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Simple KPI Measures (Why I never did a Masters nor a PHD as well):
1) How many “new” discoveries made by lecturers in their fields (theory aspect)?
2) How many of those “new” discoveries are used in “daily life” (practical aspect)?
3) Are those discoveries actually “significant”? (meaning or just a “tweaked” problem making it a special case just so that to get a PHD?)
4) How many lecturers are involved in training “competition” level Malaysian National Teams? (Because it’s common knowledge that for example Math Olympiad or even Physics Olympiad or any Olympiad problem is not guaranteed to be solved by a PHD in that field even without looking at solutions – this part proves “quality” as well)
5) Common Problem: Just presenting “known” knowledge in slides with “nothing new discovered” or so called “discoveries” by just tweaking a special case (especially just running statistical analysis on “new dataset” is most prevalent which is good but not best).
6) Peer Measure: I think a significant number of PHD thesis itself would “not” be a PHD say at “Cambridge” or other “Ivy League” universities “nor” even published in ‘those journals’ meaning creating one’s own journal and then publishing and making a PHD out of it may not reflect the “highest quality” PHD in the ‘Global Arena’.
7) What about me? These are the reasons “why” I do “not” do either a “Masters nor a PHD” because I know that I did “not” discover anything “significantly new” in those fields (because say if Cambridge would not view my so called thesis as valid for Masters or PHD then I rather be honest with a Bachelor’s degree only). Probably in “Theology” I may have made some significant discoveries via the writings of Church Fathers but because it cannot be confirmed 100% to be correct (only God Knows) I do not intend to make a living or take money for something like that and rather just share the discovery for free (so judgment is lower or no judgment if wrong since no money taken, presented both sides and even willing to admit it could be wrong).
Example: The “country” which created the car does “not” make most money from car sales since others “copied” it and made more money. This is why “money achievements” are “not” counted as anyone can win by racism, nepotism, controlling economic factors by politics to unwritten trade pacts etc. God Will Judge all.
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[Text] Highest Type of Education is Discovery and its Greatest Fruit is Giving it away for Free and the No. 1 field is Biblical Theology
1) I rarely find any gem in “Education” studies generally which just talks about “studying” unless the person speaking it can either “discover something new” or “master difficult technical knowledge” as “proof” of his “methods”. Example in “Math”, either someone who discovers something new or someone who can solve even a difficult “Math Olympiad Problem” (not reading from a known solution) is best. I mean if talks are done say in Math but the person himself only can do cut and paste type of Math Questions which others can too without seeing solutions, no big deal, right? Same is true for any other field and not math only.
2) What does the Bible Teach? In Bible Verses below (not opinions of men), we see that the GREATEST DISCOVERY is THEOLOGICAL because such “WISDOM” (knowing GOD and His Will, Proverbs 3:15) reflects back in CHRISTIANS in varying degrees of glory in FINAL RESURRECTION BODY (Daniel 12:3) where the “Agape” (Love) aspect of it (1 Corinthians 13:2) is SHARING that DISCOVERY for FREE (Jeremiah 22:16) which even keeping all other 10 Commandments itself could not achieve “Perfection” as CHRIST Taught (in Matthew 19:21) by RELATIVE MEASURE (Luke 21:1 – 3) as even the example of the MAGI of the EAST shows that NOT all discoveries are known even through “Jews” as the Bible called them “Wise” (Matthew 2:1). Theological discovery can be something “new” (even an interpolation of known Theology) or even just like archeology, something OLD but less known or forgotten etc. as long as it MUST be CORRECT which ONLY GOD can DECIDE but each CHRISTIAN has a chance to try DISCOVER it in THEIR LIVES. Some Verses quoted here in images below and wrong theology means we did it in the FLESH but the RIGHT parts means we GOT it FROM CHRIST (Colossians 2:3).
#Why is this #important? #Daniel12 #Verse 2 to 3 #Prophesied that those who are #Wise (#Accuracy in #Doctrine) #Shine like #Heavens in #Final #Resurrection #Body which is #Way #Greater than #Shining like #Stars for those #Converting #many. Example: #Chiliasm #Irenaeus #Earliest known #Interpretation of #Doctrine #Prophecy #HolySpirit makes #Zero #Prophecy #Errors #FalseProphets #Danger , #Peace2U .
Latest Book Release: #BookofDoctrine or #DoctrineBook
Latest Update (Free PDF Release): 20 July 2023
Please find the New Book titled “Book of Doctrine – 20 July 2023” which can be found in free pdf download link below:
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Latest Update: 27 July 2023
I will just quote a list with links for each free pdf book.
Here’s a thought to ponder (in image below) in light of the plenty of quotes (from Bible Verses to First Christianity Writings) found in this entire book:
Important Note: Though sometimes I write in a way that may give the feel that “possibility” might just be true and refute the ideas against it, it does NOT necessarily mean I am “right” simply because I am well aware that I can be misinterpreting (but in light of these First Christianity quotes, I also could be right) and that’s why I present all this honestly as a “possibility” only either way and accept whichever God Reveals as Right One Day. Here are links for free pdf download for all these books:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZDghJN2eq7MyygtUpbNVFW—LGorSMv/view?usp=share_link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1__t7iB0HZsI4P6dqXAxxBjk_WnC1J2wb/view?usp=share_link
iii) #SafeRouteScripturallyBook
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HUXXa2kgpImEpVWFg4AN0SBc0x4ulSLn/view?usp=share_link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1N5bK-LoBAg4VQN8eLtVWsqkQyoGE0Ad_/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-zX7XgzguBYHkXWucUZ6xfMInbwtj0Z3/view?usp=share_link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XZDENeSl6mNPi6hyfGqvzBJCBlzAoqM9/view?usp=share_link
vii) #ChiliasmBook
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IzLcp1E-YoDtpAGY9qfnLeCL7ojc6-nj/view?usp=sharing
Date: 27 July 2023
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#MyCV15Oct2023 for latest theological update (hopefully last) free PDF
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Highlight: Please view the theological explanations from the last chapter listed on the Page on contents in image to understand “Why” I link my Christian Beliefs to my Work methods and how it links to both the Protestant Founders and Earliest Church Fathers in some way.
#GOD used St. Athanasius the Great to bring back the DOCTRINE of #TRINITY back into #CHRISTIANITY amongst others (hence the title “#FatherofOrthodoxy“) and a book which he approves his preserved authentic from the “#CHURCHLEADERS” before him namely the #SHEPHERDofHERMAS seems to have “wider” NON ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY for example [Please see Pages listed below of the #ChiliasmBook]
These are possibilities (not doctrine) because no one can be sure 100% but I present the evidence and to err like St. Athanasius is okay if he is wrong in this as we quoted “#Orthodox” History (not #heretics).
1) First “Church Father” by “writing” to list 27 New Testament Books (used by most Christians today) but yet St. Athanasius approved and said “Shepherd of Hermas” is for “Greater #accuracy in #Doctrine” [please see Pages 44 to 45 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
2) POSSIBLE NON ELECT SALVATION Quotes in the “Shepherd of Hermas” (#Pastor of Hermas) writing [please see Pages 51, and especially Pages 155 to 158 onward of the #ChiliasmBook] which seems to include even the #UNBAPTIZED (“not” Baptized and other “#rejected” from #ElectSalvation ones, described parabolically as “stones” for the reason of ‘not repentant & walking in evil desires’ a hope open for those rejecting after #hearing the #gospel please see Pages 157 for this); I am not encouraging ‘rejecting the gospel’ but pointing to such an #authoritative writing saying that. #Difficult.
3) Even St. Irenaeous of Lyons & #Tertullian called this same “Shepherd of Hermas” as “#Scripture” [please see Page 114 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
4) St. #Irenaeus of Lyons may have alluded to the “Elect Tower” concept found in the “Shepherd of Hermas” opening up the “#possibility for #NONELECTSalvation” for “OUTSIDE the ‘Elect-Tower’ Salvation” which is clearly described too [please see Page 154 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
5) I repeat some quotes above with other #CHURCHFATHERS for a lengthy discussion [please see Page 905 onward of the #ChiliasmBook] and this same St. Athanasius the GREAT seems to believe that a man can repent in #Hades in these quotes because that person seems only awestruck after #death which he may have believed due to “Shepherd of Hermas” quotes earlier which he approves [please see Page 368 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]. It would be very strange that the “FATHER of ORTHODOXY” approved the “SHEPHERD of HERMAS” Book if it was #wrong, right? Can happen but what are the odds? Let God Decide but erring on this seems okay if wrong (meaning still not proven wrong until we die & see the Spirit World). Presented “both” sides. Peace to you
(If someone says he is not interested in heavenly crowns and is doing it selflessly for nothing, HE IS A LIAR because he makes himself equal to GOD ALONE WHO does FOR NO REWARD and also MOCKS GOD’s REWARD because he says he does NOT want it, i.e. such ones are looking down on God’s Rewards which automatically implies such a person does not deserve it, right?) Please see [Pages 455, 467 to 469 onward of the #MyCV15Oct2023] for more details.
#Why is this #important? #Daniel12 #Verse 2 to 3 #Prophesied that those who are #Wise (#Accuracy in #Doctrine) #Shine like #Heavens in #Final #Resurrection #Body which is #Way #Greater than #Shining like #Stars for those #Converting #many. #Peace2u .
[Text] Does Book of Revelation support Pre, Mid or Post-Trib Rapture?
[From Page 439 onward of the #MyCV15Oct2023]
Notice that in CONSECUTIVE Verses below, Revelation 19:7 – 11 even, the MARRIAGE of the LAMB has NOT happened even till the SECOND COMING of CHRIST meaning both PRE-TRIB & MID-TRIB RAPTURE position are most likely WRONG because they claim the MARRIAGE of the LAMB has STARTED to HAPPEN either 7 years earlier or 3.5 years earlier respectively. ONLY the POST TRIBULATION Rapture POSITION agrees with these BIBLE VERSES below literally and more related details via CHILIASM FATHERS of the CHURCH for this part is listed in [Page 480 onward of the #MyCV15Oct2023]with references to other pages.
This is important because CHRISTIANS can be SAVED with PROPHECY error if they admit they could be wrong but they CANNOT be PROPHETS because the MOST BLESSED HOLY SPIRIT of GOD makes ZERO PROPHECY ERRORS. So imagine the “many” FALSE PROPHETS in the world today just if POST TRIBULATION RAPTURE is true. Can you see the “real danger”? Peace to you
#Why is this #important? #Daniel12 #Verse 2 to 3 #Prophesied that those who are #Wise (#Accuracy in #Doctrine) #Shine like #Heavens in #Final #Resurrection #Body which is #Way #Greater than #Shining like #Stars for those #Converting #many. Comment for image: #Irenaeus #Earliest known #Interpretation of #Rapture #PreTrib #MidTrib or #PostTrib #Doctrine #Prophecy #HolySpirit makes #Zero #Prophecy #Errors #FalseProphets #Danger , #Peace2U .
[Text] Imagine Preaching the Gospel but “NOT” knowing how CHRIST RETURNS?
I have discussed this in [Page 180 onward of the #DoctrineBook]
Doctrinal Discussion 7: Rapture (Pre-Tribulation, Mid-Tribulation or Post-Tribulation?)
Here’s a list of “Protestant Founders” Level POST TRIBULATION RAPTURE believers where they “differ” means same reason that they can be “Teachers” onward but “NOT Prophet” when compared say to St. Ireneaous of Lyons etc. as listed in [Page 480 onward of the #MyCV15Oct2023] unless of course your local prophet turns out right in all details and even St. Ireneaous of Lyons and St. Justin of Rome was wrong. What are the “odds”?
“… How old is the rapture theory?
Historically, the belief in the secret rapture is relatively new. Many of the notable Christian leaders of the faith understood from the Bible that Christ’s coming would be a literal, audible, glorious event for God’s persecuted people who would be raptured after they endured the great tribulation brought about by the antichrist including:
John Bunyan, John Calvin, Adam Clarke, Jonathan Edwards, Charles Finney, Matthew Henry, John Huss, John Knox, Hugh Latimer, C.S. Lewis, Martin Luther, D.L. Moody, George Mueller, Sir Isaac Newton, John Newton, Charles Spurgeon, William Tyndale, Isaac Watts, Charles Wesley, John Wesley, George Whitefield, William Wilberforce, John Wycliffe, Ulrich Zwingli, and many others.
Of course, the truth of a teaching is not dependent upon who believes it, but whether or not it is in line with all of the Scriptures.
…”
Source:
https://www.bibleinfo.com/en/questions/what-does-bible-teach-about-secret-rapture
#Why is this #important? #Daniel12 #Verse 2 to 3 #Prophesied that those who are #Wise (#Accuracy in #Doctrine) #Shine like #Heavens in #Final #Resurrection #Body which is #Way #Greater than #Shining like #Stars for those #Converting #many. #Peace2u .
#Why is this #important? #Daniel12 #Verse 2 to 3 #Prophesied that those who are #Wise (#Accuracy in #Doctrine) #Shine like #Heavens in #Final #Resurrection #Body which is #Way #Greater than #Shining like #Stars for those #Converting #many.
Comment for image: #Irenaeus #Earliest known #Interpretation of #Antichrist #Prophecy even based on #Luke18 , #Peace2U .
CHILIASM Church Father Example Quote by Blessed Archbishop St. Ambrose of Milan, First Great Latin Doctor of the Church
[From Page 425 onward of the free pdf #MyCV15Oct2023 , more details there]
Since even St. Ambrose of Milan taught “Non-Elect Salvation” I must consider it at least as a “possibility” to be “honest” regardless if it’s right or not which let God Decide and this gives “evidence” that those before him must have taught the same (for St. Augustine of Hippo his “student” only starts to “differ”).
#FalseProphet vs #HumanError only if no #Claims of #GodToldmeSo #Wrongly because #MostBlessed #HolySpirit of #God has #ZERO #Prophecy #Errors and those with #ProphecyError #Cannot be #Prophets of the #NewTestament #Please #DoNotbeDeceived as since #NoProphecyofScriptureisofAnyPrivateInterpretation #Chiliasm vs #nonChiliasm here as #possibility .
[Text] Example Textual Manuscript Variant which makes “no” difference to CHRIST’s MEANING.
Why this is important? Imagine getting it “Wrong” on many’s favourite topic which is “money” itself. Oh, the “irony”!
1) Problem (from source of image rephrased)
At Matthew 5:44 —> The shorter reading found in many translations says “But I say to you, love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you,” while the longer reading inserts the phrase, “bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who mistreat you.”
2) Solution
Worst case scenario is the “Original” does “not” have the additional blue phrase.
So does DOCTRINE change? NO. Why? Simple Reason: use LUKE 6:35 which does NOT seem to have ANY TEXTUAL VARIANTS and in fact is STRONGER in LOVE YOUR ENEMIES’ ACTS including LEND MONEY (GIVE MONEY) too etc. Can you “see” it?
Comment: Did you know that a similar problem occurs with Matthew 6:33 and Luke 12:30 – 35? “Prosperity Gospel” error misquotes Matthew 6:33 to mean “Prosperity” while with Luke 12:30 – 35 (“same” phrase) we see that it’s a COMMAND to DO CHARITY DOCTRINE with the “things added” and NOT for PROSPERITY as false teachers err in order for GOD to REWARD “Treasure in Heaven”. So lesser the Charity Doctrine by “Relative Measure” (e.g. Luke 21:1 – 3), lesser “Heavenly Treasure Reward” (Eternal Loss for sake of ‘perishing earthly prosperity’)
I did “not” make up strange explanation but WHAT CHRIST SAID only, Compare below (please “read” for yourself #WhatHeSaid here in FULL):
Why? Luke 12:34 Says CHARITY DOCTRINE (Luke 12:33) REVEALS CHRIST’s “HEART” (notice the word “HEART” carefully in these Verses here)
i) Matthew 6:33
“…But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. …” (Matthew 6:33, NKJV)
ii) Luke 12:30 – 35
“… 31“But SEEK HIS KINGDOM, and THESE THINGS will be ADDED TO YOU. 32“Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has chosen gladly to give you the kingdom. 33“SELL YOUR POSSESSIONS and GIVE TO CHARITY; make yourselves money belts which do not wear out, an unfailing treasure in heaven, where no thief comes near nor moth destroys. 34“For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. 35“Be dressed in readiness, and KEEP YOUR LAMPS LIT. …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 12:31 – 35, NASB)
Peace to you
#ProsperityGospel is #False #Matthew633 #ScriptureInterpretScripture #WhatHeSaid #CharityDoctrine with #WhatYouHave and #Not #ChurchMoney #Nor #DonationMoney only for #TreasureinHeaven to have #ChristsHeart and #LampsLit .
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[Text] NT Textual Analysis – An Example why Church Father’s Quotes are important [with CHILIASM CHURCH FATHERS St. Ireneaous of Lyons & St. Justin of Rome]
1) Technique (logic): In regard to “which manuscript” did St. Ireneaous of Lyons & St. Justin of Rome use when quoting say Matthew 5:44, sometimes quotes are “word for word” but sometimes quotes are “paraphrased” in meaning. We find:
i) St. Ireneaous of Lyons contradicts the “shorter” manuscript by using the word “hate” that is NOT found in the “shorter” manuscript which seems to be a “paraphrase” of the “longer” manuscript for Matthew 5:44.
ii) As usual St. Justin of Rome (also known as St. Justin Martyr) implies the “exact” same meaning in his quote below of Matthew 5:44 likewise that the “Original Scripture” seems to be the “longer” Version because for example his quote of Matthew 5:44 clearly includes this phrase “… bless them that curse you …” which is “only” found in the “longer” NT Manuscript for this Verse (can you “see” it?) :
“…He taught thus: If you love them that love you, what new thing are you doing? For even fornicators do this. But I say unto you, Pray for your enemies, and love them that hate you, and bless them that curse you, and pray for them that despitefully use you. Matthew 5:46, 44; Luke 6:28 And that we should communicate to the needy, and do nothing for glory, He said, Give to him that asks, and from him that would borrow turn not away; for if you lend to them of whom you hope to receive, what new thing are you doing? Even the publicans do this. …” – Blessed St. Justin Martyr or Blessed St. Justin of Rome or Justin of Neapolis, a Great Early Christian Apologist who is a Foremost Exponent of the Divine Word, who Influenced Virtually all of subsequent Christian philosophy and Catholic theology, Martyr for Christ, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church (c. 100AD – c. 160 AD, First Apology, Chapter 15. What Christ himself taught)
Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0126.htm
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#ProsperityGospel is #False #Matthew633 #ScriptureInterpretScripture with #JustinofRome #JustinMartyr #Ireneus #Chiliasm #ChurchFathers quoting #WhatHeSaid #CharityDoctrine with #WhatYouHave and #Not #ChurchMoney #Nor #DonationMoney only for #TreasureinHeaven to have #ChristsHeart and #LampsLit .
CHILIASM POSSIBILITY Example (NOT Doctrine as I am “not” 100% Sure) Please remember that if “Chiliasm” quote below is true, then almost “no” denomination has interpreted this Verse rightly as far as I know because PROPHETS can have ZERO PROPHECY ERROR because the Holy Spirit of God makes ZERO mistake. Also, that’s why I think both St. Justin Martyr and St. Ireneaous of Lyons can be CHILIASM PROPHETS as their quotes agree as both view PSALM 82’s “gods” context as referring to “Christians as the Bride from “Heaven” rendering CHARITY DOCTRINE JUDGMENT to ALL MEN opening up the POSSIBILITY of NON-ELECT SALVATION as ‘sinless humans’ on final new earth most never entering heaven (which Christians were such ‘sinless humans’ too for 1000 years during Millennial Reign before the CHANGE into ANGELIC type at end of 1000 years as CHRIST Shares “His Flesh” and CHRISTIANS ONLY become ONE FLESH with HIM sharing HIS DIVINITY in SOME WAY) as detailed in [From Page 587 to 600 onward of the #ChiliasmBook], too much details please view there. Why this is important? Imagine the amount of “false prophets” (having false prophecy just based on Psalm 82 alone in the world today if they are right), I am “not” accusing anyone but I just present the “evidence” and let GOD have Mercy on whomever He Wills.
#FalseProphet vs #HumanError #GodsWill #HisBride #Church #Ekklesia #Chosen #Psalm82 #youaregodscontext #Ireneus #JustinMartyr #ChurchFathers #Chiliasm #Prophecy #2Peter120 #PossibilityNotDoctrine #NonElectSalvation #CharityDoctrine #BibleMystery #Bible #NewTestament #Prophets .
*Link for free pdf of #ChiliasmBook : vii) #chiliasmbook
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IzLcp1E-YoDtpAGY9qfnLeCL7ojc6-nj/view?usp=sharing
Example “Truthful” Research using St. Methodius of Olympus who is a “Chiliasm Church Father” but NEVER taught “Praying/Veneration to Mary”
#Methodius #MethodiusofOlympus #ChiliasmChurchFather #Chiliasm #VirginMary #ChurchFathers .
If you notice the non-Chiliasm position of St. Augustine of Hippo is followed by most Roman Catholics which even they are afraid to call their “official” position simply because compared with the #Chiliasm position of the Greatest Fathers of the Church with NO ONE NON-CHILIASM Big Name as St. Justin Martyr (St. Justin of Rome) has mentioned as an ALLOWED ERROR and NOT that he is VIEWING it as ANY POSSIBILITY (can you SEE it?) the chances are “so low” for Roman Catholics actually to be right in this as you can compare in example links below (image shown as link hard to access at times? – please download image and zoom in):
1) Roman Catholic example of St. Augustine of Hippo to support the non-Chiliasm position
http://semperaltius.com/millennium.htm
Versus
2) #Chiliasm position with Church Fathers such as St. Papias, St. Ireneaous of Lyons, St. Justin of Rome (or St. Justin Martyr), St. Melito of Sardis, St. Victorinus, Tertullian, St. Methodius of Olympus, Blessed Lactantius etc. (please ignore the heretics quoted as “heretics” also believe in Eternal Hell and their own versions of chiliasm but I do NOT believe in those but only from the CHILIASM CHURCH FATHERS listed here – can you SEE it?)
https://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/millennium-and-millenarianism
Peace to you
A Nice Read: Basically the Roman Catholic authour himself proves that “#Chiliasm” is held by all the earliest and greatest fathers the Church has ever known and the “first” big name opposing it was “Origen of Alexandria” but he is “no” match for the names quoted to believe in “Chiliasm” but somehow this #Prophecy position was lost in time gradually, link in details:
https://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/millennium-and-millenarianism
Note: Example names quoted in the article for #Chiliasm support are St. Papias, St. Ireneaous of Lyons, St. Justin of Rome (or St. Justin Martyr), Tertullian, St. Methodius of Olympus etc.
That’s why I think this #Chiliasm #possibility (since no one can say 100% until it comes to pass) has the highest probability of being true for me). Let God Decide.
Peace to you
[Text] St. Irenaeous of Lyons links the “Washing Feet” incident of Lord Jesus Christ to include “possible” NON Elect Salvation for “… but for all men altogether, … ” toward those who practiced both HOLINESS and CHARITY DOCTRINE only even as He DESCENDED into SHEOL/HADES (“on whose account He also descended into the lower parts of the earth, Ephesians 4:9”) where I did not quote the washing feet part in [Page 57 onward of the #ChiliasmBook] but here I show that it’s part of this context for his writing:
“… 1 Now in the last days, when the fulness of the time of liberty had arrived, the Word Himself did by Himself “wash away the filth of the daughters of Zion,” when He washed the disciples’ feet with His own hands. For this is the end of the human race inheriting God; that as in the beginning, by means of our first [parents], we were all brought into bondage, by being made subject to death; so at last, by means of the New Man, all who from the beginning [were His] disciples, having been cleansed and washed from things pertaining to death, should come to the life of God. For He who washed the feet of the disciples sanctified the entire body, and rendered it clean. … on whose account He also descended into the lower parts of the earth, Ephesians 4:9 to behold with His eyes the state of those who were resting from their labours, in reference to whom He did also declare to the disciples: Many prophets and righteous men have desired to see and hear what you see and hear. Matthew 13:17 2. For it was not merely for those who believed on Him in the time of Tiberius Cæsar that Christ came, nor did the Father exercise His providence for the men only who are now alive, but for all men altogether, who from the beginning, according to their capacity, in their generation have both feared and loved God, and practised justice and piety towards their neighbours, and have earnestly desired to see Christ, and to hear His voice. Wherefore He shall, at His second coming, first rouse from their sleep all persons of this description, and shall raise them up, as well as the rest who shall be judged, and give them a place in His kingdom. …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD,, Against Heresies (Book IV, Chapter 22))
Roman Catholic Source:
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103422.htm
Peace to you
Ireneous quote explanation. [Text] The question is whether is there elect salvation only (those saved on earth now) or also possible non-Elect Salvation (those saved only after seeing & believing Christ in the Spirit World)? I use the famous “All Israel is not Israel” Verse down the famous “Romans Road chapters” (Romans 9 to 11) to see if at least “some” (if not all) can be saved as “non-Elect”? For this I present Calvinism which says no such thing versus St. Ireneaous of Lyons using this same Verse of “All Israel saved” together with “Christ Saviour of the World verse” (extended to include Gentiles too) in the Context of “Lost Sheep which perished on earth” (unsaved on earth) which according to St. Ireneaous of Lyons Christ Seeks out to Save in the “Spirit World” (things in earth beneath) after they “fulfill their time of punishment for disobedience earlier on earth for not believing there first”. I am “not” 100% sure if St. Ireneaous means this in image but it’s “possible” so I consider it as a “possibility” and not doctrine in cases I am not sure. If this interpretation is true then these non-elect salvation ones could be the “nations who are saved on earth with terrestrial (lower) body salvation” as mentioned in Revelation 21:24 & 1 Corinthians 15:40 after Judgment Day Context who are contrasted against the “Bride” (Church) in this same Chapter (Revelation 21:9) with whom only Christ “Marries” (allegorically) meaning He Shares His Flesh/Divinity in some way (Ephesians 5:31 – 32) making only the Christians or “Bride” as having “Celestial” (Heavenly Bodies) to dwell in the new heavens after judgment day (Revelation 21:1) the lowest heaven of the “Final New Jerusalem City” which connects to that final new earth (Revelation 21:2) but NOT everyone enters even the lowest heaven from nations who are saved which is filtered with the gate (Revelation 22:14) and Christians specifically “dwell in heaven” as mentioned “go out no more from this lowest heaven meaning it’s their permanent dwelling” (Revelation 3:12) strengthening the possibility that “those on final new earth” could be “non-elect salvation” (much lower). I detail these out in #ChiliasmBook as a possibility (not doctrine as I am not sure). The ancient Jewish Book of 1Enoch (possibly quoted by Blessed Apostle St. Jude as Scripture) seems to support this exegesis as detailed in Pages 894 onward or Page 14 in that same #ChiliasmBook . Peace to you
Important Note: Though sometimes I write in a way that may give the feel that “possibility” might just be true and refute the ideas against it, it does NOT necessarily mean I am “right” simply because I am well aware that I can be misinterpreting (but in light of these First Christianity quotes, I also could be right) and that’s why I present all this honestly as a “possibility” only either way and accept whichever God Reveals as Right One Day. Here are links for free pdf download for all these books:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZDghJN2eq7MyygtUpbNVFW—LGorSMv/view?usp=share_link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1__t7iB0HZsI4P6dqXAxxBjk_WnC1J2wb/view?usp=share_link
iii) #SafeRouteScripturallyBook
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HUXXa2kgpImEpVWFg4AN0SBc0x4ulSLn/view?usp=share_link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1N5bK-LoBAg4VQN8eLtVWsqkQyoGE0Ad_/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-zX7XgzguBYHkXWucUZ6xfMInbwtj0Z3/view?usp=share_link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XZDENeSl6mNPi6hyfGqvzBJCBlzAoqM9/view?usp=share_link
vii) #ChiliasmBook
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IzLcp1E-YoDtpAGY9qfnLeCL7ojc6-nj/view?usp=sharing
viii) #DoctrineBook or #BookofDoctrine
https://drive.google.com/file/d/12QmUFyND5rTAZo4jT5M_qRAukf-hnRBD/view?usp=sharing
Thank you
Conclusion of Doctrine- Parable of Sower to Fulfill the Great Commission’s Obey all that I commanded you part (Matthew 28:20) – Spirit of Truth (Holy Spirit) vs spirit of error is Revealed in 1 John 3:24 as NEVER making a mistake in context of Obeying His Commands [Note: I cannot quote every verse here in full due to space so please see pages quoted] 1) Parable of Sower’s “Seed” is “Word of God” (Luke 8:11) and NOT “number of converts” which is “good ground” (Luke 8:15) meaning referring to “His Commands” which produces either “thirtyfold, sixtyfold and hundredfold” levels (Luke 8:8). Martin Luther (First Protestant, Lutheran), John Wesley (Methodist), John Calvin (Reformed) agreed on all these DOCTRINE parts as shown with PROOF from their OWN SOURCES with GREAT CHURCH FATHERS too. www.AnonymousChristian.org
Charity Doctrine is His Commandment to have His Love (1 John 3:23) which few Verses earlier defines it as CHARITY DOCTRINE with either EARTHLY or SPIRITUAL THINGS (this WORLD’s GOODS) for FREE for NEEDS CONTEXT only (not prosperity) in 1 John 3:16 – 18. Then we can say “we BELIEVE in HIM” by GOD’s GRACE.
Last Sermon
If I had a Last Sermon this would be it. It matches what is taught by all Protestant Founders and Church Fathers and so we are saved by following likewise and strive to do His Will.
Simple Logic: So are all Church Fathers and Protestant Founders I quoted who agree on these doctrinal parts as I have quoted in the Doctrine Book are false teachers? Please don’t be silly as God only allows error if it’s non-essential doctrine and where they have agreed, it’s God Who has led them. The only commandments applying to Gentile believers are those re-iterated through the New Testament Verses and not all 613 commandments. If all 613 commandments were applicable for every Gentile believer, all those Verses in Galatians to Acts 15 and Acts 21 and elsewhere do not need to exist as Blessed Apostle St. Paul (the Apostle to the Gentiles) would have just written ‘observe all Torah’ which he did NOT. Peace to you
Is there Jew vs Gentile and Male vs Female on earth now? Yes and it’s only removed in AFTER the RESURRECTION and MILENNIAL REIGN CONTEXT onward.
Because two Christians will claim to have the Holy Spirit and yet not follow Christ the same way. I avoid this risk: “… 38But since you say, ‘The [l]oracle of the Lord!’ therefore thus says the Lord: ‘Because you say this word, “The oracle of the Lord!” and I have sent to you, saying, “Do not say, ‘The oracle of the Lord!’ ” 39therefore behold, I, even I, WILL UTTERLY FORGET YOU and FORSAKE YOU, and the city that I gave you and your fathers, and will cast you out of My presence. 40And I WILL BRING AN EVERLASTING REPROACH UPON YOU, AND A PERPETUAL SHAME, WHICH SHALL NOT BE FORGOTTEN.’ ” …” (Jeremiah 23:38 – 40, NKJV) If you don’t believe in the Bible or Church Fathers or Protestant Founders, I have nothing to say. I am not self absorbed to think voices in my head is truth instead when it speaks against Bible Verses confirmed by the writings of the Church Fathers and Protestant Founders with Church History confirming its practice that way.
Mr. Charles Fox Parham was the “First” person through whom God Gave this Gift back into Modern Christianity (if true) and so when I said the “Second” Person to Speak in Tongues I mean in terms of “names” mentioned he is “Second” as per “their own words” from “their own testimonies” and “First” because it was through him (if God Chose him) as follows:
[From Page 848/849 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
b) ii) Mr. Charles Parham’s Testimony of Receiving this Gift of Speaking in Tongues only on the “later” date 3 January 1901 (Founder of Pentecostalism and Charismatic Gift of Speaking in Tongues)
“… On the night of January 3rd, I preached at the Free Methodist Church in the City of Topeka, telling them what had already happened, and that I expected upon returning the entire school to be baptized in the Holy Spirit. On returning to the school with one of the students, we ascended to the second floor, and passing down along the corridor in the upper room, heard most wonderful sounds. The door was slightly ajar, the room was lit with only coal oil lamps. As I pushed open the door I found the room was filled with a sheen of white light above the brightness of the lamps … After praising God for some time, I asked Him for the same blessing. He distinctly made it clear to me that He raised me up and trained me to declare this mighty truth to the world, and if i was willing to stand for it, with all the persecutions, heardships, trials, slander, scandal that it would entail, He would give me the blessing. And I said, “Lord I will, if You will just give me this blessing.” Right then there came a slight twist in my throat, a glory fell over me and I began to worship Gos in the Swedish tongue, which later changed to other languages and continued so until the morning. …” – Mr. Charles Parham, Founder of Pentecostalism and Gift of Speaking in Tongues in Modern Charismatic Christianity (“The Latter Rain”, As Told By The Late Charles F. Parham, Re-printed in The Apostolic Faith – April 1951)
Source:
https://www.apostolicarchives.com/articles/article/8801925/173163.htm
i) Ms. Agnes’ Testimony that she got the Baptism of the Holy Spirit First on 1 January 1901
“… On watch night we had a blessed service, praying that God’s blessing might rest upon us as the New Year came in. During the first day of 1901 the presence of the Lord was with us in a marked way stilling our hearts to wait upon Him for greater things. The spirit of prayer was upon us in the evening. It was nearly seven o’clock on this first of January that it came into my heart to ask Brother Parham to lay his hands upon me that I might receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. It was as his hands were laid upon my head that the Holy Spirit fell upon me and I began to speak in tongues, glorifying God. I talked several languages, and ir was clearly manifest when a new dialect was spoken. I had the added joy and glory my heart longed for and a depth of the presence of the Lord within that I had never known before. it was as if rivers of living waters were preceeding from my innermost being. …” – Ms. Agnes Ozman [ Personal Testimony of being the first person to Receive the Holy Ghost at “Stones Folly” in Topeka, Kansas. (January 1, 1901) Printed in the Apostolic Faith April – 1951 ]
Source:
https://www.apostolicarchives.com/articles/article/8801925/173171.htm
Peace to you
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wesley
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Boehler
Prayers Answered, Good Salary and Job is not Testimony that God has approved their ways AGAINST New Testament Traditions
[Email Text] sent 30 July 2023
Hi Dr. Vincent and Prof. Gopi,
Your HR Staff Nesette tried to WhatsApp me again from another number just now only (image 3 attached). I blocked that number because I do NOT want her to reply. I want Dr. Vincent Chian only to reply if he wants to talk about it. If he does not want to talk about it, then let’s just skip it (human free will). Just to refresh your memory and so everyone else knows too, please see image 4 attached where I blocked the initial contact from your school it was spam and it was Mrs. Cynthia Chian (your mom perhaps) who insisted on me getting on it and I gave you every one of my material in full but no job given. It’s okay as I cannot falsely accuse you of using it in any way (only God Knows).
The reason I only want Dr. Vincent to reply is because
1) The fact that yesterday I put up the post and today Nesette changes her phone number proves something is shady (Image 3)
2) I am a Christian and for me I quote this Verse for your reply (if you do or not doesn’t matter) as it stands in regards to Nesette too:
“… If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”…” (John 20:23, NKJV)
3) I want to see if Dr. Vincent is willing to risk his reputation & Bible Verse judgment above that “Nesette is telling the truth and not covering up now”. If you think the Bible Verse has no effect, I want God to Prove it in the Spirit World after we “die”.
4) Please remember I already show grace even in allowing your school to download all my material though I cannot say for sure if they’re using it or not and even after all that yesterday’s scam type job offer was repeated by Nesette after April too and such a provocation makes me to judge since this is too much I have borne (who knows you guys may be playing me out from other school’s employment via contacts so I cannot prove it so let God Judge all of this together not now on earth but after we “die”).
Best Regards,
Jonathan Ramachandran (Jon)
Personal Healing Story from Voices and impossible situations generally due to wrong relationships in the past. My link part image:
I think personally St. Augustine of Hippo is right on this doctrinal point as many other Church Father quotes and First Christianity Quotes agree. Quotes with links (Text):
“… John Wesley, the father of Methodism, demonstrated a break with the Reformers and a decided preference for the Anglican teaching out of which he came. He treated divorce and remarriage in the context of polygamy: “All polygamy is clearly forbidden in these words, wherein our Lord expressly declares, that for any woman who has a husband alive, to marry again is adultery.”[63] The same held true for a man. In contrast to Luther and Calvin, Wesley did not allow divorce on the grounds of cruelty. The only ground was adultery, in which case there was no Scripture forbidding the innocent party from remarrying.[64] …”
[63] Wesley’s Standard Sermons (ed. Edward H. Sugden; London: Epworth Press, 1921) 1:360.
[64] Ibid., 1:360.
Source: https://theologicalstudies.org.uk/article_divorce_snuth.html
The Council of Elvira (c. 300) vigorously opposed remarriage. Women who divorced their husbands, regardless of grounds, were to be excommunicated. If an “innocent” wife (who divorced an adulterous husband) were to remarry, she was to be denied the sacraments until her first husband’s death, after which she might find readmission to the church. Because, however, her crime was not as serious as that of a “guilty” party, if she were to die before her first husband, she might receive the sacrament of extreme unction.[7]
[7] Arendzen, “Ante-Nicene Interpetations,” 238-39
“… Our Lord, therefore, in order to confirm that principle, that a wife should not lightly be put away, made the single exception of fornication; but enjoins that all other annoyances, if any such should happen to spring up, be borne with fortitude for the sake of conjugal fidelity and for the sake of chastity; and he also calls that man an adulterer who should marry her that has been divorced by her husband. And the Apostle Paul shows the limit of this state of affairs, for he says it is to be observed as long as her husband lives; but on the husband’s death he gives permission to marry. …” – Blessed St. Augustine of Hippo, the Third Great Latin Doctor of the Church, who influenced virtually all of subsequent Western philosophy and Catholic theology, as well as a significant amount of Protestant theology, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church (c. 354 AD – c. 430 AD, Augustine, Our Lord’s Sermon on the Mount, Book 1, Chapter 14) Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/16011.htm
“… Martin Luther deplored divorce and “thought it clear, both from the ordinance of creation and the teaching of Christ, that marriage is meant to last throughout life”.[40] He taught that the innocent party in adultery and the innocent party in desertion were exceptions in which divorce was allowed on Scriptural grounds.[40] With regard to the innocent party in adultery, Luther held that “the guilty party severed the marriage tie so that the innocent one can act as though his spouse has died and he is free to marry again”.[40] Concerning the innocent party in desertion, Luther taught that this was an extension of the Pauline privilege as “any husband or wife who deserted the home proved themselves to be unbelievers in fact, whatever they might be in name, and therefore should be treated as such.”[40] …”- Blessed Martin Luther, The First Champion of the Protestant Faith
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_views_on_divorce
For Augustine, “even from the union of the two, the man and woman, marriage bears a certain sacramental character, (which) can no way be dissolved but by the death of one of them.”[11] Such a sacramental bond holds in spite of adultery or divorce. Accordingly, he argued that, while divorce is permissible because of fornication on the part of one spouse (though he candidly admitted that he did not know whether fornication referred to “acts of uncleanness” or to “every transgression of the law on account of unlawful lust,” e.g., idolatry or covetousness), remarriage is out of the question, for, regardless of circumstances or who may be the guilty party, the marriage bond remains.[12] Unless and until the original spouse dies, remarriage is adultery. Source: https://theologicalstudies.org.uk/article_divorce_snuth.html
Thank you
In Image, Jacob (Israel) is often misunderstood to have partaken of some type of partiality and hence quoted by some to justify their nepotism to racism which is utterly wrong. Here I reveal with Bible and First Christianity quote that God Chose Jacob knowing that he will repent and be willing to be cheated even in work context to do the right thing regardless for 14 to 20 years!
i) #chiliasmbook
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IzLcp1E-YoDtpAGY9qfnLeCL7ojc6-nj/view?usp=sharing
ii) #DoctrineBook or #bookofdoctrine
https://drive.google.com/file/d/12QmUFyND5rTAZo4jT5M_qRAukf-hnRBD/view?usp=sharing
Jonathan Academic and Work CV (Latest Update: 10 August 2023) link in free pdf:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xio83O0-hmpl5aPGrxMYvjgygeKPIQ5O/view?usp=sharing
Highlight: Please view the theological explanations from the last chapter listed on the Page on contents in image to understand “Why” I link my Christian Beliefs to my Work methods and how it links to both the Protestant Founders and Earliest Church Fathers in some way. Thank you
The Original Protestants do “not” believe in “Women Pastors” till today. So there is “no” condemnation in following this doctrinal point.
Do Christians need to observe Saturday /Sunday as Sabbath?
The True Church has “nothing” to do with “number of conversions”; please remember that even Praying to Virgin Mary Roman Catholics have “more converts” than your local ‘small modern denomination in comparison’ and has brought the Gospel into ‘new lands and hard territories for 2000 years’ meaning either God is Merciful to save more but Reward & Elect vs Non-Elect Salvation is possible or there are really very few indeed saved and also Christians will “convert” into “any type of Christianity which meets their preconceived ideas even if it’s against New Testament Verses affecting gradation (Matthew 5:17- 20’s least vs great in heaven due to breaking His Commands)”. These are the risks and possibilities in a nutshell so may God Help us to be Wise Biblically. Peace to you
[Text] Explanation is [From Page 2145 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]. What did St. Justin mean when he says “… who say … their souls, when they die, are taken to heaven; do not imagine that they are Christians,? …” Doesn’t that plainly contradict Luke 16:19 – 31? Not really. What St. Justin Martyr means as heaven is far more complex than ‘what we assume’ to be. Both St. Papias of Hierapolis and St. Irenaeous of Lyons expounded that “heaven” was separated into three distinct layers. He referred to the first as just “heaven”, the second as “paradise”, and the third as “the city”. Papias taught that “there is this distinction between the habitation of those who produce a hundredfold, and that of those who produce sixty-fold, and that of those who produce thirty-fold”.
This means that when we die, as Christians, with ‘our soul we will enter Paradise’ immediately (as per Luke 16:19 – 31) and await the ‘redemption of the body’ (Romans 8:23) to enter ‘heaven’ later when He Returns during the First Resurrection (Revelation 20:4 – 6). Yes, a soul with spirit can live in the afterlife abodes or regions such as ‘Abraham’s Bosom’ or Paradise (Luke 16:19 – 31, Revelation 6:10) or be gathered in the New Jerusalem City for the Wedding (Galatians 4:26, Revelation 21:2, Revelation 19:7 – 9) but to ‘live on earth again or to enter higher into the heavens’, we need to partake of the Resurrection First (Revelation 20:4 – 6, Hebrews 11:39 – 40, Hebrews 12:21 – 24). Please also remember that this same St. Justin Martyr has other possible non-Elect Salvation quotes too as I have shown say [From Pages 72 or 221 or 252 onward of the #ChiliasmBook] which is too much to quote here.
St. Justin Martyr is most likely right because:
1) Today in Paradise Verse
Actually Christ did not Say after you resurrect in His Kingdom but corrected that thief and Said, “Today” (the same day they died) they will be in “Paradise”:
“… And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, TODAY you will be with Me in Paradise.”…” (Luke 23:43, NKJV)
2) We can gather in “spirit” first at “Paradise or New Jerusalem” before the “Resurrection” [From Page 1384 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]
“… 22But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 23to the [j]general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel. …” (Hebrews 12:22 – 24, NKJV)
Note: The “heavenly Jerusalem CITY” (Lowest Heaven) seems to be the “common gathering place of the Church too” of those of the “firstborn” or “First Resurrection”.
3) But only AFTER the Resurrection (with full NEW BODY) we can partake of the TREE of LIFE in this PARADISE [From Page 181 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
“… He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the CHURCHES. To him who overcomes I WILL GIVE TO EAT from the TREE OF LIFE, which is in the midst of the Paradise of God. …” (Revelation 2:7, NKJV)
“… 12“And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to GIVE TO EVERY ONE ACCORDING TO HIS WORK. 13I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.” 14BLESSED are those WHO DO HIS COMMANDMENTS, that they may have the RIGHT to THE TREE OF LIFE, and may ENTER through the GATES INTO THE CITY. 15But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie. 16“I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star. …” (Revelation 22:12 – 16, NKJV)
Peace to you
Loving Judas is the silliest quote and it means using Church Money for Prosperity blessing as they like and also NO charity Doctrine with that money.
Esau the Example that Prosperity is NOT Proof of God’s Endorsement and even means UNSAVED and HATED by GOD
Depths of “Biblical” Thought but it must also be found in Church Fathers and/or Protestant Founders for me where if they differ only there’s possibilities in Doctrine (someone could be in error, let God Decide) but on points which they have all agreed, I don’t argue as I demonstrated in the #DoctrineBook or #BookofDoctrine. Peace to you.
A Summary regarding What I think God’s Will is for ALL Christians
#FollowChrist #newtestamenttraditions #ApostlePaul #christian #christianity #protestant #Protestantism #ChurchFathers #church #johnwesley #methodist #methodistchurch #ProsperityGospel #CharityDoctrine #parableofthesower #Give #ireneus #DoctoroftheChurch .
I don’t think the Church Fathers and Protestant Founders have erred on this part because they are following “what is Written”. Example: Christ Himself NEVER ordained one woman pastor nor sent any women to the preaching excursions he did with males (He never set that example). What is “possible” is the “modern women pastors & those who follow their ways etc.” claims “contradict” each other even more. Can the Holy Spirit of God Say one thing to a woman pastor and another thing to another woman pastor? Wanna try an experiment to prove this, it’s simple. Let’s take 100 pastors from pentecostal churches and ask them to pray and vote for say 3 candidates who God thinks should be president of their Bible own Bible School, and since all of them claim to “hold direct conversation with the Most Blessed Spirit of God”, are you sure all 100 of them will vote for the “same person”? Please remember that Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is Unforgiven which is word spoken against Him (Matthew 12:30 -32). Example in image.
#Womenpastors #MartinLuther #Lutheran #FirstProtestant #ChurchFathers #BibleVerse .
Someone from the “Orthodox” Church said that “Chiliasm is a heresy”.
Reply
Simple Answers with Actual Church History does NOT support anyone against #Chiliasm
Example:
There is NO error in Chiliasm. The “priest” you quoted is NOT the one appointed in the lineage of the Blessed Apostles because they do NOT believe in CHILIASM anymore. Here are the ones to consider:
“… Millennialism was taught by various earlier writers such as Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Commodian, Lactantius, Methodius, and Apollinaris of Laodicea in a form now called premillennialism.[9] According to religious scholar Rev. Dr. Francis Nigel Lee,[10] “Justin’s ‘Occasional Chiliasm’ sui generis which was strongly anti-pretribulationistic was followed possibly by Pothinus in A.D. 175 and more probably (around 185) by Irenaeus”. … MELITO OF SARDIS is frequently listed as a second century proponent of premillennialism.[12] The support usually given for the supposition is that “Jerome [Comm. on Ezek. 36] and Gennadius [De Dogm. Eccl., Ch. 52] both affirm that he was a decided millenarian.”[13] In the early third century, Hippolytus of Rome … Around 220, there were some similar influences on Tertullian, although only with very important and extremely optimistic (if not perhaps even postmillennial) modifications and implications. On the other hand, “Christian Chiliastic” ideas were indeed advocated in 240 by Commodian; in 250 by the Egyptian Bishop Nepos in his Refutation of Allegorists; in 260 by the almost unknown Coracion; and in 310 by Lactantius. Into the late fourth century, Bishop Ambrose of Milan had millennial leanings (Ambrose of Milan. Book II. On the Belief in the Resurrection, verse 108). Lactantius is the last great literary defender of chiliasm in the early Christian church. …”
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennialism
By the way before you ask whether can Orthodox Christianity be wrong? Well you guys see Roman Catholics as wrong meaning if they can be wrong so can you and anyone else. My style: Unless you can find Church Fathers “greater” in the lineage of the Blessed Apostles listed above who ALL BELIEVE in CHILIASM (where the details contradict or are misunderstood, we can debate as evidence is there for First Christianity), I am “not” going to follow your school of thought.
Yet again, thank you for sharing your points so anyone can read both sides and decide for themselves which is right.
Peace to you
#newtestamenttraditions #Christian #God #Command #Heaven #Matthew517 #Matthew518 #NewTestament #KingdomofHeaven #Tongues #Teachers #Apostles #Torah #Law #Miracles #Healing #GiftsoftheSpirit #ApostlePaul #LordJesusChrist #biblesecrets #ChurchFathers .
#prosperitygospelisfalse #ProsperityGospel #CharityDoctrine #Charity #FollowChrist #newtestamenttraditions #christian #christianity #protestant #Protestantism #ChurchFathers #church #MyCV10August2023 #MyCV1Sep2023 #Lesson4Life #Heaven #TreasureinHeaven #WhatChristSaid #WhatJesusSaid #WhatHeSaid #Holiness #HolinessandCharityDoctrine .
[Text] Another Bible Verse which proves #ProsperityGospel false because the “righteous” is “perishing” on “earthly life perspective” but the “wicked” is “prospering” in “earthly life perspective” meaning there is NO such promise even for those “obedient to God”. Please remember that the #ProsperityGospel exists on the fact that if you are obedient to God, then “#Health and #Wealth will be proof and given 100% guaranteed. See the FALSE TEACHING here? Please don’t be deceived.
“… There is a vanity which occurs on earth, that THERE ARE JUST MEN TO WHOM IT HAPPENS ACCORDING TO THE WORK OF THE WICKED; again, THERE ARE WICKED MEN TO WHOM IT HAPPENS ACCORDING TO THE WORK OF THE RIGHTEOUS. I said that this also is vanity. …” (Ecclesiastes 8:14, NKJV)
[From Page 367 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]
Yes, Strangely, these Bible Verses also describe that the “WICKED” have “NO PANGS in their DEATH” meaning they “die peacefully” and “have healthy bodies prior too”, Verses:
“… 3For I was envious of the boastful, When I saw the PROSPERITY OF THE WICKED. 4For there are NO [A]PANGS IN THEIR DEATH, But their strength is firm. 5They are not in trouble as other men, Nor are they plagued like other men. 6Therefore pride serves as their necklace; Violence covers them like a garment. 7Their [b]eyes bulge with abundance; THEY HAVE MORE THAN HEART COULD WISH. …” (Psalm 73:3 – 7, NKJV)
Then what is the LAW in which GOD GOVERNS HEALTH and WEALTH? “TIME and CHANCE” meaning CONTENTMENT DOCTRINE no matter what happens and keep doing HIS WILL of FAITH and GOOD WORKS especially CHARITY DOCTRINE by RELATIVE MEASURE as even this SAME BOOK of ECCLESIASTES CONCLUDES likewise, example Verses [From Page 234 onward of the #DoctrineBook]:
“… 11I returned and saw under the sun that— The race is not to the swift, Nor the battle to the strong, Nor bread to the wise, NOR RICHES to MEN OF UNDERSTANDING, Nor favor to men of skill; But TIME AND CHANCE HAPPEN to THEM ALL. …” (Ecclesiastes 9:11, NKJV)
“… 9What profit has the worker from that in which he labors? 10I have seen the GOD-GIVEN TASK with which the SONS OF MEN are to be OCCUPIED. 11He has MADE EVERYTHING BEAUTIFUL IN ITS TIME. Also HE HAS PUT ETERNITY [Olam/Aeon] IN THEIR HEARTS, except that NO ONE CAN FIND OUT THE WORK THAT GOD DOES FROM BEGINNING TO END. 12I know that NOTHING IS BETTER for them than to REJOICE, and TO DO GOOD IN THEIR LIVES, 13and also that every man should eat and drink and enjoy the good of all his labor—it is the gift of God. …” (Ecclesiastes 3:9 – 13, NKJV)
Which type of DO GOOD? Obeying CHRIST’s COMMANDMENTS especially CHARITY DOCTRINE being the CROWN of PERFECTION: [From Page 1311 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]
“… 16Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good[d] Teacher, what GOOD THING SHALL I DO that I may have ETERNAL LIFE?” 17So He said to him, [e]“Why do you call Me good? [f]No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to ENTER INTO LIFE, KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS.” 18He said to Him, “WHICH ONES?” JESUS SAID, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ” 20The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept [g]from my youth. WHAT DO I STILL LACK?” 21JESUS SAID to him, “IF you want to be PERFECT, go, SELL what YOU HAVE and GIVE to the POOR, and YOU WILL HAVE TREASURE IN HEAVEN; and come, FOLLOW ME.” 22But when the young man heard that saying, he went away SORROWFUL, for he had GREAT POSSESSIONS. …” (Matthew 19:16 – 22, NKJV)
No Wisdom is above what CHRIST TAUGHT here FOR LIFE. Peace to you
#assemblingtogether #hebrews1024 #meaningofChurch #Church #ChurchGathering #Matthew1820 #CharityDoctrine .
Link for Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buE_noh3VR0
#ProsperityGospelisFalse #Ireneus #AgainstHeresies #JesseDuplantis #ProsperityGospel #SeenJesus #ChurchFathers #Reformed #Heresies .
WHY I do NOT and NEVER will PRAY to VIRGIN MARY NOR the Saints Practice. Simple: 1 Corinthians 4:6 Says to NOT to go beyond “What is Written” and even Dr. Taylor Marshall the famous “Roman” Catholic defender admits that he “cannot” find Prayers to Virgin Mary in the BIBLE, and so the only SCRIPTURAL CONCLUSION here is DO NOT DO IT. End of Argument. Peace to you
#Prayer #PrayerstoVirginMary #VirginMary #PrayertoSaints #DoNotGoBeyondWhatisWritten #1Corinthians46 #Ireneus #AgainstHeresies #ProtestantFounders #Protestant #romanCatholic #Orthodox #Christian #Chiliasm #ChurchFathers #ChurchHistory #Bible #Scripture .
Unwritten women pastors to Prayers to Virgin Mary – 1 Corinthians 4:6 Says to NOT to go beyond “What is Written” in CONTEXT of New Testament Traditions (especially those enforced with Old Testament too such as NO Women Pastors as per 1 Timothy 2:12 with Isaiah 3:12 or 1 Corinthians 14:33 etc.)
#Unwritten #DoNotGoBeyondWhatisWritten #1Corinthians46 #Isaiah311 #Isaiah312 #WomenPastors #PrayerstoVirginMary #NewTestamentTraditions #ChiliasmBook .
[From Page 878 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
“… Where, then, was the first man placed? In paradise certainly, as the Scripture declares And God planted a garden [paradisum] eastward in Eden, and there He placed the man whom He had formed. Genesis 2:8 And then afterwards when [man] proved disobedient, he was cast out thence into this world. Wherefore also the elders who were disciples of the apostles tell us that those who were translated were transferred to that place (for paradise has been prepared for righteous men, such as have the Spirit; in which place also Paul the apostle, when he was caught up, heard words which are unspeakable as regards us in our present condition 2 Corinthians 12:4), and that there shall they who have been translated remain until the consummation [of all things], as a prelude to immortality.…” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, Against Heresies (Book 5(V), Chapter 5, Points 1, 2-partial)) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103505.htm
[From Page 153 onward of the #MyCV1Sep2023]
This means that when we die, as Christians, with ‘our soul we will enter Paradise’ immediately (as per Luke 16:19 – 31) and await the ‘redemption of the body’ (Romans 8:23) to enter ‘heaven’ later when He Returns during the First Resurrection (Revelation 20:4 – 6). Yes, a soul with spirit can live in the afterlife abodes or regions such as ‘Abraham’s Bosom’ or Paradise (Luke 16:19 – 31, Revelation 6:10) or be gathered in the New Jerusalem City for the Wedding (Galatians 4:26, Revelation 21:2, Revelation 19:7 – 9) but to ‘live on earth again or to enter higher into the heavens’, we need to partake of the Resurrection First (Revelation 20:4 – 6, Hebrews 11:39 – 40, Hebrews 12:21 – 24). Some portions of Paradise such as the tree of life is only accessible after bodily resurrection (Revelation 22:14) but yet this “heavenly Jerusalem” can be the “gathering of all the Church (Elect) in their spirit-state” as Hebrews 12:22 – 24 reveals. Compare below:
“… 12“And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to GIVE TO EVERY ONE ACCORDING TO HIS WORK. 13I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.” 14BLESSED are those WHO DO HIS COMMANDMENTS, that they may have the RIGHT to THE TREE OF LIFE, and may ENTER through the GATES INTO THE CITY. 15But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie. 16“I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star. …” (Revelation 22:12 – 16, NKJV)
“… 22But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 23to the [j]general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel. …” (Hebrews 12:22 – 24, NKJV)
Note: The “heavenly Jerusalem CITY” (Lowest Heaven) seems to be the “common gathering place of the Church too” of those of the “firstborn” or “First Resurrection”. Peace to you
Lord Jesus Christ’s Religion is “Holiness and Charity Doctrine” (both).
#GodReligion #ReligionofGod #Holiness #CharityDoctrine #James127 #Luke1412 #Luke1414 #LordJesusChrist #WhatHeSaid #Religion #ChiliasmBook .
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Which Christianity do I follow?
How to Know God? God Says Do Charity Doctrine
Love is Obeying His “New Testament” Commandments. Explanation in Image.
#WWJD #LoveGod #Agape #TrueLove #Love #WhatHeSaid #LordJesusChrist #CommandsofChrist #John1415 #John1423 #ChurchFathers #ProtestantFounders #NoSchism #FirstChristianity #NewTestamentTraditions #Gospel #9thCommandment #DoNOTbearaFALSEWitness #TenCommandments #10Commandments #EternalHell #EternalHellRisk #Doctrine #POSSIBILITIESofDoctrine #BookofDoctrine #DoctrineBook #AnonymousChristian .
[Text] Indeed that’s why I follow Protestant Founders and Church Fathers on the points which they agreed as Doctrine because they cannot be “false teachers” and for the doctrinal points where they have “differed”, someone is wrong and so I keep it as “possibilities” of doctrine instead. Those not Church fathers nor protestant founders could be the “counterfeits” and so I keep away from those parts and only do say “Charity Doctrine” since that we must work together with all and do to them regardless of race, doctrinal differences, different denominations, different gender or even different religion even. Peace to you
New Testament Verse by Christ Directly:
“… Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you. …” (Luke 22:20, NKJV)
[From Pages 305/438/1082 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]
The New Covenant is all about “Doing Good Works” for keeping (obeying) “our part of the Covenant”, Verse:
“… 20Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our LORD JESUS, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the BLOOD of the EVERLASTING COVENANT 21MAKE YOU PERFECT in EVERY GOOD WORK to DO HIS WILL, working in you that which is WELL PLEASING in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. …” (Hebrews 13:20 – 21, KJV)
Peace to you
Loving oneself and others Biblically. Self Examination: Are we LOVING BIBLICALLY as CHRIST COMMANDED with OUR MONEY (Finance Context)? Please read carefully as there is NO Christian (“Sons of Most High”) without this DOCTRINE.
#LordJesusChristCommand #CharityDoctrine #Loveyourenemies #GiveMoneytoenemies #GiveKnowledgetoEnemies #SonsofMostHigh #Christian #CharityDoctrineforAll #Bible #BibleFinance #ChurchMoney #GodsWill #LoveGod #Loveothers #LoveOthersasYourself #HopeNothinginReturnonEarth #HeavenlyReward #ProsperityGospel #ProsperityGospelisFalse #Luke169 .
[Text] The “them” (plural) is Hebrews 13:7 is Church Leaders (so Protestant Founders and Church Fathers) “whose faith we are to follow” and the reason is given in Verse 8 as because Jesus Christ is Same FOREVER meaning in this CONTEXT you CANNOT have a “different faith” than what LORD JESUS CHRIST gave the Protestant Founders and Church Fathers. Can you see the ‘real meaning’? So how is “your personal modern Christianity” obeying this Verse? Let each examine themselves. Peace to you
#LordJesusChrist #ProsperityGospelisFalse #ChurchFathers #ProtestantFounders #ImitateFaith #ProsperityGospel #FollowChrist #BibleCommand #BibleVerse #ObeyFoundersofChristianity #Christian #ObedienceisbetterthanSacrifice #Bible #Hebrews137 #Hebrews138 .
[Text] No such thing. Just some empty claims with no proofs. All them quoted the Bible and also we can match it to earliest Church Fathers writings which contradicts the Roman Catholic position too which means they are preserved as it is but not believed as I have demonstrated in the #ChiliasmBook and #BookofDoctrine. By the way, who do you believe? Yourself is it? If that’s true how come the Most Blessed Holy Spirit of God led all the Protestant Founders and even all the earliest Church Fathers into error (not to mention the billions of Christians in 2000 years) except yourself to truth? And I am supposed to believe this? If you can match your beliefs to Protestant Founders and Church Fathers, then you end up doing the same responsible preaching as I am doing too. Peace to you
[Text] Prosperity Gospel is the only Gospel that teaches to give so we get EARTHLY MONEY BLESSINGS in RETURN. TRUE GOSPEL teaches that GOD REWARDS with HEAVENLY REWARD as CHRIST clearly Revealed both in Luke 6 with phrases “hoping nothing in return” (earthly context, Luke 6:35) but getting “Heavenly” Reward (in the phrase being “SONS of the MOST HIGH” First Resurrection Context, Luke 6:35 with say Luke 20:34 – 36). If a someone says he does NOT want earthly NOR Heavenly Reward, that’s NOT a Christian and may his own words be done to him in that such ones WILL NEVER ENTER HEAVEN because THEY SAID they DID NOT WANT IT, RIGHT? No lies, just honest truth is needed. Peace to you
#LordJesusChrist #GoldenRule #Context #CharityDoctrine #ProsperityGospel #ProsperityGospelisFalse #Idolatry #Coveteousness #HeavenlyReward #SonsoftheMostHigh #Christian .
[Text] The Woman in the Well went and told the people to come and see Lord Jesus (same thing only was done by the women who saw Lord Jesus First at the Resurrection). Giving an “invite” does NOT make one a “Pastor” or “Doctrinal Authority” to do “Priestly Duties”. In fact, you can see in those Verses that Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ did NOT ever SEND HER NOR any other WOMEN (including His Mother, Virgin Mary the “Most Blessed” of all women too) to “PREACH the GOSPEL” excursions which He ONLY sent males even before the Resurrection and After. Can you SEE it? Women can share the gospel (am not against that) and can give invites to come to a “MALE PREACHER” but she CANNOT teach with AUTHORITY DOCTRINE NOR DO PRIESTLY/PASTOR Duties as CHRIST Revealed through Blessed Apostle St. Paul in these Verses (and neither did GOD ALLOW WOMEN PRIESTS in the OLD TESTAMENT either and He never used the argument of “more helps better” and also NO MAINSTREAM CHRISTIANITY before the 20th century had WOMEN PASTORS proving EVANGELISM WAS FINE WITHOUT them DOING THAT ROLE – can you REALLY see it? Yep NO Protestant Founder NOR Church Fathers endorsed “women pastors” either except chief heretics such as “Marcion” whom Blessed St. Polycarp the Disciple of Blessed Apostle St. John called as “Firstborn of Satan” for “many reasons”):
Part of WOMEN to be SAVED DOCTRINE in 1 Timothy lists this CONDITION of NOT HAVING WOMEN PASTORS as part of GODLINESS DOCTRINE as follows (Bible Verses not opinions):
“… 9in like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and [e]moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing, 10but, which is proper for WOMEN PROFESSING GODLINESS, WITH GOOD WORKS. 11Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. 12And I DO NOT PERMIT A WOMAN to TEACH OR TO HAVE AUTHORITY OVER A MAN, but TO BE IN SILENCE. 13For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. 15Nevertheless SHE WILL BE SAVED IN CHILDBEARING if they continue in FAITH, LOVE, AND HOLINESS, WITH SELF-CONTROL. …” (1 Timothy 2:9 – 15, NKJV)
Comment: If God does not permit a woman to be a pastor to her “own husband”, that same God cannot allow a women to be a pastor to “another man’s husband either, can you see it?”
You are “not” under a “spiritual leadership” which pleases God but under an oppression when this happens (i.e. with “women spiritual leaders”):
“… As FOR MY PEOPLE, children are their oppressors, And WOMEN RULE OVER THEM. O My people! Those WHO LEAD YOU CAUSE YOU TO ERR, And DESTROY THE WAY OF YOUR PATHS.” …” (Isaiah 3:12, NKJV)
Peace to you
[Text] Please read the explanation in full where the point is this:
Can you SEE it? Women can share the gospel (am not against that) and can give invites to come to a “MALE PREACHER” but she CANNOT teach with AUTHORITY DOCTRINE NOR DO PRIESTLY/PASTOR Duties.
Christ never made any women pastors nor priests nor sent any woman to preach the Gospel even when He Sent males, so why not follow Christ?
Also Christ Appointed Apostle St. Paul as the “Apostle to the Gentiles” meaning we must obey it because Apostle Paul already declared that these are “commands of the Lord” when “Written” (1 Corinthians 14:37) and only when it is “not” God’s Command, Apostle St. Paul says he is presenting an opinion etc. So either way, the conclusion of doctrine remains same and as a bonus all Church Fathers and Protestant Founders and even mainstream Christianity before the 20th century never had “women pastors” which proves that the Most Blessed Holy Spirit of God led them this way only. So for the claim that the Holy Spirit of God suddenly decided to change this part (unless it was say found in Protestant Founders and Church Fathers but not followed such as #Chiliasm) it DOES NOT MAKE SENSE, right? Following the path of “no” women pastors has “no” condemnation because Church Fathers and Protestant Founders are not in Hell. Peace to you
#WhatHeSaid #LordJesusChrist #WomenPastors #WomanattheWell #Theology .
Women Pastors in Church History only over Women and never in authority over men
#WomenPastors #ChurchHistory #ClementofAlexandria #EphiphaniusofSalamis #ChurchFathers #WomenDeacons #Context #Bible #Doctrine .
[Text] The more important question is: how do you know God approved Jennifer’s pastor? Just because of conversion numbers and good feelings is it? That’s exactly how say orthodox and and Roman Catholics also “feel” when they think they are right as well. Martin Luther (first Protestant) and neither John Calvin (Founder of the Reformed Churches) nor even John Wesley (Founder of the Methodist) churches would have approved Jennifer’s pastor as I pointed to their quotes in the #DoctrineBook . Also neither would any Church Father approve Jennifer’s women-pastor and all of them for 1900 years must be wrong for Jennifer’s Pastor to be ordained based on “God Spoke to her”? This ambiguity part is how she is ordained and if you take say a 100 women pastors and ask them to vote for say a president from 3 candidates among them, I’m pretty sure they would NOT all vote for the “same person” but “all claiming” God Spoke to them directly the candidate of their choice is to be chosen (so someone is wrong) and upon this type of “claims” is how “women pastors”
are formed and not on Bible Verses. So it’s too risky for me and I will stick with the ones GOD has CHOSEN such as Protestant Founders and Church Fathers with BIBLE VERSES all disapproving it. Peace to you
[Text] No need to mute anyone. A lot of posts in this group itself has different Christian perspectives. At least mine has Church History, Protestant Founders and Church Fathers. So it is equivalent to muting them all and listening to your women pastor and their supporters and that’s okay with you? It’s that “unfair”.
I already said earlier women can share the gospel but cannot take “authority in position” and you are confusing that two aspects (for example any man also can share the gospel but not all men are pastors or deacons or bishops – can you see it?). But you LIED that the 70 included women because CHURCH HISTORY SAYS it’s ALL MEN even in the BIBLE never mentions women s Luke 10:1 only uses masculine pronouns and agrees with even CHURCH HISTORY by NAME, example links:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventy_disciples
or https://orthodoxwiki.org/Seventy_Apostles
Peace to you
[Text] I am not stuck anywhere. You are just following “someone’s assumption” while I am following “Bible Verses”, actual Church History, Church Fathers and Protestant Founders. You are already judgmental when you approve women pastors against Scripture (judging Scripture to be false even) and then claiming we are judging you when we quote Scripture. See the contradiction?
God’s Church, God’s Rules. It’s like asking, how come none of the 12 Apostles are women? Wouldn’t it be fair if God Gave a chance for a women to be one of the 12 Apostles of the Lamb (Revelation 21:14)? Or arguing that a woman can do the apostle job better than a man and God should have given it? Can you REALLY SEE the type of argument which you are supporting? God did NOT chose any of the 12 Apostles as women itself shows His Gender based Command and not to forget the 144000 Firstfruits of Salvation (kind of like tithes of Salvation, the holiest lot) itself consists only of “unmarried, Jewish Virgin Men” (Revelation 14:4). –>(meaning is God unfair not to include “married” or is He a racist to “not” include Gentiles in it or unfair to “Gender” by not including “women”? Of course not. He knows who can do it best etc. by HIS WILL – His Foreknowledge and all this is New Testament and Final Salvation and Reward Context). Peace to you
Golden Rule: Is it about endorsing Women Pastors?
#LordJesusChrist #GoldenRule #Context #CharityDoctrine .
[Text] Is the Christianity I follow Biblical?
Church Fathers and Protestant Founders as we can be like that as the example of Martin Luther the Protestant also shows. In fact, in the almost Scripture (because many early Church considered 1 Clement to be Scripture but later councils did not on the sole reason Blessed St. Clement of Rome was not an apostle but a direct disciple of Blessed Apostle St. Peter), we find the following CHRISTIANITY PERFECTLY PROPHESIED which I FOLLOW:
[From Page 179 onward of the #DoctrineBook]
“… Who then among you is NOBLE-MINDED? who compassionate? who FULL OF LOVE? Let him declare, “IF ON MY ACCOUNT SEDITION and DISAGREEMENT AND SCHISMS HAVE ARISEN, I WILL DEPART, I WILL GO AWAY whithersoever you desire, and I WILL DO WHATEVER THE MAJORITY COMMANDS; only let the flock of Christ live on terms of peace with the presbyters set over it.” HE THAT ACTS THUS SHALL PROCURE TO HIMSELF GREAT GLORY IN THE LORD; and EVERY PLACE WILL WELCOME HIM. For “the earth is the Lord’s, and the fulness thereof.” These things they WHO LIVE A GODLY LIFE, that is NEVER TO BE REPENTED OF, BOTH HAVE DONE AND ALWAYS WILL DO. … ” – Blessed St. Clement of Rome, an Apostolic Father being a direct Disciple of the Blessed Apostle St. Peter (c.35 AD – c. 99 AD, 1 Clement Chapter 54)
Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1010.htm
Notice that the “PERSON who LEAVES CHURCH” is NOT said to NEED to CHANGE his ways (if he FOLLOWS say St. Irenaeous or other greats) as it is NEVER to be repented of and in fact is PROMISED “GREAT GLORY” in the LORD (whatever GREAT REWARD that means). Please notice that if the Roman Catholics wished to “change” this writing, I think they would have forced that person to agree with their church and must stay as they & other schisms (denominations) all preach likewise, right? So this is clear internal evidence that this quote must have been preserved as it is and it’s so mature and professional & notice also that GREAT REWARD can be GOTTEN WITHOUT BEING INVOLVED in CHURCH. Can you see it?
secular positions woman can hold such as “Judges” who were replaced by “kings” meaning woman can be CEO to anything else. A prophetess is not a priest and can prophesy, the Bible doesn’t prohibit that (but she must make sure her prophecy is from God). However a male prophet can double as a priest too. Yes, Priesthood YHWH only gave to the “Sons” of Levi and neither extended it to woman via Christ in the New Testament Who also only gave it to men beginning with the “apostles” (the highest position among the priesthood).
#FollowChrist #newtestamenttraditions #ApostlePaul #christian #christianity #protestant #Protestantism #ChurchFathers #church .
[Text] A prophetess does not rank above any New Testament Tradition command even and cannot teach against it meaning all those gender commands apply and here’s the Bible Verse for that (please notice the word “prophet” in it)
“… 16But if ANYONE SEEMS TO BE CONTENTIOUS, WE HAVE NO SUCH CUSTOM, NOR DO THE CHURCHES OF GOD … 32And the SPIRITS OF THE PROPHETS are SUBJECT TO THE PROPHETS. 33For GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF [I]CONFUSION but of PEACE, as in ALL THE CHURCHES OF THE SAINTS. 34Let [j]YOUR WOMEN KEEP SILENT IN THE CHURCHES, for they are NOT PERMITTED TO SPEAK; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. 35And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is SHAMEFUL FOR WOMEN TO SPEAK IN CHURCH. 36Or did the word of God come originally from you? Or was it you only that it reached? 37If ANYONE THINKS HIMSELF TO BE a PROPHET or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things WHICH I WRITE to you are the COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD. …” (1 Corinthians 11:16, 14:16, 32 – 37, NKJV)
A Logic regarding God’s Sovereignty: God only allows the leaders we deserve (that’s why Roman Catholics can be wrong for 2000 years even) and if we respect God to say St. Irenaeous of Lyons’ levels, we get that type of leader etc.
#FollowChrist #newtestamenttraditions #ApostlePaul #christian #christianity #protestant #Protestantism #ChurchFathers #church .
Example Chiliasm Prophet St. Melito of Sardis in First Christianity who followed after St. Ireneaous of Lyons and that’s why I said St. Irenaeous of Lyons can be a Prophet level too as Chiliasm is a Prophecy position via St. Jerome of the Vulgate and Tertullian’s testimony.
St. Jerome of the Vulgate writes in (De Viris Illustribus On Illustrious Men, Chapter 24 and 45 mentions St. Melito of Sardis), Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/2708.htm
or
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melito_of_Sardis
or
https://anastpaul.com/2019/04/01/saint-of-the-day-1-april-st-melito-died-c-180/
#Chiliasm #Ireneus #Melito #Prophet #ProphetinChristianity #Jerome #Vulgate .
Why CHILIASM Church Fathers can be the “Prophets” of New Testament?
“… After them, now the churches are strengthened by faith, having been given the comfort of interpreting the writings of the prophets; which interpreters he called prophets. For the Apostle says: And He also placed in the Church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers and the rest. And in another place he says: Two or three prophets speak, and let others evaluate, and he says: Every woman praying or prophesying without a veiled head defiles her head…”– Blessed St. Victorinus, Bishop of Pettau, the First and Oldest Christian Commentary on the Apocalypse of John or Book of Revelation, Martyr for Christ (c. 303 AD)Source [‘Commentary on the Apocalypse’, circa 3rd Century, Chapter 10, Page 12]:
#Chiliasm #Ireneus #ChurchFathers #ChiliasmChurchFathers #Victorinus #Tertullian #JustinMartyr #NoProphecyofScriptureisofAnyPrivateInterpretation #ProphetsinChristianity #ChristianProphet #Prophet .
If I am MAD for WRITING in BIG LETTERS, then would you say FAIRLY the SAME that Mr. DONALD TRUMP, ex-AMERICAN PRESIDENT is ALSO MAD because he USES the SAME WRITING STYLE (except for possibly coloured fonts “power reading”?) Here’s Proof from a news on 27 Sep 2023, link:
https://malaysia.news.yahoo.com/trump-freaks-judge-finds-him-025225996.html
#Psychology #BIGLETTERS #CAPITALLETTERS #Psychologist #Trump #DonalTrump #AmericanPresident #Billionaire #Rich #Poor #Mad #Gila #Symptoms #WritingStyle .
[Text] NO Division and “in everything” do unto others what you want them to do to you CONTEXT DISCUSSION
Oh that’s a common fallacy as you are quoting that Verse wrongly because other Verses such as 1 Corinthians 1:10 clearly states that let there be “no divisions among you” meaning to cause division is “sin” we have to accept all mainstream Churches regardless if we think they are right (for me it means, Catholic, Orthodox and conservative Protestants such as Martin Luther, John Wesley, John Calvin types and NOT cults like JW, Mormon etc.). Regarding Pentecostal churches, I do NOT need to participate say in their “speaking in tongues” and “God told me so claims” but on the things they are following Scripture such as say if they do “Charity Doctrine”, I am willing to join them too in that. So as long as we avail ourself while explaining our position where we disagree with them, that’s “no” division way and “love your neighbour as yourself” or “do unto others what you want others to do to you part” without CONTRADICTING New Testament Traditions NOR God’s Commands meaning we keep them. Some silly Christianity thinks in “everything” means even AGAINST say New Testament Traditions they are fulfilling do unto others which is WRONG because in analogy then THEY HAVE TO APPROVE EVEN A PEDOPHILE or a RAPIST or MURDERER since it’s in “everything” they say. Such silliness is obvious. By the way, the Verse you quoted that CHRIST brings a SWORD and NOT PEACE does NOT mean what you say in CHRISTIAN COLONISATION CONTEXT justified but this [From Page 243 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]:
“… 34“Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. ’35For I HAVE COME TO SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER’, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; 36and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’ 37He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 10:34 – 37, NKJV)
Comment: The only “sword” Christ came to Bring “against Peace” is NOT EARTHLY WARS of Killing each other (as some Christians err) but ONLY WITHIN FAMILY where YOU CAN BE AGAINST YOUR FATHER EVEN if he is AGAINST CHRIST’S WORDS (Commands). Peace to you
#LordJesusChrist #WhatHeSaid #Sword #NotPeace #EarthlyWars #FamilyDivision #Christian #NonChristian #Division #NoDivision #NewTestamentTraditions #Context #GodsCommands #Matthew712 #1Corinthians110 #DoUntoOtherswhatYouWantOtherstodotoYou .
The ERROR of not having CHARITY DOCTRINE but PRAYING and FASTING for 70 years!
Did you know?
[From Page 1170 & 1171 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]
“… ‘WHEN YOU FASTED AND MOURNED in the fifth and seventh months DURING THOSE SEVENTY YEARS, DID YOU REALLY FAST FOR ME—FOR ME? …” (Zechariah 7:5, NKJV)
Please notice carefully that God Only Asked about this AFTER SEVENTY YEARS they have practicing such “religious observation faithfully” and NEVER CORRECTED THEM EARLIER ALLOWING THEM TO BE IN ERROR FOR SUCH A LONG TIME.
The CHARITY DOCTRINE CORRECTION aspect so that THEIR FASTING AND PRAYERS are ACCEPTED is SEEN WHEN THESE VERSES are quoted in “full” as follows:
“… 4Then THE WORD OF THE LORD of hosts came to me, saying, 5“Say to ALL THE PEOPLE OF THE LAND, and TO THE PRIESTS: ‘WHEN YOU FASTED AND MOURNED in the fifth and seventh months DURING THOSE SEVENTY YEARS, DID YOU REALLY FAST FOR ME—FOR ME? 6When YOU EAT AND WHEN YOU DRINK, DO YOU NOT EAT AND DRINK FOR YOURSELVES? 7Should you not have OBEYED THE WORDS WHICH THE LORD proclaimed through the FORMER PROPHETS when Jerusalem and the cities around it were inhabited and prosperous, and the [f]South and the Lowland were inhabited?’ ”
8Then THE WORD OF THE LORD CAME TO ZECHARIAH, saying, 9“Thus says the Lord of hosts: ‘EXECUTE TRUE JUSTICE, Show [g]MERCY AND COMPASSION Everyone to his brother. 10Do not OPPRESS THE WIDOW OR THE FATHERLESS, The ALIEN OR THE POOR.
Let none of you plan evil in his heart Against his brother.’ 11“But they refused to heed, shrugged[h] their shoulders, and stopped[i] their ears so that they could not hear. 12Yes, they made their hearts like flint, REFUSING TO HEAR THE LAW and THE WORDS WHICH THE LORD OF HOSTS had sent by HIS SPIRIT THROUGH THE FORMER PROPHETS. Thus GREAT WRATH came from the Lord of hosts. …” (Zechariah 7:4 – 12, NKJV)
Comment: OPRESSING the POOR or WIDOW or FATHERLESS is “not” just when one does direct harm but also WHEN ONE DOES NOT GIVE GOD’s MONEY or CHURCH MONEY to them as CHRIST HAS WARNED LIKEWISE in Luke 11:39 – 42 as I have discussed at the end of this Book in detail too. Peace to you
#LordJesusChrist #WhatHeSaid #Love #Sins #JudgmentofSins #LoveCoversAllSins #CharityDoctrine #Fast #Pray #Doctrine #Forgiven #Healing #NewTestament #NewTestamentTraditions #Context #GodsCommands #Luke747 #Proverbs1012 #Isaiah58 #1Peter48 #Zechariah747 #DoUntoOtherswhatYouWantOtherstodotoYou .
Secret of “Healing” via “Prayer and Fasting” according to God includes primarily the “Charity Doctrine”
[From Page 1168 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]
“… ‘Why have WE FASTED,’ they say, ‘and YOU HAVE NOT SEEN? Why have WE AFFLICTED OUR SOULS, and YOU TAKE NO NOTICE?’ …” (Isaiah 58:3, NKJV)
Part of the Answer (God’s Reply):
“… 7Is it not to SHARE YOUR BREAD with the HUNGRY, And that you bring to your house THE POOR who are cast out; When you see THE NAKED, that you cover him, And not hide yourself from YOUR OWN FLESH? 8Then YOUR LIGHT shall break forth like the MORNING,
YOUR HEALING shall spring forth speedily, .’ …” (Isaiah 58:7 – 8, NKJV)
[From Page 2443 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]
Blessed are the Churches and Christians who live the #CharityDoctrineLifestyle . Even your sins are covered from Judgment if you love like this (again, CHRIST HIMSELF TAUGHT THIS DIRECTLY as follows)
“… And above all things have fervent love for one another, for “LOVE will COVER a MULTITUDE OF SINS.” …”(1 Peter 4:8, NKJV)
“… Therefore I say to you, HER SINS, which are MANY, ARE FORGIVEN, for SHE LOVED MUCH. But to whom little is forgiven, the same loves little. …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 7:47, NKJV)
“… But LOVE COVERS ALL SINS. …” (Proverbs 10:12, NKJV)
In light of Christ’s Quotes we understand that the “Charity Doctrine” removes the “Judgment of Sins“* but it cannot give new life nor give Resurrection.
Only the Blood of Christ Can Remove Sin itself and bring us to the Resurrection Life beginning within us on earth itself. So only Christ’s Atonement and Work Gives us Life.
#LordJesusChrist #WhatHeSaid #Love #Sins #JudgmentofSins #LoveCoversAllSins #CharityDoctrine #Fast #Pray #Doctrine #Forgiven #Healing #NewTestament #NewTestamentTraditions #Context #GodsCommands #Luke747 #Proverbs1012 #Isaiah58 #1Peter48 #DoUntoOtherswhatYouWantOtherstodotoYou .
[Text] Christ Said Hard Rich Man to Enter Heaven and that’s the Context here as well to be “poor in spirit” to “Enter Kingdom of Heaven”. The Answer lies in Christ in Matthew 19:16 – 30 (entire conversation) where to “Follow Him” (the “Real Belief in Him”) Christ Included the “Charity Doctrine” of “Sell all you have and give to the poor” to be “perfect” level to enter heaven “treasure in heaven” (even in Luke 12:46 – 48) meaning we fall short of it by “Relative Measure” and get either “thirtyfold, sixtyfold and hundredfold” levels since the word “hundredfold” indicating inheritance reward level is mentioned in Matthew 19:29 which is a different word from “Eternal Life” which is free as Saved by Grace means. This can also mean some or “nations who are saved” in the Final New Earth but not entering heaven as Revelation 21:24 describes as different from the “Bride” which is described descending from “Heaven” in Revelation 21:9. Please remember that “not saved by works” is “true” and “works of law includes Holiness Doctrine” but then without Holiness no one will see the Lord or will be saved meaning same way Charity Doctrine is likewise a fruit by relative measure as Christ Taught in both Rich Man and Lazarus Story (Luke 16:19 – 31) and if you don’t believe that literally it’s still true in Christ’s Own Words in “the only Judgment Day” details description in Matthew 25:31 – 46 where Christ never asked if they attended Church or any other religious activity except detailing out Charity Doctrine of what one did when I was hungry, thirsty, naked, homeless and in prison meaning only the suffering ones are exempted as Luke 14 also mentions it in this context that the “lame, maimed (mentally or physically), blind etc.” no need to do it by “relative measure”.
www.AnonymousChristian.org
[Text] Why does Lord Jesus Christ want CHARITY DOCTRINE on Judgment Day
(Matthew 25:31 – 46’s “When I was hungry, thirsty, naked, homeless etc.” with NO other religious act mentioned at all – Why? A Possible Explanation)
1) Zechariah 7:4 – 7 Reveals clearly that God allowed even Israel and its priests of the past to “Pray and Fast” wrongly for 70 years (long time) “without charity doctrine” (Zechariah 7:9 – 10) even toward the “alien” (foreigners, not citizen of the land even) and the “poor” and not just toward “widows and orphans”. In Zechariah 7:5 – 6 God explicitly Asks whether we are “praying and fasting for Him, REALLY? because He Gives the analogy of eating and drinking for ourselves” meaning the #ProsperityGospel type of “claiming Prayers for Requests of #Health and #Wealth enjoyment” is not prayer.
2) We know this because “Prayer & Fasting is to build relationship with God” and God (not me) Reveals in Zechariah 7:5 – 6 that “prayer requests for drinking and eating” enjoyments in analogy of “prayer request generally” is NOT “prayer to Him” because they are asking for “themselves to enjoy” and in Zechariah 7:9 – 10 GOD COMMANDS them to do CHARITY DOCTRINE to ORPHANS, WIDOW, FOREIGNER (Non-Citizen even) and the POOR to imply this SAME MEANING that FASTING & PRAYER is ONLY DONE to GOD if #CHARITYDOCTRINE is DONE to OTHERS in Relative Measure NOT with Church Money or Donation money only but with OWN MONEY included which CHRIST Himself Revealed as “ALMS (Charity) from WHAT YOU HAVE (Money, Skills, Possessions)” to be CLEANSED (Sanctification) in Luke 11:41 – 42 which even TITHES CANNOT fulfil and not using Charity to become rich personally as some receive love offerings like that unless at the end of life they GIVE it BACK to CHARITY as HOARDING for SELF is DISALLOWED meaning HOARDING to GIVE to CHARITY at END of LIFE CAN (in Luke 12:21) with Luke 12:33 – 35 same context to DO CHARITY to KEEP LAMPS LIT (only link phrase to Parable of 5 Wise vs 5 Foolish Virgins of Matthew 25:1 – 13 to become HIS BRIDE, BIG MYSTERY!). All CHRIST’s WORDS ONLY quoted.
Please notice that the OIL the FOOLISH VIRGINS required to ENTER HEAVEN to become HIS BRIDE CAN be SHARED but the WISE SAID they WOULD NOT for REASON then THEY WOULD NOT have ENOUGH and “the HOLY SPIRIT CANNOT be shared” (though He is there in Burning Lamps) as Church Fathers & Protestant Founders taught this same meaning as OIL to refer to CHARITY DOCTRINE as the COMMON MEANING INCLUDED among them which I believe GOD made them NOT to err in this important part with all quotes and major sources there (no empty claims) as Prophecy is NOT of Private Interpretation (2 Peter 1:20). Peace to you
[Text] How many Charitable Organisations are doing their “Work” according to what I believe God’s Will for this is?
Yes indeed, by giving say personal money to so any Charity, it’s then the duty of the charitable organization to do both, namely to create real job opportunities or enhance skills or education for the relevant people group it helps and also need to give handouts for daily needs for scenarios we cannot do much due to physical and mental issues which is usually evidenced by addiction.
Charitable organizations which do not strategize along these paths do not solve the root problems and are just pretending to do charity (cheating the people who support it by just taking salary and name/positions) as they do not use “quality” people who can do both (discriminating those like that because they fear their own flaws and incompetency would be clear in the persons they have hired and to keep their jobs) and thus they just keep to the “old useless way” which hasn’t made any much say educational difference levels nor much income generating skill levels in the so called target groups they have been helping for decades (no KPI measurements in place to make them move seriously about it even in “highly” paid charity jobs too – if they say otherwise, please ask any such organization to give a list of “the educational and/or income generating skill” as evidenced in the lives of the people they have claimed to have helped.
Blessed are those who have contributed genuinely. Only those “maimed” (physically or mentally unable to work) may still be helped but not measured for ability because they are “unable”, logical, right?).
Example: You take a high achieving teacher (say with Olympiad achievements in a subject) and give him the “lowest grade students” while another teacher for same subject with “no” Olympiad achievements but give “highest grade students” to her and then do KPI and say she has to be promoted because her students did best, does it sound fair?
Also such people “rob” the “high grade students” of possible learning of Olympiad level for that subject but they don’t care because they cannot do it and it’s not their children and so they ignore it but when it’s politics time to vote, they “scream merit”?
[From Page 112 onward of the #MyCV2Oct2023]
“… but those who have received liberty set aside ALL THEIR POSSESSIONS for the LORD’s PURPOSES, bestowing joyfully and FREELY NOT THE LESS VALUABLE PORTIONS of THEIR PROPERTY, since they have the hope of better things [hereafter]; as that POOR WIDOW acted who cast all her living into the treasury of God [Luke 21:1 – 3]. … “ – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, Against Heresies (Book 4(IV), Point 6-partial)
Roman Catholic Sources:
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103416.htm
Peace to you
[Text] God needs nothing. The money given to others is proof of love and you do what you can. NO Love, NO God. Simple as that. Love without giving does “not” exist, as that’s like I eat a nice burger in front of you while you are homeless and starve. If you agree, may it happen to you and then you will understand “Why” God Commanded the #CharityDoctrine which is to #Love others in action. Sorry to be harsh but hopefully those who hate “Charity Doctrine” end up in “terrible sickness or mishap in life till they cannot even eat and let them starve to death too if possible” because that’s exactly what it means when we oppose it. God Will NOT intervene directly (Generally) from Heaven to solve it and has given mankind the time to do it now but He Will Judge on Judgment Day based on “Charity Doctrine” as Christ Taught in Matthew 25:31 – 46. Peace to you
#CharityDoctrine #LazarusandRichMan #Hell #Luke16 #Matthew25 #JudgmentDay #Why #Love #Agape #TrueLove .
Source: https://biblehub.com/hebrew/7329.htm
[Text] It’s a simple set of Verses often twisted by Prosperity Gospel but we cannot limit the Verses but read it fully to understand fully, here it is:
1) I can do all things in Christ Context is NOT screaming or claiming Prosperity but accepting “prosperity or financial trouble” which can happen either way as “Contentment”
“… 11Not that I speak in regard to need, for I have learned in whatever state I am, to be content: 12I know how to [d]be abased, and I know how to [e]abound. Everywhere and in all things I have learned both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need. 13I can do all things through [f]Christ who strengthens me. …” (Philippians 4:11 – 13, NKJV)
2) It does NOT talk about giving to “pastors only” but anyone in “need” (notice the word “need” and NOT prosperity)
“…no church shared with me concerning giving and receiving but you only. 16For even in Thessalonica you sent aid once and again for my NECESSITIES. 17Not that I seek the gift, but I seek the fruit that abounds to your account. … 19And my God shall supply all your NEED according to His riches in glory by Christ Jesus. …” (Philippians 4:16, 17, 19, NKJV)This proves CHARITY DOCTRINE”… 25Yet I considered it necessary to send to you EPAPHRODITUS, MY BROTHER, FELLOW WORKER, and FELLOW SOLDIER, but your messenger and THE ONE WHO MINISTERED TO MY NEED; 26since he was longing for you all, and was distressed because you had heard that he was sick. 27For INDEED HE WAS SICK ALMOST UNTO DEATH; but God had mercy on him, and not only on him but on me also, lest I should have sorrow upon sorrow. 28Therefore I sent him the more eagerly, that when you see him again you may rejoice, and I may be less sorrowful. 29Receive him therefore in the Lord with all gladness, and HOLD SUCH MEN IN ESTEEM; 30because FOR THE WORK OF CHRIST HE CAME CLOSE TO DEATH, [h]not regarding his life, to SUPPLY WHAT WAS LACKING IN YOUR SERVICE TOWARD ME. …” (Philippians 2:25 – 30, NKJV)
3) We know that these GIVINGS were NOT just for pastors but for ANYONE in CHURCH with NEED, example Verses (though Apostle St. Paul collected it and distributed it), Verses by him:
i) Notice the phrase “MINISTERING to the SAINTS” (giving was distributed to anyone in need at church and NOT pastors only)
“… 1Moreover, brethren, we make known to you the grace of God bestowed on the churches of Macedonia: 2that in a great trial of affliction the abundance of their joy and THEIR DEEP POVERTY ABOUNDED IN THE RICHES OF THEIR LIBERALITY. 3For I bear witness that ACCORDING TO THEIR ABILITY, YES, AND BEYOND THEIR ABILITY, they were freely willing, 4imploring us with much urgency [a]that we would RECEIVE THE GIFT and the fellowship of the MINISTERING TO THE SAINTS. 5And not only as we had hoped, but they first gave themselves to the Lord, and then to us by the will of God. 6So we urged Titus, that as he had begun, so he would also complete this grace in you as well. 7But as YOU ABOUND IN EVERYTHING—in FAITH, IN SPEECH, IN KNOWLEDGE, in all diligence, and in YOUR LOVE FOR US—SEE THAT YOU ABOUND IN THIS GRACE ALSO. …” – Blessed St. Paul the Great Apostle of Christ (2 Corinthians 8:1 – 7, NKJV)
ii) Notice the phrase “COLLECTION for the SAINTS (which means anyone at Church) and NOT pastors only for Sunday collection or love offerings even)
“… 1Now concerning the COLLECTION FOR THE SAINTS, as I have given orders to the churches of Galatia, so you must do also: 2On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come. 3And when I come, whomever you approve by your letters I WILL SEND TO BEAR YOUR GIFT to Jerusalem. …” – Blessed St. Paul the Great Apostle of Christ (1 Corinthians 16:1 – 3, NKJV)
iii) The focus of NEED and NOT prosperity is even clear for the SAINTS at JERUSALEM with the “POOR” saints mentioned to receive it (please also notice that the SAINTS in JERUSALEM mostly JEWISH themselves could NOT claim any Abrahamic “Prosperity Gospel” claims and make themselves RICH and NEEDED HELP being POOR too despite all the FAITH – Can you see it?)
“… 25But now I am going to Jerusalem to [i]MINISTER TO THE SAINTS. 26For it pleased those from Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain CONTRIBUTION FOR THE POOR AMONG THE SAINTS who are in Jerusalem. 27It pleased them indeed, and they are their debtors. For if the Gentiles have been partakers of their spiritual things, THEIR DUTY is also to MINISTER TO THEM IN MATERIAL THINGS. ..” – Blessed St. Paul the Great Apostle of Christ (Romans 15:25 – 27, NKJV)
These are sample pages from say [From Page 621 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook] and others, more details there
Peace to you
#ProsperityGospel is #False #Contentment #Doctrine #ChurchMoney for #ChurchMembers NOT #Pastors ONLY #GodsWill #Finance #CharityDoctrine .
MyCV9OCT2023 for Theology not CV – sorry From Page 382 onward of #MyCV9Oct2023 below (with Free PDF Link*);
#Loveyourenemies not #Killyourenemies if not both go to #Hell together #CharityDoctrine #TrueLove is to #LoveOthers including #Enemies #WhatWouldJesusDo #WhatHeSaid #BibleVerses not #Opinions of #men as #Nothing #Great in #Loving those who #LoveYou like #Family, #Friends, #SameRace, #SameReligion, #SameLanguage etc.
*I don’t want to write a new book and theology is more important than CV on any day and so I edited this to put it there.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MWc6qWhwdhhuiCDnBxPqN-hA_QRkCn2W/view?usp=sharing
Highlight: Please view the theological explanations from the last chapter listed on the Page on contents in image to understand “Why” I link my Christian Beliefs to my Work methods and how it links to both the Protestant Founders and Earliest Church Fathers in some way.
TQ
MyCV9OCT2023 for Theology not CV – sorry From Page 422 onward of #MyCV9Oct2023 below (with Free PDF Link at start);
#Rapture #Bible #Verses #Context #1Thessalonians417 #1Corinthians1552 with #Blessed #Virgin #Martyr for #Christ #Saint #Methodius of #Olympus a #CHILIASM #ChurchFather #FirstChristianity as #NOProphecyofScriptureisofAnyPrivateInterpretation #2Peter120, right? #Possible so let #God #Decide but we speak #Honesty with #Evidence .
CHILIASM Context for 1Thessalonians 4:17’s RAPTURE and 1 Corinthians 15:52’s “CHANGE” in the “TWINKLING of an EYE”
[Text] Example Proof Quote that Blessed St. Ireneaous of Lyons himself may NOT have believed in pre-tribulation rapture NOR of mid-tribulation rapture but ONLY POST TRIBULATION RAPTURE
[link from Page 384 onward of #MyCV9Oct2023 to Page 606 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
Comment: Please also notice these words from Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons where he does NOT see any Pre-Trib NOR mid-trib rapture but that the SAINTS (not left-behind less-worthy believers) will be put to flight during this LAST 3.5 years of that FINAL Great Tribulation or in the “MIDST of THE WEEK” (Can you “see” it?):
“… he shall also ruin many by deceit, and lead many to perdition, bruising them in his hand like eggs.” And then he points out the time that his tyranny shall last, during which the saints shall be put to flight, they who offer a pure sacrifice unto God: “And in the MIDST of THE WEEK,” he says, “the sacrifice and the libation shall be taken away, and the abomination of desolation [shall be brought] into the temple: even unto the consummation of the time shall the desolation be complete.” Now three years and six months constitute the half-week …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, ‘Against Heresies’, (Book 5(V), Chapter 25), Points 4 – highlighted) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103525.htm
Compare with Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons own words below that only a POST TRIBULATION RAPTURE occurs when LORD JESUS CHRIST SUDDENLY RETURNS PUBLICLY to END these MADNESS [please see from Page 106 onward of the #ChiliasmBook].
#Ireneus #Rapture #Antichrist #Chiliasm #Prophecy #FatherofCatholicTheology #First #DoctoroftheChurch #AgainstHeresies #FinalGreatTribulation . TQ
A thought worth Eternity to Ponder: BREAKING the 3rd Commandment of NOT taking God’s Name in Vain (Exodus 20:7 which includes every FALSE “God told me so claims if GOD NEVER told it”) is BREAKING a 10 COMMANDMENT “HIGHER” than “MURDER (6th) or ADULTERY (7th)” – can you SEE it?); Notice also that NO CHARITY DOCTRINE breaks Greatest 1st Commandment to LOVE GOD because NO ONE can LOVE GOD without LOVING OTHERS with CHARITY DOCTRINE (as 1 John 3:16 – 18 DEFINES it as “It is Written”).
#TenCommandments #10Commandments #GodToldmeSo #Risk #CharityDoctrine as fulfillment of #GreatestCommandment #1stCommandment to #LoveGod via #Loveothers #GodsWord in #1John3 #Bible #Verse #AsitisWritten .
Even the Oldest known Patristic Commentary of the Book of Revelation believed in CHILIASM and POST TRIBULATION RAPTURE only, within this same quote below both of these doctrine can be seen by Blessed St. Victorinus showing (in image) ai) This part is “rapture” aii) This part is “change” from “human to angelic type” at the “end” of 1000 years Millennial Reign of Christ during the “Last Trumpet” [Notice that St. Victorinus does NOT connect the “last trumpet” phrase to link it to “rapture” as many Christians do today]
#Victorinus #Chiliasm #ChurchFathers #FirstChristianity #BibleCommentary #Patristic #BookofRevelation #NoProphecyofScriptureisofAnyPrivateInterpretation #Rapture #Doctrine #1Thessalonians417 #PreTrib #MidTrib or #PostTrib further #Mystery of #Change from #Human to #Angelic at #End of #1000Years #MillennialReign of #Christ #1Corinthians1552 in a #TwinklingofanEye .
You will know a person’s true character when faced with someone who believes differently where the good character does NOT discriminate etc.
The BIBLICAL LOGIC here is simple: Example in Christian Difference:
If “Pre-Tribulation rapture & not full Chiliasm is right”, you are going to SHINE brighter but if “Post-Tribulation rapture and Full Chiliasm is right” then those believing that are going to SHINE brighter in their Final Resurrection bodies on Judgment Day. So it’s true for any other doctrinal point as Daniel 12:3 Prophesies that “SHINE like HEAVENS is greater than CONVERTING MANY if NOT so accurate which SHINE like STARS only in comparison in RESURRECTION BODY CONTEXT” as GOD is FAIR and REWARDS this based on ACCURACY.
Example Quote: [From Page 6 & 9 onward of the #DoctrineBook]
1) Martin Luther (First Protestant)
“… commenting on Daniel 12 :3, “Teachers will shine like the glow of the heavens, and they who point to righteousness, like the stars, forever and eternally. … [Luther’s translation]; Luther said that preachers and teachers send forth light into the world as they convert many in the days leading up to the end of the world 4…” – Blessed Martin Luther, The First Champion of the Protestant Faith (1541, commenting on Daniel 12:3)
5) Blessed St. Jerome of the Vulgate
“… MANY PEOPLE OFTEN ASK whether a LEARNED SAINT AND AN ORDINARY SAINT shall both enjoy the SAME REWARD AND ONE AND THE SAME DWELLING-PLACE IN HEAVEN. Well then, the statement is made here, according to Theodotion’s rendering, that THE LEARNED WILL RESEMBLE THE VERY HEAVENS, whereas THE RIGHTEOUS WHO ARE WITHOUT LEARNING are ONLY COMPARED TO THE BRIGHTNESS OF THE STARS. And so the difference between LEARNED GODLINESS and MERE GODLY RUSTICITY SHALL BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HEAVEN AND THE STARS. …” – Blessed St. Jerome of the Vulgate, the Second Great Latin Doctor of the Church who did the First Official Translation of the Bible out of Its Original Languages into Latin, Priest, Confessor, Secretary to Pope Damasus I, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church (c. 347 AD – c. 420 AD, Commentary of Daniel 12:3)
Roman Catholic Source: https://www.tertullian.org/fathers/jerome_daniel_02_text.htm
Peace to you
Where do I stand as a “Christian” in regards to “Israel and Zionism”?
#War based #Zionism #Israel is #False no breaking of #Torah #Temple build first by #Antichrist in #deception of both #Christians and #Jews #Chiliasm #ChurchFathers #earliest #interpretation by #Ireneus #hippolytus reveals where #Real #Fulfillment after #SecondComingodChrist #LordJesusChrist taught #Loveyourenemies not #killyourenemies .
Am I a False Prophet if I teach POST TRIBULATION RAPTURE? Then everyone on this list (and more in Church History) is also a FALSE PROPHET for FALSE PROPHECY part on this. Who? List of CHILIASM Church Fathers & Protestant Founders on Rapture
#FalseProphet vs #HumanError only if no #Claims of #GodToldmeSo #Wrongly because #MostBlessed #HolySpirit of #God has #ZERO #Prophecy #Errors and those with #ProphecyError #Cannot be #Prophets of the #NewTestament #Please #DoNotbeDeceived as since #NoProphecyofScriptureisofAnyPrivateInterpretation #Rapture #Doctrine #1Thessalonians417 #PreTrib #MidTrib or #PostTrib #Example here seems to show that #PostTribulationRapture may be #TRUE as #ALL #AGREED .
Link for Christian Discoverers Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100094783954906
Example post below:
[Note I will quote Protestants to Catholics to Orthodox and not cults like mormons, JW etc. as “Christians” letting God Judge who is and not when He Returns]
Field of Study: Physics
Significant titles: Nobel Prize in Physics (1932)
Example Secular Quote (from same Wikipedia link earlier):
“… Werner Karl Heisenberg ⓘ; 5 December 1901 – 1 February 1976)[2] … Heisenberg was awarded the 1932 Nobel Prize in Physics “for the creation of quantum mechanics“.[3][a]. …”
Example Religious Quote: notice that “Heisenberg believed in reading CHURCH FATHERS and HATED the NAZI WAR ACTS and WROTE to FAMILY & FRIENDS (like posting on Facebook today)”, to quote: “… The best evidence suggests that Heisenberg’s spiritual views were a mixture of Platonism and Christianity, and here he was in good company: the company, in fact, of the early Orthodox and Catholic “church fathers” who shaped Christianity. Augustine, for example,. … He [Heisenberg] expressed horror at the regime on many occasions in the years before WW2 in letters to colleagues and family. … He [Heisenberg] refused to sign an “acknowledgement by professors to Adolf Hitler” the same year. …” Peace to you
Source: https://enlightenedcrowd.org/werner-heisenberg-science-mysticism-christianity/
TQ
Last few months of year 2023 has been interesting for my Math Olympiad students, Examples in Image.
#ThankYouNote to #God and #Appreciate #Parents and #Students
#MathOlympiad #MathOlympiadSecondary #MathOlympiadHighSchool
#MathOlympiad #MathOlympiadElementarySchool #MathOlympiadPrimary
#coachjonathanramachandran #jonathanramachandran #Math #MyCV15OCT2023 #Jon .
Hi Bro, I view it as follows:
The answer to all three questions above is the same reason as to why I think God made “Faith” (i.e. believing without seeing in Christian definition, Hebrews 11:1) is basically to reward heaven. A logic can be seen as follows: because the ones with faith believed without seeing so they get the reward of heaven which we cannot see.
Next, under the assumption that non-Elect salvation possibility is true (as per writings of church fathers with and without the chiliasm timeline), then this “believing after seeing” non-elect salvation amounts to at most a reward of being saved on the final new earth. This is logical in a way because we have seen the current earth and so it gives a mirror of receiving only the “seen” thing (earth namely) and cannot inherit heaven because they did not believe in the heaven which they could “not” see whilst living on earth earlier. As to whether some can visit heaven through the gates of that final lowest heavenly city which connects to the final new earth (as Revelation 21 describes), those could be the best among non-elect salvation ones or mixed with fallen Christian ones who did not complete their course of faith perfectly.
As you can see, it does not contradict the Christian view of “believing in Christ” is necessary for Salvation and is a Free Gift but at the same time “heaven vs earth” which implies “heavenly vs earthly final resurrection body glories” difference mentioned in Scripture seems to match this chiliasm timeline position well as the “reward” part which is based on “one’s own fruit of actions” (and God does NOT dictate it implying that “Free Will” is existent within this and so it’s NOT a robotic creation or loyalty meaning loyalty to God is “REAL” but rewarded according to the varying degrees of His Commands Obeyed).
Thank you for your query.
How is God Fair? Relative Measure in Free Will and God’s Will
In Bible Verses in image, God Wills that all of Jerusalem should listen to “His Prophets” but yet He does NOT force it and allows “Free Will”, a Verse Directly by Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ Himself! End of God’s Will vs Free Will Argument.
This means He is the Authour of Faith but there’s an element of Free Will which affects Gradation/Reward even be it saved into the Heavens vs only saved on the Final New Earth as discussed earlier as possible even to refer to “faith type of believing without seeing” (Hebrews 11:1, Elect Salvation) vs. “not-faith type but believing after seeing, John 6:35 – 40, non-elect salvation possibility” if Church Father Quotes regarding it from Chiliasm or non-Chiliasm too is true (not doctrine as no one can be sure 100% now if they are honest).
Why would God Hide His Existence until we die?
Because the AIM of FAITH is ELECT SALVATION and REWARD
Please notice the word “REWARD” carefully in Bible Verse below defining this SAME MEANING as to WHY GOD MADE FAITH and that REWARD refers to ELECT SALVATION HEAVENLY INHERITANCE as “the better resurrection” when both Verses below combined clearly means “as it is Written”. Peace to you
Beautiful #Chiliasm #Prophecies regarding #nowar in the 1000 years #Millennial #Reign of #Christ after the #SecondComingofChrist . Both #PROPHETS #Isaiah and #Micah Prophesied similarly these aspects. Only the #RealMessiah Most Blessed #LordJesusChrist can make #all remaining #nations on the #earth at that time to #repent #beautifully like this as #He #Settles their disputes while the #FakeMessiah the #Beast or #Antichrist will #kill and #War to achieve his goals and #pretend to do it for #Israel even #deceiving them as well. Peace to you.
CHARITY DOCTRINE and its link to Elect Salvation as the Church
– CHRIST explained it in a PARABLE, St. Ireneaous of Lyons Reveals
Part 1 – Charity Doctrine needed because “no” business money nor inherited property or money from parents even in the world is clean unless you were paid lesser or is the “used” one beyond pay value meaning even in work celebrated as “hardworking etc.”, these are greatest “constant daily sin” [I have partially quoted details from this chapter in Pages 161-162
onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
“… For from what source do we derive the houses in which we dwell, the garments in which we are clothed, the vessels which we use, and everything else ministering to our every-day life, unless it be from those things which, when we were Gentiles, we acquired by avarice, or received them from our heathen parents, relations, or friends who unrighteously obtained them?— not to mention that even now we acquire such things when we are in the faith. For who is there that sells, and does not wish to make a profit from him who buys? Or who purchases anything, and does not wish to obtain good value from the seller? Or who is there that carries on a trade, and does not do so that he may obtain a livelihood thereby? And as to those believing ones who are in the royal palace, do they not derive the utensils they employ from the property which belongs to Cæsar; and to those who have not, does not each one of these [Christians] give according to his ability? … while, in fact, by receiving only a very insignificant recompense for their heavy servitude, they went away poor? It is just as if any free man, being forcibly carried away by another, and serving him for many years, and increasing his substance, should be thought, when he ultimately obtains some support, to possess some small portion of his [master’s] property, but should in reality depart, having obtained only a little as the result of his own great labours, and out of vast possessions which have been acquired, and this should be made by any one a subject of accusation against him, as if he had not acted properly. He (the accuser) will rather appear as an unjust judge against him who had been forcibly carried away into slavery. Of this kind, then, are these men also, who charge the people with blame, because they appropriated a few things out of many, but who bring no charge against those who did not render them the recompense due to their fathers’ services; nay, but even reducing them to the most irksome slavery, obtained the highest profit from them. ” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, Against Heresies (Book IV, Chapter 30, Points 1, 2 selected)) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103430.htm
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#Charity #CharityDoctrine #Alms #Sanctification #JudgmentofSins #Context #GodsWill for #Finance #WorstSin is #Money related as #CHRIST Taught and #Ireneus #ChurchFathers #revealed .
CHARITY DOCTRINE and its link to Elect Salvation as the Church
– CHRIST explained it in a PARABLE, St. Ireneaous of Lyons Reveals
Part 2 – Living like “MONK” type of CHRISTIANITY and then thinking they are “holier” does NOT work if the “monks” are receiving “food + sustenance” out of “money donated/given from working people” – implying monk type of Christianity is good only if MONKS WORK and LIVE out CHARITY DOCTRINE too (implied intrinsically in his quote next)
[I have partially quoted details from this chapter in Pages 161-162 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
St. Ireneaous of Lyons (not me) quotes Matthew 7:1 – 5 in quote next for this CONTEXT that THOSE WITHOUT CHARITY DOCTRINE are in GREATER SIN even if LIVING HOLY LIKE a MONK
“… Therefore, against men of this kind (namely, the heretics) the word of the Lord applies, which says: You hypocrite, first cast the beam out of your eye, and then shall you see clearly to pull out the mote out of your brother’s eye. Matthew 7:5 For if he who lays these things to your charge, and glories in his own wisdom, has been separated from the company of the Gentiles, and possesses nothing [derived from] other people’s goods, but is literally naked, and barefoot, and dwells homeless among the mountains, as any of those animals do which feed on grass, he will stand excused [in using such language], as being ignorant of the necessities of our mode of life. But if he do partake of what, in the opinion of men, is the property of others, and if [at the same time] he runs down their type, he proves himself most unjust, turning this kind of accusation against himself. For he will be found carrying about property not belonging to him, and coveting goods which are not his. And therefore has the Lord said: Judge not, that you be not judged: for with what judgment you shall judge, you shall be judged. Matthew 7:1-2 [The meaning is] not certainly that we should not find fault with sinners, nor that we should consent to those who act wickedly; but that we should not pronounce an unfair judgment on the dispensations of God, inasmuch as He has Himself made provision that all things shall turn out for good, in a way consistent with justice. For, because He knew that we would make a good use of our substance which we should possess by receiving it from another, He says, He that has two coats, let him impart to him that has none; and he that has meat, let him do likewise. Luke 3:11 And, For I was an hungered, and you gave Me meat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me drink; I was naked and you clothed Me. Matthew 25:35-36 And, When you do your alms, let not your left hand know what your right hand does. Matthew 6:3 And we are proved to be righteous by whatsoever else we do well, redeeming, as it were, our property from strange hands. …”– Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, Against Heresies (Book IV, Chapter 30, Point 3 selected)) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103430.htm
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CHARITY DOCTRINE and its link to Elect Salvation as the Church – CHRIST explained it in a PARABLE, St. Ireneaous of Lyons Reveals
Part 3 – There is NO such thing as a “CHURCH” (Elect Salvation) WITHOUT CHARITY DOCTRINE as this is PROPHESIED in SCRIPTURE even in ISRAEL’s EXODUS from EGYPT as a TYPE likewise and each CHRISTIAN does it by “RELATIVE MEASURE” of “his ABILITY”
[I have partially quoted details from this chapter in Pages 161-162 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
Again, St. Ireneaous of Lyons (not me) teaches this clearly while discussing this “same chapter” (so “same context”) Why Charity Doctrine as “Judgment of Sins” part
“… ; and to those who have not, does not each one of these [Christians] give according to his ability? … while, in fact, by receiving only a very insignificant recompense for their heavy servitude, they went away poor? … For, because He knew that we would make a good use of our substance which we should possess by receiving it from another, He says, He that has two coats, let him impart to him that has none; and he that has meat, let him do likewise. Luke 3:11 And, For I was an hungered, and you gave Me meat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me drink; I was naked and you clothed Me. Matthew 25:35-36 And, When you do your alms, let not your left hand know what your right hand does. Matthew 6:3 And we are proved to be righteous by whatsoever else we do well, redeeming, as it were, our property from strange hands. But thus do I say, from strange hands, not as if the world were not God’s possession, but that we have gifts of this sort, and receive them from others, in the same way as these men had them from the Egyptians who knew not God; and by means of these same do we erect in ourselves the tabernacle of God: for God dwells in those who act uprightly, as the Lord says: Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness, that they, when you shall be put to flight, may receive you into eternal tabernacles. Luke 16:9 For whatsoever we acquired from unrighteousness when we were heathen, we are proved righteous, when we have become believers, by applying it to the Lord’s advantage.
…” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, Against Heresies (Book IV, Chapter 30, Points 1 to 4 selected)) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103430.htm
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Here I am listing “Chiliasm Prophecy Bible Verses” whose interpretation and chronology I think that St. Ireneaous of Lyons and St. Justin of Rome (Justin Martyr) have preserved the most accurate interpretation as detailed out in these free pdf books in links below (and whether I am reading them right is open to debate, fair, right?)
i) New Book Titled Last Book – Possibilities and Dangers of Doctrine Free PDF download link:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wjDRr6lzDQ-4D60J8sqmDH-S60tCqQIR/view?usp=sharing
#LastBook or #PODBook or #PossibilitiesandDangersofDoctrineBook
ii) #chiliasmbook
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IzLcp1E-YoDtpAGY9qfnLeCL7ojc6-nj/view?usp=sharing
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Notice the “#Love of the #LORD” consistent with “#Justice” where “He Strikes #EGYPT due to the evil they did to others first” and then in the “#Chiliasm Timeline” (or 1000 years Millennial Reign of Christ after the “Second Coming of Christ”) HE HIMSELF #HEALS those WILLING to “#REPENT” (“turn to the LORD”, “believing AFTER SEEING cases” so #NONELECTSALVATION #POSSIBILITY as even the “#MARRIAGE of the #LAMB with #CHRISTIANS, #RESURRECTED and #POSTTRIBULATIONRAPTURE at that time would have BEGUN as per CHILIASM #Prophecy by #ChurchFathers as detailed out in books in comment in links”). Peace to you
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How are these quoted Bible Verses linked? Please notice the word “Highway” or “Way” or “Highway of Holiness” carefully in Isaiah 19:23, Isaiah 35:8 and Isaiah 11:16 and other Verses in those chapters are quoted to show further proof of CHILIASM PROPHECY TIMELINE.
The #Mysterious “#Highway of #Holiness” which leads to #Jerusalem AFTER the SECOND COMING of CHRIST in #CHILIASM Timeline for #POSSIBLE NON-ELECT SALVATION because the “#Marriage of the Lamb with His Bride or #ElectSalvation has happened at that time” and this is for remaining “#mortals/#sinners” on #earth.
Example Verses below which proves that this
happens during the 1000 years #Millennial Reign of #Christ for #EGYPT/#ASSYRIA
will NOT #repent in this timeline, the lame/blind etc. are not healed so freely
yet, #Ephraim etc. will not fight/envy #Israel anymore only in that time, #GOD
ONLY GATHERS HIS #OUTCASTS of ISRAEL, the #REMNANT MORTALS at THAT TIME (not
now, as #Antichrist will do a fake Version first before deceiving them to kill,
war etc. under that excuse as #ChurchFathers such as Saints #IreneusofLyons
& #HippolytusofRome quotes CHRIST’s Parable in Luke 18:1 – 8 to mean that
as shown in #LastBook and #ChiliasmBook – the “#Fake happens before the
#Real“).
More related details in FREE PDF Download
for both the #LastBook and #ChiliasmBook which can be found in #PINNED #POST on
my #Facebook wall or on #website
www.AnonymousChristian.org
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The “#Highway to #Holiness” literally is a “#road” which leads to #Jerusalem at that time “in that #DAY” (referring to #7thDay, True #Sabbath, #1000years #Millennial #ReignofChrist) in Isaiah 19:23, Isaiah 35:8 and Isaiah 11:16 . They will #learn about #God Directly in #Jerusalem during the Millennial Reign by literally going there as these #Bible #Verses describe “as it is Written” and done by Most #Blessed #Messiah #KING #LORD #JESUS #CHRIST.
Please notice that in each Verse here a “literal road/highway” is mentioned on “that DAY” (not now). Notice that “in that #DAY” is 2nd Coming of Christ onward as “His Feet” literally touches #Earth in Zechariah 14:4. Peace to you.
#Spiritually #Sick is not necessarily #Spiritually #Dead . #Accuracy of #Holy #Scripture is a #Majesty to #Ponder and may #God have #Mercy on our #Errors.
#Secrets from the #Parable of the #Good #Samaritan by Most Blessed #LORD #JESUS CHRIST – #Revisited
Example [in Pages 3, 9, 170 onward of the #ChiliasmBook for discussion & possibilities]
This is the# REAL #WWJD (What Would Jesus Do?) taught by HIS OWN WORDS #CONCLUSION: LORD JESUS CHRIST Taught that #LOVING #GOD and #LOVING #OTHERS is #CHARITY #DOCTRINE in the PARABLE of the GOOD SAMARITAN. Please notice carefully that the #CONTEXT in MATTHEW 13:11 – 13 below is #KNOWLEDGE/NOT THINGS (“Secret”). #CharityDoctrine by #CHRIST #MYSTERY #WHY.
#Gems from Holy #Scripture – Topic of “#LOVE” (What Traits of Love does Scripture #Praise?)
Self Examination: In this life, have we really lived a #LIFE of LOVE?
1) #CHARITY #DOCTRINE type of love your neighbour as yourself (beyond #family even if can)
This “Human Love” was called greatest by Blessed KING DAVID, the only MAN written in SCRIPTURE as AFTER GOD’s HEART & the Greatest and most honourable HUMAN KING #ISRAEL ever had (excluding #CHRIST) despite king DAVID’s adultery and murder which he repented eventually
Do you know why? The BIBLE Reveals that women wanted to marry king #David so that they can live in palaces (“easy life with wealth”) and that’s why Bathsheba herself went into the palace to commit adultery and never resisted despite being married while on the other hand, Blessed Jonathan (first prince of Israel) did NOT get jealous that KING DAVID (his best friend) was to be KING and “not” him as per GOD’s COMMAND and even helped David and shared everything he had with him as Scripture Records (Charity Doctrine #lifestyle beyond family & even for what is right even!).
2) Everything in the BIBLE is about CHRIST (the “types” or “#allegory” such as this LOVE between David & Jonathan itself earlier). Other Verses Reveal MOST BLESSED LORD JESUS CHRIST’s LOVE even further and BEYOND! Examples in image. GREATEST LOVE is #OBEDIENCE (John 15:13 – 15). This GREATEST LOVE is NOT achieved when you “#kill your enemies” (because you are ‘saving yourself’) but when you #OBEY CHRIST’s COMMAND to LOVE even YOUR #ENEMIES as HE DID FIRST, then it’s the “GREATEST LOVE” (i.e. CHRIST Taught to LOVE #believers, #family to #enemy too, e.g. in Matthew 5, Luke 6 – the “#narrow path”) [From Page 275 onward of the #LastBook], LOVE is measured by HOW WE #SPEND or KEEP to #GIVE AWAY our #MONEY/ #POSSESSIONS as CHRIST TEACHES here even toward enemies in Luke 6:32 – 34. Peace to you
The #BIBLE teaches that ALL sin is #not the same.
There are #big sins versus #small sins. In this post, I wish to show BIBLE #VERSES which teaches these particular #aspects which are “#rarely #known”
1) #SINNING when having #PROSPERITY and NO #CHARITY #DOCTRINE awaits #WORST #JUDGMENT
2) NOT all sin lead to #death but the Bible does not detail it out further (#mystery)
3) Sinning against “men #more #righteous” (for example #ChurchFathers) or the #Uriah type below (2 Samuel 11:11 which describes him as so #obedient to God that he doesn’t even easily #spend his #time/#money in enjoyment even if he #can just because others are #suffering – “#Renunciation Doctrine” which #Christ taught in Luke 14:33); some of these affects #heavenly #gradation (Matthew 5:19) while some #never #enter #heaven (Matthew 5:20) so probably saved on final new earth only (Revelation 21:24, 27 etc.) and so these are #IMPORTANT #DOCTRINES! #Principles of #righteousness/#Judgment remains same in #NewTestament too. Peace to you
Question 1
One question in relation to your comments; When a man or woman gets a Masters, PHD or Seminary degree, where does that come from, Father 𐤉𐤄𐤅𐤄, ha’Mashiaḥ 𐤉𐤄𐤅𐤔𐤏 or man? This reveals the truth of the matter in such cases.
Reply 1
Human will is involved as well. For example, there are many PHDs opposing Torah’s 613 commandments but only selecting 10 commandments (plus tithes etc for Gentiles) while I believe in 9 Commandments (no tithes but New Testament Traditions, which is Church Fathers position in common except Roman Catholics and Orthodox Add non written Traditions which cannot be proven so I do not keep it). So are all these contradictory PHD’s even within theology by God? How much more other fields? A lot of opinion type and man made fields plus the fact some knowledge came from the fallen angels (as Book of 1Enoch records and alluded to in Church Fathers writings and some Bible Verses) prove that it’s mixed. Only God can filter it but I present the evidence using mostly Chiliasm Church Fathers’ Writings.
Question 2
Here is another question; This one called as “St. Athanasius the Great” in whom participated in the Council of Nicea AD 325, and with those present, rejected several books that were included in the Septuagint in order to present a “canonized” Scriptures, is this one that should be trusted?
Reply 2
I will put it like this: Even the Roman Catholics consider the Septuagint fully inspired and so they don’t take say St. Athanasius rejection of certain books as valid. My point is not that. Did you notice that from the first/oldest Muratorian Canon (Roman Canon) considered “Shepherd of Hermas” as “True” (but cannot be numbered among NT nor OT books level only) as it is to be kept “secret” (not read publicly in church) while both St. Irenaeous of Lyons and Blessed Tertullian with Blessed Pope St. Callixtus I (Bishop of Rome) at that time even approves “Shepherd of Hermas” as “Scripture” endorsing it at that level. So St. Athanasius getting this “part right” is substantiated by his quote of approval of “Shepherd of Hermas” likewise. If he erred on other parts, it does “not” mean he erred on this part, can you see it? Can you show how say St. Irenaeous of Lyons is “unreliable” by say rejecting any books you think should be in canon (I follow more of CHILIASM Church Fathers like St. Ireneaous of Lyons who do “not” have such errors where if you say otherwise, please show me where with source? Please do a “control F” to “find” any names or keywords in my free books to see these parts with quote and source)
Question 3
Strange… I can’t find the word “trinity” anywhere in the Scriptures.
Reply 3
The word TRINITY is to explain what GOD Kept as Secret and only Revealed it through Lord Jesus Christ Onward, example [in Page 422 onward of the #DialoguesBook] using Isaiah 48:16 even from the OT. Notice also in the Baptism of CHRIST All Three Persons of the HOLY TRINITY were present at the same time, The FATHER Who Spoke from HEAVEN, the HOLY SPIRIT descending in a form like a DOVE and Lord JESUS CHRIST in FLESH).
Peace to you
The #BIBLE Verses listed in images below (not me) Reveal how we are to be #REAL in #LIFE
1) A #Friend loves at #all times (#Proverbs 17:17)
[Example: Whether one missed to call them for a year or even years, when they meet, it’s always like one just met up yesterday because “both” missed “meeting or calling” each other for that “year” or “years” but it did “not” affect their “#true friendship” at all]
2) A friend may not be there at all times, but it’s best to show up to “#help” (“#CharityDoctrine”) when a person is in need Proverbs 27:10 and can be shown even to ‘family members of friends’,
2 Samuel 21:7)
3) #Wealth and #Riches usually makes “#fake friendship” which will #vanish if that person becomes “#poor” (and not seen if the person ‘remains rich’, Proverbs 14:20) unless it was true friendship regardless of money. Some people even #discriminate friendships/family on basis of “high class vs low class” based on “#race, #caste, #salary-level etc.” (Proverbs 19:7) which is all #damnable to #hell for “not” loving others as oneself (Luke 16:24 – 25).
4) Most #people think that “being rich means #closest to God” while #GOD clearly has warned in #Scripture that they are “#theologically #wrong” but yet he never “removed their #prosperity” (Jeremiah 22:21) because that’s #not how GOD #Works (so GOD #cannot be #predicted by #anyone). Peace to you
Bravo! I love this! Wish other countries will share their solutions for “free” like this too. Also if local universities and lecturers also present some problems/discussions like this for the general public, what a knowledge sharing explosion it would be (not just in math) and not just sharing to one’s own race only but accessible to all (notice this former great Math olympian is not earning from it in any way, is not sharing some “easy” problems & overly paid for it such as typical school math and also is not getting a “pensionable job” or any other “secure” position before doing it. No point in being smart (if say able to do some of these questions) whether in Math or other field but live selfishly for oneself (or for one’s own race or religion if it only teaches to do good to only those within it), right? Sincerely a Good Work at Biblical standards (where this is a great example of “Charity Doctrine” in “Education”). Thank you! Link (for IMONST2 2023 “Senior” level solutions):
https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?ref=watch_permalink&v=739697031343312
https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?ref=watch_permalink&v=739697031343312
or
https://fb.watch/oqt640Li5M/
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#CharityDoctrine Explanation – #Holy #Scripture and #Logic
1) Firstly, obeying God in #FINANCE aspect is more important than #Sacrifice (attending #church, #praying, #tithes, #worship etc.) as various #prophets from #OldTestament and #CHRIST HIMSELF asked in Luke 11:39 – 41, Luke 10:25 – 37 & Matthew 25:31 – 46 and I have quoted in my books with “#Bible #Verses” and GOD’s WILL for FINANCE in #NEWTESTAMENT is NOT “#prosperity for family & self” but #CHARITY #DOCTRINE of SELL ALL & GIVE to #POOR (#Possessions, #skills, knowledge #spiritual or #secular, #money) but being imperfect we just give a “small” portion of what we have and its reward is NOT measured based on “amount” but by “#relative#measure” as POOR WIDOW’s 2 coins GAVE more than RICH who fed many as CHRIST HIMSELF TAUGHT (in Luke 21:1 – 3) as I have discussed in free pdf books prior (please read carefully).
2) Some people think that CHARITY DOCTRINE will sabotage the “livelihood” of others. CHARITY DOCTRINE is for the needy NOT rich. If a person has money to pay for MATH OLYMPIAD CLASSES, they should take paid classes especially from those who fulfill CHRIST’s FINANCE CHARITY DOCTRINE WILL in any little way, right? (even CHURCHES should run such FREE CLASSES [for any subject spiritual or secular] as CHRIST COMMANDED it). Instead of financially supporting those who do it in any little way, you support “businesses” which make use of “people with no racial advantage or nepotism” who say “make money out of math Olympiad” as businessman (but they themselves cannot do math Olympiad as private sector shows), is it fair?
3) Better to support individual Math Olympiad coaches who we actually former Math Olympians, right? So if you did “not” care about this type of fairness & support your race or support churches which run “no” charity doctrine programmes for the “poor” but have homeschools for the rich, what moral compass do we even have to argue about here? The RICH who take advantage of CHARITY DOCTRINE classes IF they CAN PAY for it are DEFINITELY GOING to HELL as CHRIST TAUGHT in the PARABLE of the RICH MAN and LAZARUS (Luke 16:19 – 31 with that REASON GIVEN in Luke 16:24 – 25), FAIR, RIGHT?
Peace to you
Why #Preach #HARSHLY against those who #OPPOSE #CHARITYDOCTRINE?
If you think I preached “harshly”, check out these #BIBLE #VERSES on #CHARITY #DOCTRINE (1 John 3:16 – 18) which PREACH a PERSON STRAIGHT to #ETERNAL #HELL even if LACKING in CHARITY DOCTRINE (Luke 16:24 – 25, Matthew 25:41 – 46).
On #Judgment #Day #God judges based on “Charity Doctrine” that one did “not” do also (Matthew 25:31 – 46). When one falls and breaks a #commandment, he falls once but without charity doctrine, one #sins #daily.
The #REASON is simple: You CANNOT speak #SOFTLY AGAINST #CRUELTY and LACK of CHARITY DOCTRINE is CRUELTY as #SODOM’s SIN was that too (Ezekiel 16:49). So if we #FOLLOW #CHRIST and the BIBLE, we should PREACH HARSHLY likewise, right?
Even toward #ENEMIES, CHARITY DOCTRINE is to be Practiced (Luke 6:27 – 36)and NOT #kill your enemies but #LOVE YOUR ENEMIES to #OVERCOME #EVIL with #GOOD (Romans 12:21); Lord Jesus Christ’s Standards are NOT high but #PERFECT and that’s why the #HIGHEST COMMAND to LOVE is CHARITY DOCTRINE to #BELIEVERS, #FAMILY, #NEIGHBOURS, #STRANGERS and #ENEMIES too.
If anyone thinks their “#philosophy” is greater, then may their “#income /#money / #possessions /#skills” shared for #FREE reach others to #enemies too. #Peace to you
Unparalleled #Musical #Wisdom – #King #Solomon’s Greatest #Song was about #LORD #JESUS #CHRIST and HIS #BRIDE (the #CHURCH #allegorically) which is the “#Eternal #Song”.
The “#Eternal #Song” for “#CHRIST” by #King #Solomon Reveals #CHARITYDOCTRINE as Greatest #Love
Personally I think in his Greatest Song, King Solomon was allegorically writing about the “CHARITY DOCTRINE LOVE of #GOD” (#Agape) which “some” in the “#CHURCH” (His #Bride allegorically) would fulfill as these Verses are linked by #GIVE #ALL the #POSSESSIONS in his #HOUSE (#money, #skill, #knowledge, etc.) for #FREE by “#RelativeMeasure” as Christ Revealed that even though the rich’s money fed many as opposed to the poor widow’s 2 coins, she gave more in (Luke 21:1 – 3) as many #ChurchFathers (including St. #Irenaeusof Lyons too have testified this part and pointed to “not” giving #low-#quality things for FREE but the #BEST one has too).
#Self #examination: By God’s Grace, have we really lived a #life of #love like this in any “#little” way since God’s Command to “SELL ALL (not some) and GIVE to the POOR” level is Revealed by the HIGHEST WISDOM of LORD JESUS CHRIST here? Please notice the “Sell/Leave HOUSE” or “Wealth” to the “POOR” which links Songs 8:7 to CHRIST’s Matthew 19:29, Matthew 19:21 and Mark 10:21. CHRIST Revealed that the “#CHRISTLIKE HEART” is to GIVE to CHARITY while “#Prosperity heart” (the #opposite) is NOT like CHRIST, implied in Luke 12:33 – 34. Peace to you
Sources:
https://nonprofitssource.com/online-giving-statistics/church-giving/
and
https://pushpay.com/blog/church-giving-statistics/
TQ
Problem: 6.3 million KWSP account holders with age less than 55 years old have less than RM 10000 in their accounts.
Link for article:
https://www.bernama.com/bm/am/news.php?id=2246257
Two ways of looking at this:
1) The lower income group did not work hard enough even though daily working
2) They worked for lower pay and so EPF amounts never became big as capitalism businesses generally don’t share “profits” willingly but pay low in “relative measure”.
Conclusion – Economy which matters in real life in Biblical Charity Doctrine Context is to improve on Point 2 above “willingly” only can “help the poor” toward the “workers who made you rich” and “God Will be pleased”. Also James 5:3 – 4 seems to point to “HELL FIRE” for the “RICH” who “HOARD MONEY” in these “LAST DAYS” (New Testament times) if NO Charity Doctrine (implied) & if NOT paying workers the pay-rate you will pay yourself if you were born of those ‘unfortunate race’ (implied). Peace to you
This famous Protestant Website preaches the same as me in essence (what a nice coincidence) in regard to James 5:1 – 4 in an earlier post, link:
https://bible.org/seriespage/19-stewarding-finances-god-s-way-james-51-6
Peace to you
More “#Harsh” #Preaching on the #TOPIC of #MONEY?
Even Blessed #MartinLuther, First #Champion of the #Protestant Faith, #Founder of the #Lutheran Churches himself wrote the famous quote below where if one is converted in regard to his “#purse” or “money” implying #financial giving to fulfill #NewTestament #CHARITYDOCTRINE #COMMANDS, one is NOT #converted at all (more quotes are added in link below too, quoting Martin Luther on this part and others as well); so if all of them agreed on this TOPIC of MONEY (#ChurchFathers are also full of #CHARITY #DOCTRINE quotes as my free pdf books shows), it should be right, right?
Martin Luther taught deeper that the Parable of the 5 #Wise vs 5 #Foolish Virgins linked to CHARITY DOCTRINE too as quoted in #free #pdf [in Page 27 onward of the #DoctrineBook],
Source for Puritan Website for this:
https://www.apuritansmind.com/stewardship/longquotesonwealth/
Peace to you
Question
Where do you think the name Jesus comes from? Jesu .it’s..sounds some similarity? Voilent evil spirit possesed man recognized Yahu’sha later asked to enter pigs JE… earth…SUS…pig…later ended up rushing down cliff to destruction.Broad and wide is the road to destruction and many walked in it but small and narrow is the path that leads to life and only a few find it
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That’s a silly argument as these languages are referring to their own deities. Nothing to do with the name Jesus or even Ieousous in Greek which is still NOT yeshua or Yahashua but is approved in Greek New Testament (which you haven’t refuted and simply talking about non-Christian religions, unrelated. So fallacious).
You see the dictionary is doing lexigraphy which is rubbish. Let me give you an example: take the English word “hotdog”; then that dictionary’s equivalent is saying that the animal “hotdog” got its name because it has something to do with “dog” where that’s NOT true at all. So linking “Greek phonetics” like that created such a ‘false teaching’ which you are believing. The Original Koine Greek Bible uses that same “Greek Phonetic” to call Christ “Ieousous” regardless if “Sus” meant “pig”, can you see it? Lexigraphy is only useful if like in Hebrew God Intended such breakdown of meaning of His Name. We cannot apply it to any language and claim something wrong about Christ. Simple as that.
Also in Acts 19:15, indeed the violent spirit recognized CHRIST’s NAME as RECORDED in GREEK as “Iesous” and NOT “Yeshua or Yahashua” as Written in ORIGINAL KOINE GREEK BIBLE (image below).
Peace to you
[Text] – Question
Your understanding of this verse is backwards, this is is talking to the ones who do keep the Seventh Day Sabbath. Rome wants you to keep it on Sunday, and the Apostle Kefas (Peter) is saying to those who keep the Sabbath on the Seventh Day Sabbath. “”””So let no one JUDGE YOU for keeping the Seventh Day Sabbath””””
So bottom line is if you do not keep the Seventh Day Sabbath you’re breaking His Law. (1John 3:4) says you’re a un-repented sinner
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Let no one judge you for “sabbath” and “food (say pork)”.
Three possibilities:
1) Must keep sabbath —> implies by same usage toward “pork” so Gentiles cannot eat pork (which contradicts other Verses such as Acts 10:15, 1 Timothy 4:3. So your position is a “contradiction” so cannot be true.
2) Must “not” keep sabbath —> implies by same usage toward “pork” so Gentiles can eat pork since the OT prohibition to “not” eat pork does “not” apply to them (which “agrees” other Verses such as Acts 10:15, 1 Timothy 4:3. So this position is a “possibility” so can be true).
3) Keeping or “not” keeping Sabbath is allowed as a choice for Gentiles —> implies by same usage toward “pork” so Gentiles can choose to eat pork or not (which “agrees” other Verses such as Acts 10:15, 1 Timothy 4:3. So this position is a “possibility” so can be true also).
So both positions 2) and 3) allows Gentiles to “not” keep Sabbath and eat pork. The AUGSBURG Confession by the FIRST PROTESTANT FATHERS agree more toward position 2) as I have shown with proof quotes in [Pages 171/172 onward of the #DoctrineBook]]. Personally I think position 3) is most accurate since it agrees with another Verse namely Romans 14:4 – 9 (described in [From Page 179 onward of the #DoctrineBook]). Now, handling the LAW and PROPHETS more accurately (in Matthew 5:17 – 20) merits higher gradation while getting “persecuted” say by your “local pastor or denomination or church which upholds sabbath for gentiles as a ‘must’ without which say they cannot allow you to serve in music ministry at Church’ then if they are right, they will get greater reward but if they are wrong (since they discriminated Christians like me or all Protestant Founders & Church Fathers who are either on position 2) or 3) only on that basis), by same judgment meted back (Matthew 7:1 – 3), they will likewise have their “music ministry unrecognized” by God (as per principle of warning in 1 Corinthians 14:38 too). So let GOD DECIDE who was “persecuted for righteousness” in this “Sabbath-Topic” (and He Will judge for every other topic likewise so we need to be careful & study the Bible with CHURCH HISTORY too) and the CHRISTIAN who gets it “RIGHT” MERITS GREATER REWARD as CHRIST DECLARED below:
“… 11Blessed are you when they REVILE and PERSECUTE you, and say ALL KINDS of EVIL against you FALSELY for MYS SAKE. 12Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for GREAT is your REWARDS in HEAVEN , for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you. ..” – Most Blessed LORD JESUS CHRIST (Matthew 5:12, NKJV)
Also according to you, even “Martin Luther” (First Protestant is an “unsaved sinner” based on your quote on 1 John 3:4 because he seemed to be closer to position 2) described above:
[From Page 50 onward of the #DoctrineBook]
“… Thus I keep the commandments which Moses has given, not because Moses gave the commandment, but because they have been implanted in me by nature, and Moses agrees exactly with nature, etc. TITHING: But the other commandments of Moses, which are not [implanted in all men] by nature, the Gentiles do not hold. Nor do these pertain to the Gentiles, such as the TITHE and others equally fine which I wish we had too. Now this is the first thing that I ought to see in Moses, namely, the commandments to which I am not bound except insofar as they are [implanted in everyone] by nature [and written in everyone’s heart]. … SABBATH: Again one can prove it from the third commandment that Moses does not pertain to Gentiles and Christians. For Paul [Col. 2:16] and the New Testament [Matt. 12:1-12; John 5:16; 7:22-23; 9:14-16] abolish the Sabbath, to show us that the Sabbath was given to the Jews alone, for whom it is a stern commandment. …” Blessed Martin Luther, The First Champion of the Protestant Faith, (LUTHER, MARTIN; August 27, 1525, HOW CHRISTIANS SHOULD REGARD MOSES) Example Sources (same content no matter which is quoted):
http://www.tithing-russkelly.com/id78.html
or
https://lutherancatechism.com/doc-lib/voelz_j_luthers_use_of_scripture_in_the_small_catechism.pdf
or
http://www.wordofhisgrace.org/LutherMoses.htm
About the letters non-existent etc., it does not matter the phonetics of “Ieousous” in KOINE GREEK ORIGINAL BIBLE since for example book of ACTS is Written entirely in GREEK & NOT translated from Aramaic NOR Hebrew like some propose for Matthew and so “Ieousous” is still NOT same as “Yeshua or Yahashua” meaning God allowed phonetic variation and eventually letter J in English fit it best, so the NAME JESUS okay and if you call HIM YESHUA or YAHSHUA etc., it’s okay too.
Peace to you
Even St. Augustine of Hippo considered the Septuagint and its Apocrypha books such as Tobit etc. as “Scripture” & Maccabees mentioned here (in image) has both “Charity Doctrine for Judgment of Sins as well as Purgatory Quote” and I have discussed this “possibility” in regard to “Lord Jesus Christ Himself celebrating this non-canonical “Hanukkah” which was due to this same “Maccabees” [From Pages 34 onward of the #DialoguesBook]. Only God knows who is right or more accurate. Peace to you
[Text for Reply] Even the #Orthodox and #Catholics don’t agree and some think the other is damned (so this proves “#human #choices”). Best is, “#Chiliasm” was taught by all #earliest and #greatest fathers of the church (details vary so can be #debated) but “chiliasm timeline is #same” such as St. #Irenaeus of Lyons, #Tertullian, St, #Ambrose of Milan (who converted & baptised non-Chiliasm popular leader St. #Augustine of Hippo), St. #Methodius of Olympus, St. #Victorinus, St. #Papias, St. #Justin of Rome (St. #JustinMartyr) which itself shows the #Roman Catholic church now is “not” the same as the ones held by these ones listed. Notice that St. Augustine of Hippo (who is later) #contradicts his “own converter/teacher/baptiser” Blessed Archbishop St. Ambrose of Milan where the latter clearly believes in CHILIASM and also has plenty of NON-ELECT SALVATION #POSSIBILITY quotes meaning “human will” is clearly present here for ‘what the #CHURCH chooses to believe’ but who is right LET #GOD DECIDE but it PROVES that CHILIASM position cannot be #condemned even if #wrong (please read my free pdfs to see proof quotes with ‘roman catholic sources’ itself – but what are the #chances the ones listed here especially St. Irenaeous of Lyons is wrong? So we need to tread carefully lest the “#judgment” we judge is meted back if we turned out “wrong” on some “#theological# topics”) as #CHRIST #Warned in Matthew 7:1 – 3. #Peace to you
Roman Catholicism has added a lot of things which were not there in the earliest Church Father’s writings such as “Praying to Virgin Mary etc,.” So reformers such as Blessed Martin Luther (First Protestant) and Blessed John Calvin did correct many theological errors. However, in the context of “Prophecy” and since it is not of any private interpretation, I still find the earliest Church Fathers (with no prayers to Virgin Mary etc.) majority of them believing in Chiliasm timeline. Now a consequence of that is there could be a “non-elect salvation” possibility which is even supported by “majority of non-chiliasm Church Father’s quotes of the Doctors of the Church type before 700 AD” as I have shown in my free pdfs which could mean that such a concept was there (except the term “non-elect salvation” was not coined) or they were all wrong on this part. So I try to supplement an explanation in my free pdfs how this could have been because the other parts of Justification by Faith etc. is already wonderfully done by the reformers except for the emphasis on Charity Doctrine Fruit which sometimes is less understood and so I emphasize on this part too to try fill in the gaps with Church Father quotes as well. The non-elect salvation part is a possibility not doctrine because no one can be 100% sure and so let God decide but I choose to present the “evidence” from “earliest” Church History honestly. Peace to you
Question
so then where did the real church go while everyone was praying to saints for next 1000 years?
Reply
Exactly, that’s a question I asked as well in my own book and the possibility I can think of is “God’s Mercy” either some saved with lower gradation (in Elect Salvation) and/or maybe non-Elect Salvation because St. Justin Martyr (St. Justin of Rome) from the “west” has an interesting quote which may point to this as follows where he says even the “Church” has been “Prophesied” to contain both “Elect (sons) vs non-Elect salvation (servants)” according to “rank and God’s Foreknowledge” ([From Page 66 onward of the #ChiliasmBook] & St. Gregory Nazianzus’ likewise has a similar quote from the “east” [in Page 67 onward of the #ChiliasmBook] which can agree with John 15:15 in Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ’s Words regarding difference between “sons vs servant level salvation” (so with these “evidences”, please see images below, I view it as a “possibility”); Being “Chosen” by God seems to be linked to this “Topic” of “Servants vs Sons” as the next “consecutive Verse” (immediate context) reveals CHRIST DECLARING this in John 15:15 – 16.
Please also notice that “rank” seems to depend on “knowing” as per John 15:15 – 16 to become “sons” (not based on money/anything else) and both St. Justin of Rome and St. Gregory Nazianzus’ quotes seem to “know NON ELECT SALVATION” when they quoted this context of “sons vs servant” (please see other pages of the #ChiliasmBook to see this) – so we need to consider this possibility seriously, right? Peace to you
Why I do “not” Pray to Virgin Mary as Intercessor or as anything else?
Example evidence by a major Church Father (third from Apostle St. John and disciple of St. Polycarp) by St. Irenaeous of Lyons that the First Roman Catholic Church did “not” Pray to Angels and so in “similar logic” would “not” have “Prayed to Virgin Mary” either
[From Page 94 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
“…For as she has received freely Matthew 10:8 from God, freely also does she minister [to others]. 5. Nor does she perform anything by means of angelic invocations, or by incantations, or by any other wicked curious art; but, directing her prayers to the Lord, who made all things, in a pure, sincere, and straightforward spirit, and calling upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, she has been accustomed to work miracles for the advantage of mankind, and not to lead them into error. …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church,First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD , ‘Against Heresies’, (Book II, Chapter 32), Point 4, 5-partial)
Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103232.htm
Comment: I repeat: Chiliasm fathers are the oldest Church Father’s writing extending to the millennia just that the Roman Catholics skipped it and added new stuff. So I am the one trying to return to it and if you read St. Irenaeous of lyons when he mentioned about prayer, he wrote that the Church only prays to Lord Jesus Christ and NOT to angels even which already disproves your modern roman Catholic position of praying to angels as helpers or intercessors just like prayers to Virgin Mary under the same reasoning cannot be true either as I have shown in my free pdf books with roman Catholic Source even. It’s funny that St. Ireneaous of lyons (third from Apostle St. John and Disciple of St. Polycarp) when writing about prayer never mentioned it to be done via Virgin Mary but only Lord Jesus Christ. Also the fact that in the same breath he wrote that the Church does “not” pray “nor” invoke angels for “help or intercession or whatever else” (say in Page 94 of #ChiliasmBook ) proves that the original roman Catholic Church does not pray to angels as helpers nor as intercessors too and so this proves he definitely does not pray to Virgin Mary either as those who believe such do both and those who don’t do neither prayers to virgin Mary nor to angels. It should be clear to anyone reading this. A person can lie about history but no one can change history (one day God Will Reveal be it after death even)
Plenty of links in the internet from official Roman Catholic Websites give proof for their “prayers” to both “angels/Virgin Mary” (see below)
Sola Scriptura position is fully endorsed by 1 Corinthians 4:6. I repeat: You just confessed to “no” Scripture evidence which already proved your position false. Oral traditions are not a must and cannot verified to be true especially when for example prayers to virgin Mary are “not” found in any Church Fathers writing up to 3rd to 4th century. So your verbal tradition does “not” even need to be followed even for the right ones if it is “not Written” according to 1 Corinthians 4:6 which again disproves your position once and for all. NON-Praying to Virgin Mary FIRST ROMAN CATHOLICS were all believers of CHILIASM too according to St. Ireneaous of Lyons. Peace to you
The “Math of Eternity for Doctrinal Accuracy”
Example of a Refutation in support of Protestantism against Roman Catholic & Orthodox for the Topic of Prayers to Angels/Saint/Virgin_Mary
[Please remember that LOW QUALITY RESEARCH and LOW RIGOUROUS ARGUMENTS do NOT bring ‘glory to God’ but makes HIS MOST HOLY NAME PROFANED among the GENTILES, let’s begin; if not satisfied, please invite me to a debate in your local Catholic Church or Archbishop himself & let’s just debate “live” and you can decide who sounds “more accurate” – this is “not” a prideful statement because only a one WITH PRIDE wears a TITLE/POSITION but is UNABLE to PRODUCE ACCURACY even for THEIR OWN HISTORICAL QUOTES as evidenced by this OFFICIAL VATICAN DEFENSE on this topic – is this the “BEST” you can do with all those PHDS? – same warning applies to other denominations on “OTHER TOPICS” & me too “if we are wrong” unless “we admitted it as a POSSIBILITY but DID NOT make a DOCTRINE out of it in which CASE JUDGMENT is HIGHER as JAMES 3:1 WARNS! – example “non-Elect Salvation which I propose is a “possibility NOT doctrine” so even if wrong it never affects salvation of anyone]
Here I will give a further “Proper Classification” for the type of quotes done by Roman Catholic History (which also reveals their Research Ability) based on link below (imagine taking all the big salaries to positions with all PHDs done in this topic and producing this “level” of “accuracy”) – sorry to be sarcastic but it shows how if we are paid more etc. we should present more “honestly” & if cannot, how can one even be ordained to speak “more truths” if simple ones like this are NOT “honestly presented”?:
https://www.catholic.com/tract/the-intercession-of-the-saints
1) These quotes from the “Roman Catholic Source” itself only proves that Prayer is done from those alive on earth vs angels and saints on the spirit world side but NOT that we who are alive on earth pray to them (which is the ERROR of ROMAN CATHOLICS and ORTHODOX, let them pray in anyway they want by their own will & when you die & are saved means you can do it from there)
Hermas
“[The Shepherd said:] ‘But those who are weak and slothful in prayer, hesitate to ask anything from the Lord; but the Lord is full of compassion, and gives without fail to all who ask him. But you, [Hermas,] having been strengthened by the holy angel [you saw], and having obtained from him such intercession, and not being slothful, why do not you ask of the Lord understanding, and receive it from him?’” (The Shepherd 3:5:4 [A.D. 80]).
Clement of Alexandria
“In this way is he [the true Christian] always pure for prayer. He also prays in the society of angels, as being already of angelic rank, and he is never out of their holy keeping; and though he pray alone, he has the choir of the saints standing with him [in prayer]” (Miscellanies 7:12 [A.D. 208]).
Origen
“But not the high priest [Christ] alone prays for those who pray sincerely, but also the angels . . . as also the souls of the saints who have already fallen asleep” (Prayer 11 [A.D. 233]).
Cyprian of Carthage
“Let us remember one another in concord and unanimity. Let us on both sides [of death] always pray for one another. Let us relieve burdens and afflictions by mutual love, that if one of us, by the swiftness of divine condescension, shall go hence first, our love may continue in the presence of the Lord, and our prayers for our brethren and sisters not cease in the presence of the Father’s mercy” (Letters 56[60]:5 [A.D. 253]).
Cyril of Jerusalem
“Then [during the Eucharistic prayer] we make mention also of those who have already fallen asleep: first, the patriarchs, prophets, apostles, and martyrs, that through their prayers and supplications God would receive our petition” (Catechetical Lectures 23:9 [A.D. 350]).
Hilary of Poitiers
“To those who wish to stand [in God’s grace], neither the guardianship of saints nor the defenses of angels are wanting” (Commentary on the Psalms 124:5:6 [A.D. 365]).
The Liturgy of St. Basil
“By the command of your only-begotten Son we communicate with the memory of your saints . . . by whose prayers and supplications have mercy upon us all, and deliver us for the sake of your holy name” (Liturgy of St. Basil [A.D. 373]).
Gregory of Nazianz
“Yes, I am well assured that [my father’s] intercession is of more avail now than was his instruction in former days, since he is closer to God, now that he has shaken off his bodily fetters, and freed his mind from the clay that obscured it, and holds conversation naked with the nakedness of the prime and purest mind” (ibid., 18:4).
John Chrysostom
“He that wears the purple [i.e., a royal man] . . . stands begging of the saints to be his patrons with God, and he that wears a diadem begs the tentmaker [Paul] and the fisherman [Peter] as patrons, even though they be dead” (Homilies on Second Corinthians 26 [A.D. 392]).
“When you perceive that God is chastening you, fly not to his enemies . . . but to his friends, the martyrs, the saints, and those who were pleasing to him, and who have great power [in God]” (Orations 8:6 [A.D. 396]).
Ambrose of Milan
“May Peter, who wept so efficaciously for himself, weep for us and turn towards us Christ’s benign countenance” (The Six Days Work 5:25:90 [A.D. 393]).
Jerome
“You say in your book that while we live we are able to pray for each other, but afterwards when we have died, the prayer of no person for another can be heard. . . . But if the apostles and martyrs while still in the body can pray for others, at a time when they ought still be solicitous about themselves, how much more will they do so after their crowns, victories, and triumphs?” (Against Vigilantius 6 [A.D. 406]).
Augustine
“A Christian people celebrates together in religious solemnity the memorials of the martyrs, both to encourage their being imitated and so that it can share in their merits and be aided by their prayers” (Against Faustus the Manichean [A.D. 400]).
“At the Lord’s table we do not commemorate martyrs in the same way that we do others who rest in peace so as to pray for them, but rather that they may pray for us that we may follow in their footsteps” (Homilies on John 84 [A.D. 416]).
“Neither are the souls of the pious dead separated from the Church which even now is the kingdom of Christ. Otherwise there would be no remembrance of them at the altar of God in the communication of the Body of Christ” (The City of God 20:9:2 [A.D. 419]).
2) These quotes from that “same Roman Catholic source” are the only evidence they have for prayers of “their type” which is “pray to saints/angels/Virgin Mary directly” (can you see how “less” such an “evidence” really is? There is much more evidence for NON-ELECT SALVATION “earlier in time” as well as “from CHURCH FATHERS” and NOT anonymous/unknown sources included – can you see the “difference” in “reliability” as well as “research ability too” since some quotes below are FALSELY attributed – read below both sides and decide for yourselves)?
i) Possibly historically true quotes but NOT from any CHILIASM CHURCH FATHER NOR ANY MAJOR CHURCH FATHERS and UNRELIABLE anonymous/unknown ones used:
Anonymous
“Atticus, sleep in peace, secure in your safety, and pray anxiously for our sins” (funerary inscription near St. Sabina’s in Rome [A.D. 300]).
“Pray for your parents, Matronata Matrona. She lived one year, fifty-two days” (ibid.).
“Mother of God, [listen to] my petitions; do not disregard us in adversity, but rescue us from danger” (Rylands Papyrus 3 [A.D. 350]).
”
Pectorius
“Aschandius, my father, dearly beloved of my heart, with my sweet mother and my brethren, remember your Pectorius in the peace of the Fish [Christ]” (Epitaph of Pectorius [A.D. 375]).
ii) The saints who actually prayed ROMAN CATHOLIC or ORTHODOX style today
Ephraim the Syrian
“You victorious martyrs who endured torments gladly for the sake of the God and Savior, you who have boldness of speech toward the Lord himself, you saints, intercede for us who are timid and sinful men, full of sloth, that the grace of Christ may come upon us, and enlighten the hearts of all of us so that we may love him” (Commentary on Mark [A.D. 370]).
“Remember me, you heirs of God, you brethren of Christ; supplicate the Savior earnestly for me, that I may be freed through Christ from him that fights against me day by day” (The Fear at the End of Life [A.D. 370]).
Gregory of Nyssa
“[Ephraim], you who are standing at the divine altar [in heaven] . . . bear us all in remembrance, petitioning for us the remission of sins, and the fruition of an everlasting kingdom” (Sermon on Ephraim the Syrian [A.D. 380]).
*Gregory of Nyssa also believed the “devil could be saved & was full universalist” so his quotes are “not” reliable.
Gregory of Nazianz
“May you [Cyprian] look down from above propitiously upon us, and guide our word and life; and shepherd this sacred flock . . . gladden the Holy Trinity, before which you stand” (Orations 17[24] [A.D. 380]).
*Notice that St. Gregory Nazianzus’ quote above can also mean “part of a speech” rather than “prayer to Cyprian” but regardless it proves he can be in error (please see “conclusion” at the end of this writing with St. Ireneaous of Lyons’ quote which the “Roman Catholics skipped” in their history presentation here who is “more accurate and earlier in time” for rebuttal of such prayers).
iii) FALSELY Attributed to saints in list above
Methodius
“Hail to you for ever, Virgin Mother of God, our unceasing joy, for to you do I turn again. . . . Hail, you treasure of the love of God. Hail, you fount of the Son’s love for man” (Oration on Simeon and Anna 14 [A.D. 305]).
“Therefore, we pray [ask] you, the most excellent among women, who glories in the confidence of your maternal honors, that you would unceasingly keep us in remembrance. O holy Mother of God, remember us, I say, who make our boast in you, and who in august hymns celebrate the memory, which will ever live, and never fade away” (ibid.).
“And you also, O honored and venerable Simeon, you earliest host of our holy religion, and teacher of the resurrection of the faithful, do be our patron and advocate with that Savior God, whom you were deemed worthy to receive into your arms. We, together with you, sing our praises to Christ, who has the power of life and death, saying, ‘You are the true Light, proceeding from the true Light; the true God, begotten of the true God’” (ibid.).
This is FALSELY attributed as I have discussed this particular writing in detail in [Page 266 onward of the #LastBook]
Conclusion
Example evidence by a major Church Father (third from Apostle St. John and disciple of St. Polycarp) by St. Irenaeous of Lyons that the First Roman Catholic Church did “not” Pray to Angels and so in “similar logic” would “not” have “Prayed to Virgin Mary” either
[From Page 94 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
“…For as she has received freely Matthew 10:8 from God, freely also does she minister [to others]. 5. Nor does she perform anything by means of angelic invocations, or by incantations, or by any other wicked curious art; but, directing her prayers to the Lord, who made all things, in a pure, sincere, and straightforward spirit, and calling upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, she has been accustomed to work miracles for the advantage of mankind, and not to lead them into error. …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church,First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD , ‘Against Heresies’, (Book II, Chapter 32), Point 4, 5-partial)
Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103232.htm
Comment: I repeat: Chiliasm fathers are the oldest Church Father’s writing extending to the millennia just that the Roman Catholics skipped it and added new stuff. So I am the one trying to return to it and if you read St. Irenaeous of lyons when he mentioned about prayer, he wrote that the Church only prays to Lord Jesus Christ and NOT to angels even which already disproves your modern roman Catholic position of praying to angels as helpers or intercessors just like prayers to Virgin Mary under the same reasoning cannot be true either as I have shown in my free pdf books with roman Catholic Source even. It’s funny that St. Ireneaous of lyons (third from Apostle St. John and Disciple of St. Polycarp) when writing about prayer never mentioned it to be done via Virgin Mary but only Lord Jesus Christ. Also the fact that in the same breath he wrote that the Church does “not” pray “nor” invoke angels for “help or intercession or whatever else” (say in Page 94 of #ChiliasmBook ) proves that the original roman Catholic Church does not pray to angels as helpers nor as intercessors too and so this proves he definitely does not pray to Virgin Mary either as those who believe such do both and those who don’t do neither prayers to virgin Mary nor to angels. It should be clear to anyone reading this. A person can lie about history but no one can change history (one day God Will Reveal be it after death even).
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so it sounds like it’s just a matter of using the word differently. Catholics and Orthodox don’t believe Mary and the saints are God, so they aren’t “praying to them” according to your definition
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It’s called “Marian Prayers” and “Prayers to Angels” (I think you misunderstood their definition or some Catholics are deceiving you with their play of words) as per image you can see that from links below
http://www.catholictradition.org/Angels/guardians-text.htm
or this too
https://msj.edu/student-life/campus-ministry/Marian-Pilgrimage-resources.pdf
Also when Catholics & Orthodox Pray to the dead, it’s “necromancy” and prohibited in Scripture (e.g. Isaiah 8:19 – 20) in image warns ‘something will talk back to them but it is NOT the dead but familiar spirits & the Verse says those who do that HAVE NO LIGHT in THEM’ – sounds pretty serious, so let God Decide whether He Judges or has Mercy on some.
“… Mark 12:26-27
… have you not read in the book of Moses, in the passage about the burning bush, how God spoke to him, saying, “I am the God of Abraham and the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob?” He is not the God of the dead, but of the living; you are greatly mistaken. …”
Yea when Christ Said that Verse, He did “not” teach them to pray to Moses etc. They are living indeed but they are “bodily dead” and we are not supposed to communicate with them, remember Prophet Samuel’s case? Indeed, you are greatly mistaken.
No Church Fathers ever reported any “Virgin Mary Apparition or equivalent” Miracles. Remember that. Signs and Wonders can come from the “Devil” himself. For Roman Catholics/Orthodox, don’t forget the “Miracle Claims” and plenty of “doctor proofs” done by “pentecostals” even weekly too. Sometimes God Heals by “His Mercy” and nothing to do with proving any of your doctrinal claims
That definition of prayer is by Roman Catholic source. Only you guys seem to have more than one definition. Ours is fixed: no communicating in any way to a person who is bodily dead a example of Prophet Samuel (the bodily dead “saint” proves even in 1 Samuel 28:12 – 19). We only communicate with Lord Jesus Christ. Best is even St. Ireneaous of Lyons already said we don’t even communicate with living angels as per quote presented & mentioned clearly that only prayers to Lord Jesus for the Church. Simple as that.
Please look carefully at each quote in link, the Roman Catholics and Orthodox are simply quoting these saints even to mean something they had “not” said namely invocation of saints/angels/Virgin Mary (i.e. prayers to them is “not” found among the earliest Church Fathers timeline). The quotes mention angels and saints pray in heaven, indeed but “no” interaction “nor” prayer is mentioned between them and the living (let them do what they want in heaven) but it has nothing to do with “praying through or to them”; their errors are obvious and only the later Church father quotes erred because such understanding and distinction was obscured. I will use your same source and comment below in regard to this difference in aspect (context) and each can see and decide for themselves who is “more accurate” or “less accurate” or worst still, “who is deliberately lying using these quotes” vs “who is speaking the truth of these quotes as it is”. Let each decide for themselves which is right because it affects Salvation and/or gradation in eternity as well (it also proves that “number of converts or staying in religious power continuously for thousands of years with many churches itself is NOT proof of ‘cannot be wrong in doctrine’ & likewise ‘other doctrines of other protestant denominations can also be in error’ when compared to say Chiliasm Church Fathers especially St. Ireneaous of Lyons & St. Justin Martyr whom I follow most because we cannot simply claim to read the Bible by ourselves as everyone can read it from their own opinions’ – so this is the “honest” route I that agrees with earliest Church History as their writings cover the most topics among earliest Church Fathers.
Peace to you
Example common Arguments against Martin Luther (First Protestant & Founder of the Lutheran Churches)
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including his replacement theology, confusion over what justification by faith means and his anti semitism and hatred for anabaptist who he thought it was okay to drown by baptism. yeah he is insane
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1) His “Replacement Theology” is also believed by say John Calvin, founder of the reformed churches and many such Christians today.
2) Justification by Faith debate has spanned entire Christian timeline and so it’s not unique to him though his impact during the reformation highlighted this topic the most.
3) Luther’s antisemitism is definitely wrong but that does not mean his other parts of theology especially when it agrees with earliest Church Fathers is necessarily wrong. A man can have his mistakes and his right points being human. For example, his interpretation of the Parable of the 5 Wise and 5 Foolish Virgins to refer to Faith + Charity Doctrine in essence agrees as a common meaning to all earlier Church Fathers (whether he read those fathers or not) and the meaning is independent of him (because Church Fathers were much earlier) and on the point they all agree such as this, the chances of it being true is higher & I don’t disagree.
4) Aiming to drown anabaptists is definitely wrong and sometimes he might have just said it in words but did not do it literally (‘figure of speech’).
Conclusion – Since “no” protestant can “skip” Martin Luther from their history (since he is the “First Protestant”) and so they must acknowledge that he is “Chosen of God” regardless, the honest part is this: the majority of errors in doctrine & attitude for majority of protestants (including me) are NOT that bad compared to his, right? I mean if GOD can choose such a man he can choose anyone, right? So we just do our part but if “not” that serious (errors in words) and not action it may affect NOT salvation but GRADATION only unless it’s the unforgivable blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. So some churches say “not” wanting to collaborate in ministry with each other or us say in “charity doctrine” based on premise of different theology is absurd since even errors like this by Martin Luther GOD ALLOWED & still used him. Peace to you
Example Martin Luther Post:
Details in link below (too much to list here):
TQ
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