianity (as I showed even by re-organizing the quotes from the catholic source you gave) itself proves that such a practice was not there. Yes indeed that was the original teaching of the Church and we are following that. The fact you guys deviated (but was not seen for thousand years plus) is because one did “not” have access to all those sources like we do today (so it’s understandable how the error spread and not many questioned it but Martin Luther did question it). The fact that the Orthodox (East) and Roman Catholics (West) itself don’t agree on doctrinal points to the effect some see the other “unsaved” (depends which “leader” you ask within their system) itself proves that GOD did NOT give any such final authority of doctrine to a CHURCH which STARTED DIFFERING in DOCTRINE for example about the TOPIC of CHILIASM PROPHECY Timeline itself is evidenced by St. Papias, St. Ireneaous of Lyons, St. Justin of Rome (Justin Martyr), Tertullian, St. Methodius of Olympus, St. Victorinus, St. Melito of Sardis, Lactantius etc. which form actually the EARLIEST CHURCH FATHERS for PROPHECY CONTEXT because the first BIG NAME ROMAN CATHOLICS & ORTHODOX can quote by “NAME” to OPPOSE it is ORIGEN of ALEXANDRIA (who is known for his errors and he is NOT the earliest with those MORE SOUND in DOCTRINE as listed above) which PROVES our POSITION as MORE ACCURATE. ONLY the DETAILS of CHILIASM can be DEBATED (but using those writings which is the MOST HONEST POSITION). So I repeat GOD ONLY APPROVED the CHILIASM CHURCH which is FIRST ROMAN CATHOLIC & ORTHODOX (as proven in your own history writing as I have quoted Catholic example in [Page 307 onward of the #LastBook]) because IT DID NOT DIFFER in DOCTRINE and rest of “Church History” is filled with contradictions etc. as a JUDGMENT of GOD for NOT keeping the ORIGINAL TRADITIONS such as CHILIASM PROPHECY CONTEXT as “SAME”. So since the CHILIASM details are difficult due to LESSER PRESERVATION, I try to RE-CREATE it as a POSSIBILITY (not Doctrine) as no one can be 100% sure. Peace to you
Example “non-Chiliasm Roman Catholic PROOF itself about CHILIASM PROPHECY POSITION as EARLIEST” please see [From Page 307 onward of the #LastBook] with quote and source, NO “empty claims made”. Remember, you can lie about history but you can NEVER CHANGE HISTORY. No point even in having a PHD if turned our wrong in matters of THEOLOGY which AFFECTS ETERNITY (so getting it right on some parts more than others matters as Daniel 12:3 Prophesied which affects the FINAL RESURRECTION BODY GLORY and GREAT REWARD as Matthew 5:12 if PROPHECY “PROPHET” Context you have been “PERSECUTED or DISCRIMINATED” but must be “more right” on some parts) This quote from 1 Clement which was taught to be SCRIPTURE in significant early Christianity (but removed by later councils because it was not written by direct apostle but it does NOT mean it’s not true) PROPHESIES that mainstream (“MAJORITY”) Church may be wrong:
“… Who then among you is NOBLE-MINDED? who compassionate? who FULL OF LOVE? Let him declare, “IF ON MY ACCOUNT SEDITION and DISAGREEMENT AND SCHISMS HAVE ARISEN, I WILL DEPART, I WILL GO AWAY whithersoever you desire, and I WILL DO WHATEVER THE MAJORITY COMMANDS; only let the flock of Christ live on terms of peace with the presbyters set over it.” HE THAT ACTS THUS SHALL PROCURE TO HIMSELF GREAT GLORY IN THE LORD; and EVERY PLACE WILL WELCOME HIM. For “the earth is the Lord’s, and the fulness thereof.” These things they WHO LIVE A GODLY LIFE, that is NEVER TO BE REPENTED OF, BOTH HAVE DONE AND ALWAYS WILL DO. … ” – Blessed St. Clement of Rome, an Apostolic Father being a direct Disciple of the Blessed Apostle St. Peter (c.35 AD – c. 99 AD, 1 Clement Chapter 54)
Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1010.htm
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Simple KPI Measures (Why I never did a Masters nor a PHD as well):
1) How many “new” discoveries made by lecturers in their fields (theory aspect)?
2) How many of those “new” discoveries are used in “daily life” (practical aspect)?
3) Are those discoveries actually “significant”? (meaning or just a “tweaked” problem making it a special case just so that to get a PHD?)
4) How many lecturers are involved in training “competition” level Malaysian National Teams? (Because it’s common knowledge that for example Math Olympiad or even Physics Olympiad or any Olympiad problem is not guaranteed to be solved by a PHD in that field even without looking at solutions – this part proves “quality” as well)
5) Common Problem: Just presenting “known” knowledge in slides with “nothing new discovered” or so called “discoveries” by just tweaking a special case (especially just running statistical analysis on “new dataset” is most prevalent which is good but not best).
6) Peer Measure: I think a significant number of PHD thesis itself would “not” be a PHD say at “Cambridge” or other “Ivy League” universities “nor” even published in ‘those journals’ meaning creating one’s own journal and then publishing and making a PHD out of it may not reflect the “highest quality” PHD in the ‘Global Arena’.
7) What about me? These are the reasons “why” I do “not” do either a “Masters nor a PHD” because I know that I did “not” discover anything “significantly new” in those fields (because say if Cambridge would not view my so called thesis as valid for Masters or PHD then I rather be honest with a Bachelor’s degree only). Probably in “Theology” I may have made some significant discoveries via the writings of Church Fathers but because it cannot be confirmed 100% to be correct (only God Knows) I do not intend to make a living or take money for something like that and rather just share the discovery for free (so judgment is lower or no judgment if wrong since no money taken, presented both sides and even willing to admit it could be wrong).
Example: The “country” which created the car does “not” make most money from car sales since others “copied” it and made more money. This is why “money achievements” are “not” counted as anyone can win by racism, nepotism, controlling economic factors by politics to unwritten trade pacts etc. God Will Judge all.
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[Text] Highest Type of Education is Discovery and its Greatest Fruit is Giving it away for Free and the No. 1 field is Biblical Theology
1) I rarely find any gem in “Education” studies generally which just talks about “studying” unless the person speaking it can either “discover something new” or “master difficult technical knowledge” as “proof” of his “methods”. Example in “Math”, either someone who discovers something new or someone who can solve even a difficult “Math Olympiad Problem” (not reading from a known solution) is best. I mean if talks are done say in Math but the person himself only can do cut and paste type of Math Questions which others can too without seeing solutions, no big deal, right? Same is true for any other field and not math only.
2) What does the Bible Teach? In Bible Verses below (not opinions of men), we see that the GREATEST DISCOVERY is THEOLOGICAL because such “WISDOM” (knowing GOD and His Will, Proverbs 3:15) reflects back in CHRISTIANS in varying degrees of glory in FINAL RESURRECTION BODY (Daniel 12:3) where the “Agape” (Love) aspect of it (1 Corinthians 13:2) is SHARING that DISCOVERY for FREE (Jeremiah 22:16) which even keeping all other 10 Commandments itself could not achieve “Perfection” as CHRIST Taught (in Matthew 19:21) by RELATIVE MEASURE (Luke 21:1 – 3) as even the example of the MAGI of the EAST shows that NOT all discoveries are known even through “Jews” as the Bible called them “Wise” (Matthew 2:1). Theological discovery can be something “new” (even an interpolation of known Theology) or even just like archeology, something OLD but less known or forgotten etc. as long as it MUST be CORRECT which ONLY GOD can DECIDE but each CHRISTIAN has a chance to try DISCOVER it in THEIR LIVES. Some Verses quoted here in images below and wrong theology means we did it in the FLESH but the RIGHT parts means we GOT it FROM CHRIST (Colossians 2:3).
#Why is this #important? #Daniel12 #Verse 2 to 3 #Prophesied that those who are #Wise (#Accuracy in #Doctrine) #Shine like #Heavens in #Final #Resurrection #Body which is #Way #Greater than #Shining like #Stars for those #Converting #many. Example: #Chiliasm #Irenaeus #Earliest known #Interpretation of #Doctrine #Prophecy #HolySpirit makes #Zero #Prophecy #Errors #FalseProphets #Danger , #Peace2U .
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I will just quote a list with links for each free pdf book.
Here’s a thought to ponder (in image below) in light of the plenty of quotes (from Bible Verses to First Christianity Writings) found in this entire book:
Important Note: Though sometimes I write in a way that may give the feel that “possibility” might just be true and refute the ideas against it, it does NOT necessarily mean I am “right” simply because I am well aware that I can be misinterpreting (but in light of these First Christianity quotes, I also could be right) and that’s why I present all this honestly as a “possibility” only either way and accept whichever God Reveals as Right One Day. Here are links for free pdf download for all these books:
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iii) #SafeRouteScripturallyBook
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XZDENeSl6mNPi6hyfGqvzBJCBlzAoqM9/view?usp=share_link
vii) #ChiliasmBook
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Date: 27 July 2023
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Highlight: Please view the theological explanations from the last chapter listed on the Page on contents in image to understand “Why” I link my Christian Beliefs to my Work methods and how it links to both the Protestant Founders and Earliest Church Fathers in some way.
#GOD used St. Athanasius the Great to bring back the DOCTRINE of #TRINITY back into #CHRISTIANITY amongst others (hence the title “#FatherofOrthodoxy“) and a book which he approves his preserved authentic from the “#CHURCHLEADERS” before him namely the #SHEPHERDofHERMAS seems to have “wider” NON ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY for example [Please see Pages listed below of the #ChiliasmBook]
These are possibilities (not doctrine) because no one can be sure 100% but I present the evidence and to err like St. Athanasius is okay if he is wrong in this as we quoted “#Orthodox” History (not #heretics).
1) First “Church Father” by “writing” to list 27 New Testament Books (used by most Christians today) but yet St. Athanasius approved and said “Shepherd of Hermas” is for “Greater #accuracy in #Doctrine” [please see Pages 44 to 45 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
2) POSSIBLE NON ELECT SALVATION Quotes in the “Shepherd of Hermas” (#Pastor of Hermas) writing [please see Pages 51, and especially Pages 155 to 158 onward of the #ChiliasmBook] which seems to include even the #UNBAPTIZED (“not” Baptized and other “#rejected” from #ElectSalvation ones, described parabolically as “stones” for the reason of ‘not repentant & walking in evil desires’ a hope open for those rejecting after #hearing the #gospel please see Pages 157 for this); I am not encouraging ‘rejecting the gospel’ but pointing to such an #authoritative writing saying that. #Difficult.
3) Even St. Irenaeous of Lyons & #Tertullian called this same “Shepherd of Hermas” as “#Scripture” [please see Page 114 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
4) St. #Irenaeus of Lyons may have alluded to the “Elect Tower” concept found in the “Shepherd of Hermas” opening up the “#possibility for #NONELECTSalvation” for “OUTSIDE the ‘Elect-Tower’ Salvation” which is clearly described too [please see Page 154 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
5) I repeat some quotes above with other #CHURCHFATHERS for a lengthy discussion [please see Page 905 onward of the #ChiliasmBook] and this same St. Athanasius the GREAT seems to believe that a man can repent in #Hades in these quotes because that person seems only awestruck after #death which he may have believed due to “Shepherd of Hermas” quotes earlier which he approves [please see Page 368 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]. It would be very strange that the “FATHER of ORTHODOXY” approved the “SHEPHERD of HERMAS” Book if it was #wrong, right? Can happen but what are the odds? Let God Decide but erring on this seems okay if wrong (meaning still not proven wrong until we die & see the Spirit World). Presented “both” sides. Peace to you
(If someone says he is not interested in heavenly crowns and is doing it selflessly for nothing, HE IS A LIAR because he makes himself equal to GOD ALONE WHO does FOR NO REWARD and also MOCKS GOD’s REWARD because he says he does NOT want it, i.e. such ones are looking down on God’s Rewards which automatically implies such a person does not deserve it, right?) Please see [Pages 455, 467 to 469 onward of the #MyCV15Oct2023] for more details.
#Why is this #important? #Daniel12 #Verse 2 to 3 #Prophesied that those who are #Wise (#Accuracy in #Doctrine) #Shine like #Heavens in #Final #Resurrection #Body which is #Way #Greater than #Shining like #Stars for those #Converting #many. #Peace2u .
[Text] Does Book of Revelation support Pre, Mid or Post-Trib Rapture?
[From Page 439 onward of the #MyCV15Oct2023]
Notice that in CONSECUTIVE Verses below, Revelation 19:7 – 11 even, the MARRIAGE of the LAMB has NOT happened even till the SECOND COMING of CHRIST meaning both PRE-TRIB & MID-TRIB RAPTURE position are most likely WRONG because they claim the MARRIAGE of the LAMB has STARTED to HAPPEN either 7 years earlier or 3.5 years earlier respectively. ONLY the POST TRIBULATION Rapture POSITION agrees with these BIBLE VERSES below literally and more related details via CHILIASM FATHERS of the CHURCH for this part is listed in [Page 480 onward of the #MyCV15Oct2023]with references to other pages.
This is important because CHRISTIANS can be SAVED with PROPHECY error if they admit they could be wrong but they CANNOT be PROPHETS because the MOST BLESSED HOLY SPIRIT of GOD makes ZERO PROPHECY ERRORS. So imagine the “many” FALSE PROPHETS in the world today just if POST TRIBULATION RAPTURE is true. Can you see the “real danger”? Peace to you
#Why is this #important? #Daniel12 #Verse 2 to 3 #Prophesied that those who are #Wise (#Accuracy in #Doctrine) #Shine like #Heavens in #Final #Resurrection #Body which is #Way #Greater than #Shining like #Stars for those #Converting #many. Comment for image: #Irenaeus #Earliest known #Interpretation of #Rapture #PreTrib #MidTrib or #PostTrib #Doctrine #Prophecy #HolySpirit makes #Zero #Prophecy #Errors #FalseProphets #Danger , #Peace2U .
[Text] Imagine Preaching the Gospel but “NOT” knowing how CHRIST RETURNS?
I have discussed this in [Page 180 onward of the #DoctrineBook]
Doctrinal Discussion 7: Rapture (Pre-Tribulation, Mid-Tribulation or Post-Tribulation?)
Here’s a list of “Protestant Founders” Level POST TRIBULATION RAPTURE believers where they “differ” means same reason that they can be “Teachers” onward but “NOT Prophet” when compared say to St. Ireneaous of Lyons etc. as listed in [Page 480 onward of the #MyCV15Oct2023] unless of course your local prophet turns out right in all details and even St. Ireneaous of Lyons and St. Justin of Rome was wrong. What are the “odds”?
“… How old is the rapture theory?
Historically, the belief in the secret rapture is relatively new. Many of the notable Christian leaders of the faith understood from the Bible that Christ’s coming would be a literal, audible, glorious event for God’s persecuted people who would be raptured after they endured the great tribulation brought about by the antichrist including:
John Bunyan, John Calvin, Adam Clarke, Jonathan Edwards, Charles Finney, Matthew Henry, John Huss, John Knox, Hugh Latimer, C.S. Lewis, Martin Luther, D.L. Moody, George Mueller, Sir Isaac Newton, John Newton, Charles Spurgeon, William Tyndale, Isaac Watts, Charles Wesley, John Wesley, George Whitefield, William Wilberforce, John Wycliffe, Ulrich Zwingli, and many others.
Of course, the truth of a teaching is not dependent upon who believes it, but whether or not it is in line with all of the Scriptures.
…”
Source:
https://www.bibleinfo.com/en/questions/what-does-bible-teach-about-secret-rapture
#Why is this #important? #Daniel12 #Verse 2 to 3 #Prophesied that those who are #Wise (#Accuracy in #Doctrine) #Shine like #Heavens in #Final #Resurrection #Body which is #Way #Greater than #Shining like #Stars for those #Converting #many. #Peace2u .
#Why is this #important? #Daniel12 #Verse 2 to 3 #Prophesied that those who are #Wise (#Accuracy in #Doctrine) #Shine like #Heavens in #Final #Resurrection #Body which is #Way #Greater than #Shining like #Stars for those #Converting #many.
Comment for image: #Irenaeus #Earliest known #Interpretation of #Antichrist #Prophecy even based on #Luke18 , #Peace2U .
CHILIASM Church Father Example Quote by Blessed Archbishop St. Ambrose of Milan, First Great Latin Doctor of the Church
[From Page 425 onward of the free pdf #MyCV15Oct2023 , more details there]
Since even St. Ambrose of Milan taught “Non-Elect Salvation” I must consider it at least as a “possibility” to be “honest” regardless if it’s right or not which let God Decide and this gives “evidence” that those before him must have taught the same (for St. Augustine of Hippo his “student” only starts to “differ”).
#FalseProphet vs #HumanError only if no #Claims of #GodToldmeSo #Wrongly because #MostBlessed #HolySpirit of #God has #ZERO #Prophecy #Errors and those with #ProphecyError #Cannot be #Prophets of the #NewTestament #Please #DoNotbeDeceived as since #NoProphecyofScriptureisofAnyPrivateInterpretation #Chiliasm vs #nonChiliasm here as #possibility .
[Text] Example Textual Manuscript Variant which makes “no” difference to CHRIST’s MEANING.
Why this is important? Imagine getting it “Wrong” on many’s favourite topic which is “money” itself. Oh, the “irony”!
1) Problem (from source of image rephrased)
At Matthew 5:44 —> The shorter reading found in many translations says “But I say to you, love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you,” while the longer reading inserts the phrase, “bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who mistreat you.”
2) Solution
Worst case scenario is the “Original” does “not” have the additional blue phrase.
So does DOCTRINE change? NO. Why? Simple Reason: use LUKE 6:35 which does NOT seem to have ANY TEXTUAL VARIANTS and in fact is STRONGER in LOVE YOUR ENEMIES’ ACTS including LEND MONEY (GIVE MONEY) too etc. Can you “see” it?
Comment: Did you know that a similar problem occurs with Matthew 6:33 and Luke 12:30 – 35? “Prosperity Gospel” error misquotes Matthew 6:33 to mean “Prosperity” while with Luke 12:30 – 35 (“same” phrase) we see that it’s a COMMAND to DO CHARITY DOCTRINE with the “things added” and NOT for PROSPERITY as false teachers err in order for GOD to REWARD “Treasure in Heaven”. So lesser the Charity Doctrine by “Relative Measure” (e.g. Luke 21:1 – 3), lesser “Heavenly Treasure Reward” (Eternal Loss for sake of ‘perishing earthly prosperity’)
I did “not” make up strange explanation but WHAT CHRIST SAID only, Compare below (please “read” for yourself #WhatHeSaid here in FULL):
Why? Luke 12:34 Says CHARITY DOCTRINE (Luke 12:33) REVEALS CHRIST’s “HEART” (notice the word “HEART” carefully in these Verses here)
i) Matthew 6:33
“…But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. …” (Matthew 6:33, NKJV)
ii) Luke 12:30 – 35
“… 31“But SEEK HIS KINGDOM, and THESE THINGS will be ADDED TO YOU. 32“Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has chosen gladly to give you the kingdom. 33“SELL YOUR POSSESSIONS and GIVE TO CHARITY; make yourselves money belts which do not wear out, an unfailing treasure in heaven, where no thief comes near nor moth destroys. 34“For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. 35“Be dressed in readiness, and KEEP YOUR LAMPS LIT. …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 12:31 – 35, NASB)
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#ProsperityGospel is #False #Matthew633 #ScriptureInterpretScripture #WhatHeSaid #CharityDoctrine with #WhatYouHave and #Not #ChurchMoney #Nor #DonationMoney only for #TreasureinHeaven to have #ChristsHeart and #LampsLit .
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[Text] NT Textual Analysis – An Example why Church Father’s Quotes are important [with CHILIASM CHURCH FATHERS St. Ireneaous of Lyons & St. Justin of Rome]
1) Technique (logic): In regard to “which manuscript” did St. Ireneaous of Lyons & St. Justin of Rome use when quoting say Matthew 5:44, sometimes quotes are “word for word” but sometimes quotes are “paraphrased” in meaning. We find:
i) St. Ireneaous of Lyons contradicts the “shorter” manuscript by using the word “hate” that is NOT found in the “shorter” manuscript which seems to be a “paraphrase” of the “longer” manuscript for Matthew 5:44.
ii) As usual St. Justin of Rome (also known as St. Justin Martyr) implies the “exact” same meaning in his quote below of Matthew 5:44 likewise that the “Original Scripture” seems to be the “longer” Version because for example his quote of Matthew 5:44 clearly includes this phrase “… bless them that curse you …” which is “only” found in the “longer” NT Manuscript for this Verse (can you “see” it?) :
“…He taught thus: If you love them that love you, what new thing are you doing? For even fornicators do this. But I say unto you, Pray for your enemies, and love them that hate you, and bless them that curse you, and pray for them that despitefully use you. Matthew 5:46, 44; Luke 6:28 And that we should communicate to the needy, and do nothing for glory, He said, Give to him that asks, and from him that would borrow turn not away; for if you lend to them of whom you hope to receive, what new thing are you doing? Even the publicans do this. …” – Blessed St. Justin Martyr or Blessed St. Justin of Rome or Justin of Neapolis, a Great Early Christian Apologist who is a Foremost Exponent of the Divine Word, who Influenced Virtually all of subsequent Christian philosophy and Catholic theology, Martyr for Christ, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church (c. 100AD – c. 160 AD, First Apology, Chapter 15. What Christ himself taught)
Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0126.htm
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#ProsperityGospel is #False #Matthew633 #ScriptureInterpretScripture with #JustinofRome #JustinMartyr #Ireneus #Chiliasm #ChurchFathers quoting #WhatHeSaid #CharityDoctrine with #WhatYouHave and #Not #ChurchMoney #Nor #DonationMoney only for #TreasureinHeaven to have #ChristsHeart and #LampsLit .
CHILIASM POSSIBILITY Example (NOT Doctrine as I am “not” 100% Sure) Please remember that if “Chiliasm” quote below is true, then almost “no” denomination has interpreted this Verse rightly as far as I know because PROPHETS can have ZERO PROPHECY ERROR because the Holy Spirit of God makes ZERO mistake. Also, that’s why I think both St. Justin Martyr and St. Ireneaous of Lyons can be CHILIASM PROPHETS as their quotes agree as both view PSALM 82’s “gods” context as referring to “Christians as the Bride from “Heaven” rendering CHARITY DOCTRINE JUDGMENT to ALL MEN opening up the POSSIBILITY of NON-ELECT SALVATION as ‘sinless humans’ on final new earth most never entering heaven (which Christians were such ‘sinless humans’ too for 1000 years during Millennial Reign before the CHANGE into ANGELIC type at end of 1000 years as CHRIST Shares “His Flesh” and CHRISTIANS ONLY become ONE FLESH with HIM sharing HIS DIVINITY in SOME WAY) as detailed in [From Page 587 to 600 onward of the #ChiliasmBook], too much details please view there. Why this is important? Imagine the amount of “false prophets” (having false prophecy just based on Psalm 82 alone in the world today if they are right), I am “not” accusing anyone but I just present the “evidence” and let GOD have Mercy on whomever He Wills.
#FalseProphet vs #HumanError #GodsWill #HisBride #Church #Ekklesia #Chosen #Psalm82 #youaregodscontext #Ireneus #JustinMartyr #ChurchFathers #Chiliasm #Prophecy #2Peter120 #PossibilityNotDoctrine #NonElectSalvation #CharityDoctrine #BibleMystery #Bible #NewTestament #Prophets .
*Link for free pdf of #ChiliasmBook : vii) #chiliasmbook
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IzLcp1E-YoDtpAGY9qfnLeCL7ojc6-nj/view?usp=sharing
Example “Truthful” Research using St. Methodius of Olympus who is a “Chiliasm Church Father” but NEVER taught “Praying/Veneration to Mary”
#Methodius #MethodiusofOlympus #ChiliasmChurchFather #Chiliasm #VirginMary #ChurchFathers .
If you notice the non-Chiliasm position of St. Augustine of Hippo is followed by most Roman Catholics which even they are afraid to call their “official” position simply because compared with the #Chiliasm position of the Greatest Fathers of the Church with NO ONE NON-CHILIASM Big Name as St. Justin Martyr (St. Justin of Rome) has mentioned as an ALLOWED ERROR and NOT that he is VIEWING it as ANY POSSIBILITY (can you SEE it?) the chances are “so low” for Roman Catholics actually to be right in this as you can compare in example links below (image shown as link hard to access at times? – please download image and zoom in):
1) Roman Catholic example of St. Augustine of Hippo to support the non-Chiliasm position
http://semperaltius.com/millennium.htm
Versus
2) #Chiliasm position with Church Fathers such as St. Papias, St. Ireneaous of Lyons, St. Justin of Rome (or St. Justin Martyr), St. Melito of Sardis, St. Victorinus, Tertullian, St. Methodius of Olympus, Blessed Lactantius etc. (please ignore the heretics quoted as “heretics” also believe in Eternal Hell and their own versions of chiliasm but I do NOT believe in those but only from the CHILIASM CHURCH FATHERS listed here – can you SEE it?)
https://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/millennium-and-millenarianism
Peace to you
A Nice Read: Basically the Roman Catholic authour himself proves that “#Chiliasm” is held by all the earliest and greatest fathers the Church has ever known and the “first” big name opposing it was “Origen of Alexandria” but he is “no” match for the names quoted to believe in “Chiliasm” but somehow this #Prophecy position was lost in time gradually, link in details:
https://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/millennium-and-millenarianism
Note: Example names quoted in the article for #Chiliasm support are St. Papias, St. Ireneaous of Lyons, St. Justin of Rome (or St. Justin Martyr), Tertullian, St. Methodius of Olympus etc.
That’s why I think this #Chiliasm #possibility (since no one can say 100% until it comes to pass) has the highest probability of being true for me). Let God Decide.
Peace to you
[Text] St. Irenaeous of Lyons links the “Washing Feet” incident of Lord Jesus Christ to include “possible” NON Elect Salvation for “… but for all men altogether, … ” toward those who practiced both HOLINESS and CHARITY DOCTRINE only even as He DESCENDED into SHEOL/HADES (“on whose account He also descended into the lower parts of the earth, Ephesians 4:9”) where I did not quote the washing feet part in [Page 57 onward of the #ChiliasmBook] but here I show that it’s part of this context for his writing:
“… 1 Now in the last days, when the fulness of the time of liberty had arrived, the Word Himself did by Himself “wash away the filth of the daughters of Zion,” when He washed the disciples’ feet with His own hands. For this is the end of the human race inheriting God; that as in the beginning, by means of our first [parents], we were all brought into bondage, by being made subject to death; so at last, by means of the New Man, all who from the beginning [were His] disciples, having been cleansed and washed from things pertaining to death, should come to the life of God. For He who washed the feet of the disciples sanctified the entire body, and rendered it clean. … on whose account He also descended into the lower parts of the earth, Ephesians 4:9 to behold with His eyes the state of those who were resting from their labours, in reference to whom He did also declare to the disciples: Many prophets and righteous men have desired to see and hear what you see and hear. Matthew 13:17 2. For it was not merely for those who believed on Him in the time of Tiberius Cæsar that Christ came, nor did the Father exercise His providence for the men only who are now alive, but for all men altogether, who from the beginning, according to their capacity, in their generation have both feared and loved God, and practised justice and piety towards their neighbours, and have earnestly desired to see Christ, and to hear His voice. Wherefore He shall, at His second coming, first rouse from their sleep all persons of this description, and shall raise them up, as well as the rest who shall be judged, and give them a place in His kingdom. …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD,, Against Heresies (Book IV, Chapter 22))
Roman Catholic Source:
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103422.htm
Peace to you
Ireneous quote explanation. [Text] The question is whether is there elect salvation only (those saved on earth now) or also possible non-Elect Salvation (those saved only after seeing & believing Christ in the Spirit World)? I use the famous “All Israel is not Israel” Verse down the famous “Romans Road chapters” (Romans 9 to 11) to see if at least “some” (if not all) can be saved as “non-Elect”? For this I present Calvinism which says no such thing versus St. Ireneaous of Lyons using this same Verse of “All Israel saved” together with “Christ Saviour of the World verse” (extended to include Gentiles too) in the Context of “Lost Sheep which perished on earth” (unsaved on earth) which according to St. Ireneaous of Lyons Christ Seeks out to Save in the “Spirit World” (things in earth beneath) after they “fulfill their time of punishment for disobedience earlier on earth for not believing there first”. I am “not” 100% sure if St. Ireneaous means this in image but it’s “possible” so I consider it as a “possibility” and not doctrine in cases I am not sure. If this interpretation is true then these non-elect salvation ones could be the “nations who are saved on earth with terrestrial (lower) body salvation” as mentioned in Revelation 21:24 & 1 Corinthians 15:40 after Judgment Day Context who are contrasted against the “Bride” (Church) in this same Chapter (Revelation 21:9) with whom only Christ “Marries” (allegorically) meaning He Shares His Flesh/Divinity in some way (Ephesians 5:31 – 32) making only the Christians or “Bride” as having “Celestial” (Heavenly Bodies) to dwell in the new heavens after judgment day (Revelation 21:1) the lowest heaven of the “Final New Jerusalem City” which connects to that final new earth (Revelation 21:2) but NOT everyone enters even the lowest heaven from nations who are saved which is filtered with the gate (Revelation 22:14) and Christians specifically “dwell in heaven” as mentioned “go out no more from this lowest heaven meaning it’s their permanent dwelling” (Revelation 3:12) strengthening the possibility that “those on final new earth” could be “non-elect salvation” (much lower). I detail these out in #ChiliasmBook as a possibility (not doctrine as I am not sure). The ancient Jewish Book of 1Enoch (possibly quoted by Blessed Apostle St. Jude as Scripture) seems to support this exegesis as detailed in Pages 894 onward or Page 14 in that same #ChiliasmBook . Peace to you
Important Note: Though sometimes I write in a way that may give the feel that “possibility” might just be true and refute the ideas against it, it does NOT necessarily mean I am “right” simply because I am well aware that I can be misinterpreting (but in light of these First Christianity quotes, I also could be right) and that’s why I present all this honestly as a “possibility” only either way and accept whichever God Reveals as Right One Day. Here are links for free pdf download for all these books:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZDghJN2eq7MyygtUpbNVFW—LGorSMv/view?usp=share_link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1__t7iB0HZsI4P6dqXAxxBjk_WnC1J2wb/view?usp=share_link
iii) #SafeRouteScripturallyBook
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HUXXa2kgpImEpVWFg4AN0SBc0x4ulSLn/view?usp=share_link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1N5bK-LoBAg4VQN8eLtVWsqkQyoGE0Ad_/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-zX7XgzguBYHkXWucUZ6xfMInbwtj0Z3/view?usp=share_link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XZDENeSl6mNPi6hyfGqvzBJCBlzAoqM9/view?usp=share_link
vii) #ChiliasmBook
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IzLcp1E-YoDtpAGY9qfnLeCL7ojc6-nj/view?usp=sharing
viii) #DoctrineBook or #BookofDoctrine
https://drive.google.com/file/d/12QmUFyND5rTAZo4jT5M_qRAukf-hnRBD/view?usp=sharing
Thank you
Conclusion of Doctrine- Parable of Sower to Fulfill the Great Commission’s Obey all that I commanded you part (Matthew 28:20) – Spirit of Truth (Holy Spirit) vs spirit of error is Revealed in 1 John 3:24 as NEVER making a mistake in context of Obeying His Commands [Note: I cannot quote every verse here in full due to space so please see pages quoted] 1) Parable of Sower’s “Seed” is “Word of God” (Luke 8:11) and NOT “number of converts” which is “good ground” (Luke 8:15) meaning referring to “His Commands” which produces either “thirtyfold, sixtyfold and hundredfold” levels (Luke 8:8). Martin Luther (First Protestant, Lutheran), John Wesley (Methodist), John Calvin (Reformed) agreed on all these DOCTRINE parts as shown with PROOF from their OWN SOURCES with GREAT CHURCH FATHERS too. www.AnonymousChristian.org
Charity Doctrine is His Commandment to have His Love (1 John 3:23) which few Verses earlier defines it as CHARITY DOCTRINE with either EARTHLY or SPIRITUAL THINGS (this WORLD’s GOODS) for FREE for NEEDS CONTEXT only (not prosperity) in 1 John 3:16 – 18. Then we can say “we BELIEVE in HIM” by GOD’s GRACE.
Last Sermon
If I had a Last Sermon this would be it. It matches what is taught by all Protestant Founders and Church Fathers and so we are saved by following likewise and strive to do His Will.
Simple Logic: So are all Church Fathers and Protestant Founders I quoted who agree on these doctrinal parts as I have quoted in the Doctrine Book are false teachers? Please don’t be silly as God only allows error if it’s non-essential doctrine and where they have agreed, it’s God Who has led them. The only commandments applying to Gentile believers are those re-iterated through the New Testament Verses and not all 613 commandments. If all 613 commandments were applicable for every Gentile believer, all those Verses in Galatians to Acts 15 and Acts 21 and elsewhere do not need to exist as Blessed Apostle St. Paul (the Apostle to the Gentiles) would have just written ‘observe all Torah’ which he did NOT. Peace to you
Is there Jew vs Gentile and Male vs Female on earth now? Yes and it’s only removed in AFTER the RESURRECTION and MILENNIAL REIGN CONTEXT onward.
Because two Christians will claim to have the Holy Spirit and yet not follow Christ the same way. I avoid this risk: “… 38But since you say, ‘The [l]oracle of the Lord!’ therefore thus says the Lord: ‘Because you say this word, “The oracle of the Lord!” and I have sent to you, saying, “Do not say, ‘The oracle of the Lord!’ ” 39therefore behold, I, even I, WILL UTTERLY FORGET YOU and FORSAKE YOU, and the city that I gave you and your fathers, and will cast you out of My presence. 40And I WILL BRING AN EVERLASTING REPROACH UPON YOU, AND A PERPETUAL SHAME, WHICH SHALL NOT BE FORGOTTEN.’ ” …” (Jeremiah 23:38 – 40, NKJV) If you don’t believe in the Bible or Church Fathers or Protestant Founders, I have nothing to say. I am not self absorbed to think voices in my head is truth instead when it speaks against Bible Verses confirmed by the writings of the Church Fathers and Protestant Founders with Church History confirming its practice that way.
Mr. Charles Fox Parham was the “First” person through whom God Gave this Gift back into Modern Christianity (if true) and so when I said the “Second” Person to Speak in Tongues I mean in terms of “names” mentioned he is “Second” as per “their own words” from “their own testimonies” and “First” because it was through him (if God Chose him) as follows:
[From Page 848/849 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
b) ii) Mr. Charles Parham’s Testimony of Receiving this Gift of Speaking in Tongues only on the “later” date 3 January 1901 (Founder of Pentecostalism and Charismatic Gift of Speaking in Tongues)
“… On the night of January 3rd, I preached at the Free Methodist Church in the City of Topeka, telling them what had already happened, and that I expected upon returning the entire school to be baptized in the Holy Spirit. On returning to the school with one of the students, we ascended to the second floor, and passing down along the corridor in the upper room, heard most wonderful sounds. The door was slightly ajar, the room was lit with only coal oil lamps. As I pushed open the door I found the room was filled with a sheen of white light above the brightness of the lamps … After praising God for some time, I asked Him for the same blessing. He distinctly made it clear to me that He raised me up and trained me to declare this mighty truth to the world, and if i was willing to stand for it, with all the persecutions, heardships, trials, slander, scandal that it would entail, He would give me the blessing. And I said, “Lord I will, if You will just give me this blessing.” Right then there came a slight twist in my throat, a glory fell over me and I began to worship Gos in the Swedish tongue, which later changed to other languages and continued so until the morning. …” – Mr. Charles Parham, Founder of Pentecostalism and Gift of Speaking in Tongues in Modern Charismatic Christianity (“The Latter Rain”, As Told By The Late Charles F. Parham, Re-printed in The Apostolic Faith – April 1951)
Source:
https://www.apostolicarchives.com/articles/article/8801925/173163.htm
i) Ms. Agnes’ Testimony that she got the Baptism of the Holy Spirit First on 1 January 1901
“… On watch night we had a blessed service, praying that God’s blessing might rest upon us as the New Year came in. During the first day of 1901 the presence of the Lord was with us in a marked way stilling our hearts to wait upon Him for greater things. The spirit of prayer was upon us in the evening. It was nearly seven o’clock on this first of January that it came into my heart to ask Brother Parham to lay his hands upon me that I might receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. It was as his hands were laid upon my head that the Holy Spirit fell upon me and I began to speak in tongues, glorifying God. I talked several languages, and ir was clearly manifest when a new dialect was spoken. I had the added joy and glory my heart longed for and a depth of the presence of the Lord within that I had never known before. it was as if rivers of living waters were preceeding from my innermost being. …” – Ms. Agnes Ozman [ Personal Testimony of being the first person to Receive the Holy Ghost at “Stones Folly” in Topeka, Kansas. (January 1, 1901) Printed in the Apostolic Faith April – 1951 ]
Source:
https://www.apostolicarchives.com/articles/article/8801925/173171.htm
Peace to you
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wesley
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Boehler
Prayers Answered, Good Salary and Job is not Testimony that God has approved their ways AGAINST New Testament Traditions
[Email Text] sent 30 July 2023
Hi Dr. Vincent and Prof. Gopi,
Your HR Staff Nesette tried to WhatsApp me again from another number just now only (image 3 attached). I blocked that number because I do NOT want her to reply. I want Dr. Vincent Chian only to reply if he wants to talk about it. If he does not want to talk about it, then let’s just skip it (human free will). Just to refresh your memory and so everyone else knows too, please see image 4 attached where I blocked the initial contact from your school it was spam and it was Mrs. Cynthia Chian (your mom perhaps) who insisted on me getting on it and I gave you every one of my material in full but no job given. It’s okay as I cannot falsely accuse you of using it in any way (only God Knows).
The reason I only want Dr. Vincent to reply is because
1) The fact that yesterday I put up the post and today Nesette changes her phone number proves something is shady (Image 3)
2) I am a Christian and for me I quote this Verse for your reply (if you do or not doesn’t matter) as it stands in regards to Nesette too:
“… If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”…” (John 20:23, NKJV)
3) I want to see if Dr. Vincent is willing to risk his reputation & Bible Verse judgment above that “Nesette is telling the truth and not covering up now”. If you think the Bible Verse has no effect, I want God to Prove it in the Spirit World after we “die”.
4) Please remember I already show grace even in allowing your school to download all my material though I cannot say for sure if they’re using it or not and even after all that yesterday’s scam type job offer was repeated by Nesette after April too and such a provocation makes me to judge since this is too much I have borne (who knows you guys may be playing me out from other school’s employment via contacts so I cannot prove it so let God Judge all of this together not now on earth but after we “die”).
Best Regards,
Jonathan Ramachandran (Jon)
Personal Healing Story from Voices and impossible situations generally due to wrong relationships in the past. My link part image:
I think personally St. Augustine of Hippo is right on this doctrinal point as many other Church Father quotes and First Christianity Quotes agree. Quotes with links (Text):
“… John Wesley, the father of Methodism, demonstrated a break with the Reformers and a decided preference for the Anglican teaching out of which he came. He treated divorce and remarriage in the context of polygamy: “All polygamy is clearly forbidden in these words, wherein our Lord expressly declares, that for any woman who has a husband alive, to marry again is adultery.”[63] The same held true for a man. In contrast to Luther and Calvin, Wesley did not allow divorce on the grounds of cruelty. The only ground was adultery, in which case there was no Scripture forbidding the innocent party from remarrying.[64] …”
[63] Wesley’s Standard Sermons (ed. Edward H. Sugden; London: Epworth Press, 1921) 1:360.
[64] Ibid., 1:360.
Source: https://theologicalstudies.org.uk/article_divorce_snuth.html
The Council of Elvira (c. 300) vigorously opposed remarriage. Women who divorced their husbands, regardless of grounds, were to be excommunicated. If an “innocent” wife (who divorced an adulterous husband) were to remarry, she was to be denied the sacraments until her first husband’s death, after which she might find readmission to the church. Because, however, her crime was not as serious as that of a “guilty” party, if she were to die before her first husband, she might receive the sacrament of extreme unction.[7]
[7] Arendzen, “Ante-Nicene Interpetations,” 238-39
“… Our Lord, therefore, in order to confirm that principle, that a wife should not lightly be put away, made the single exception of fornication; but enjoins that all other annoyances, if any such should happen to spring up, be borne with fortitude for the sake of conjugal fidelity and for the sake of chastity; and he also calls that man an adulterer who should marry her that has been divorced by her husband. And the Apostle Paul shows the limit of this state of affairs, for he says it is to be observed as long as her husband lives; but on the husband’s death he gives permission to marry. …” – Blessed St. Augustine of Hippo, the Third Great Latin Doctor of the Church, who influenced virtually all of subsequent Western philosophy and Catholic theology, as well as a significant amount of Protestant theology, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church (c. 354 AD – c. 430 AD, Augustine, Our Lord’s Sermon on the Mount, Book 1, Chapter 14) Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/16011.htm
“… Martin Luther deplored divorce and “thought it clear, both from the ordinance of creation and the teaching of Christ, that marriage is meant to last throughout life”.[40] He taught that the innocent party in adultery and the innocent party in desertion were exceptions in which divorce was allowed on Scriptural grounds.[40] With regard to the innocent party in adultery, Luther held that “the guilty party severed the marriage tie so that the innocent one can act as though his spouse has died and he is free to marry again”.[40] Concerning the innocent party in desertion, Luther taught that this was an extension of the Pauline privilege as “any husband or wife who deserted the home proved themselves to be unbelievers in fact, whatever they might be in name, and therefore should be treated as such.”[40] …”- Blessed Martin Luther, The First Champion of the Protestant Faith
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_views_on_divorce
For Augustine, “even from the union of the two, the man and woman, marriage bears a certain sacramental character, (which) can no way be dissolved but by the death of one of them.”[11] Such a sacramental bond holds in spite of adultery or divorce. Accordingly, he argued that, while divorce is permissible because of fornication on the part of one spouse (though he candidly admitted that he did not know whether fornication referred to “acts of uncleanness” or to “every transgression of the law on account of unlawful lust,” e.g., idolatry or covetousness), remarriage is out of the question, for, regardless of circumstances or who may be the guilty party, the marriage bond remains.[12] Unless and until the original spouse dies, remarriage is adultery. Source: https://theologicalstudies.org.uk/article_divorce_snuth.html
Thank you
In Image, Jacob (Israel) is often misunderstood to have partaken of some type of partiality and hence quoted by some to justify their nepotism to racism which is utterly wrong. Here I reveal with Bible and First Christianity quote that God Chose Jacob knowing that he will repent and be willing to be cheated even in work context to do the right thing regardless for 14 to 20 years!
i) #chiliasmbook
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IzLcp1E-YoDtpAGY9qfnLeCL7ojc6-nj/view?usp=sharing
ii) #DoctrineBook or #bookofdoctrine
https://drive.google.com/file/d/12QmUFyND5rTAZo4jT5M_qRAukf-hnRBD/view?usp=sharing
Jonathan Academic and Work CV (Latest Update: 10 August 2023) link in free pdf:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xio83O0-hmpl5aPGrxMYvjgygeKPIQ5O/view?usp=sharing
Highlight: Please view the theological explanations from the last chapter listed on the Page on contents in image to understand “Why” I link my Christian Beliefs to my Work methods and how it links to both the Protestant Founders and Earliest Church Fathers in some way. Thank you
The Original Protestants do “not” believe in “Women Pastors” till today. So there is “no” condemnation in following this doctrinal point.
Do Christians need to observe Saturday /Sunday as Sabbath?
The True Church has “nothing” to do with “number of conversions”; please remember that even Praying to Virgin Mary Roman Catholics have “more converts” than your local ‘small modern denomination in comparison’ and has brought the Gospel into ‘new lands and hard territories for 2000 years’ meaning either God is Merciful to save more but Reward & Elect vs Non-Elect Salvation is possible or there are really very few indeed saved and also Christians will “convert” into “any type of Christianity which meets their preconceived ideas even if it’s against New Testament Verses affecting gradation (Matthew 5:17- 20’s least vs great in heaven due to breaking His Commands)”. These are the risks and possibilities in a nutshell so may God Help us to be Wise Biblically. Peace to you
[Text] Explanation is [From Page 2145 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]. What did St. Justin mean when he says “… who say … their souls, when they die, are taken to heaven; do not imagine that they are Christians,? …” Doesn’t that plainly contradict Luke 16:19 – 31? Not really. What St. Justin Martyr means as heaven is far more complex than ‘what we assume’ to be. Both St. Papias of Hierapolis and St. Irenaeous of Lyons expounded that “heaven” was separated into three distinct layers. He referred to the first as just “heaven”, the second as “paradise”, and the third as “the city”. Papias taught that “there is this distinction between the habitation of those who produce a hundredfold, and that of those who produce sixty-fold, and that of those who produce thirty-fold”.
This means that when we die, as Christians, with ‘our soul we will enter Paradise’ immediately (as per Luke 16:19 – 31) and await the ‘redemption of the body’ (Romans 8:23) to enter ‘heaven’ later when He Returns during the First Resurrection (Revelation 20:4 – 6). Yes, a soul with spirit can live in the afterlife abodes or regions such as ‘Abraham’s Bosom’ or Paradise (Luke 16:19 – 31, Revelation 6:10) or be gathered in the New Jerusalem City for the Wedding (Galatians 4:26, Revelation 21:2, Revelation 19:7 – 9) but to ‘live on earth again or to enter higher into the heavens’, we need to partake of the Resurrection First (Revelation 20:4 – 6, Hebrews 11:39 – 40, Hebrews 12:21 – 24). Please also remember that this same St. Justin Martyr has other possible non-Elect Salvation quotes too as I have shown say [From Pages 72 or 221 or 252 onward of the #ChiliasmBook] which is too much to quote here.
St. Justin Martyr is most likely right because:
1) Today in Paradise Verse
Actually Christ did not Say after you resurrect in His Kingdom but corrected that thief and Said, “Today” (the same day they died) they will be in “Paradise”:
“… And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, TODAY you will be with Me in Paradise.”…” (Luke 23:43, NKJV)
2) We can gather in “spirit” first at “Paradise or New Jerusalem” before the “Resurrection” [From Page 1384 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]
“… 22But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 23to the [j]general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel. …” (Hebrews 12:22 – 24, NKJV)
Note: The “heavenly Jerusalem CITY” (Lowest Heaven) seems to be the “common gathering place of the Church too” of those of the “firstborn” or “First Resurrection”.
3) But only AFTER the Resurrection (with full NEW BODY) we can partake of the TREE of LIFE in this PARADISE [From Page 181 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
“… He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the CHURCHES. To him who overcomes I WILL GIVE TO EAT from the TREE OF LIFE, which is in the midst of the Paradise of God. …” (Revelation 2:7, NKJV)
“… 12“And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to GIVE TO EVERY ONE ACCORDING TO HIS WORK. 13I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.” 14BLESSED are those WHO DO HIS COMMANDMENTS, that they may have the RIGHT to THE TREE OF LIFE, and may ENTER through the GATES INTO THE CITY. 15But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie. 16“I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star. …” (Revelation 22:12 – 16, NKJV)
Peace to you
Loving Judas is the silliest quote and it means using Church Money for Prosperity blessing as they like and also NO charity Doctrine with that money.
Esau the Example that Prosperity is NOT Proof of God’s Endorsement and even means UNSAVED and HATED by GOD
Depths of “Biblical” Thought but it must also be found in Church Fathers and/or Protestant Founders for me where if they differ only there’s possibilities in Doctrine (someone could be in error, let God Decide) but on points which they have all agreed, I don’t argue as I demonstrated in the #DoctrineBook or #BookofDoctrine. Peace to you.
A Summary regarding What I think God’s Will is for ALL Christians
#FollowChrist #newtestamenttraditions #ApostlePaul #christian #christianity #protestant #Protestantism #ChurchFathers #church #johnwesley #methodist #methodistchurch #ProsperityGospel #CharityDoctrine #parableofthesower #Give #ireneus #DoctoroftheChurch .
I don’t think the Church Fathers and Protestant Founders have erred on this part because they are following “what is Written”. Example: Christ Himself NEVER ordained one woman pastor nor sent any women to the preaching excursions he did with males (He never set that example). What is “possible” is the “modern women pastors & those who follow their ways etc.” claims “contradict” each other even more. Can the Holy Spirit of God Say one thing to a woman pastor and another thing to another woman pastor? Wanna try an experiment to prove this, it’s simple. Let’s take 100 pastors from pentecostal churches and ask them to pray and vote for say 3 candidates who God thinks should be president of their Bible own Bible School, and since all of them claim to “hold direct conversation with the Most Blessed Spirit of God”, are you sure all 100 of them will vote for the “same person”? Please remember that Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is Unforgiven which is word spoken against Him (Matthew 12:30 -32). Example in image.
#Womenpastors #MartinLuther #Lutheran #FirstProtestant #ChurchFathers #BibleVerse .
Someone from the “Orthodox” Church said that “Chiliasm is a heresy”.
Reply
Simple Answers with Actual Church History does NOT support anyone against #Chiliasm
Example:
There is NO error in Chiliasm. The “priest” you quoted is NOT the one appointed in the lineage of the Blessed Apostles because they do NOT believe in CHILIASM anymore. Here are the ones to consider:
“… Millennialism was taught by various earlier writers such as Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Commodian, Lactantius, Methodius, and Apollinaris of Laodicea in a form now called premillennialism.[9] According to religious scholar Rev. Dr. Francis Nigel Lee,[10] “Justin’s ‘Occasional Chiliasm’ sui generis which was strongly anti-pretribulationistic was followed possibly by Pothinus in A.D. 175 and more probably (around 185) by Irenaeus”. … MELITO OF SARDIS is frequently listed as a second century proponent of premillennialism.[12] The support usually given for the supposition is that “Jerome [Comm. on Ezek. 36] and Gennadius [De Dogm. Eccl., Ch. 52] both affirm that he was a decided millenarian.”[13] In the early third century, Hippolytus of Rome … Around 220, there were some similar influences on Tertullian, although only with very important and extremely optimistic (if not perhaps even postmillennial) modifications and implications. On the other hand, “Christian Chiliastic” ideas were indeed advocated in 240 by Commodian; in 250 by the Egyptian Bishop Nepos in his Refutation of Allegorists; in 260 by the almost unknown Coracion; and in 310 by Lactantius. Into the late fourth century, Bishop Ambrose of Milan had millennial leanings (Ambrose of Milan. Book II. On the Belief in the Resurrection, verse 108). Lactantius is the last great literary defender of chiliasm in the early Christian church. …”
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennialism
By the way before you ask whether can Orthodox Christianity be wrong? Well you guys see Roman Catholics as wrong meaning if they can be wrong so can you and anyone else. My style: Unless you can find Church Fathers “greater” in the lineage of the Blessed Apostles listed above who ALL BELIEVE in CHILIASM (where the details contradict or are misunderstood, we can debate as evidence is there for First Christianity), I am “not” going to follow your school of thought.
Yet again, thank you for sharing your points so anyone can read both sides and decide for themselves which is right.
Peace to you
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[Text] Another Bible Verse which proves #ProsperityGospel false because the “righteous” is “perishing” on “earthly life perspective” but the “wicked” is “prospering” in “earthly life perspective” meaning there is NO such promise even for those “obedient to God”. Please remember that the #ProsperityGospel exists on the fact that if you are obedient to God, then “#Health and #Wealth will be proof and given 100% guaranteed. See the FALSE TEACHING here? Please don’t be deceived.
“… There is a vanity which occurs on earth, that THERE ARE JUST MEN TO WHOM IT HAPPENS ACCORDING TO THE WORK OF THE WICKED; again, THERE ARE WICKED MEN TO WHOM IT HAPPENS ACCORDING TO THE WORK OF THE RIGHTEOUS. I said that this also is vanity. …” (Ecclesiastes 8:14, NKJV)
[From Page 367 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]
Yes, Strangely, these Bible Verses also describe that the “WICKED” have “NO PANGS in their DEATH” meaning they “die peacefully” and “have healthy bodies prior too”, Verses:
“… 3For I was envious of the boastful, When I saw the PROSPERITY OF THE WICKED. 4For there are NO [A]PANGS IN THEIR DEATH, But their strength is firm. 5They are not in trouble as other men, Nor are they plagued like other men. 6Therefore pride serves as their necklace; Violence covers them like a garment. 7Their [b]eyes bulge with abundance; THEY HAVE MORE THAN HEART COULD WISH. …” (Psalm 73:3 – 7, NKJV)
Then what is the LAW in which GOD GOVERNS HEALTH and WEALTH? “TIME and CHANCE” meaning CONTENTMENT DOCTRINE no matter what happens and keep doing HIS WILL of FAITH and GOOD WORKS especially CHARITY DOCTRINE by RELATIVE MEASURE as even this SAME BOOK of ECCLESIASTES CONCLUDES likewise, example Verses [From Page 234 onward of the #DoctrineBook]:
“… 11I returned and saw under the sun that— The race is not to the swift, Nor the battle to the strong, Nor bread to the wise, NOR RICHES to MEN OF UNDERSTANDING, Nor favor to men of skill; But TIME AND CHANCE HAPPEN to THEM ALL. …” (Ecclesiastes 9:11, NKJV)
“… 9What profit has the worker from that in which he labors? 10I have seen the GOD-GIVEN TASK with which the SONS OF MEN are to be OCCUPIED. 11He has MADE EVERYTHING BEAUTIFUL IN ITS TIME. Also HE HAS PUT ETERNITY [Olam/Aeon] IN THEIR HEARTS, except that NO ONE CAN FIND OUT THE WORK THAT GOD DOES FROM BEGINNING TO END. 12I know that NOTHING IS BETTER for them than to REJOICE, and TO DO GOOD IN THEIR LIVES, 13and also that every man should eat and drink and enjoy the good of all his labor—it is the gift of God. …” (Ecclesiastes 3:9 – 13, NKJV)
Which type of DO GOOD? Obeying CHRIST’s COMMANDMENTS especially CHARITY DOCTRINE being the CROWN of PERFECTION: [From Page 1311 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]
“… 16Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good[d] Teacher, what GOOD THING SHALL I DO that I may have ETERNAL LIFE?” 17So He said to him, [e]“Why do you call Me good? [f]No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to ENTER INTO LIFE, KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS.” 18He said to Him, “WHICH ONES?” JESUS SAID, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ” 20The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept [g]from my youth. WHAT DO I STILL LACK?” 21JESUS SAID to him, “IF you want to be PERFECT, go, SELL what YOU HAVE and GIVE to the POOR, and YOU WILL HAVE TREASURE IN HEAVEN; and come, FOLLOW ME.” 22But when the young man heard that saying, he went away SORROWFUL, for he had GREAT POSSESSIONS. …” (Matthew 19:16 – 22, NKJV)
No Wisdom is above what CHRIST TAUGHT here FOR LIFE. Peace to you
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Link for Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buE_noh3VR0
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WHY I do NOT and NEVER will PRAY to VIRGIN MARY NOR the Saints Practice. Simple: 1 Corinthians 4:6 Says to NOT to go beyond “What is Written” and even Dr. Taylor Marshall the famous “Roman” Catholic defender admits that he “cannot” find Prayers to Virgin Mary in the BIBLE, and so the only SCRIPTURAL CONCLUSION here is DO NOT DO IT. End of Argument. Peace to you
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Unwritten women pastors to Prayers to Virgin Mary – 1 Corinthians 4:6 Says to NOT to go beyond “What is Written” in CONTEXT of New Testament Traditions (especially those enforced with Old Testament too such as NO Women Pastors as per 1 Timothy 2:12 with Isaiah 3:12 or 1 Corinthians 14:33 etc.)
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[From Page 878 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
“… Where, then, was the first man placed? In paradise certainly, as the Scripture declares And God planted a garden [paradisum] eastward in Eden, and there He placed the man whom He had formed. Genesis 2:8 And then afterwards when [man] proved disobedient, he was cast out thence into this world. Wherefore also the elders who were disciples of the apostles tell us that those who were translated were transferred to that place (for paradise has been prepared for righteous men, such as have the Spirit; in which place also Paul the apostle, when he was caught up, heard words which are unspeakable as regards us in our present condition 2 Corinthians 12:4), and that there shall they who have been translated remain until the consummation [of all things], as a prelude to immortality.…” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, Against Heresies (Book 5(V), Chapter 5, Points 1, 2-partial)) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103505.htm
[From Page 153 onward of the #MyCV1Sep2023]
This means that when we die, as Christians, with ‘our soul we will enter Paradise’ immediately (as per Luke 16:19 – 31) and await the ‘redemption of the body’ (Romans 8:23) to enter ‘heaven’ later when He Returns during the First Resurrection (Revelation 20:4 – 6). Yes, a soul with spirit can live in the afterlife abodes or regions such as ‘Abraham’s Bosom’ or Paradise (Luke 16:19 – 31, Revelation 6:10) or be gathered in the New Jerusalem City for the Wedding (Galatians 4:26, Revelation 21:2, Revelation 19:7 – 9) but to ‘live on earth again or to enter higher into the heavens’, we need to partake of the Resurrection First (Revelation 20:4 – 6, Hebrews 11:39 – 40, Hebrews 12:21 – 24). Some portions of Paradise such as the tree of life is only accessible after bodily resurrection (Revelation 22:14) but yet this “heavenly Jerusalem” can be the “gathering of all the Church (Elect) in their spirit-state” as Hebrews 12:22 – 24 reveals. Compare below:
“… 12“And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to GIVE TO EVERY ONE ACCORDING TO HIS WORK. 13I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.” 14BLESSED are those WHO DO HIS COMMANDMENTS, that they may have the RIGHT to THE TREE OF LIFE, and may ENTER through the GATES INTO THE CITY. 15But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie. 16“I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star. …” (Revelation 22:12 – 16, NKJV)
“… 22But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 23to the [j]general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel. …” (Hebrews 12:22 – 24, NKJV)
Note: The “heavenly Jerusalem CITY” (Lowest Heaven) seems to be the “common gathering place of the Church too” of those of the “firstborn” or “First Resurrection”. Peace to you
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How to Know God? God Says Do Charity Doctrine
Love is Obeying His “New Testament” Commandments. Explanation in Image.
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[Text] Indeed that’s why I follow Protestant Founders and Church Fathers on the points which they agreed as Doctrine because they cannot be “false teachers” and for the doctrinal points where they have “differed”, someone is wrong and so I keep it as “possibilities” of doctrine instead. Those not Church fathers nor protestant founders could be the “counterfeits” and so I keep away from those parts and only do say “Charity Doctrine” since that we must work together with all and do to them regardless of race, doctrinal differences, different denominations, different gender or even different religion even. Peace to you
New Testament Verse by Christ Directly:
“… Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you. …” (Luke 22:20, NKJV)
[From Pages 305/438/1082 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]
The New Covenant is all about “Doing Good Works” for keeping (obeying) “our part of the Covenant”, Verse:
“… 20Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our LORD JESUS, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the BLOOD of the EVERLASTING COVENANT 21MAKE YOU PERFECT in EVERY GOOD WORK to DO HIS WILL, working in you that which is WELL PLEASING in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. …” (Hebrews 13:20 – 21, KJV)
Peace to you
Loving oneself and others Biblically. Self Examination: Are we LOVING BIBLICALLY as CHRIST COMMANDED with OUR MONEY (Finance Context)? Please read carefully as there is NO Christian (“Sons of Most High”) without this DOCTRINE.
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[Text] The “them” (plural) is Hebrews 13:7 is Church Leaders (so Protestant Founders and Church Fathers) “whose faith we are to follow” and the reason is given in Verse 8 as because Jesus Christ is Same FOREVER meaning in this CONTEXT you CANNOT have a “different faith” than what LORD JESUS CHRIST gave the Protestant Founders and Church Fathers. Can you see the ‘real meaning’? So how is “your personal modern Christianity” obeying this Verse? Let each examine themselves. Peace to you
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[Text] No such thing. Just some empty claims with no proofs. All them quoted the Bible and also we can match it to earliest Church Fathers writings which contradicts the Roman Catholic position too which means they are preserved as it is but not believed as I have demonstrated in the #ChiliasmBook and #BookofDoctrine. By the way, who do you believe? Yourself is it? If that’s true how come the Most Blessed Holy Spirit of God led all the Protestant Founders and even all the earliest Church Fathers into error (not to mention the billions of Christians in 2000 years) except yourself to truth? And I am supposed to believe this? If you can match your beliefs to Protestant Founders and Church Fathers, then you end up doing the same responsible preaching as I am doing too. Peace to you
[Text] Prosperity Gospel is the only Gospel that teaches to give so we get EARTHLY MONEY BLESSINGS in RETURN. TRUE GOSPEL teaches that GOD REWARDS with HEAVENLY REWARD as CHRIST clearly Revealed both in Luke 6 with phrases “hoping nothing in return” (earthly context, Luke 6:35) but getting “Heavenly” Reward (in the phrase being “SONS of the MOST HIGH” First Resurrection Context, Luke 6:35 with say Luke 20:34 – 36). If a someone says he does NOT want earthly NOR Heavenly Reward, that’s NOT a Christian and may his own words be done to him in that such ones WILL NEVER ENTER HEAVEN because THEY SAID they DID NOT WANT IT, RIGHT? No lies, just honest truth is needed. Peace to you
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[Text] The Woman in the Well went and told the people to come and see Lord Jesus (same thing only was done by the women who saw Lord Jesus First at the Resurrection). Giving an “invite” does NOT make one a “Pastor” or “Doctrinal Authority” to do “Priestly Duties”. In fact, you can see in those Verses that Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ did NOT ever SEND HER NOR any other WOMEN (including His Mother, Virgin Mary the “Most Blessed” of all women too) to “PREACH the GOSPEL” excursions which He ONLY sent males even before the Resurrection and After. Can you SEE it? Women can share the gospel (am not against that) and can give invites to come to a “MALE PREACHER” but she CANNOT teach with AUTHORITY DOCTRINE NOR DO PRIESTLY/PASTOR Duties as CHRIST Revealed through Blessed Apostle St. Paul in these Verses (and neither did GOD ALLOW WOMEN PRIESTS in the OLD TESTAMENT either and He never used the argument of “more helps better” and also NO MAINSTREAM CHRISTIANITY before the 20th century had WOMEN PASTORS proving EVANGELISM WAS FINE WITHOUT them DOING THAT ROLE – can you REALLY see it? Yep NO Protestant Founder NOR Church Fathers endorsed “women pastors” either except chief heretics such as “Marcion” whom Blessed St. Polycarp the Disciple of Blessed Apostle St. John called as “Firstborn of Satan” for “many reasons”):
Part of WOMEN to be SAVED DOCTRINE in 1 Timothy lists this CONDITION of NOT HAVING WOMEN PASTORS as part of GODLINESS DOCTRINE as follows (Bible Verses not opinions):
“… 9in like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and [e]moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing, 10but, which is proper for WOMEN PROFESSING GODLINESS, WITH GOOD WORKS. 11Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. 12And I DO NOT PERMIT A WOMAN to TEACH OR TO HAVE AUTHORITY OVER A MAN, but TO BE IN SILENCE. 13For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. 15Nevertheless SHE WILL BE SAVED IN CHILDBEARING if they continue in FAITH, LOVE, AND HOLINESS, WITH SELF-CONTROL. …” (1 Timothy 2:9 – 15, NKJV)
Comment: If God does not permit a woman to be a pastor to her “own husband”, that same God cannot allow a women to be a pastor to “another man’s husband either, can you see it?”
You are “not” under a “spiritual leadership” which pleases God but under an oppression when this happens (i.e. with “women spiritual leaders”):
“… As FOR MY PEOPLE, children are their oppressors, And WOMEN RULE OVER THEM. O My people! Those WHO LEAD YOU CAUSE YOU TO ERR, And DESTROY THE WAY OF YOUR PATHS.” …” (Isaiah 3:12, NKJV)
Peace to you
[Text] Please read the explanation in full where the point is this:
Can you SEE it? Women can share the gospel (am not against that) and can give invites to come to a “MALE PREACHER” but she CANNOT teach with AUTHORITY DOCTRINE NOR DO PRIESTLY/PASTOR Duties.
Christ never made any women pastors nor priests nor sent any woman to preach the Gospel even when He Sent males, so why not follow Christ?
Also Christ Appointed Apostle St. Paul as the “Apostle to the Gentiles” meaning we must obey it because Apostle Paul already declared that these are “commands of the Lord” when “Written” (1 Corinthians 14:37) and only when it is “not” God’s Command, Apostle St. Paul says he is presenting an opinion etc. So either way, the conclusion of doctrine remains same and as a bonus all Church Fathers and Protestant Founders and even mainstream Christianity before the 20th century never had “women pastors” which proves that the Most Blessed Holy Spirit of God led them this way only. So for the claim that the Holy Spirit of God suddenly decided to change this part (unless it was say found in Protestant Founders and Church Fathers but not followed such as #Chiliasm) it DOES NOT MAKE SENSE, right? Following the path of “no” women pastors has “no” condemnation because Church Fathers and Protestant Founders are not in Hell. Peace to you
#WhatHeSaid #LordJesusChrist #WomenPastors #WomanattheWell #Theology .
Women Pastors in Church History only over Women and never in authority over men
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[Text] The more important question is: how do you know God approved Jennifer’s pastor? Just because of conversion numbers and good feelings is it? That’s exactly how say orthodox and and Roman Catholics also “feel” when they think they are right as well. Martin Luther (first Protestant) and neither John Calvin (Founder of the Reformed Churches) nor even John Wesley (Founder of the Methodist) churches would have approved Jennifer’s pastor as I pointed to their quotes in the #DoctrineBook . Also neither would any Church Father approve Jennifer’s women-pastor and all of them for 1900 years must be wrong for Jennifer’s Pastor to be ordained based on “God Spoke to her”? This ambiguity part is how she is ordained and if you take say a 100 women pastors and ask them to vote for say a president from 3 candidates among them, I’m pretty sure they would NOT all vote for the “same person” but “all claiming” God Spoke to them directly the candidate of their choice is to be chosen (so someone is wrong) and upon this type of “claims” is how “women pastors”
are formed and not on Bible Verses. So it’s too risky for me and I will stick with the ones GOD has CHOSEN such as Protestant Founders and Church Fathers with BIBLE VERSES all disapproving it. Peace to you
[Text] No need to mute anyone. A lot of posts in this group itself has different Christian perspectives. At least mine has Church History, Protestant Founders and Church Fathers. So it is equivalent to muting them all and listening to your women pastor and their supporters and that’s okay with you? It’s that “unfair”.
I already said earlier women can share the gospel but cannot take “authority in position” and you are confusing that two aspects (for example any man also can share the gospel but not all men are pastors or deacons or bishops – can you see it?). But you LIED that the 70 included women because CHURCH HISTORY SAYS it’s ALL MEN even in the BIBLE never mentions women s Luke 10:1 only uses masculine pronouns and agrees with even CHURCH HISTORY by NAME, example links:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventy_disciples
or https://orthodoxwiki.org/Seventy_Apostles
Peace to you
[Text] I am not stuck anywhere. You are just following “someone’s assumption” while I am following “Bible Verses”, actual Church History, Church Fathers and Protestant Founders. You are already judgmental when you approve women pastors against Scripture (judging Scripture to be false even) and then claiming we are judging you when we quote Scripture. See the contradiction?
God’s Church, God’s Rules. It’s like asking, how come none of the 12 Apostles are women? Wouldn’t it be fair if God Gave a chance for a women to be one of the 12 Apostles of the Lamb (Revelation 21:14)? Or arguing that a woman can do the apostle job better than a man and God should have given it? Can you REALLY SEE the type of argument which you are supporting? God did NOT chose any of the 12 Apostles as women itself shows His Gender based Command and not to forget the 144000 Firstfruits of Salvation (kind of like tithes of Salvation, the holiest lot) itself consists only of “unmarried, Jewish Virgin Men” (Revelation 14:4). –>(meaning is God unfair not to include “married” or is He a racist to “not” include Gentiles in it or unfair to “Gender” by not including “women”? Of course not. He knows who can do it best etc. by HIS WILL – His Foreknowledge and all this is New Testament and Final Salvation and Reward Context). Peace to you
Golden Rule: Is it about endorsing Women Pastors?
#LordJesusChrist #GoldenRule #Context #CharityDoctrine .
[Text] Is the Christianity I follow Biblical?
Church Fathers and Protestant Founders as we can be like that as the example of Martin Luther the Protestant also shows. In fact, in the almost Scripture (because many early Church considered 1 Clement to be Scripture but later councils did not on the sole reason Blessed St. Clement of Rome was not an apostle but a direct disciple of Blessed Apostle St. Peter), we find the following CHRISTIANITY PERFECTLY PROPHESIED which I FOLLOW:
[From Page 179 onward of the #DoctrineBook]
“… Who then among you is NOBLE-MINDED? who compassionate? who FULL OF LOVE? Let him declare, “IF ON MY ACCOUNT SEDITION and DISAGREEMENT AND SCHISMS HAVE ARISEN, I WILL DEPART, I WILL GO AWAY whithersoever you desire, and I WILL DO WHATEVER THE MAJORITY COMMANDS; only let the flock of Christ live on terms of peace with the presbyters set over it.” HE THAT ACTS THUS SHALL PROCURE TO HIMSELF GREAT GLORY IN THE LORD; and EVERY PLACE WILL WELCOME HIM. For “the earth is the Lord’s, and the fulness thereof.” These things they WHO LIVE A GODLY LIFE, that is NEVER TO BE REPENTED OF, BOTH HAVE DONE AND ALWAYS WILL DO. … ” – Blessed St. Clement of Rome, an Apostolic Father being a direct Disciple of the Blessed Apostle St. Peter (c.35 AD – c. 99 AD, 1 Clement Chapter 54)
Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1010.htm
Notice that the “PERSON who LEAVES CHURCH” is NOT said to NEED to CHANGE his ways (if he FOLLOWS say St. Irenaeous or other greats) as it is NEVER to be repented of and in fact is PROMISED “GREAT GLORY” in the LORD (whatever GREAT REWARD that means). Please notice that if the Roman Catholics wished to “change” this writing, I think they would have forced that person to agree with their church and must stay as they & other schisms (denominations) all preach likewise, right? So this is clear internal evidence that this quote must have been preserved as it is and it’s so mature and professional & notice also that GREAT REWARD can be GOTTEN WITHOUT BEING INVOLVED in CHURCH. Can you see it?
secular positions woman can hold such as “Judges” who were replaced by “kings” meaning woman can be CEO to anything else. A prophetess is not a priest and can prophesy, the Bible doesn’t prohibit that (but she must make sure her prophecy is from God). However a male prophet can double as a priest too. Yes, Priesthood YHWH only gave to the “Sons” of Levi and neither extended it to woman via Christ in the New Testament Who also only gave it to men beginning with the “apostles” (the highest position among the priesthood).
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[Text] A prophetess does not rank above any New Testament Tradition command even and cannot teach against it meaning all those gender commands apply and here’s the Bible Verse for that (please notice the word “prophet” in it)
“… 16But if ANYONE SEEMS TO BE CONTENTIOUS, WE HAVE NO SUCH CUSTOM, NOR DO THE CHURCHES OF GOD … 32And the SPIRITS OF THE PROPHETS are SUBJECT TO THE PROPHETS. 33For GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF [I]CONFUSION but of PEACE, as in ALL THE CHURCHES OF THE SAINTS. 34Let [j]YOUR WOMEN KEEP SILENT IN THE CHURCHES, for they are NOT PERMITTED TO SPEAK; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. 35And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is SHAMEFUL FOR WOMEN TO SPEAK IN CHURCH. 36Or did the word of God come originally from you? Or was it you only that it reached? 37If ANYONE THINKS HIMSELF TO BE a PROPHET or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things WHICH I WRITE to you are the COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD. …” (1 Corinthians 11:16, 14:16, 32 – 37, NKJV)
A Logic regarding God’s Sovereignty: God only allows the leaders we deserve (that’s why Roman Catholics can be wrong for 2000 years even) and if we respect God to say St. Irenaeous of Lyons’ levels, we get that type of leader etc.
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Example Chiliasm Prophet St. Melito of Sardis in First Christianity who followed after St. Ireneaous of Lyons and that’s why I said St. Irenaeous of Lyons can be a Prophet level too as Chiliasm is a Prophecy position via St. Jerome of the Vulgate and Tertullian’s testimony.
St. Jerome of the Vulgate writes in (De Viris Illustribus On Illustrious Men, Chapter 24 and 45 mentions St. Melito of Sardis), Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/2708.htm
or
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melito_of_Sardis
or
https://anastpaul.com/2019/04/01/saint-of-the-day-1-april-st-melito-died-c-180/
#Chiliasm #Ireneus #Melito #Prophet #ProphetinChristianity #Jerome #Vulgate .
Why CHILIASM Church Fathers can be the “Prophets” of New Testament?
“… After them, now the churches are strengthened by faith, having been given the comfort of interpreting the writings of the prophets; which interpreters he called prophets. For the Apostle says: And He also placed in the Church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers and the rest. And in another place he says: Two or three prophets speak, and let others evaluate, and he says: Every woman praying or prophesying without a veiled head defiles her head…”– Blessed St. Victorinus, Bishop of Pettau, the First and Oldest Christian Commentary on the Apocalypse of John or Book of Revelation, Martyr for Christ (c. 303 AD)Source [‘Commentary on the Apocalypse’, circa 3rd Century, Chapter 10, Page 12]:
#Chiliasm #Ireneus #ChurchFathers #ChiliasmChurchFathers #Victorinus #Tertullian #JustinMartyr #NoProphecyofScriptureisofAnyPrivateInterpretation #ProphetsinChristianity #ChristianProphet #Prophet .
If I am MAD for WRITING in BIG LETTERS, then would you say FAIRLY the SAME that Mr. DONALD TRUMP, ex-AMERICAN PRESIDENT is ALSO MAD because he USES the SAME WRITING STYLE (except for possibly coloured fonts “power reading”?) Here’s Proof from a news on 27 Sep 2023, link:
https://malaysia.news.yahoo.com/trump-freaks-judge-finds-him-025225996.html
#Psychology #BIGLETTERS #CAPITALLETTERS #Psychologist #Trump #DonalTrump #AmericanPresident #Billionaire #Rich #Poor #Mad #Gila #Symptoms #WritingStyle .
[Text] NO Division and “in everything” do unto others what you want them to do to you CONTEXT DISCUSSION
Oh that’s a common fallacy as you are quoting that Verse wrongly because other Verses such as 1 Corinthians 1:10 clearly states that let there be “no divisions among you” meaning to cause division is “sin” we have to accept all mainstream Churches regardless if we think they are right (for me it means, Catholic, Orthodox and conservative Protestants such as Martin Luther, John Wesley, John Calvin types and NOT cults like JW, Mormon etc.). Regarding Pentecostal churches, I do NOT need to participate say in their “speaking in tongues” and “God told me so claims” but on the things they are following Scripture such as say if they do “Charity Doctrine”, I am willing to join them too in that. So as long as we avail ourself while explaining our position where we disagree with them, that’s “no” division way and “love your neighbour as yourself” or “do unto others what you want others to do to you part” without CONTRADICTING New Testament Traditions NOR God’s Commands meaning we keep them. Some silly Christianity thinks in “everything” means even AGAINST say New Testament Traditions they are fulfilling do unto others which is WRONG because in analogy then THEY HAVE TO APPROVE EVEN A PEDOPHILE or a RAPIST or MURDERER since it’s in “everything” they say. Such silliness is obvious. By the way, the Verse you quoted that CHRIST brings a SWORD and NOT PEACE does NOT mean what you say in CHRISTIAN COLONISATION CONTEXT justified but this [From Page 243 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]:
“… 34“Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. ’35For I HAVE COME TO SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER’, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; 36and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’ 37He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 10:34 – 37, NKJV)
Comment: The only “sword” Christ came to Bring “against Peace” is NOT EARTHLY WARS of Killing each other (as some Christians err) but ONLY WITHIN FAMILY where YOU CAN BE AGAINST YOUR FATHER EVEN if he is AGAINST CHRIST’S WORDS (Commands). Peace to you
#LordJesusChrist #WhatHeSaid #Sword #NotPeace #EarthlyWars #FamilyDivision #Christian #NonChristian #Division #NoDivision #NewTestamentTraditions #Context #GodsCommands #Matthew712 #1Corinthians110 #DoUntoOtherswhatYouWantOtherstodotoYou .
The ERROR of not having CHARITY DOCTRINE but PRAYING and FASTING for 70 years!
Did you know?
[From Page 1170 & 1171 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]
“… ‘WHEN YOU FASTED AND MOURNED in the fifth and seventh months DURING THOSE SEVENTY YEARS, DID YOU REALLY FAST FOR ME—FOR ME? …” (Zechariah 7:5, NKJV)
Please notice carefully that God Only Asked about this AFTER SEVENTY YEARS they have practicing such “religious observation faithfully” and NEVER CORRECTED THEM EARLIER ALLOWING THEM TO BE IN ERROR FOR SUCH A LONG TIME.
The CHARITY DOCTRINE CORRECTION aspect so that THEIR FASTING AND PRAYERS are ACCEPTED is SEEN WHEN THESE VERSES are quoted in “full” as follows:
“… 4Then THE WORD OF THE LORD of hosts came to me, saying, 5“Say to ALL THE PEOPLE OF THE LAND, and TO THE PRIESTS: ‘WHEN YOU FASTED AND MOURNED in the fifth and seventh months DURING THOSE SEVENTY YEARS, DID YOU REALLY FAST FOR ME—FOR ME? 6When YOU EAT AND WHEN YOU DRINK, DO YOU NOT EAT AND DRINK FOR YOURSELVES? 7Should you not have OBEYED THE WORDS WHICH THE LORD proclaimed through the FORMER PROPHETS when Jerusalem and the cities around it were inhabited and prosperous, and the [f]South and the Lowland were inhabited?’ ”
8Then THE WORD OF THE LORD CAME TO ZECHARIAH, saying, 9“Thus says the Lord of hosts: ‘EXECUTE TRUE JUSTICE, Show [g]MERCY AND COMPASSION Everyone to his brother. 10Do not OPPRESS THE WIDOW OR THE FATHERLESS, The ALIEN OR THE POOR.
Let none of you plan evil in his heart Against his brother.’ 11“But they refused to heed, shrugged[h] their shoulders, and stopped[i] their ears so that they could not hear. 12Yes, they made their hearts like flint, REFUSING TO HEAR THE LAW and THE WORDS WHICH THE LORD OF HOSTS had sent by HIS SPIRIT THROUGH THE FORMER PROPHETS. Thus GREAT WRATH came from the Lord of hosts. …” (Zechariah 7:4 – 12, NKJV)
Comment: OPRESSING the POOR or WIDOW or FATHERLESS is “not” just when one does direct harm but also WHEN ONE DOES NOT GIVE GOD’s MONEY or CHURCH MONEY to them as CHRIST HAS WARNED LIKEWISE in Luke 11:39 – 42 as I have discussed at the end of this Book in detail too. Peace to you
#LordJesusChrist #WhatHeSaid #Love #Sins #JudgmentofSins #LoveCoversAllSins #CharityDoctrine #Fast #Pray #Doctrine #Forgiven #Healing #NewTestament #NewTestamentTraditions #Context #GodsCommands #Luke747 #Proverbs1012 #Isaiah58 #1Peter48 #Zechariah747 #DoUntoOtherswhatYouWantOtherstodotoYou .
Secret of “Healing” via “Prayer and Fasting” according to God includes primarily the “Charity Doctrine”
[From Page 1168 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]
“… ‘Why have WE FASTED,’ they say, ‘and YOU HAVE NOT SEEN? Why have WE AFFLICTED OUR SOULS, and YOU TAKE NO NOTICE?’ …” (Isaiah 58:3, NKJV)
Part of the Answer (God’s Reply):
“… 7Is it not to SHARE YOUR BREAD with the HUNGRY, And that you bring to your house THE POOR who are cast out; When you see THE NAKED, that you cover him, And not hide yourself from YOUR OWN FLESH? 8Then YOUR LIGHT shall break forth like the MORNING,
YOUR HEALING shall spring forth speedily, .’ …” (Isaiah 58:7 – 8, NKJV)
[From Page 2443 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]
Blessed are the Churches and Christians who live the #CharityDoctrineLifestyle . Even your sins are covered from Judgment if you love like this (again, CHRIST HIMSELF TAUGHT THIS DIRECTLY as follows)
“… And above all things have fervent love for one another, for “LOVE will COVER a MULTITUDE OF SINS.” …”(1 Peter 4:8, NKJV)
“… Therefore I say to you, HER SINS, which are MANY, ARE FORGIVEN, for SHE LOVED MUCH. But to whom little is forgiven, the same loves little. …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 7:47, NKJV)
“… But LOVE COVERS ALL SINS. …” (Proverbs 10:12, NKJV)
In light of Christ’s Quotes we understand that the “Charity Doctrine” removes the “Judgment of Sins“* but it cannot give new life nor give Resurrection.
Only the Blood of Christ Can Remove Sin itself and bring us to the Resurrection Life beginning within us on earth itself. So only Christ’s Atonement and Work Gives us Life.
#LordJesusChrist #WhatHeSaid #Love #Sins #JudgmentofSins #LoveCoversAllSins #CharityDoctrine #Fast #Pray #Doctrine #Forgiven #Healing #NewTestament #NewTestamentTraditions #Context #GodsCommands #Luke747 #Proverbs1012 #Isaiah58 #1Peter48 #DoUntoOtherswhatYouWantOtherstodotoYou .
[Text] Christ Said Hard Rich Man to Enter Heaven and that’s the Context here as well to be “poor in spirit” to “Enter Kingdom of Heaven”. The Answer lies in Christ in Matthew 19:16 – 30 (entire conversation) where to “Follow Him” (the “Real Belief in Him”) Christ Included the “Charity Doctrine” of “Sell all you have and give to the poor” to be “perfect” level to enter heaven “treasure in heaven” (even in Luke 12:46 – 48) meaning we fall short of it by “Relative Measure” and get either “thirtyfold, sixtyfold and hundredfold” levels since the word “hundredfold” indicating inheritance reward level is mentioned in Matthew 19:29 which is a different word from “Eternal Life” which is free as Saved by Grace means. This can also mean some or “nations who are saved” in the Final New Earth but not entering heaven as Revelation 21:24 describes as different from the “Bride” which is described descending from “Heaven” in Revelation 21:9. Please remember that “not saved by works” is “true” and “works of law includes Holiness Doctrine” but then without Holiness no one will see the Lord or will be saved meaning same way Charity Doctrine is likewise a fruit by relative measure as Christ Taught in both Rich Man and Lazarus Story (Luke 16:19 – 31) and if you don’t believe that literally it’s still true in Christ’s Own Words in “the only Judgment Day” details description in Matthew 25:31 – 46 where Christ never asked if they attended Church or any other religious activity except detailing out Charity Doctrine of what one did when I was hungry, thirsty, naked, homeless and in prison meaning only the suffering ones are exempted as Luke 14 also mentions it in this context that the “lame, maimed (mentally or physically), blind etc.” no need to do it by “relative measure”.
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[Text] Why does Lord Jesus Christ want CHARITY DOCTRINE on Judgment Day
(Matthew 25:31 – 46’s “When I was hungry, thirsty, naked, homeless etc.” with NO other religious act mentioned at all – Why? A Possible Explanation)
1) Zechariah 7:4 – 7 Reveals clearly that God allowed even Israel and its priests of the past to “Pray and Fast” wrongly for 70 years (long time) “without charity doctrine” (Zechariah 7:9 – 10) even toward the “alien” (foreigners, not citizen of the land even) and the “poor” and not just toward “widows and orphans”. In Zechariah 7:5 – 6 God explicitly Asks whether we are “praying and fasting for Him, REALLY? because He Gives the analogy of eating and drinking for ourselves” meaning the #ProsperityGospel type of “claiming Prayers for Requests of #Health and #Wealth enjoyment” is not prayer.
2) We know this because “Prayer & Fasting is to build relationship with God” and God (not me) Reveals in Zechariah 7:5 – 6 that “prayer requests for drinking and eating” enjoyments in analogy of “prayer request generally” is NOT “prayer to Him” because they are asking for “themselves to enjoy” and in Zechariah 7:9 – 10 GOD COMMANDS them to do CHARITY DOCTRINE to ORPHANS, WIDOW, FOREIGNER (Non-Citizen even) and the POOR to imply this SAME MEANING that FASTING & PRAYER is ONLY DONE to GOD if #CHARITYDOCTRINE is DONE to OTHERS in Relative Measure NOT with Church Money or Donation money only but with OWN MONEY included which CHRIST Himself Revealed as “ALMS (Charity) from WHAT YOU HAVE (Money, Skills, Possessions)” to be CLEANSED (Sanctification) in Luke 11:41 – 42 which even TITHES CANNOT fulfil and not using Charity to become rich personally as some receive love offerings like that unless at the end of life they GIVE it BACK to CHARITY as HOARDING for SELF is DISALLOWED meaning HOARDING to GIVE to CHARITY at END of LIFE CAN (in Luke 12:21) with Luke 12:33 – 35 same context to DO CHARITY to KEEP LAMPS LIT (only link phrase to Parable of 5 Wise vs 5 Foolish Virgins of Matthew 25:1 – 13 to become HIS BRIDE, BIG MYSTERY!). All CHRIST’s WORDS ONLY quoted.
Please notice that the OIL the FOOLISH VIRGINS required to ENTER HEAVEN to become HIS BRIDE CAN be SHARED but the WISE SAID they WOULD NOT for REASON then THEY WOULD NOT have ENOUGH and “the HOLY SPIRIT CANNOT be shared” (though He is there in Burning Lamps) as Church Fathers & Protestant Founders taught this same meaning as OIL to refer to CHARITY DOCTRINE as the COMMON MEANING INCLUDED among them which I believe GOD made them NOT to err in this important part with all quotes and major sources there (no empty claims) as Prophecy is NOT of Private Interpretation (2 Peter 1:20). Peace to you
[Text] How many Charitable Organisations are doing their “Work” according to what I believe God’s Will for this is?
Yes indeed, by giving say personal money to so any Charity, it’s then the duty of the charitable organization to do both, namely to create real job opportunities or enhance skills or education for the relevant people group it helps and also need to give handouts for daily needs for scenarios we cannot do much due to physical and mental issues which is usually evidenced by addiction.
Charitable organizations which do not strategize along these paths do not solve the root problems and are just pretending to do charity (cheating the people who support it by just taking salary and name/positions) as they do not use “quality” people who can do both (discriminating those like that because they fear their own flaws and incompetency would be clear in the persons they have hired and to keep their jobs) and thus they just keep to the “old useless way” which hasn’t made any much say educational difference levels nor much income generating skill levels in the so called target groups they have been helping for decades (no KPI measurements in place to make them move seriously about it even in “highly” paid charity jobs too – if they say otherwise, please ask any such organization to give a list of “the educational and/or income generating skill” as evidenced in the lives of the people they have claimed to have helped.
Blessed are those who have contributed genuinely. Only those “maimed” (physically or mentally unable to work) may still be helped but not measured for ability because they are “unable”, logical, right?).
Example: You take a high achieving teacher (say with Olympiad achievements in a subject) and give him the “lowest grade students” while another teacher for same subject with “no” Olympiad achievements but give “highest grade students” to her and then do KPI and say she has to be promoted because her students did best, does it sound fair?
Also such people “rob” the “high grade students” of possible learning of Olympiad level for that subject but they don’t care because they cannot do it and it’s not their children and so they ignore it but when it’s politics time to vote, they “scream merit”?
[From Page 112 onward of the #MyCV2Oct2023]
“… but those who have received liberty set aside ALL THEIR POSSESSIONS for the LORD’s PURPOSES, bestowing joyfully and FREELY NOT THE LESS VALUABLE PORTIONS of THEIR PROPERTY, since they have the hope of better things [hereafter]; as that POOR WIDOW acted who cast all her living into the treasury of God [Luke 21:1 – 3]. … “ – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, Against Heresies (Book 4(IV), Point 6-partial)
Roman Catholic Sources:
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103416.htm
Peace to you
[Text] God needs nothing. The money given to others is proof of love and you do what you can. NO Love, NO God. Simple as that. Love without giving does “not” exist, as that’s like I eat a nice burger in front of you while you are homeless and starve. If you agree, may it happen to you and then you will understand “Why” God Commanded the #CharityDoctrine which is to #Love others in action. Sorry to be harsh but hopefully those who hate “Charity Doctrine” end up in “terrible sickness or mishap in life till they cannot even eat and let them starve to death too if possible” because that’s exactly what it means when we oppose it. God Will NOT intervene directly (Generally) from Heaven to solve it and has given mankind the time to do it now but He Will Judge on Judgment Day based on “Charity Doctrine” as Christ Taught in Matthew 25:31 – 46. Peace to you
#CharityDoctrine #LazarusandRichMan #Hell #Luke16 #Matthew25 #JudgmentDay #Why #Love #Agape #TrueLove .
Source: https://biblehub.com/hebrew/7329.htm
[Text] It’s a simple set of Verses often twisted by Prosperity Gospel but we cannot limit the Verses but read it fully to understand fully, here it is:
1) I can do all things in Christ Context is NOT screaming or claiming Prosperity but accepting “prosperity or financial trouble” which can happen either way as “Contentment”
“… 11Not that I speak in regard to need, for I have learned in whatever state I am, to be content: 12I know how to [d]be abased, and I know how to [e]abound. Everywhere and in all things I have learned both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need. 13I can do all things through [f]Christ who strengthens me. …” (Philippians 4:11 – 13, NKJV)
2) It does NOT talk about giving to “pastors only” but anyone in “need” (notice the word “need” and NOT prosperity)
“…no church shared with me concerning giving and receiving but you only. 16For even in Thessalonica you sent aid once and again for my NECESSITIES. 17Not that I seek the gift, but I seek the fruit that abounds to your account. … 19And my God shall supply all your NEED according to His riches in glory by Christ Jesus. …” (Philippians 4:16, 17, 19, NKJV)This proves CHARITY DOCTRINE”… 25Yet I considered it necessary to send to you EPAPHRODITUS, MY BROTHER, FELLOW WORKER, and FELLOW SOLDIER, but your messenger and THE ONE WHO MINISTERED TO MY NEED; 26since he was longing for you all, and was distressed because you had heard that he was sick. 27For INDEED HE WAS SICK ALMOST UNTO DEATH; but God had mercy on him, and not only on him but on me also, lest I should have sorrow upon sorrow. 28Therefore I sent him the more eagerly, that when you see him again you may rejoice, and I may be less sorrowful. 29Receive him therefore in the Lord with all gladness, and HOLD SUCH MEN IN ESTEEM; 30because FOR THE WORK OF CHRIST HE CAME CLOSE TO DEATH, [h]not regarding his life, to SUPPLY WHAT WAS LACKING IN YOUR SERVICE TOWARD ME. …” (Philippians 2:25 – 30, NKJV)
3) We know that these GIVINGS were NOT just for pastors but for ANYONE in CHURCH with NEED, example Verses (though Apostle St. Paul collected it and distributed it), Verses by him:
i) Notice the phrase “MINISTERING to the SAINTS” (giving was distributed to anyone in need at church and NOT pastors only)
“… 1Moreover, brethren, we make known to you the grace of God bestowed on the churches of Macedonia: 2that in a great trial of affliction the abundance of their joy and THEIR DEEP POVERTY ABOUNDED IN THE RICHES OF THEIR LIBERALITY. 3For I bear witness that ACCORDING TO THEIR ABILITY, YES, AND BEYOND THEIR ABILITY, they were freely willing, 4imploring us with much urgency [a]that we would RECEIVE THE GIFT and the fellowship of the MINISTERING TO THE SAINTS. 5And not only as we had hoped, but they first gave themselves to the Lord, and then to us by the will of God. 6So we urged Titus, that as he had begun, so he would also complete this grace in you as well. 7But as YOU ABOUND IN EVERYTHING—in FAITH, IN SPEECH, IN KNOWLEDGE, in all diligence, and in YOUR LOVE FOR US—SEE THAT YOU ABOUND IN THIS GRACE ALSO. …” – Blessed St. Paul the Great Apostle of Christ (2 Corinthians 8:1 – 7, NKJV)
ii) Notice the phrase “COLLECTION for the SAINTS (which means anyone at Church) and NOT pastors only for Sunday collection or love offerings even)
“… 1Now concerning the COLLECTION FOR THE SAINTS, as I have given orders to the churches of Galatia, so you must do also: 2On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come. 3And when I come, whomever you approve by your letters I WILL SEND TO BEAR YOUR GIFT to Jerusalem. …” – Blessed St. Paul the Great Apostle of Christ (1 Corinthians 16:1 – 3, NKJV)
iii) The focus of NEED and NOT prosperity is even clear for the SAINTS at JERUSALEM with the “POOR” saints mentioned to receive it (please also notice that the SAINTS in JERUSALEM mostly JEWISH themselves could NOT claim any Abrahamic “Prosperity Gospel” claims and make themselves RICH and NEEDED HELP being POOR too despite all the FAITH – Can you see it?)
“… 25But now I am going to Jerusalem to [i]MINISTER TO THE SAINTS. 26For it pleased those from Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain CONTRIBUTION FOR THE POOR AMONG THE SAINTS who are in Jerusalem. 27It pleased them indeed, and they are their debtors. For if the Gentiles have been partakers of their spiritual things, THEIR DUTY is also to MINISTER TO THEM IN MATERIAL THINGS. ..” – Blessed St. Paul the Great Apostle of Christ (Romans 15:25 – 27, NKJV)
These are sample pages from say [From Page 621 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook] and others, more details there
Peace to you
#ProsperityGospel is #False #Contentment #Doctrine #ChurchMoney for #ChurchMembers NOT #Pastors ONLY #GodsWill #Finance #CharityDoctrine .
MyCV9OCT2023 for Theology not CV – sorry From Page 382 onward of #MyCV9Oct2023 below (with Free PDF Link*);
#Loveyourenemies not #Killyourenemies if not both go to #Hell together #CharityDoctrine #TrueLove is to #LoveOthers including #Enemies #WhatWouldJesusDo #WhatHeSaid #BibleVerses not #Opinions of #men as #Nothing #Great in #Loving those who #LoveYou like #Family, #Friends, #SameRace, #SameReligion, #SameLanguage etc.
*I don’t want to write a new book and theology is more important than CV on any day and so I edited this to put it there.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MWc6qWhwdhhuiCDnBxPqN-hA_QRkCn2W/view?usp=sharing
Highlight: Please view the theological explanations from the last chapter listed on the Page on contents in image to understand “Why” I link my Christian Beliefs to my Work methods and how it links to both the Protestant Founders and Earliest Church Fathers in some way.
TQ
MyCV9OCT2023 for Theology not CV – sorry From Page 422 onward of #MyCV9Oct2023 below (with Free PDF Link at start);
#Rapture #Bible #Verses #Context #1Thessalonians417 #1Corinthians1552 with #Blessed #Virgin #Martyr for #Christ #Saint #Methodius of #Olympus a #CHILIASM #ChurchFather #FirstChristianity as #NOProphecyofScriptureisofAnyPrivateInterpretation #2Peter120, right? #Possible so let #God #Decide but we speak #Honesty with #Evidence .
CHILIASM Context for 1Thessalonians 4:17’s RAPTURE and 1 Corinthians 15:52’s “CHANGE” in the “TWINKLING of an EYE”
[Text] Example Proof Quote that Blessed St. Ireneaous of Lyons himself may NOT have believed in pre-tribulation rapture NOR of mid-tribulation rapture but ONLY POST TRIBULATION RAPTURE
[link from Page 384 onward of #MyCV9Oct2023 to Page 606 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
Comment: Please also notice these words from Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons where he does NOT see any Pre-Trib NOR mid-trib rapture but that the SAINTS (not left-behind less-worthy believers) will be put to flight during this LAST 3.5 years of that FINAL Great Tribulation or in the “MIDST of THE WEEK” (Can you “see” it?):
“… he shall also ruin many by deceit, and lead many to perdition, bruising them in his hand like eggs.” And then he points out the time that his tyranny shall last, during which the saints shall be put to flight, they who offer a pure sacrifice unto God: “And in the MIDST of THE WEEK,” he says, “the sacrifice and the libation shall be taken away, and the abomination of desolation [shall be brought] into the temple: even unto the consummation of the time shall the desolation be complete.” Now three years and six months constitute the half-week …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, ‘Against Heresies’, (Book 5(V), Chapter 25), Points 4 – highlighted) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103525.htm
Compare with Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons own words below that only a POST TRIBULATION RAPTURE occurs when LORD JESUS CHRIST SUDDENLY RETURNS PUBLICLY to END these MADNESS [please see from Page 106 onward of the #ChiliasmBook].
#Ireneus #Rapture #Antichrist #Chiliasm #Prophecy #FatherofCatholicTheology #First #DoctoroftheChurch #AgainstHeresies #FinalGreatTribulation . TQ
A thought worth Eternity to Ponder: BREAKING the 3rd Commandment of NOT taking God’s Name in Vain (Exodus 20:7 which includes every FALSE “God told me so claims if GOD NEVER told it”) is BREAKING a 10 COMMANDMENT “HIGHER” than “MURDER (6th) or ADULTERY (7th)” – can you SEE it?); Notice also that NO CHARITY DOCTRINE breaks Greatest 1st Commandment to LOVE GOD because NO ONE can LOVE GOD without LOVING OTHERS with CHARITY DOCTRINE (as 1 John 3:16 – 18 DEFINES it as “It is Written”).
#TenCommandments #10Commandments #GodToldmeSo #Risk #CharityDoctrine as fulfillment of #GreatestCommandment #1stCommandment to #LoveGod via #Loveothers #GodsWord in #1John3 #Bible #Verse #AsitisWritten .
Even the Oldest known Patristic Commentary of the Book of Revelation believed in CHILIASM and POST TRIBULATION RAPTURE only, within this same quote below both of these doctrine can be seen by Blessed St. Victorinus showing (in image) ai) This part is “rapture” aii) This part is “change” from “human to angelic type” at the “end” of 1000 years Millennial Reign of Christ during the “Last Trumpet” [Notice that St. Victorinus does NOT connect the “last trumpet” phrase to link it to “rapture” as many Christians do today]
#Victorinus #Chiliasm #ChurchFathers #FirstChristianity #BibleCommentary #Patristic #BookofRevelation #NoProphecyofScriptureisofAnyPrivateInterpretation #Rapture #Doctrine #1Thessalonians417 #PreTrib #MidTrib or #PostTrib further #Mystery of #Change from #Human to #Angelic at #End of #1000Years #MillennialReign of #Christ #1Corinthians1552 in a #TwinklingofanEye .
You will know a person’s true character when faced with someone who believes differently where the good character does NOT discriminate etc.
The BIBLICAL LOGIC here is simple: Example in Christian Difference:
If “Pre-Tribulation rapture & not full Chiliasm is right”, you are going to SHINE brighter but if “Post-Tribulation rapture and Full Chiliasm is right” then those believing that are going to SHINE brighter in their Final Resurrection bodies on Judgment Day. So it’s true for any other doctrinal point as Daniel 12:3 Prophesies that “SHINE like HEAVENS is greater than CONVERTING MANY if NOT so accurate which SHINE like STARS only in comparison in RESURRECTION BODY CONTEXT” as GOD is FAIR and REWARDS this based on ACCURACY.
Example Quote: [From Page 6 & 9 onward of the #DoctrineBook]
1) Martin Luther (First Protestant)
“… commenting on Daniel 12 :3, “Teachers will shine like the glow of the heavens, and they who point to righteousness, like the stars, forever and eternally. … [Luther’s translation]; Luther said that preachers and teachers send forth light into the world as they convert many in the days leading up to the end of the world 4…” – Blessed Martin Luther, The First Champion of the Protestant Faith (1541, commenting on Daniel 12:3)
5) Blessed St. Jerome of the Vulgate
“… MANY PEOPLE OFTEN ASK whether a LEARNED SAINT AND AN ORDINARY SAINT shall both enjoy the SAME REWARD AND ONE AND THE SAME DWELLING-PLACE IN HEAVEN. Well then, the statement is made here, according to Theodotion’s rendering, that THE LEARNED WILL RESEMBLE THE VERY HEAVENS, whereas THE RIGHTEOUS WHO ARE WITHOUT LEARNING are ONLY COMPARED TO THE BRIGHTNESS OF THE STARS. And so the difference between LEARNED GODLINESS and MERE GODLY RUSTICITY SHALL BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HEAVEN AND THE STARS. …” – Blessed St. Jerome of the Vulgate, the Second Great Latin Doctor of the Church who did the First Official Translation of the Bible out of Its Original Languages into Latin, Priest, Confessor, Secretary to Pope Damasus I, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church (c. 347 AD – c. 420 AD, Commentary of Daniel 12:3)
Roman Catholic Source: https://www.tertullian.org/fathers/jerome_daniel_02_text.htm
Peace to you
Where do I stand as a “Christian” in regards to “Israel and Zionism”?
#War based #Zionism #Israel is #False no breaking of #Torah #Temple build first by #Antichrist in #deception of both #Christians and #Jews #Chiliasm #ChurchFathers #earliest #interpretation by #Ireneus #hippolytus reveals where #Real #Fulfillment after #SecondComingodChrist #LordJesusChrist taught #Loveyourenemies not #killyourenemies .
Am I a False Prophet if I teach POST TRIBULATION RAPTURE? Then everyone on this list (and more in Church History) is also a FALSE PROPHET for FALSE PROPHECY part on this. Who? List of CHILIASM Church Fathers & Protestant Founders on Rapture
#FalseProphet vs #HumanError only if no #Claims of #GodToldmeSo #Wrongly because #MostBlessed #HolySpirit of #God has #ZERO #Prophecy #Errors and those with #ProphecyError #Cannot be #Prophets of the #NewTestament #Please #DoNotbeDeceived as since #NoProphecyofScriptureisofAnyPrivateInterpretation #Rapture #Doctrine #1Thessalonians417 #PreTrib #MidTrib or #PostTrib #Example here seems to show that #PostTribulationRapture may be #TRUE as #ALL #AGREED .
Link for Christian Discoverers Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100094783954906
Example post below:
[Note I will quote Protestants to Catholics to Orthodox and not cults like mormons, JW etc. as “Christians” letting God Judge who is and not when He Returns]
Field of Study: Physics
Significant titles: Nobel Prize in Physics (1932)
Example Secular Quote (from same Wikipedia link earlier):
“… Werner Karl Heisenberg ⓘ; 5 December 1901 – 1 February 1976)[2] … Heisenberg was awarded the 1932 Nobel Prize in Physics “for the creation of quantum mechanics“.[3][a]. …”
Example Religious Quote: notice that “Heisenberg believed in reading CHURCH FATHERS and HATED the NAZI WAR ACTS and WROTE to FAMILY & FRIENDS (like posting on Facebook today)”, to quote: “… The best evidence suggests that Heisenberg’s spiritual views were a mixture of Platonism and Christianity, and here he was in good company: the company, in fact, of the early Orthodox and Catholic “church fathers” who shaped Christianity. Augustine, for example,. … He [Heisenberg] expressed horror at the regime on many occasions in the years before WW2 in letters to colleagues and family. … He [Heisenberg] refused to sign an “acknowledgement by professors to Adolf Hitler” the same year. …” Peace to you
Source: https://enlightenedcrowd.org/werner-heisenberg-science-mysticism-christianity/
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Last few months of year 2023 has been interesting for my Math Olympiad students, Examples in Image.
#ThankYouNote to #God and #Appreciate #Parents and #Students
#MathOlympiad #MathOlympiadSecondary #MathOlympiadHighSchool
#MathOlympiad #MathOlympiadElementarySchool #MathOlympiadPrimary
#coachjonathanramachandran #jonathanramachandran #Math #MyCV15OCT2023 #Jon .
Hi Bro, I view it as follows:
The answer to all three questions above is the same reason as to why I think God made “Faith” (i.e. believing without seeing in Christian definition, Hebrews 11:1) is basically to reward heaven. A logic can be seen as follows: because the ones with faith believed without seeing so they get the reward of heaven which we cannot see.
Next, under the assumption that non-Elect salvation possibility is true (as per writings of church fathers with and without the chiliasm timeline), then this “believing after seeing” non-elect salvation amounts to at most a reward of being saved on the final new earth. This is logical in a way because we have seen the current earth and so it gives a mirror of receiving only the “seen” thing (earth namely) and cannot inherit heaven because they did not believe in the heaven which they could “not” see whilst living on earth earlier. As to whether some can visit heaven through the gates of that final lowest heavenly city which connects to the final new earth (as Revelation 21 describes), those could be the best among non-elect salvation ones or mixed with fallen Christian ones who did not complete their course of faith perfectly.
As you can see, it does not contradict the Christian view of “believing in Christ” is necessary for Salvation and is a Free Gift but at the same time “heaven vs earth” which implies “heavenly vs earthly final resurrection body glories” difference mentioned in Scripture seems to match this chiliasm timeline position well as the “reward” part which is based on “one’s own fruit of actions” (and God does NOT dictate it implying that “Free Will” is existent within this and so it’s NOT a robotic creation or loyalty meaning loyalty to God is “REAL” but rewarded according to the varying degrees of His Commands Obeyed).
Thank you for your query.
How is God Fair? Relative Measure in Free Will and God’s Will
In Bible Verses in image, God Wills that all of Jerusalem should listen to “His Prophets” but yet He does NOT force it and allows “Free Will”, a Verse Directly by Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ Himself! End of God’s Will vs Free Will Argument.
This means He is the Authour of Faith but there’s an element of Free Will which affects Gradation/Reward even be it saved into the Heavens vs only saved on the Final New Earth as discussed earlier as possible even to refer to “faith type of believing without seeing” (Hebrews 11:1, Elect Salvation) vs. “not-faith type but believing after seeing, John 6:35 – 40, non-elect salvation possibility” if Church Father Quotes regarding it from Chiliasm or non-Chiliasm too is true (not doctrine as no one can be sure 100% now if they are honest).
Why would God Hide His Existence until we die?
Because the AIM of FAITH is ELECT SALVATION and REWARD
Please notice the word “REWARD” carefully in Bible Verse below defining this SAME MEANING as to WHY GOD MADE FAITH and that REWARD refers to ELECT SALVATION HEAVENLY INHERITANCE as “the better resurrection” when both Verses below combined clearly means “as it is Written”. Peace to you
Beautiful #Chiliasm #Prophecies regarding #nowar in the 1000 years #Millennial #Reign of #Christ after the #SecondComingofChrist . Both #PROPHETS #Isaiah and #Micah Prophesied similarly these aspects. Only the #RealMessiah Most Blessed #LordJesusChrist can make #all remaining #nations on the #earth at that time to #repent #beautifully like this as #He #Settles their disputes while the #FakeMessiah the #Beast or #Antichrist will #kill and #War to achieve his goals and #pretend to do it for #Israel even #deceiving them as well. Peace to you.
CHARITY DOCTRINE and its link to Elect Salvation as the Church
– CHRIST explained it in a PARABLE, St. Ireneaous of Lyons Reveals
Part 1 – Charity Doctrine needed because “no” business money nor inherited property or money from parents even in the world is clean unless you were paid lesser or is the “used” one beyond pay value meaning even in work celebrated as “hardworking etc.”, these are greatest “constant daily sin” [I have partially quoted details from this chapter in Pages 161-162
onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
“… For from what source do we derive the houses in which we dwell, the garments in which we are clothed, the vessels which we use, and everything else ministering to our every-day life, unless it be from those things which, when we were Gentiles, we acquired by avarice, or received them from our heathen parents, relations, or friends who unrighteously obtained them?— not to mention that even now we acquire such things when we are in the faith. For who is there that sells, and does not wish to make a profit from him who buys? Or who purchases anything, and does not wish to obtain good value from the seller? Or who is there that carries on a trade, and does not do so that he may obtain a livelihood thereby? And as to those believing ones who are in the royal palace, do they not derive the utensils they employ from the property which belongs to Cæsar; and to those who have not, does not each one of these [Christians] give according to his ability? … while, in fact, by receiving only a very insignificant recompense for their heavy servitude, they went away poor? It is just as if any free man, being forcibly carried away by another, and serving him for many years, and increasing his substance, should be thought, when he ultimately obtains some support, to possess some small portion of his [master’s] property, but should in reality depart, having obtained only a little as the result of his own great labours, and out of vast possessions which have been acquired, and this should be made by any one a subject of accusation against him, as if he had not acted properly. He (the accuser) will rather appear as an unjust judge against him who had been forcibly carried away into slavery. Of this kind, then, are these men also, who charge the people with blame, because they appropriated a few things out of many, but who bring no charge against those who did not render them the recompense due to their fathers’ services; nay, but even reducing them to the most irksome slavery, obtained the highest profit from them. ” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, Against Heresies (Book IV, Chapter 30, Points 1, 2 selected)) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103430.htm
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#Charity #CharityDoctrine #Alms #Sanctification #JudgmentofSins #Context #GodsWill for #Finance #WorstSin is #Money related as #CHRIST Taught and #Ireneus #ChurchFathers #revealed .
CHARITY DOCTRINE and its link to Elect Salvation as the Church
– CHRIST explained it in a PARABLE, St. Ireneaous of Lyons Reveals
Part 2 – Living like “MONK” type of CHRISTIANITY and then thinking they are “holier” does NOT work if the “monks” are receiving “food + sustenance” out of “money donated/given from working people” – implying monk type of Christianity is good only if MONKS WORK and LIVE out CHARITY DOCTRINE too (implied intrinsically in his quote next)
[I have partially quoted details from this chapter in Pages 161-162 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
St. Ireneaous of Lyons (not me) quotes Matthew 7:1 – 5 in quote next for this CONTEXT that THOSE WITHOUT CHARITY DOCTRINE are in GREATER SIN even if LIVING HOLY LIKE a MONK
“… Therefore, against men of this kind (namely, the heretics) the word of the Lord applies, which says: You hypocrite, first cast the beam out of your eye, and then shall you see clearly to pull out the mote out of your brother’s eye. Matthew 7:5 For if he who lays these things to your charge, and glories in his own wisdom, has been separated from the company of the Gentiles, and possesses nothing [derived from] other people’s goods, but is literally naked, and barefoot, and dwells homeless among the mountains, as any of those animals do which feed on grass, he will stand excused [in using such language], as being ignorant of the necessities of our mode of life. But if he do partake of what, in the opinion of men, is the property of others, and if [at the same time] he runs down their type, he proves himself most unjust, turning this kind of accusation against himself. For he will be found carrying about property not belonging to him, and coveting goods which are not his. And therefore has the Lord said: Judge not, that you be not judged: for with what judgment you shall judge, you shall be judged. Matthew 7:1-2 [The meaning is] not certainly that we should not find fault with sinners, nor that we should consent to those who act wickedly; but that we should not pronounce an unfair judgment on the dispensations of God, inasmuch as He has Himself made provision that all things shall turn out for good, in a way consistent with justice. For, because He knew that we would make a good use of our substance which we should possess by receiving it from another, He says, He that has two coats, let him impart to him that has none; and he that has meat, let him do likewise. Luke 3:11 And, For I was an hungered, and you gave Me meat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me drink; I was naked and you clothed Me. Matthew 25:35-36 And, When you do your alms, let not your left hand know what your right hand does. Matthew 6:3 And we are proved to be righteous by whatsoever else we do well, redeeming, as it were, our property from strange hands. …”– Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, Against Heresies (Book IV, Chapter 30, Point 3 selected)) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103430.htm
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CHARITY DOCTRINE and its link to Elect Salvation as the Church – CHRIST explained it in a PARABLE, St. Ireneaous of Lyons Reveals
Part 3 – There is NO such thing as a “CHURCH” (Elect Salvation) WITHOUT CHARITY DOCTRINE as this is PROPHESIED in SCRIPTURE even in ISRAEL’s EXODUS from EGYPT as a TYPE likewise and each CHRISTIAN does it by “RELATIVE MEASURE” of “his ABILITY”
[I have partially quoted details from this chapter in Pages 161-162 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
Again, St. Ireneaous of Lyons (not me) teaches this clearly while discussing this “same chapter” (so “same context”) Why Charity Doctrine as “Judgment of Sins” part
“… ; and to those who have not, does not each one of these [Christians] give according to his ability? … while, in fact, by receiving only a very insignificant recompense for their heavy servitude, they went away poor? … For, because He knew that we would make a good use of our substance which we should possess by receiving it from another, He says, He that has two coats, let him impart to him that has none; and he that has meat, let him do likewise. Luke 3:11 And, For I was an hungered, and you gave Me meat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me drink; I was naked and you clothed Me. Matthew 25:35-36 And, When you do your alms, let not your left hand know what your right hand does. Matthew 6:3 And we are proved to be righteous by whatsoever else we do well, redeeming, as it were, our property from strange hands. But thus do I say, from strange hands, not as if the world were not God’s possession, but that we have gifts of this sort, and receive them from others, in the same way as these men had them from the Egyptians who knew not God; and by means of these same do we erect in ourselves the tabernacle of God: for God dwells in those who act uprightly, as the Lord says: Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness, that they, when you shall be put to flight, may receive you into eternal tabernacles. Luke 16:9 For whatsoever we acquired from unrighteousness when we were heathen, we are proved righteous, when we have become believers, by applying it to the Lord’s advantage.
…” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, Against Heresies (Book IV, Chapter 30, Points 1 to 4 selected)) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103430.htm
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Here I am listing “Chiliasm Prophecy Bible Verses” whose interpretation and chronology I think that St. Ireneaous of Lyons and St. Justin of Rome (Justin Martyr) have preserved the most accurate interpretation as detailed out in these free pdf books in links below (and whether I am reading them right is open to debate, fair, right?)
i) New Book Titled Last Book – Possibilities and Dangers of Doctrine Free PDF download link:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wjDRr6lzDQ-4D60J8sqmDH-S60tCqQIR/view?usp=sharing
#LastBook or #PODBook or #PossibilitiesandDangersofDoctrineBook
ii) #chiliasmbook
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IzLcp1E-YoDtpAGY9qfnLeCL7ojc6-nj/view?usp=sharing
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Notice the “#Love of the #LORD” consistent with “#Justice” where “He Strikes #EGYPT due to the evil they did to others first” and then in the “#Chiliasm Timeline” (or 1000 years Millennial Reign of Christ after the “Second Coming of Christ”) HE HIMSELF #HEALS those WILLING to “#REPENT” (“turn to the LORD”, “believing AFTER SEEING cases” so #NONELECTSALVATION #POSSIBILITY as even the “#MARRIAGE of the #LAMB with #CHRISTIANS, #RESURRECTED and #POSTTRIBULATIONRAPTURE at that time would have BEGUN as per CHILIASM #Prophecy by #ChurchFathers as detailed out in books in comment in links”). Peace to you
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How are these quoted Bible Verses linked? Please notice the word “Highway” or “Way” or “Highway of Holiness” carefully in Isaiah 19:23, Isaiah 35:8 and Isaiah 11:16 and other Verses in those chapters are quoted to show further proof of CHILIASM PROPHECY TIMELINE.
The #Mysterious “#Highway of #Holiness” which leads to #Jerusalem AFTER the SECOND COMING of CHRIST in #CHILIASM Timeline for #POSSIBLE NON-ELECT SALVATION because the “#Marriage of the Lamb with His Bride or #ElectSalvation has happened at that time” and this is for remaining “#mortals/#sinners” on #earth.
Example Verses below which proves that this
happens during the 1000 years #Millennial Reign of #Christ for #EGYPT/#ASSYRIA
will NOT #repent in this timeline, the lame/blind etc. are not healed so freely
yet, #Ephraim etc. will not fight/envy #Israel anymore only in that time, #GOD
ONLY GATHERS HIS #OUTCASTS of ISRAEL, the #REMNANT MORTALS at THAT TIME (not
now, as #Antichrist will do a fake Version first before deceiving them to kill,
war etc. under that excuse as #ChurchFathers such as Saints #IreneusofLyons
& #HippolytusofRome quotes CHRIST’s Parable in Luke 18:1 – 8 to mean that
as shown in #LastBook and #ChiliasmBook – the “#Fake happens before the
#Real“).
More related details in FREE PDF Download
for both the #LastBook and #ChiliasmBook which can be found in #PINNED #POST on
my #Facebook wall or on #website
www.AnonymousChristian.org
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The “#Highway to #Holiness” literally is a “#road” which leads to #Jerusalem at that time “in that #DAY” (referring to #7thDay, True #Sabbath, #1000years #Millennial #ReignofChrist) in Isaiah 19:23, Isaiah 35:8 and Isaiah 11:16 . They will #learn about #God Directly in #Jerusalem during the Millennial Reign by literally going there as these #Bible #Verses describe “as it is Written” and done by Most #Blessed #Messiah #KING #LORD #JESUS #CHRIST.
Please notice that in each Verse here a “literal road/highway” is mentioned on “that DAY” (not now). Notice that “in that #DAY” is 2nd Coming of Christ onward as “His Feet” literally touches #Earth in Zechariah 14:4. Peace to you.
#Spiritually #Sick is not necessarily #Spiritually #Dead . #Accuracy of #Holy #Scripture is a #Majesty to #Ponder and may #God have #Mercy on our #Errors.
#Secrets from the #Parable of the #Good #Samaritan by Most Blessed #LORD #JESUS CHRIST – #Revisited
Example [in Pages 3, 9, 170 onward of the #ChiliasmBook for discussion & possibilities]
This is the# REAL #WWJD (What Would Jesus Do?) taught by HIS OWN WORDS #CONCLUSION: LORD JESUS CHRIST Taught that #LOVING #GOD and #LOVING #OTHERS is #CHARITY #DOCTRINE in the PARABLE of the GOOD SAMARITAN. Please notice carefully that the #CONTEXT in MATTHEW 13:11 – 13 below is #KNOWLEDGE/NOT THINGS (“Secret”). #CharityDoctrine by #CHRIST #MYSTERY #WHY.
#Gems from Holy #Scripture – Topic of “#LOVE” (What Traits of Love does Scripture #Praise?)
Self Examination: In this life, have we really lived a #LIFE of LOVE?
1) #CHARITY #DOCTRINE type of love your neighbour as yourself (beyond #family even if can)
This “Human Love” was called greatest by Blessed KING DAVID, the only MAN written in SCRIPTURE as AFTER GOD’s HEART & the Greatest and most honourable HUMAN KING #ISRAEL ever had (excluding #CHRIST) despite king DAVID’s adultery and murder which he repented eventually
Do you know why? The BIBLE Reveals that women wanted to marry king #David so that they can live in palaces (“easy life with wealth”) and that’s why Bathsheba herself went into the palace to commit adultery and never resisted despite being married while on the other hand, Blessed Jonathan (first prince of Israel) did NOT get jealous that KING DAVID (his best friend) was to be KING and “not” him as per GOD’s COMMAND and even helped David and shared everything he had with him as Scripture Records (Charity Doctrine #lifestyle beyond family & even for what is right even!).
2) Everything in the BIBLE is about CHRIST (the “types” or “#allegory” such as this LOVE between David & Jonathan itself earlier). Other Verses Reveal MOST BLESSED LORD JESUS CHRIST’s LOVE even further and BEYOND! Examples in image. GREATEST LOVE is #OBEDIENCE (John 15:13 – 15). This GREATEST LOVE is NOT achieved when you “#kill your enemies” (because you are ‘saving yourself’) but when you #OBEY CHRIST’s COMMAND to LOVE even YOUR #ENEMIES as HE DID FIRST, then it’s the “GREATEST LOVE” (i.e. CHRIST Taught to LOVE #believers, #family to #enemy too, e.g. in Matthew 5, Luke 6 – the “#narrow path”) [From Page 275 onward of the #LastBook], LOVE is measured by HOW WE #SPEND or KEEP to #GIVE AWAY our #MONEY/ #POSSESSIONS as CHRIST TEACHES here even toward enemies in Luke 6:32 – 34. Peace to you
The #BIBLE teaches that ALL sin is #not the same.
There are #big sins versus #small sins. In this post, I wish to show BIBLE #VERSES which teaches these particular #aspects which are “#rarely #known”
1) #SINNING when having #PROSPERITY and NO #CHARITY #DOCTRINE awaits #WORST #JUDGMENT
2) NOT all sin lead to #death but the Bible does not detail it out further (#mystery)
3) Sinning against “men #more #righteous” (for example #ChurchFathers) or the #Uriah type below (2 Samuel 11:11 which describes him as so #obedient to God that he doesn’t even easily #spend his #time/#money in enjoyment even if he #can just because others are #suffering – “#Renunciation Doctrine” which #Christ taught in Luke 14:33); some of these affects #heavenly #gradation (Matthew 5:19) while some #never #enter #heaven (Matthew 5:20) so probably saved on final new earth only (Revelation 21:24, 27 etc.) and so these are #IMPORTANT #DOCTRINES! #Principles of #righteousness/#Judgment remains same in #NewTestament too. Peace to you
Question 1
One question in relation to your comments; When a man or woman gets a Masters, PHD or Seminary degree, where does that come from, Father 𐤉𐤄𐤅𐤄, ha’Mashiaḥ 𐤉𐤄𐤅𐤔𐤏 or man? This reveals the truth of the matter in such cases.
Reply 1
Human will is involved as well. For example, there are many PHDs opposing Torah’s 613 commandments but only selecting 10 commandments (plus tithes etc for Gentiles) while I believe in 9 Commandments (no tithes but New Testament Traditions, which is Church Fathers position in common except Roman Catholics and Orthodox Add non written Traditions which cannot be proven so I do not keep it). So are all these contradictory PHD’s even within theology by God? How much more other fields? A lot of opinion type and man made fields plus the fact some knowledge came from the fallen angels (as Book of 1Enoch records and alluded to in Church Fathers writings and some Bible Verses) prove that it’s mixed. Only God can filter it but I present the evidence using mostly Chiliasm Church Fathers’ Writings.
Question 2
Here is another question; This one called as “St. Athanasius the Great” in whom participated in the Council of Nicea AD 325, and with those present, rejected several books that were included in the Septuagint in order to present a “canonized” Scriptures, is this one that should be trusted?
Reply 2
I will put it like this: Even the Roman Catholics consider the Septuagint fully inspired and so they don’t take say St. Athanasius rejection of certain books as valid. My point is not that. Did you notice that from the first/oldest Muratorian Canon (Roman Canon) considered “Shepherd of Hermas” as “True” (but cannot be numbered among NT nor OT books level only) as it is to be kept “secret” (not read publicly in church) while both St. Irenaeous of Lyons and Blessed Tertullian with Blessed Pope St. Callixtus I (Bishop of Rome) at that time even approves “Shepherd of Hermas” as “Scripture” endorsing it at that level. So St. Athanasius getting this “part right” is substantiated by his quote of approval of “Shepherd of Hermas” likewise. If he erred on other parts, it does “not” mean he erred on this part, can you see it? Can you show how say St. Irenaeous of Lyons is “unreliable” by say rejecting any books you think should be in canon (I follow more of CHILIASM Church Fathers like St. Ireneaous of Lyons who do “not” have such errors where if you say otherwise, please show me where with source? Please do a “control F” to “find” any names or keywords in my free books to see these parts with quote and source)
Question 3
Strange… I can’t find the word “trinity” anywhere in the Scriptures.
Reply 3
The word TRINITY is to explain what GOD Kept as Secret and only Revealed it through Lord Jesus Christ Onward, example [in Page 422 onward of the #DialoguesBook] using Isaiah 48:16 even from the OT. Notice also in the Baptism of CHRIST All Three Persons of the HOLY TRINITY were present at the same time, The FATHER Who Spoke from HEAVEN, the HOLY SPIRIT descending in a form like a DOVE and Lord JESUS CHRIST in FLESH).
Peace to you
The #BIBLE Verses listed in images below (not me) Reveal how we are to be #REAL in #LIFE
1) A #Friend loves at #all times (#Proverbs 17:17)
[Example: Whether one missed to call them for a year or even years, when they meet, it’s always like one just met up yesterday because “both” missed “meeting or calling” each other for that “year” or “years” but it did “not” affect their “#true friendship” at all]
2) A friend may not be there at all times, but it’s best to show up to “#help” (“#CharityDoctrine”) when a person is in need Proverbs 27:10 and can be shown even to ‘family members of friends’,
2 Samuel 21:7)
3) #Wealth and #Riches usually makes “#fake friendship” which will #vanish if that person becomes “#poor” (and not seen if the person ‘remains rich’, Proverbs 14:20) unless it was true friendship regardless of money. Some people even #discriminate friendships/family on basis of “high class vs low class” based on “#race, #caste, #salary-level etc.” (Proverbs 19:7) which is all #damnable to #hell for “not” loving others as oneself (Luke 16:24 – 25).
4) Most #people think that “being rich means #closest to God” while #GOD clearly has warned in #Scripture that they are “#theologically #wrong” but yet he never “removed their #prosperity” (Jeremiah 22:21) because that’s #not how GOD #Works (so GOD #cannot be #predicted by #anyone). Peace to you
Bravo! I love this! Wish other countries will share their solutions for “free” like this too. Also if local universities and lecturers also present some problems/discussions like this for the general public, what a knowledge sharing explosion it would be (not just in math) and not just sharing to one’s own race only but accessible to all (notice this former great Math olympian is not earning from it in any way, is not sharing some “easy” problems & overly paid for it such as typical school math and also is not getting a “pensionable job” or any other “secure” position before doing it. No point in being smart (if say able to do some of these questions) whether in Math or other field but live selfishly for oneself (or for one’s own race or religion if it only teaches to do good to only those within it), right? Sincerely a Good Work at Biblical standards (where this is a great example of “Charity Doctrine” in “Education”). Thank you! Link (for IMONST2 2023 “Senior” level solutions):
https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?ref=watch_permalink&v=739697031343312
https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?ref=watch_permalink&v=739697031343312
or
https://fb.watch/oqt640Li5M/
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#CharityDoctrine Explanation – #Holy #Scripture and #Logic
1) Firstly, obeying God in #FINANCE aspect is more important than #Sacrifice (attending #church, #praying, #tithes, #worship etc.) as various #prophets from #OldTestament and #CHRIST HIMSELF asked in Luke 11:39 – 41, Luke 10:25 – 37 & Matthew 25:31 – 46 and I have quoted in my books with “#Bible #Verses” and GOD’s WILL for FINANCE in #NEWTESTAMENT is NOT “#prosperity for family & self” but #CHARITY #DOCTRINE of SELL ALL & GIVE to #POOR (#Possessions, #skills, knowledge #spiritual or #secular, #money) but being imperfect we just give a “small” portion of what we have and its reward is NOT measured based on “amount” but by “#relative#measure” as POOR WIDOW’s 2 coins GAVE more than RICH who fed many as CHRIST HIMSELF TAUGHT (in Luke 21:1 – 3) as I have discussed in free pdf books prior (please read carefully).
2) Some people think that CHARITY DOCTRINE will sabotage the “livelihood” of others. CHARITY DOCTRINE is for the needy NOT rich. If a person has money to pay for MATH OLYMPIAD CLASSES, they should take paid classes especially from those who fulfill CHRIST’s FINANCE CHARITY DOCTRINE WILL in any little way, right? (even CHURCHES should run such FREE CLASSES [for any subject spiritual or secular] as CHRIST COMMANDED it). Instead of financially supporting those who do it in any little way, you support “businesses” which make use of “people with no racial advantage or nepotism” who say “make money out of math Olympiad” as businessman (but they themselves cannot do math Olympiad as private sector shows), is it fair?
3) Better to support individual Math Olympiad coaches who we actually former Math Olympians, right? So if you did “not” care about this type of fairness & support your race or support churches which run “no” charity doctrine programmes for the “poor” but have homeschools for the rich, what moral compass do we even have to argue about here? The RICH who take advantage of CHARITY DOCTRINE classes IF they CAN PAY for it are DEFINITELY GOING to HELL as CHRIST TAUGHT in the PARABLE of the RICH MAN and LAZARUS (Luke 16:19 – 31 with that REASON GIVEN in Luke 16:24 – 25), FAIR, RIGHT?
Peace to you
Why #Preach #HARSHLY against those who #OPPOSE #CHARITYDOCTRINE?
If you think I preached “harshly”, check out these #BIBLE #VERSES on #CHARITY #DOCTRINE (1 John 3:16 – 18) which PREACH a PERSON STRAIGHT to #ETERNAL #HELL even if LACKING in CHARITY DOCTRINE (Luke 16:24 – 25, Matthew 25:41 – 46).
On #Judgment #Day #God judges based on “Charity Doctrine” that one did “not” do also (Matthew 25:31 – 46). When one falls and breaks a #commandment, he falls once but without charity doctrine, one #sins #daily.
The #REASON is simple: You CANNOT speak #SOFTLY AGAINST #CRUELTY and LACK of CHARITY DOCTRINE is CRUELTY as #SODOM’s SIN was that too (Ezekiel 16:49). So if we #FOLLOW #CHRIST and the BIBLE, we should PREACH HARSHLY likewise, right?
Even toward #ENEMIES, CHARITY DOCTRINE is to be Practiced (Luke 6:27 – 36)and NOT #kill your enemies but #LOVE YOUR ENEMIES to #OVERCOME #EVIL with #GOOD (Romans 12:21); Lord Jesus Christ’s Standards are NOT high but #PERFECT and that’s why the #HIGHEST COMMAND to LOVE is CHARITY DOCTRINE to #BELIEVERS, #FAMILY, #NEIGHBOURS, #STRANGERS and #ENEMIES too.
If anyone thinks their “#philosophy” is greater, then may their “#income /#money / #possessions /#skills” shared for #FREE reach others to #enemies too. #Peace to you
Unparalleled #Musical #Wisdom – #King #Solomon’s Greatest #Song was about #LORD #JESUS #CHRIST and HIS #BRIDE (the #CHURCH #allegorically) which is the “#Eternal #Song”.
The “#Eternal #Song” for “#CHRIST” by #King #Solomon Reveals #CHARITYDOCTRINE as Greatest #Love
Personally I think in his Greatest Song, King Solomon was allegorically writing about the “CHARITY DOCTRINE LOVE of #GOD” (#Agape) which “some” in the “#CHURCH” (His #Bride allegorically) would fulfill as these Verses are linked by #GIVE #ALL the #POSSESSIONS in his #HOUSE (#money, #skill, #knowledge, etc.) for #FREE by “#RelativeMeasure” as Christ Revealed that even though the rich’s money fed many as opposed to the poor widow’s 2 coins, she gave more in (Luke 21:1 – 3) as many #ChurchFathers (including St. #Irenaeusof Lyons too have testified this part and pointed to “not” giving #low-#quality things for FREE but the #BEST one has too).
#Self #examination: By God’s Grace, have we really lived a #life of #love like this in any “#little” way since God’s Command to “SELL ALL (not some) and GIVE to the POOR” level is Revealed by the HIGHEST WISDOM of LORD JESUS CHRIST here? Please notice the “Sell/Leave HOUSE” or “Wealth” to the “POOR” which links Songs 8:7 to CHRIST’s Matthew 19:29, Matthew 19:21 and Mark 10:21. CHRIST Revealed that the “#CHRISTLIKE HEART” is to GIVE to CHARITY while “#Prosperity heart” (the #opposite) is NOT like CHRIST, implied in Luke 12:33 – 34. Peace to you
Sources:
https://nonprofitssource.com/online-giving-statistics/church-giving/
and
https://pushpay.com/blog/church-giving-statistics/
TQ
Problem: 6.3 million KWSP account holders with age less than 55 years old have less than RM 10000 in their accounts.
Link for article:
https://www.bernama.com/bm/am/news.php?id=2246257
Two ways of looking at this:
1) The lower income group did not work hard enough even though daily working
2) They worked for lower pay and so EPF amounts never became big as capitalism businesses generally don’t share “profits” willingly but pay low in “relative measure”.
Conclusion – Economy which matters in real life in Biblical Charity Doctrine Context is to improve on Point 2 above “willingly” only can “help the poor” toward the “workers who made you rich” and “God Will be pleased”. Also James 5:3 – 4 seems to point to “HELL FIRE” for the “RICH” who “HOARD MONEY” in these “LAST DAYS” (New Testament times) if NO Charity Doctrine (implied) & if NOT paying workers the pay-rate you will pay yourself if you were born of those ‘unfortunate race’ (implied). Peace to you
This famous Protestant Website preaches the same as me in essence (what a nice coincidence) in regard to James 5:1 – 4 in an earlier post, link:
https://bible.org/seriespage/19-stewarding-finances-god-s-way-james-51-6
Peace to you
More “#Harsh” #Preaching on the #TOPIC of #MONEY?
Even Blessed #MartinLuther, First #Champion of the #Protestant Faith, #Founder of the #Lutheran Churches himself wrote the famous quote below where if one is converted in regard to his “#purse” or “money” implying #financial giving to fulfill #NewTestament #CHARITYDOCTRINE #COMMANDS, one is NOT #converted at all (more quotes are added in link below too, quoting Martin Luther on this part and others as well); so if all of them agreed on this TOPIC of MONEY (#ChurchFathers are also full of #CHARITY #DOCTRINE quotes as my free pdf books shows), it should be right, right?
Martin Luther taught deeper that the Parable of the 5 #Wise vs 5 #Foolish Virgins linked to CHARITY DOCTRINE too as quoted in #free #pdf [in Page 27 onward of the #DoctrineBook],
Source for Puritan Website for this:
https://www.apuritansmind.com/stewardship/longquotesonwealth/
Peace to you
Question
Where do you think the name Jesus comes from? Jesu .it’s..sounds some similarity? Voilent evil spirit possesed man recognized Yahu’sha later asked to enter pigs JE… earth…SUS…pig…later ended up rushing down cliff to destruction.Broad and wide is the road to destruction and many walked in it but small and narrow is the path that leads to life and only a few find it
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That’s a silly argument as these languages are referring to their own deities. Nothing to do with the name Jesus or even Ieousous in Greek which is still NOT yeshua or Yahashua but is approved in Greek New Testament (which you haven’t refuted and simply talking about non-Christian religions, unrelated. So fallacious).
You see the dictionary is doing lexigraphy which is rubbish. Let me give you an example: take the English word “hotdog”; then that dictionary’s equivalent is saying that the animal “hotdog” got its name because it has something to do with “dog” where that’s NOT true at all. So linking “Greek phonetics” like that created such a ‘false teaching’ which you are believing. The Original Koine Greek Bible uses that same “Greek Phonetic” to call Christ “Ieousous” regardless if “Sus” meant “pig”, can you see it? Lexigraphy is only useful if like in Hebrew God Intended such breakdown of meaning of His Name. We cannot apply it to any language and claim something wrong about Christ. Simple as that.
Also in Acts 19:15, indeed the violent spirit recognized CHRIST’s NAME as RECORDED in GREEK as “Iesous” and NOT “Yeshua or Yahashua” as Written in ORIGINAL KOINE GREEK BIBLE (image below).
Peace to you
[Text] – Question
Your understanding of this verse is backwards, this is is talking to the ones who do keep the Seventh Day Sabbath. Rome wants you to keep it on Sunday, and the Apostle Kefas (Peter) is saying to those who keep the Sabbath on the Seventh Day Sabbath. “”””So let no one JUDGE YOU for keeping the Seventh Day Sabbath””””
So bottom line is if you do not keep the Seventh Day Sabbath you’re breaking His Law. (1John 3:4) says you’re a un-repented sinner
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Let no one judge you for “sabbath” and “food (say pork)”.
Three possibilities:
1) Must keep sabbath —> implies by same usage toward “pork” so Gentiles cannot eat pork (which contradicts other Verses such as Acts 10:15, 1 Timothy 4:3. So your position is a “contradiction” so cannot be true.
2) Must “not” keep sabbath —> implies by same usage toward “pork” so Gentiles can eat pork since the OT prohibition to “not” eat pork does “not” apply to them (which “agrees” other Verses such as Acts 10:15, 1 Timothy 4:3. So this position is a “possibility” so can be true).
3) Keeping or “not” keeping Sabbath is allowed as a choice for Gentiles —> implies by same usage toward “pork” so Gentiles can choose to eat pork or not (which “agrees” other Verses such as Acts 10:15, 1 Timothy 4:3. So this position is a “possibility” so can be true also).
So both positions 2) and 3) allows Gentiles to “not” keep Sabbath and eat pork. The AUGSBURG Confession by the FIRST PROTESTANT FATHERS agree more toward position 2) as I have shown with proof quotes in [Pages 171/172 onward of the #DoctrineBook]]. Personally I think position 3) is most accurate since it agrees with another Verse namely Romans 14:4 – 9 (described in [From Page 179 onward of the #DoctrineBook]). Now, handling the LAW and PROPHETS more accurately (in Matthew 5:17 – 20) merits higher gradation while getting “persecuted” say by your “local pastor or denomination or church which upholds sabbath for gentiles as a ‘must’ without which say they cannot allow you to serve in music ministry at Church’ then if they are right, they will get greater reward but if they are wrong (since they discriminated Christians like me or all Protestant Founders & Church Fathers who are either on position 2) or 3) only on that basis), by same judgment meted back (Matthew 7:1 – 3), they will likewise have their “music ministry unrecognized” by God (as per principle of warning in 1 Corinthians 14:38 too). So let GOD DECIDE who was “persecuted for righteousness” in this “Sabbath-Topic” (and He Will judge for every other topic likewise so we need to be careful & study the Bible with CHURCH HISTORY too) and the CHRISTIAN who gets it “RIGHT” MERITS GREATER REWARD as CHRIST DECLARED below:
“… 11Blessed are you when they REVILE and PERSECUTE you, and say ALL KINDS of EVIL against you FALSELY for MYS SAKE. 12Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for GREAT is your REWARDS in HEAVEN , for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you. ..” – Most Blessed LORD JESUS CHRIST (Matthew 5:12, NKJV)
Also according to you, even “Martin Luther” (First Protestant is an “unsaved sinner” based on your quote on 1 John 3:4 because he seemed to be closer to position 2) described above:
[From Page 50 onward of the #DoctrineBook]
“… Thus I keep the commandments which Moses has given, not because Moses gave the commandment, but because they have been implanted in me by nature, and Moses agrees exactly with nature, etc. TITHING: But the other commandments of Moses, which are not [implanted in all men] by nature, the Gentiles do not hold. Nor do these pertain to the Gentiles, such as the TITHE and others equally fine which I wish we had too. Now this is the first thing that I ought to see in Moses, namely, the commandments to which I am not bound except insofar as they are [implanted in everyone] by nature [and written in everyone’s heart]. … SABBATH: Again one can prove it from the third commandment that Moses does not pertain to Gentiles and Christians. For Paul [Col. 2:16] and the New Testament [Matt. 12:1-12; John 5:16; 7:22-23; 9:14-16] abolish the Sabbath, to show us that the Sabbath was given to the Jews alone, for whom it is a stern commandment. …” Blessed Martin Luther, The First Champion of the Protestant Faith, (LUTHER, MARTIN; August 27, 1525, HOW CHRISTIANS SHOULD REGARD MOSES) Example Sources (same content no matter which is quoted):
http://www.tithing-russkelly.com/id78.html
or
https://lutherancatechism.com/doc-lib/voelz_j_luthers_use_of_scripture_in_the_small_catechism.pdf
or
http://www.wordofhisgrace.org/LutherMoses.htm
About the letters non-existent etc., it does not matter the phonetics of “Ieousous” in KOINE GREEK ORIGINAL BIBLE since for example book of ACTS is Written entirely in GREEK & NOT translated from Aramaic NOR Hebrew like some propose for Matthew and so “Ieousous” is still NOT same as “Yeshua or Yahashua” meaning God allowed phonetic variation and eventually letter J in English fit it best, so the NAME JESUS okay and if you call HIM YESHUA or YAHSHUA etc., it’s okay too.
Peace to you
Even St. Augustine of Hippo considered the Septuagint and its Apocrypha books such as Tobit etc. as “Scripture” & Maccabees mentioned here (in image) has both “Charity Doctrine for Judgment of Sins as well as Purgatory Quote” and I have discussed this “possibility” in regard to “Lord Jesus Christ Himself celebrating this non-canonical “Hanukkah” which was due to this same “Maccabees” [From Pages 34 onward of the #DialoguesBook]. Only God knows who is right or more accurate. Peace to you
[Text for Reply] Even the #Orthodox and #Catholics don’t agree and some think the other is damned (so this proves “#human #choices”). Best is, “#Chiliasm” was taught by all #earliest and #greatest fathers of the church (details vary so can be #debated) but “chiliasm timeline is #same” such as St. #Irenaeus of Lyons, #Tertullian, St, #Ambrose of Milan (who converted & baptised non-Chiliasm popular leader St. #Augustine of Hippo), St. #Methodius of Olympus, St. #Victorinus, St. #Papias, St. #Justin of Rome (St. #JustinMartyr) which itself shows the #Roman Catholic church now is “not” the same as the ones held by these ones listed. Notice that St. Augustine of Hippo (who is later) #contradicts his “own converter/teacher/baptiser” Blessed Archbishop St. Ambrose of Milan where the latter clearly believes in CHILIASM and also has plenty of NON-ELECT SALVATION #POSSIBILITY quotes meaning “human will” is clearly present here for ‘what the #CHURCH chooses to believe’ but who is right LET #GOD DECIDE but it PROVES that CHILIASM position cannot be #condemned even if #wrong (please read my free pdfs to see proof quotes with ‘roman catholic sources’ itself – but what are the #chances the ones listed here especially St. Irenaeous of Lyons is wrong? So we need to tread carefully lest the “#judgment” we judge is meted back if we turned out “wrong” on some “#theological# topics”) as #CHRIST #Warned in Matthew 7:1 – 3. #Peace to you
Roman Catholicism has added a lot of things which were not there in the earliest Church Father’s writings such as “Praying to Virgin Mary etc,.” So reformers such as Blessed Martin Luther (First Protestant) and Blessed John Calvin did correct many theological errors. However, in the context of “Prophecy” and since it is not of any private interpretation, I still find the earliest Church Fathers (with no prayers to Virgin Mary etc.) majority of them believing in Chiliasm timeline. Now a consequence of that is there could be a “non-elect salvation” possibility which is even supported by “majority of non-chiliasm Church Father’s quotes of the Doctors of the Church type before 700 AD” as I have shown in my free pdfs which could mean that such a concept was there (except the term “non-elect salvation” was not coined) or they were all wrong on this part. So I try to supplement an explanation in my free pdfs how this could have been because the other parts of Justification by Faith etc. is already wonderfully done by the reformers except for the emphasis on Charity Doctrine Fruit which sometimes is less understood and so I emphasize on this part too to try fill in the gaps with Church Father quotes as well. The non-elect salvation part is a possibility not doctrine because no one can be 100% sure and so let God decide but I choose to present the “evidence” from “earliest” Church History honestly. Peace to you
Question
so then where did the real church go while everyone was praying to saints for next 1000 years?
Reply
Exactly, that’s a question I asked as well in my own book and the possibility I can think of is “God’s Mercy” either some saved with lower gradation (in Elect Salvation) and/or maybe non-Elect Salvation because St. Justin Martyr (St. Justin of Rome) from the “west” has an interesting quote which may point to this as follows where he says even the “Church” has been “Prophesied” to contain both “Elect (sons) vs non-Elect salvation (servants)” according to “rank and God’s Foreknowledge” ([From Page 66 onward of the #ChiliasmBook] & St. Gregory Nazianzus’ likewise has a similar quote from the “east” [in Page 67 onward of the #ChiliasmBook] which can agree with John 15:15 in Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ’s Words regarding difference between “sons vs servant level salvation” (so with these “evidences”, please see images below, I view it as a “possibility”); Being “Chosen” by God seems to be linked to this “Topic” of “Servants vs Sons” as the next “consecutive Verse” (immediate context) reveals CHRIST DECLARING this in John 15:15 – 16.
Please also notice that “rank” seems to depend on “knowing” as per John 15:15 – 16 to become “sons” (not based on money/anything else) and both St. Justin of Rome and St. Gregory Nazianzus’ quotes seem to “know NON ELECT SALVATION” when they quoted this context of “sons vs servant” (please see other pages of the #ChiliasmBook to see this) – so we need to consider this possibility seriously, right? Peace to you
Why I do “not” Pray to Virgin Mary as Intercessor or as anything else?
Example evidence by a major Church Father (third from Apostle St. John and disciple of St. Polycarp) by St. Irenaeous of Lyons that the First Roman Catholic Church did “not” Pray to Angels and so in “similar logic” would “not” have “Prayed to Virgin Mary” either
[From Page 94 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
“…For as she has received freely Matthew 10:8 from God, freely also does she minister [to others]. 5. Nor does she perform anything by means of angelic invocations, or by incantations, or by any other wicked curious art; but, directing her prayers to the Lord, who made all things, in a pure, sincere, and straightforward spirit, and calling upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, she has been accustomed to work miracles for the advantage of mankind, and not to lead them into error. …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church,First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD , ‘Against Heresies’, (Book II, Chapter 32), Point 4, 5-partial)
Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103232.htm
Comment: I repeat: Chiliasm fathers are the oldest Church Father’s writing extending to the millennia just that the Roman Catholics skipped it and added new stuff. So I am the one trying to return to it and if you read St. Irenaeous of lyons when he mentioned about prayer, he wrote that the Church only prays to Lord Jesus Christ and NOT to angels even which already disproves your modern roman Catholic position of praying to angels as helpers or intercessors just like prayers to Virgin Mary under the same reasoning cannot be true either as I have shown in my free pdf books with roman Catholic Source even. It’s funny that St. Ireneaous of lyons (third from Apostle St. John and Disciple of St. Polycarp) when writing about prayer never mentioned it to be done via Virgin Mary but only Lord Jesus Christ. Also the fact that in the same breath he wrote that the Church does “not” pray “nor” invoke angels for “help or intercession or whatever else” (say in Page 94 of #ChiliasmBook ) proves that the original roman Catholic Church does not pray to angels as helpers nor as intercessors too and so this proves he definitely does not pray to Virgin Mary either as those who believe such do both and those who don’t do neither prayers to virgin Mary nor to angels. It should be clear to anyone reading this. A person can lie about history but no one can change history (one day God Will Reveal be it after death even)
Plenty of links in the internet from official Roman Catholic Websites give proof for their “prayers” to both “angels/Virgin Mary” (see below)
Sola Scriptura position is fully endorsed by 1 Corinthians 4:6. I repeat: You just confessed to “no” Scripture evidence which already proved your position false. Oral traditions are not a must and cannot verified to be true especially when for example prayers to virgin Mary are “not” found in any Church Fathers writing up to 3rd to 4th century. So your verbal tradition does “not” even need to be followed even for the right ones if it is “not Written” according to 1 Corinthians 4:6 which again disproves your position once and for all. NON-Praying to Virgin Mary FIRST ROMAN CATHOLICS were all believers of CHILIASM too according to St. Ireneaous of Lyons. Peace to you
The “Math of Eternity for Doctrinal Accuracy”
Example of a Refutation in support of Protestantism against Roman Catholic & Orthodox for the Topic of Prayers to Angels/Saint/Virgin_Mary
[Please remember that LOW QUALITY RESEARCH and LOW RIGOUROUS ARGUMENTS do NOT bring ‘glory to God’ but makes HIS MOST HOLY NAME PROFANED among the GENTILES, let’s begin; if not satisfied, please invite me to a debate in your local Catholic Church or Archbishop himself & let’s just debate “live” and you can decide who sounds “more accurate” – this is “not” a prideful statement because only a one WITH PRIDE wears a TITLE/POSITION but is UNABLE to PRODUCE ACCURACY even for THEIR OWN HISTORICAL QUOTES as evidenced by this OFFICIAL VATICAN DEFENSE on this topic – is this the “BEST” you can do with all those PHDS? – same warning applies to other denominations on “OTHER TOPICS” & me too “if we are wrong” unless “we admitted it as a POSSIBILITY but DID NOT make a DOCTRINE out of it in which CASE JUDGMENT is HIGHER as JAMES 3:1 WARNS! – example “non-Elect Salvation which I propose is a “possibility NOT doctrine” so even if wrong it never affects salvation of anyone]
Here I will give a further “Proper Classification” for the type of quotes done by Roman Catholic History (which also reveals their Research Ability) based on link below (imagine taking all the big salaries to positions with all PHDs done in this topic and producing this “level” of “accuracy”) – sorry to be sarcastic but it shows how if we are paid more etc. we should present more “honestly” & if cannot, how can one even be ordained to speak “more truths” if simple ones like this are NOT “honestly presented”?:
https://www.catholic.com/tract/the-intercession-of-the-saints
1) These quotes from the “Roman Catholic Source” itself only proves that Prayer is done from those alive on earth vs angels and saints on the spirit world side but NOT that we who are alive on earth pray to them (which is the ERROR of ROMAN CATHOLICS and ORTHODOX, let them pray in anyway they want by their own will & when you die & are saved means you can do it from there)
Hermas
“[The Shepherd said:] ‘But those who are weak and slothful in prayer, hesitate to ask anything from the Lord; but the Lord is full of compassion, and gives without fail to all who ask him. But you, [Hermas,] having been strengthened by the holy angel [you saw], and having obtained from him such intercession, and not being slothful, why do not you ask of the Lord understanding, and receive it from him?’” (The Shepherd 3:5:4 [A.D. 80]).
Clement of Alexandria
“In this way is he [the true Christian] always pure for prayer. He also prays in the society of angels, as being already of angelic rank, and he is never out of their holy keeping; and though he pray alone, he has the choir of the saints standing with him [in prayer]” (Miscellanies 7:12 [A.D. 208]).
Origen
“But not the high priest [Christ] alone prays for those who pray sincerely, but also the angels . . . as also the souls of the saints who have already fallen asleep” (Prayer 11 [A.D. 233]).
Cyprian of Carthage
“Let us remember one another in concord and unanimity. Let us on both sides [of death] always pray for one another. Let us relieve burdens and afflictions by mutual love, that if one of us, by the swiftness of divine condescension, shall go hence first, our love may continue in the presence of the Lord, and our prayers for our brethren and sisters not cease in the presence of the Father’s mercy” (Letters 56[60]:5 [A.D. 253]).
Cyril of Jerusalem
“Then [during the Eucharistic prayer] we make mention also of those who have already fallen asleep: first, the patriarchs, prophets, apostles, and martyrs, that through their prayers and supplications God would receive our petition” (Catechetical Lectures 23:9 [A.D. 350]).
Hilary of Poitiers
“To those who wish to stand [in God’s grace], neither the guardianship of saints nor the defenses of angels are wanting” (Commentary on the Psalms 124:5:6 [A.D. 365]).
The Liturgy of St. Basil
“By the command of your only-begotten Son we communicate with the memory of your saints . . . by whose prayers and supplications have mercy upon us all, and deliver us for the sake of your holy name” (Liturgy of St. Basil [A.D. 373]).
Gregory of Nazianz
“Yes, I am well assured that [my father’s] intercession is of more avail now than was his instruction in former days, since he is closer to God, now that he has shaken off his bodily fetters, and freed his mind from the clay that obscured it, and holds conversation naked with the nakedness of the prime and purest mind” (ibid., 18:4).
John Chrysostom
“He that wears the purple [i.e., a royal man] . . . stands begging of the saints to be his patrons with God, and he that wears a diadem begs the tentmaker [Paul] and the fisherman [Peter] as patrons, even though they be dead” (Homilies on Second Corinthians 26 [A.D. 392]).
“When you perceive that God is chastening you, fly not to his enemies . . . but to his friends, the martyrs, the saints, and those who were pleasing to him, and who have great power [in God]” (Orations 8:6 [A.D. 396]).
Ambrose of Milan
“May Peter, who wept so efficaciously for himself, weep for us and turn towards us Christ’s benign countenance” (The Six Days Work 5:25:90 [A.D. 393]).
Jerome
“You say in your book that while we live we are able to pray for each other, but afterwards when we have died, the prayer of no person for another can be heard. . . . But if the apostles and martyrs while still in the body can pray for others, at a time when they ought still be solicitous about themselves, how much more will they do so after their crowns, victories, and triumphs?” (Against Vigilantius 6 [A.D. 406]).
Augustine
“A Christian people celebrates together in religious solemnity the memorials of the martyrs, both to encourage their being imitated and so that it can share in their merits and be aided by their prayers” (Against Faustus the Manichean [A.D. 400]).
“At the Lord’s table we do not commemorate martyrs in the same way that we do others who rest in peace so as to pray for them, but rather that they may pray for us that we may follow in their footsteps” (Homilies on John 84 [A.D. 416]).
“Neither are the souls of the pious dead separated from the Church which even now is the kingdom of Christ. Otherwise there would be no remembrance of them at the altar of God in the communication of the Body of Christ” (The City of God 20:9:2 [A.D. 419]).
2) These quotes from that “same Roman Catholic source” are the only evidence they have for prayers of “their type” which is “pray to saints/angels/Virgin Mary directly” (can you see how “less” such an “evidence” really is? There is much more evidence for NON-ELECT SALVATION “earlier in time” as well as “from CHURCH FATHERS” and NOT anonymous/unknown sources included – can you see the “difference” in “reliability” as well as “research ability too” since some quotes below are FALSELY attributed – read below both sides and decide for yourselves)?
i) Possibly historically true quotes but NOT from any CHILIASM CHURCH FATHER NOR ANY MAJOR CHURCH FATHERS and UNRELIABLE anonymous/unknown ones used:
Anonymous
“Atticus, sleep in peace, secure in your safety, and pray anxiously for our sins” (funerary inscription near St. Sabina’s in Rome [A.D. 300]).
“Pray for your parents, Matronata Matrona. She lived one year, fifty-two days” (ibid.).
“Mother of God, [listen to] my petitions; do not disregard us in adversity, but rescue us from danger” (Rylands Papyrus 3 [A.D. 350]).
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Pectorius
“Aschandius, my father, dearly beloved of my heart, with my sweet mother and my brethren, remember your Pectorius in the peace of the Fish [Christ]” (Epitaph of Pectorius [A.D. 375]).
ii) The saints who actually prayed ROMAN CATHOLIC or ORTHODOX style today
Ephraim the Syrian
“You victorious martyrs who endured torments gladly for the sake of the God and Savior, you who have boldness of speech toward the Lord himself, you saints, intercede for us who are timid and sinful men, full of sloth, that the grace of Christ may come upon us, and enlighten the hearts of all of us so that we may love him” (Commentary on Mark [A.D. 370]).
“Remember me, you heirs of God, you brethren of Christ; supplicate the Savior earnestly for me, that I may be freed through Christ from him that fights against me day by day” (The Fear at the End of Life [A.D. 370]).
Gregory of Nyssa
“[Ephraim], you who are standing at the divine altar [in heaven] . . . bear us all in remembrance, petitioning for us the remission of sins, and the fruition of an everlasting kingdom” (Sermon on Ephraim the Syrian [A.D. 380]).
*Gregory of Nyssa also believed the “devil could be saved & was full universalist” so his quotes are “not” reliable.
Gregory of Nazianz
“May you [Cyprian] look down from above propitiously upon us, and guide our word and life; and shepherd this sacred flock . . . gladden the Holy Trinity, before which you stand” (Orations 17[24] [A.D. 380]).
*Notice that St. Gregory Nazianzus’ quote above can also mean “part of a speech” rather than “prayer to Cyprian” but regardless it proves he can be in error (please see “conclusion” at the end of this writing with St. Ireneaous of Lyons’ quote which the “Roman Catholics skipped” in their history presentation here who is “more accurate and earlier in time” for rebuttal of such prayers).
iii) FALSELY Attributed to saints in list above
Methodius
“Hail to you for ever, Virgin Mother of God, our unceasing joy, for to you do I turn again. . . . Hail, you treasure of the love of God. Hail, you fount of the Son’s love for man” (Oration on Simeon and Anna 14 [A.D. 305]).
“Therefore, we pray [ask] you, the most excellent among women, who glories in the confidence of your maternal honors, that you would unceasingly keep us in remembrance. O holy Mother of God, remember us, I say, who make our boast in you, and who in august hymns celebrate the memory, which will ever live, and never fade away” (ibid.).
“And you also, O honored and venerable Simeon, you earliest host of our holy religion, and teacher of the resurrection of the faithful, do be our patron and advocate with that Savior God, whom you were deemed worthy to receive into your arms. We, together with you, sing our praises to Christ, who has the power of life and death, saying, ‘You are the true Light, proceeding from the true Light; the true God, begotten of the true God’” (ibid.).
This is FALSELY attributed as I have discussed this particular writing in detail in [Page 266 onward of the #LastBook]
Conclusion
Example evidence by a major Church Father (third from Apostle St. John and disciple of St. Polycarp) by St. Irenaeous of Lyons that the First Roman Catholic Church did “not” Pray to Angels and so in “similar logic” would “not” have “Prayed to Virgin Mary” either
[From Page 94 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
“…For as she has received freely Matthew 10:8 from God, freely also does she minister [to others]. 5. Nor does she perform anything by means of angelic invocations, or by incantations, or by any other wicked curious art; but, directing her prayers to the Lord, who made all things, in a pure, sincere, and straightforward spirit, and calling upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, she has been accustomed to work miracles for the advantage of mankind, and not to lead them into error. …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church,First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD , ‘Against Heresies’, (Book II, Chapter 32), Point 4, 5-partial)
Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103232.htm
Comment: I repeat: Chiliasm fathers are the oldest Church Father’s writing extending to the millennia just that the Roman Catholics skipped it and added new stuff. So I am the one trying to return to it and if you read St. Irenaeous of lyons when he mentioned about prayer, he wrote that the Church only prays to Lord Jesus Christ and NOT to angels even which already disproves your modern roman Catholic position of praying to angels as helpers or intercessors just like prayers to Virgin Mary under the same reasoning cannot be true either as I have shown in my free pdf books with roman Catholic Source even. It’s funny that St. Ireneaous of lyons (third from Apostle St. John and Disciple of St. Polycarp) when writing about prayer never mentioned it to be done via Virgin Mary but only Lord Jesus Christ. Also the fact that in the same breath he wrote that the Church does “not” pray “nor” invoke angels for “help or intercession or whatever else” (say in Page 94 of #ChiliasmBook ) proves that the original roman Catholic Church does not pray to angels as helpers nor as intercessors too and so this proves he definitely does not pray to Virgin Mary either as those who believe such do both and those who don’t do neither prayers to virgin Mary nor to angels. It should be clear to anyone reading this. A person can lie about history but no one can change history (one day God Will Reveal be it after death even).
Question
so it sounds like it’s just a matter of using the word differently. Catholics and Orthodox don’t believe Mary and the saints are God, so they aren’t “praying to them” according to your definition
Reply
It’s called “Marian Prayers” and “Prayers to Angels” (I think you misunderstood their definition or some Catholics are deceiving you with their play of words) as per image you can see that from links below
http://www.catholictradition.org/Angels/guardians-text.htm
or this too
https://msj.edu/student-life/campus-ministry/Marian-Pilgrimage-resources.pdf
Also when Catholics & Orthodox Pray to the dead, it’s “necromancy” and prohibited in Scripture (e.g. Isaiah 8:19 – 20) in image warns ‘something will talk back to them but it is NOT the dead but familiar spirits & the Verse says those who do that HAVE NO LIGHT in THEM’ – sounds pretty serious, so let God Decide whether He Judges or has Mercy on some.
“… Mark 12:26-27
… have you not read in the book of Moses, in the passage about the burning bush, how God spoke to him, saying, “I am the God of Abraham and the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob?” He is not the God of the dead, but of the living; you are greatly mistaken. …”
Yea when Christ Said that Verse, He did “not” teach them to pray to Moses etc. They are living indeed but they are “bodily dead” and we are not supposed to communicate with them, remember Prophet Samuel’s case? Indeed, you are greatly mistaken.
No Church Fathers ever reported any “Virgin Mary Apparition or equivalent” Miracles. Remember that. Signs and Wonders can come from the “Devil” himself. For Roman Catholics/Orthodox, don’t forget the “Miracle Claims” and plenty of “doctor proofs” done by “pentecostals” even weekly too. Sometimes God Heals by “His Mercy” and nothing to do with proving any of your doctrinal claims
That definition of prayer is by Roman Catholic source. Only you guys seem to have more than one definition. Ours is fixed: no communicating in any way to a person who is bodily dead a example of Prophet Samuel (the bodily dead “saint” proves even in 1 Samuel 28:12 – 19). We only communicate with Lord Jesus Christ. Best is even St. Ireneaous of Lyons already said we don’t even communicate with living angels as per quote presented & mentioned clearly that only prayers to Lord Jesus for the Church. Simple as that.
Please look carefully at each quote in link, the Roman Catholics and Orthodox are simply quoting these saints even to mean something they had “not” said namely invocation of saints/angels/Virgin Mary (i.e. prayers to them is “not” found among the earliest Church Fathers timeline). The quotes mention angels and saints pray in heaven, indeed but “no” interaction “nor” prayer is mentioned between them and the living (let them do what they want in heaven) but it has nothing to do with “praying through or to them”; their errors are obvious and only the later Church father quotes erred because such understanding and distinction was obscured. I will use your same source and comment below in regard to this difference in aspect (context) and each can see and decide for themselves who is “more accurate” or “less accurate” or worst still, “who is deliberately lying using these quotes” vs “who is speaking the truth of these quotes as it is”. Let each decide for themselves which is right because it affects Salvation and/or gradation in eternity as well (it also proves that “number of converts or staying in religious power continuously for thousands of years with many churches itself is NOT proof of ‘cannot be wrong in doctrine’ & likewise ‘other doctrines of other protestant denominations can also be in error’ when compared to say Chiliasm Church Fathers especially St. Ireneaous of Lyons & St. Justin Martyr whom I follow most because we cannot simply claim to read the Bible by ourselves as everyone can read it from their own opinions’ – so this is the “honest” route I that agrees with earliest Church History as their writings cover the most topics among earliest Church Fathers.
Peace to you
Example common Arguments against Martin Luther (First Protestant & Founder of the Lutheran Churches)
Question
including his replacement theology, confusion over what justification by faith means and his anti semitism and hatred for anabaptist who he thought it was okay to drown by baptism. yeah he is insane
Reply
1) His “Replacement Theology” is also believed by say John Calvin, founder of the reformed churches and many such Christians today.
2) Justification by Faith debate has spanned entire Christian timeline and so it’s not unique to him though his impact during the reformation highlighted this topic the most.
3) Luther’s antisemitism is definitely wrong but that does not mean his other parts of theology especially when it agrees with earliest Church Fathers is necessarily wrong. A man can have his mistakes and his right points being human. For example, his interpretation of the Parable of the 5 Wise and 5 Foolish Virgins to refer to Faith + Charity Doctrine in essence agrees as a common meaning to all earlier Church Fathers (whether he read those fathers or not) and the meaning is independent of him (because Church Fathers were much earlier) and on the point they all agree such as this, the chances of it being true is higher & I don’t disagree.
4) Aiming to drown anabaptists is definitely wrong and sometimes he might have just said it in words but did not do it literally (‘figure of speech’).
Conclusion – Since “no” protestant can “skip” Martin Luther from their history (since he is the “First Protestant”) and so they must acknowledge that he is “Chosen of God” regardless, the honest part is this: the majority of errors in doctrine & attitude for majority of protestants (including me) are NOT that bad compared to his, right? I mean if GOD can choose such a man he can choose anyone, right? So we just do our part but if “not” that serious (errors in words) and not action it may affect NOT salvation but GRADATION only unless it’s the unforgivable blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. So some churches say “not” wanting to collaborate in ministry with each other or us say in “charity doctrine” based on premise of different theology is absurd since even errors like this by Martin Luther GOD ALLOWED & still used him. Peace to you
Example Martin Luther Post:
Details in link below (too much to list here):
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New Book Titled Last Book – Possibilities and Dangers of Doctrine Free PDF download link:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wjDRr6lzDQ-4D60J8sqmDH-S60tCqQIR/view?usp=sharing
#LastBook or #PODBook or #PossibilitiesandDangersofDoctrineBook .
PRAYER FOR the DEAD and NOT to the DEAD
The funny thing is yet again NONE of the QUOTE proves PRAYING to SAINTS. Let me quote EVERY SINGLE ONE found in the ROMAN CATACOMBS from YOUR SAME SOURCE below and you can see that in each case THEY are PRAYING to GOD so THAT these departed SOULS are COMMITTED to HIM, i.e. PRAYER FOR the DEAD and NOT to the DEAD which I support (as usual let each read “both” sides and decide who is telling the truth), to quote:
“… gave up his soul to God”
and
“Sweet Simplicius, live in eternity”
and in the Catacomb of Domitilla, third century there is:
. . . . SPIRITVS
TVVS IN REFRIGERIO
The beginning of the inscription, containing the name, has disappeared. “May thy spirit be in refreshment”.
The Commemoration for the dead.
Meménto étiam, Dómine, famulórum famularúmque tuárum N. et N. qui nos præcessérunt cum signo fídei, et dórmiunt in somno pacis.
Be mindful, O Lord, of thy servants and handmaids N. and N., who are gone before us, with the sign of faith, and sleep in the sleep of peace.
He joins his hands, prays a little while for those dead whom he means to pray for, then with his hands stretched out, continues:
Ipsis, Dómine, et ómnibus in Christo quiescéntibus, locum refrigérii, lucis et pacis, ut indúlgeas, deprecámur.
To these, O Lord, and to all that rest in Christ, we beseech thee, grant a place of refreshment, light, and peace.
In eternal sleep. Aurelius Gemellus, who lived … years and 8 months and 18 days. His mother made this for her dearest well- deserving son. In peace. I commend [to thee], Bassilla, the innocence of Gemellus.
Lady Bassilla [= Saint Bassilla], we, Crescentinus and Micina, commend to thee our daughter Crescen[tina], who lived 10 months and … days.
Matronata Matrona, who lived a year and 52 days. Pray for thy parents.
[…]
Amerimnus to his dearest well-deserving wife, Rufina. May God refresh thy spirit
Sweet Faustina, mayest thou live in God.
Refresh, O God, the soul of
Bolosa, may God refresh thee, who lived 31 years ; died on the 19th of September. In Christ.
…”
Source:
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The Math of Psychology – Are our “brains stable”? (which can be seen based on ‘what we believe especially in regards to “money”‘)
The “Real” Psychological Problem of the “Prosperity Gospel” Example
1) Noah’s Ark incident is a specific event and it’s true for that case
2) Applying that to herself is definitely a common fallacy as God never “promised” anything like that because if He did, then “Christians” would never “get robbed, never die in accident, never have diseases etc.” but we know that these happen to “anyone” (Christian or not according to “free choice” and “Time & chance” as God Revealed in Ecclesiastes 9:11).
3) In fact CHRIST Himself Said that “God’s True Prophets” SUFFERED the MOST including being KILLED, MARTYRED (Matthew 23:35, Luke 11:51) or the BEST in FAITH & HOLINESS even “WANDERED HOMELESS without PROSPERITY & HUNGRY etc.” in CAVES & Mountains (Hebrews 11:37 – 38).
4) This is a common “Prosperity Gospel error” of trying due “be safe” and it’s due to psychologically living in “fear” and so trying to use “religion” (say attend church, pay tithes, holiness, do charity etc,) to try “buy” God’s Protection which is a “false” even for the New Testament as I have discussed say in [Pages 268 & 269 onward of the #LastBook] with the famous “I can do all things through Christ Verse” to mean “endure POVERTY or PROSPERITY” (both) regardless. Can you see it “as it is Written”?
5) As per HEBREWS 11:39 here referring to “Abrahamic Promise”, NOT one of THOSE of FAITH received any part of it in their LIFE on EARTH which PROVES “PROSPERITY GOSPEL as WRONG as it teaches some part of it can be ‘claimed’ now on earth. Contradiction! Please see St. Ireneaous of Lyons revealing that LORD JESUS CHRIST Taught this CHILIASM Prophecy context that “Abrahamic Promise” is only AFTER the RESURRECTION and the JEWS ERRED in [in Pages 33/34 onward of the #LastBook] or [From Page 274 onward of the #ChiliasmBook] or [From Page 230 onward of the #DoctrineBook] for more details.
Peace to you
Powerpoint Slide – Why I wrote the books? An Explanation
FULL Powerpoint Viewer Version (sent in emails) but Posted 7 Dec 2023 in link below:
Update: FYI, as of 13 Dec 2023 I added “four” more slides (Slides 118 to 121) making total slides to 129 currently.
*Any error is mine and if anything turned out accurate it’s by God’s Grace only.
Peace to you and Thank you
Who are we? (Photos below from 6 Dec 2023 – Just having fun with camera and hairstyles change) haha
Special Thank You to God (Who by His Mercy allows us to live even if we are wrong knowingly or unknowingly),
Gavin Vincent (for managing the website), Benaiah (for songs, photos and videos) & all others for theological discussions & support etc.
Photo: 8 Dec 2023
Simple example of “human will” influence even in priesthood and that the best don’t always get appointed either even within “Christianity”. Love of money/Prosperity are usually the main “unfairness”.
The Math of Truth vs Honesty
We report an “Evidence” for example regarding “possible Non Elect Salvation” and whether it’s true or not let God Decide but we will NEVER be LIARS either way because that’s the TRUTH as HISTORY records meaning even if wrong, God will understand as we did NOT quote “voices in the head nor some made up modern quotes which existed not in First Christianity”. Can you see it? Truth is not always about being correct (which is best) but also about being “honest” (reporting something as it is which has “no” condemnation either). The quotes I added are example of ‘how’ I think it might be ‘possible’ if St. Gregory Nazianzus’ quotes here are true. Only God can decide which is Truth here so it remains a “possibility” only (not doctrine).
Who is he? Blessed St. Gregory Nazianzus, the Second Great Greek Doctor of the Church, also known as Gregory the Theologian or Gregory Nazianzen, Archbishop of Constantinople, Theologian, Doctor of the Church, Great Hierarch, Cappadocian Father, Ecumenical Teacher, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church (c. 329 AD – c. 390 AD).
#GregoryNazianzus #DoctoroftheChurch #ChurchFather #GreatHirearch #Orthodox #Catholic #NonElectSalvation #Possibility #Not #Doctrine .
#Christian #Quotes #Mystery even for #Protestants .
[From Page 351 onward of the #LastBook] An example Judgment Day believing after Seeing possibility for Non Elect Salvation possibility in the Book of 1Enoch. That quote is below:
for further comparison:
[Chapter 50]
1 And in those days a change shall take place for the holy and elect,
And the light of days shall abide upon them,
And glory and honour shall turn to the holy,
2 On the day of affliction on which evil shall have been treasured up against the sinners.
And the righteous shall be victorious in the name of the Lord of Spirits:
And He will cause the others to witness (this)
That they may repent
And forgo the works of their hands.
3 They shall have no honour through the name of the Lord of Spirits,
Yet through His name shall they be saved,
And the Lord of Spirits will have compassion on them,
For His compassion is great.
4 And He is righteous also in His judgement,
And in the presence of His glory unrighteousness also shall not maintain itself:
At His judgement the unrepentant shall perish before Him.
5 And from henceforth I will have no mercy on them, saith the Lord of Spirits.
Source: (Book of 1Enoch, Chapters 50 in FULL). Translation Source (via Famous Protestant Historian Professor Philip Schaff, Professor of Church History and Biblical Literature in the German Reformed Theological Seminary):
https://www.ccel.org/c/charles/otpseudepig/enoch/ENOCH_2.HTM
You can also find this translation in other sources (even parallel translations) all read the same for this part in say in link here: http://www.qbible.com/enoch/
Notice that this same quote is found in CHAPTER 49 and not 50 in the other translation of Book of 1Enoch due to modern numberings but the content is same, example link below:
http://www.qbible.com/enoch/49.html
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#Enoch #BookofEnoch #Bookof1Enoch #Qumran #JudgmentDay #NonElectSalvation #Possibility #not #Doctrine .
The Qumran Caves discovery of Book of 1Enoch contains pieces of the originals but is missing traces of “part 2” which if preserved in the “Ethiopic equivalent” has a Possible Non-Elect Salvation Judgment Day Quote (shown in image) toward a “Salvation with NO HONOUR and BELIEVING AFTER SEEING” (hence NOT elect-salvation but NON-Elect Salvation).
“Possible” Academic Logic: (since the “part 1” modern cave Qumran discovery which pre-dates CHRIST matches the “part1 for Ethiopic Version” as well”) for the ‘traces part’ so it’s possible that Part 2 (quoted in image) could be “true” from within this “same” Book of 1Enoch in Ethiopic Version as well (NOT Book of 2Enoch, 3ENOCH etc. which are most likely NOT true).
#Enoch #Jewish #Bookof1Enoch #BookofEnoch #Qumran #Discovery #Ethiopic #Orthodox Possible #Scripture #Catholic for #JudgmentDay #Believe after #seeingisbelieving #NonElectSalvation #Possibility #Not #Doctrine .
#Christian #Quotes #Mystery even for #Protestants .
Never forget the other side of the coin – Can you prove your theological possibility by quoting even your theological enemies?
Here I present that CHILIASM PROPHECY Timeline is held by GREATEST Fathers among the EARLIEST KNOWN (no earlier writings of any fathers survive to such PROPHECY CONTEXT preservation where if anyone says otherwise, please ask for quote and source). Details of which CHILIASM PROPHECY is correct or not can be debated. That’s the MOST HONEST POSITION with EVIDENCE which I see where in pages mentioned in image I quote ROMAN CATHOLIC HISTORICAL SOURCE as well.
#CHILIASM #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by #DoctoroftheChurch and #EARLIEST #CHURCH #HISTORY & #ChurchFather from #Orthodox #Catholic #NonElectSalvation #Possibility #Not #Doctrine .
#Christian #Quotes #Mystery even for #Protestants #Ambrose #JustinMartyr #iraneus #Tertullian #melito #Papias #Methodius #Lactantius #Victorinus #Hippolytus .
First Great Latin Doctor of the Church – St. Ambrose of Milan who converted, baptized and taught St. Augustine of Hippo himself believed in CHILIASM Prophecy and NON-Elect Salvation – did you know?
*First as in order of time he existed (“earliest”). There are billions of Christians but are eventually theologically linked and converted mostly toward St. Augustine of Hippo’s writings influencing next (“spiritual parenting context”) but here we find his spiritual parent believes differently. In slides 114 to 118 (link below) I show how St. Ambrose’s quotes have affected Roman Catholicism even today.
#CHILIASM #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by #DoctoroftheChurch and #EARLIEST #CHURCH #HISTORY & #ChurchFather from #Orthodox #Catholic #NonElectSalvation #Possibility #Not #Doctrine .
#Christian #Quotes #Mystery even for #Protestants #Ambrose #AmbroseofMilan #Teacher and the one who #Converted #Augustine (#AugustineofHippo) and #Baptized him into #Christianity as his #spiritual #parent .
Second Great Latin Doctor of the Church – St. Jerome of Stridon (also believed in Non-Elect Salvation Possibility) – did you know?
*Second as in order of time he existed (“earliest”). God used his TRANSLATION of the BIBLE to CONVERT the WESTERN world for at least 1000 years (6th century to 1600 AD) as the “ONLY ONE”. Can you “SEE” it? Notice that Roman Catholics use the quote in Slide 91 to refer to the unlearnt case but St. Jerome does not limit it thus) which can easily be proven with Slide 92 which Roman Catholics use for “Purgatory support” but if you read the actual quote in “full” it CONTRADICTS their claim that “Purgatory is only for holy but imperfect Roman Catholics”, since St. JEROME’s ACTUAL QUOTE seems to include SINNERS, HERETICS (‘unbelievers’ too), JEWISH-UNBELIEVERS to even SODOMITES etc. to be SAVED by FIRE as the MEANING of 1 Corinthians 3:14 – 15, the BIBLE VERSE he quotes for this INTERPRETATION together with EZEKIEL 16:48 – 55 in FINAL JUDGMENT CONTEXT. Let GOD decide which is right but as usual I present the “evidence” for this “possibility”.
St. Jerome is sometimes unfairly ‘mocked’ by some so called modern scholars as ‘psychologically unstable etc.’ because say his virginity quotes (since he lost it) seems to reveal his inner turmoil trying to reach perfection again (just like even King David in the Bible is often analyzed for “depression or as having psychological issues” via his “honest psalms to God”) but these are wrongly interpreted because St. Jerome and King David are honestly revealing their inner thoughts to God (many modern ones just hide it and may be the real crazy ones inside due to prosperity-hunger or “love of money” which is the “root” [unseen] of “all evil” etc.). Proof? GOD chose St. JEROME and King DAVID so GOD cannot be choosing “psychos” for say writing a BIBLE TRANSLATION as the ONLY ONE for 1000 years as in the case of St. Jerome (if multiple translations some can be from unstable-men) and in the case of King David, how can GOD use a psychologically unstable person to write INSPIRED VERSES in PSALMS for which he is judged even? Silly, right? Please don’t be deceived.
#NONELECTSALVATION #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by #DoctoroftheChurch and #EARLIEST #CHURCH #HISTORY & #ChurchFather from #Orthodox #Catholic #Non #Elect #Salvation #Possibility not #Doctrine .
#Christian #Quotes #Mystery even for #Protestants #Jerome #Stridon whose #Bible #Translation the #Vulgate #God used to #Convert the #Western #World for #1000 #years as the #onlyone .
Neither did St. Augustine of Hippo believed in “secret” coming of Christ. Did you know? Church Fathers all believed in post-tribulation rapture only (can be inferred via quotes like this too). Present the evidence but let God Decide who is right. Also, #prophets can have #zero #prophecy #error meaning at most those sincere #Christians with wrong prophecy beliefs or teaching can be at most #teachers as per the #ministry #Bible #Verses in the New Testament.
Does best Christian Music itself prove right theology? No, here’s a sample evidence. Why am I writing this? [Showing “reason” is NOT linked to “feeling”]
Some Christians think that just because a worship song is nice it must be from a person with right theology. Generally Roman Catholics consider Protestants as “unsaved” and vice versa. So here I try to show using CHRISTMAS SONGS (which are MOST ANGELIC WORSHIP even for both CATHOLICS & PROTESTANT CHRISTIANS) but yet MOST SING SONGS from BOTH TYPE of BELIEVERS here even though their “official denomination” position denounces the other as “unsaved”, right?
Christmas Songs by Catholics/Orthodox – did God Inspire these Songs through them?
“… Four verses and the tune of ‘Adeste Fideles’ (‘Come all ye faithful’) come from an eighteenth-century Roman Catholic layman, John Francis Wade. ‘Silent night, holy night’ was the work of two Austrian Catholics, the priest and organist of a country church. …”
Source: https://blog.oup.com/2014/12/christmas-catholicism-vsi/
Christmas Songs by Protestants – did God Inspire these Songs through them?
“… The text of ‘Hark the herald angels sing’ was written by Charles Wesley. Its widely used melody is taken from Felix Mendelssohn, who was born into a Jewish family and brought up a Lutheran. We owe ‘Away in a manger’ to a nineteenth-century children’s book used by American Lutherans. …”
Source: https://blog.oup.com/2014/12/christmas-catholicism-vsi/
Christmas Songs by those identifying NEITHER as Catholics/Orthodox NOR Protestants or MIXED – did God Inspire these Songs through them?
“… Isaac Watts, a non-conformist, composed the words of ‘Joy to the world’. An Episcopalian bishop, Phillips Brooks, wrote ‘O little town of Bethlehem’, and the tune we normally hear accompanying this comes from Ralph Vaughan Williams [who is an atheist/agnostic]. …”
Source: https://blog.oup.com/2014/12/christmas-catholicism-vsi/
Conclusion
So no point discriminating anyone from MUSIC MINISTRY in any denomination saying ‘we won’t allow you to play unless you oath yourself to our belief or equivalent’ like I faced in a Church which I have left more than 10 years now after serving in music ministry there for about 13 years. I am more of a protestant with a heavy CHILIASM leaning based on earliest Church Fathers’ writings and my style is to present the evidence & let the verdict belong to God (honesty).
Peace to you
Third Great Latin Doctor of the Church – St. Augustine of Hippo did NOT see any contradiction to CHRIST’s WORK on the CROSS regarding someone saved in the “Spirit World AFTER Judgment” – did you know?
*Third as in order of time he existed (“earliest”). St. Augustine impacted most of Christianity (be it catholic, protestant or orthodox) in that his writings influenced the founders and major saints who came after him. Numbers don’t necessarily prove accuracy of doctrine as even the history of Israel with its priests and prophets prove that even in Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ’s time, CHRIST even remarked famously as follows toward PRIESTS: “… Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? …” (John 3:10, NKJV) and GOD is NOT authour of CONFUSION (1 Corinthians 14:33) must be viewed even in light of St. Augustine’s quotes here CONTRADICTING St. Jerome and St. Ambrose of Milan shown in earlier slides.
Can you SEE it? So we can view the SCOPE of NON-ELECT SALVATION to be limited to “PROSPERITY CHRISTIANS” (St. Augustine’s quote here) versus WIDER SCOPE to INCLUDE NON-CHRISTIANS or even SOME HERETICS (St. Jerome’s quotes in slides 91 – 92 or St. Ambrose of Milan’s quotes in slides 89 – 90 or slides 114 to 118) as a POSSIBILITY (not doctrine) due to such CONTRADICTIONS but we need to present the EVIDENCE HONESTLY (“both sides”) and let GOD DECIDE the VERDICT.
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Fourth/Last Great Latin Doctor of the Church – St. Gregory the Great whom even Blessed John Calvin (Founder of Reformed Churches & Calvinism for Protestantism) called him the “last good pope” – did you know?
*Fourth/Last as in order of time he existed (“earliest”). The LATIN Church only had FOUR “Great” Doctors due to their writings influencing all of LATIN CHRISTIANITY the MOST converting all of them in one way or the other. St. Gregory the Great is last and though he did NOT write about non-elect salvation, he personally seems to have experienced a situation (if true) regarding NON-ELECT Salvation class type for “pagan emperor Trajan” as EAST and WEST bear witness in their records. Apparently GOD told him NOT to ask for such salvation maybe because as REVELATION 22:17 we see the BRIDE (Church) asking the same for some “thirsty” for NON-ELECT SALVATION but only for future time after judgment and not now? Difficult so again I present the evidence and possible explanations but GOD DECIDES the VERDICT.
#NONELECTSALVATION #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by and #EARLIEST #CHURCH #HISTORY & #ChurchFather from #Orthodox #Catholic #Non #Elect #Salvation #Possibility not #Doctrine . #Purgatory for #Trajan #Pagan #Unbeliever #Christian #Quotes #Mystery even for #Protestants #Augustine #Jerome #Ambrose #Gregory as the #only four #Great #Latin #DoctoroftheChurch .
Third Great Greek Doctor of the Church – St. Basil the Great wrote about possible NON Elect Salvation for those IMPRISONED in HADES/SHEOL now – did you know?
*Third as in order of time he existed (“earliest”). The GREEK Church only had FOUR “Great” Doctors due to their writings influencing all of ORTHODOX CHRISTIANITY the MOST converting all of them in one way or the other. St. Basil the Great seems to write for some possible NON-ELECT SALVATION after judgment in HADES/SHEOL for some in “PRISON”? Those in “PRISON and have NO CROWNS” sounds more like “non-Christians” and he could be just repeating something he had learnt from the Church Fathers along his spiritual lineage before him in succession too. Difficult so again I present the evidence and possible explanations but GOD DECIDES the VERDICT.
#NONELECTSALVATION #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by and #EARLIEST #CHURCH #HISTORY & #ChurchFather from #Orthodox #Catholic #Non #Elect #Salvation #Possibility not #Doctrine . #Purgatory for #Trajan #Pagan #Unbeliever #Christian #Quotes #Mystery even for #Protestants #Athanasius #Gregory #Nazianzus #Basil #Chrysosthom as the #only four #Great #Greek #DoctoroftheChurch .
Fourth/Last Great Greek Doctor of the Church – St. John Chrysosthom wrote about possible NON Elect Salvation for those in “Purgatory” or equivalent now – did you know?
*Fourth/Last as in order of time he existed (“earliest”). The GREEK Church only had FOUR “Great” Doctors due to their writings influencing all of ORTHODOX CHRISTIANITY the MOST converting all of them in one way or the other. St. John Chrysosthom seems to write for some possible NON-ELECT SALVATION after judgment in HADES/SHEOL for some in “PRISON”? These are standard quotes used even by Roman Catholics to try prove their version of purgatory. Difficult so again I present the evidence and possible explanations but GOD DECIDES the VERDICT.
#NONELECTSALVATION #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by and #EARLIEST #CHURCH #HISTORY & #ChurchFather from #Orthodox #Catholic #Elect #Salvation #Possibility not #Doctrine . #Purgatory for #Pagan #Unbeliever #Christian #Quotes #Mystery even for #Protestants #Athanasius #Gregory #Nazianzus #Basil #Chrysosthom as the #only four #Great #Greek #DoctoroftheChurch .
Protestant – C.S. Lewis wrote about possible NON Elect Salvation for those in “Purgatory” or equivalent now – did you know?
C.S. Lewis the authour of the famous “Chronicles of Narnia” movie and whose “Christian writings” have encouraged an entire generation of “missionaries/pastors etc.” seems to write for some possible NON-ELECT SALVATION after judgment in HADES/SHEOL for some in “PRISON”? C. S. Lewis implies that “Purgatory is true” according to some “reformers” as well but the “details” can differ & I present with Church Father quotes which he may NOT have had access to in other slides. Difficult so again I present the evidence and possible explanations but GOD DECIDES the VERDICT.
#NONELECTSALVATION #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by and #EARLIEST #CHURCH #HISTORY & #ChurchFather from #Orthodox #Catholic #Elect #Salvation #Possibility not #Doctrine . #Purgatory by #CSLEWIS #NARNIA #Unbeliever #Christian #Quotes #Mystery even for #Protestants #Athanasius #Gregory #Nazianzus #Basil #Chrysosthom as the #only four #Great #Greek #DoctoroftheChurch .
CHILIASM Church Father – St. Melito of Sardis wrote about SHADOW of DEATH to refer to JUDGMENT regions of SHEOL/HADES which in turn can imply possible NON Elect Salvation for those in “Purgatory” or equivalent now as per BIBLE* verses quoted in Slide 98 – did you know?
*Why St. Melito of Sardis’ is important? Example quote:
“… Melito may have been the immediate successor of the “angel” (or “apostle”) of the church of Sardis , to whom our Great High Priest addressed one of the apocalyptic messages [referring to Revelation 3:1 – can you “see” it?]. He was an “Apostolic Father” in point of fact; he very probably knew the blessed Polycarp and his disciple Irenaeus. …”
Source: https://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/melito.html
*Example “Sola Scriptura” argument for SHADOW of DEATH part: GOD Himself Reveals to Job that the phrase “SHADOW of DEATH” in Holy Scripture can be a “HIDDEN” way to refer to the PUNISHMENT regions of SHEOL/HEBREW in Job 38:17 but in Psalms 107:14 we seem to see a “possible prophecy” which seem to REVEAL Most Blessed LORD JESUS CHRIST Saving these DISOBEDIENT ones in SPIRIT WORLD PRISON as even 1 Peter 3:19 could be referring to such ones too (who spurned & rejected his words, counsel, etc. whose CONTEXT can be seen with Psalm 107:11 – 13 prior) and 1 Peter 4:6 can mean this is continuing till today (with Shepherd of Hermas and other Church Father quotes). I am NOT saying that this must be it but as long as it’s POSSIBLE like this, we must present the EVIDENCE HONESTLY and LET GOD DECIDE the VERDICT, right? ESV is generally considered by Bible scholars as “best translation” as well in English, just saying as the Verse does NOT depend on that.
Difficult so again I present the evidence and possible explanations but GOD DECIDES the VERDICT.
#NONELECTSALVATION #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by and #EARLIEST #CHURCH #HISTORY & #ChurchFather from #Orthodox #Catholic #Elect #Salvation #Possibility not #Doctrine . #Purgatory for #Pagan #Melito #Unbeliever #Christian #Quotes #Mystery even for #Protestants #Athanasius #Gregory #Nazianzus #Basil #Chrysosthom as the #only four #Great #Greek #DoctoroftheChurch .
Other Major Church Father especially of the DOCTOR of the CHURCH type before 700 AD Quotes regarding NON-ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY and ITS CLASSES [From Page 1836 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]
Example quote:
“… BILLIONS of CHRISTIANS for the last 2000 years but only 37 DOCTORS of the CHURCH in total. Now, out of that only about 18 lived within the first 700 years of CHRISTIANITY. Now 14 of these DOCTORS of the CHURCH for the FIRST 700 years of CHRISTIANITY seem to have some type of POSSIBLE NON ELECT SALVATION Quote (except that the term is not coined). …”
*In some the non-elect salvation quote may “not” be strong but it is there proving such an idea of being saved in “Spirit World Context or its classes of Salvation” was always there, right? Or did all these 14 out of 18 Doctors of the Church in first 700 AD (so FIRST CHRISTIANITY) were in error?
Update: FYI, as of 20 Dec 2023 total slides is 144 currently.
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Abundant Life Mystery – FRUIT is linked to “GRATITUDE” while GUILT is our SINS while GRACE is GOD’s FREE GIFT of SALVATION
What did CHRIST Teach about “FOLLOWING HIM”?
The Gratitude part produces the three harvest fruits of the Gospel be it thirtyfold, sixtyfold or hundredfold 💯 level of renunciation as MOST BLESSED LORD JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF TAUGHT as follows in Matthew 19:29 to DO ONE OR MORE OF THESE THINGS including the CHARITY DOCTRINE PERFECTION of GIVING away ONE’s POSSESSIONS (not donations from other people’s money only) in Matthew 19:21 such as MONEY, SKILLS, PROPERTY in one way or the other such as SHARING (Acts 4:32, Acts 2:44) where in modern times can be done via a WILL too. More details say in
[From Page 606 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]
[From Page 316 onward of the #LastBook]
[From Page 892 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
The “Abundant Life” definition CHRIST Taught has NOTHING to do with EARTHLY PROSPERITY GOSPEL as Luke 12:15 reveals and Luke 12:21 with Luke 12:33 – 34 (same chapter, topic) reveals that “hoarding for self prosperity draws a person away from God” but if hoarded for a WILL at end of life to give some for the POOR is okay. Compare these Verses in image (LISTEN to CHRIST, Matthew 17:5). Peace to you
Question 1
how could you be good at olyympiad questions? how much does it take from you?
Reply 1
I am not “good” at it. There are much better ones. I just do what I can by God’s Grace and what’s beyond me I don’t force myself into it. I just try to enjoy the math as I attempt to solve.
Question 2
Math Olympiad now Biblical platform.
Reply 2
I will share the Bible on my page be it even on my personal profile or even Math Page because that’s most important to me to share what I believe and also what I consider as possibilities of doctrine so that the viewers get to know even the Bible knowledge from my perspective which is mostly studying Chiliasm Church Fathers as well as I think there must be “earlier” Church Fathers who contemplated the same possibilities of doctrine as I do.
TQ
Question
All believers are saints and righteous people through the sinless precious blood of Jesus. We glorify and give praises to the Lord not saints. I can die without the knowledge about saints but not without christ who is the ONLY life giver
Reply
Yepp no one is giving any glory to saints. Did you read the quote above? St. ireneaous is explaining that the “glory” does “not” even belong to “disciples/christian for following Christ” but rather that the “Glory is Christ’s which we ought to see”. In fact, “wrong knowledge/doctrine” will “not” give glory to God and so we need to read those before us to check as it cannot be that “no” one knew true knowledge or God could not preserve it and it depended on a few modern ones right? So who is right on which part of doctrine, let God Decide.
Secret of #Natural Human Psychology and why we need God’s Charity Doctrine #Commandment
#Secret of #understanding almost #all of #human #psychology which is #Prosperity driven is #beautifully #explained within this #quote in #image . That’s #why #God in #Lord #Jesus #Christ #commanded the #Charity #Doctrine so that we understand our #natural #evil #motives and #counter it with His #CharityDoctrine #Commands to #Cleanse #All as Luke 11:41 #Revealed.
This is a one of the Greatest Secret Directly from the Bible and Revealed by Lord Jesus Christ Himself. Peace to you
The Math of Music Holiness
Fast Fact first: The “Bible” itself records “Secular Song” by Blessed King David (who is the BEST WORSHIPPER of GOD & the only man mentioned to be AFTER God’s Heart in the Bible) to his best friend “Jonathan” which does NOT worship NOR mention God once in the Song itself meaning God ALLOWS it in Scripture!
In this “song of the Bow” we find these famous lines
“… 25“How the mighty have fallen in the midst of the battle! JONATHAN WAS SLAIN IN YOUR HIGH PLACES. 26I AM DISTRESSED FOR YOU, MY BROTHER JONATHAN; You have been very pleasant to me; YOUR LOVE TO ME WAS WONDERFUL, SURPASSING THE LOVE OF WOMEN. …” (2 Samuel 1:25 – 26, NKJV)
So we cannot make “fake holiness” by disapproving what God has allowed and allowing what God has disallowed in the Bible.
I have discussed this aspect [From Page 293 onward of the #BibleandChurchFathersQuoteBook] if keen.
This famous modern singer in 2023 is extremely popular with say 8.3 BILLION YouTube Views and yet he is willing to GIVE such a MONEY-LUCRATIVE music business for CHRIST. Daddy Yankee probably has to leave it because the SONG types which are MOST POPULAR SING with DIRTY DOUBLE SEXUAL MEANINGS and/or have SEXUAL or SEXY IMAGES or DANCING in MUSIC VIDEOS (these type songs are even done by some ARTISTS claiming to be Christians even depicting to encourage WOMENIZING, DRUGS, ALCOHOL, DIRTY DANCING, DOUBLE MEANINGS etc. which strangely are “most popular”. It shows how sick the “general society” which supports it really is, right? Let God Judge.
“… The post’s caption accompanied a video clip of Daddy Yankee sharing his plans to dedicate himself to his religion with retirement. It went on to quote lines from the Bible: “‘For what good is it for a man to gain the whole world, if he loses his life? Or how much can a man pay for his life? For the Son of Man will come in the glory of his Father and with his angels, and then he will reward each one according to what he has done.'” … Luis Fonsi, who performed with Daddy Yankee on Sunday night and famously collaborated with him on “Despacito,” their chart-topping 2017 hit, shared a message praising the mark his fellow artist has left on the industry.…”
Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/daddy-yankee-retiring-music-devote-life-christianity/
CHRISTIAN ARTISTS need to ask this question:
Does my songs PROMOTE SIN or sings about LOVE or LIFE in a secular way without contradicting any Bible Verse?
If our songs celebrate sins (in words, dirty dancing or in images), no matter how popular it is, it actually JUDGES the “christian” artist for his ETERNAL REWARDS to be lower or no reward (1 Corinthians 3:15) unless he has REPENTED and RENOUNCED such ones. Peace to you
Update: FYI, as of 11 Dec 2023 (today) I added more slides making it from 71 slides to 125 slides now.
Powerpoint Slide – Why I wrote the books? An Explanation
Powerpoint Viewer Version (sent in emails) but Posted 7 Dec 2023
*Any error is mine and if anything turned out accurate it’s by God’s Grace only.
Peace to you and Thank you
[Text] Hypocrites say All religion same.
One of the biggest hypocrites are those who often say
“… I don’t believe in converting anyone into my religion; for me all religion is same & I believe in family …”.
And here’s some example proof why:
1) When a person in a family converts say into Christianity, these immediately “cut off all ties” with that person because he is a Christian because before “knowing of that conversion” they were in “contact” with him. This “contradicts” their statement that they will ‘never keep away from family’ where this “cut-off person” was their “family” too, right? So a more “truthful” statement would be they will keep in contact with you if and only if you believe the same as them, right? True Christians must thus talk/keep in contact with non-Christian family members and NOT play these same LOW-IQ games; obvious, right?
2) When a person of a certain skill is encountered, they give work so they can make money too. But after knowing that person’s Christian beliefs, they realize that it does “not” agree with “their religion” or that it does “not” glorify their “own race”, so they “stop” giving work. This “contradicts” their statement that they said ‘all religion is same’. Because if so, they would “not” mind a person converting into Christianity or anything else since they said all is same, right? This again is another lie. True Christians do “not” make such “false” claims just to please men. We know that our religion is NOT the same as others.
We respect other religions by NOT commenting on it as Bible instructed (in 1 Corinthians 5:9 – 13 as obedience is better than sacrifice [From Page 274 onward of the #LastBook]). If someone claiming to be Christian does the opposite, it’s NOT the same as us just like if a person from your religion does wrong, we don’t judge all of them wrong, right? So each is only judged for their “own actions/words”, fair, right? Peace to you
The Math of Honesty with Sola Scriptura even
Example “Sola Scriptura” argument for SHADOW of DEATH part: GOD Himself Reveals to Job that the phrase “SHADOW of DEATH” in Holy Scripture can be a “HIDDEN” way to refer to the PUNISHMENT regions of SHEOL/HEBREW in Job 38:17 but in Psalms 107:14 we seem to see a “possible prophecy” which seem to REVEAL Most Blessed LORD JESUS CHRIST Saving these DISOBEDIENT ones in SPIRIT WORLD PRISON as even 1 Peter 3:19 could be referring to such ones too (who spurned & rejected his words, counsel, etc. whose CONTEXT can be seen with Psalm 107:11 – 13 prior) and 1 Peter 4:6 can mean this is continuing till today (with Shepherd of Hermas and other Church Father quotes). I am NOT saying that this must be it but as long as it’s POSSIBLE like this, we must present the EVIDENCE HONESTLY and LET GOD DECIDE the VERDICT, right? ESV is generally considered by Bible scholars as “best translation” as well in English, just saying as the Verse does NOT depend on that. Peace to you
Update: FYI, as of 19 Dec 2023 total slides is 140 currently.
#NONELECTSALVATION #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by and #EARLIEST #CHURCH #HISTORY & #ChurchFather from #Orthodox #Catholic #Non #Elect #Salvation #Possibility not #Doctrine . #Purgatory for #Pagan #Unbeliever #Christian #Quotes #Mystery even for #Protestants why #Great #Greek or #Latin #DoctoroftheChurch seem to speak this.
Can “not” sure be the most honest position? In difficult topics such as NON-Elect Salvation but only after presenting “both sides”? Yes; Example here with Book of 1Enoch which in Slide 88 has Possible NON Elect Salvation quotes from the “Book of Parables” part
Problem (rephrased)
The “Dead Sea Scrolls” or “Qumran” cave discovery does “not” have the “Book of Parables” section among the “Book of 1Enoch” sections found (so far) but the “Ethiopic Book of 1Enoch” version has this Book of Parables part.
Possible Reason 1
Also please don’t forget these facts: Firstly, three of Old Testament Scripture were NOT found either at Qumran (at least Esther is 100% not found while the other two depends on which Scriptural definition or tradition in regard to naming the Qumran scribes believed in – either way it’s unproven and remains a theological gymnastic only too).
Source: https://www.logos.com/grow/hall-dead-sea-scrolls/
Possible Reason 2
And NOT all the Deuterocanonicals or Apocrypha were found either at Qumran even though Roman Catholic and Orthodox Bibles have them as Scripture until the Reformation (meaning entire Christianity saw them as “full” Scripture and for more than 1000 years from 6th to 16th Century as the period prior is always debated and stories are made due to lack of documentation).
Source: https://www.logos.com/grow/hall-dead-sea-scrolls/
Possible Reason 3
Another theory is that “Book of Parables” part of “Book of 1Enoch” does NOT deal with “Israelite-ethnicity-focus” but reveals “Parables” with “Prophecy” generally regarding CHRIST or “Son of Man” even toward “Gentiles” & remember that the section I quoted in Slide 88 parallels very similar in wording even to Revelation 20:11 to 15 but has additional details which can be seen in say [From Page 350 & 351 onward of the #LastBook] meaning “Book of Parables” has a “possibility” to be true.
Source:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/291838442_The_Parables_of_Enoch_and_the_manuscripts_from_Qumran
Only God Knows which is Real or not. Peace to you
#NONELECTSALVATION #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by and #EARLIEST #CHURCH #HISTORY & #ChurchFather from #Orthodox #Catholic #Elect #Salvation #Possibility not #Doctrine . #Purgatory for #Pagan #Unbeliever #Christian #Quotes #Bookof1Enoch #BookofParables
#Enoch #Mystery even for #Protestants in support of #Athanasius #Gregory #Nazianzus #Basil #Chrysosthom as the #only four #Great #Greek & #Ambrose #Jerome #Augustine #GregorytheGreat Great #Latin #DoctoroftheChurch .
The Math of False Teachers and False Prophets – GOD cannot use say Martin Luther (First Protestant) to ERR on TOPICS which can LEAD one to ETERNAL HELL, right? Example quote here why “NON ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY from SLIDE 105″ is within what the FIRST SPIRIT LED CHRISTIAN Blessed Martin Luther (First Protestant and Founder of Lutheran Churches” has ALLOWED to CONTEMPLATE as a POSSIBILITY (NOT Doctrine) since he says that NONE can PROVE it (but we attempt it because he did NOT have access the CHURCH FATHERS especially 14 out of 18 DOCTORS of the CHURCH type saying some quotes in that direction as proven in previous slides, can you SEE it?) This means contemplating NON ELECT SALVATION like this NEVER makes any Christian a FALSE TEACHER NOR a FALSE PROPHET if held as a POSSIBILITY only and NOT doctrine being HONEST in light of EVIDENCE but yet NOT 100% sure since no one knows how accurate these quotes are preserved EXCEPT GOD as per his own quote here too in image.
“… 9then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment, 10and especially those who walk according to the flesh in the lust of uncleanness and despise authority. They are presumptuous, self-willed. They are not afraid to speak evil of [c]dignitaries, 11whereas angels, who are greater in power and might, do not bring a reviling accusation against them before the Lord. …” (2 Peter 2:9 – 11, NKJV)
Also a person who is “SELF WILLED” would NOT be quoting 14 out of 18 Doctors of the Church before 700 AD say for NON ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY based on any SPIRIT WORLD TYPE OF SALVATION by CHRIST NOR will such a person quote say especially MARTIN LUTHER (Slide 105, First Protestant & Founder of Lutheran Churches) and JOHN WESLEY [in Slide 108, Major Protestant & main Founder of the Methodist Churches] (where before 700 AD is a comfortable timeline as FIRST CHRISTIANITY even for “Protestants like me” because the errors such as Praying to Virgin Mary/Angels/Saints etc. hasn’t fully overpowered the Church making the “later” doctors etc. to be “unreliable” – can you “SEE” it?). Even if NON ELECT SALVATION FOR SOME turns out as an error (not proven but must be considered as a “honest” possibility too), with all these BIGGEST NAMES of CHRISTIANITY quoted, we CANNOT be CONDEMNED as we were HONEST with CHURCH HISTORY QUOTES of “OTHERS” and “NOT SELF-WILLED” – Can you really “see” it?
In the CONTEXT of FINAL PROPHECY (“Future”), it’s okay to NOT understand as even Blessed Prophet Daniel revealed that in Daniel 12:8 despite being one of the greatest prophets of God to walk the earth. However, Let God Decide who more accurate doctrinally and reward that and have Mercy on our errors especially if we admit we are not 100% sure based on orthodox Christian quotes and evidence (not heretics) and did not take His Name in Vain (Exodus 20:7’s 3rd Commandment) nor told falsely “God told me so” which risks “everlasting reproach” (Jeremiah 23:38 – 40) or even wrongly quote “the Holy Spirit told me so” which is “unforgiven” (Matthew 12:30 – 32) – can you see the real dangers/risks as done in Prosperity Gospel here?
Someone said, “… If God wanted it in His Word, He would have put it there in regard to certain books in the Bible …”
My Reply below
If so, please explain why these
1) The “First Bible” (Roman Canon or Muratorian Canon) had both Shepherd of Hermas and Apocalypse of Peter in it where both has NON ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY Quotes but are not in the “Bible today”. Apocalypse of Peter (quotes in Pages 1898 to 1904 or even Pages 1946 to 1966 of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook)
2) The Deuterocanonical are Full Scripture in all Catholic and Orthodox Churches (even councils) at least for 1000 years (6th century to 16th century). So why would GOD ALLOW that (if error) and remove it from the Protestant Reformation timeline onward?
3) Book of Esther was NOT in the Bible canon even in St. Athanasius the Great’s (Champion of Trinity) famous Festal Letter where he specifically mentions Book of “Esther” to be classified the “same level” as “Shepherd of Hermas or Tobit” even as accepted but NOT in Bible Canon. Can you see it? [example proof quote for this is in Page 229 onward of the #DoctrineBook].
Note:
i) Shepherd of Hermas has NON ELECT SALVATION quotes even for those rejecting the Gospel TYPE (From Page 155 or 156 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
ii) Tobit has CHARITY DOCTRINE quote linked to ETERNAL LIFE CONTEXT which is probably quoted by Blessed St. POLYCARP disciple of the Blessed Apostle St. John himself [please see Page 379 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
Conclusion
Whether one is Catholic/Orthodox/Protestant Christian, it shows that the “later” guys did CHANGE the earlier POSITION in regard to which books needs to be in the Bible. If you want to say later guys were more accurate, then praying to Virgin Mary/Saints/Angels is the MOST DOMINANT CHRISTIANITY even till today! (including the 1000 years 6th century to 16th century with NO sola scriptura type since most can’t read & the Guttenberg printing press hasn’t been discovered yet till after 16th century – can you “SEE” what GOD ALLOWED?). So if GOD CAN ALLOW ERROR, it shows HE ALLOWS HUMAN FREE WILL (with constraint) example here with quotes preserved which point to a DIFFERENT FIRST CHRISTIANITY especially even of CHILIASM PROPHECY TIMELINE context as I have shown in my books , right? So the MOST HONEST POSITION is to Guard one’s tongue, present the EVIDENCE with source etc. (no empty claims) and let GOD DECIDE the VERDICT. Peace to you
Father of Pentecostal Christianity – Mr. Charles Parham himself did NOT believe in “eternal hell” through whom the “first speaking in tongues gift was given through him” (if their claims are true) and other interesting thoughts (more details in those pages as the powerpoint only highlights some).
#Charles #Parham #Father of #Pentecostal #Charismatic movement and #First #Speaking in #tongues #gift in #modern times (#if #true) did #not believe in #EternalHell but #Annihilation . #Why would #God NOT #correct him to #believe in #Eternal #Hell if that was #truth if #believing in that #affects #Salvation? .
The Mysterious Conversion of Blessed John Wesley main Founder of the Methodist Churches via a believer in some type of NON ELECT SALVATION namely Mr. Peter Boehler who was his spiritual parent in the Aldesrgate experience
#JohnWesley main #Founder of #Methodist #Arminian #Protestant #Churches #life #experience and #conversion to the #faith just like #Saint #Augustine of #Hippo before him seems to be done via #GOD using a #universalist and/or #NONELECTSALVATION #believer from the #Moravian #Church #Peter #Boehler as his #Spiritual #Parent via the #Aldersgate experience.
Saint Augustine of Hippo himself casually talks about even NON ELECT SALVATION believers and those of possibly universalism too as NOT DENYING HOLY SCRIPTURE meaning he considers them as CHRISTIANS and SAVED too
The Math of Honesty going only as far as GOD allowed MARTIN LUTHER to CONTEMPLATE NON ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY – Sample image from Slide 112 of Powerpoint – Father of the Reformation – Blessed Martin Luther the First Protestant & FOUNDER of the LUTHERAN CHURCHES NEVER called considering NON-ELECT SALVATION THOUGHT as FROM THE DEVIL but said NOBODY CAN PROVE IT (i.e. FAITH attained via believing after seeing at DEATH or AFTER DEATH) but HE DID NOT have ACCESS to DOCTORS of the CHURCH Writings as we do today and also views UNIVERSALISM as IMPOSSIBLE. Quote is [From Page 791 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
Recap: If God has ALLOWED 2 Esdras which is SCRIPTURE for EVERY CATHOLIC & ORTHODOX till TODAY even and at least for 1000 years in every council too from 6th century to 16th century where in PROTESTANT Reformation the KJV Bible moved it as “Apocrypha which means hidden” and Martin Luther First Protestant considers it as “good” but NOT equal to Scripture in Page 1676 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook – So Protestants must admit that GOD ALLOWS errors NOT just in DOCTRINE but even for WHICH BOOK belong to the BIBLE for 1000 years or more? See the problem though possible? So how much more any other doctrine which is believed can be false too since GOD can allow that too, right? For JEWS, they take it as per “their own Verses” in 2 Esdras 14:45–46 RSV; 4 Ezra 12:45–46 as discussed in earlier slides here even], then similarly the idea of say SHEPHERD of HERMAS & Apocalypse of Peter (both APPROVED by FIRST BIBLE CANON called ROMAN CANON or MURATORIAN CANON) contains NON ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY but KEPT SECRET by GOD seems POSSIBLE , right? (please see earlier slides 84 for Shepherd of Hermas & Slide 131 for Apocalypse of Peter & more for page numbers, to see more discussion & details, too much to put here). Again this is to PRESENT EVIDENCE HONESTLY but NOT Doctrine since not sure so let GOD ALONE DECIDE VERDICT.
[From Pages 1898 or 1951 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]
“… the APOCALYPSES also of John and PETER only do WE RECEIVE, though some amongst us will NOT HAVE THIS LATTER READ* in the CHURCH.” …” – Muratorian Cannon regarding the “Apocalypse of Peter” part
“… But HERMAS WROTE THE SHEPHERD “MOST RECENTLY IN OUR TIME “, in the city of Rome, while bishop Pius, his brother, was occupying the chair of the church of the city of Rome. And therefore it ought indeed to be read; but IT CANNOT BE READ PUBLICLY TO THE PEOPLE IN CHURCH either among the Prophets, whose number is complete, or among the Apostles, for it is after their time. …” – Muratorian Canon (Roman Canon, the Oldest Bible Known in Christianity quoting the ‘Shepherd of Hermas’ or the “Shepherd” highlight)
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muratorian_fragment
#NONELECTSALVATION #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by #Scripture in #First #Christianity #Oldest #First #Bible #Canon #Muratorian or #Roman Canon #Catholic with #Shepherd of #Hermas too #Possibility and #not #Doctrine #present #Evidence let #GOD #decide #Verdict #Honesty is #Best #Policy .
Peace to you
POSSIBLE one of 70 Secret Books to the WISE mentioned in 2 Esdras 14:45–46 RSV; 4 Ezra 12:45–46 containing NON ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY – Isn’t it strange that one has name “ENOCH” while the other has name “ELIJAH” which also are usual assumption for FINAL TWO WITNESS before the COMING of CHRIST? (Rev 11:4)
[From Page 1894 and 1888 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]
1) Enoch
This same ‘Book of Parables’ gives a “Believing after Seeing possibility” toward “some sinners” with a ‘Salvation with no honour’ type (and so can’t be a ‘Christian Salvation’ at all and so must be a NON ELECT SALVATION TYPE IF TRUE as please also notice the word ‘holy & elect’ in Verse 1 below in comparison which refers to Christians), to quote:
“… 1 And in those days a change shall take place for the holy and elect, And the light of days shall abide upon them, And glory and honour shall turn to the holy, 2 ON THE DAY OF AFFLICTION on which evil shall have been treasured up against the sinners. And the righteous shall be victorious in the name of the Lord of Spirits: And HE WILL CAUSE THE OTHERS TO WITNESS (this) THAT THEY MAY REPENT And FORGO THE WORKS OF THEIR HANDS. 3 They shall have NO HONOUR through the name of the Lord of Spirits, YET THROUGH HIS NAME SHALL THEY BE SAVED [Joel 2:32, Romans 10:13, Matthew 12:21], And THE LORD OF SPIRITS WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON THEM, For His compassion is great. 4 And He is righteous also in His judgement, And in the presence of His glory unrighteousness also shall not maintain itself: At HIS JUDGEMENT THE UNREPENTANT SHALL PERISH before Him. 5 And FROM HENCEFORTH I will have NO MERCY on them, saith the Lord of Spirits. …” (Book of 1Enoch, Chapter 50)
Source (via Protestant Historian Mr. Philip Schaff again):
https://www.ccel.org/c/charles/otpseudepig/enoch/ENOCH_2.HTM
2) Elijah
Another Possible Candidate for the 70 Hidden Books which 2 Esdras 14:44 – 48 points could be the Apocalypse of Elijah too as POSSIBLE SCRIPTURE with a NON-ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY
“ … 27.Those who belong to the righteous and … will see the sinners and those who persecuted them and those who handed them over to death in their torments.. Then the sinners [ in torment ] will see the place of the righteous. And thus GRACE WILL OCCUR. In THOSE DAYS, that which the RIGHTEOUS will ASK for MANY TIMES WILL BE GIVEN to them. …” – Apocalypse of Elijah (Veses 27 – 29)
Source:
http://www.3-in-1.net/Pseudepigrapha/Apocalypse%20of%20Elijah/The%20Apocalypse%20of%20Elijah.htm
Some Christians ask: How can Salvation from the Lake of Fire be “Fair or Justice” if it is “not” Eternal? GOD lets YOU (CHRISTIAN) Decide.
So, there is NO FORCING of FORGIVENESS required and so as a CHRISTIAN if you see SOMEONE in HELL who have HURT YOU or TORTURED YOU in SOME WAY or DID EVIL to you or even KILLED YOU, you can decide whether to FORGIVE THEM from ETERNAL HELL or not BY PRAYER to GOD AT THAT TIME (if this Prophecy Writing is True) in principle of the Verse below:
“… 21So JESUS SAID to them again, “Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” 22And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23IF YOU FORGIVE THE SINS OF ANY, THEY ARE FORGIVEN THEM; IF YOU RETAIN THE SINS OF ANY, THEY ARE RETAINED.” …” (John 20:21 – 23, NKJV)
#NONELECTSALVATION #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by #Scripture in #First #Christianity #strange that two #final #Witness #Enoch and #Elijah books have this #Possibility and #not #Doctrine #present #Evidence let #GOD #decide #Verdict #Honesty is #Best #Policy .
Peace to you
Special Focus: The Math of Impressing God – Image is Slide 157 from link below. Update: FYI, as of 23 Dec 2023 total slides is 160 currently.
Final Math of Scripture – Is there “Possible” Scripture condemning “Non Elect Salvation or Universalism Believers” to “Eternal Hell”? Case in 2 Esdras of Blessed Prophet Ezra himself. [From Pages 1674 or 1887 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]. Let’s see the 2 Esdras interesting section regarding “Universalism” conversation in POSSIBLE SCRIPTURE now [From Page 1674 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]; I have discussed the usual protestant assumption taught based on “Council of Jamnia” in 1672 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook where you can read “both sides” and decide who is telling it more accurately (or can call for a debate at your local Bible School too, for iron sharpens iron, right? Plus they have PHD too)
So, to agree to the 24 (or 39) Books of the Old Testament is to take this record as True in 2
Esdras which in turn implies in its same sentence the truth of the ’70 hidden/secret books to the wise.
In 2 ESDRAS itself we find Blessed Prophet Ezra who re-created the entire “Lost” Old Testament Cannon via Divine Inspiration asking for “Universalism Hope” few times in this book itself despite being forbid to ask for it with “no” condemnation “nor” loss of rewards but surprisingly was even “ADMIRED BY THE MOST HIGH” for him to ‘plea for the wicked like this making himself lowly like that’ (humility), example Verse:
“… 47 You are a long way from loving my creation more than I do. But YOU HAVE OFTEN ASSOCIATED YOURSELF WITH THE WICKED. Never do so! 48 BUT EVEN IN THIS RESPECT THE MOST HIGH WILL ADMIRE YOU, 49 BECAUSE YOU HAVE HUMBLED YOURSELF, as befits you, and DIDN’T COUNT YOURSELF AMONG THE RIGHTEOUS so that you may be glorified the more. …” (2 Esdras 8:47 – 49, CEB)
Source: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Esdras%208&version=CEB
Most important point as to WHY we too consider NON ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY is EXPLAINED by GOD HIMSELF here in most likely SCRIPTURE of 2 ESDRAS 8:47 – 49 that such a THOUGHT is ADMIRED by GOD HIMSELF! Can you see that instead of calling it heretical or dangerous or that you can be condemned to eternal hell, GOD seems to ADMIRE it as the same NON ELECT SALVATION thought was found in BLESSED PROPHET EZRA himself here. Please see next slide for a possible “Mystery”. We live once and best is to BELIEVE to IMPRESS GOD!
#NONELECTSALVATION #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by #Scripture in #First #Jewish #Christian #Bible #Canon before #Jamnia #Esdras how #God viewed it where #aim is to #lbelieve to #Impress God and not man #Possibility and #not #Doctrine #present #Evidence let #GOD #decide #Verdict #Honesty is #Best #Policy .Peace to you
Possible Logic (the “unsure” part because we cannot say for certain whether “Apocalypse of Ezra” Armenian Version here is part of the “70 Secret Books” which could even include Book of 1Enoch too since Prophet Ezra wrote by DIVINE INSPIRATION as per 2 Esdras 14:45–46 RSV; or 4 Ezra 12:45–46 by re-naming – more details in those pages if keen, too much to write & comment in this summary – but HONESTY is to PRESENT the EVIDENCE & let GOD DECIDE the VERDICT): So after GOD disapproves “full universalism” in 2 ESDRAS 8:47 – 49 (earlier slide) this Armenian “Apocalypse of Ezra” may reveal the POSSIBILITY (not doctrine) that Revelation 22:17 (see last slide) may echo “some” to get NON ELECT SALVATION after the PRAYERS of the ELECT at that FUTURE Time, if GOD Wills it. Please compare below:
[From Page 1889 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]
Ans. For the righteous are prepared rejoicing and light, for sinners darkness and fire.
Ans. WHEN YOU DIE YOU WILL OBTAIN MERCY and REST IF A CHRISTIAN PRAYS OR PERFORMS SOME ACT OF DEVOTION FOR YOU.
Point 6 reveals POSSIBLE NON ELECT SALVATION and Revelation 22 is LAST CHAPTER in the BIBLE where (if this interpretation is true then SPIRIT is GOD, BRIDE is ELECT [Christians] while THIRSTY is NON-ELECT SALVATION [not Christians]):
“… And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely. …” (Revelation 22:17, NKJV)
* Peter Kirby also surveys scholars writing on the questions of Ezra: James Charlesworth writes (The Pseudepigrapha and Modern Research, pp. 117-118): The one extant Armenian manuscript of the Questions of Ezra has not been edited, but parts of it were translated into English by J. Issaverdens (UWOT. Pp. 457-61). The work is Christian, rather late, and apparently influenced by traditions recorded in 1 Enoch, 2 Enoch, the Apocalypse of Abraham, and the Apocalypse of Zosimus. Issaverdens translates six of the questions Ezra asks ‘the Angel of God’; these can be paraphrased as follows: M. E. Stone writes: “There is insufficient evidence to determine whether the writing was originally composed in Armenian or whether it wsa translated into Armenian from another language. Possible arguments based on literary considerations will be adduced in the next section. There seems no clear basis for establishing the date except to say that the writing is a Christian composition clearly based on Jewish models. There is no indication of provenace.”
Image is Slide 158 from link below. Update: FYI, as of 23 Dec 2023 total slides is 160 currently.
#NONELECTSALVATION #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by #Scripture in #First #Jewish #Christian #Armenian #Apocalypse of #Ezra from #Esdras #Possibility and #not #Doctrine #present #Evidence let #GOD #decide #Verdict #Honesty is #Best #Policy .
Peace to you
2 Esdras and NO condemnation for even “Universalism” request by Blessed Prophet Ezra to the MOST HIGH GOD even.
The Math of False Teachers and False Prophets – GOD cannot use say Martin Luther (First Protestant) to ERR on TOPICS which can LEAD one to ETERNAL HELL, right? Example quote here why “NON ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY from SLIDE 105″ is within what the FIRST SPIRIT LED CHRISTIAN Blessed Martin Luther (First Protestant and Founder of Lutheran Churches” has ALLOWED to CONTEMPLATE as a POSSIBILITY (NOT Doctrine) since he says that NONE can PROVE it (but we attempt it because he did NOT have access the CHURCH FATHERS especially 14 out of 18 DOCTORS of the CHURCH type saying some quotes in that direction as proven in previous slides, can you SEE it?) This means contemplating NON ELECT SALVATION like this NEVER makes any Christian a FALSE TEACHER NOR a FALSE PROPHET if held as a POSSIBILITY only and NOT doctrine being HONEST in light of EVIDENCE but yet NOT 100% sure since no one knows how accurate these quotes are preserved EXCEPT GOD as per his own quote here too in image.
“… 9then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment, 10and especially those who walk according to the flesh in the lust of uncleanness and despise authority. They are presumptuous, self-willed. They are not afraid to speak evil of [c]dignitaries, 11whereas angels, who are greater in power and might, do not bring a reviling accusation against them before the Lord. …” (2 Peter 2:9 – 11, NKJV)
Also a person who is “SELF WILLED” would NOT be quoting 14 out of 18 Doctors of the Church before 700 AD say for NON ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY based on any SPIRIT WORLD TYPE OF SALVATION by CHRIST NOR will such a person quote say especially MARTIN LUTHER (Slide 105, First Protestant & Founder of Lutheran Churches) and JOHN WESLEY [in Slide 108, Major Protestant & main Founder of the Methodist Churches] (where before 700 AD is a comfortable timeline as FIRST CHRISTIANITY even for “Protestants like me” because the errors such as Praying to Virgin Mary/Angels/Saints etc. hasn’t fully overpowered the Church making the “later” doctors etc. to be “unreliable” – can you “SEE” it?). Even if NON ELECT SALVATION FOR SOME turns out as an error (not proven but must be considered as a “honest” possibility too), with all these BIGGEST NAMES of CHRISTIANITY quoted, we CANNOT be CONDEMNED as we were HONEST with CHURCH HISTORY QUOTES of “OTHERS” and “NOT SELF-WILLED” – Can you really “see” it?
In the CONTEXT of FINAL PROPHECY (“Future”), it’s okay to NOT understand as even Blessed Prophet Daniel revealed that in Daniel 12:8 despite being one of the greatest prophets of God to walk the earth. However, Let God Decide who more accurate doctrinally and reward that and have Mercy on our errors especially if we admit we are not 100% sure based on orthodox Christian quotes and evidence (not heretics) and did not take His Name in Vain (Exodus 20:7’s 3rd Commandment) nor told falsely “God told me so” which risks “everlasting reproach” (Jeremiah 23:38 – 40) or even wrongly quote “the Holy Spirit told me so” which is “unforgiven” (Matthew 12:30 – 32) – can you see the real dangers/risks as done in Prosperity Gospel here?
Someone said, “… If God wanted it in His Word, He would have put it there in regard to certain books in the Bible …”
My Reply below
If so, please explain why these
1) The “First Bible” (Roman Canon or Muratorian Canon) had both Shepherd of Hermas and Apocalypse of Peter in it where both has NON ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY Quotes but are not in the “Bible today”. Apocalypse of Peter (quotes in Pages 1898 to 1904 or even Pages 1946 to 1966 of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook)
2) The Deuterocanonical are Full Scripture in all Catholic and Orthodox Churches (even councils) at least for 1000 years (6th century to 16th century). So why would GOD ALLOW that (if error) and remove it from the Protestant Reformation timeline onward?
3) Book of Esther was NOT in the Bible canon even in St. Athanasius the Great’s (Champion of Trinity) famous Festal Letter where he specifically mentions Book of “Esther” to be classified the “same level” as “Shepherd of Hermas or Tobit” even as accepted but NOT in Bible Canon. Can you see it? [example proof quote for this is in Page 229 onward of the #DoctrineBook].
Note:
i) Shepherd of Hermas has NON ELECT SALVATION quotes even for those rejecting the Gospel TYPE (From Page 155 or 156 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
ii) Tobit has CHARITY DOCTRINE quote linked to ETERNAL LIFE CONTEXT which is probably quoted by Blessed St. POLYCARP disciple of the Blessed Apostle St. John himself [please see Page 379 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
Conclusion
Whether one is Catholic/Orthodox/Protestant Christian, it shows that the “later” guys did CHANGE the earlier POSITION in regard to which books needs to be in the Bible. If you want to say later guys were more accurate, then praying to Virgin Mary/Saints/Angels is the MOST DOMINANT CHRISTIANITY even till today! (including the 1000 years 6th century to 16th century with NO sola scriptura type since most can’t read & the Guttenberg printing press hasn’t been discovered yet till after 16th century – can you “SEE” what GOD ALLOWED?). So if GOD CAN ALLOW ERROR, it shows HE ALLOWS HUMAN FREE WILL (with constraint) example here with quotes preserved which point to a DIFFERENT FIRST CHRISTIANITY especially even of CHILIASM PROPHECY TIMELINE context as I have shown in my books , right? So the MOST HONEST POSITION is to Guard one’s tongue, present the EVIDENCE with source etc. (no empty claims) and let GOD DECIDE the VERDICT. Peace to you
Update: FYI, as of 22 Dec 2023 total slides is 152 currently.
Powerpoint Slide – Why I wrote the books? An Explanation
Powerpoint Viewer Version (sent in emails) but Posted 7 Dec 2023
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1C3FZh5AFL2aNDy9s7TA0TphwmF7dBbpP/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103161103828141436650&rtpof=true&sd=true
*Any error is mine and if anything turned out accurate it’s by God’s Grace.
#NONELECTSALVATION #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by and #EARLIEST #CHURCH #HISTORY & #ChurchFather from #Orthodox #Catholic #Elect #Salvation #Possibility not #Doctrine . #Purgatory for #Pagan #Unbeliever #Christian #Quotes #MartinLuther #Luther #ProtestantFounder allows contemplation of NON-ELECT SALVATION as DIFFERENT from UNIVERSALISM #Mystery , yes even for #Protestants in support of #Athanasius #Gregory #Nazianzus #Basil #Chrysosthom as the #only four #Great #Greek & #Ambrose #Jerome #Augustine #GregorytheGreat Great #Latin #DoctoroftheChurch .
Did you know? Almost all “Christian cults” DENY the TRINITY
https://prophecywatchers.com/product/cults-and-the-trinity-new-from-ken-johnson/
Who was he?
Blessed St. Gregory Nazianzus, the Second Great Greek Doctor of the Church, also known as Gregory the Theologian or Gregory Nazianzen, Archbishop of Constantinople, Theologian, Doctor of the Church, Great Hierarch, Cappadocian Father, Ecumenical Teacher, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church (c. 329 AD – c. 390 AD)
#NONELECTSALVATION #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by #Scripture in #First #Christianity #Doctor of the #Church #DoctoroftheChurch #Gregory #Nanzianzus #Great #Greek #ChurchFather as #Possibility and #not #Doctrine #present #Evidence let #GOD #decide #Verdict #Honesty is #Best #Policy .
Peace to you
The Math of Orthodoxy with St. Athanasius the Great – his approval of Shepherd of Hermas which has NON ELECT SALVATION quote with his own HADES quote etc. I have shown in slides 87, 84 and 136 can be interesting too from *Powerpoint.
Who was he?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athanasius_of_Alexandria
Blessed St. Athanasius the Great, the First Great Greek Doctor of the Church, the Father of Orthodoxy, Patriarch of Alexandria and Champion of Trinity and Confessor, Coptic Pope, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church (c. 296 AD – c. 373 AD) whom God Used to bring the Doctrine of Trinity Back to Life in Christianity via his famous book titled ‘On the Incarnation’ where this short, dark-skinned Egyptian bishop had plenty of enemies and was exiled five times by four Roman emperors, spending 17 of the 45 years he served as bishop of Alexandria in exile too all for LORD JESUS CHRIST. Now, what a Faith for Christ!,
*Powerpoint Link: Why I wrote the books? An Explanation Powerpoint Viewer Version (sent in emails) but Posted 7 Dec 2023
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1C3FZh5AFL2aNDy9s7TA0TphwmF7dBbpP/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103161103828141436650&rtpof=true&sd=true
*Any error is mine and if anything turned out accurate it’s by God’s Grace.
The Doctrine of TRINITY was HIDDEN by GOD Himself. Please see samples of evidences in FB post COMMENT part in link below:
TQ
#NONELECTSALVATION #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by #Scripture in #First #Christianity #Doctor of the #Church #DoctoroftheChurch #Athanasius the #Great #Greek #ChurchFather as #Possibility and #not #Doctrine #present #Evidence let #GOD #decide #Verdict #Honesty is #Best #Policy with #Trinity #Doctrine #Champion and Father of #Orthodoxy .
Peace to you
Example Explanation of “Non-Elect Salvation” Possibility is as follows:
Saved but not part of the Elect. I think as follows:
1) Elect Salvation (“Heaven”, Christ’s Bride = Christians, overcomers)
2) Non-Elect Salvation (“Final New Earth”, nations that are saved or the thirsty. )
Example Verses in image.
Note: I don’t think ‘all of mankind will be elect or even all saved’ because if so because some seem to be in the Lake of Fire while not all of the nations who are saved mentioned in Revelation 21 seem to “enter heaven” even as there is a “gate” filtering it though they may be on that “Final new earth” only as I have detailed in my free pdfs (can do control + F to find verses or keywords to read more of this “possibility not doctrine” as no one can be 100% sure yet of this future prophecy & which is the right interpretation and so though I present the “evidence”, I guard my tongue and let GOD Alone Decide the Verdict).
*Powerpoint Link: Why I wrote the books? An Explanation Powerpoint Viewer Version (sent in emails) but Posted 7 Dec 2023
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1C3FZh5AFL2aNDy9s7TA0TphwmF7dBbpP/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103161103828141436650&rtpof=true&sd=true
*Any error is mine and if anything turned out accurate it’s by God’s Grace.
#NONELECTSALVATION #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by #Scripture in #First #Christianity #Doctor of the #Church #DoctoroftheChurch #ChurchFather as #Possibility and #not #Doctrine #present #Evidence let #GOD #decide #Verdict #Honesty is #Best #Policy .
Peace to you
Image is slide 161 in *Powerpoint. Evidence Style and Context: I look at 1 Corinthians 4:15 as a PROPHECY for CHURCH FATHERS and if DOCTOR of the CHURCH as BEST (especially before 700 AD, reliable for all Christianity including Protestants like me), I think that’s the most honest position. When reading the “evidences” presented in this Powerpoint, please remember that it “all exists” whether I wrote about them or not (independent of me being a great sinner even) – can you “see” it? Link:
*Powerpoint Link: Why I wrote the books? An Explanation Powerpoint Viewer Version (sent in emails) but Posted 7 Dec 2023
*Any error is mine and if anything turned out accurate it’s by God’s Grace.
#NONELECTSALVATION #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by #Scripture in #First #Christianity #Doctor of the #Church #DoctoroftheChurch #ChurchFathers as #Possibility and #not #Doctrine #present #Evidence let #GOD #decide #Verdict #Honesty is #Best #Policy #Champion of #Orthodoxy and #ChurchHistory.
Peace to you
Both these “#same #quotes” (in image) on which the “#Doctrine of #Trinity” #GOD allowed St. #Athanasius to #defend and bring back into #CHRISTIANITY #AGAINST the #ARIANS in his most famous book “ON the #INCARNATION” is what I have quoted in #Slide 87 of the #Powerpoint as well (i.e. NOT from an obscure or rare source).
*Powerpoint Link: Why I wrote the books? An Explanation Powerpoint Viewer Version (sent in emails) but Posted 7 Dec 2023
*Any error is mine and if anything turned out accurate it’s by God’s Grace.
Image is slide 164 in *Powerpoint. St. Athanasius’ “Catholic” definition included NOT number of converts but same beliefs as himself, right? his famous quote in image. This “#same #quote” (in image) on which the “#Doctrine of #Trinity” #GOD allowed St. #Athanasius to #defend and bring back into #CHRISTIANITY #AGAINST the #ARIANS in his most famous book “ON the #INCARNATION” is what I have quoted in #Slide 87 of the #Powerpoint as well (i.e. NOT from an obscure or rare source).
In comparison, just play ‘what you feel‘ where it does “not” matter if it is accurate or not for Guitar but theology must be carefully thought of and if not sure, must present evidence why.
7 Nov 2017 YouTube “clickable Link”: https://youtu.be/x89ci76EqvU .
#coachjonathanramachandran #jonathanramachandran #thefailedguitarist .
Example TRINITY support SCRIPTURE from OLD TESTAMENT’s GENESIS 19:24’s TWO YHWH’s
[From Page 1555 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]
The two YHWH’s mentioned (one on earth) while the Other YHWH in Heaven in Genesis 19:24 (Verse in image).
Please note that in (Hebrews 13:2), it points Blessed Patriarch Abraham himself being the first person recorded in Holy Scripture to entertain both Christ (Two YHWH-God in Genesis 19:24, the Visible YHWH on Earth in Genesis 18:1) and being together with ‘angels too’ (Genesis 18:2, Genesis 19:1) via “hospitality” unknowingly (i.e. “CHARITY DOCTRINE LIFESTYLE”) as discussed in those pages in greater detail.
Summarized details in comments in this post in link below:
Peace to you
Images are slide 115 & 116 in *Powerpoint. “Present the evidence and let God Alone Decide the Verdict” honesty approach to “First Christianity” quotes especially of the “Doctors of the Church” type Church Fathers & #CHILIASM ones before 700 AD which is an acceptable timeline for all #Trinitarian Christianity be it #Protestant, #RomanCatholic or #Orthodox too.
Image is slide 117 in *Powerpoint.
Image is slide 118 in *Powerpoint.
List of #Songs “The Failed Guitarist” has been involved as of 30 December 2023 either in #Singing, #Lyrics, #Music #Composition, #Rhythm/#Bass/#Lead #Guitar playing or even for #fun etc. #YouTube links below (not in any particular order mixed with both Secular Songs and Christian Songs):
1) Lost Without You
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWht3YTQI48
2) Wish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV2wxspXpTM
3) Example Jamming playing ‘what I feel’ even if ‘not accurate’ using Electric Guitar Solo – Wherever I May Roam Metallica
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x89ci76EqvU
4) Example Jamming with another person live using SweetChildOMine GNR Solo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49RnCHPJOGE
5) Son of God
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P_skke59wQ
6) Nanban
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTZB07NUKNA
7) Jesus in You (Original Song)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YYXlIZY0To
with Jesus in You (Musical solo by Jeshurun Vincent of C4J)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1v8S-aUE-Y
8.) The Answer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJuo4820xgE
9) Home
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLeqXGehlwY
10) Beautiful Reason
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jME5r2awqE
11) Sabthame Melody
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYsamGVPC48
12) Tribute to Agabin Vincent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-_NvTwa0Zk
13) Gaveena – Nova Rock (Official Music Video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaEKJ_jiUpg
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Image is slide 119 in *Powerpoint. #CharityDoctrine as #Fruit of #Mercy unto #Eternal #Life on #JudgmentDay by #Relative #Measure #Bible Verse directly by #Orignal #Apostle and #SolaFide #Preacher #Paul toward #Onesphorus who might even be #dead at time when Apostle Paul wrote this as he is mentioned in “past tense” and his “#household” is mentioned to be greeted while all others who are living are greeted by name which is a different topic as possible “Prayers for the dead” say in [Pages 1197 or 1198 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook] . Present #Evidence and let GOD alone decide #Verdict .
Image is slide 120 in *Powerpoint. #CharityDoctrine as #Fruit of #Mercy unto #Eternal #Life on #JudgmentDay by #Relative #Measure #Bible Verse directly by another #Orignal #Apostle and #Brother of Most Blessed Lord #Jesus #Christ Himself namely Apostle #James for #Judgment #Day #Context where even #Faith without Charity Doctrine type works cannot save he says (specifically mentioned in James 2:13 – 17). No condemnation for preaching the “same as Bible Verses here”. Present #Evidence and let GOD alone decide #Verdict .
Image is slide 166 in *Powerpoint. All sins are NOT the same – Example how GOD Judged Prostitution in the Bible. [This is important because the LAST DAYS are PROPHESIED like SODOM]. 1) GOD JUDGED literal “prostitution” of Israel and also as an analogy for “other sins” (both literal & allegory true at same time) and even a ‘prostituting nation like samaria can appear MORE RIGHTEOUS in comparison’ meaning it’s a RELATIVE MEASURE (e.g. circumstances etc. which only GOD KNOWS) in Ezekiel 16:51 – 52. Verses like Jeremiah 3:11, 13, 22 prove that righteousness is a relative measure.
Image is slide 167 in *Powerpoint. 2) GOD Revealed the “Prostitution Judgment” for Israel both “literally & allegorically” based on SODOM example in EZEKIEL 16 earlier and HINTED on CHARITY DOCTRINE for REMOVAL of “JUDGMENT of SINS” which can be seen with other BIBLE VERSES too as follows So there is a difference in say falling into prostitution less times in number versus more times. Peace to you
#Sodom #Bible #Reveals God’s #Judgment for #Prostitution #Sin in #Ezekiel as #Relative #Measure and #Charity #Doctrine vital for #Mercy of #God as #LastDays #Prophecy is like Sodom .
Image is slide 168 in *Powerpoint. First Christianity quotes (plenty in pdfs) show that reward level for “Marriage” is “thirtyfold”, “widowhood is sixtyfold” and “hundredfold is for virginity”
The closest proofs in the Bible for this is Matthew 19:29’s “Left Wife” context as “unmarried”, 1 Corinthians 7:38’s choice of “unmarried better than marrying” or even Isaiah 56:5’s “Eunuchs better name/inheritance than married in final salvation context prophecy” whose example could be the 144000 (Revelation 14:1 – 5).
In the New Testament, “Prophets” can refer to those “Prophesy” rightly and also “those who interpret Scripture rightly” but need NOT understand all like Prophet Daniel’s case shows (in Daniel 12:8). This is interesting because PROPHETS can be married (Luke 2:36) but yet have higher inheritance than “pastors/bible teachers” as these Verses prove meaning the earlier ‘general clause of thirty, sixty or hundredfold’ for chaste ‘marriage, widowhood or virginity’ respectively does not apply since it’s HARDEST to GET PROPHECY RIGHT (and only GOD can CHOOSE them).
Gifts and calling of God are irrevocable but one cannot be a prophet with even one false prophecy (Romans 11:29) and Prophet Judah fell into Prostitution but is still a prophet as he repented eventually (Devil tempts them much, Genesis 38:15) and Christ is called “Lion of Judah” based on this ‘same Judah’ (Revelation 5:5).
Example discussion in [Page 133 onward of the #LastBook]
Why CHILIASM Church Fathers can be the “Prophets” of New Testament?
“… After them, now the churches are strengthened by faith, having been given the comfort of interpreting the writings of the prophets; which interpreters he called prophets. For the Apostle says: And He also placed in the Church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers and the rest. And in another place he says: Two or three prophets speak, and let others evaluate, and he says: Every woman praying or prophesying without a veiled head defiles her head…”– Blessed St. Victorinus, Bishop of Pettau, the First and Oldest Christian Commentary on the Apocalypse of John or Book of Revelation, Martyr for Christ (c. 303 AD)Source [‘Commentary on the Apocalypse’, circa 3rd Century, Chapter 10, Page 12]:
#Chiliasm #Ireneus #ChurchFathers #ChiliasmChurchFathers #Victorinus #Tertullian #AmbroseofMilan #JustinMartyr #NoProphecyofScriptureisofAnyPrivateInterpretation #ProphetsinChristianity #ChristianProphet #Prophet .
Image is slide 169 in *Powerpoint. 2 Timothy 2:5 warns some “saved” with “no” crowns.
These “Bible Verses” (Sola Scriptura) seem to point that highest “hundredfold” reward is attained in “last day” (7th, 1000 years Millennial Reign during “Resurrection”) for those “leaving” something (wife/unmarried or family or wealth-houses/lands) to fulfill Gospel Commands and “last becomes first” which even virgin rich man lacked charity doctrine for “perfection/hundredfold” even after keeping 10 commandments where it’s “not” for ‘any type of Preaching the Gospel’ but best is ‘working secular & preaching for free’ & some apostles took a believing wife (option, still apostle level but “left everything else” meaning must choose to live “charity doctrine” way or “penniless”) so more “leaving” or “persecution” (be it from other Christians to non-Christians from say job to martyrdom) higher reward too.
Even in “fasting & praying” (highest praying which can even drive out demons), it’s no match if without “Charity Doctrine” & Israel’s priests erred likewise as God sent Prophet Zechariah only after they ‘all’ had been wrong for 70 years (long time) and God gives the analogy of ‘fasting & praying’ for ‘prosperity requests’ as “for yourselves” contrasting Charity Doctrine type as done to Him via the poor. In Parable of Sower, “good ground” is no. of converts (no reward) but “fruit” is “commands understood & acted” which includes New Testament Traditions as “no prophet” level obedience can ignore it.
Image is slide 170 in *Powerpoint. Based on explanations with Bible Verses in Slide 169 different Church Fathers (especially Doctors of the Church type before 700 AD) may have been more accurate in Doctrine than others topic by topic on parts where their quotes differ & here is a quote agreeing to the most likely the BIBLE VERSES where the “VIRGIN Rich Man” who came to CHRIST to learn about PERFECTION who KEPT all TORAH (10 Commandments from the “youth” even) but yet MOST BLESSED LORD JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF Said he lacked ALMSGIVING / CHARITY DOCTRINE so ‘all virginity + 10 commandments too without it LACKS LOVE toward OTHERS in ACTION in CHARITY DOCTRINE’ which is PEREFECTION of GOD in Matthew 19:18 to 21, 29!
“… And all this I say, not to depreciate fasting, God forbid, but rather highly to commend it. But I grieve when other duties being neglected, you think it enough for salvation, having but the last place in the choir of virtue. For the greatest thing is charity, and moderation, and almsgiving; which hits a higher mark even than virginity.…” – St. John Chrysostom, Homily 46, Homilies on the Gospel of St. Matthew
Source:
[From Page 227 onward of the #LastBook]
“… Saint John Chrysostom writes: What was the profit of virginity, when they saw not the Bridegroom? Even when they knocked at the door, they did not obtain; instead, they heard the fearful saying, “Depart, I know you not”. When he said this, nothing else but hell is left, and that intolerable punishment … This Parable was spoken with respect to mercy in almsgiving…It is also that we might learn how close Christ is joined unto virgins that strip themselves of their possessions; for this indeed is virginity. [Homilies on the Gospel of Matthew, Homily LXXVII) …”
Source:
https://saintandrewgoc.org/blog/2017/4/14/the-parable-of-the-ten-virgins-saint-matthew-251-13
He also taught that some are “virgin” in the flesh but a “greater virginity” lies in regard to “finances & almsgiving/Charity Doctrine”, i.e. “Financial Virginity” (except the term is not coined to refer to “Finance for Charity Doctrine against Prosperity”); I think it’s something like no one is perfect either from “sexual thoughts” even among “physically virgin” which can be analogous to “financial virginity” in regard to “lesser or more finance toward Charity Doctrine vs Prosperity likewise” which GOD alone can judge as St. John Chrysostom point this out and I try to present the evidence here with his quotes.
Who was he? Blessed St. John Chrysostom, the Fourth Great Greek Doctor of the Church, Archbishop of Constantinople, one of the Three Holy Hierarchs / Great Hierarch, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church
For Bible Verses, please see Slides 143 to 145 earlier.
#Hundredfold linked to #CharityDoctrine more than even #Virginity or even #fasting with #Prayer with relevant #Torah kept even and #Prophet level #obedience in #New #Testament includes #NewTestament #Traditions too for #Rewards based on #Rules without which some can be #Saved but no #crown .
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Image is Slide 171 in *Powerpoint. Question – I don’t think 2 Tim 2:5 says some will be saved with no crown. I think it’s saying if you don’t play by the rules (i.e. accept salvation by grace through faith) you won’t be victorious at all, meaning not saved. I do believe the Bible clearly teaches about varying rewards in heaven and it does seem that loss for the sake of the gospel increases those rewards. Reply – Salvation is not rules nor games and not by merit but God’s Grace. However, a crown is by merit as even Revelation 3:11 reveals in “heaven” as Bride (revelation 21:9) and nations who are saved (not all mentioned to be kings) nor even enter heaven in Revelation 21:24 – 27 contrasts seems to make the case of “saved but not having crowns” as possible. As usual, I present the evidence and let God Decide the Verdict. Thanks for sharing your views too. Peace 2 u.
*Powerpoint Link: Why I wrote the books? An Explanation Powerpoint Viewer Version (sent in emails) but Posted 7 Dec 2023
*Any error is mine and if anything turned out accurate it’s by God’s Grace.
Peace to you
Image is Slide 172 in *Powerpoint. My view in regard to the highest “Hundredfold” Reward and since I could “not” do “sell all and give to the poor etc. … part” (Matthew 19:21’s PERFECTION/HUNDREDFOLD) I am at peace even if lowest thirtyfold reward level or saved without reward too as GOD already gave OPTION here.
So perhaps even the “married” can possibly attain to the “hundredfold” level reward as per this “First Christianity” quote. The quote seems to speak that the “hundredfold” is attainable by “relative measure” of gift (example Peter’s strength in “faith” vs John’s virginity & innocence maybe another’s “Charity Doctrine” I add etc.). Only God can judge it and ‘more gifts perfected may mean more hundredfold levels (variety)’ of final rewards. An important implication for the “married” is that no need to renounce any marriage for a spouse who is keen on the Gospel Work in some way in life. Conclusion – I guess we cannot worry about whether we are to attain the “hundredfold” level reward as even the Poor Widow (Luke 21:1 – 3 gave more than all even if it could “not” feed any/few compared to the rich as CHRIST Remarked) meaning it’s NOT based on “outward” impact as many faith can be ‘small in relative measure’ of ‘more commands obeyed (including New Testament Traditions) can merit greatest vs least too in heaven or not enter heaven (Matthew 5:17 – 20) and greatest is those who “SERVE” most i.e. CHARITY DOCTRINE giving of GOSPEL & SECULAR things for FREE in RELATIVE MEASURE as CHRIST Taught in Matthew 23:11 (implied) and maybe that’s why CHRIST Said “if you want to be PERFECT (Hundredfold levels), sell what you have give to the POOR and FOLLOW ME (both Charity Doctrine + His Commands). Peace 2 u.
Image is Slide 173 in *Powerpoint. Some may be SAVED and ENTER HEAVEN (but among them itself there is a GRADATION of LEAST vs GREAT) -à His BRIDE. Some may be SAVED in that FINAL NEW EARTH but NEVER ENTER HEAVEN as only the “KINGS of the EARTH” among them ENTER “lowest” heaven the New Jerusalem City which connects to that final new earth & a gate filters them & this is AFTER BOOK of LIFE results are revealed meaning it’s not millennial reign timeline but after final Judgment Day. I present evidence, I could be wrong so let GOD DECIDE. Peace 2 u.
Slide 174 in free Powerpoint CHARITY DOCTRINE and HEAVEN (“Treasures”) LINK & Hearts Revealed & the Great Denial – Part 1 of 2
Can you interpret these NEW TESTAMENT Bible Verses by CHRIST “differently”, you dare? Yes, “all” directly by Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ.
Alms is both the “hardest” and “most beautiful” “action” command by Christ because it’s analogy to Salvation where GOD Gave His ONLY Begotten Son for our sins (where CHRIST is GOD’s ALMS to us for “everything” linked to Salvation) and the value of “Alms or CHARITY DOCTRINE is highest” because CHRIST Commanded it “most” and each time you “give” from “what you have” (Luke 11:41, e.g. KJV, Majority Manuscript) and NOT from “donation” money only etc. since you’re giving “your life” away because that’s what it costs you to “earn that money” in the first place and its value increases in “relative measure” where say if you were “lowly paid” (say compared to others if they had same qualifications & ability as you but only that they were of different race or religion or denomination, “unwritten nepotism” etc.) meaning the GENIUS of GOD is allowing us to CONVERT these “sufferings/unfairness” in life into “ETERNAL Heavenly Reward/Treasure” (e.g. Luke 21:1 – 3’s “poor widow’s giving may “not” have fed “any/many” but is still most & Luke 12:46 – 48 assures us that not only GOD Counts but also JUDGES based on this as “more is given, more is required” while Luke 16:9 parabolically describes CHARITY DOCTRINE LIFESTYLE as LIFESTYLE of a CHRISTIAN as GOD’s WILL & “seeking the Kingdom of God” is INCOMPLETE unless done with ALMS as Luke 12:30 – 35 reveals only when quoted in “FULL“ to keep the “LAMPS lit” even linking it to the “Parable of 5 Wise and 5 Foolish Virgins” as the HOLY SPIRIT Dwells only with those WHO LOVE in ACTION in CHARITY DOCTRINE MOSTLY. Not only that Luke 11:41 reveals ALMS for SANTIFICATION to CLEAN ALL “inside/outside” us & on JUDGMENT DAY in Matthew 25:31 – 46 CHRIST ONLY Asks ALMS in regard to what one did “… When I was hungry, thirsty, naked, homeless etc. …” – I repeat, did you realize that EVERY single BIBLE verse here is by CHRIST DIRECTLY? Selah); too many verses quoted please search online as not enough space here. Church Fathers taught the same as you can see from my free pdfs these parts including Martin Luther. Example in these pages of the #LastBook (image below) .Peace 2 u.
Slide 175 in free Powerpoint CHARITY DOCTRINE and HEAVEN (“Treasures”) LINK & Hearts Revealed & the Great Denial – Part 2 of 2
Money can be hoarded if NOT for “self prosperity enjoyment” (Luke 12:21) of loving earthly things (against 1 John 2:15) and used to finance “CHARITY DOCTRINE LIFESTYLE to give SERVICES of GOSPEL or SECULAR for FREE” (and some part can be donated to Charity depending on whether one is married or not at end of life, modern adaptation) as per Verses mentioned in Slide 174 of Powerpoint earlier even toward ENEMIES (Christ Commanded, Matthew 5:44, Luke 6:27 – 34) even if GIVING/LENDING MONEY to them without getting back (Luke 6:35) without which He Asked “… What credit is there if you love those who love you … or what do you do more than others? …” (Luke 6:32 – 33, Matthew 5:47) and interestingly CHRIST taught all these CHARITY DOCTRINE Commands even toward ENEMIES in “consecutive Verses” above just after warning that only FALSE PROPHETS cannot give THEIR OWN MONEY/SKILLS for FREE toward ENEMIES even as IMPLIED as PART of FIRST CONTEXT/TOPIC taught here in Luke 6:26 itself and is taught to EXCEED the RIGHTEOUSNESS of PHARISEES to ENTER HEAVEN CONTEXT type OBEDIENCE in Matthew 5:20 as both Matthew & Luke record different parts of this SAME Sermon on the Mount by CHRIST). It looks like this type of LOVE in ACTION is what makes the highest “HUNDREDFOLD” heavenly rewards & in this context CHRIST (not me) taught which is GOOD TREE (Luke 6:43 – 45) & which SAYINGS of CHRIST (includes the above) that BUILDS the HOUSE on the ROCK (Luke 6:46 – 49 where in ‘same wordings’ in Matthew 7:20 – 24 with additional details, CHRIST DENIES those only doing “Prophesying, Casting out Demons & Miracles” without all this, implied as “I NEVER KNEW YOU” as “it is Written”; I present the “evidence” found in Scripture, let God Decide). Peace 2 u.
The Math of considering “Doctrinal Possibilities” which does NOT lead to “Hell” even if “wrong”.
[Text] Ah nice Rev. #BillyGraham who by the end of his walk of faith in Christ was open to “Non Elect Salvation Possibility” & “never spoke in tongues but was neutral toward those who do” which is exactly where I find myself in theology as well in these areas as shown in [Page 255 onward of the #LastBook] quoting proofs with further links say in [Page 860/862 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]]. If these possibilities which he considered did not lead him to “eternal hell”, neither will you and it’s possible to be “correct” doctrine which only GOD can DECIDE either way. Peace to you
Slide 176 in free Powerpoint (download in link) – (Text) Some of those thrown in Lake of Fire later or Hades now (Revelation 20:15) could be the “saved by fire” ones which 1 Corinthians 3:15 mentions with “no” reward which both “Church Fathers” too may have pointed in earlier slides, example in Slides 78, 81, 92, 132, 173 etc.
Did you notice that whosoever’s name is in “Book of Life” can ENTER HEAVEN? (Revelation 21:27) where it opens possibility that some of those saved on “final new earth” but NOT enter heaven for example the non-kings (Revelation 21:24 – 26) or the thirsty (Revelation 21:6) whom even the “BRIDE” (Christians call at that ‘future time’, Revelation 22:17) to take the “Water of Life freely could be NON-ELECT Salvation? I am “not” saying this must be it but I present “evidence” and let “God Decide” it in the end.
EVERY CHRISTIAN seems to be in HEAVEN (Hebrews 12:22 – 23, Revelation 3:5, 11, Revelation 21:9 so some of those on Final New Earth could be non-Elect Salvation? Some may be SAVED and ENTER HEAVEN (but among them itself there is a GRADATION of LEAST vs GREAT) -à His BRIDE. Some may be SAVED in that FINAL NEW EARTH but NEVER ENTER HEAVEN as only the “KINGS of the EARTH” among them ENTER “lowest” heaven the New Jerusalem City which connects to that final new earth & a gate filters them & this is AFTER BOOK of LIFE results are revealed meaning it’s not millennial reign timeline but after final Judgment Day. I present evidence, I could be wrong so let GOD DECIDE. Peace 2 u.
[Text] Prayer can be misguided led by “human” desires rather than God’s Will even some “hearing voices in their heads”. However, “Scriptural” reading is 100% God’s Word and so it’s “never” wrong (only our interpretations can be wrong; for that we also must read Church Fathers to Protestant Founders as they’re the best whom God has Chosen and everybody is quoting ‘the Bible says their opinion’. Thus, who is wrong or right, that let GOD Decide but this path is “most honest”). “Understanding” is way more important than even “Speaking in Tongues” type of “Prayer” according to the No. 1 “Speaker in Tongues” Inspired by the Most Blessed Holy Spirit in 1 Corinthians 14:18 – 20 where the idea is “benefitting others” so “Charity Doctrine” is top on the list in “Principle” where don’t forget “Relative Measure” as poor widow gave most CHRIST Said in Luke 21:1 – 3 as GOD sees LABOUR NOT RESULT/NUMBERS. (I am talking about the “Real” type where the modern one I am NOT sure if it’s true or NOT but I do NOT participate in it taking any “risks” as I am neutral since I do NOT know) Peace to you
Example Powerpoint Slide with biggest Church Fathers, Doctors of the Church before 700 AD and Protestant Founders with their quotes and/or their life experiences – Why I wrote the books? An Explanation
*Any error is mine and if anything turned out accurate it’s by God’s Grace only.
Peace to you and Thank you
[Text] Slide 178 in Powerpoint. The Biblical Math of Prayer. Prayer can be misguided led by “human” desires rather than God’s Will even some “hearing voices in their heads”. However, “Scriptural” reading is 100% God’s Word and so it’s “never” wrong (only our interpretations can be wrong; for that we also must read Church Fathers to Protestant Founders as they’re the best whom God has Chosen and everybody is quoting ‘the Bible says their opinion’. Thus, who is wrong or right, that let GOD Decide but this path is “most honest”). “Understanding” is way more important than even “Speaking in Tongues” type of “Prayer” according to the No. 1 “Speaker in Tongues” Inspired by the Most Blessed Holy Spirit in 1 Corinthians 14:18 – 20 where the idea is “benefitting others” so “Charity Doctrine” is top on the list in “Principle” where don’t forget “Relative Measure” as poor widow gave most CHRIST Said in Luke 21:1 – 3 as GOD sees LABOUR NOT RESULT/NUMBERS. (I am talking about the “Real” type where the modern one I am NOT sure if it’s true or NOT but I do NOT participate in it taking any “risks” as I am neutral since I do NOT know) Peace to you
[Text] Slide 177 in Powerpoint. Example Powerpoint Slide with biggest Church Fathers, Doctors of the Church before 700 AD and Protestant Founders with their quotes and/or their life experiences – Why I wrote the books? An Explanation
*Any error is mine and if anything turned out accurate it’s by God’s Grace only.
Peace to you and Thank you
Every Protestant quotes Blessed John “Wycliffe” for doing first “English” translation of Bible (and “… After his death Wycliffe was excommunicated, his body exhumed and burnt. …”) but he himself in his quote here quotes even the “Holy Doctors” of the “Church” (which we quote too before 700 AD) meaning “not” he is prideful to think that “God only told him the right faith or that others could be more accurate”. Thank God. Source for quote (“The Protestant Reformation” Page):
Peace to you
WHY no more free Math Olympiad CLASS?
Question
Hi, i saw you gave free math classes?
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Hi there, not anymore because only the rich were pretending and attending it. So I wrote to local churches and charity organisations to organise it for the real poor/needy, they ignored it except a few pastors or priests tried (which I appreciate) but my part is done as I made my self available by relative measure by God’s Grace. The Bible Warns against giving to the rich which is a curse, Verse: “… One who oppresses the poor to make more for himself, Or gives to the rich, will only come to poverty….” (Proverbs 22:16, NKJV) which only exists for the Masoretic but not Septuagint but yet I am not willing to take any such “risks”. At most, please send a question and if I find free time or am able to solve it, I may send a reply and post it on my free math pages for everyone to see by God’s Grace. Peace to you
*This Bible Verse “curses” in “many dimensions” (example in image).
Which Commands Christ’s Requires us to “Enter Heaven”?
Question
jesus explained, that unless your rightousness surpasses the pharisees you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. if a man teaches against the torah, he has no place in the world to come.
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Oh Christ Actually taught “His Commands” as He never recited the “All of the Torah” but only “Selected” parts and “Extended” (such as Love your enemies etc.) in Matthew 5 to 7 (nothing to be added nor removed by anyone). Simple, right? Most of His Commands are of the “Charity Doctrine” type in that famous “Sermon on the Mount” (Please read it and see; indeed something no “Pharisee” will be able to do to others especially not of same religion nor of same race or even enemies) . If all the Torah need to be kept by Gentile Believers, then Acts 15 and Acts 24 need not be written and discussed as I have shown say in [Pages 43 to 45 onward of the #LastBook] & “obeying things not relevant to us” is considered “tradition of men” which can make even “worship to be not so valuable” as CHRIST Warned in Mark 7:7 – 8 or Matthew 15:9 as even Blessed Apostle St. Paul’s letters meaning only New Testament Commands and Traditions which are “Written” are counted most and which not written we cannot be sure 100% which is true or not. Example discussion of what CHRIST meant by LOVE YOUR ENEMIES with BIBLE VERSES can be seen in [Page 268 or 321 onward of the #LastBook]. Peace to you
A comment to Ponder: A Born Again person will be enabled by God to Keep His New Testament Commands and Traditions (with degree of variations from least to greatest, Matthew 5:17 – 20 teaches this) as many claiming to have “gifts” of “prophecy, casting out demons and miracles” despite “converting many” get “denied from entering heaven context” (in Matthew 7:20 – 23) for not teaching & keeping His Commands (Matthew 7:24 Reveals this context in “consecutive verses”) all “as it is Written”. Peace to you
Image is Slide 179 in Powerpoint*
1) Remember the Rich Man in Hell for not doing the Charity Doctrine to Lazarus as CHRIST DIRECTLY Taught (not via humans) in Luke 16:19 – 31?
2) Another best VERSE is by Apostle St. Paul himself where even in the New Testament he himself explained that ALMS OR CHARITY DOCTRINE is for SANCTIFICATION CONTEXT (“PURIFIED” in temple phrase below which refers to JUDGMENT OF SINS REMOVED CONTEXT throughout OLD TESTAMENT- can you see it?) in Verses below:
“… 17“Now after many years I came to bring ALMS AND OFFERINGS [CHARITY DOCTRINE] to my nation, 18in the midst of which some Jews from Asia FOUND ME PURIFIED IN THE TEMPLE, neither with a mob nor with tumult. …” (Acts 24:17, NKJV)
If Apostle St. Paul the Original Sola Fide (“Faith Alone”) Preacher Taught and did likewise, so can we in this New Testament as it is Written.
3) In fact one of this Tobit Verse literally means “… ALMS Delivers from Death …” spoken by Archangel Raphael itself as I have shown in free pdfs was directly quoted by St. Polycarp who was direct Disciple of Apostle St. John [From Page 379 onward of the #ChiliasmBook].
The Sanctification is a process of cleansing where the only righteous act mentioned TO CLEAN ALL BY CHRIST HIMSELF IS ALMS/CHARITY DOCTRINE in LUKE 11:41 and it’s part of HIS WORD or COMMAND needed by Relative Measure (as the thief on the cross couldn’t do that nor was he baptized even) as even this Verse in Ephesians summarises the Redemption of the Church likewise beautifully to include CLEANSING through WATER (BAPTISM) and HIS WORD (ANY COMMAND and ACCURATE BELIEFS about CHRIST too)
“… just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, 26that He might [g]sanctify and CLEANSE HER WITH THE WASHING OF WATER BY THE WORD 27that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish. …” (Ephesians 5:25 – 27, NKJV)
#LordJesusChrist taught #Charity #CharityDoctrine for #Sanctification with #ApostlePaul even on #JudgmentDay compiled with #ChurchFathers too by #JonathanRamachandran #CoachJonathanRamachandran #AnonymousChristian #CharityDoctrine #FirstChristianity .
[Text] Image is Slide 180 in Powerpoint*
Question
What’s your opinion on this? (Tobit 12:8 – 9 and 1 John 1:7)
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1) Oh I saw this on that FB page; I wrote plenty on this.
Alms removes “Judgment of Sin” as Christ Himself Taught that in Luke 11:41 as “Cleans All” (Sanctification) but it cannot give life or resurrection etc. Implying “Sin” can only be removed by Blood of Christ meaning only Blood of Christ gives life, resurrection and removal of sin.
2) In the 66 Books old Testament, the closest is this Verse (Daniel 4:27) which Prophet Daniel himself taught likewise that “Alms” (Charity) removes Judgment of Sins.
3) CHRIST (not me) calls those who “clean outside” (outward holiness) but WITHOUT ALMS/CHARITY as FOOLS based on KJV also (Majority Text) and based on “what you have” (personal money, skill, possessions and not from other people’s donation money only ) in Luke 11:39 – 41 here as it is Written
4) In fact one of this Tobit Verse literally means “… ALMS Delivers from Death …” spoken by Archangel Raphael itself as I have shown in free pdfs was directly quoted by St. Polycarp who was direct Disciple of Apostle St. John [From Page 379 onward of the #ChiliasmBook].
5) The Sanctification is a process of cleansing where the only righteous act mentioned TO CLEAN ALL BY CHRIST HIMSELF IS ALMS/CHARITY DOCTRINE in LUKE 11:41 and it’s part of HIS WORD or COMMAND needed by Relative Measure (as the thief on the cross couldn’t do that nor was he baptized even) as even this Verse in Ephesians summarises the Redemption of the Church likewise beautifully to include CLEANSING through WATER (BAPTISM) and HIS WORD (ANY COMMAND and ACCURATE BELIEFS about CHRIST too)
“… just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, 26that He might [g]sanctify and CLEANSE HER WITH THE WASHING OF WATER BY THE WORD 27that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish. …” (Ephesians 5:25 – 27, NKJV)
6) Another best VERSE is by Apostle St. Paul himself where even in the New Testament he himself explained that ALMS OR CHARITY DOCTRINE is for SANCTIFICATION CONTEXT (“PURIFIED” in temple phrase below which refers to JUDGMENT OF SINS REMOVED CONTEXT throughout OLD TESTAMENT- can you see it?) in Verses below:
“… 17“Now after many years I came to bring ALMS AND OFFERINGS [CHARITY DOCTRINE] to my nation, 18in the midst of which some Jews from Asia FOUND ME PURIFIED IN THE TEMPLE, neither with a mob nor with tumult. …” (Acts 24:17, NKJV)
If Apostle St. Paul the Original Sola Fide (“Faith Alone”) Preacher Taught and did likewise, so can we in this New Testament as it is Written.
7) A comment to Ponder: A Born Again person will be enabled by God to Keep His New Testament Commands and Traditions (with degree of variations from least to greatest, Matthew 5:17 – 20 teaches this) as many claiming to have “gifts” of “prophecy, casting out demons and miracles” despite “converting many” get “denied from entering heaven context” (in Matthew 7:20 – 23) for not teaching & keeping His Commands (Matthew 7:24 Reveals this context in “consecutive verses”) all “as it is Written”. Peace to you
8.) If someone wants Christ’s Word only on this directly, please notice JUDGMENT DAY Verses in Matthew 25:31 – 46 where CHRIST Himself only Asks what One Did “… when I was Hungry, Thirsty, Naked, Homeless …” which is just ALMS/CHARITY DOCTRINE before REMOVING JUDGMENT OF SINS and letting those who do it (i. e. Those “Surprised Sheep” who ask back “… when did we see you Lord etc. …” to whom He Replies “… when you did to the least of my brethren you did it to me …”) to BE APPLIED HIS BLOOD ONLY AFTER that to ENTER HIS KINGDOM.
Conclusion
All Church Fathers including St. Augustine of Hippo taught similarly with different words only [e.g. from Page 354 onward of the #ChiliasmBook] as i have shown in free pdfs. That’s how I see it too as “it is Written” directly by CHRIST Himself explaining the “Judgment of Sins” with “Alms” before applying HIS BLOOD and SAVING them on JUDGMENT DAY itself in Matthew 25:31 – 46. Last but not least, remember the Rich Man in Hell for not doing the Charity Doctrine to Lazarus as CHRIST DIRECTLY Taught (not via humans) in Luke 16:19 – 31? Peace to you
*Powerpoint Slide – Why I wrote the books? An Explanation link:
*Any error is mine and if anything turned out accurate it’s by God’s Grace only.
Peace to you and Thank you
#LordJesusChrist taught #Charity #CharityDoctrine for #Sanctification with #ApostlePaul even on #JudgmentDay compiled with #ChurchFathers too by #JonathanRamachandran #CoachJonathanRamachandran #AnonymousChristian #CharityDoctrine #FirstChristianity .
Peace to you
Woman whom God Praised.
The BIBLE never praised nor ordained one women priest etc. neither in the Old Testament nor in the New Testament and NOR by CHRIST even. However Scripture has Spoken about the RAREST TYPE of WOMAN to be PRAISED only in PROVERBS 31 which EVERY HYPORCRITICAL so called “EQUALITY/FEMINISM” movements will come to shame if compared simply because GREATNESS is NOT in RECEIVING but GIVING. Confused? EVERY single trait of the MYSTERIOUS WOMAN mentioned in Proverbs 31 is all ABOUT GIVING compared to worldly women who marry or measure life by “what they can receive” which is NOT love but “selfishness” but no special chapter written for men like that in the Bible because universally men work to give generally (there are bad ones too). Please see sample Verses below and such woman is said to “fear God”.
1) This is the RAREST TYPE of WOMAN
2) Nothing is mentioned of “her husband” except that “he will be wise among the elders of the Land”
3) The most important part the BIBLE (not me) repeats in Proverbs 31 is that she gets her “own income” and not a word mentioned about taking “her husband’s money” (and since the Bible repeats this particular trait so many ways and times in this Proverbs 31, this is a TRAIT of a GIVER and SERVANT and CHRIST SAID those who SERVE are GREATEST in Matthew 20:27).
4) Far from the typical worldy prosperity trophy wife (who try to marry rich man to have money), she not only provides her own income in many ways for family (Proverbs 31:13, 15, 24) but also DOES CHARITY DOCTRINE to the POOR and NEEDY (Proverbs 31:20) ANSWERING CHRIST’s FAMOUS REMARK, what benefit is there if you love your own family only which can be inferred by “… 32“But IF YOU LOVE THOSE WHO LOVE YOU, WHAT CREDIT IS THAT TO YOU? …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 6:32, NKJV) “… WHAT DO YOU DO MORE THAN OTHERS? …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 5:47, NKJV) “… 33And IF YOU DO GOOD TO THOSE WHO DO GOOD TO YOU, WHAT CREDIT IS THAT TO YOU? …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 6:33, NKJV)
5) Proverbs 31 ends deservingly that such a women “exceeds all” and “fears God” as she did all this.
6) FEMINISTS always please “women” and NOT GOD against Galatians 1:10. To know GOD’s WILL, we need to see WHAT GOD has PRAISED. Peace to you
#Woman #FearGod either as #housewife who are #lower than #woman with own #income against #ProsperityGospel type #TrophyWife #Proverbs31 No #Wisdom or #Counsel against the #LORD #Greatness is being a #Servant and NOT #leader to be served type.
Revisited – Commenting on other religions
Question
In bible we have so many scientific mistakes so do not relate math teaching to bible
Reply
You don’t need to comment on my religion ya. I don’t believe in commenting on your religion either. In fact, you could just be a Christian from a different denomination say Roman Catholic or Pentecostal who felt some of the posts condemns your beliefs and so may be masquerading with a fake profile of “another religion” to cause “havoc” or some “dislikes” toward “me”. Also, you very well know that some religions don’t even allow people to choose what to believe and if you comment badly on it, they will kill you and so what’s the point of even trying to go for a debate where there is no such freedom? So best is let’s see after we die who was right. Well from your perspective, I am going to burn eternally in your version of hell. So let’s see if it happens on the other side or not. Right here, let’s live and love each other peacefully, fair, right? Peace to you
[From Page 274 onward of the #LastBook]
Who is keen on Biblical Spiritual Warfare?
For those who think ‘sitting down and praying is doing spiritual warfare’, how can you defeat the devil when you yourself are just praying for self-prosperity and also disobey all these Bible Verses? (I am “not” accusing you but also including myself if I do not do it). True Spiritual Warfare involves “debate” but only within Christianity (“no” commenting on other religions or those outside whom God Will judge as these Bible Verses Reveal):
“… I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people; I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world. But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES ….” – apostle Paul (1 Corinthians 5:9 – 13, NASB)
Peace to you
EXAMPLE within CHRISTIANITY Debate with a Roman Catholic
Question 1
Protestant Bibles are full of mistakes. Martin luther made many mistakes while translating the Bible written by the Catholic Church Authority
Reply 1
The Catholic Church doesn’t even believe in Chiliasm Prophecy which is held by earliest and most authoritative fathers of the Church.
Question 2
you dont know the real history of catholic Church. You people listen to lies propagated by the Pastors in the youtube and internet. These brainwashed preachers misguide you for their benefit and you fools command under their instruction.
Reply 2
Please read the free pdf of the #Lastbook. I quoted even the “Roman Catholic Church to say the same history”; you really don’t know your own history (that tells a lot). Here’s an example link [From Pages 306 or 307 onward of the #LastBook]:
Source:
https://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/millennium-and-millenarianism
or this
http://semperaltius.com/millennium.htm
Deleting the source or lying about history will not change history.
Question 3
In the new Testament Jesus himself said that Mother Mary is blessed among all womens. Protestant bibles lack of truth and authenticity.
Reply 3
Christ Also Said that there are people more blessed than Virgin Mary (example Verse in image, Luke 11:27 – 28). Also at least two persons sit on Christ’s Right and Left hand and so if Christ wanted any more mediators it should include them by name which He didn’t give meaning no other mediator other than Him (Mark 10:40).
Question 4
you are miquoting the text
Reply 4
You don’t even have a text (for “Virgin Mary” prayers). Also NO CHILIASM CHURCH Fathers (earliest Prophecy position in Church History) have NO Prayers to Virgin Mary NOR the Saints (Did you know? It would be surprising that “all” of them skipped something if it was important for salvation, right?). Also I did misquote the Verse because here’s a simple logic: If CHRIST has at least 2 people on his left and right hand (Mark 10:40) or some “more blessed than Virgin Mary if they exceed her in obedience”, Luke 11:27 – 28 such as the Blessed Apostles of the Lamb whose names only are written in the Final Heavenly City of God, Revelation 21:14) then CHRIST would have openly SAID to PRAY to them too which HE DID NOT meaning HE is the ONLY MEDIATOR (1 Timothy 2:5; see how I have “Scripture” for each claim?) Peace to you
#Catholic vs #Protestant with #Chiliasm #Church #Fathers with no #Prayers to #VirginMary as #First #Christianity #Prophecy position where they #differ #details can be #debated to see which is more #accurate .
Image is Slide 185 in Powerpoint*. Do number of conversions matter? Roman Catholics is still No. 1 & preserved Scripture etc. Just like history in the past, the Jews preserved Scripture were levite priests (pastors) collected tithes etc. but could NOT even identify NOR believe that LORD JESUS CHRIST is the MESSIAH. History has a tendency of repeating itself.
Some opponents of Christianity say “how can GOD allow Scripture or Church History” to be ‘changed by human will’? Jeremiah 8:8 Says that can happen but there will be preserved Scripture as well because there is gradation of least to greatest even among those who enter heaven (Matthew 5:17 – 20). This means depending on “number of conversions” is NOT a sign of truth.
For example, a single man (Mr. Charles Fox Parham) claimed to SPEAK in TONGUES through his laying of hands on Ms. Agnes Ozman first time around 1900 which converted till around 600 million+ Pentecostals too. So based on numbers, which is it, Catholic or Pentecostal? Catholic is still most but Pentecostal is through “one man’s claims”.
Pentecostals like to mock Catholic History or errors but at the same time few know/teach their own history by the Father of Pentecostalism itself (Mr. Charles Fox Parham) as I have demonstrated with proof (modern times, newspapers published his own statements etc.) for example in [Pages 9, 11, 21, 22 onward of the #LastBook] which leads to more “scary” details, examples:
1) [Page 846 onward of the #ChiliasmBook], Father of Pentecostals Mr. Parham himself(not me) claimed every NON HUMAN LANGUAGE “speaking in tongues” is of the FLESH or DEMONIC especially from the Azusa Street Revival from which say Assemblies of God (AOG Church was born) – so if he is wrong, why would GOD Use such a person in the 1st place who will denounce and cause “confusion”? Is it JUDGMENT?
2) [From Page 875/ 877 onward of the #ChiliasmBook], Father of Pentecostals Mr. Parham sodomized a young Jewish boy, not girl (and confessed that he did not know what he did in a sleep state after the “Speaking in tongues” incident and he became popular & had other uncharged allegations covered up) meaning was the “Holy Spirit” in him? If GOD foreknew he would do all this, aren’t there “holier” Pentecostals around whom God could have used? If such a paedophile can be used by GOD to convert 600 + million Pentecostals today, so what’s the big deal about others used despite sins ?
3) In Academia, only “three Pentecostals” ever won the “Nobel Prize” to date in NON-technical fields (“Peace Prize”) despite 65.4% of Nobel Prize Winners are all NON SPEAKING in TONGUES CHRISTIANS (mixed of Protestants and Roman Catholic + Orthodox). Clickable Link (Proof):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_Nobel_laureates ;
also plenty of atheists to non-Pentecostals are millionaires throughout the world too meaning claiming “money as answered prayer” applies to NON-PENTECOSTALS and NON-CHRISTIANS too so it means NOTHING.
*Powerpoint Slide – Why I wrote the books? An Explanation free ppt link
#Pentecostals #Charismatic #Christianity #Church #History #Parham #Risks proof that #God can use anyone to #convert and number of #conversions is not a measure of #accurate #doctrine even when compared to #Catholics who have even more #money and #converts .
Image is Slide 187 in Powerpoint*. The Math of Marriage & Sincere Decisions of Desires – Original Quote
https://www.facebook.com/share/Mk9BeNA2V6iVqRaQ/?mibextid=xfxF2i
He grew ‘bored of money and attention from models’. Read more: https://trib.al/H1xVzXL
GLORY GLORY MAN UNITED to GLORY TO GOD IN THE HIGHEST!
Comment:
I am “NOT” Roman Catholic but this I admire because to be a “Priest” in their system, “you CANNOT Marry” and this person made that decision after EARNING SO MUCH MONEY even (not to mention all those PRETTY AND SOME GOOD WOMEN there too which he has to give up to become a PRIEST? To do so his “faith in Roman Catholicism” must be strong indeed; how accurate it is, let God Decide but it’s within Matthew 19:29’s LEFT WIFE part for GOSPEL WORK to get HUNDREDFOLD highest HEAVENLY REWARD (out of three harvests of the Gospel namely THIRTYFOLD, SIXTYFOLD vs HUNDREDFOLD levels in Parable of Sower too, Matthew 13:8), e.g. being a PRIEST here but PERSONALLY I DO NOT think I would be able to do that if I HAD ESPECIALLY the FINANCIAL freedom he had). Please remember that “not marrying and staying single or even becoming a pastor” because one could NOT get BIG MONEY NOR PRETTY WIFE or if NO ONE WANTED to MARRY them (which are realities which only GOD KNOWS, we don’t judge but analyze ourselves so that NO FALSE PRETENSE of so called “GIVING UP life for the GOSPEL” when it was last resort or to GAIN PROSPERITY of PRETTY WIFE, MONEY, JOB etc. is NOT what Matthew 19:29 means as it means LEAVING ONE of THOSE THINGS or MORE which all other “HUMANKIND DESIRE MOST too” hence RENUNCIATION for these gains HUNDREDFOLD if rightly done as CHRIST TAUGHT, see Luke 14:33 too and that’s why the “12” (no 13th) Blessed Apostles of the Lamb have their names in the Final City of God as GOD LOVES their FAITHFULNESS in Revelation 21:14 or the 144000 Virgins Revelation 14:1 – 5). CHRIST Taught CHARITY DOCTRINE for ETERNAL LIFE in Luke 10:25 – 37. Honesty is best policy.
*Powerpoint Slide – Why I wrote the books? An Explanation free ppt link
I am NOT #RomanCatholic but I love the #Catholic #Chiliasm #Fathers who had NO #Prayers to #VirginMary meaning I am #Protestant like them too but this #Marriage #Abstinence by #Choice (not mandatory) be it for being a #Priest or #Pastor or just to #GIVE more in #Gospel #Work say #Charity via #Finance etc. is something #CHRIST mentioned in #Matthew1929 and I fall short but #Admire those who do it like the #Blessed #Fathers of the #Church where in comparison plenty of those in power in history #marry the #preitiest #women for themselves (even more than #1Wife and there is NO WIVES or #SEX in #HEAVEN for #CHRISTIANITY so it’s REALLY GIVING UP & not some silly pretense or #DIRTY DOCTRINES as CHRIST Taught in Luke 20:34 – 36 in the #RESURRECTION) .
Image is Slide 188 in Powerpoint*. Hidden logics behind the CHARITY DOCTRINE by LORD JESUS CHRIST
Question
How about earning 500k and donate all the money to charity..Does that more countable compared to being priest? Whats ur opinion about this statement
Reply
Good you brought it up. This can be seen across few dimensions of thought as follows:
1) Letting go of RM500k is same as giving it all to charity as well. Can you see it? Let me make it clear: If someone did “not” take the “charity” job, the RM 500k has no one to manage it, right? Priest job is like that (supposed to be in theory).
2) The reward is based on “relative measure” where by not earning that RM 500k itself is a “suffering of letting go” even “giving another person a chance to earn that RM 500k” meaning the ‘new person who earns RM 500k’ only has to answer your question whether or not to give it all to charity.
3) Relative measure also means for example even if you earn RM 50k he can ask you back, why “not” you give RM 50k all to Charity? Since you don’t do it either, he still has the upper hand of serving as a priest and possibly gave more by relative measure.
4) The reason why CHRIST Asked the Rich Man to “sell all and give to the poor” (Matthew 19:21) instead of him doing business and giving to the poor is because “living like the poor makes them equal to suffer like the poor (a priest lifestyle is like that)” and also “not exploiting the poor to work for you in lower salary etc. which every business has this sin in some measure”. This means if you continue working for RM 500k (sports industry is overly priced, exploits the addictions of people to earn money via merchandise or TV & games, makes them drunk, makes them gamble etc.) your “earning” money comes from all these which are “sin” in some way because “sin is something GOD won’t do or that is against what He has Commanded for men” (common sense will reveal that).
5) Atheists like to ask why God never directly solve poverty. Simple: “free will”. Remember that GOD did NOT even stop the “atheist” from having babies or exploiting the poor for their “prosperity” via racial advantage etc. meaning GOD Will judge at the end of the world only. For example you should condemn say a mother in a poor country having starving children meaning WHY MARRY & BREED and make CHILDREN SUFFER so that SOMEONE can TAKE CARE of YOU in YOUR OLD AGE? (SELFISH) GOD did NOT ask you to GIVE BIRTH (it’s a CHOICE) (unless she had a stable income & it vanished due to “bad” circumstance then Charity Doctrine helps it fairly).
6) Western societies became rational faster for example like silly “Helen of Troy” story in Greek myths of making the participants like “god” where their god does NOT solve hunger/poverty etc. but only gets born to have SEX with WOMEN for MARRIAGE & fight wars. Can you see the SILLINESS? The REAL GOD does NOT have “sex” with “anything” (on earth nor in heaven) and as CHRIST (GOD in FLESH) lived in absolute RENUNCIATION so is FREE from ANY MONEY SIN on earth and DIED for the SIN of the WORLD (Selfless) and was “GOD Who became MAN” and not “man who tried to become god”.
CHRIST Taught CHARITY DOCTRINE for ETERNAL LIFE in Luke 10:25 – 37 in this Parable of the Good Samaritan. Peace to you
*Powerpoint Slide – Why I wrote the books? An Explanation free ppt link
#Most #Blessed #LORD #JESUS #CHRIST #Commanded #CHARITY #DOCTRINE for #ETERNAL #LIFE in the #PARABLE of the #GOOD #SAMARITAN in #Luke 10:25 – 37.
[Text] BIBLICAL KINGS do NOT “Grab ALL money and WOMEN” if they are really kings.
“… and there were kings among men …”
Source Post:
Example RULES for a BIBLICAL KING (quoting Old Testament examples where some of Israel’s kings “broke” these rules shows man’s disobedience but yet the LAW of GOD remains PERFECT – can we follow it?)
1) In the TORAH (Deuteronomy 17:17), KINGs were supposed to have only 1 Wife and cannot have MUCH MONEY – how much is too much? you decide where basically anything beyond need is dangerous in “relative measure” and best to give it directly or via will to CHARITY (rules which CHRIST in New Testament Scripture agrees)
2) KINGS cannot have “POLYGAMY of many wives” (Proverbs 31:3) and “cannot drink alcohol” (Proverbs 31:4) and must do “CHARITY DOCTRINE to the poor and needy” (Proverbs 31:9) was reiterated to KING LEMUEL (Solomon/Hezekiah?) via his mother
3) CHRISTIANS who FOLLOW CHRIST (New Testament Verses say the same, please read free pdfs*) become ETERNAL KINGS in HIS KINGDOM of HEAVEN as Revelation 1:6 etc. PROPHESIES – Fair, right? (If you want it, please believe in CHRIST and follow HIS NEW TESTAMENT COMMANDS – TIME is still there to REPENT and BELIEVE the GOSPEL NOW!)
#Lord #Jesus #Christ as #KINGofkings so there are #eternal #kings in #heaven in His #KINGdom whom HE Appoints after the #Resurrection .
*Powerpoint free pdf link at 2nd last slide
Peace to you
[Slide 191 in Powerpoint]. The Math of God’s Will in Finance – Well money is most people’s favourite topic, isn’t it? Why is this important? Does LORD JESUS CHRIST “KNOW” us?
Please notice carefully that CHRIST “KNEW” the “Charity Doctrine Sheep” of Matthew 25:31 – 46 even though they may “not” know the “Lord fully” as they ask back ” “… When did we see you Lord? …” who did “Charity Doctrine to Christians (opening up even NON-Elect Salvation Possibility as even the Parable of Good Samaritan (Samaritan are generally unbelievers who did the CHARITY DOCTRINE to the “wounded JEW” in Luke 10:25 – 37 breaking RACIAL/RELIGION Barrier & Christians are real “spiritual jews”) which is difficult to decide its accurate meaning so LET GOD DECIDE and we present the EVIDENCE as per Slide 188 earlier NOT as “KINGS and PRIESTS or BRIDE which are CHRISTIANS” (e.g. Revelation 1:6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 22:17, Revelation 21:9) but as “regular nations of those saved in that FINAL New Earth after Judgment Day/Book of Life results are revealed (Revelation 21:24 – 27) or thirsty who get the Water of Life Freely (Revelation 21:6, Revelation 22:17) as CHRIST Replied here that “… When you did to the least of My Brethren when they were HUNGRY/THIRSTY/NAKED/HOMELESS YOU DID it TO ME!” Proving WILL of GOD in FINANCE as CHARITY DOCTRINE in Matthew 25:31 – 46 compared to”… casting out demons, Prophesying and doing Miracles …” whom CHRIST DENIES has I NEVER KNEW you in (Matthew 7:20 – 23 for ignoring HIS SAYINGS (New Testament Commands and Traditions as Revealed in consecutive verse context in Matthew 7:24).
Not all sold what they had because one still had to live in houses and earn with lands. So the aim after the #REAL #PENTECOST (#Acts 2) was #CHARITY #DOCTRINE as the MOST Blessed Holy Spirit of God led them do #SHARE and #LIVE together (It proves the #need concept in #NewTestament against #Prosperity yet again). Bible Verses (not opinions of men below): [Please see Page 172 onward of the #DoctrineBook].
How many #Sola #Scriptura (#ScriptureAlone) adherents have a #Doctrine for such #CharityDoctrine #living via their #Church #Finances or if not via #Personal #Possessions or #income in some little way at least? (People like the #Bible part when they need to do #nothing especially #financially but #hate #God’sWill for #Money; let each examine their own life & how much money/possessions/skill/time they have spent on #CharityDoctrine without being #paid (i.e. without #salary or without #income as per this First Spirit-Filled New Testament Church in the Bible).
[Please see *PowerPoint Slides 143 to 145* too to see how GOD JUDGES FAITHFULNESS based on CHARITY DOCTRINE as CHRIST Taught Parabolically in Luke 16:10 – 12]; Let us remember that CHRIST Wrote His Love Story to Mankind with HIS BLOOD and the Apostles, Prophets and the “Church Fathers” followed likewise by “Relative Measure” given.
*Powerpoint free pdf link at 2nd last slide
Peace to you
Image is Slide 192 in Powerpoint*. Conclusion – Some branches of Christianity are more accurate on some parts of doctrine than others – Let GOD Alone Judge while we present the EVIDENCE.
Whenever you see someone you “admire” as “great” please remember that the GREATEST ONE MOST BLESSED LORD JESUS CHRIST CREATED them meaning HE (God in Flesh Alone) CREATED the GREATNESS in them even if they do NOT acknowledge NOR know HIM as the famous BIBLICAL Case say of “Cyrus the Great, King of Persia” (the ‘only unbelieving Gentile ever called also as the ‘messiah’ (‘anointed one title’) in Isaiah 45:1 as I have discussed in [From Pages 959, 961, 1027, 1206, 2042 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook].
Please remember that if we don’t acknowledge GOD’s GREATNESS it does NOT affect HIM at all but only “reflects back on us” in the “final Judgment”, fair, right?
Note: I know some #Christians totally #disapprove anything from “#Bethel #Christianity”. Well, I do #NOT agree to their “#ProsperityGospel nor some of their other #practices” but some of their #Worship is Great (even if they #sell it that’s their choice well at least this #YouTube version is #free)! Similarly, I #personally think #GOD #Rewards & #Judges based on their #MERIT and #ERRORS so no one is #perfect either.
Context? Please notice that ALL Verses in image are from “Revelation Chapter 4” so they are connected. Thank you for pointing to this Worship song using Revelation 4:4,10 titled Worthy of it all – by Kelly Heiligenthal (Clickable Link):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=BgwVf-Xm4fE
“… 1After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. … 9Whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to Him who sits on the throne, who lives forever and ever, 10the twenty-four elders fall down before Him who sits on the throne and worship Him who lives forever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying: 11“You are worthy, [g]O Lord,
To receive glory and honor and power; For You created all things,
And by Your will they [h]exist and were created.” … (Revelation 4:1, 9 – 11, NKJV)
*Powerpoint free pdf link at 2nd last slide
Peace to you
“Freely Give” (Matthew 10:8) is part of “Kingdom of Heaven” message as Lord #Jesus #Said. #Love the “#Teach others” (#CharityDoctrine if #unpaid / #free or teach beyond the #pay #level or #lowly paid in #relative measure when compared against others who teach lesser skill level or equal but more highly paid) as MOST BLESSED LORD #Jesus #Christ Taught in the #Gospels as “freely you have received freely give [Matthew 10:8] & be like a servant which underlines lower pay part etc. in Matthew 23:11, Luke 22:26 for #Heavenly #Reward #Context” which is “90% #Active part” in image. Finally a #pedagogy #research which #reiterated this #truth. #Thank you for #sharing . Please see Slides 191 or even Slides 143 to 145 in *Powerpoint too for more of “Christ’s Words” for “Charity Doctrine” part too.
*Powerpoint free pdf link at 2nd last slide
Peace to you
Image is Slide 193 in Powerpoint*. (God in Flesh, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ Alone) CREATED the GREATNESS in them even if they do NOT acknowledge NOR know HIM as the famous BIBLICAL Case say of “Cyrus the Great, King of Persia” (the ‘only unbelieving Gentile ever called also as the ‘messiah’ (‘anointed one title’) in Isaiah 45:1 as I have discussed in [From Pages 959, 961, 1027, 1206, 2042 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]. Please notice that GOD used Prophet Isaiah himself to prophesy the coming of “Cyrus the Great” here in Isaiah 45:1 by name about 150 years BEFORE it happened!
Notice that “Cyrus” example to NON ELECT SALVATION link is “POSSIBLE” as discussed in those aforementioned pages here because everything in the BIBLE is a TYPE for CHRIST the REAL MESSIAH and “Cyrus the Great as the only UNBELIEVING Gentile called that AnointedOne/Messiah title ” is particularly interesting because GOD used CYRUS the GREAT for the Jews to rebuild the Temple as 2 Chronicles 36:23 and Ezra 6:3 – 5 reveals & Cyrus the Great is one of the FIRST to ALLOW multi religious practice in his reign (giving free will based on choosing their religion and Isaiah 45:1 SAYS YHWH (Most Blessed GOD) HIMSELF is the ONE working through Cyrus to do this FIRST UNIQUE EDICT of HUMAN RIGHTS in HISTORY, interesting, right? Whether or not NON ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY is true or not I don’t know but as usual I present the EVIDENCE honestly.
Image is Slide 194 in Powerpoint*. My simple response to Pentecostal experiences claims is this: ‘… Ask any Christian from Roman Catholic to Orthodox to Reformed to Pentecostal and they will all have some “personal” testimony in regard to how they lived in sin earlier and now they came out of it by God’s Grace and believed in the Gospel (some will even tell you how they became rich after becoming a Christian too which is the most unreliable type of testimony as CHRIST never promised that and even unbelievers to atheists are richer than them but the real fruit to focus is OBEDIENCE to HIS COMMANDS (Matthew 7:24) …’ (some loaded with supernatural encounters or healings too, me included). The difference is I know GOD’s MERCY is different from DOCTRINAL ACCURACY because the HIS MERCY can HEAL us even if we are WRONG THEOLOGICALLY but with SOME level of FAITH-ACCURACY as CHRIST Healed many like those in the Gospels itself. Only a SELF ABSORBED person will be able to FALLACIOUSLY think that their HEALING/BETTERMENT of life financially or in any way is due to their “faith” as even in the topic of money CHRIST SAID clearly DO NOT store TREASURE on earth in Matthew 6:19 but rather convert it to TRESURE in HEAVEN as Luke 12:30 – 34 REVEALS the details (meaning it’s NEVER HIS WILL for EARTHLY PROSPERITY) in NEW TESTAMENT times and so NO point in quoting OBSELETE Old Testament examples (Acts 17:30) so if we cannot give money can share “what you have” (possessions, skills, etc. as Luke 11:41 reveals).
Spiritual experiences does not necessarily mean it’s correct though real like for example the Mormon founder most likely did meet some supernatural being but it’s certainly a Devil and note that Mormons did the “non-human language” speaking in tongues even “before the pentecostal movement” and this is the scariest part: If I played a “speaking in tongues” audio from a “Mormon or other obvious ‘christian-cults'” even in a Pentecostal Church and I did “lie” to them saying this is from another “born again church” and ask them to speak in tongues together with it, I am pretty sure all of them would “not” even know it meaning it’s too risky and I don’t need to judge but not participate in these things which doesn’t affect nor edify my faith in any way. Please remember that my deceased mother was a speaking in tongues born again pentecostal and so I have no “bias” in these things but I don’t risk myself. If the pentecostal speaking in tongues turned out to be real by ‘some’, let God Reward it and have Mercy on whomever He Wills if it was all the “flesh” or even worse from the “devil” as the case of “Mormons” seem to point. Peace to you
Best is #GOD Used #King #Cyrus the #Great of #Persia to #REBUILD #Israel‘s #Temple in the past and set it free from ITS #OPPRESSORS and also CYRUS #FREED many #SLAVES and #OPPRESSED #PEOPLE ruled by #OTHER #UNJUST KINGS with NO #HUMAN #RIGHTS etc. the #CHARITY #DOCTRINE WAY of #NO #PRICE #NOR #REWARD (as #Isaiah 45:15 Reveals).
Image is Slide 196 in Powerpoint*. The Most Blessed One, GOD of Himself called “Cyrus the Great, King of Persia” as both a TYPE of His “Messiah/Anointed” and also “Shepherd” (which in Greek literally means “Pastor” too) even though “Cyrus” died a “Pagan Unbeliever” despite encounter with “Jews and Judaism etc.” which he could have converted or GOD could have made Cyrus a proselyte in Judaism (e.g. (Isaiah 56:3; Nehemiah 10:28; Esther 8:17, Exodus 12:48; 20:10; 22:21, Acts 2:11, Acts 13:43, Acts 6:5) but GOD DID NOT to show the POWER of HIS SOVEREIGNTY as Isaiah Chapters 44 and 45 Reveals (and also there were plenty of ‘God-Fearing Jews’ even in that time but GOD did NOT use any of them for this). Can you “see” it? So is he in hell? Let GOD Decide but I present the evidence and an important highlight is “how GOD used Cyrus without even the latter knowing him (see previous Slides 192 & 193) even in the CHARITY DOCTRINE WAY which is all POINTING to the REAL MESSIAH MOST BLESSED LORD JESUS CHRIST as HE GAVE HIMSELF UP for NO PRICE NOR REWARD (since HE IS GOD even before the Incarnation, Death and Resurrection) meaning HE GAINED nothing extra but CHOSE to LOVE FREELY and SUFFER the CROSS for the SIN of the WHOLE WORLD!
Image is Slide 197 in Powerpoint*. One final lesson on using “Christian Discoveries” but discriminating Christians in places where they are scarce. 1) Most modern discoveries in the world are by Christians especially from the Western World from the phone you use to the car you drive (petrol even) and machineries, computer systems etc. without which one cannot even earn a living. Please remember that other countries “copied” Christian discoveries and modified and made it their own for the most part. Little are original significant discoveries by others even in technology.
2) For example, in your local university (where knowledge is taught), look at the “textbooks”. Even if a person from your country wrote it, if you back in time you will see that he probably just “copied” the “content” from Christian Textbook authours before him. Like in Math or Science, just do a rough survey regarding how many “theorems” are discovered by your people vs Christians? It would be obvious.
3) Whether one acknowledges it or not, every day your people are earning by using these “Christian” discoveries from the car, motorcycle, computer stuff, textbooks at universities (or schools translated or copied content wise & modified even the original theorems and discoveries in science), not to forget the technological advancements used in machinery & scale productions without which one cannot even make a dime for a living which feeds your family to the money used even to build non-Christian religious places but using Christian discovered technology (from software to machineries and engines – can you see it? Not to forget the best music technologies too)
4) Example problem I faced in Math teaching: Say if you got some unique qualifications in Math (say Olympiad) but when you apply to do competition classes (not just in government schools but also in private schools or even money-grants/projects, they don’t take you) but rather give to people with “no” competition achievements or with those “lower qualifications” and so we speak up against it. Greed makes people in position of power or majority or both to ‘grab things which they don’t deserve’. I have no problem if better Math Olympians earn it but only if they teach it. I have heard in foreign countries even a person qualified for the Olympics in sports and failed gets easily to become “head of department” in such “Schools” for say “athletics” or even “the Math department”. However in some countries, they don’t even hire you. However greater the discrimination as CHRIST taught “persecuted for righteousness” (salary and opportunity wise included) merits greater rewards in the “kingdom of Heaven” in Matthew 5:10. Best is persecuted from job etc. because you spoke out for the GOSPEL and CHRISTIAN facts like this (not commenting on other religions but pointing to the merit of ours) as all these increases heavenly rewards. So similarly those who discriminate Christians with “no” Christian-Faith-Work-Merits DO NOT enter HEAVEN, fair, right?
Image is Slide 198 in Powerpoint*. NOT all Sins are the Same – Sexual Sin Example Bible Verses Survey and how to bear FRUITS WORTHY of REPENTANCE?
There is no Law prohibiting a person with “sexual sin past be it prostitutes or even adultery” to marry if he/her “never” married before. However, repentance and faithfulness is required even more strictly after marriage because the sins take higher judgment level (for example “adultery done while married” is breaking a 10 commandment (Exodus 20:14) whose judgment in the Old Testament was being “stoned to death” indicating its seriousness [Leviticus 20:10, Deuteronomy 22:22] while “fornication say with prostitutes whilst being unmarried” is breaking not a 10 commandment and hence “is not put to death” as various cases are considered say in Leviticus 19:20, Leviticus 19:29, Deuteronomy 22:28 – 29, Exodus 22:16 – 17.
Example scholarly writing agreeing with what I said above with highlight on the “prostitution” sin classes part:
“… The Old Testament. Common Prostitution. While the law forbids parents from forcing daughters into prostitution, there is no penalty attached ( Lev 19:29 ). In one case there is a penalty: If a woman has been betrothed to a man and he discovers that she is not a virgin, she may be stoned to death for prostituting herself ( Deut 22:13-21 ). These two passages lead some scholars to conclude that when two adults, neither of which was betrothed or married, consented to have sex, it was not considered a very serious crime, because no sanctions were expressed. However, before the Mosaic Law, burning was the penalty in one instance ( Gen 38:24 ). Perhaps Israelite society, like modern ones, tolerated a certain amount of prostitution, but it was clearly immoral and the sages sternly warned against it ( Prov 23:27 ; 29:3 ). Priests were held to a higher standard than non-priests for they could not marry harlots, although again, there was no specified punishment for doing so ( Leviticus 21:7 Leviticus 21:14 ). A priest’s daughter, on the other hand, could be burned for harlotry ( Lev 21:9 ); the intent of this was to keep the priestly line pure. … The New Testament. Jesus pointed out that harlots and tax collectors were quicker to repent, believe, and enter the kingdom of God than the proud religious leaders ( Matt 21:28-32 ). The prodigal son, who apparently wasted his inheritance on harlots ( Luke 15:13 Luke 15:30 ), was welcomed home when he repented (vv. 20-24). Paul warns against immorality, because he who sleeps with a prostitute becomes one with her, which is not fitting for the believer, who belongs to Christ ( 1 Cor 6:15-20 ). …”
Source: https://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/prostitution/
How to Repent?
(we take it principle of the “level of sin”, not all sin is the same as the “judgment is different and GOD Himself teaches in Verses here” where in the New Testament we do NOT stone anyone as CHRIST Taught in JOHN 8:10 – 11 but must bear “fruits worthy of repentance” in Luke 3:8 – 10 which includes CHARITY DOCTRINE first in Luke 3:11, to be CLEAN as possible from MONEY/INCOME SINS Luke 3:12 – 13 and DO NOT do EVIL & NO PROSPERITY DESIRE for MORE INCOME but be CONTENT with WHATEVER INCOME whether FAIR or NOT in Luke 3:14 as the “Real Fore-Runner for CHRIST’s ONLY “Sermon” recorded in the Bible Reveals).
Pentecostal such as #AOG versus #Reformed #Churches
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Last year in 2023, a friend from a local #Pentecostal church sent me the following where he was only confused about one part namely why his #AssembliesofGod or AOG Church called the “Reformed” Church (#CERC) founded by Blessed #JohnCalvin a #cult too?
Here’s one missed response I just recently thought of: Did you know that EVERY PENTECOSTAL #CHRISTIAN‘s #FAVOURITE #USA #PRESIDENTIAL #CANDIDATE #BILLIONAIRE Mr. #Donald #Trump is NOT Pentecostal but is from that #SAME REFORMED CHURCH (By Blessed John Calvin) which they call as a CULT? So #WHY support him then if he’s from a cult?
Example Proof Quote:
“… Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump told reporters Thursday that he attends a church in Manhattan, but the church released a statement saying the real estate developer is not an “active member.” “I am Presbyterian Protestant. I go to Marble Collegiate Church,” he told reporters in Greenville, S.C. Marble Collegiate Church was founded in 1628 and is one of the oldest continuous Protestant denominations in the country. The church is part of the Reformed Church in America denomination and is on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan. …” Source:
https://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/28/politics/donald-trump-church-member/index.html
I suggest further that next time they should #invite their #oppositions too for a “fair #debate live” (no preparation nothing if they are really #pastors as per #New #Testament style). #Peace to you
Image is Slide 199 in Powerpoint*. There are cults in Christianity (which deny Trinity to claims of new revelations etc.) but we should not simply label as we like especially NOT the REFORMED CHURCHES founded by Blessed JOHN CALVIN because they follow New Testament Traditions as it is Written more than other protestants as I know so I admire their faithfulness and quoted Calvin in my pdfs
This Verse in Luke 21:14 – 15 Reveals that CHRISTIANS DO NOT prepare for a DEBATE and is ON the SPOT. Claiming to hear from GOD directly but don’t even know half the Bible Verses or how GOD taught through say Protestant Founders such as Blessed Martin Luther, Blessed John Calvin and Blessed John Wesley as I showed in #DoctrineBook does not sound safe as some Pentecostals do. Best is by GOD’s GRACE I even showed in earlier powerpoint slides here and especially the first pages of the #LastBook how considering even NON ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY (not doctrine) as not sure is within the CHURCH FATHER QUOTES, most IMPORTANT DOCTORS of the CHURCH before 700 AD quotes including St. Augustine of Hippo and even Blessed Martin Luther and Blessed John Wesley too.
Image is Slide 200 in Powerpoint*. Biblical Secrets of Marriage – Serve GOD together and LOVE each other as oneself is Rule No. 1 but yet there is no guarantee as even Blessed John Wesley Founder of Methodist case here shows. The most intriguing secret is this: the SONG of SONGS is the only book in the BIBLE which allegorically describes the GREATEST LOVE of CHRIST and HIS BRIDE the CHURCH in ANALOGY of the PERFECT earthly HUSBAND and WIFE love between KING SOLOMON and SHULAMITE. Now what is so weird about it is that so many prophets and holier more faithful men are there BUT YET GOD CHOSE KING SOLOMON who “not” only had 700 wives + 300 concubines falling in sin see 1 Kings 11:3 even in possible HARLOTS (“HAREM” type) as Ecclesiastes 2:8 reveals TO DESCRIBE the TRUE LOVE between CHRIST and HIS CHURCH? I can only think of one reason: KING SOLOMON’s LOVE for the SCHULAMITE must have been REAL and GREAT if not SCRIPTURE would NOT be WRITTEN based on their love story, right? This means those with “bad” pasts have also HOPE to LOVE in MARRIAGE TRULY but only with GOD’s GRACE in CHRIST, right? Well if Scripture gives such hope, GOD is ABLE, right?
#Instrumental #Guitar playing with #Gospel #thoughts even with #secular #music example.
I’m with you – #Avril #Lavigne (#Freestyle #Guitar #Jamming)
#YouTube Link: https://youtu.be/6Qj15dtPqvs
All #Guitars (#rhythm, #bass, #lead) by #JonathanRamachandran
*Part of Image is Slide 192 in #free Gospel #Powerpoint in link below:
Thank you for downloading and peace to you!
Wherever there is a difference, there is error.
Blessed St. Justin of Rome (St. Justin Martyr) is confident that the CHILIASM Prophecy position is part of what was directly taught in succession from the Apostles as I have pointed out in the #CHILIASMBOOK (free pdf). Who is reading St. Justin or St. Irenaeous of Lyons right we can debate with “proof” quotes from them but let GOD Decide in the end and reward or have mercy accordingly. Free pdf links list in last pages of #LASTBOOK whose link is at Slide 201 of free *Powerpoint link:
Who was he by God’s Grace?
Blessed St. Justin Martyr or Blessed St. Justin of Rome or Justin of Neapolis, a Great Early Christian Apologist who is a Foremost Exponent of the Divine Word, who Influenced Virtually all of subsequent Christian philosophy and Catholic theology, Martyr for Christ, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church (c. 100AD – c. 160 AD) Peace to you
Why I love working with TeamMathics?
By Merit because they never tried to trick me in a business way for example via online class where whether or not recording is allowed?. “… I’m not financially independent to do so and I don’t own those questions (of KMC or those materials so cannot record either); only TeamMathics classes I did recording because they own the questions and Mr. Lee is a long time great friend who gives me back the same classes even though he has recording of me teaching that exact same paper last year. That I respect a lot regarding TeamMathics as they didn’t try to spoil my living but were honest even though they could have just used the recording. …”. Please contact TeamMathics via contact details in image to sign up for their classes. Better to work and support people who go by merit. Yes I judge people who deal with me based on their deeds and not their race, skin colour nor religion. Link:
https://teammathics.com.my/ . Bible Verse for this (it’s rare but sometimes men with such “fairness” do exist):
“…Though I have searched repeatedly, I have not found what I was looking for. Only one out of a thousand men is virtuous, …” (Ecclesiastes 7:28, NLT)
Peace to you
Image is Slide 201 in Powerpoint*. How to answer a #MORMON (#LDS or Latter Day Saints Church) and #WHY I chose the “#REFORMED” as the “#Safest #Church” in my opinion?
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[This text is from a recent reply to a Mormon (actually it’s the 3rd trying to convert me and if they persist I will block as I’m never interested) and am only replying so they can “#repent”]
“… Opps I just realized you’re from the LDS or Mormon. That’s a cult with full of false teaching beginning with the Book of Mormon. I advise, please repent and the safest Church practice (if you need one) would be the “Reformed Churches” founded by “Blessed John Calvin” (a major #Protestant Founder) as they don’t simply engage in “ambiguous practices” which cannot be verified either way to be true or not & they even obey Written New Testament #Traditions as it is Written proving that their character is about honoring God’s Word first & any error (if any) when I compare with Church Father’s writings say in the topic of “Non-Elect Salvation” as I have discussed in free #powerpoint and pdf books, it’s not intentional on their side even if they’re wrong because that part is “difficult” to determine either way but I believe #GOD Rewards those who are right or more accurate with “greater final #resurrection body glory as #Daniel 12:3’s Wise shine like #heavens compared to less accurate but #convert many who shine like #stars only” (so if the BIBLE compares this FINAL Resurrection Body Glory in this aspect, we should strive for it by His Grace). Regarding whether the Reformed or #ChurchFathers (who are #Doctors of the Church before 700 AD) whom I quoted for “Non-Elect Salvation #possibility” part are “right”, let GOD Decide but at least regardless (either way) we still get the “reward for #honesty” as we presented the “#evidence” as it is. Reward in Heaven is Merit according to CHRIST in Matthew 5:17 – 20 from “least” to “greatest” even among “#Christians”. All false systems do NOT base Reward based on “Merit” (ability as even qualifications can be manipulated for example unable to do Math Olympiad questions even with pHD and copying from previous CHRISTIAN discoverers (original theorems, discoveries etc.) and make it look in their home country as though ‘their race, religion or even language’ discovered more which is false (#prove it if you can like I did, e.g. Slides 183 & 185 ) and discriminate CHRISTIANS in return [Please see Slide 197 earlier], end of proof QED. Peace to you …”
Image is Slide 202 in #Powerpoint*. “Merit” Bible Verses and a recent real life example.
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For example in #Math, every “Math #Teacher/#Lecturer/#Head of #Department etc.” ought to try to solve at least one major #highschool level #MathOlympiad problem by themselves without looking at #solutions (recent example below) to realize that imagine other who can solve it by God’s Grace (indicator of “#GOD given #MERIT”) but they do NOT get a job to be promoted thus which you may have gotten (not all, judge yourselves) by say claiming having straight A students in simple school math where a man that I know (an former Math Olympian) is repeatedly given the “#worst in grade students classes” so definitely his “#KPI will look bad” compared to the “#favoured teacher given to teach the #best class” and the latter gets #promoted.
DOES it look like the #REAL GOD was behind such #SUCCESS?
The MOST Blessed LORD #JESUS CHRIST certainly does NOT do such OBVIOUS #FAKE #MANIPULATIONS which ironically is how some have their #big #salaries to #positions to this day. Perhaps to clear merit, each school (government or international) should send their “head of departments who created A students etc. claims for an actual MATH OLYMPIAD contest where paper is created by #IMO Coaches and let’s see by MERIT how many actually have the #ABILITY (#not #qualification can be #manipulated) and then re-order #salaries & position all by MERIT. #FAIR, right?
*Powerpoint free pdf link at 2nd last slide
Peace to you
Sample Math Olympiad Problems done by God’s Grace (examples) as of 22 February 2024
476) Problem 476 – Euler’s Totient Function in Euler’s Theorem PMO 2024 No. 2
475) 476Problem 475 – Area of Triangle trick when sides cut in equal ratio
474) Problem 474 – Integer Functional Equation and its Size PMO 2024 No. 1
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Example Christian Theology debate
Question 1
infant baptism and the pagan supper are vague practices. and the wealth of the professional priest craft I question as well.
Reply 1
Origen also quoted infant baptism and universalism. So since you’re a universalist, so if Origen is wrong about infant baptism then universalism is also wrong. See the fallacy? So just because the reformed support infant baptism does not mean they are “unreliable”. In fact, Martin Luther (First Protestant) so every protestant must believe he is saved also was only baptized as an infant as I have shown in the #DoctrineBook and never rebaptized despite some asking him to do it meaning either “infant baptism” is correct or “it does NOT affect salvation as GOD cannot lead Martin Luther to err on such an important doctrine if getting it wrong means unsaved (but if wrong, it can lead to loss of rewards only).
Question 2
ever heard of the Evangel of the grace of God or the work of christ on the cross? feel safe. do you know how to read scripture. ? eternal hell, where is that in the original let alone the mythic and myriad definitions of faith and justification, safe, run for your life to christ. all you guys talk about repentance but know not the plan or definition of it. you are a mix of paganism and jewish mysticism. including the false presentation of baptism and presumptive election, and oh the marriage of state authorities to kill enemies of the reformed.
Reply 2
Whether Hell is eternal or not or whether it is eternal for some or not, let GOD decide. The myriads of strange definitions are found within your universalism concepts of faith too and many of them use Calvinism (reformed sovereignty of God theology) to prove universalism as GOD did not allow His Sovereignty theology to be strongly understood (lost in time) until the reformed came along. So their contribution is significant too. I am not a mix of any paganism nor judaism as I only quote Church Fathers and First Christianity writings which means I am a Christian open to Christian Possibilities. Paganism is what some universalism types do. The baptism part I already explain earlier with even Martin Luther example. Regarding election, I believe it’s true for His Church/Bride but am open to non-elect salvation possibility as the Church Fathers I quoted before 700 AD who are doctors of the church seem to point. So, I am honest enough to present the evidence and leave the rest to GOD instead of simply pointing fingers, calling names but with “no” Church Father “nor” protestant founder quotes but just personal view of bible verses.
Question 3
you misquote scripture and how can one who quotes church father, (so called) feel safe in a Reformed church, (so called)???
Reply 3
GOD hasn’t shown whether you are misquoting Scripture or the reformed. The Church Fathers is to be read topic by topic. It is safe in the reformed church for sure as they do not deliberately do strange stuff like telling ‘… God whispered to me …’ etc.
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How reliable is #Origen? he seems to support infant baptism in quote in image here as do all #RomanCatholics, #Orthodox, and some #Protestants including #Martin #Luther (First Protestant) together with some of the #Reformed (of #JohnCalvin) even #Lutherans , #Methodists and #Anglicans too.
#WHY do all this? Because if we #only #teach those who “#pay us” and those of “#same #race/#religion/#language/#family” only #LORD #JESUS #CHRIST (not me) says NO #HEAVENLY #REWARD in Verse here in #Luke 6:32 . #Peace to #you .
GOD’s WILL for MONEY – Does your Bible read the same for these Verses? – #Quotes – #Truth is only where #Freedom of #Choice exists since #God made #freewill with #limitations but it’s enough to be #real even in a #relationship with #Him . Also #knowledge without #CharityDoctrine creates #bullies, #oppressors and every other #satanic #behaviour as MOST BLESSED #LORD #Jesus #Christ #Warned in #Luke 11:41 & from “what you have” (#not #donation #money only which can be for #pretense & #career) but yet even #He did #not remove the #Pharisees or #Priests by #Force even though #He is #God in #Flesh proving #FreeWill in anything #Real yet again. Peace to you .
*Powerpoint Slide – Why I wrote the books? An Explanation in link below (Image is Slide 180):
#LastBook Free PDF download link:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wjDRr6lzDQ-4D60J8sqmDH-S60tCqQIR/view
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Image is Slide 203 in Powerpoint*.
Question
Scriptures talk about liberty and freedom, not societal and religious bondages that cause fear in life.
Reply
Image is Slide 204 in Powerpoint*. Can you please prove your ‘general statements of life goals’ based in Scripture as I am going to do next here (in short, where is your Bible Verse for the “Christian Lifestyle” you or your #Church promotes as ‘God’s Will’? or is Christ “whispering” to them “new ways” against what He Himself taught in Written Scripture?) Indeed, #NewTestament #Scripture by #LordJesusChrist Directly reveals that #Unmarried (or #LeftWife) even is better than #Marriage , leaving #Wealth (#houses , #Lands etc.) is better than #Prosperity pursuits or even leaving #family relationships such as #brother #mother #father #sister etc. if to #fulfill Christ’s Commands for the #Gospel living & preaching in some way and that’s why He gave the #Hundredfold (#Reward) harvest of the Gospel only for those who do one of these in Matthew 19:29 – 30 in some way. #FollowChrist. So if really “no” fear, must live to fulfill one of these I guess by God’s #Grace even if we cannot fulfill it the #perfect way (God #Measures each). If not He would not have mentioned how the “Last shall be First” (last on earth due to renunciation lifestyle financially, relationship-wise etc. but first in heavenly hundredfold reward which is the context here “as it is #Written”. If there was another way, Christ would have made it Written Scripture and if not interested in heavenly reward, then they don’t get it for mocking God’s Way (fair, right?). Also He Said “treasure in heaven” is to be desired for where the #heart” needs to be so there is no such thing as a Christian “earthly #prosperity heart” but only “#Christian heavenly treasure heart” and the transaction is only “#Charity #Doctrine in Luke 12:30 – 34). CHARITY Doctrine is the ONLY “action” mentioned for CHRISTIANS here by CHRIST to “Seek Kingdom of God” and Reveal “Heart” and NOT an option for some by “Relative Measure” of owning something or money first. Can you see it as “It is Written”? Do we believe in CHRIST’s WORDS here or does your Bible read differently? Are we preaching the right Gospel which CHRIST PREACHED directly in Verses here? Peace to you.
*Powerpoint Slide – Why I wrote the books? An Explanation in link below:
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Image is Slide 205 in Powerpoint. Only TWO #types of Men – #Stingy vs #Generous?
[this #spiritual #symptom reveals ‘#truth #inside’].
#GOD has #Warned from the #Old #Testament itself even via #Prophet Isaiah that if a man does not have “#generosity” (literal word here in Isaiah 32:8) next, you have to be “careful” of the “#schemer” type of men no matter how they #worship, #pray or do #religious things which #CHRIST amplified in Luke 11:41 as shown in #Slide 203/204 earlier because no “schemer/#scoundrel/#hireling” (John 10:12 – 13) can “#fake any generosity” with “his #own money/possessions” as CHRIST specifically pointed to the Pharisees/#Priests who were doing “#Charity” out of the “#safety net” of “people’s donations/money and a safe system of #tithes for their #survival” (he mentioned tithes in this #context in Luke 11:42 – can you see the ‘#real meaning’?) and so it means we don’t need to judge but each “Christian even” need to judge themselves and see if they’re fulfilling these Bible Verses as per “God’s #FINANCE Will or not”.
1) A scoundrel/schemer always attacks the poor is not liberal/generous to make ways to help them (Isaiah 32:7 – 8).
2) CHRIST Directly taught that CHARITY is more important than TITHES in Luke 11:41 – 42 (consecutive Verses “Context”) and if He compared it, we MUST too (#FollowChrist). Can you see it “as it is Written”? CHRIST also Said here in Luke 11:41 that ALMS/CHARITY DOCTRINE from “what you have” (personal things & not donation money or other people’s things only).
Does your Bible read differently? Isaiah 32:8 in other translations all include “generosity” as core meaning because verse 7 compares the “#effect” against the “poor” – can you see it? Peace to you
Image is Slide 206 in Powerpoint. #Unintelligent #Arguments and #Beliefs do NOT bring #Glory to #God – A #Classic Example of #Humanity Claims Revisited
For example a man says against a person of religion X #converts others based on giving #food (#charity) & #laughs while he believes in being #loyal to #parent. Person of religion X replies that:
So either way there’s #nothing superior about being loyal to parents if the parents themselves did “not” know the “real God” and also did the parents feed consistently anyone else of a #different #race/#religion/#denomination/#language from their #income? At least persons from religion X did that meaning they’re much “#better human beings” than parents who did “not”, right? If some parents did, then who did more by “#relative #measure” proves more true to God, fair, right? (Let God Decide this part as He MEASURES as #CHRIST SAID the #POOR WIDOW with two coins even if did #NOT feed any #GAVE MORE in Luke 21:1 – 3 meaning GOD is PERFECTLY FAIR to ALL when HE JUDGES our “HUMANITY”. Isn’t that the HIGHEST HUMANITY CHRIST TAUGHT, DID and POINTED to in #JUDGMENT #DAY VERSES in Matthew 25:37 – 43 and so if those who don’t do it & laugh at those who do it are sent to #ETERNAL #HELL even, isn’t it #FAIR? ) Peace to you
*Powerpoint Slide – Why I wrote the books? An Explanation in link below:
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Famous Christian 1: Avril Lavigne (Field: Music)
Denomination: Roman Catholic
If Christian Testimony was about Earthly Success …
[Disclaimer: I decided to do these posts from time to time to show that some of the best No. 1 in their fields (music, sports, technology etc.) even today are Christians from diverse denominations and to offset some “prosperity” mindset for example would a protestant become catholic knowing that the No. 1 or his favourite in his field is thus or vice versa? Personally I believe that as per Christ’s Direct Words in Matthew 19:29 – 30 or Luke 12:30 – 34, it’s “Renunciation” that leads to “Last on this earth shall be First” in the Kingdom of Heaven be it via “Charity Doctrine” and/or Fulfilling His Commands whilst doing so by “relative measure” (Luke 21:1 – 3) and not by results but effort even if no result as explained in Free Powerpoint especially in Slides 202 to 206. So discriminating Christians from job/salary or promoting your own race/religion/denomination/language etc. does “not” prove anything except that GOD gave “FreeWill and will Judge in the End of Time” especially Charity Doctrine done toward Christians as outlined in Matthew 25:31 – 46. So that’s why we encourage Charity Doctrine strongly as the fruit CHRIST Wants unto Eternal Life].
These “earthly success” testimonies sounds “bigger” than the “small” job promotion/salary a person attending your Church faithfully ever got. So why bother?
1) Example Quote
“… Avril Lavigne never thought she’d be on Christian radio. But the former pop-punk princess found herself there last October, when her uplifting anthem “Head Above Water” became an unexpected crossover hit on Billboard’s Hot Christian Songs chart, peaking at No. 2. “I loved that,” Lavigne says, laughing. “But I’m not surprised because that’s where I got my start and how it all began. I grew up in a small town (in Ontario, Canada) singing in church, so it made me very happy. And needless to say, it made my parents very happy, too.” Although her strict Catholic upbringing eventually soured her on attending church (“They were really long services, and I was always so hungry,” she jokes), Lavigne says she still has her “own personal relationship with God, where I’m not a crazy Bible-thumper, but I do have faith.” Her spirituality has only deepened in the past few years, following a life-threatening battle with Lyme disease. The illness, which she contracted from a tick, causes extreme fatigue and joint pain and left the singer bedridden for months. She recalls one particular night during that time – lying in bed with her mom, feeling weak and convinced she was dying – that she was inspired to write “Head Above Water,” which is also the title of her new album, out Friday (her first since 2013). …”
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2) Another quote:
“… I have to fight to keep my image really me … I rejected some gorgeous publicity shots because they just didn’t look like me. I won’t wear skanky clothes that show my booty, my belly or my boobs. I have a great body. — Lavigne on her image early in her career[19] …”
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avril_Lavigne
#Famous #Christians #FamousChristian1 #Avril #Lavigne #Music #Rock #Roman #Catholic #Church #Earthly #Success #Testimony vs #Renunciation #Prosperity vs #Charity #Doctrine #Case #Studies .
Image is Slide 206 in Powerpoint. WHY would GOD Want “Renunciation” to give it “Highest Hundredfold Final Heavenly Rewards” as “Love in Action”? as we saw especially in Slides 200 to 206 earlier?
The “price of anything is amount of life you give for it” (Henry David Thoreau’s quote) is Biblical in light of these “Bible” Verses:
CHRIST’s OWN WORDS points in Luke 6:20, 24 where “only POOR vs RICH” are compared “so financially” for “HEAVEN and not” meaning ‘CHARITY DOCTRINE’ when seen with HIS OTHER WORDS (from Luke 12:30 – 34, Luke 11:41 – 42, Luke 16:9, Luke 10:25 -37 to even JUDGMENT DAY Verses Matthew 25:31 – 46 as NO other “religious act other than CHARITY” is common to all these Verses so “poor in spirit” of Matthew 5:3 means this primarily too). CHARITY to share either EARTHLY or SPIRITUAL GOODS for FREE (not when “paid or with salary” only) as proof of GOD’s LOVE AGAPE as even 1 John 3:16 – 18 calls it EMULATING CHRIST’s LOVE (not salvation by works). The GOSPEL is PREACHING about CHRIST and also PREACHING what HE TAUGHT. CHRIST’s LOVE for HIS BRIDE (WIFE/CHRISTIANS) is GREATEST so HE GIVES her MOST & you can do that too so but HE COMMANDED to LOVE even ENEMIES for FULL REWARD so we can love say WIFE/FAMILY in the LORD MOST but must include those of DIFFERENT RELIGION/LANGUAGE/RACE/DENOMINATION etc. with CHARITY for Reward as He Asked back in Luke 6:32 – 34 & this context which includes “enemies” too (Matthew 5:43 – 48). The right Gospel reveals “heaven” is “difficult/narrow” and only a “few” do all this (Matthew 7:13 – 15).
Relative Measure Christian Ministry Example as Christ Taught in Luke 21:1 – 3: (If 2 persons came to you to convert & baptize & you taught them Scripture & Doctrine with that especially without taking any love offering etc., it’s the same if 10000 came to you likewise – can you see it? Parable of Christ in Matthew 20:1 – 16 even for “1 hour work or 12 hours” which is based on ‘relative measure’ – fair to all, right?).
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So any Christian can baptize others based on the “Great Commission” (Matthew 28:19 – 20) and “earliest rules of the Church” (details in “P/S later”) where we must not forget the “teaching them to observe all that I commanded you part” (indicating ‘same rules’ given in New Testament Scripture with “no” modern new ones as must be given to apostles back then, can you “see” it? in Matthew 28:20 which some modern churches change for example new testament traditions or even skipping Charity Doctrine is not safe). Whether the persons whom we baptize follow or not or fall away as per the Parable of the Sower’s ‘failed’ bad grounds (Matthew 13), that’s between them and God and our part is done!
For example Blessed Charles Spurgeon (nicknamed “Prince of Preachers” taught likewise and was “never ordained” as a ‘pastor’ via any denomination nor bible school even though he was the one who popularized the ‘pastor’ title – did you know? and did Charity Doctrine with almost all money he received from “donations/ministry”), example quotes:
i) “… Baptists had a long tradition of ordaining ministers, for example, but Spurgeon managed to get his church to omit this step—he never was ordained. He campaigned arduously to do without the customary title, Reverend, and he eventually succeeded in replacing it with Pastor.. …” Source:
https://christianhistoryinstitute.org/magazine/article/what-did-spurgeon-believe
ii) “… The injunctions of the Saviour are perpetual in their obligation; they were not binding upon apostles merely, but upon us also, and upon every Christian does this yoke fall, “Go ye, therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.” We are not exempt to-day from the service of the first followers of the Lamb; our marching orders are the same as theirs, and our Captain requires from us obedience as prompt and perfect as from them. Oh that his message may not fall upon deaf ears, or be heard by stolid souls! …”
Source:
https://www.spurgeon.org/resource-library/sermons/the-missionaries-charge-and-charta/#flipbook/
iii) “… Spurgeon founded sixty-six ministries with the money generated from his book and sermon sales. Some of these ministries included two orphanages, a book fund, a clothing drive, numerous almshouses, nursing homes, Sunday schools for the blind and for children, ministries to policemen and fallen women, among dozens more. …”
Source: https://www.spurgeon.org/resource-library/blog-entries/4-reasons-spurgeon-died-poor/
iv) “… The Metropolitan Tabernacle was the largest church edifice of its day. Spurgeon continued to preach there several times per week until his death 31 years later. He never gave altar calls at the conclusion of his sermons, but he always extended the invitation that if anyone was moved to seek an interest in Christ by his preaching on a Sunday, they could meet with him at his vestry on Monday morning. …”
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Spurgeon
Our message of the Gospel is Simple: Believe in Lord Jesus Christ and Live the Charity Doctrine He Commanded by Loving one another in Action (which is the meaning of the Two Greatest Commandments of Love God & Love your neighbor as yourself, e.g. Mark 12:29 – 31) which fulfills all Law (Torah, Galatians 5:14) and is God’s Will for Eternal Life (Luke 10:25 – 37).
We leave it to your own will whether which church one decides to attend formally or whether one decides not to attend church but only believers’ gatherings by assembling together informally. We do not solicit any money for these purposes and if you feel like giving anything to God, please Give to the Poor as we do not accept any donations of any kind.
All Glory to God.
If anyone wants to be Baptized, please feel free to contact us via Facebook Messenger or WhatsApp (+6010 – 8803 763), thank you.
Here are our other Baptism Videos for Encouragement:
11) Mr. Yogeswaran
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10161578001832784&id=651792783
10) Ms. Keerthi Rai
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10161218448017784&id=651792783
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8.) Ms. Karthi Ann
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7) Mr. Uren Raj
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6) Mr. Melvin
https://www.facebook.com/jonathan.ramachandran/videos/174156758091815/
5) Mr. Ganesan (Sean)
https://www.facebook.com/651792783/posts/10160727351302784/
4) Ms. Anna
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2) Mr. Adrian
https://web.facebook.com/jonathan.ramachandran/videos/10159121762357784/
1) Mr. Raja and Mr. Vickram
https://web.facebook.com/jonathan.ramachandran/posts/10159117472717784
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Peace to you
P/S: We don’t put any additional rules for Baptism
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https://www.facebook.com/651792783/posts/10161578021857784/
The Scripture Way is like this as Blessed Apostle St. Philip demonstrates “as it is Written” in Verses below:
“… 35Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning at this Scripture, preached Jesus to him. 36Now as they went down the road, they came to some water. And the eunuch said, “See, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?” 37[f]Then Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.” 38So he commanded the chariot to stand still. And both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him. …” (Acts 8:35 – 38, NKJV)
Peace to you
Image is Slide 209 in #Powerpoint.
#Marriage and #Gospel #Command Pursuits (e.g. #Charity Doctrine etc.) via the life of two great #protestants Blessed John #Wesley (main founder of #Methodist Churches) and Blessed Charles #Spurgeon (the “#Prince of #Preachers”). Fast Summary: Wesley’s marriage failed (Slide 200 earlier) while Spurgeon’s marriage was good (because instead of #millions he only left his wife Susannah just little and gave rest for Charity Doctrine – what a woman of God!, selfless). If a woman is from modern Christianity hungry about “#financial #prosperity” putting pressure on husbands instead of trying to “work & give more” & support “Charity Doctrine”, best is to NOT marry instead of wasting your life for fulfilling silly prosperity desires which have nothing to do with Lord #Jesus Christ. Perhaps John Wesley fulfilled Matthew 19:29’s “Left Wife” & got “#Hundredfold” reward for the “Gospel” for “such #reasons”. If Spurgeon, Wesley and Church Fathers are not #false #prophets, their #errors (if any) will not lead to #hell if we follow them, right? They follow #Scripture more than others.
Lessons from one of the best whom GOD approved and brought the Gospel to so many people & pastors etc. via Charles Spurgeon so following his ways for these parts as per Bible Verses quoted will not lead us to hell, right? Notice that for #non-#elect salvation part we consider #Church #Fathers & are #neutral so no condemnation either but #honesty with #evidence.
Peace to you
Image is Slide 210 in Powerpoint.
Sola Scriptura – “Fruits Worthy of Repentance” Meaning (if God wanted to include any other meaning, He would have included it in Scripture, right?); also, no denomination of Christianity can claim to preach “fruits” doctrine right (if they really “care” for souls going to the “fires of hell” as they claim unless they preach these BIBLE VERSES (not opinions) using the WORD “FRUIT” (if you don’t see this word, the Verse is not talking about it or is NOT the Primary meaning) and BEST is by MOST BLESSED LORD JESUS CHIST and His Fore-Runner (real one), John the Baptist! (only then we have preached this part right)
1) Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (KING of kings and LORD of lords, GOD in FLESH)
MANY (not few) will be REJECTED from “ENTERING HEAVEN” (Context) will also think that “fruit is converting many with prophesying, casting out demons and miracles” (Matthew 7:20 – 23) instead of “HIS COMMANDS” (“His Sayings” refer to those found in Bible say heavy CHARITY DOCTRINE from Matthew 5 to 7 here even toward enemies etc. as we have seen in earlier slides) as Matthew 7:24 points clearly “as it is Written”. “Lawlessness” is rejecting anything CHRIST Taught to “DO” (Action thing meant) in next verse Matthew 7:24.
2) Blessed St. John the Baptist (Fore-Runner for CHRIST) whom CHRIST Himself called as the best born among women on earth now and Christians only greater than that in heaven sinless body onward (Luke 7:28) and with “Elijah Anointing” (Matthew 17:11) but yet even he is NOT even worthy of Christ’s Sandals level (Luke 3:16). “Fruits” worthy of repentance context else thrown into “fire” of judgment (Luke 3:8 – 9). Which Fruit? The No.1) “Fruit” mentioned is “CHARITY DOCTRINE” by ‘relative measure’ of having how much ( “as it is Written”) in Luke 3:10 – 11 (Consecutive Verses context). Holiness in financial earning and contentment (not “Prosperity Gospel”) is “Fruit” needed too (Luke 3:12 – 14).
Peace to you
Never thought someone would point me to this quite popular #Bible Teacher – Mr. #Zac #Poonen (image is from his Church Belief Statement , link next) where the #surprising thing is I have so #many “#common #doctrinal #stance” (except for #Non-Elect Salvation I have to keep it as a “#possibility” due to #ChurchFathers #Evidence). Source Post:
Examples:
1) Zac Poonen’s statement of #faith is very safe, link:
https://nccf.church/About.aspx
2) Zac Poonen is even affirmed by this hardcore #reformed theology group whom I used to refer sometimes as follows, example quote:
“… If you are here to bring a brother’s perceived shortcomings to everyone’s attention then I would ask you to reconsider, we have enough of that type here already and they bring no fruit to bear here. But to answer your question, Zac Poonen is one of the best Bible teachers I have ever heard. He is what I would truly call a “teacher” and the Lord’s anointing is clearly upon his ministry. I thank God for Zac Poonen. InChrist,
Ron _________________
Ron Halverson …”
Source: https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=43213&forum=35
3) Zac Poonen is in the middle regarding “Pentecostal speaking in tongues etc.” which is similar to Rev. Billy #Graham and the position I adapted too as well (so very safe as well both ways), to quote:
“… One important point which is always overlooked, is that Pentecostals in their beginings were in dispute with Holiness people at that time, and the Holiness people would never share a platform with them because of the disagrement over what happens at the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. Pentecostals said it brought power and the evidence of tongues, though Zac is more moderate like others in saying that the scriptures say that not all speak in tongues. …”
Source: https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=43213&forum=35
4) Zac Poonen’s position on “no women pastors/elders” over church with men but women can be pastors over women is what I believe as well apart from observing #New #Testament #Traditions which he affirms fully these #Written #Scripture in Video below so clearly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF3fQdFTDCM
5) I even found this where Zac Poonen’s preaching the same I believe in regard to though I can disagree to some Christian #denominations but I can still accept them doing it (like my late mother was #Pentecostal) since God’s Grace is bigger and he teaches the same even in marriage context, link:
Title: Accepting Our Partners as They Are in Marriage Zac Poonen
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/accepting-our-partners-marriage-zac-poonen-christopher-jesudason/
6) Zac Poonen also preaches “#Charity #Doctrine” (without using that term) for example where he even quotes John ##Wesley (main founder of Methodist Churches) in that famous quote of “give all you can” around 1 hour 4 minutes 13 seconds onward apart from many other examples there, link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEQtOQRvw5s
Peace to you
Image 211 in #Powerpoint. There is “no” holiness until “#financial #holiness” is achieved as #CHRIST Taught FIRST and Apostles #Peter and #Paul #WARNED too
1) What did LORD JESUS CHRIST (God in FLESH, KING of kings & LORD of lords) Teach for FINANCIAL HOLINESS?
Some are “#outwardly holy” (abstain from #sins e.g. #not a #thief, not committing #adultery, not doing #murder etc.) but they SIN in #FINANCE especially as the Pharisees as Priests take CHURCH Money/Donations/Love offerings and use it for “#Prosperity” instead of #CHARITY #DOCTRINE as CHRIST Revealed in Verses below that “WITHOUT CHARITY DOCTRINE (“#Alms” from “what you have” i.e. personal possessions money or skill etc. and NOT via other people’s donation money only like the Pharisees did), , the #INSIDE is #UNCLEAN” as it is #void of #JUSTICE & #LOVE of GOD in Luke 11:39 – 45, #SOLA #SCRIPTURA (all #BIBLE Verses):
[From Page 168 onward of the #LastBook]
“… [39Then the Lord said to him,] “Now you Pharisees make the OUTSIDE OF THE CUP and DISH CLEAN, but YOUR INWARD PART is full of [k]GREED and WICKEDNESS. 40FOOLISH ones! Did not He who made the outside make the inside also? 41But rather GIVE ALMS of [l]SUCH THINGS AS YOU HAVE; then indeed ALL THINGS ARE CLEAN TO YOU. 42“But woe to you Pharisees! For YOU TITHE mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and PASS BY JUSTICE and the LOVE of GOD These you OUGHT TO HAVE DONE, WITHOUT LEAVING THE OTHERS UNDONE. 43Woe to you Pharisees! For you love the [m]best seats in the synagogues and greetings in the marketplaces. 44Woe to you, [n]scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like graves which are not seen, and the men who walk over them are not aware of them.” …” – The GREATEST ONE, The ONLY KING, GOD in FLESH, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 11:39 – 45, NKJV)
“MANY” (not few) in CHRISTIANITY will exploit in “GREED” meaning take your money/prosperity false prophecies like ‘God is going to make you rich’ if you give to their church or them or God etc. (2 Peter 2:2 – 3).
GODLINESS makes NO ONE RICH but #CONTENTMENT DOES (regardless of income). Notice it is NOT Written the “Prosperity Gospel” claim that bigger the “GODLINESS”, GOD will give BIGGER #INCOME. In fact, the FALSE TEACHERS are GODLY OUTWARDLY as 1 Timothy 6:5 – 6 says that and they show WEALTH and preach that – So they become FINANCIALLY #UNHOLY as their minds are corrupt with such theology – can you see it “as it is #Written” here?
The “few” who find “life” go by a “difficult” way of life for CHRIST (Matthew 7:13 – 14). I wonder whether the “MANY” who fail to “enter heaven”, some may be #SAVED by #FIRE (1 Corinthians 3:15) as #NON-ELECT SALVATION on FINAL NEW EARTH (Revelation 21:24 -26) but NOT Bride/ELECT in HEAVEN (Revelation 21:9) as earlier Slides discuss with #CHURCH #FATHER quotes too. Peace to you
Image is Slide 212 in #Powerpoint . #Conclusion Why do I take the #earliest #CHILIASM #CHURCH #FATHERS CHURCH HISTORY as POSSIBLY MOST #ACCURATE? Source Post:
Powerpoint Slide – Why I wrote the books? An Explanation in link below (Image is Slide 212):
Main #Reasons (note that I’m a “#Protestant”):
If someone claims all of Church History is tampered by “Roman Catholics + Orthodox”, then basically 1600 years before the Reformation or 1900 years before the Pentecostal movement etc., GOD never exercised HIS #SOVEREIGNTY and allowed the whole “Church” to go to #HELL or be #WRONG is it?
Same way all the “pitiful” modern #women pastor excuses such as “they are Pentecostal missionaries” to even anything else also has equally NO VALUE because you forgot that 1900 years without any #PENTECOSTAL-SPEAKING in TONGUES type of CHRISTIANITY, only a ROMAN CATHOLIC + ORTHODOX + REFORMED TYPE with OLD Lutheran and OLD Methodist etc. WITH NO WOMEN PASTORS NOR SPEAKING in TONGUES DID the #HARDEST #EVANGELISM bringing the #GOSPEL to NEW LANDS for the FIRST TIME etc. (forgot is it?)
So, if all those attempt to FULFILL the #GREAT #COMMISSION FAILED with #martyrs etc. (according to some modern Pentecostals/protestants) then what is the guarantee that their “type” of Christianity likewise is “not a failure” too in GOD’s EYES since going by THEIR #LOGIC GOD can allow CHRISTIANITY to ERR for 1900 years to be NOT #SAVED even then?
Notice that as I have shown in the free Powerpoint and FREE PDF Books a lot of CHILIASM PROPHECY & DOCTRINE CHURCH FATHER QUOTES are the EARLIEST KNOWN CHURCH HISTORY (e.g. St. Papias disciple of Apostle St. #John, St. #Ireneaous of Lyons, St. #Justin Martyr (St. Justin of Rome), #Tertullian, St. #Ambrose of Milan converter of St. #Augustine too who was once a CHILIASM type too, St. #Methodius of Olympus, St. #Melito of Sardis, etc. < 500 AD …) and #BEST is they #CONTRADICT ROMAN CATHOLIC/ORTHODOX is CHILIASM PROPHECY context too meaning it may NOT be tampered with then.
Please read the powerpoint, books & proof quotes first before pointing me out as a #false #teacher.
Remember, even if I turned out wrong, it won’t be charged simply because my beliefs/possibilities are based on #EVIDENCE & quotes meaning they are #HONEST and not something out a claim of one man such as Pentecostal’s Charles Parham etc. without which they movement would not have existed (talking about following men, aren’t each one of us following another person’s “personal experience claims” or “our own experiences” etc. otherwise?)
So what I believe is DOCTRINAL accuracy determines final #resurrection body glory (#heavens-level shining) more than conversions (#stars – level –#lower) (Bible compares in Daniel 12:3 and so must we) and #ELECT can be #DECEIVED but they are STILL SAVED (Matthew 24:24) and hence “I let them believe whatever they want (#freewill) as I do likewise”.
Notice also carefully that the ELECT are MOSTLY DECEIVED by SIGNS and WONDERS (“#Miracles”) CLAIM as GOD in FLESH, LORD #JESUS CHRIST Pointed out in Matthew 24:24 (so be careful). Peace 2 u.
#LastBook Free PDF download link:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wjDRr6lzDQ-4D60J8sqmDH-S60tCqQIR/view
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Peace to you
P/S: The LAST SLIDE (Slide 213 in powerpoint.).
#Apostles and #Prophets can have #ZERO #Prophecy #ERRORS for if not, one becomes a “false prophet” while #Bible #Teachers, #Evangelists, #Pastors etc. levels can have error & mercy if they are sincerely wrong (1 Corinthians 12:28, Ephesians 4:11). Source Post:
Powerpoint Slide – Why I wrote the books? An Explanation in link below:
If someone says that those with “errors” are automatically “unsaved” or if the “Elect” cannot be “deceived” (based on Matthew 24:24 as discussed in Slide 212 earlier), then say 1000 years before the reformation (between 500 AD to 1500 AD) almost NO #ELECT existed since only a praying to VIRGIN MARY #CHRISTIANITY existed & did the Great Commission bringing #Gospel first time into many foreign lands even?
Here’s a Bible secret which #GOD HIMSELF allowed as PROPHECY ERROR without BEING a FALSE PROPHET namely “if one is willing to ADMIT that it’s ONE’s OWN #ORACLE (“Prophecy attempt” say in #interpretation as I have done for #NON ELECT SALVATION #POSSIBILITY based on #CHURCH FATHER Quotes, early #JEWISH CHRISTIANITY WRITINGS & #EVIDENCES)”, then JEREMIAH 23:36 ALLOWS me to ERR without BEING #CONDEMNED.
However, if a “so called prophet” gives a “prophecy” by claiming “GOD told him/her” as frequently occurs especially in the PENTECOSTAL movement as they quote “HE (God) SAYS” etc. if even for one prophecy GOD did NOT tell them, in this ‘same context’ via Prophet Jeremiah GOD WARNED #ETERNAL UNFORGIVENESS can CONDEMNATION in JEREMIAH 23:38 – 40 as the ‘Greatest #UNFORGIVABLE SIN is just WORDS against the MOST BLESSED #HOLY SPIRIT of GOD’ and this alone determines who is on CHRIST‘s side or not as verse 30 implies (in Matthew 12:30 – 32).
Jeremiah 23:26 – 40, NKJV notice the word “#Olam” mentioned twice as “#everlasting” & “#perpetual” here in JUDGMENT Verse 40 used for ETERNAL Hell too elsewhere. Slide 128 earlier gives a prophecy by St. #Clement of Rome (disciple of Apostle St. #Peter) that the #majority of Church can be in error. Did you know?
Example of how serious this is: Imagine “Preaching the Gospel” but we cannot even agree regarding how CHRIST Returns (‘secret-coming+pre-trib rapture+public coming later’ as almost all speaking in tongues-#Pentecostals & modern protestants such as #brethrens etc. claim (usually quoting the HOLY SPIRIT told them directly even (Jeremiah 23:38 – 40 risk)’ versus (post-trib-one-public-second-coming as all Church Fathers from St. #Augustine of Hippo (Slide 129) or CHILIASM & non-CHILIASM fathers too (Slide 20) to all Protestant Founders even from Martin #Luther, John #Calvin and John #Wesley, #Spurgeon etc. ([proofs in Page 180 onward of the #DoctrineBook]) with same divide here on “women pastors” [proof in Pages 142 onward in #DoctrineBook too as almost all modern Pentecostals allow it while NONE of Church Fathers NOR Protestant Founders allow it]..with NONE usually quoting the Holy Spirit told them (Jeremiah 23:26 #safe route).
So who is the “#false prophet” here as it cannot be that GOD Spoke both, right?
#LastBook Free PDF download link:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wjDRr6lzDQ-4D60J8sqmDH-S60tCqQIR/view
TQ
Peace to you
Image is Slide 214 in #Powerpoint. A final note regarding why I am #neutral about the #Pentecostal movement with their speaking in tongues & “God told me claims” etc. or Roman #Catholics/#Orthodox who pray to Virgin Mary etc. is because I believe GOD can save the #ELECT with error but WHO and to which EXTENT, #GOD DECIDES.
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Powerpoint Slide – Why I wrote the books? An Explanation in link below:
Also that’s why I said that the #REFORMED seems to be the SAFEST Church for me because they take NO SUCH #RISKS. Example: Rev. Billy #Graham was NEUTRAL toward the Pentecostals and DID NOT speak in tongues like this as I am doing here whilst even BELIEVING in #NON ELECT SALVATION #POSSIBILITY (please see #SLIDE 76 earlier). So if I am a “hypocrite” to take such a stand, is Rev. Billy Graham (America/USA’s No. 1 Evangelist of all time) likewise a #hypocrite too?
Before calling me a #false #prophet please read the Powerpoint and free pdfs with evidences carefully with #Church Father quotes & early #Jewish Christian writings and as I said, I am only presenting the evidence and GOD in JEREMIAH 23:36 ALLOWS a person to do so in PROPHECY/ORACLE CONTEXT where even if #WRONG (let GOD Decide one day as per Slide 213 earlier) it’s NOT considered a “condemnation” vs the “GOD told me so type prophets who are plenty in the Pentecostal movement” (Jeremiah 23:31) to whom the RISK of #ETERNAL CONDEMNATION (Hebrew “Olam” used twice in Jeremiah 23:38 – 40’s WARNING where same word is used elsewhere for “Eternal Hell”, e.g. Daniel 12:2).
Regarding say like “#Hundredfold” Final Reward level (highest in heaven), I believe say in a man (e.g. non-Pentecostal) who LEFT his PARENTS (who are Pentecostal) for CHRIST’s SAKE (Doctrinal accuracy) by NOT agreeing to ‘their doctrinal ways’, living separately if needed to etc. as CHRIST TAUGHT in Matthew 19:29.
Please notice if that “non-Pentecostal man was wrong” and those “Pentecostal parents right” who likewise ‘kept away or denounced him for CHRIST’ then they get that hundredfold level instead for LEFT CHILDREN part so GOD is PERFECTLY FAIR without PARTIALITY, can you see it? Please remember as per evidence by the first person through whom this Pentecostal speaking in tongues gift was given back to Christianity in that first incident of claiming to speak & write in “Chinese” via Mr. Charles #Parham (slides 48, 49, 185) does it look like the #HOLY SPIRIT wrote #CHINESE here?
Please remember, the Blasphemy against the HOLY SPIRIT includes claiming things which they HOLY SPIRIT never Did/Said is #UNFORGIVEN (Matthew 12:30 – 32).
Being neutral but presenting evidence is risk-free like what I do (and GOD UNDERSTANDS with #EVIDENCE not EMPTY CLAIMS). How else can GOD test we LOVE say PARENT or CHILDREN or HIM more unless say a DOCTRINAL difference exists? NO need to leave say a WIFE if she believes same, right? Etc.
Peace to you
There’s no silly #new #age teaching called “#Law of #Attraction” etc. but only “#Time and #Chance” (#Probability) as #GOD Ordained it such to #ALL (not some, so no special cases here, Ecclesiastes 9:11) so that #nothing can be #predicted & coincidences are claimed as proof fallaciously so that the #Doctrine of #Contentment holds regardless of #wealth level (1 Timothy 6:6) where #Riches is judged based on #CharityDoctrine (Luke 12:30 – 34, 48 or 1 Timothy 6:18 – 19) as the #NewTestament #Bible Teaches. The only “god” that can be “predicted” is a “puppet of people’s imagination meaning they themselves are trying to become god by commanding things to their favour” (#Satan‘s oldest #lie: ‘you are a god’ [Genesis 3:5]).
Peace to you
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Why is St. #Augustine [of Hippo] considered the most important #Church F#ather instead of #Irenaeus, the one who pioneered the Four-#Gospel #Canon, and who skillfully navigated #Christianity between myriad conflicting voices to establish a widely accepted #religion?
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It’s because St. Ireneaous of Lyons’s Writings were not very well known in later times and more importantly sidelines because they contained #CHILIASM P#ROPHECY POSITION which the Roman #Catholic Church was shying away from and so did the #Orthodox due to “#Origen of Alexandria’s influence” as no earlier name in time can be quoted apart from possibly #Clement of Alexandria (but till today I haven’t seen quote for that, so I doubt it) and even so St. Ireneaous is earlier in time still & more from the distinguished lineage of the Blessed #Apostles’ successors such as St. #Polycarp and he quotes St. #Justin of Rome (St. Justin Martyr) to be holding the same beliefs as him where St. Justin’s CHILIASM PROPHECY quote as I have shown say in Pages 175 or 616 of the free pdf [#ChiliasmBook], link:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IzLcp1E-YoDtpAGY9qfnLeCL7ojc6-nj/view?usp=sharing
(why is quoting earlier Church Fathers important for “Prophecy” Context? “… you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture comes from one’s own interpretation. …” (2 Peter 1:20, NKJV) – now whether St. Ireneaous’ writing is saying what I am seeing as a possibility such as #NON #ELECT #SALVATION #POSSIBILITY, that is open to #debate but I present the #EVIDENCE):
Peace to you
P/S: Important Note: Though sometimes I write in a way that may give the feel that “possibility” might just be true and refute the ideas against it, it does NOT necessarily mean I am “right” simply because I am well aware that I can be misinterpreting (but in light of these First Christianity quotes, I also could be right) and that’s why I present all this honestly as a “possibility” only either way and accept whichever God Reveals as Right One Day. Here are links for free pdf download for all these books:
Slide 225. Are these Verses #WRONGLY seen regarding #NON ELECT SALVATION #Possibility which I match with #CHILIASM #PROPHECY TIMELINE or is it TRUE?
We can stand #neutral and #PRESENT the #EVIDENCE (Image is Slide 225 in Powerpoint).
1) Maybe #First #Resurrection only #FEW saved as #ELECT SALVATION (#BRIDE) as #KINGS and #PRIESTS and at the end of 1000 years transformed from human into no more flesh and blood but some heavenly substance to enter #Heaven as CHILIASM Prophecy quotes by Church Fathers ring.
2) Maybe #Second Resurrection only #MANY saved as NON ELECT SALVATION as NON-priests & NON-kings and cannot enter heaven (via New Jerusalem which connects to earth) but saved on that Final NEW #EARTH with terrestrial (earthly) #human resurrection bodies whom the BRIDE calls out at that future time to drink water of life?.
Daniel 12:10 still mentions MANY (not few) Saved in the END (2nd Resurrection) even in MASORETIC (e.g. KJV) without SEPTUAGINT even where the latter only makes it clear by “fire” (Lake of Fire?). Isn’t that what’s Written?
St. #Jerome of Vulgate & St. Gregory #Nanzianzus, St. #Ambrose of Milan all quote context of 1 Corinthians 3:15 likewise for NON ELECT SALVATION (please see #SLIDES 223 & 224, 89, 90, 115 – 118 EARLIER).
Please read free pdfs for more.
CHILIASM PROPHECY POSITION in Church History, please see [From Page 306/307 onward of the #LastBook] where even “Roman #Catholic Church” official history will prove it for you.
Powerpoint Slide – Why I wrote the books? An Explanation in link below:
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iii) #SafeRouteScripturallyBook
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vii) #ChiliasmBook
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viii) #DoctrineBook or #BookofDoctrine
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Not knowing fully or in error sincerely does not necessarily make one a “liar”. But this will: Note: Some links may be “banned” by “your country” or by “Roman Catholics” (not sure which) so you can try purchasing the hardcopy or find elsewhere if can (Example: regardless whether St. Jerome is right or not [see end quote], I quoted him honestly as he wrote that & the one who lies go to ETERNAL HELL, fair, right? – honesty with evidence has no condemnation in Scripture as even Prophet Daniel himself said he did “not” understand in Daniel 12:8).
Slide is Image 226 in #Powerpoint. Example #Debate #AGAINST a #Christian #Universalist or those who think ‘all should enter #heaven’ or even ‘all the #elect or #saved should get #same #rewards’.
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Question1: What does your analysis matter in terms of verses like 1 Tim 4:10 – 11 and Romans 11:36?
Reply 1 : 1) In light of the #Chiliasm Prophecies and other Bible Verse taken together, if my Powerpoint claims (especially conclusion in Slide 225 is correct), then for example “God Saviour of all men” can mean ‘God is Saviour of all those in final resurrection bodies during Second Resurrection who get saved (even those by fire) on that final new earth (so non-Elect salvation) where the “Saviour of believers” refers to the Elect Salvation part which by the 2nd resurrection according to Chiliasm Prophecy are no more flesh and blood (so no more human) but transformed into some heavenly substance as #Tertullian, St. #Methodius of Olympus, St. #Victorinus all teach and St. Methodius usually claims it’s from St. #Justin Martyr’s writings and St. #Irenaeus of Lyons writing has that “translated into heaven phrase” which can mean this as I showed say in [From Page 205 onward of the #LastBook] or [From Page 586 onward of the #ChiliasmBook] which includes even St. #Augustine of Hippo meaning this part he might have known) . Examples [From Page 586 onward of the #ChiliasmBook], #CONTEXT for 1 Corinthians 15:5- 52 according to sample CHILIASM #CHURCH #FATHERS here (more in pages mentioned) – #Shocking?
“… When they have been taken in who have been changed into angelic being, all entrance into the kingdom of heaven is closed …” – Blessed St. Augustine of Hippo, the Third Great Latin Doctor of the Church (Catena Aurea) Source: https://sites.google.com/site/aquinasstudybible/home/matthew-commentary/catena-aurea-on-matthew/chapter-1/chapter-2/chapter-3/chapter-4/chapter-5/chapter-6/chapter-7/chapter-8/chapter-9/chapter-10/chapter-11/chapter-12/chapter-13/chapter-14/chapter-15/chapter-16/chapter-17/chapter-18/chapter-19/chapter-20/chapter-21/chapter-22/chapter-23/chapter-24/chapter-25
“… and how this very Christ will be present in their assembly, rendering judgment to all men. The words are spoken by David, and are, according to your version [Masoretic] of them, thus: ‘God stands in the congregation of gods; He judges among the gods. How long do you judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Judge for the orphan and the poor, and do justice to the humble and needy. Deliver the needy, and save the poor out of the hand of the wicked. … provided that they kept His commandments, and were deemed deserving of the name of His sons … demonstrated that all men are deemed worthy of becoming gods, and of having power to become sons of the Highest; and shall be each by himself judged and condemned like Adam and Eve. Now I have proved at length that Christ is called God …”– Blessed St. Justin of Rome/St. Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, Chapter 124) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/01288.htm
“… But of what gods [does he speak]? [Of those] to whom He says, I have said, You are gods, and all sons of the Most High [Psalm 82:6]. To those, no doubt, who have received the grace of the adoption, by which we cry, Abba Father. Romans 8:15…” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, ‘Against Heresies’, (Book 3(III), Chapter 6), Point 1-partial)
Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103306.htm
“… Chapter 25. … Of the heavenly kingdom this is the process. After its thousand years are over, within which period is completed the resurrection of the saints, who rise sooner or later according to their deserts there will ensue the destruction of the world and the conflagration of all things at the judgment: we shall then be changed in a moment into the substance of angels, even by the investiture of an incorruptible nature, and so be removed to that kingdom in heaven … when Abraham’s seed, after the primal promise of being like the sand of the sea for multitude, is destined likewise to an equality with the stars of heaven — are not these the indications both of an earthly and a heavenly dispensation? …” – Blessed Tertullian, Father of Latin Christianity, Founder of Western Theological Scholarship, c. 155 AD – c. 240 AD, Against Marcion, Book III, Chapter 25-partial)
Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/03123.htm
Reply 1 Continued: In other words the non-elect salvation of those saved as “all men” can refer to “as many as God Decides to save as human terrestrial resurrection bodies some post-lake of fire judgment” on that Final New earth where many may “not” enter heaven as there is a gate filtering those who can and not based on name in the Book of Life. Those persons if saved after being touched by the Lake of Fire means their names were not in the Book of Life and so cannot enter heaven (Revelation 21:27) which is natural & no one can sneak in since to enter heaven one needs to have that “heavenly resurrection body” (1 Corinthians 15:40 – 42) which is no more flesh and blood into something of heavenly substance (transformed in a twinkling of an eye, 1 Corinthians 15:50 – 52 as Chiliasm Prophecy by those mentioned Church Fathers reveal directly or hint) which is forever sealed since only then it is fair. Only Elect Salvation become priests and kings (1 Peter 2:9, Revelation 1:6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 20:6) & His Bride (Revelation 21:9 out of heaven) who alone become “One Flesh” with Christ (i.e. share His Divinity in some way implying that change into heavenly substance based on Ephesians 5:31 – 32 too which many church fathers have taught likewise as “theosis” as I showed say in [From Page 205 onward of the #LastBook] or [From Page 586 onward of the #ChiliasmBook] which includes even St. Augustine of Hippo meaning this part he might have known) and so the non-kings and non-priests must be non-elect salvation among those final nations saved when the book of life is revealed already meaning these verses are written for after judgment day timeline and not millennial reign as Revelation 21:24 – 27 clearly reveals this context especially verse 27 and Revelation 21:24 mentions the phrase “kings of the earth” which could refer to elect ruling over them or some specific earthly kings of earthly resurrection bodies (not sure which) who are mentioned to “enter into lowest heaven, new jerusalem city which descends and connects to that final earth” in Revelation 21:24 which strengthens the claim that non-kings exist & saved but may NOT enter heaven for if all those nations saved enter heaven, then no need for gate filtering them (Revelation 21:27) or mentioning this “filtering” aspect particularly, right? Also Revelation 22:17 mentions both the Spirit and the Bride (Elect/Church) calling out to some to take the “Water of Life” freely (which can only be taken after Judgment Day Final New heaven/New Earth not touched by Sin creation context timeline, Revelation 21:1) since Revelation 22:1 reveals the Source of “Water of Life” is MOST BLESSED LORD JESUS CHRIST (Revelation 22:1) Who also Heals these “nations” via the “leaves of Tree of Life” (Revelation 22:2). It would be strange if this referred to Christians since then some Christians are not healed even after 1000 years of participating in Marriage of the Lamb 7 First Resurrection earlier via Chiliasm Timeline? Healing might strengthen the claim for “damage due to lake of fire sanctification context” if septuagint for Daniel 12:10 or even Masoretic also can mean this as it is & may link to “1 Corinthians 3:15 saved by fire case” as discussed in Slides 223 to 225 earlier. Probably “leaves of the tree of life” only for them since their bodies are earthly (terrestrial) only eternally so cannot enter heaven & that’s how CHRIST Chooses to administer the Power of His Resurrection according to Heavenly Body (Elect) or Earthly Body (non-Elect) in their Final Saved Resurrections. I could be wrong but my style of quoting Bible Verses with Church Father evidence is in line with 2 Peter 1:20’s warning that no prophecy is of any private interpretation as I try fill in details only and in Jeremiah 23:36 GOD allows even say if I’m in error of prophecy context but claiming I am interpreting (and NOT God told me so claims, Jeremiah 23:31 which can have eternal consequences, Jeremiah 23:38 – 40) means I lead no one to eternal hell or loss of rewards because I am just presenting honestly with evidences. Peace to you
Question 2: That you would countenance the worst possible way of looking at what is otherwise a common sense understanding of this verse is sad. saved as “all men” can refer to “as many as God Decides.” You can live in the doubts you’ve accepted, I won’t.
Reply 2: Plus I didn’t sell nor make money out of all these research nor took a salary nor a phD etc. meaning those who do that if wrong must be judged severely, right? especially since most of them will claim they are 100% right and never even admit any room for error for their interpretations (same judgment meted back as Christ Warned right in Matthew 7? meaning their spiritual pride will only work likewise if they are 100% right). “All men” refers to “those men human resurrection bodies whom God Saves”. If GOD Decides it’s “all men” it will be “all men” and if God Decides it is a certain number, then it will be so as well. Only God Knows as He Didn’t Reveal all details as Scripture itself shows.
Question 3: Plus I didn’t sell nor make money …” I never accused you of such a thing. Your resume won’t save you. God took the probabily out of the equation.
Reply 3: Your don’t even believe in being “unsaved” so that statement has no meaning right for you? So Simple: Let God Decide and we will see which is right. thank you .*after our deaths as nothing can be determined with certainty here
Question 4: You mentioned Billy Graham, you and hypocrisy. You said BG is America’s number one (Protestant)? Wrong. BG was America’s number one Augustinian. Whether BG is a hypocrite or whether “your” hypocrisy is being discussed, so far as I am concerned, is irrelevant. It is NOT about you.
Reply 4: You seem judgmental while believing that believing in nothing itself gives all equal and saved in heaven which means it’s all about you.
doesn’t make any sense. No point in discussing anything since even if wrong, all are saved and in heaven, right as you believe? So any Universalists likewise cannot complain about murder, discrimination they face in life or vote for their political leader for betterment of life since even heaven is open to all those “whom they consider evil”, then they better show it here first by “accepting evil happen to them”. So if they cannot, it’s just a show of hypocrisy. Did you know that the “Universalism” type passages in “possible Scripture” from “early Jewish Christian Writings” doesn’t have such new age rubbish? Here’s an example [From Page 898/899 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
where in Some Christians ask: How can Salvation from the Lake of Fire be “Fair or Justice” if it is “not” Eternal? The Answer may be found in the Apocalypse of Elijah Quote above itself where the REASON if such a SALVATION is POSSIBLE is Given as ‘… the righteous …’ who ‘… will ASK for MANY TIMES …’ are asking for THE SAME SINNERS who “… persecuted them and those who handed them over to death in their torments …” earlier. In Simple words, this Salvation can ONLY be ASKED by THOSE SPECIFIC RIGHTEOUS who an ASK ONLY for THOSE SPECIFIC SINNERS in HELL who earlier in life HAVE MADE THESE SAME RIGHTEOUS SUFFER or even DIE in their hands. Now, that is VERY LOGICAL. So, there is NO FORCING of FORGIVENESS required and so as a CHRISTIAN if you see SOMEONE in HELL who have HURT YOU or TORTURED YOU in SOME WAY or DID EVIL to you or even KILLED YOU, you can decide whether to FORGIVE THEM from ETERNAL HELL or not BY PRAYER to GOD AT THAT TIME (if this Prophecy Writing is True) in principle of the Verses in John 20:21 – 23.
Question 5: I wouldn’t be throwing around the accusation of pride. It’s unseemly and unnecessary. By the way, the God you serve – is a wilfull loser. You preaching probabilities? That is all kinds of sad – and you don’t know it. Explain that please. You’re right. God paid your debt – He removed the sin of WORLD – past present and future. Too bad you won’t give Him the benefit of the doubt. (John 1:29, John 19:30 changes the verb of 1:29) It’s too bad you serve a god who is quite happy to give life to creatures He knew up front would be lost forever. Your god is a monster. Why you have any affection for him, escapes me. Good luck with you “Orthodox” church being “safest bet.” I’m sure the Lord is flattered by your math. our rationale is 180 out of phase. I make it ALL about HIM – because He earned it – because He deserves it – because He is worthy of it. Your contribution – what did the old record say? Oh, yes, your words are as unclean rags (used menstrual rags, I might add.)
Reply 5: Preaching probabilities or “your own oracle” in “prophesy context” is allowed by Jeremiah 23:26 while in that same Verse GOD Warned against preaching 100% God’s Word unless one who quotes Him is 100% right on the “prophecy claim” (so your position looks like no room for error. All the best and let’s see if the “god” who led you to your beliefs is a “winner” and proves it on that Day by “your prophesy interpretation is 100% right”, fair, right? (instead of empty throwing words around). Your god is the monster because he wants to give heaven to monsters right? My GOD Will Judge FAIRLY and only GIVE HEAVEN to the RIGHTEOUS and if any NON-ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY is there, it’s for those whom HE JUDGES FAIRLY & does NOT allow all into heaven & has ranking according to obedience by relative measure within final heaven & earth inheritance. How can you support murderers, rapists, money-lovers exploiting whomever they can daily to earn more just because they have racial, nepotism or other economic advantages etc. and then believe that all these “monsters” deserve to be in “heaven” and then claim “my God is a monster”? Isn’t “your god” a “monster” that likes those “monster” behaviours then? Maybe you are one of those “monsters” listed here who is angry because “you don’t want to repent of your sin”. Nothing pure in your words and in fact since you like dirty sins and things and like to approve it, you like menstrual rags, isn’t it? Because you like approving dirty things to heaven, right? You will get the “god” you deserve which is “smear Him” if “He does not agree with your sin” and then if somebody teaches judgment for sin and loss of reward or salvation accordingly, you smear that person so similarly you will get nothing in the end for you despised good and wanted to reward evil with eternal bliss.
anyway I will put your conversation in my slides so everyone can read both sides (the earlier part) let each decide for themselves, fair, right?
Quoting Daniel 12:8 is NOT an excuse NOR out of CONTEXT simply because imagine the PROPHET to whom SCRIPTURE was GIVEN namely Blessed PROPHET DANIEL but he himself DID NOT fully understand the meaning of MANY (not FEW) shall be PURIFIED etc. as part of it in DANIEL 12:10, so how much more can we expect to understand unless GOD REVEALS? Notice that Blessed Prophet Daniel is definitely more HOLY than YOU or I and MORE FILLED WITH the HOLY SPIRIT’s ANOINTING from anyone else in MODERN CHRISTIANITY – can you SEE it? But yet Prophet Daniel did “NOT” understand. Peace to you
SLIDE 234. Hundredfold Reward Prophecy meaning in First Christianity (Matthew 13:23, Matthew 19:29) as NO Prophecy is of private interpretation, right? (2 Peter 1:20)
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– Special highlight for common fallacy. I quote two of Blessed St. Augustine of Hippo’s (non-Chiliasm Church Father’s) “hundredfold” quote where the one with “unmarried as hundredfold vs marriage becoming thirtyfold” is very accepted but the other quote that “hundredfold” can also be attained via CHARITY DOCTRINE or DISCRIMINATED from JOB/SALARY etc. due to GOSPEL STANCE (supported even via Slide 232 & Slide 233 earlier by CHILIASM CHURCH Fathers Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons & Blessed Tertullian respectively) is not very accepted. So if St. Augustine of Hippo’s “hundredfold” part of doctrine is to be accepted, we must accept both or reject both, fair, right? So preaching both ways as options for attaining to “hundredfold” rewards does NOT make me a false teacher unless you’re saying even St. Augustine of Hippo is a false teacher then, right? (even based on this one subtopic)
“… THREE HARVESTS IN THE GOSPEL, THIRTYFOLD, SIXTYFOLD, AN HUNDREDFOLD, — CHASTE MARRIAGE DWELLING IN THE GROUND FLOOR, CHASTE WIDOWHOOD IN THE UPPER, AND CHASTE VIRGINITY IN THE TOP STOREY. Or any better interpretation may be given, so long as the reference to this city is maintained…” – Blessed St. Augustine of Hippo, the Third Great Latin Doctor of the Church, who influenced virtually all of subsequent Western philosophy and Catholic theology, as well as a significant amount of Protestant theology, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church (c. 354 AD – c. 430 AD, Book XV (15), ‘City of God’, Chapter 26) Roman Catholic
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11) Augustine: Homilies on the Gospel of John, Homilies on the First Epistle of John, Soliloquies
Lectures or Tractates on the Gospel According to St. John.
Chapter XIX. 24–30.
Matthew 19:29
“… 3. But what was this “his own,” unto which John took the mother of the Lord? For he was not outside the circle of those who said unto Him, “Lo, we have left all, and followed Thee.” No, but on that same occasion he had also heard the words, Every one that hath forsaken these things for my sake, shall receive an hundred times as much in this world.18991899 Matt. xix. 27, 29. That disciple, therefore, had an hundredfold more than he had cast away, whereunto to receive the mother of Him who had graciously bestowed it all. But it was in that society that the blessed John had received an hundredfold, where no one called anything his own, but they had all things in common; even as it is recorded in the Acts of the Apostles. For the apostles were as if having nothing, and yet possessing all things.19001900 2 Cor. vi. 10. How was it, then, that the disciple and servant received unto his own the mother of his Lord and Master, where no one called anything his own? Or, seeing we read a little further on in the same book, “For as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of them, and laid them down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need,”19011901 Acts iv. 32–35. are we not to understand that such distribution was made to this disciple of what was needful, that there was also added to it the portion of the blessed Mary, as if she were his mother; and ought we not the rather so to take the words, “From that hour the disciple took her unto his own,” that everything necessary for her was entrusted to his care? He received her, therefore, not unto his own lands, for he had none of his own; but to his own dutiful services, the discharge of which, by a special dispensation, was entrusted to himself. …” – Blessed St. Augustine of Hippo, the Third Great Latin Doctor of the Church, who influenced virtually all of subsequent Western philosophy and Catholic theology, as well as a significant amount of Protestant theology, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church (c. 354 AD – c. 430 AD, Lectures or Tractates on the Gospel According to St. John. Chapter XIX. 24–30)
Source: https://www.catholiccrossreference.online/fathers/index.php/Matt%2019:29
or https://ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf107.iii.cxx.html
Comment: Notice in quote below the same word “hundredfold” is used and St. Augustine of Hippo is saying that Blessed Apostle St. John received Christ’s Mother as “his own” but yet that did NOT exclude his hundredfold based on “left mother” of Matthew 19:29 and that the “SOCIETY of the HUNDREDFOLD” (not Apostle St. John alone) St. Augustine of Hippo refers to ONLY one COMMON TRAIT as it certainly INCLUDED MARRIED BELIEVERS etc., right? Which is THOSE LIVING in CHARITY DOCTRINE LIFESTYLE together as they SHARED ALL in COMMON etc. (earthly & spiritual goods can be analogous today, give either if cannot give both for FREE such as GOSPEL RESEARCH or SKILLS TAUGHT to OTHERS etc. if cannot give money much – can you SEE it?) Please read the words below & see if I’m lying or not. HUNDREDFOLD is attained via a LIFESTYLE of LOVE in GIVING & SHARING and NOT in Prosperity Gospel NOR if a priest lives off others but does no charity doctrine of his own etc. Maybe CHARITY DOCTRINE “HUNDREDFOLD” ones did the LEFT HOUSES/LANDS part by SHARING it with OTHERS for FREE as mentioned in Matthew 19:29 as St. Augustine of Hippo links it to both Acts 2:44, Acts 4:32 in his own words here. Peace 2 u.
Slide 233 in Powerpoint. Hundredfold Reward Prophecy meaning in First Christianity (Matthew 13:23, Matthew 19:29) as NO Prophecy is of private interpretation, right? (2 Peter 1:20)– Earliest known meanings preserved are these three quotes (and two of it are from CHILIASM CHURCH FATHERS St. Irenaeous of Lyons & Tertullian) so if someone says otherwise, ask them for source and quote. Can you see it? Please see the dates. Quote 2 & 3 of 3.
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2) Fathers of the Second Century
CLEMENT OF ALEXANDRIA
The Stromata, or Miscellanies
Book IV.
Chapter IV.—The Praises of Martyrdom.
Matthew 19:29
“… If the confession to God is martyrdom, each soul which has lived purely in the knowledge of God, which has obeyed the commandments, is a witness both by life and word, in whatever way it may be released from the body,—shedding faith as blood along its whole life till its departure. For instance, the Lord says in the Gospel, “Whosoever shall leave father, or mother, or brethren,” and so forth, “for the sake of the Gospel and my name,”26962696 Matt. xix. 29. he is blessed; not indicating simple martyrdom, but the gnostic martyrdom, as of the man who has conducted himself according to the rule of the Gospel, in love to the Lord (for the knowledge of the Name and the understanding of the Gospel point out the gnosis, but not the bare appellation), so as to leave his worldly kindred, and wealth, and every possession, in order to lead a life free from passion. “Mother” figuratively means country and sustenance; “fathers” are the laws of civil polity: which must be contemned thankfully by the high-souled just man; for the sake of being the friend of God, and of obtaining the right hand in the holy place, as the Apostles have done. …” – Blessed St. Clement of Alexandria, Head of the First Oldest Bible School in all of Christianity, the Cathecathical School At Alexandria, Teacher of Origen (c. 150 AD – c. 215 AD, The Stromata (Book 4, Chapter 4):
https://ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf02.vi.iv.iv.iv.html
3) Latin Christianity: Its Founder, Tertullian
Apologetic.
On Idolatry.
Further Answers to the Plea, How Am I to Live?
Chapter XII
“…. .243243 Matt. vi. 28; Luke xii. 28. “My work was my subsistence.” Nay, but “all things are to be sold, and divided to the needy.”244244 Matt. xix. 21; Luke xviii. 22. “But provision must be made for children and posterity.” “None, putting his hand on the plough, and looking back, is fit” for work.245245 Luke ix. 62, where the words are, “is fit for the kingdom of God.” “But I was under contract.” “None can serve two lords.”246246 Matt. vi. 24; Luke xvi. 13. If you wish to be the Lord’s disciple, it is necessary you “take your cross, and follow the Lord:”247247 Matt. xvi. 24; Mark viii. 34; Luke ix. 23; xiv. 27. your cross; that is, your own straits and tortures, or your body only, which is after the manner of a cross. Parents, wives, children, will have to be left behind, for God’s sake.248248 Luke xiv. 26; Mark x. 29, 30; Matt. xix. 27–30. Compare these texts with Tertullian’s words, and see the testimony he thus gives to the deity of Christ. Do you hesitate about arts, and trades, and about professions likewise, for the sake of children and parents? Even there was it demonstrated to us, that both “dear pledges,”249249 i.e., any dear relations. and handicrafts, and trades, are to be quite left behind for the Lord’s sake; while James and John, called by the Lord, do leave quite behind both father and ship;250250 Matt. iv. 21, 22; Mark i. 19, 20; Luke v. 10, 11. while Matthew is roused up from the toll-booth;251251 Matt. ix. 9; Mark ii. 14; Luke v. 29. while even burying a father was too tardy a business for faith.252252 Luke ix. 59, 60. None of them whom the Lord chose to Him said, “I have no means to live.” Faith fears not famine. It knows, likewise, that hunger is no less to be contemned by it for God’s sake, than every kind of death. It has learnt not to respect life; how much more food? [You ask] “How many have fulfilled these conditions?” But what with men is difficult, with God is easy.253253 Matt. xix. 26; Luke i. 37; xviii. 27. Let us, however, comfort ourselves about the gentleness and clemency of God in such wise, as not to indulge our “necessities” up to the point of affinities with idolatry, but to avoid even from afar every breath of it, as of a pestilence. …” – Blessed Tertullian, Father of Latin Christianity, Founder of Western Theological Scholarship, CHILIASM CHURCH FATHER c. 155 AD – c. 240 AD, Apologetic, On Idolatry, Chapter 12)
Source: https://ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf03.iv.iv.xii.html
Comment: I am more into CHILIASM CHURCH FATHERS for accuracy and if they differ I go for earliest ones first who are St. Justin of Rome (St. Justin Martyr) or St. Ireneaous of Lyons and then Blessed Tertullian etc. Now, Tertullian also clearly writes that HUNDREDFOLD REWARD Level sacrifice refers to even money sacrificed to be GIVEN to the POOR instead of CHILDREN & POSTERITY too and if needed even GIVING UP GOOD SALARY JOBS due to STANDING UP for GOSPEL or DISCRIMINATED (Can you see it implied in his writing here? [follow arrow in image]) meaning if CHRISTIANS compromise or do lesser they may get thirty-fold or sixty-fold level only likewise (God Will Measure Fairly) meaning for example can hoard if going to give to poor at end of life or some to family or by doing CHARITY DOCTRINE via relative measure before marriage or even after marriage by Sharing this world’s goods or gospel things for free without salary or fixed tithes support, denomination/church etc. (higher value). NO Prosperity GOSPEL at all. Peace 2 u. TQ
SLIDE 232. Hundredfold Reward Prophecy meaning in First Christianity (Matthew 13:23, Matthew 19:29) as NO Prophecy is of private interpretation, right? (2 Peter 1:20)– Earliest known meanings preserved are these three quotes (and two of it are from CHILIASM CHURCH FATHERS St. Irenaeous of Lyons & Tertullian) so if someone says otherwise, ask them for source and quote. Can you see it? Please see the dates. Quote 1 of 3.
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Against Heresies: Book V
Chapter XXXIII.—Further proofs of the same proposition, drawn from the promises made by Christ, when He declared that He would drink of the fruit of the vine with His disciples in His Father’s kingdom, while at the same time He promised to reward them an hundred-fold, and to make them partake of banquets. The blessing pronounced by Jacob had pointed out this already, as Papias and the elders have interpreted it.
Matthew 19:29
“… 2. And for this reason the Lord declared, “When thou makest a dinner or a supper, do not call thy friends, nor thy neighbours, nor thy kinsfolk, lest they ask thee in return, and so repay thee. But call the lame, the blind, and the poor, and thou shall be blessed, since they cannot recompense thee, but a recompense shall be made thee at the resurrection of the just.”47344734 Luke xiv. 12, 13. And again He says, “Whosoever shall have left lands, or houses, or parents, or brethren, or children because of Me, he shall receive in this world an hundred-fold, and in that to come he shall inherit eternal life.”47354735 Matt. xix. 29; Luke xviii. 29, 30. For what are the hundred-fold [rewards] in this word, the entertainments given to the poor, and the suppers for which a return is made? These are [to take place] in the times of the kingdom, that is, upon the seventh day, which has been sanctified, in which God rested from all the works which He created, which is the true Sabbath of the righteous, which they shall not be engaged in any earthly occupation; but shall have a table at hand prepared for them by God, supplying them with all sorts of dishes. …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, CHILIASM CHURCH FATHER (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, Against Heresies, Book 5, Chapter 33, Point 2) Source:
https://www.catholiccrossreference.online/fathers/index.php/Matt%2019:29
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https://ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.ix.vii.xxxiv.html
Comment: Comment: Notice how St. Ireneaous combines Luke 14:12 – 13 and Matthew 19:29 to refer to “First Resurrection” and uses the “hundred-fold [rewards]” also for ENTERTAINMENTS GIVEN to the POOR and SUPPER (or food given) which is CHARITY DOCTRINE? So “hundredfold” refers to “rewards” context and “times of the kingdom” means “first resurrection and “CHARITY DOCTRINE” can attain to it as Luke 14:12 – 13 means without say leaving marriage or doing one of Matthew 19:29 too. It would be very odd if St. Ireneaous of Lyons who heard St. Polycarp direct disciple of Blessed Apostle St. John & others near that level preach is WRONG about HUNDREDFOLD Reward, right? Holiness/Virginity etc. without CHARITY DOCTRINE only benefits self to be saved, right? So lesser value. Where is your First Christianity quote earlier than this? Peace 2 u.
SLIDE 231. God cannot be Speaking all these contradicting PROPHECY Views just based on one verse 1 Corinthians 15:50 – 52, right? Problem: Almost all in modern Christianity view 1 Corinthians 15:50 – 52 as the “Rapture” but ALMOST ALL CHILIASM PROPHECY CHURCH FATHERS (earliest Church Fathers Writings on the topic, if someone says otherwise ask them for quote & proof) say it REFERS to END of FIRST RESURRECTION’s THOUSAND YEARS at the LAST TRUMPET indicating START of SECOND RESURRECTION Timeline. Remember that PROPHETS can have ZERO PROPHECY ERRORS as GOD WARNED in DEUTERONOMY 18:22.
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Time will tell who was the “false prophet” whether ‘those who view 1 Corinthians 15:52 as rapture Verse (e.g. almost all modern Christianity) or these CHILIASM CHURCH FATHERS namely Blessed Tertullian, St. Justin Martyr, St. Ireneaous of Lyons and even St. Augustine of Hippo in a way quote the change into “angelic or as “gods” referred to in Psalm 82 Prophecy” (quotes in Slide 216, 226 or 69 earlier) where for example St. Irenaeous of Lyons(Slide 69) quotes 1 Corinthians 15:52’s “Last Trumpet” phrase which is only found in this Verse to refer to Second Resurrection Timeline at the END (of 1000 years as wicked are only raised to be judged at this timeline) or even St. Victorinus (Slide 69) & St. Methodius of Olympus (Slide 68) or Book of 1Enoch too as shown in [Page 216 onward of the #LastBook]’ – We can be NEUTRAL and PRESENT the EVIDENCE HONESTLY like this and GOD WILL understand our dilemma, right?
In short, who is the “false prophet”? Also, have you wondered perhaps GOD allows errors to be big and widespread and known everywhere first before correcting it so that no one can cover up nor pretend? The question is who is in error here? Please see Page 386 onward of the #LastBook for the “thief in the night” phrase discussion if keen. WHO is the FALSE PROPHET?
1) Almost all MODERN CHRISTIANTY PROPHETS Claim that 1 Corinthians 15:52 refers to “Rapture” event for Some Coming of Christ Type
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2) Almost all CHILIASM CHURCH FATHERS whose writing quotes 1 Corinthians 15:52 in some way refers to the change from “human” (for 1000 years in First Resurrection’s “times of the kingdom” to be repaid in human form first) before change into “angelic/divine substance” via “marriage of the Lamb” where CHRIST shares His Divinity to become One Flesh with the Church/Bride (“Theosis” as some details in Slide 226/227 earlier) at end of 1000 years at start of 2nd resurrection. Doesn’t “THIEF in the NIGHT” equivalent phrase in 2 Peter 3:10 look like 2nd resurrection when world is ready to be judged in FIRE here?
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Slide 235 in Powerpoint. OLDEST CHILIASM THIRTYFOLD, SIXTYFOLD and HUNDREDFOLD Quote. Ever wondered what is the EARLIEST known QUOTE regarding HUNDREDFOLD, SIXTYFOLD and THIRTYFOLD Final ELECT (CHRISTIAN/BRIDE) SALVATION, the only ones who INHERIT HEAVEN (not the Final New Earth which is common to the rest)? I mean this CHILIASM QUOTE is attested even by earliest non-Chiliasm Church Fathers such as Blessed Eusebius Father of Church History who was a big follower of Blessed Origen of Alexandria (oldest known non-Chiliasm Church Father by writing/name & if anyone says otherwise ask them for quote & proof with source) where they themselves ADMIT it is AUTHENTIC & even DARE make FUN of Blessed St. PAPIAS so maybe that’s why they are allowed to err saying like he’s not too smart to understand PROPHECY as he took it too LITERALLY while they TOOK it ALLEGORICALLY while PRESERVING this SAME QUOTE independently of GUESS WHO?
[From Page 217 onward of the #ChiliasmBook] Please compare with St. Papias’ quote below where it seems to point that ANYONE whose has the NEW JERUSALEM CITY NAME (described in Revelation 3:12 above) is in the LOWEST HEAVEN CONNECTING to the FINAL NEW EARTH and so anyone saved regularly on the FINAL NEW EARTH COULD BE NON ELECT SALVATION (if this interpretation is true).
“… As the presbyters say, then those who are deemed worthy of an abode in heaven shall go there, others shall enjoy the delights of Paradise, and others shall possess the splendour of the city; for everywhere the Saviour will be seen, according as they shall be worthy who see Him. But that there is this distinction between the habitation of those who produce an hundredfold, and that of those who produce sixty-fold, and that of those who produce thirty-fold; for the first will be taken up into the heavens, the second class will dwell in Paradise, and the last will inhabit the city; and that on this account the Lord said, “In my Father’s house are many mansions: John 14:2 for all things belong to God, who supplies all with a suitable dwelling-place, even as His word says, that a share is given to all by the Father, according as each one is or shall be worthy. And this is the couch in which they shall recline who feast, being invited to the wedding. The presbyters, the disciples of the apostles, say that this is the gradation and arrangement of those who are saved, …” – Blessed St. Papias, Bishop of Hierapolis, an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of the Blessed St. John the Apostle who wrote the Book of Revelation (c. 60 AD – c. 163 AD, Fragment V) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0125.htm
BLESSED ST. IRENAEOUS of LYONS’ which LOOKS IDENTICAL as even he says the CHILIASM PROPHECY QUOTE NOT found in any other non-Chiliasm CHRISTIANITY be it ancient or modern and he quotes it is NOT his opinion but held by ALL the PRESBYTERS or DIRECT DISCIPLES of the BLESSED APOSTLES of the LAMB whom the APOSTLES APPOINTED & ANOINTED by themselves DIRECTLY which is important because it says
1) All Christians SAVED in FIRST RESURRECTION (so if anyone is saved 1000 years later during Second Resurrection as we saw “possibilities” say in SLIDES 216, 225 & 227 with CHILIASM Church Fathers means these could be NON-ELECT SALVATION only on FINAL EARTH, right?)
2) THIRTYFOLD get FINAL Residence in LOWEST HEAVEN final NEW JERUSALEM CITY which descends and connects to final NEW EARTH not touched by Sin after Judgment Day (Revelation 21 describes this) while SIXTYFOLD gets FINAL Residence in PARADISE part of HEAVEN in a layer above that while HUNDREDFOLD get FINAL Residence even above that in LAYERS in HEAVENS. Though these are “not” Bible Verses, Matthew 13:11 hints that “secrets of kingdom of heaven” not given to all and so could include these, right? Personally I prefer believing this than “some Pentecostal claiming a trip to heaven”, right? Let GOD Decide but at least even if say wrong (what are the odds? as even non-Chiliasm Church History proves these quotes authentic instead of deleting it) at least we can shown GOD these EVIDENCE QUOTES and HE Will Understand.
BONUS: Notice this also means that MARRIED PERSONS can ATTAIN to HUNDREDFOLD levels according to 1 CORINTHIANS 9:5 as even SOME APOSTLES did NOT “Leave WIFE” (see SLIDE 236) or THOSE LEAVING LANDS/BROTHERS/HOUSES etc. (doing any one of it as stated in Matthew 19:29) which MARK 10:30 adds with PERSECUTIONS (example local CHURCH & non-Christians discriminate you for holding to ANY aspect of CHILIASM PROPHECY because say they’re jealous or don’t agree), then if we turned out right, MARK 10:30 promised HUNDREDFOLD just based on ENDURING PERSECUTIONS likewise too, can you SEE it as IT IS WRITTEN SOLA SCRIPTURA even? So the only way for any other non-Chiliasm Christianity is to be persecuted & be right on their prophecy claims instead of all these (now what are the odds they are right in light of all these evidences presented even from earliest Church History?) Peace 2 u.
Slide 236 in Powerpoint. Can a married person attain to the HUNDREDFOLD? We saw in Slide 235 earlier that Blessed St. Papias’ quote which is NOT his opinion but even Blessed St. Irenaeus of Lyons too mentions clearly that this was TAUGHT by DIRECT DISCIPLES of the BLESSED APOSTLES meaning if anyone differs later, i.e. in any non-Chiliasm position, it could be a sign of JUDGMENT of GOD for departing from TRUE PROPHECY, right? Please read this again (and St. Ireneaous quote for that part is below). Now back to the whether MARRIED persons can attain to HIGHEST HUNDREDFOLD FINAL REWARDS, let’s look at 1 Corinthians 9:5 with CHILIASM CHURCH FATHERS’ surviving writings as follows:
The Fathers of the Third Century
1 Corinthians 9:5
Poor Tertullian is at war with himself in all the works which he indites against Catholic orthodoxy. In the tract De Exhort. Castitatis he gives one construction to 1 Cor. ix. 5, which in this he explains away; 699699 Comp. Ex. Cast., cap. viii. p. 55, supra, with the Monogam., cap. viii. p. 65, supra. and now he patches up his conclusion by referring to his Montanistic “Paraclete.” In fighting Marcion, how thoroughly he agrees with Clement of Alexandria as to the sanctity of marriage. In the second epistle to his wife, how beautiful his tribute to the married state, blessed by the Church, and enjoyed in chastity. But here 700700 Comp. Apparel of Women, ii. cap. ix. p. 23, supra. how fanatically he would make out that marriage is but tolerated adultery! From Tertullian himself we may prove the marriage of the clergy, and that ( de Exhort. Cast., last chapter) abstinence was voluntary and exceptional, however praiseworthy. Also, if he here urges that (cap. 12) even laymen should abstain from second marriages, he allows the liberty of the clergy to marry once. He admits St. Peter’s marriage. Eusebius proves the marriage of St. Jude. Concerning “the grave dignity” of a single marriage, we may concede that Tertullian proves his point, but no further.
…” Source: https://www.catholiccrossreference.online/fathers/index.php/1%20corinthians%209:5
Or https://ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf04.iii.vii.xviii.html
Even the Roman Catholic quote here admits that PRIESTS can be MARRIED and that the CONTEXT of 1 Corinthians 9:5 allows it even at APOSTLES’ “HUNDERDFOLD’s FINEST” LEVEL as a CHOICE according to Writings of Blessed Tertullian, Father of Latin Christianity, Founder of Western Theological Scholarship, CHILIASM CHURCH FATHER(c. 155 AD – c. 240 AD) himself. Done, right? Oh ya even Eusebius proves St. Jude the Apostle was married but surely hundredfold too, right? Do you know that the only quote earlier or same timeline is by St. Clement of Alexandria for 1 Corinthians 9:5 context? If someone says otherwise ask for proof & quote but he is NOT CHILIASM CHURCH FATHER and the later ones just repeat whatever the earlier ones said, right?
READ this (underlined in green above) as PRIESTS (Pastors) are usually HUNDREDFOLD if lived right but Tertullian is referring to CHILASM PROPHECY PRIESTS/PASTORS like him, right? So error if following non-Chiliasm, I don’t know if it qualifies so let GOD Decide, fair, right?
Regarding numbers, remember that Slide 128 earlier gives a prophecy by St. Clement of Rome (Pope Clement I, disciple of Apostle St. Peter) That majority of CHURCH can be in ERROR, e.g. for 1 Corinthians 9:5 here? CHILIASM Prophecy (Slide 235 earlier) says 1. “thirtyfold” (City) 2. Sixtyfold(Paradise) and 3. Hundredfold (Heavens). May God have MERCY. Peace 2 u.
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Image is Slide 237 in Powerpoint. CHILIASM Prophecy Aspect: PROPHECY quotes by CHILIASM & NON-CHILIASM Church Fathers regarding who could be the LOST SHEEP here as POSSIBLE NON-ELECT SALVATION?
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“Shepherd of Hermas” has “another Salvation outside the [Elect] Tower” hence can mean NON-ELECT SALVATION and since St. Ireaneous of Lyons calls the “Shepherd of Hermas” as “Scripture”, and seems to acknowledge this “ELECT TOWER CONCEPT” as per his words earlier in [Page 154 and this quote is in Pages 155 or 905 of the #ChiliasmBook], this context is highly probable, right? Not quoted here due to lack of space. [From Page 223 onward of the #LastBook] using an early Christian-Jewish writing Apocalypse of Abraham for possible NON-ELECT SALVATION saved by fire (1 Corinthians 3:15 link) if this writing is true for this part. Some Fallen Christians and Unbelievers could be “lost sheep” getting same portion on Final New earth only if saved by fire as Luke 12:46 mentions if these quotes combined can mean this [From Page 52 onward of the #ChiliasmBook].
“… THESE ARE THEY WHO HAVE HEARD THE WORD, and WISH TO BE BAPTIZED in the name of the Lord; but when the chastity demanded by the truth comes into their recollection, they draw back, and AGAIN WALK AFTER THEIR OWN WICKED DESIRES.” She FINISHED her EXPOSITION of the TOWER. But I, shameless as I yet was, asked her, “IS REPENTANCE POSSIBLE FOR ALL THOSE STONES WHICH HAVE BEEN CAST AWAY and DID NOT FIT INTO THE BUILDING of the TOWER, AND WILL THEY YET HAVE A PLACE IN THIS TOWER?” “REPENTANCE,” said she, “IS YET POSSIBLE, BUT IN THIS TOWER THEY CANNOT FIND A SUITABLE PLACE. But in another and MUCH INFERIOR PLACE THEY WILL BE LAID, and that, too, ONLY WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN TORTURED AND COMPLETED THE DAYS OF THEIR SINS. And on this account will they be transferred, because they have PARTAKEN of the RIGHTEOUS WORD. And then only will they be removed from their punishments when the THOUGHT of REPENTING of the evil deeds which they have done has come into their hearts. But if it does not come into their hearts, they will not be saved, on account of the hardness of their heart.” …” – Shepherd of Hermas ( (Book I), Vision 3,, Chapter 7) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/02011.htm
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CHILIASM Prophecy Aspect: Who is the SHEEP of the OTHER FOLD? Could it be NON ELECT SALVATION? Image is Slide 238 in Powerpoint . Please see Slide 237 earlier first with early CHRISTIAN PROPHECY quotes by CHILIASM & NON-CHILIASM Church Fathers regarding who could be the LOST SHEEP.
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Almost all of non-Chiliasm Christianity claims it is “Gentile Sheep” while earliest surviving Church Father quotes using that phrase or concept is by CHILIASM Church Fathers St. Justin of Rome (St. Justin Martyr & St. Ireneaous of Lyons) where their combined quote below seems to indicate that the LOST SHEEP is the SHEEP of ANOTHER FOLD and it opens the POSSIBILITY of NON-ELECT SALVATION because the original Koine Greek Bible Word here for Sheep “FOLD” is Sheep “PEN” or “HOUSE” for sheep meaning “different house for sheep” hence ELECT SHEEP gets HEAVEN (notice even “lowest elect reward thirtyfold Christian sheep” gets “lowest heaven new Jerusalem city reward” in final new heaven inheritance as per St. Papias & St. Ireneaous’ identical quote seen in Slide 235 earlier & compare with “saved by fire” case of 1 Corinthians 3:15 with “no” reward as discussed in Slides 223, 224, 227 even with St. Gregory Nazianzus & St. Jerome as St. Ireneaous/St. Justin’s quote didn’t survive for these parts) which can agree to the POSSIBILITY of NON-ELECT SALVATION of being SAVED on that FINAL NEW EARTH as explained in SLIDE 227 as even here St. Ireneaous of Lyons other quote regarding MOST BLESSED LORD JESUS CHRIST Saving the “LOST SHEEP/PERISHED SHEEP” in Slide 237 [Koine Greek Root Words for “LOST/PERISH” is same in case you didn’t know] and CHRIST SAVES ALL LOST SHEEP until HE FINDS it according to LUKE 15:4, Matthew 18:12 or Ezekiel 34:11 is interesting because St. Ireneaous’ quote here implies that SALVATION in SPIRIT WORLD hence could be NON ELECT SALVATION SHEEP on that FINAL EARTH TRANSFERRED from LEFT to RIGHT HAND on JUDGMENT DAY? Some Fallen Christians and Unbelievers could be “lost sheep” getting same portion on Final New earth only if saved by fire as Luke 12:46 mentions if these quotes combined can mean this [From Page 52 onward of the #ChiliasmBook] Chiliasm Fathers St. Irenaeous of Lyons and St. Justin Martyr call the Jew vs Gentile Sheep as “Spotted/Coloured” Sheep instead of Sheep of the ‘’Öther fold” of John 10:16 Let GOD Decide but I present the EVIDENCE HONESTLY which GOD Will UNDERSTAND even if WRONG as I did NOT create ‘church history’. Only “later Church Fathers” mention the usual claim that jew-vs-gentile sheep determines fold vs other fold as I cannot find any Church Fathers in their timeline doing the same. If anyone claims otherwise, please show me with quote & source (i.e. proof, fair & unbiased, right?). Image is [From Page 64 & 155 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]; both quotes here are by CHILIASM CHURCH FATHERS
“… In a foreign country were the twelve tribes born, the race of Israel, inasmuch as Christ was also, in a strange country, to generate the twelve-pillared foundation of the Church. Various colored sheep were allotted to this Jacob as his wages; and the wages of Christ are human beings, who from various and diverse nations come together into one cohort of faith, …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, ‘Against Heresies’, (Book IV, Chapter 21), Points 3-partial) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103421.htm
“… now on the other hand Christ has come to restore both the free sons and the servants among them, conferring the same honour on all of them who keep His commandments; even as the children of the free women and the children of the bond women born to Jacob were all sons, and equal in dignity. And it was foretold what each should be according to rank and according to fore-knowledge. Jacob served Laban for speckled and many-spotted sheep; and Christ served, even to the slavery of the cross, for the various and many-formed races of mankind, acquiring them by the blood and mystery of the cross. …” – Blessed St. Justin of Rome (St. Justin Martyr), a Great Early Christian Apologist who is a Foremost Exponent of the Divine Word, who Influenced Virtually all of subsequent Christian philosophy and Catholic theology, Martyr for Christ, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church (c. 100AD – c. 160 AD, Dialogue with Trypho the Jew, CHAPTER CXXXIV (Chapter 134))Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/01289.htm
“… THESE ARE THEY WHO HAVE HEARD THE WORD, and WISH TO BE BAPTIZED in the name of the Lord; but when the chastity demanded by the truth comes into their recollection, they draw back, and AGAIN WALK AFTER THEIR OWN WICKED DESIRES.” She FINISHED her EXPOSITION of the TOWER. But I, shameless as I yet was, asked her, “IS REPENTANCE POSSIBLE FOR ALL THOSE STONES WHICH HAVE BEEN CAST AWAY and DID NOT FIT INTO THE BUILDING of the TOWER, AND WILL THEY YET HAVE A PLACE IN THIS TOWER?” “REPENTANCE,” said she, “IS YET POSSIBLE, BUT IN THIS TOWER THEY CANNOT FIND A SUITABLE PLACE. But in another and MUCH INFERIOR PLACE THEY WILL BE LAID, and that, too, ONLY WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN TORTURED AND COMPLETED THE DAYS OF THEIR SINS. And on this account will they be transferred, because they have PARTAKEN of the RIGHTEOUS WORD. And then only will they be removed from their punishments when the THOUGHT of REPENTING of the evil deeds which they have done has come into their hearts. But if it does not come into their hearts, they will not be saved, on account of the hardness of their heart.” …” – Shepherd of Hermas ( (Book I), Vision 3,, Chapter 7) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/02011.htm
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Where it began to be known that JESUS is GOD? THE FIRST CHRISTIAN-JEWS. Source Post:
How to Prove to a “Messianic Jew” (Jewish Christian type) that MOST BLESSED LORD JESUS CHRIST is GOD? Did you know that ALL official translations (& paraphrases) from the “Messianic Jewish” camp itself translates JOHN 1:1 as “LORD JESUS (The WORD) as GOD?” Proof below:
1) Messianic Jews’ Bible “English” translation (so done/approved by the best “Jewish Bible Scholars” with the “Most Blessed Holy Spirit” and it cannot be that ‘newer versions in future to correct something which EVERY TRANSLATION listed here has APPROVED namely LORD JESUS CHRIST was WITH GOD and IS GOD at the SAME TIME!):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messianic_Bible_translations
2) Here is John 1:1 from each one on this list with Source (no empty claims):
i) Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
“… 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.2 He was with God in the beginning. …” (John 1:1)
Source:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%201&version=CJB
ii) Tree of Life Version of the Holy Scriptures (TLV)
“… 1In the beginning was the Word. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. …” (John 1:1)
Source: https://www.bible.com/bible/314/JHN.1.TLV
iii) Messianic Jewish Literal Translation of the New Covenant Scriptures (MJLT NCS)
“… In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. …” (Yochanan 1:1)
Source: https://www.mjlt.org/
iv) New Jerusalem Version (NJV)
“… In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word was God. …” (John 1:1)
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7QrVRN7OTQ
v) World Messianic Bible (British Edition)
“… 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. …” (John 1:1)
Source: https://www.bibliatodo.com/en/parallel-bible/?l=john&cap=1&i=en&v=WMBBE&ii=en&vv=NKJV
vi) New Messianic Version Bible
“…1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God-Theos, and the Word was God-Theos. …” (John 1:1)
Source: https://www.bible.com/bible/2135/JHN.1.NMV
vii) Orthodox Jewish Bible
“… 1 Bereshis (in the Beginning) was the Dvar Hashem [YESHAYAH 55:11; BERESHIS 1:1], and the Dvar Hashem was agav (along with) Hashem [MISHLE 8:30; 30:4], and the Dvar Hashem was nothing less, by nature, than Elohim! [Psa 56:11(10); Yn 17:5; Rev. 19:13. … 14 And the Dvar Hashem took on gufaniyut (corporeality) and made his sukkah, his Mishkan (Tabernacle) among us [YESHAYAH 7:14], and we [Shlichim, 1Y 1:1-2] gazed upon his Kavod [SHEMOT 33:18; 40:34; YESHAYAH 60:1-2], the Shechinah of the Ben Yachid from Elohim HaAv, full of Hashem’s Chesed v’Emes. …” (John 1:1, 14)
Source: https://biblehub.com/ojb/john/1.htm
viii) The Living Scriptures
“… 1 1-2 Before anything else existed,[a] there was Christ, with God. He has always been alive and is himself God. …”
Source: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%201%3A1-14&version=TLB
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A CHILIASM CHURCH Father and one of the greatest JEWISH Bishops after the time of the apostles who also acknowledge LORD JESUS CHRIST as GOD. To quote (Example):
“… [a.d. 160-170-177.] Melito may have been the immediate successor of the “angel” (or “apostle”) of the church of Sardis, to whom our Great High Priest addressed one of the apocalyptic messages. He was an “Apostolic Father” in point of fact; he very probably knew the blessed Polycarp and his disciple Irenaeus. He is justly revered for the diligence with which he sought out the evidence which, in his day, established the Canon of the Old Testament, then just complete …”
Source: https://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/melito.html
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Slide 240. #CHILIASM #CONCLUSION: The #First #Christians. #Free Powerpoint Link:
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If people ask me which #CHRISTIANITY I would love to fellowship with most, I would say a #TRINITARIAN and #CHILIASM type as isn’t it strange that even earliest known #CHURCH #HISTORY records for example Blessed St. #Melito of Sardis who was a “J#EWISH” by race and Bishop who succeeded the CHURCH at SARDIS to whom one of the “Book of Revelation” letter was given for correction of Doctrine (e.g. Revelation 3:1) was both TRINITARIAN & believed in CHILIASM as even the non-Chiliasm ——> Church Father St. #Jerome of the Vulgate who studied his writing said Tertullian and others even consider St. Melito a PROPHET and notice even St. Polycarp or other CHILIASM Fathers before him such as St. #Irenaeus of Lyons,St. #Justin Martyr, St. #Papias, #Tertullian etc. are listed in his famous book titled “Illustrious Men” , link (if keen): https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/2708.htm and even the “#Catholic Encyclopedia” (though they may not release all writings) admits that St. Melito was a CHILIASM Church Father and even Sir Isaac #Newton (one of the greatest #Mathematician and #Physicist etc.) was right on this point when he studied ancient Church History and realized that earliest CHRISTIANS (e.g. St. Melito of Sardis, St. Justin of Rome (St. Justin Martyr), St. Ireneaous of Lyons etc. were ALL of CHILIASM #PROPHECY type (and that’s my answer to WHETHER all these CHRISTIANS had the #HOLY #SPIRIT or were SPIRIT-LED but whether I am quoting them right, is open to debate as I present the #EVIDENCE honestly in earlier slides but can you prove your view with them, why not, fair, right?). Peace 2 u.
From Slide 241 in Powerpoint. Appendix: An Interesting Summary in full by one of the GREATEST DISCOVERER in MATH and SCIENCE without which we would NOT even have say CALCULUS (Higher Math begins with this) or even all the Newtonian LAWS of PHYSICS etc. none of the than Sir Isaac Newton who can #ERR in #DOCTRINE being #human but CHURCH HISTORY quotes are INDEPENDENT of him and REMAINS #TRUE whether or NOT we LIE or HIDE CHILIASM HISTORY, right? That’s what I #RESPECT about him, HONESTY ( Can you see ALL the BIG CHILIASM NAMES I quoted in earlier Powerpoint Slides? Best is it remains true even if I did NOT quote it NOR knew about it, right?), to quote next.
Image is Slide 241 in Powerpoint. #Appendix: An #Interesting #Summary in full by one of the #GREATEST #DISCOVERER in #MATH and #SCIENCE without which we would NOT even have say #CALCULUS (Higher Math begins with this) or even all the Newtonian #LAWS of #PHYSICS etc. none of the than #Sir Isaac #Newton who can #ERR in #DOCTRINE being #human but #CHURCH #HISTORY quotes are #INDEPENDENT of him and REMAINS #TRUE whether or NOT we #LIE or #HIDE #CHILIASM HISTORY, right? That’s what I #RESPECT about him, #HONESTY ( Can you see ALL the #BIG CHILIASM NAMES I quoted in earlier Powerpoint #Slides? Best is it remains true even if I did NOT quote it NOR knew about it, right?),
“… JUSTIN MARTYR, who within thirty years after JOHN’S death became a CHRISTIAN, writes expressly that a certain man among the Christians whose name was John, one of the twelve Apostles of Christ, in the Revelation which was shewed him, prophesied that those who believed in Christ should live a thousand years at Jerusalem. And a few lines before he saith: But I, and as many as are Christians, in all things right in their opinions, believe both that there shall be a resurrection of the flesh, and a thousand years life at Jerusalem built, adorned and enlarged. Which is as much as to say, that all true CHRISTIANS in that early age received this Prophecy: for in all ages, as many as believed the thousand years, received the APOCALYPSE as the foundation of their opinion: and I do not know one instance to the contrary. PAPIAS Bishop of HIERAPOLIS, a man of the Apostolic age, and one of JOHN S own disciples, did not only teach the doctrine of the thousand years, but also l asserted the APOCALYPSE as written by divine inspiration. MELITO who flourished next after JUSTIN, 2 wrote a commentary upon this Prophecy ; and he, being Bishop of SARDIS one of the seven Churches, could neither be ignorant of their tradition about it, nor impose upon them. IRENAEUS, who was contemporary with MELITO, wrote much upon it, and said, that the number 666 was in all the antient and approved copies; and that he had it also confirmed to him by those who had seen John face to face, meaning no doubt his master POLYCARP for one. At the same time 1 THEOPHILUS Bishop of ANTIOCH asserted it, and so did TERTULLIAN, CLEMENS ALEXANDRINUS, and ORIGEN soon after ; and their contemporary HIPPOLYTUS the Martyr, Metro politan of the ARABIANS (HIERON), wrote a commentary upon it. All these were antient men, flourishing within a hundred and twenty years after JOHN S death, and of greatest note in the Churches of those times. Soon after did VICTORINUS PICTAVIENSIS write another commentary upon it; and he lived in the time of DIOCLESIAN. This may surely suffice to shew how the APOCALYPSE was received and studied in the first ages : and I do not indeed find any other book of the New Testament so strongly attested, or commented upon so early as this. The Prophecy said: Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this Prophecy, and keep the things which are written therein. This animated the first CHRISTIANS to study it so much, till the difficulty made them remit, and comment more upon the other books of the New Testa ment. This was the state of the APOCALYPSE, till the thousand years being misunderstood, brought a prejudice against it: and DIONYSIUS of ALEXANDRIA, noting how it abounded with barbarisms, that is with HEBRAISMS, promoted that prejudice so far, as to cause many GREEKS in the fourth century to doubt of the book. But whilst the LATINS, and a great part of the GREEKS, always retained the APOCALYPSE, and the rest doubted only out of prejudice, it makes nothing against its authority. …” (Sir Isaac Newton’s Daniel and the Apocalypse with an introductory study of the nature and the cause of unbelief, of miracles and prophecy, by Sir William Whitla; 1922; Murray, London, pp. 300, 303-304)
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Slide 242 in Powerpoint: Logic of Contentment Doctrine. Faith and Money link: Guess the “#ProsperityGospel” or “#LawofAttraction” did not work for #VincentVanGogh. Did you know that his father was a #Reformed Church #Pastor? (founded by Blessed John #Calvin type – quote below later)? Thoughts to Ponder (Analogy across different fields):
i) Notice how many “art teachers” in comparison run “art schools” and make more money than him “in relative measure” without ever producing a “world class art painting worth millions, right”?
Art is not needed for “survival in real life” but nobody complains about it like they do about “math in school” even though Math is actually used in real life but it’s “hidden” & they cannot see & needful technologies could only be created with it. Can you “see” it?
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ii) Notice how many “music teachers” in comparison run “music schools or are professors” and make more money than him “in relative measure” without ever producing a “world class hit song worth millions, right”?
iii) Notice how many “bible teachers or pastors” in comparison run “prosperity gospel churches” and make more money than him “in relative measure” unless doctrinally they must be “right” that much, one day we will know but comparing with #CHILIASM quotes, looks scary, right?
Why? The Bible is always right as it is “Probability” (“Time & Chance” and GOD Ordained it like that) according to Ecclesiastes 9:11 as explained in Slide 218 earlier (special cases are there but this is the “general rule” for life) and “contentment” doctrine without which even “faith or #Godliness or #Holiness” has “little to no” value as the Bible Warned in 1 Timothy 6:5 – 6 & GOD Judges it by “#CHARITY #DOCTRINE” Lifestyle by “Relative Measure” of what one has in “#Riches” lived for “Eternal Life” Fruit” as 1 Timothy 6:17 – 19 or Luke 10:25 – 37 or remember the “#Rich Man in #Hell in Luke 16:19 – 31 as CHRIST Taught as it is Written that the reason is NOT doing CHARITY DOCTRINE enough as EVEN #RICH #ABRAHAM Taught (meaning he did it) —> please read “… But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. …” (Luke 16:25) as CHRIST cannot be teaching this meaning and then meaning something “hidden” which is NOT Written, misleading his “simple faith hearers etc.”, right?
He must have been a #BigSinner or #small #faith by “#their #logic. If it was #lousy, why is he one of the #best #artists of #alltime but only after his #death? Similarly the value of our faith and #belief #accuracy is determined by #GOD Alone in another World for as level of Final #Resurrection #Body #Glory as #Daniel 12:3 #Prophesied in regards to “#Wise” vs “#convert others to #righteousness (#Holiness) part which only shines lower levels as the #Stars as I mentioned many times as #Church #Fathers taught likewise too (Please see powerpoint and free pdfs) and if the #Bible compares so must we, right?. Example quote:
“… Vincent Van Gogh was born the second of six children into a religious Dutch Reformed Church family in the south of the Netherlands. His father, Theodorus Van Gogh, was a clergyman and his mother, Anna Cornelia Carbentus, was the daughter of a bookseller. Van Gogh exhibited unstable moods during his childhood, and showed no early inclination toward art-making, though he excelled at languages while attending two boarding schools. In 1868, he abandoned his studies and never successfully returned to formal schooling. … In his lifetime, Van Gogh created 900 paintings and made 1,100 drawings and sketches, but only sold one painting during his career. With no children of his own, most of Van Gogh’s works were left to brother Theo. …”
Source: https://www.theartstory.org/artist/van-gogh-vincent/
Unfairness in this life, i.e. “persecuted for righteousness” is rewarded in the “Kingdom of Heaven” (notice the word “persecuted”) as CHRIST Taught in Matthew 5:10 so all is fair always.
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Slide 243 in Powerpoint – God’s Will for Money.
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#Comedy #Time = #ProsperityGospel . Example: None of those who heard #CHRIST during His #Sermon on “#Abundant #Life” started claiming “#Faith for #Money” things nor got “#rich after that #Preaching. Lord #Jesus is talking #Mystically about #Abundant #Spiritual #Life (John 10) regardless of outward #Finance especially to convert it to #Treasure in #Heaven for the #Heart will be where the #Treasure is (Luke 12:30 – 34).
Notice CHRIST never said you can have treasure on earth and heaven but only one place (we have to choose how much to convert “treasure on earth” to “treasure in heaven” only via “Charity Doctrine” – if there was another way CHRIST Would have Said it & no need this way); losses are eternal. Can you #See it?
Slide 143 – 145 (Abundant Life Discussion).
Slides 202 to 211 regarding God’s Finance Will with “#Bible Verses” (example: can you do the opposite namely show how God’s Finance Will is “enjoy life with prosperity without CHARITY DOCTRINE by RELATIVE MEASURE?” Which Verse? Never build a life without God’s Word from the New Testament).
Slide 242 – Luke 16:19 – 31 in CHRIST Own Words Prove that even “#Rich #Abraham” did CHARITY DOCTRINE and that’s why GOD used him to remind the “rich men who go to hell type” (which is a REAL STORY & not parable only, 2nd meaning can be true) as Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons also affirmed [see Page 469 of the #DoctrineBook] that ‘Abraham is a type of rich man who was known for comforting the POOR like LAZARUS with his OWN MONEY & that’s why HADES/SHEOL’s comfort region is called ABRAHAM’s BOSOM & WHY GOD CHOSE Abraham in the FIRST place is because he did CHARITY DOCTRINE to CHRIST itself in GENESIS WITHOUT KNOWING even [see Page 38/39 onward of the #DoctrineBook for St. Ireneaous of Lyon’s quote for Abraham] & hence the GREATEST PROMISE of SONS of FAITH will be like him for HEAVENS through CHRIST was given as many Church Father taught too (e.g. [From Page 199, 346, 351, 366, 535, onward of the #BibleandChurchFathersQuoteBook].
Romans 12:12 – 13 teaches NOT just to pray but also do CHARITY DOCTRINE (both needed for complete obedience of John 14:15’s Love of God & Sign of Holy Spirit which is ability to obey) as John 14:15 – 18 means. So do we have the HOLY SPIRIT without obeying all these Verses? (God have Mercy).
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What #Doctrines matter for #ELECT #SALVATION? With Blessed St. #Irenaeus of Lyons (#CHILIASM Aspect)
1) Contrary to popular scare SLIDES 157 & 158 already prove with Blessed #Prophet #Ezra whom #GOD used to rewrite entire lost #Jewish #Canon that even “#non-Elect Salvation to #Universalism requests” does NOT make one #unsaved and in fact GOD was #IMPRESSED by it as Book of #Esdras (Ezra in full) Reveals.
2) #CHARITY DOCTRINE is a must by #RELATIVE #MEASURE as even SLIDE 243 or earlier ones reveal as proof of #LOVE of GOD & #FINANCIAL #HOLINESS (Slide 211)
3) St. Ireneaous of Lyons’ Quotes below prove these claims in a way [Image is Slide 244 in Powerpoint]
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[From Page 38/39 onward of the #DoctrineBook]
Those who are racist, full of nepotism and also do not practice justice (apart from holiness doctrine) especially in the CONTEXT of CHARITY DOCTRINE in regard to GIVING MONEY to the POOR/NEIGHBOURS for their BENEFIT by RELATIVE MEASURE where PERFECTION is GIVING ALL (like the Blessed Apostles & Church Fathers did FOLLOWING AFTER CHRIST’s OWN COMMAND for PERFECTION*) will NOT become ELECT SALVATION for HEAVEN according to St. Irenaeous of Lyons (not me) in his quote below:
“… And the prophet declares, Circumcise the hardness of your heart. But the Sabbaths taught that we should continue day by day in God’s service. For we have been counted, says the Apostle Paul, all the day long as sheep for the slaughter; Romans 8:36 that is, consecrated [to God], and ministering continually to our faith, and persevering in it, and abstaining from all avarice, and not acquiring or possessing treasures upon earth. Matthew 6:19 Moreover, the Sabbath of God (requietio Dei), that is, the kingdom, was, as it were, indicated by created things; in which [kingdom], the man who shall have persevered in serving God (Deo assistere) shall, in a state of rest, partake of God’s table. …Moreover, all the rest of the multitude of those righteous men who lived before Abraham, and of those patriarchs who preceded Moses, were justified independently of the things above mentioned, and without the law of Moses. As also Moses himself says to the people in Deuteronomy: The Lord your God formed a covenant in Horeb. The Lord formed not this covenant with your fathers, but for you. Deuteronomy 5:2 … as also Moses says in Deuteronomy: And fed you with manna, which your fathers did not know, that you might know that man does not live by bread alone; but by every word of God proceeding out of His mouth does man live. Deuteronomy 8:3 And it enjoined love to God, and taught just dealing towards our neighbour, that we should neither be unjust nor unworthy of God, who prepares man for His friendship through the medium of the Decalogue, and likewise for agreement with his neighbour — matters which did certainly profit man himself; God, however, standing in no need of anything from man. …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, Against Heresies (Book 4(IV), Chapter 16, Points 1,2,3 – highlighted))
Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103416.htm
Highlight that keeping the 10 Commandments (except the Sabbath which does NOT apply to us Gentile believers), i.e. keeping the Decalogue alone is NOT enough for Elect Salvation as some Protestantism errs but we also need to have WORTHY DEALINGS with OUR NEIGHBOUR meaning NO RACISM, NO NEPOTISM etc. for example, do you pay your own race more salary or keep quiet when you receive more salary than another due to racial factors (all other skill level of a person of equal calibre held constant)? I put this simple “salary example” to show how WIDESPREAD and FAKE people are and NO ONE CAN PARTAKE of CHRISTIAN ELECT SALVATION with this as St. Irenaeous’ quote reveals here too.
[From Page 469 onward of the #DoctrineBook] St. Ireneaous of Lyons confirming that this STORY of the RICH MAN and LAZARUS is NOT a parable and it REALLY HAPPENED, to quote:
“… 1. The Lord has taught with very great fullness… — in that narrative which is recorded respecting the rich man and that Lazarus who found repose in the bosom of Abraham. In this account He states Luke 16:19, etc. that Dives knew Lazarus after death, and Abraham in like manner, and that each one of these persons continued in his own proper position, and that [Dives] requested Lazarus to be sent to relieve him — [Lazarus], on whom he did not [formerly] bestow even the crumbs [which fell] from his table… moreover, that the gift of prophecy was possessed by Abraham, and that each class [of souls] receives a habitation such as it has deserved, even before the judgment.…” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, Against Heresies (Book 2(II), Chapter 34, Point 1)
Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103234.htm
Even if say #Lazarus and #Rich #Man Story is a “#Parable” (that did not really happen) regardless a Parable cannot use #imaginary things meaning both the literal and parable meaning must be correct. Hence the literal meaning of such a place for #Hell and the reason why one goes there must be true as well regardless. Notice these #quotes #EXIST# WITHOUT #ME even. Peace to you
True Freedom of Religion: To Convert or Not? In a “fair” turf where everybody can convert into any religion without fear of risk of losing “family, job opportunity, business chances etc.” due to “unwritten human nepotism”, are you sure your religion would have as many converts as it has now or lesser? Let God show it One Day, fair, right? Image is Slide 245 in Powerpoint;
Example Song below doesn’t seem right (though it has a singer with great vocal & musical skills which is a different aspect – in image):
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Song itself does NOT respect religions which teach to convert. Proper meaning if really respecting others should be:
1) Don’t comment on other religions and beliefs at all (that’s what I follow); if someone from my religion so called Christian does not follow that, that’s not me as I follow the rule NOT to comment on other religions etc. as per 1 Corinthians 5:9 – 13 (Slide 183 & Slide 206 in Powerpoint if keen).
2) If someone wants to convert to another religion, let them do so & don’t discriminate them nor call them betrayer of own race etc. or sing a song to ridicule those who convert right? Doesn’t believing in “Freedom of Religion” or “humanity” beyond words include “supporting” those who “teach to convert to other religion” as well, right?
3) If someone converts to another religion, don’t discriminate them in family, job, homeland privileges etc. Only then one can call themselves as “human”, fair, right?
4) The only way to promote one’s religion would be “who does more good to people of different religions and NOT toward those of same race, religion, family only, fair, right?” If not, what’s the point of a selfish religion which only teaches to care for same race, religion, family only? Proof of it is action not words for example from simplest thing like “how much of personal income/possessions have we shared or given to those of DIFFERENT race, religion, family?” to bigger things like say in one’s homeland or places where one’s religion is majority again “how many people of those of DIFFERENT race, religion, family earn a living & live better off than their living standards/income from country of origin even?”
If we can do the above, then we can call ourselves “human” and the rest is just empty drama & just good for entertainment but plain hypocrisy as well, fair, right? True Religion is BOTH Holiness + Charity Doctrine (James 1:27). Peace to you
“#Time and #Chance” Example (Ecclesiastes 9:11). Being a “#Genius” or “#Academically #Gifted” does not necessarily mean “#Good #Character” (same #analogy can be applied to any other field be it #arts or #music etc.).
Please notice that this is “not” some local #Degree/#Masters/#PhD “level” but a “WORLD CLASS” (example: How many of the BEST “#Professors” say in Math or other field from your #race/#country will have even their PHD recognized as a ‘#real pHD’ or ‘their degree/masters or more importantly not paper qualification but #ABILITY to match this #MURDERER even (but #GOD did “not” stop him from attaining that part, right? so “Time and Chance” is to make #FREEWILL within BOUNDS as #REAL). “#Unabomber Case”.
#ATTITUDE is way MORE IMPORTANT than any #TALENT. Remember “Unabomber” was a “#HARVARD #MATH PROFESSOR” (a technical field and not some “#opinion” fields of study – can you see it?) Scary, right? Example: Did you know that Titus 3:14 reads that WITHOUT CHARITY DOCTRINE type of GOOD WORK of MEETING URGENT NEEDS (not prosperity lifestyle) is considered UNFRUITFUL (Original Koine Greek Word which links to “know them by their fruits” in Matthew 7:13 – 20 and Luke 3:9 as shown in Slide earlier too and which was also the SIN of SODOM (Ezekiel 16:49) as well. Can you really see it “as it is Written”?
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By God’s Grace, I was honoured to conduct Wedding Vows for Dominic and Sharmilla on 6 April 2024 . May their have a Blessed Married Life in Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ. YouTube Link:
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Slide 247. Can a divorced remarry? Part 1 (Aim: Using this Topic to study whether the MOST BLESSED HOLY SPIRIT of GOD is with which CHURCH? (e.g. ROMAN CATHOLICS, ORTHODOX or PROTESTANTS be it REFORMED, PENTECOSTAL, METHODIST, LUTHERAN etc. because a CHRISTIAN with the HOLY SPIRIT can ERR on DOCTRINE which leads to loss of rewards only but he CANNOT err on a DOCTRINE which LEADS to ETERNAL HELL such as “possible ADULTERY”, right? (John 16:13)
Please read “Scary Position’s bolded words link from Luke 16:18 to 1 Corinthians 6:9 – 10” below to understand as the link is majority of CHRISTIANS OATH their belief to one of these denominations meaning ROMANS 1:32 already WARNED that not only those who do it but also those who approve it are condemned, right?
Notice you CANNOT argue that YOUR DENOMINATION can be WRONG on this TOPIC and say the HOLY SPIRIT was with them as the SPIRIT CANNOT lead to a DOCTRINE of ADULTERY, right? I present the EVIDENCE in SLIDE 246 onward; please read first. Also what if “shall not inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Corinthians 6:9 – 11) means CANNOT ENTER HEAVEN as per REVELATION 21:27 but MAYBE be SAVED on that FINAL NEW EARTH as REVELATION 21:24 – 26 records for if all nations saved after Judgment Day’s Book of Life is revealed in Revelation 21:24 enters heaven, then no need for gate to filter them, right?
Please see some POSSIBILITIES (not doctrine) as not fully sure but I PRESENT the EVIDENCE in SLIDES 222 – 230 or 235 – 238 earlier. Please read first because it may be DIFFERENT from what you think, so DO NOT assume yet).
1) I am going to call this the Scary Position
“… In the Gospel of Mark, Jesus says “Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she commits adultery.”[5][6] The Gospel of Luke adds that those who marry divorced persons also commit adultery, as recorded in Luke 16;18.[7] 1 Corinthians 6:9–10[8] states that adulterers “shall not inherit the kingdom of God”.[5] The only lawful ground for divorce available to the innocent spouse is fornication, or adultery, on the part of the guilty mate, as recorded in Matthew 19:9.[9] Nevertheless, The Shepherd of Hermas, an early Christian work on the subject, teaches that while fornication is the only reason that divorce can ever be permitted, remarriage with another person is forbidden to allow repentance and reconciliation of the husband and wife (those who refuse to forgive and receive their spouse are guilty of a grave sin).[1] This Christian teaching is echoed in 1 Corinthians 7:10–11,[10] which forbids divorce and states that those spouses who have deserted their husband/wife should return their partner; if that is absolutely impossible, the husband and wife should remain chaste.[1] …”
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2) If the original marriage was a CHRISTIAN WEDDING,
i) then REMARRIAGE AFTER DIVORCE is NOT allowed in the Roman Catholic Church at all generally (unless marriage was non-canonical so annulment rare-scenarios) and neither was allowed by the ANGLICAN CHURCHES only until about 2002 officially (strange, right?) or some rare Methodists or protestant-breakaways etc. .
ii) then REMARRIAGE AFTER DIVORCE is ALLOWED in SOME CIRCUMSTANCES in the ORTHODOX CHURCH such as the most famous case of the INNOCENT PARTY in ADULTERY-DIVORCE can REMARRY according to even MARTIN LUTHER (First Protestant), JOHN CALVIN (Founder of REFORMED CHURCHES), JOHN WESLEY (Main Founder of METHODIST CHURCHES), CHURCH of CHRIST and ALMOST ALL “Speaking in tongues” PENTECOSTAL Churches including the ASSEMBLIES of GOD (AOG).
3) If the original marriage was a NON-CHRISTIAN WEDDING (example both persons were UNBAPTIZED and married in the name of foreign gods and NOT CHRIST), the “PAULINE PRIVELEGE” theology may ALLOW such a DIVORCED to REMARRY under CERTAIN CONDITIONS which is the stance of ALL Roman Catholics, ALL Orthodox, ALMOST ALL Protestants & we can say even up to possibly 90% to 99% of CHRISTIANS today EXCEPT VERY FEW do NOT allow this even whose quotes include in ANCIENT TIMES CHILIASM FATHERS of the CHURCH (strange, right?)
In next slides I will show you proof quotes for each claim made. Remember, please read first!
Who do I follow? The Blessed CHILIASM Fathers of the CHURCH which I feel is safest & risk-free. If a divorced person really needs to remarry by “God’s Will”, then best way would be GOD Himself would make the WRONG-DIVORCED-SPOUSE DEAD naturally (no murder) so the INNOCENT-DIVORCED one can REMARRY if really that innocent, right?
Can a divorced remarry? Part 2 SAMPLE PROOFS for the CLAIM in part 2i) earlier namely DIVORCED-CHRISTIANS-CANNOT REMARRY under any CIRCUMSTANCES as long as the divorced party is alive (of course can remarry if widow or widower). Remember it does NOT matter which sources are quoted as long is it is correct (if you say it’s unreliable, please provide proof or refrain because speaking without evidence may break one of the 10 Commandments of bearing a “false witness”). No one can be condemned for presenting EVIDENCE as that’s HONESTY especially when already explaining this part.
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Real Last Slide 259 in Powerpoint – #Doctrine & #Church History – “#Why?” is this important?
It is Written that #GOD is NOT the AUTHOUR of #CONFUSION (1 Corinthians 14:33) and we are to “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, “ (2 Timothy 2:15) so that our life is NOT spent wasted on “#prosperity/worldly pursuits without #CHARITY DOCTRINE to match it meaning given more, more required without which is #SERIOUS #SIN (Ezekiel 16:49)?” (remember Slide 246 earlier?).
Our life focus should be to “#contend earnestly for the #faith which was once for all delivered to the #saints.” (Jude 1:3) so how can that FAITH #CHANGE so much in 2000 years across so many #denominations? For example, the 100 year plus year old newest “#Pentecostal” denominations has most number or #variations of doctrine so isn’t that “#confusion”?
We can escape only if we can prove our doctrine or “#possibilities which exists unless we claim to “know it all” 100% which is a #prideful position”. Some errors lead to #loss of #salvation while some to loss of #rewards. Let God have #Mercy on whomever He Wills.
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To claim one doesn’t believe “#Church #History” is a “#Comedy position” & an insult to God for then God has NO #sovereignty for first 1500 years when the stance was the same as per the example in this “Divorce after remarriage”? (recent Slides 247 to 258).
Error in doctrine can only be corrected if it can be proven that the “#First Christians” [those earlier in time] did “not” do/believe something or “did/believe” in something which today was modified; God allows anyone to modify to allow “#freewill” which will be judged accordingly either as “loss of salvation” [Hebrews 10:26 – 31] or “loss of rewards” [Matthew 5:19 – 20] depending on the Topic which only God can Decide but our duty is to present the EVIDENCE (e.g. Church History Quotes) and NOT read from “own understanding” [risky] NOR claim the Most Blessed #HOLY #SPIRIT told me for which must be 100% correct to respect Him 100% [or if not JUDGED everlastingly/Olam as WARNED in Jeremiah 23 as per LAST SLIDE 213 earlier or some denied as #LAWLESS in the GREAT Denial Matthew 7:20 – 23 or even unforgiven for blasphemy against the HOLY SPIRIT which is “speaking anything AGAINST Him” which includes “simply quoting Him on our errors (if we turn out wrong), right?” Matthew 12:30 – 32). If I quote “Church History” and was “wrong” in any “possibility of doctrine” presented, I can claim #HONESTY and NOT bear false witness [Exodus 20:16] because it’s based on “WITNESS” [which here is “MAINSTREAM CHURCH HISTORY” quotes/interpretation] and even to the point of PROPHECY if claimed as OWN ORACLE like this can be #FORGIVEN even if WRONG as GOD HIMSELF allowed in Jeremiah 23:36 so NO CONDEMNATION and a #RESPONSIBLE PREACHING of the GOSPEL is DONE.
Those who are more right in doctrine & prophecy interpretation etc. will SHINE like #HEAVENS in FINAL #RESURRECTION BODY GLORY which is way greater than even #CONVERTING MANY into BASIC RIGHTEOUSNESS type of CHRISTIANITY as DANIEL 12:3 has already #PROPHESIED (and Church Fathers) quote it likewise too.
Please read the Powerpoint and free PDFS/Books carefully as more quotes & topics are there before accusing anything as it could be #DIFFERENT from what you ASSUME too (John 7:51). Best is, even as it is I am a WORSE #SINNER than you, these QUOTES are mostly by CHURCH FATHERS #HOLIER than ANYONE in YOUR DENOMINATIONS too and they EXIST #WITHOUT ME EVEN, so does my sins/faults disprove anything? Can you do the #same with Church History for your claims?
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#Disturbing #Christian #Facts – Even views regarding #Justification we #vary so much – so which did #GOD #Teach? If it’s the latest ones, so did those Christians who #existed #before that #denomination existed went to #hell? If they are #saved, then only #rewards differ, right? #Difficult, isn’t it? #Point #proven.
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Final P/S: How to do SPIRITUAL STATISTICS? Example with “Justification” Doctrine and Pentecostal Christianity (proof of human freewill in all of it). Slide 260 in Powerpoint. Why didn’t I list “Pentecostal” Churches’ view above? Because it varies so much that it can be a mix of any of the above depending on which “pastor” you listen to. #Disturbing #Christian #Facts – Even views regarding #Justification we #vary so much – so which did #GOD #Teach? If it’s the latest ones, so did those Christians who #existed #before that #denomination existed went to #hell? If they are #saved, then only #rewards differ, right? #Difficult, isn’t it? #Point #proven.
Why didn’t I list “Pentecostal” Churches’ view here? Because it varies so much that it can be a mix of any of the above depending on which “pastor” you listen to. Method of Research: It’s kind of like “spiritual statistics” where to understand a “Christian population”, we study “samples” which here are “mainstream denominations” (not cults). Example: even if say “speaking in tongues type they do” is true they are still false teachers because Bible already said that NOT “all” (Christians) speak in tongues in 1 Corinthians 12:30 & so Pentecostal position that it’s connected to salvation is false as CHRISTIANS can be SAVED without THE REAL SPEAKING in TONGUES even while here we DO NOT even know if it is REAL or not. Also each Pentecostal Bible school or breakaways makes a “pentecostal pastor” out of that even by getting such a serious doctrine wrong, can you see it? That’s why as I said all these God allowed by “freewill” & each is accountable before God & we know each Christian can have doctrinal error but we respect more those who are “more right” such as CHILIASM CHURCH FATHERS etc.) and I consider each doctrine personally.
Final P/S part 2: Slide 261 in Powerpoint. Would you risk ETERNAL “loss of rewards” vs “loss of Salvation” in regard to all these aspects as even shown within these powerpoint slides (more in free pdf books)? NOT me. As Blessed St. Clement of Rome (Pope Clement I for Roman Catholics) has PROPHESIED (please see Slide 128 earlier) that MAJORITY of CHRISTIANS can be WRONG so for me I follow CHILIASM CHURCH FATHERS especially St. Ireneaous of Lyons & St. Justin of Rome for parts of writing which survived of course with Bible Verses. Problem: Everyone claims to use the Bible but say opposite things, right? It is WRITTEN that GOD is NOT the AUTHOUR of CONFUSION (1 Corinthians 14:33).
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There are varied topics but I show ONLY on one TOPIC which AFFECTS SALVATION which is CHARITY DOCTRINE below vs Pentecostal Gift claims. Problem: Pentecostals are overly hyped up about “Speaking in Tongues or miracles or other gifts” which have have NOTHING to do WITH SALVATION ONLY REWARD as 1 Corinthians 12:30 already PROVE. Remove these “gifts” aspect & there is NO Pentecostal Christianity, can you see it? In case you don’t understand, here’s the equation:
(any classical christian position) + (pentecostal gift claims) = (charismatic Christianity)
Examples:
(Roman Catholic) + (pentecostal gift claims) = (Charismatic Roman Catholic)
(Lutheran) + (pentecostal gift claims) = (Charismatic Lutheran)
(Methodist) + (pentecostal gift claims) = (Charismatic Methodist) etc.
(No classical denomination) + (pentecostal gift claims) = (Pentecostal Christianity)
Problem: CHARITY DOCTRINE has to do with SALVATION but many in modern Christianity especially protestants be it pentecostal Christianity or otherwise don’t understand nor emphasize it much (remember JUDGMENT DAY Verses in Matthew 25:31 – 46 or Rich Man & Lazarus in Luke 16:19 – 31?) but usually is thought of as a “reward-context” (true also) but FEW REALIZE & TEACH it in SANCTIFICATION CONTEXT (meaning risking HELL or loss of rewards, let GOD DECIDE that part as shown in free books/powerpoint with Bible Verses + Church Father quotes – can you really see it?). Examples below from Holy Scripture: Three or more ETERNALLY DAMNABLE SINS but GOD GAVE ONE SOLUTION for SANTIFICATION FRUIT (so am I a false teacher or preaching something not affecting eternity?):
1) Pride of King Nebuchadnezzar —> Solution is CHARITY DOCTRINE by Prophet Daniel 4:27
2) Covetous don’t inherit Kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9 – 11) such as Sodom which loved “prosperity & idleness” —> Solution is CHARITY DOCTRINE by Prophet Ezekiel 16:49
3)Outward Holiness but inward wickedness & self-indulgence or prosperity loving
—-> Solution taught by Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ Directly is CHARITY DOCTRINE (Luke 11:39 – 45) or CHARITY DOCTRINE also by Apostle St. Paul for “Spiritual Purification/Sanctification” (in Acts 24:17).
Prophesy “who hit you types of things (message from weird phone numbers) checking if I can detect who is it?” which they did to CHRIST (Matthew 26:68) as though “your prophet from any religion” can detect if it’s done back to them likewise (silly) and DO NOT TEST GOD (Matthew 4:7). Based on all these Bible Verses + CHILIASM Church History, who is teaching RISKY DOCTRINES?
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There are many “Professors” of “Literature” in many “languages” but I know “not” of any who have “Written” say a “story book” with such “feel” such as Professor C S Lewis who wrote the “Chronicles of Narnia” which also became a hit movie apart from JRR Tolkien’s Lord of the rings as well. Here are other interesting facts about C S Lewis which you may not know:
1) C S Lewis was an classical “Anglican”
“… According to Lewis’s 1955 memoir Surprised by Joy, he was baptized in the Church of Ireland but fell away from his faith during adolescence. Lewis returned to Anglicanism at the age of 32, owing to the influence of Tolkien and other friends, and he became an “ordinary layman of the Church of England”. …”
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._S._Lewis
2) C S Lewis DID NOT believe in NON-HUMAN LANGUAGE Pentecostal “Speaking in tongues”
“… From his (CS Lewis’) essay Transposition:
On the one hand, glossolalia has remained an intermittent “variety of religious experience” down to the present day. Every now and then we hear that in some revivalist meeting one or more of those present has burst into a torrent of what appears to be gibberish. The thing does not seem to be edifying, and all non-Christian opinion would regard it as a kind of hysteria, an involuntary discharge of nervous excitement. A good deal even of Christian opinion would explain most instances of it in exactly the same way; and I must confess that it would be very hard to believe that in all instances of it the Holy Ghost is operating. We suspect, even if we cannot be sure, that it is usually an affair of the nerves. That is one horn of the dilemma. On the other hand, we cannot as Christians shelve the story of Pentecost or deny that there, at any rate, the speaking with tongues was miraculous. For the men spoke not gibberish but languages unknown to them though known to other people present. And the whole event of which this makes part is built into the very fabric of the birth-story of the Church. It is this very event which the risen Lord had told the Church to wait for—almost in the last words He uttered before His ascension. It looks, therefore, as if we shall have to say that the very same phenomenon which is sometimes not only natural but even pathological is at other times (or at least at one other time) the organ of the Holy Ghost. And this seems at first very surprising and very open to attack. …” – Professor C S Lewis, Authour of Chronicles of Narnia (essay titled Transposition)
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https://www.reddit.com/r/CSLewis/comments/18e6638/what_were_cs_lewiss_views_on_pentecostals/
3) C S Lewis believed in PURGATORY
“… “Our souls demand Purgatory, don’t they? Would it not break the heart if God said to us, “It is true, my son, that your breath smells and your rags drop with mud and slime, but we are charitable here and no one will upbraid you with these things, nor draw away from you. Enter into the joy.”? Should we not reply, “With submission, sir, and if there is no objection, I’d rather be cleaned first.” “It may hurt, you know.”–“Even so, sir.” I assume that the process of purification will normally involve suffering. Partly from tradition; partly because most real good that has been done me in this life has involved it. …” – Professor C S Lewis, Authour of Chronicles of Narnia (Letters to Malcolm, Letter XX)
Source:
https://www.catholic365.com/article/17757/c-s-lewiss-argument-for-purgatory.html
4) C S Lewis believed in “Prayer for the dead” and NOT “Prayer to the dead”
“… Of course I pray for the dead. The action is so spontaneous, so all but inevitable, that only the most compulsive theological case against it would deter me. And I hardly know how the rest of my prayers would survive if those for the dead were forbidden. At our age the majority of those we love best are dead. What sort of intercourse with God could I have if what I love best were unmentionable to Him? . . . I believe in purgatory. Mind you, the Reformers had good reasons for throwing doubt on “the Romish doctrine concerning Purgatory” as that Romish doctrine had then become. …” – Professor C S Lewis, Authour of Chronicles of Narnia (from his famous semi-catechetical work, Mere Christianity:)
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Slide 263
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Conclusion on CHARITY DOCTRINE – Image is Slide 262 in Powerpoint. CHARITY DOCTRINE in a NUTSHELL – What is Charity Doctrine?
Charity Doctrine is for both Sanctification and Reward. Sanctification cause it removes Judgment of Sins (Luke 11:39 – 45) and without doing it is already sin (Sodom’s case Ezekiel 16:49) and damnable to hell (Matthew 25:31 – 46, Luke 16:19 – 31, Luke 10:25 – 37) and doing more also increases treasure in heaven (Luke 12:30 – 34). Yes each verse above Christ told directly, not through any apostles even and so we can quote the Verse below which refers to “His Words 100%” (so in “Context”):
“… And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. …Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. …” – Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ, God in Flesh, KING of kings and LORD of lords (Matthew 24:11, 35, KJV)
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A closing thought to Ponder regarding Pentecostal Christianity
There are “speaking in non-human language tongues” Roman Catholics too who “pray to virgin Mary” and they caught it from traditional “charismatics” from 1967 onward. In comparison, NONE of CHILIASM Church Fathers have any “Prayers to Virgin Mary” (shocked? Study Church History). There are also “Mormons” who spoke in “non-human language tongues” before the Pentecostal movement itself as well explained in this Video by Mr. Justin Peters (a famous Reformed Church current Theologian). We can be neutral based on honesty that I cannot see into the mind of a person who is doing that as to whether it is real, or done by their flesh but they think it’s real or placebo effect or whether it is demonic etc. (as even the Father of Pentecostalism Mr. Charles Parham himself called non-human language type he encountered like that at the Azusa Street Revival which gave birth to most Pentecostals including even the Assembles of God Church (AOG) an irony isn’t it? Please see Mr. Justin Peter’s video or Slide 48/49 earlier too) So I am neutral but I do NOT participate in any risky things. Which looks more risky CHARITY DOCTRINE (based on Bible Christ’s Words) or PENTECOSTALISM (claims of Parham onward which he even condemned the modern type)? Peace to you
Links:
1) History of the Pentecostal/Charismatic Movement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0YUdOtEr9k
2) The Origins of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal in the United States: Early Developments in Indiana and Michigan
https://www.euppublishing.com/doi/full/10.3366/swc.2019.0267
3) Catholic Charismatic Renewal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Charismatic_Renewal
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Example Slide 264 in Powerpoint for an #HONEST #POSSIBILITY: If you think #OXFORD Professor CS Lewis’ (Authour of Chronicles of #Narnia) belief in #PURGATORY (Slide 263 or 97 earlier) is #SILLY, please read this first. Note: I am NOT saying I am right but if it’s POSIBLE I PRESENT the #EVIDENCE and GOD Will #UNDERSTAND if I am #WRONG (“#Responsible”).
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Roman Catholics believe “Purgatory” is only for imperfect Catholics but this plainly CONTRADICTS even #SHEPHERD of #HERMAS’ quote (considered Scripture-level by many earliest Church Fathers including St. #Irenaeus of Lyons, #Tertullian and even approved by St. #Athanasius the Great) that even SOME of the #UNBAPTIZED can be #SAVED BY #FIRE in it (if God Wills) in SLIDE 238/256 earlier. For those believing in only 66 Bible-books possibility, have you seen these BIBLE Verses below which SEEM to POINT to SOME of the PRISONERS of the “WATERLESS #PIT/#DARKNESS/#SHADOW of #DEATH” (usually refers to #HELL REGIONS) getting SAVED/#WATER of #LIFE in the #SPIRIT WORLD (Slide 122, Isaiah 49:9 – 10) as SAVED by FIRE (1 Corinthians 3:15, Daniel 12:8 – 10, Slides 223/224 earlier) so if this INTERPRETATION is TRUE then it must be NON-ELECT SALVATION of POSSIBILITY on FINAL EARTH as SURELY CANNOT ENTER #HEAVEN (Revelation 21:27) but COULD be part of “NATIONS SAVED on FINAL EARTH” (Revelation 21:24 – 26) as even the BRIDE (Church) calls at that FINAL FUTURE TIME to take the WATER of LIFE #FREELY (Revelation 22:17, Revelation 21:6) to be HEALED via even the #LEAVES of the TREE of LIFE (Revelation 22:2) whose SOURCE is MOST BLESSED #LORD #JESUS #CHRIST (Revelation 22:1 – 3)?
See how difficult honesty with Bible and Church History really is? Does your Bible read differently for these Verses? Let GOD Decide but AM NEUTRAL with EVIDENCE. [From Page 203 to 211 onward of the #ChiliasmBook] Both CHILIASM Church Fathers St. Ireneaous of Lyons (e.g. Slide 237) and St. Melito of Sardis (Slide 240) have called the SHADOW of DEATH phrase as “SPIRIT WORLD #Context” as used by Prof. CS Lewis (Slide 97/263) which could refer to Psalm 107:10 – 14/Luke 1:79 where some may be RELEASED from PRISON/HELL/WATERLESS PIT after MANY DAYS VISITATION (Original Word) in ISAIAH 24:22/Zechariah 9:11 – 12 (if GOD WILLS it by HIS #BLOOD #COVENANT/His Choice).
Peace to you
Slide 266 in Powerpoint.
“… But for the sake of greater accuracy I add, being constrained to write, that there are also other books besides these, which have not indeed been put in the canon, but have been appointed by the Fathers as reading-matter for those who have just come forward and which to be instructed in the doctrine of piety: the Wisdom of Solomon, the Wisdom of Sirach, Esther, Judith, Tobias [Tobit], the so-called Teaching [Didache] of the Apostles, and the Shepherd [of Hermas, “The Pastor”]….“(39th Festal Letter, c. 367 AD) – Blessed St. Athanasius the Great, the First Great Greek Doctor of the Church, the Father of Orthodoxy, Patriarch of Alexandria and Champion of Trinity and Confessor, Coptic Pope, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, more details in [From Page 45/904 onward of the #ChiliasmBook];
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so if St. Athanasius, St. Irenaeous, many 2nd to 4th Century Christians etc. are not in hell to approve this writing or call it Scripture, we can show this EVIDENCE to GOD likewise and it can HELP to UNDERSTAND 66 Bible Books more ACCURATELY too for GREATER REWARD & AVOIDING FATAL DOCTRINAL ERRORS (Aim) meaning ZERO Risk because NO EARLY HOLY SPIRIT FILLED CHRISTIAN NOR CHURCH FATHER has ever DISAPPROVED the “Shepherd of Hermas” but only it went out of use since those days there was NO Internet so NOT everyone knew unless it was transmitted (if anyone claims it was disapproved, ask for quote with source, can you see it?).
Also, even Prophet Daniel did “not” understand Prophecy given to him fully (Daniel 12:8) and Most Blessed LORD JESUS CHRIST Himself called “Nathanael” as with “no” deceit and a true Israelite (in John 1:47) even though Nathanael just WRONGLY claimed ‘can anything good come out of Nazareth?’ (John 1:46) meaning he is an HONEST person though NOT always accurate & in Revelation 3:4 where CHILIASM CHURCH FATHER St. Melito of Sardis was possibly immediate successor (Slide 240 in Powerpoint), CHRIST already Said that sometimes even ONLY A FEW can be MORE ACCURATE or SAVED in HEAVEN-TYPE (read Revelation 3:4 carefully and CHURCH HISTORY with St. Melito points this was a CHILIASM CHURCH! – can you SEE it?)
So “majority in numbers” is NOT proof of God’s approval and in this case the SHEPHERD of HERMAS Writing thing is approved by FIRST CHRISTIANITY’s BEST as shown in Slide 265 earlier too). Here are Shepherd of Hermas’ quote sample quotes from POSSIBLE NON-ELECT SALVATION (Slides 238/256 earlier) or even CHARITY DOCTRINE can be DONE in END of LIFE via a WILL for HOUSE & LANDS (modern adaptation) with such CHARITY LIFESTYLE with SKILLS or MONEY for MAXIMUM heavenly REWARDS (Samples in Shepherd of Hermas’ Third Book: Similitudes, First Similitude & Second Similitude as quoted in Page 70 onward of the #EternalHellAnnihilationUniversalismBook).
“…The Lord has therefore endured all these things on our behalf, in order that we, having been instructed by means of them all, may be in all respects circumspect for the TIME TO COME and that, having been RATIONALLY taught to love God, we may continue in His perfect love: for God has displayed LONG-SUFFERING in the case of MAN’s APOSTASY; while man has been instructed by means of it, as also the prophet says, “THINE OWN APOSTASY shall HEAL THEE; [Jeremiah 2:19]” God thus DETERMINING ALL THINGS BEFOREHAND [Ephesians 1:11] for the BRINGING of MAN to PERFECTION [Ephesians 1:9 – 10], for his edification, and for the revelation of His DISPENSATIONS, that goodness may both be made apparent, and righteousness perfected, and that the CHURCH may be FASHIONED after the IMAGE of His Son, and that MAN may FINALLY be brought to MATURITY at SOME FUTURE TIME, becoming ripe through such privileges to see and comprehend God …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, CHILIASM Church Father (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, Book 4, Chapter 37)
Roman Catholic Source:
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103437.htm
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http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/irenaeus-book4.html
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Slide 267 in Powerpoint – Example of difficult reading with Bible Verses and even CHILIASM Church Father quotes (Which is right let GOD Decide but I present the POSSIBILITIES with EVIDENCE).
In CHILIASM Quotes CONTEXT we have seen say in SLIDES 225 to 227 earlier that CHRISTIANS are HUMAN for 1000 years Millennial Reign of CHRIST in Resurrected bodies to be REPAID in that form first and NO MORE HUMAN and CHANGE into ANGELIC/CELESTIAL Resurrection BODIES at end of 1000 years as meaning they those require WATER of LIFE are HUMAN RESURRECTION EARTHLY
BODIES so Revelation21:6 or Revelation 22:17 may be REFERRING to NON –ELECT SALVATION of those SAVED on FINAL NEW EARTH. Difficult but possible, right as even the BRIDE (Heavenly body at that time, Revelation 21:9) CALLS out to them (EARTHLY) to take WATER of LIFE in Revelation 22:17, right? More details for this possibility from Slide 264 earlier & other slides quoted in it for reference.
Example Water of Life comparison from [From Page 184 to 193 onward of the #ChiliasmBook] and Slide 264 earlier here. Water of Life reference in Revelation 7 happens as an ELECT SALVATION on the CURRENT Old Earth / Old Heavens while the Water of Life reference in Revelation 21 & 22 happens as POSSIBLY a NON ELECT SALVATION on the FINAL New Earth/New Heavens
1) ELECT SALVATION getting the Water of Life CONTEXT
= “… 9After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” … 17for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to [c]living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.” … “7He WHO OVERCOMES [d]SHALL INHERIT ALL THINGS, and I will be his God and he shall be My son … Come, I will show you the [g]BRIDE, the LAMB’S WIFE.” 10And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and SHOWED ME THE [H]GREAT CITY, the [I]HOLY JERUSALEM, DESCENDING OUT OF HEAVEN from God, …” – Blessed Apostle St. John (Revelation 7:9 – 10, 17, 21:7, 9 – 10, NKJV)
2) POSSIBLE NON ELECT SALVATION getting the Water of Life CONTEXT
= “… I will give of the fountain of the WATER OF LIFE FREELY TO HIM WHO THIRSTS. … 24And the NATIONS [N]OF THOSE WHO ARE SAVED shall walk in its light, and the KINGS OF THE EARTH bring their glory and honor [o]into it. 25Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there). 26And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into [p]it. … And the SPIRIT and the BRIDE say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And LET HIM WHO THIRSTS COME. Whoever desires, let him TAKE THE WATER OF LIFE FREELY. …” – Blessed Apostle St. John (Revelation 21:6, 24 – 26, Revelation 22:17, NKJV)
Comment: The Gate in the Final New Earth seems to indicate that some may be saved on that Final New Earth only (indicating the existence of such a POSSIBLE NON ELECT SALVATION strongly too) but never get to enter nor visit the Final Heavenly Jerusalem which connects Heaven to Earth Literally post-Judgment Day as the quoted Verses also describe this in CONTEXT around it.
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Slide 268 in Powerpoint – Example of DIFFICULT CHILIASM Church Father quote (Which is right let GOD Decide but I present the POSSIBILITIES with EVIDENCE). [From Page 54 onward of the #EternalHellAnnihilationUniversalismBook] – Which did St. Irenaeus of Lyons mean? I stay NEUTRAL & PRESENT EVIDENCE and LET GOD DECIDE.
1) Full CHILIASM Quote
“… Just in the same way is the heavenly kingdom honourable to those who have known the earthly one. But in proportion as it is more honourable, so much the more do we prize it; and if we have prized it more, we shall be the more glorious in the presence of God. The Lord has therefore endured all these things on our behalf, in order that we, having been instructed by means of them all, may be in all respects circumspect for the time to come, and that, having been rationally taught to love God, we may continue in His perfect love: for God has displayed long-suffering in the case of man’s apostasy; while man has been instructed by means of it, as also the prophet says, Your own apostasy shall heal you; Jeremiah 2:19 God thus determining all things beforehand for the bringing of man to perfection, for his edification, and for the revelation of His dispensations, that goodness may both be made apparent, and righteousness perfected, and that the Church may be fashioned after the image of His Son, and that man may finally be brought to maturity at some future time, becoming ripe through such privileges to see and comprehend God. …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, CHILIASM Church Father (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, ‘Against Heresies’, (Book 4, Chapter 37, Point 7) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103437.htm
2) The CHURCH = ELECT SALVATION = MAN mentioned here so ONLY CHRISTIANS SAVED; Highlight quote for that part with [emphasis of word replaced here] for comparison:
“… and righteousness perfected, and that the “CHRISTIAN” may be FASHIONED after the IMAGE of His Son, and that CHRISTIANS may FINALLY be brought to MATURITY at SOME FUTURE TIME, becoming ripe through such privileges to see and comprehend God …” – Blessed St. Irenaeus of Lyons (with replacement word CHURCH = MAN = CHRISTIAN for “Against Heresies”, Book 4, Chapter 37, Point 7)
3) The CHURCH = ELECT SALVATION (Heavenly Bodies as per CHILIASM Context as Slide 267 & Slides 225 to 227 details which are connected to St. Ireneaous of Lyons too) and those SAVED as MAN (Earthly Final Resurrection Bodies) are mentioned here so POSSIBLE NON ELECT SALVATION for those non-Christians SAVED (if God Wills it). Highlight quote for that part with [emphasis of word replaced here] for comparison:
“… and righteousness perfected, and that the “CHRISTIAN” may be FASHIONED after the IMAGE of His Son, and that NON-CHRISTIANS may FINALLY be brought to MATURITY at SOME FUTURE TIME, becoming ripe through such privileges to see and comprehend God …” – Blessed St. Irenaeus of Lyons (with replacement word CHURCH = CHRISTIAN and MAN = NON-CHRISTIAN for “Against Heresies”, Book 4, Chapter 37, Point 7)
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Slide 269 in Powerpoint. Spiritual sampling quotes with St. Irenaeus (part 1 of 2).
Sometimes we do NOT have a direct quote by St. Irenaeus of Lyons regarding the meaning of who are the “… nations saved on the final earth …” in Revelation 21:24 – 27, are these POSSIBLE NON-ELECT SALVATION in “earthly final human resurrection bodies” as opposed to the BRIDE (Heavenly resurrection bodies, Revelation 21:9 with no more flesh and blood at this time, 1 Corinthians 15:52 as surviving CHILIASM quotes have claimed as some shown in Slide 226 earlier)?
Example evidence: Each quote here is by Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, CHILIASM Church Father (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD).
A 100 years Christianity cannot tell a 2000 year old story.
1) St. Irenaeus may have believed in “some” being saved in “Spirit World” as phrase “on earth beneath” (Ephesians 4:9) refers here to “saved after judgment context of condemnation which existed by disobedience” below:
[From Page 160 onward of the #LastBook]
“… 8. But as many as feared God, and were anxious about His law, these ran to Christ, and were all saved. [Elect Salvation] For He said to His disciples: Go to the sheep of the house of Israel, Matthew 10:6 which have perished. [Non Elect Salvation] … remaining a virgin could bring forth a son, and that what was thus born should be God with us, and descend to those things which are of the earth beneath, seeking the sheep which had perished, … (hominem) which had been found, … as the Head rose from the dead, so also the remaining part of the body — [namely, the body] of everyman who is found in life — when the time is fulfilled of that condemnation which existed by reason of disobedience, may arise, blended together and strengthened through means of joints and bands Ephesians 4:16 by the increase of God, each of the members having its own proper and fit position in the body. For there are many mansions in the Father’s house, John 14:2 inasmuch as there are also many members in the body. ….” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, ( ‘Against Heresies’, (Book 4, Chapter 2, Point 8, Book 3, Chapter 19, Point 3-partial)
Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103402.htm
Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103319.htm
2) The CHILIASM CHURCH First Christianity Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons was in were the only EARLIEST ones known after the times of the Blessed Apostles to have the RAISING the DEAD type of MIRACLE and we know that GOD can ONLY use TRUE CHRISTIANS for RAISING the DEAD type of MIRACLE & does NOT have any “Prayer to Virgin Mary at all” in any of his writings (a shock to some Catholics/Orthodox if they know this) and also that she does NOT “PRAY to ANGELS” (i.e. “5. Nor does she perform anything by means of angelic invocations”) as opposed to some Catholics/Orthodox praying to angels till today, can you see it? and this is further proof that his writings are preserved as it is , example quote:
[From Page 94 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
“…4. … Wherefore, also, those who are in truth His disciples, receiving grace from Him, do in His name perform [miracles], so as to promote the welfare of other men, according to the gift which each one has received from Him. … Yea, moreover, as I have said, the dead even have been raised up, and remained among us for many years., … nor taking any reward Acts 8:9, 18 from them [on account of such miraculous interpositions]. For as she has received freely Matthew 10:8 from God, freely also does she minister [to others]. 5. Nor does she perform anything by means of angelic invocations, or by incantations, or by any other wicked curious art; but, directing her prayers to the Lord, who made all things, in a pure, sincere, and straightforward spirit, and calling upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, she has been accustomed to work miracles for the advantage of mankind, and not to lead them into error. …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, (‘Against Heresies’, (Book II, Chapter 32), Point 4, 5-partial)
Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103232.htm
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Slide 270 in Powerpoint. Spiritual sampling quotes with St. Irenaeus (part 2 of 2) chiefly to understand whether or not the “nations who are saved on final new earth” in Revelation 21:24 – 27 refers to NON ELECT SALVATION or NOT (Possibility not doctrine because NOT sure as you yourself can see the DIFFICULT EVIDENCE).
3) St. Irenaeus believed that ALL Christians are PRIESTS post-resurrection (Revelation 1:6, Revelation 5:10, 1 Peter 2:5 – 9) during the 1000 years Millennial Reign onward (Revelation 20:6).
[From Page 291 onward of the #LastBook]
“… 3 … Now, in the preceding book I have shown that ALL THE DISCIPLES OF THE LORD ARE LEVITES AND PRIESTS, they who used in the temple to profane the Sabbath, but are blameless. Matthew 12:5 Promises of such a nature, therefore, do indicate in the clearest manner the FEASTING of that creation in the KINGDOM OF THE RIGHTEOUS, which God promises that He will Himself serve. …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, CHILIASM Church Father (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD).( ‘Against Heresies’, (Book 5(V), Chapter 34), Points 3-partial)
Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103534.htm
Comment: As per his quote above, St. Irenaeous of Lyons believes that ALL CHRISTIANS (“DISCIPLES”) are PRIESTS/LEVITES and hence participate in the FIRST RESURRECTION mentioned above (Revelation 20:4 – 7) in the KINGDOM OF THE RIGHTEOUS CONTEXT as “PRIESTS” meaning a NON-PRIEST saved among the “NATIONS of those that are SAVED” (Revelation 21:24) could be a type of NON ELECT SALVATION in comparison, right?
4) St. Irenaeus preserved the identical oldest not-in-Bible CHILIASM Prophecy “Mystery” (Slide 235 earlier too) that ALL Christians (“thirty, sixty or hundredfold”) only get a final abode in FINAL NEW Heavens (not current heavens context referred to in END of WEDDING of Lamb for 1000 years, Revelation 21:1, 9, Revelation 20:4 – 6) and they DON’T LEAVE it (Revelation 3:12) meaning those saved on FINAL NEW earth (Revelation 21:24 – 26) have an abode there but some/most NOT entering lowest heaven (Revelation 21:27) could refer to POSSIBLE NON-ELECT SALVATION for SOME if GOD Wills, right? Notice the New Jerusalem City which descends and connects to that final earth, Rev 21:2, 9, 3:12.
[From Pages 27/81/112/166/217/502/879/ onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
“… And as the presbyters* say, Then those who are deemed worthy of an abode in heaven shall go there, others shall enjoy the delights of paradise, and others shall possess the splendour of the city; … distinction between the habitation of those who produce an hundred-fold, and that of those who produce sixty-fold, and that of those who produce thirty-fold: for the first will be taken up into the heavens, the second will dwell in paradise, the last will inhabit the city; … And this is the couch on which the guests shall recline, having been invited to the WEDDING. The presbyters, the disciples of the apostles, affirm that this is the gradation and arrangement of those who are saved, and that they advance through steps of this nature… For in the TIMES of the KINGDOM, the righteous man who is upon the earth shall then forget to die. … John, therefore, did distinctly foresee the FIRST “RESURRECTION of the JUST,” …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons (‘Against Heresies’, Book 5, Chapter XXXVI/36, Points 1 – 2, 3-partial)
Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103536.htm
5) St. Irenaeus called “Shepherd of Hermas” as Scripture and even quoted the “ELECT Tower” phrase for “Elect Salvation” (Revelation 21:9’s Bride) which is quite unique to this writing & it may link to “SALVATION outside elect tower as NON-Elect Salvation” (final new earth’s saved-nations in revelation 21:24 – 26?) as shown in Slide 266 earlier.
[From Page 154 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
“… the BEAUTIFUL ELECT TOWER being also raised everywhere. For the illustrious Church is [now] everywhere, … because those who do receive the Spirit are everywhere. …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons ( ‘Against Heresies’, (Book IV, Chapter 36), Point 2)
Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103436.htm
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Slide 271. Comment: Example “Government” Job by MERIT exam even for non-math teaching positions (in image, good). Meaning how many “top” officers in your country will have their job by merit?
Remember even a HIGH-SCHOOL Drop out can do a MINISTER level ADMINISTRATION JOB in GOVERNMENT via POLITICS so claiming that ‘they can do the job later’ does NOT justify the DISCRMINATION prior and used for life (see how BIG SUCH SINS really are?) Top jobs are usually SIMPLE ADMIN JOBS but these are GRABBED by NON-MERIT usually and very few by merit anywhere in the world, right?
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GOD Will Judge after death if we deserve it or not (Verses put here). Talking about the “real God” and NOT the PUPPETS of their imagination who they think gave them the job even when they don’t deserve it. Bravo to countries which practice such merit!
See how Ecclesiastes 5:8 clearly reveals don’t be surprised that the REAL GOD does NOT influence NOR has any part in ANY NON-MERIT, LOW JUSTICE “GOVERNMENT” SYSTEMS even? But GOD Will Judge after their DEATH —> looks like “Hell”, right? May ‘your god’ save you from hell if he taught you discrimination.
Remember, Qualification can be forged (example a local Masters/PHD may NOT even be valid in a FOREIGN UNIVERSITY) but ABILITY cannot be forged so such EXAMS REVEAL especially MATH CONTESTS too or in other fields etc. All the best “for life”.
If “your god” is really “god” ask him to teach you to do that math and get the job by merit instead of “nepotism & silly LOW-brain-power games” (as even unbelievers also can do such math from atheists to other religions as well) meaning that’s the proof GOD is FAIR and gave them that ability so it should have been them that are HIRED.
BIBLE Verses Says OPPRESORS have POWER and GOD does NOT intervene most of time because He sends them to Hell (Understood, e.g. Ecclesiastes 4:1 – 3, Psalm 73). May GOD Help us to LIVE by HIS BIBLE Way via MERIT. SATAN controls MONEY too (Matthew 4:8 -10) as he tried tempting CHRIST even.
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I stay NEUTRAL and PRESENT this EVIDENCE which is STRONG, right?
[From Page 155 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
This is important because the “Shepherd of Hermas” has “another Salvation outside the [Elect] Tower” hence can mean NON-ELECT SALVATION and since St. Ireaneous of Lyons calls the “Shepherd of Hermas” as “Scripture”, and seems to acknowledge this “ELECT TOWER CONCEPT” as per his words earlier, this context is highly probable, right?
“… Do you wish to know who are the others which fell near the waters, but could not be rolled into them? THESE ARE THEY WHO HAVE HEARD THE WORD, and WISH TO BE BAPTIZED in the name of the Lord; but when the chastity demanded by the truth comes into their recollection, they draw back, and AGAIN WALK AFTER THEIR OWN WICKED DESIRES.” She FINISHED her EXPOSITION of the TOWER. But I, shameless as I yet was, asked her, “IS REPENTANCE POSSIBLE FOR ALL THOSE STONES WHICH HAVE BEEN CAST AWAY and DID NOT FIT INTO THE BUILDING of the TOWER, AND WILL THEY YET HAVE A PLACE IN THIS TOWER?” “REPENTANCE,” said she, “IS YET POSSIBLE, BUT IN THIS TOWER THEY CANNOT FIND A SUITABLE PLACE. But in another and MUCH INFERIOR PLACE THEY WILL BE LAID, and that, too, ONLY WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN TORTURED AND COMPLETED THE DAYS OF THEIR SINS. And on this account will they be transferred, because they have PARTAKEN of the RIGHTEOUS WORD. And then only will they be removed from their punishments when the THOUGHT of REPENTING of the evil deeds which they have done has come into their hearts. But if it does not come into their hearts, they will not be saved, on account of the hardness of their heart.” …” – Shepherd of Hermas ( (Book I), Vision 3, Concerning the Building of the Triumphant Church, and the Various Classes of Reprobate Men, Chapter 7)
Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/02011.htm
“Elect Tower” usage by St. Irenaeous of Lyons can be an alluded to the SHEPHERD of HERMAS (though we cannot say for sure) in this SAME BOOK
“…— the BEAUTIFUL ELECT TOWER being also raised everywhere. For the illustrious Church is [now] everywhere, and everywhere is the winepress dug: because those who do receive the Spirit are everywhere. …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, CHILIASM Church Father (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, ‘Against Heresies’, (Book 4, Chapter 36), Point 2)
Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103436.htm
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Slide 272 in Powerpoint. Congratulations! Example of ‘those chosen by merit’. Christian country allows this: This is for year 2024, link:
Here are some deeper thoughts to ponder:
1) I wonder what “religion” each of them “believe in”? If any of them are “atheists”, so “GOD” is “FAIR” based on their effort and still gave them such “incredible abilities”, right?
If this did NOT matter, then WHY are “your people so obsessed about those of SAME LANGUAGE/RELIGION/RACE to excel in it”? till discriminating others who are better which countries like USA allows “fairly” based on “merit only”?
2) If boys and girls are mixed (example in the International Math Olympiad IMO or National Math Olympiads), usually it’s the BOYS who WIN MORE. Same is true even in say NOBEL PRIZE or other prizes such as FIELDS MEDALS etc. Example proof quotes (please see table in image):
Nobel Prize (Men vs Women ratio despite many universities have more female enrolment, right? I mean it’s “fair” for last 100 years since the inception of Nobel Prize that women can have equal education and rightly so); Compare:
“… The male-to-female ratio for Nobel Prizes is 17.1-to-1 and men account for a whopping 94.5 percent of all prizes awarded since 1901 …”
Source: https://www.statista.com/chart/15709/nobel-prize-winners-by-gender/
“… It is fairly well known that women today outnumber men in American colleges. In 2003, there were 1.35 females for every male who graduated from a four-year college and 1.3 females for every male undergraduate. That contrasts with 1960, when there were 1.6 males for every female graduating from a U.S. four-year college and 1.55 males for every female undergraduate. How come this switch? …”
Source: https://www.nber.org/digest/jan07/why-do-women-outnumber-men-college
“… The growing gender gap in higher education – both in enrollment and graduation rates – has been a topic of conversation and debate in recent months. Young women are more likely to be enrolled in college today than young men, and among those ages 25 and older, women are more likely than men to have a four-year college degree. The gap in college completion is even wider among younger adults ages 25 to 34. …”
Even in “Malaysia”:
“… Students in public higher education institutions in Malaysia 2013-2022, by gender. In 2022, around 282,000 male students and more than 405,000 female students were enrolled in public higher institutions. …”
Conclusion – Numbers don’t lie
“… During the period 2000–2021, there were only 1,102 female contestants (9.2%) out of a total of 11,950 contestants. The gap is even more significant in terms of IMO gold medallists; from 1959 to 2021, there were 43 female and 1295 male gold medal winners.[98] This gender gap in participation and in performance at the IMO level led to the establishment of the European Girls’ Mathematical Olympiad (EGMO).[99] …“
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Mathematical_Olympiad
Comment: Regarding NOBEL PRIZE Winners whose MAJORITY are CHRISTIANS, I already showed in SLIDE 183 and Slide 185 in POWERPOINT even “WHICH TYPE of CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS too” (in links). Interesting, right? So if “your god is really god” for those discriminating others, WHY CAN’T HE ALLOW you to WIN by MERIT even in YOUR OWN HOME COUNTRY? Same is true for PRIVATE SECTOR to PUBLIC SECTOR JOBS/POSITIONS/SALARY etc. where your type of people win MOSTLY by UNFAIRNESS and NOT MERIT.
Another Proof: Usually your type of people never win in education to jobs in another country where you are not majority and assessment is purely by merit. Can you really see which GOD is real then? GOD of MERIT.
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