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Powerpoint Slide – Why I wrote the books? An Explanation

Update: FYI, as of 23 Dec 2023 total slides is 160 currently.

FULL Powerpoint Viewer Version (sent in emails) but Posted 7 Dec 2023 in link below:

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1C3FZh5AFL2aNDy9s7TA0TphwmF7dBbpP/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103161103828141436650&rtpof=true&sd=true

*Any error is mine and if anything turned out accurate it’s by God’s Grace only.

Peace to you and Thank you

2 Esdras and NO condemnation for even “Universalism” request by Blessed Prophet Ezra to the MOST HIGH GOD even.

Other interesting 2 Esdras possible Scripture quotes in regard to CHARITY DOCTRINE for both JUDGMENT of SINS and HIGHEST ETERNAL REWARDS as well as “POSSIBLE” Non-Elect Salvation by God’s Mercy via believing after seeing after Judgment (understood with other Bible Verses such as John 6:35 – 40 or even Matthew 25:31 – 46 in CHILIASM Timeline seem to refer to non-Christians who did CHARITY DOCTRINE to CHRISTIANS as they seem “not” to know the Lord fully either as they ask back, “… When did we see you hungry/thirsty/naked/homeless etc.? …”); image is [From Page 551 onward of the #BibleandChurchFathersQuoteBook] and [From Page 340 onward of the #LastBook] for believing after seeing possibility too within LAST DAY which in CHILIASM Timeline spans 1000 years with 1st resurrection at the start and 2^nd resurrection at the end of it.

Image is Slide 160.

#NONELECTSALVATION #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by #Scripture in #First #Jewish #Christian Prophet #Ezra from #Esdras #Charity #Doctrine #Judgment of #Sins #Work and #Faith too as #Possibility and #not #Doctrine #present #Evidence let #GOD #decide #Verdict #Honesty is #Best #Policy .
Peace to you

Who are we? (Photos below from 6 Dec 2023 – Just having fun with camera and hairstyles change) haha

Special Thank You to God (Who by His Mercy allows us to live even if we are wrong knowingly or unknowingly),
Gavin Vincent (for managing the website), Benaiah (for songs, photos and videos) & all others for theological discussions & support etc.

Question

All believers are saints and righteous people through the sinless precious blood of Jesus. We glorify and give praises to the Lord not saints. I can die without the knowledge about saints but not without christ who is the ONLY life giver

Yepp no one is giving any glory to saints. Did you read the quote above? St. ireneaous is explaining that the “glory” does “not” even belong to “disciples/christian for following Christ” but rather that the “Glory is Christ’s which we ought to see”. In fact, “wrong knowledge/doctrine” will “not” give glory to God and so we need to read those before us to check as it cannot be that “no” one knew true knowledge or God could not preserve it and it depended on a few modern ones right? So who is right on which part of doctrine, let God Decide.

Photo: 8 Dec 2023

Simple example of “human will” influence even in priesthood and that the best don’t always get appointed either even within “Christianity”. Love of money/Prosperity are usually the main “unfairness”.

The Math of Truth vs Honesty

We report an “Evidence” for example regarding “possible Non Elect Salvation” and whether it’s true or not let God Decide but we will NEVER be LIARS either way because that’s the TRUTH as HISTORY records meaning even if wrong, God will understand as we did NOT quote “voices in the head nor some made up modern quotes which existed not in First Christianity”. Can you see it? Truth is not always about being correct (which is best) but also about being “honest” (reporting something as it is which has “no” condemnation either). The quotes I added are example of ‘how’ I think it might be ‘possible’ if St. Gregory Nazianzus’ quotes here are true. Only God can decide which is Truth here so it remains a “possibility” only (not doctrine).

Who is he? Blessed St. Gregory Nazianzus, the Second Great Greek Doctor of the Church, also known as Gregory the Theologian or Gregory Nazianzen, Archbishop of Constantinople, Theologian, Doctor of the Church, Great Hierarch, Cappadocian Father, Ecumenical Teacher, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church (c. 329 AD – c. 390 AD).

#GregoryNazianzus #DoctoroftheChurch #ChurchFather #GreatHirearch #Orthodox #Catholic #NonElectSalvation #Possibility #Not #Doctrine .
#Christian #Quotes #Mystery even for #Protestants .

[From Page 351 onward of the #LastBook] An example Judgment Day believing after Seeing possibility for Non Elect Salvation possibility in the Book of 1Enoch. That quote is below:

for further comparison:

[Chapter 50]

1 And in those days a change shall take place for the holy and elect,

And the light of days shall abide upon them,

And glory and honour shall turn to the holy,

2 On the day of affliction on which evil shall have been treasured up against the sinners.

And the righteous shall be victorious in the name of the Lord of Spirits:

And He will cause the others to witness (this)

That they may repent

And forgo the works of their hands.

3 They shall have no honour through the name of the Lord of Spirits,

Yet through His name shall they be saved,

And the Lord of Spirits will have compassion on them,

For His compassion is great.

4 And He is righteous also in His judgement,

And in the presence of His glory unrighteousness also shall not maintain itself:

At His judgement the unrepentant shall perish before Him.

5 And from henceforth I will have no mercy on them, saith the Lord of Spirits.

Source: (Book of 1Enoch, Chapters 50 in FULL). Translation Source (via Famous Protestant Historian Professor Philip Schaff, Professor of Church History and Biblical Literature in the German Reformed Theological Seminary):

https://www.ccel.org/c/charles/otpseudepig/enoch/ENOCH_2.HTM

You can also find this translation in other sources (even parallel translations) all read the same for this part in say in link here: http://www.qbible.com/enoch/

Notice that this same quote is found in CHAPTER 49 and not 50 in the other translation of Book of 1Enoch due to modern numberings but the content is same, example link below:

http://www.qbible.com/enoch/49.html

#Enoch #BookofEnoch #Bookof1Enoch #Qumran #JudgmentDay #NonElectSalvation #Possibility #not #Doctrine .

The Qumran Caves discovery of Book of 1Enoch contains pieces of the originals but is missing traces of “part 2” which if preserved in the “Ethiopic equivalent” has a Possible Non-Elect Salvation Judgment Day Quote (shown in image) toward a “Salvation with NO HONOUR and BELIEVING AFTER SEEING” (hence NOT elect-salvation but NON-Elect Salvation).

“Possible” Academic Logic: (since the “part 1” modern cave Qumran discovery which pre-dates CHRIST matches the “part1 for Ethiopic Version” as well”) for the ‘traces part’ so it’s possible that Part 2 (quoted in image) could be “true” from within this “same” Book of 1Enoch in Ethiopic Version as well (NOT Book of 2Enoch, 3ENOCH etc. which are most likely NOT true).

#Enoch #Jewish #Bookof1Enoch #BookofEnoch #Qumran #Discovery #Ethiopic #Orthodox Possible #Scripture #Catholic for #JudgmentDay #Believe after #seeingisbelieving #NonElectSalvation #Possibility #Not #Doctrine .
#Christian #Quotes #Mystery even for #Protestants .

Never forget the other side of the coin – Can you prove your theological possibility by quoting even your theological enemies?

Here I present that CHILIASM PROPHECY Timeline is held by GREATEST Fathers among the EARLIEST KNOWN (no earlier writings of any fathers survive to such PROPHECY CONTEXT preservation where if anyone says otherwise, please ask for quote and source). Details of which CHILIASM PROPHECY is correct or not can be debated. That’s the MOST HONEST POSITION with EVIDENCE which I see where in pages mentioned in image I quote ROMAN CATHOLIC HISTORICAL SOURCE as well.

#CHILIASM #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by #DoctoroftheChurch and #EARLIEST #CHURCH #HISTORY & #ChurchFather from #Orthodox #Catholic #NonElectSalvation #Possibility #Not #Doctrine .
#Christian #Quotes #Mystery even for #Protestants #Ambrose #JustinMartyr #iraneus #Tertullian #melito #Papias #Methodius #Lactantius #Victorinus #Hippolytus .

First Great Latin Doctor of the Church – St. Ambrose of Milan who converted, baptized and taught St. Augustine of Hippo himself believed in CHILIASM Prophecy and NON-Elect Salvation – did you know?

*First as in order of time he existed (“earliest”). There are billions of Christians but are eventually theologically linked and converted mostly toward St. Augustine of Hippo’s writings influencing next (“spiritual parenting context”) but here we find his spiritual parent believes differently. In slides 114 to 118 (link below) I show how St. Ambrose’s quotes have affected Roman Catholicism even today.

#CHILIASM #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by #DoctoroftheChurch and #EARLIEST #CHURCH #HISTORY & #ChurchFather from #Orthodox #Catholic #NonElectSalvation #Possibility #Not #Doctrine .
#Christian #Quotes #Mystery even for #Protestants #Ambrose #AmbroseofMilan #Teacher and the one who #Converted #Augustine (#AugustineofHippo) and #Baptized him into #Christianity as his #spiritual #parent .

Second Great Latin Doctor of the Church – St. Jerome of Stridon (also believed in Non-Elect Salvation Possibility) – did you know?

*Second as in order of time he existed (“earliest”). God used his TRANSLATION of the BIBLE to CONVERT the WESTERN world for at least 1000 years (6th century to 1600 AD) as the “ONLY ONE”. Can you “SEE” it? Notice that Roman Catholics use the quote in Slide 91 to refer to the unlearnt case but St. Jerome does not limit it thus) which can easily be proven with Slide 92 which Roman Catholics use for “Purgatory support” but if you read the actual quote in “full” it CONTRADICTS their claim that “Purgatory is only for holy but imperfect Roman Catholics”, since St. JEROME’s ACTUAL QUOTE seems to include SINNERS, HERETICS (‘unbelievers’ too), JEWISH-UNBELIEVERS to even SODOMITES etc. to be SAVED by FIRE as the MEANING of 1 Corinthians 3:14 – 15, the BIBLE VERSE he quotes for this INTERPRETATION together with EZEKIEL 16:48 – 55 in FINAL JUDGMENT CONTEXT. Let GOD decide which is right but as usual I present the “evidence” for this “possibility”.

St. Jerome is sometimes unfairly ‘mocked’ by some so called modern scholars as ‘psychologically unstable etc.’ because say his virginity quotes (since he lost it) seems to reveal his inner turmoil trying to reach perfection again (just like even King David in the Bible is often analyzed for “depression or as having psychological issues” via his “honest psalms to God”) but these are wrongly interpreted because St. Jerome and King David are honestly revealing their inner thoughts to God (many modern ones just hide it and may be the real crazy ones inside due to prosperity-hunger or “love of money” which is the “root” [unseen] of “all evil” etc.). Proof? GOD chose St. JEROME and King DAVID so GOD cannot be choosing “psychos” for say writing a BIBLE TRANSLATION as the ONLY ONE for 1000 years as in the case of St. Jerome (if multiple translations some can be from unstable-men) and in the case of King David, how can GOD use a psychologically unstable person to write INSPIRED VERSES in PSALMS for which he is judged even? Silly, right? Please don’t be deceived.

#NONELECTSALVATION #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by #DoctoroftheChurch and #EARLIEST #CHURCH #HISTORY & #ChurchFather from #Orthodox #Catholic #Non #Elect #Salvation #Possibility not #Doctrine .
#Christian #Quotes #Mystery even for #Protestants #Jerome #Stridon whose #Bible #Translation the #Vulgate #God used to #Convert the #Western #World for #1000 #years as the #onlyone .

Neither did St. Augustine of Hippo believed in “secret” coming of Christ. Did you know? Church Fathers all believed in post-tribulation rapture only (can be inferred via quotes like this too). Present the evidence but let God Decide who is right. Also, #prophets can have #zero #prophecy #error meaning at most those sincere #Christians with wrong prophecy beliefs or teaching can be at most #teachers as per the #ministry #Bible #Verses in the New Testament.

Does best Christian Music itself prove right theology? No, here’s a sample evidence. Why am I writing this? [Showing “reason” is NOT linked to “feeling”]

Some Christians think that just because a worship song is nice it must be from a person with right theology. Generally Roman Catholics consider Protestants as “unsaved” and vice versa. So here I try to show using CHRISTMAS SONGS (which are MOST ANGELIC WORSHIP even for both CATHOLICS & PROTESTANT CHRISTIANS) but yet MOST SING SONGS from BOTH TYPE of BELIEVERS here even though their “official denomination” position denounces the other as “unsaved”, right?

Christmas Songs by Catholics/Orthodox – did God Inspire these Songs through them?

“… Four verses and the tune of ‘Adeste Fideles’ (‘Come all ye faithful’) come from an eighteenth-century Roman Catholic layman, John Francis Wade. ‘Silent night, holy night’ was the work of two Austrian Catholics, the priest and organist of a country church. …”

Source: https://blog.oup.com/2014/12/christmas-catholicism-vsi/

Christmas Songs by Protestants – did God Inspire these Songs through them?

“… The text of ‘Hark the herald angels sing’ was written by Charles Wesley. Its widely used melody is taken from Felix Mendelssohn, who was born into a Jewish family and brought up a Lutheran. We owe ‘Away in a manger’ to a nineteenth-century children’s book used by American Lutherans. …”

Source: https://blog.oup.com/2014/12/christmas-catholicism-vsi/

Christmas Songs by those identifying NEITHER as Catholics/Orthodox NOR Protestants or MIXED – did God Inspire these Songs through them?

“… Isaac Watts, a non-conformist, composed the words of ‘Joy to the world’. An Episcopalian bishop, Phillips Brooks, wrote ‘O little town of Bethlehem’, and the tune we normally hear accompanying this comes from Ralph Vaughan Williams [who is an atheist/agnostic]. …”

Source: https://blog.oup.com/2014/12/christmas-catholicism-vsi/

Conclusion

So no point discriminating anyone from MUSIC MINISTRY in any denomination saying ‘we won’t allow you to play unless you oath yourself to our belief or equivalent’ like I faced in a Church which I have left more than 10 years now after serving in music ministry there for about 13 years. I am more of a protestant with a heavy CHILIASM leaning based on earliest Church Fathers’ writings and my style is to present the evidence & let the verdict belong to God (honesty).

Peace to you

Third Great Latin Doctor of the Church – St. Augustine of Hippo did NOT see any contradiction to CHRIST’s WORK on the CROSS regarding someone saved in the “Spirit World AFTER Judgment” – did you know?

*Third as in order of time he existed (“earliest”). St. Augustine impacted most of Christianity (be it catholic, protestant or orthodox) in that his writings influenced the founders and major saints who came after him. Numbers don’t necessarily prove accuracy of doctrine as even the history of Israel with its priests and prophets prove that even in Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ’s time, CHRIST even remarked famously as follows toward PRIESTS: “… Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? …” (John 3:10, NKJV) and GOD is NOT authour of CONFUSION (1 Corinthians 14:33) must be viewed even in light of St. Augustine’s quotes here CONTRADICTING St. Jerome and St. Ambrose of Milan shown in earlier slides.

Can you SEE it? So we can view the SCOPE of NON-ELECT SALVATION to be limited to “PROSPERITY CHRISTIANS” (St. Augustine’s quote here) versus WIDER SCOPE to INCLUDE NON-CHRISTIANS or even SOME HERETICS (St. Jerome’s quotes in slides 91 – 92 or St. Ambrose of Milan’s quotes in slides 89 – 90 or slides 114 to 118) as a POSSIBILITY (not doctrine) due to such CONTRADICTIONS but we need to present the EVIDENCE HONESTLY (“both sides”) and let GOD DECIDE the VERDICT.

#NONELECTSALVATION #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by #DoctoroftheChurch and #EARLIEST #CHURCH #HISTORY & #ChurchFather from #Orthodox #Catholic #Non #Elect #Salvation #Possibility not #Doctrine . #Purgatory for #Prosperity #Gospel #Christian #Quotes #Mystery even for #Protestants #Augustine #Jerome #Ambrose .

Fourth/Last Great Latin Doctor of the Church – St. Gregory the Great whom even Blessed John Calvin (Founder of Reformed Churches & Calvinism for Protestantism) called him the “last good pope” – did you know?

*Fourth/Last as in order of time he existed (“earliest”). The LATIN Church only had FOUR “Great” Doctors due to their writings influencing all of LATIN CHRISTIANITY the MOST converting all of them in one way or the other. St. Gregory the Great is last and though he did NOT write about non-elect salvation, he personally seems to have experienced a situation (if true) regarding NON-ELECT Salvation class type for “pagan emperor Trajan” as EAST and WEST bear witness in their records. Apparently GOD told him NOT to ask for such salvation maybe because as REVELATION 22:17 we see the BRIDE (Church) asking the same for some “thirsty” for NON-ELECT SALVATION but only for future time after judgment and not now? Difficult so again I present the evidence and possible explanations but GOD DECIDES the VERDICT.

#NONELECTSALVATION #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by and #EARLIEST #CHURCH #HISTORY & #ChurchFather from #Orthodox #Catholic #Non #Elect #Salvation #Possibility not #Doctrine . #Purgatory for #Trajan #Pagan #Unbeliever #Christian #Quotes #Mystery even for #Protestants #Augustine #Jerome #Ambrose #Gregory as the #only four #Great #Latin #DoctoroftheChurch .

Third Great Greek Doctor of the Church – St. Basil the Great wrote about possible NON Elect Salvation for those IMPRISONED in HADES/SHEOL now – did you know?

*Third as in order of time he existed (“earliest”). The GREEK Church only had FOUR “Great” Doctors due to their writings influencing all of ORTHODOX CHRISTIANITY the MOST converting all of them in one way or the other. St. Basil the Great seems to write for some possible NON-ELECT SALVATION after judgment in HADES/SHEOL for some in “PRISON”? Those in “PRISON and have NO CROWNS” sounds more like “non-Christians” and he could be just repeating something he had learnt from the Church Fathers along his spiritual lineage before him in succession too. Difficult so again I present the evidence and possible explanations but GOD DECIDES the VERDICT.

#NONELECTSALVATION #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by and #EARLIEST #CHURCH #HISTORY & #ChurchFather from #Orthodox #Catholic #Non #Elect #Salvation #Possibility not #Doctrine . #Purgatory for #Trajan #Pagan #Unbeliever #Christian #Quotes #Mystery even for #Protestants #Athanasius #Gregory #Nazianzus #Basil #Chrysosthom as the #only four #Great #Greek #DoctoroftheChurch .

Fourth/Last Great Greek Doctor of the Church – St. John Chrysosthom wrote about possible NON Elect Salvation for those in “Purgatory” or equivalent now – did you know?

*Fourth/Last as in order of time he existed (“earliest”). The GREEK Church only had FOUR “Great” Doctors due to their writings influencing all of ORTHODOX CHRISTIANITY the MOST converting all of them in one way or the other. St. John Chrysosthom seems to write for some possible NON-ELECT SALVATION after judgment in HADES/SHEOL for some in “PRISON”? These are standard quotes used even by Roman Catholics to try prove their version of purgatory. Difficult so again I present the evidence and possible explanations but GOD DECIDES the VERDICT.

#NONELECTSALVATION #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by and #EARLIEST #CHURCH #HISTORY & #ChurchFather from #Orthodox #Catholic #Elect #Salvation #Possibility not #Doctrine . #Purgatory for #Pagan #Unbeliever #Christian #Quotes #Mystery even for #Protestants #Athanasius #Gregory #Nazianzus #Basil #Chrysosthom as the #only four #Great #Greek #DoctoroftheChurch .

Protestant – C.S. Lewis wrote about possible NON Elect Salvation for those in “Purgatory” or equivalent now – did you know?

C.S. Lewis the authour of the famous “Chronicles of Narnia” movie and whose “Christian writings” have encouraged an entire generation of “missionaries/pastors etc.” seems to write for some possible NON-ELECT SALVATION after judgment in HADES/SHEOL for some in “PRISON”? C. S. Lewis implies that “Purgatory is true” according to some “reformers” as well but the “details” can differ & I present with Church Father quotes which he may NOT have had access to in other slides. Difficult so again I present the evidence and possible explanations but GOD DECIDES the VERDICT.

#NONELECTSALVATION #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by and #EARLIEST #CHURCH #HISTORY & #ChurchFather from #Orthodox #Catholic #Elect #Salvation #Possibility not #Doctrine . #Purgatory by #CSLEWIS #NARNIA #Unbeliever #Christian #Quotes #Mystery even for #Protestants #Athanasius #Gregory #Nazianzus #Basil #Chrysosthom as the #only four #Great #Greek #DoctoroftheChurch .

CHILIASM Church Father – St. Melito of Sardis wrote about SHADOW of DEATH to refer to JUDGMENT regions of SHEOL/HADES which in turn can imply possible NON Elect Salvation for those in “Purgatory” or equivalent now as per BIBLE* verses quoted in Slide 98 – did you know?

*Why St. Melito of Sardis’ is important? Example quote:

“… Melito may have been the immediate successor of the “angel” (or “apostle”) of the church of Sardis , to whom our Great High Priest addressed one of the apocalyptic messages [referring to Revelation 3:1 – can you “see” it?]. He was an “Apostolic Father” in point of fact; he very probably knew the blessed Polycarp and his disciple Irenaeus. …”

Source: https://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/melito.html

*Example “Sola Scriptura” argument for SHADOW of DEATH part: GOD Himself Reveals to Job that the phrase “SHADOW of DEATH” in Holy Scripture can be a “HIDDEN” way to refer to the PUNISHMENT regions of SHEOL/HEBREW in Job 38:17 but in Psalms 107:14 we seem to see a “possible prophecy” which seem to REVEAL Most Blessed LORD JESUS CHRIST Saving these DISOBEDIENT ones in SPIRIT WORLD PRISON as even 1 Peter 3:19 could be referring to such ones too (who spurned & rejected his words, counsel, etc. whose CONTEXT can be seen with Psalm 107:11 – 13 prior) and 1 Peter 4:6 can mean this is continuing till today (with Shepherd of Hermas and other Church Father quotes). I am NOT saying that this must be it but as long as it’s POSSIBLE like this, we must present the EVIDENCE HONESTLY and LET GOD DECIDE the VERDICT, right? ESV is generally considered by Bible scholars as “best translation” as well in English, just saying as the Verse does NOT depend on that.

Difficult so again I present the evidence and possible explanations but GOD DECIDES the VERDICT.

#NONELECTSALVATION #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by and #EARLIEST #CHURCH #HISTORY & #ChurchFather from #Orthodox #Catholic #Elect #Salvation #Possibility not #Doctrine . #Purgatory for #Pagan #Melito #Unbeliever #Christian #Quotes #Mystery even for #Protestants #Athanasius #Gregory #Nazianzus #Basil #Chrysosthom as the #only four #Great #Greek #DoctoroftheChurch .

Other Major Church Father especially of the DOCTOR of the CHURCH type before 700 AD Quotes regarding NON-ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY and ITS CLASSES [From Page 1836 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]

Example quote:

“… BILLIONS of CHRISTIANS for the last 2000 years but only 37 DOCTORS of the CHURCH in total. Now, out of that only about 18 lived within the first 700 years of CHRISTIANITY. Now 14 of these DOCTORS of the CHURCH for the FIRST 700 years of CHRISTIANITY seem to have some type of POSSIBLE NON ELECT SALVATION Quote (except that the term is not coined). …”

*In some the non-elect salvation quote may “not” be strong but it is there proving such an idea of being saved in “Spirit World Context or its classes of Salvation” was always there, right? Or did all these 14 out of 18 Doctors of the Church in first 700 AD (so FIRST CHRISTIANITY) were in error?

Update: FYI, as of 20 Dec 2023 total slides is 144 currently.

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Abundant Life Mystery – FRUIT is linked to “GRATITUDE” while GUILT is our SINS while GRACE is GOD’s FREE GIFT of SALVATION

What did CHRIST Teach about “FOLLOWING HIM”?

The Gratitude part produces the three harvest fruits of the Gospel be it thirtyfold, sixtyfold or hundredfold 💯 level of renunciation as MOST BLESSED LORD JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF TAUGHT as follows in Matthew 19:29 to DO ONE OR MORE OF THESE THINGS including the CHARITY DOCTRINE PERFECTION of GIVING away ONE’s POSSESSIONS (not donations from other people’s money only) in Matthew 19:21 such as MONEY, SKILLS, PROPERTY in one way or the other such as SHARING (Acts 4:32, Acts 2:44) where in modern times can be done via a WILL too. More details say in

[From Page 606 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]
[From Page 316 onward of the #LastBook]
[From Page 892 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]

The “Abundant Life” definition CHRIST Taught has NOTHING to do with EARTHLY PROSPERITY GOSPEL as Luke 12:15 reveals and Luke 12:21 with Luke 12:33 – 34 (same chapter, topic) reveals that “hoarding for self prosperity draws a person away from God” but if hoarded for a WILL at end of life to give some for the POOR is okay. Compare these Verses in image (LISTEN to CHRIST, Matthew 17:5). Peace to you

Question 1

how could you be good at olyympiad questions? how much does it take from you?

Reply 1

I am not “good” at it. There are much better ones. I just do what I can by God’s Grace and what’s beyond me I don’t force myself into it. I just try to enjoy the math as I attempt to solve.

Question 2

Math Olympiad now Biblical platform.

Reply 2

I will share the Bible on my page be it even on my personal profile or even Math Page because that’s most important to me to share what I believe and also what I consider as possibilities of doctrine so that the viewers get to know even the Bible knowledge from my perspective which is mostly studying Chiliasm Church Fathers as well as I think there must be “earlier” Church Fathers who contemplated the same possibilities of doctrine as I do.

Secret of #Natural Human Psychology and why we need God’s Charity Doctrine #Commandment

#Secret of #understanding almost #all of #human #psychology which is #Prosperity driven is #beautifully #explained within this #quote in #image . That’s #why #God in #Lord #Jesus #Christ #commanded the #Charity #Doctrine so that we understand our #natural #evil #motives and #counter it with His #CharityDoctrine #Commands to #Cleanse #All as Luke 11:41 #Revealed.

This is a one of the Greatest Secret Directly from the Bible and Revealed by Lord Jesus Christ Himself. Peace to you

The Math of Music Holiness

Fast Fact first: The “Bible” itself records “Secular Song” by Blessed King David (who is the BEST WORSHIPPER of GOD & the only man mentioned to be AFTER God’s Heart in the Bible) to his best friend “Jonathan” which does NOT worship NOR mention God once in the Song itself meaning God ALLOWS it in Scripture!

In this “song of the Bow” we find these famous lines

“… 25“How the mighty have fallen in the midst of the battle! JONATHAN WAS SLAIN IN YOUR HIGH PLACES. 26I AM DISTRESSED FOR YOU, MY BROTHER JONATHAN; You have been very pleasant to me; YOUR LOVE TO ME WAS WONDERFUL, SURPASSING THE LOVE OF WOMEN. …” (2 Samuel 1:25 – 26, NKJV)

So we cannot make “fake holiness” by disapproving what God has allowed and allowing what God has disallowed in the Bible.

I have discussed this aspect [From Page 293 onward of the #BibleandChurchFathersQuoteBook] if keen.

This famous modern singer in 2023 is extremely popular with say 8.3 BILLION YouTube Views and yet he is willing to GIVE such a MONEY-LUCRATIVE music business for CHRIST. Daddy Yankee probably has to leave it because the SONG types which are MOST POPULAR SING with DIRTY DOUBLE SEXUAL MEANINGS and/or have SEXUAL or SEXY IMAGES or DANCING in MUSIC VIDEOS (these type songs are even done by some ARTISTS claiming to be Christians even depicting to encourage WOMENIZING, DRUGS, ALCOHOL, DIRTY DANCING, DOUBLE MEANINGS etc. which strangely are “most popular”. It shows how sick the “general society” which supports it really is, right? Let God Judge.

“… The post’s caption accompanied a video clip of Daddy Yankee sharing his plans to dedicate himself to his religion with retirement. It went on to quote lines from the Bible: “‘For what good is it for a man to gain the whole world, if he loses his life? Or how much can a man pay for his life? For the Son of Man will come in the glory of his Father and with his angels, and then he will reward each one according to what he has done.'” … Luis Fonsi, who performed with Daddy Yankee on Sunday night and famously collaborated with him on “Despacito,” their chart-topping 2017 hit, shared a message praising the mark his fellow artist has left on the industry.…”

Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/daddy-yankee-retiring-music-devote-life-christianity/

CHRISTIAN ARTISTS need to ask this question:

Does my songs PROMOTE SIN or sings about LOVE or LIFE in a secular way without contradicting any Bible Verse?

If our songs celebrate sins (in words, dirty dancing or in images), no matter how popular it is, it actually JUDGES the “christian” artist for his ETERNAL REWARDS to be lower or no reward (1 Corinthians 3:15) unless he has REPENTED and RENOUNCED such ones. Peace to you

Update: FYI, as of 11 Dec 2023 (today) I added more slides making it from 71 slides to 125 slides now.

Powerpoint Slide – Why I wrote the books? An Explanation
Powerpoint Viewer Version (sent in emails) but Posted 7 Dec 2023

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1C3FZh5AFL2aNDy9s7TA0TphwmF7dBbpP/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103161103828141436650&rtpof=true&sd=true

*Any error is mine and if anything turned out accurate it’s by God’s Grace only.
Peace to you and Thank you

[Text] Hypocrites say All religion same.

One of the biggest hypocrites are those who often say

“… I don’t believe in converting anyone into my religion; for me all religion is same & I believe in family …”.

And here’s some example proof why:

1) When a person in a family converts say into Christianity, these immediately “cut off all ties” with that person because he is a Christian because before “knowing of that conversion” they were in “contact” with him. This “contradicts” their statement that they will ‘never keep away from family’ where this “cut-off person” was their “family” too, right? So a more “truthful” statement would be they will keep in contact with you if and only if you believe the same as them, right? True Christians must thus talk/keep in contact with non-Christian family members and NOT play these same LOW-IQ games; obvious, right?

2) When a person of a certain skill is encountered, they give work so they can make money too. But after knowing that person’s Christian beliefs, they realize that it does “not” agree with “their religion” or that it does “not” glorify their “own race”, so they “stop” giving work. This “contradicts” their statement that they said ‘all religion is same’. Because if so, they would “not” mind a person converting into Christianity or anything else since they said all is same, right? This again is another lie. True Christians do “not” make such “false” claims just to please men. We know that our religion is NOT the same as others.

We respect other religions by NOT commenting on it as Bible instructed (in 1 Corinthians 5:9 – 13 as obedience is better than sacrifice [From Page 274 onward of the #LastBook]). If someone claiming to be Christian does the opposite, it’s NOT the same as us just like if a person from your religion does wrong, we don’t judge all of them wrong, right? So each is only judged for their “own actions/words”, fair, right? Peace to you

The Math of Honesty with Sola Scriptura even

Example “Sola Scriptura” argument for SHADOW of DEATH part: GOD Himself Reveals to Job that the phrase “SHADOW of DEATH” in Holy Scripture can be a “HIDDEN” way to refer to the PUNISHMENT regions of SHEOL/HEBREW in Job 38:17 but in Psalms 107:14 we seem to see a “possible prophecy” which seem to REVEAL Most Blessed LORD JESUS CHRIST Saving these DISOBEDIENT ones in SPIRIT WORLD PRISON as even 1 Peter 3:19 could be referring to such ones too (who spurned & rejected his words, counsel, etc. whose CONTEXT can be seen with Psalm 107:11 – 13 prior) and 1 Peter 4:6 can mean this is continuing till today (with Shepherd of Hermas and other Church Father quotes). I am NOT saying that this must be it but as long as it’s POSSIBLE like this, we must present the EVIDENCE HONESTLY and LET GOD DECIDE the VERDICT, right? ESV is generally considered by Bible scholars as “best translation” as well in English, just saying as the Verse does NOT depend on that. Peace to you

Update: FYI, as of 19 Dec 2023 total slides is 140 currently.

#NONELECTSALVATION #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by and #EARLIEST #CHURCH #HISTORY & #ChurchFather from #Orthodox #Catholic #Non #Elect #Salvation #Possibility not #Doctrine . #Purgatory for #Pagan #Unbeliever #Christian #Quotes #Mystery even for #Protestants why #Great #Greek or #Latin #DoctoroftheChurch seem to speak this.

Can “not” sure be the most honest position? In difficult topics such as NON-Elect Salvation but only after presenting “both sides”? Yes; Example here with Book of 1Enoch which in Slide 88 has Possible NON Elect Salvation quotes from the “Book of Parables” part

Problem (rephrased)

The “Dead Sea Scrolls” or “Qumran” cave discovery does “not” have the “Book of Parables” section among the “Book of 1Enoch” sections found (so far) but the “Ethiopic Book of 1Enoch” version has this Book of Parables part.

Possible Reason 1

Also please don’t forget these facts: Firstly, three of Old Testament Scripture were NOT found either at Qumran (at least Esther is 100% not found while the other two depends on which Scriptural definition or tradition in regard to naming the Qumran scribes believed in – either way it’s unproven and remains a theological gymnastic only too).

Source: https://www.logos.com/grow/hall-dead-sea-scrolls/

Possible Reason 2

And NOT all the Deuterocanonicals or Apocrypha were found either at Qumran even though Roman Catholic and Orthodox Bibles have them as Scripture until the Reformation (meaning entire Christianity saw them as “full” Scripture and for more than 1000 years from 6th to 16th Century as the period prior is always debated and stories are made due to lack of documentation).

Source: https://www.logos.com/grow/hall-dead-sea-scrolls/

Possible Reason 3

Another theory is that “Book of Parables” part of “Book of 1Enoch” does NOT deal with “Israelite-ethnicity-focus” but reveals “Parables” with “Prophecy” generally regarding CHRIST or “Son of Man” even toward “Gentiles” & remember that the section I quoted in Slide 88 parallels very similar in wording even to Revelation 20:11 to 15 but has additional details which can be seen in say [From Page 350 & 351 onward of the #LastBook] meaning “Book of Parables” has a “possibility” to be true.

Source:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/291838442_The_Parables_of_Enoch_and_the_manuscripts_from_Qumran

Only God Knows which is Real or not. Peace to you

#NONELECTSALVATION #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by and #EARLIEST #CHURCH #HISTORY & #ChurchFather from #Orthodox #Catholic #Elect #Salvation #Possibility not #Doctrine . #Purgatory for #Pagan #Unbeliever #Christian #Quotes #Bookof1Enoch #BookofParables

#Enoch #Mystery even for #Protestants in support of #Athanasius #Gregory #Nazianzus #Basil #Chrysosthom as the #only four #Great #Greek & #Ambrose #Jerome #Augustine #GregorytheGreat Great #Latin #DoctoroftheChurch .

The Math of False Teachers and False Prophets – GOD cannot use say Martin Luther (First Protestant) to ERR on TOPICS which can LEAD one to ETERNAL HELL, right? Example quote here why “NON ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY from SLIDE 105″ is within what the FIRST SPIRIT LED CHRISTIAN Blessed Martin Luther (First Protestant and Founder of Lutheran Churches” has ALLOWED to CONTEMPLATE as a POSSIBILITY (NOT Doctrine) since he says that NONE can PROVE it (but we attempt it because he did NOT have access the CHURCH FATHERS especially 14 out of 18 DOCTORS of the CHURCH type saying some quotes in that direction as proven in previous slides, can you SEE it?) This means contemplating NON ELECT SALVATION like this NEVER makes any Christian a FALSE TEACHER NOR a FALSE PROPHET if held as a POSSIBILITY only and NOT doctrine being HONEST in light of EVIDENCE but yet NOT 100% sure since no one knows how accurate these quotes are preserved EXCEPT GOD as per his own quote here too in image.

“… 9then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment, 10and especially those who walk according to the flesh in the lust of uncleanness and despise authority. They are presumptuous, self-willed. They are not afraid to speak evil of [c]dignitaries, 11whereas angels, who are greater in power and might, do not bring a reviling accusation against them before the Lord. …” (2 Peter 2:9 – 11, NKJV)

Also a person who is “SELF WILLED” would NOT be quoting 14 out of 18 Doctors of the Church before 700 AD say for NON ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY based on any SPIRIT WORLD TYPE OF SALVATION by CHRIST NOR will such a person quote say especially MARTIN LUTHER (Slide 105, First Protestant & Founder of Lutheran Churches) and JOHN WESLEY [in Slide 108, Major Protestant & main Founder of the Methodist Churches] (where before 700 AD is a comfortable timeline as FIRST CHRISTIANITY even for “Protestants like me” because the errors such as Praying to Virgin Mary/Angels/Saints etc. hasn’t fully overpowered the Church making the “later” doctors etc. to be “unreliable” – can you “SEE” it?). Even if NON ELECT SALVATION FOR SOME turns out as an error (not proven but must be considered as a “honest” possibility too), with all these BIGGEST NAMES of CHRISTIANITY quoted, we CANNOT be CONDEMNED as we were HONEST with CHURCH HISTORY QUOTES of “OTHERS” and “NOT SELF-WILLED” – Can you really “see” it?

In the CONTEXT of FINAL PROPHECY (“Future”), it’s okay to NOT understand as even Blessed Prophet Daniel revealed that in Daniel 12:8 despite being one of the greatest prophets of God to walk the earth. However, Let God Decide who more accurate doctrinally and reward that and have Mercy on our errors especially if we admit we are not 100% sure based on orthodox Christian quotes and evidence (not heretics) and did not take His Name in Vain (Exodus 20:7’s 3rd Commandment) nor told falsely “God told me so” which risks “everlasting reproach” (Jeremiah 23:38 – 40) or even wrongly quote “the Holy Spirit told me so” which is “unforgiven” (Matthew 12:30 – 32) – can you see the real dangers/risks as done in Prosperity Gospel here?

Someone said, “… If God wanted it in His Word, He would have put it there in regard to certain books in the Bible …”

My Reply below

If so, please explain why these

1) The “First Bible” (Roman Canon or Muratorian Canon) had both Shepherd of Hermas and Apocalypse of Peter in it where both has NON ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY Quotes but are not in the “Bible today”. Apocalypse of Peter (quotes in Pages 1898 to 1904 or even Pages 1946 to 1966 of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook)

2) The Deuterocanonical are Full Scripture in all Catholic and Orthodox Churches (even councils) at least for 1000 years (6th century to 16th century). So why would GOD ALLOW that (if error) and remove it from the Protestant Reformation timeline onward?

3) Book of Esther was NOT in the Bible canon even in St. Athanasius the Great’s (Champion of Trinity) famous Festal Letter where he specifically mentions Book of “Esther” to be classified the “same level” as “Shepherd of Hermas or Tobit” even as accepted but NOT in Bible Canon. Can you see it? [example proof quote for this is in Page 229 onward of the #DoctrineBook].

Note:

i) Shepherd of Hermas has NON ELECT SALVATION quotes even for those rejecting the Gospel TYPE (From Page 155 or 156 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]

ii) Tobit has CHARITY DOCTRINE quote linked to ETERNAL LIFE CONTEXT which is probably quoted by Blessed St. POLYCARP disciple of the Blessed Apostle St. John himself [please see Page 379 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]

Conclusion

Whether one is Catholic/Orthodox/Protestant Christian, it shows that the “later” guys did CHANGE the earlier POSITION in regard to which books needs to be in the Bible. If you want to say later guys were more accurate, then praying to Virgin Mary/Saints/Angels is the MOST DOMINANT CHRISTIANITY even till today! (including the 1000 years 6th century to 16th century with NO sola scriptura type since most can’t read & the Guttenberg printing press hasn’t been discovered yet till after 16th century – can you “SEE” what GOD ALLOWED?). So if GOD CAN ALLOW ERROR, it shows HE ALLOWS HUMAN FREE WILL (with constraint) example here with quotes preserved which point to a DIFFERENT FIRST CHRISTIANITY especially even of CHILIASM PROPHECY TIMELINE context as I have shown in my books , right? So the MOST HONEST POSITION is to Guard one’s tongue, present the EVIDENCE with source etc. (no empty claims) and let GOD DECIDE the VERDICT. Peace to you

Father of Pentecostal Christianity – Mr. Charles Parham himself did NOT believe in “eternal hell” through whom the “first speaking in tongues gift was given through him” (if their claims are true) and other interesting thoughts (more details in those pages as the powerpoint only highlights some).

#Charles #Parham #Father of #Pentecostal #Charismatic movement and #First #Speaking in #tongues #gift in #modern times (#if #true) did #not believe in #EternalHell but #Annihilation . #Why would #God NOT #correct him to #believe in #Eternal #Hell if that was #truth if #believing in that #affects #Salvation? .

The Mysterious Conversion of Blessed John Wesley main Founder of the Methodist Churches via a believer in some type of NON ELECT SALVATION namely Mr. Peter Boehler who was his spiritual parent in the Aldesrgate experience

#JohnWesley main #Founder of #Methodist #Arminian #Protestant #Churches #life #experience and #conversion to the #faith just like #Saint #Augustine of #Hippo before him seems to be done via #GOD using a #universalist and/or #NONELECTSALVATION #believer from the #Moravian #Church #Peter #Boehler as his #Spiritual #Parent via the #Aldersgate experience.

Saint Augustine of Hippo himself casually talks about even NON ELECT SALVATION believers and those of possibly universalism too as NOT DENYING HOLY SCRIPTURE meaning he considers them as CHRISTIANS and SAVED too

The Math of Honesty going only as far as GOD allowed MARTIN LUTHER to CONTEMPLATE NON ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY – Sample image from Slide 112 of Powerpoint – Father of the Reformation – Blessed Martin Luther the First Protestant & FOUNDER of the LUTHERAN CHURCHES NEVER called considering NON-ELECT SALVATION THOUGHT as FROM THE DEVIL but said NOBODY CAN PROVE IT (i.e. FAITH attained via believing after seeing at DEATH or AFTER DEATH) but HE DID NOT have ACCESS to DOCTORS of the CHURCH Writings as we do today and also views UNIVERSALISM as IMPOSSIBLE. Quote is [From Page 791 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]

Recap: If God has ALLOWED 2 Esdras which is SCRIPTURE for EVERY CATHOLIC & ORTHODOX till TODAY even and at least for 1000 years in every council too from 6^th century to 16^th century where in PROTESTANT Reformation the KJV Bible moved it as “Apocrypha which means hidden” and Martin Luther First Protestant considers it as “good” but NOT equal to Scripture in Page 1676 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook – So Protestants must admit that GOD ALLOWS errors NOT just in DOCTRINE but even for WHICH BOOK belong to the BIBLE for 1000 years or more? See the problem though possible? So how much more any other doctrine which is believed can be false too since GOD can allow that too, right? For JEWS, they take it as per “their own Verses” in 2 Esdras 14:45–46 RSV; 4 Ezra 12:45–46 as discussed in earlier slides here even], then similarly the idea of say SHEPHERD of HERMAS & Apocalypse of Peter (both APPROVED by FIRST BIBLE CANON called ROMAN CANON or MURATORIAN CANON) contains NON ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY but KEPT SECRET by GOD seems POSSIBLE , right? (please see earlier slides 84 for Shepherd of Hermas & Slide 131 for Apocalypse of Peter & more for page numbers, to see more discussion & details, too much to put here). Again this is to PRESENT EVIDENCE HONESTLY but NOT Doctrine since not sure so let GOD ALONE DECIDE VERDICT.

[From Pages 1898 or 1951 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]

“… the APOCALYPSES also of John and PETER only do WE RECEIVE, though some amongst us will NOT HAVE THIS LATTER READ* in the CHURCH.” …” – Muratorian Cannon regarding the “Apocalypse of Peter” part

“… But HERMAS WROTE THE SHEPHERD “MOST RECENTLY IN OUR TIME “, in the city of Rome, while bishop Pius, his brother, was occupying the chair of the church of the city of Rome. And therefore it ought indeed to be read; but IT CANNOT BE READ PUBLICLY TO THE PEOPLE IN CHURCH either among the Prophets, whose number is complete, or among the Apostles, for it is after their time. …” – Muratorian Canon (Roman Canon, the Oldest Bible Known in Christianity quoting the ‘Shepherd of Hermas’ or the “Shepherd” highlight)

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muratorian_fragment

#NONELECTSALVATION #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by #Scripture in #First #Christianity #Oldest #First #Bible #Canon #Muratorian or #Roman Canon #Catholic with #Shepherd of #Hermas too #Possibility and #not #Doctrine #present #Evidence let #GOD #decide #Verdict #Honesty is #Best #Policy .
Peace to you

POSSIBLE one of 70 Secret Books to the WISE mentioned in 2 Esdras 14:45–46 RSV; 4 Ezra 12:45–46 containing NON ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY – Isn’t it strange that one has name “ENOCH” while the other has name “ELIJAH” which also are usual assumption for FINAL TWO WITNESS before the COMING of CHRIST? (Rev 11:4)

[From Page 1894 and 1888 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]

1) Enoch

This same ‘Book of Parables’ gives a “Believing after Seeing possibility” toward “some sinners” with a ‘Salvation with no honour’ type (and so can’t be a ‘Christian Salvation’ at all and so must be a NON ELECT SALVATION TYPE IF TRUE as please also notice the word ‘holy & elect’ in Verse 1 below in comparison which refers to Christians), to quote:

“… 1 And in those days a change shall take place for the holy and elect, And the light of days shall abide upon them, And glory and honour shall turn to the holy, 2 ON THE DAY OF AFFLICTION on which evil shall have been treasured up against the sinners. And the righteous shall be victorious in the name of the Lord of Spirits: And HE WILL CAUSE THE OTHERS TO WITNESS (this) THAT THEY MAY REPENT And FORGO THE WORKS OF THEIR HANDS. 3 They shall have NO HONOUR through the name of the Lord of Spirits, YET THROUGH HIS NAME SHALL THEY BE SAVED [Joel 2:32, Romans 10:13, Matthew 12:21], And THE LORD OF SPIRITS WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON THEM, For His compassion is great. 4 And He is righteous also in His judgement, And in the presence of His glory unrighteousness also shall not maintain itself: At HIS JUDGEMENT THE UNREPENTANT SHALL PERISH before Him. 5 And FROM HENCEFORTH I will have NO MERCY on them, saith the Lord of Spirits. …” (Book of 1Enoch, Chapter 50)

Source (via Protestant Historian Mr. Philip Schaff again):

https://www.ccel.org/c/charles/otpseudepig/enoch/ENOCH_2.HTM

2) Elijah

Another Possible Candidate for the 70 Hidden Books which 2 Esdras 14:44 – 48 points could be the Apocalypse of Elijah too as POSSIBLE SCRIPTURE with a NON-ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY

“ … 27.Those who belong to the righteous and … will see the sinners and those who persecuted them and those who handed them over to death in their torments.. Then the sinners [ in torment ] will see the place of the righteous. And thus GRACE WILL OCCUR. In THOSE DAYS, that which the RIGHTEOUS will ASK for MANY TIMES WILL BE GIVEN to them. …” – Apocalypse of Elijah (Veses 27 – 29)

Source:

http://www.3-in-1.net/Pseudepigrapha/Apocalypse%20of%20Elijah/The%20Apocalypse%20of%20Elijah.htm

Some Christians ask: How can Salvation from the Lake of Fire be “Fair or Justice” if it is “not” Eternal? GOD lets YOU (CHRISTIAN) Decide.

So, there is NO FORCING of FORGIVENESS required and so as a CHRISTIAN if you see SOMEONE in HELL who have HURT YOU or TORTURED YOU in SOME WAY or DID EVIL to you or even KILLED YOU, you can decide whether to FORGIVE THEM from ETERNAL HELL or not BY PRAYER to GOD AT THAT TIME (if this Prophecy Writing is True) in principle of the Verse below:

“… 21So JESUS SAID to them again, “Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” 22And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23IF YOU FORGIVE THE SINS OF ANY, THEY ARE FORGIVEN THEM; IF YOU RETAIN THE SINS OF ANY, THEY ARE RETAINED.” …” (John 20:21 – 23, NKJV)

#NONELECTSALVATION #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by #Scripture in #First #Christianity #strange that two #final #Witness #Enoch and #Elijah books have this #Possibility and #not #Doctrine #present #Evidence let #GOD #decide #Verdict #Honesty is #Best #Policy .
Peace to you

Special Focus: The Math of Impressing God – Image is Slide 157 from link below. Update: FYI, as of 23 Dec 2023 total slides is 160 currently.

Final Math of Scripture – Is there “Possible” Scripture condemning “Non Elect Salvation or Universalism Believers” to “Eternal Hell”? Case in 2 Esdras of Blessed Prophet Ezra himself. [From Pages 1674 or 1887 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]. Let’s see the 2 Esdras interesting section regarding “Universalism” conversation in POSSIBLE SCRIPTURE now [From Page 1674 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]; I have discussed the usual protestant assumption taught based on “Council of Jamnia” in 1672 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook where you can read “both sides” and decide who is telling it more accurately (or can call for a debate at your local Bible School too, for iron sharpens iron, right? Plus they have PHD too)

So, to agree to the 24 (or 39) Books of the Old Testament is to take this record as True in 2
Esdras which in turn implies in its same sentence the truth of the ’70 hidden/secret books to the wise.

In 2 ESDRAS itself we find Blessed Prophet Ezra who re-created the entire “Lost” Old Testament Cannon via Divine Inspiration asking for “Universalism Hope” few times in this book itself despite being forbid to ask for it with “no” condemnation “nor” loss of rewards but surprisingly was even “ADMIRED BY THE MOST HIGH” for him to ‘plea for the wicked like this making himself lowly like that’ (humility), example Verse:

“… 47 You are a long way from loving my creation more than I do. But YOU HAVE OFTEN ASSOCIATED YOURSELF WITH THE WICKED. Never do so! 48 BUT EVEN IN THIS RESPECT THE MOST HIGH WILL ADMIRE YOU, 49 BECAUSE YOU HAVE HUMBLED YOURSELF, as befits you, and DIDN’T COUNT YOURSELF AMONG THE RIGHTEOUS so that you may be glorified the more. …” (2 Esdras 8:47 – 49, CEB)
Source: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Esdras%208&version=CEB

Most important point as to WHY we too consider NON ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY is EXPLAINED by GOD HIMSELF here in most likely SCRIPTURE of 2 ESDRAS 8:47 – 49 that such a THOUGHT is ADMIRED by GOD HIMSELF! Can you see that instead of calling it heretical or dangerous or that you can be condemned to eternal hell, GOD seems to ADMIRE it as the same NON ELECT SALVATION thought was found in BLESSED PROPHET EZRA himself here. Please see next slide for a possible “Mystery”. We live once and best is to BELIEVE to IMPRESS GOD!

#NONELECTSALVATION #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by #Scripture in #First #Jewish #Christian #Bible #Canon before #Jamnia #Esdras how #God viewed it where #aim is to #lbelieve to #Impress God and not man #Possibility and #not #Doctrine #present #Evidence let #GOD #decide #Verdict #Honesty is #Best #Policy .Peace to you

Possible Logic (the “unsure” part because we cannot say for certain whether “Apocalypse of Ezra” Armenian Version here is part of the “70 Secret Books” which could even include Book of 1Enoch too since Prophet Ezra wrote by DIVINE INSPIRATION as per 2 Esdras 14:45–46 RSV; or 4 Ezra 12:45–46 by re-naming – more details in those pages if keen, too much to write & comment in this summary – but HONESTY is to PRESENT the EVIDENCE & let GOD DECIDE the VERDICT): So after GOD disapproves “full universalism” in 2 ESDRAS 8:47 – 49 (earlier slide) this Armenian “Apocalypse of Ezra” may reveal the POSSIBILITY (not doctrine) that Revelation 22:17 (see last slide) may echo “some” to get NON ELECT SALVATION after the PRAYERS of the ELECT at that FUTURE Time, if GOD Wills it. Please compare below:

[From Page 1889 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]

What has God prepared for the righteous and sinners?

Ans. For the righteous are prepared rejoicing and light, for sinners darkness and fire.

What shall become of “us sinners”?

Ans. WHEN YOU DIE YOU WILL OBTAIN MERCY and REST IF A CHRISTIAN PRAYS OR PERFORMS SOME ACT OF DEVOTION FOR YOU.

Point 6 reveals POSSIBLE NON ELECT SALVATION and Revelation 22 is LAST CHAPTER in the BIBLE where (if this interpretation is true then SPIRIT is GOD, BRIDE is ELECT [Christians] while THIRSTY is NON-ELECT SALVATION [not Christians]):

“… And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely. …” (Revelation 22:17, NKJV)

* Peter Kirby also surveys scholars writing on the questions of Ezra: James Charlesworth writes (The Pseudepigrapha and Modern Research, pp. 117-118): The one extant Armenian manuscript of the Questions of Ezra has not been edited, but parts of it were translated into English by J. Issaverdens (UWOT. Pp. 457-61). The work is Christian, rather late, and apparently influenced by traditions recorded in 1 Enoch, 2 Enoch, the Apocalypse of Abraham, and the Apocalypse of Zosimus. Issaverdens translates six of the questions Ezra asks ‘the Angel of God’; these can be paraphrased as follows: M. E. Stone writes: “There is insufficient evidence to determine whether the writing was originally composed in Armenian or whether it wsa translated into Armenian from another language. Possible arguments based on literary considerations will be adduced in the next section. There seems no clear basis for establishing the date except to say that the writing is a Christian composition clearly based on Jewish models. There is no indication of provenace.”

Image is Slide 158 from link below. Update: FYI, as of 23 Dec 2023 total slides is 160 currently.

#NONELECTSALVATION #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by #Scripture in #First #Jewish #Christian #Armenian #Apocalypse of #Ezra from #Esdras #Possibility and #not #Doctrine #present #Evidence let #GOD #decide #Verdict #Honesty is #Best #Policy .
Peace to you

2 Esdras and NO condemnation for even “Universalism” request by Blessed Prophet Ezra to the MOST HIGH GOD even.

Someone said, “… If God wanted it in His Word, He would have put it there in regard to certain books in the Bible …”

My Reply below

If so, please explain why these

Note:

i) Shepherd of Hermas has NON ELECT SALVATION quotes even for those rejecting the Gospel TYPE (From Page 155 or 156 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]

Conclusion

Update: FYI, as of 22 Dec 2023 total slides is 152 currently.

Powerpoint Slide – Why I wrote the books? An Explanation
Powerpoint Viewer Version (sent in emails) but Posted 7 Dec 2023

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1C3FZh5AFL2aNDy9s7TA0TphwmF7dBbpP/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103161103828141436650&rtpof=true&sd=true

*Any error is mine and if anything turned out accurate it’s by God’s Grace.

#NONELECTSALVATION #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by and #EARLIEST #CHURCH #HISTORY & #ChurchFather from #Orthodox #Catholic #Elect #Salvation #Possibility not #Doctrine . #Purgatory for #Pagan #Unbeliever #Christian #Quotes #MartinLuther #Luther #ProtestantFounder allows contemplation of NON-ELECT SALVATION as DIFFERENT from UNIVERSALISM #Mystery , yes even for #Protestants in support of #Athanasius #Gregory #Nazianzus #Basil #Chrysosthom as the #only four #Great #Greek & #Ambrose #Jerome #Augustine #GregorytheGreat Great #Latin #DoctoroftheChurch .

Did you know? Almost all “Christian cults” DENY the TRINITY

Example Christian study proving this

https://prophecywatchers.com/product/cults-and-the-trinity-new-from-ken-johnson/

Example First Christianity Quote in image (by the same giant of faith who has very clear NON ELECT SALVATION quotes as shown in PowerPoint* earlier, e.g. please see slides 77 to 80).

Who was he?

Blessed St. Gregory Nazianzus, the Second Great Greek Doctor of the Church, also known as Gregory the Theologian or Gregory Nazianzen, Archbishop of Constantinople, Theologian, Doctor of the Church, Great Hierarch, Cappadocian Father, Ecumenical Teacher, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church (c. 329 AD – c. 390 AD)

#NONELECTSALVATION #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by #Scripture in #First #Christianity #Doctor of the #Church #DoctoroftheChurch #Gregory #Nanzianzus #Great #Greek #ChurchFather as #Possibility and #not #Doctrine #present #Evidence let #GOD #decide #Verdict #Honesty is #Best #Policy .

Peace to you

The Math of Orthodoxy with St. Athanasius the Great – his approval of Shepherd of Hermas which has NON ELECT SALVATION quote with his own HADES quote etc. I have shown in slides 87, 84 and 136 can be interesting too from *Powerpoint.

Who was he?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athanasius_of_Alexandria

Blessed St. Athanasius the Great, the First Great Greek Doctor of the Church, the Father of Orthodoxy, Patriarch of Alexandria and Champion of Trinity and Confessor, Coptic Pope, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church (c. 296 AD – c. 373 AD) whom God Used to bring the Doctrine of Trinity Back to Life in Christianity via his famous book titled ‘On the Incarnation’ where this short, dark-skinned Egyptian bishop had plenty of enemies and was exiled five times by four Roman emperors, spending 17 of the 45 years he served as bishop of Alexandria in exile too all for LORD JESUS CHRIST. Now, what a Faith for Christ!,

*Powerpoint Link: Why I wrote the books? An Explanation Powerpoint Viewer Version (sent in emails) but Posted 7 Dec 2023
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1C3FZh5AFL2aNDy9s7TA0TphwmF7dBbpP/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103161103828141436650&rtpof=true&sd=true

*Any error is mine and if anything turned out accurate it’s by God’s Grace.

The Doctrine of TRINITY was HIDDEN by GOD Himself. Please see samples of evidences in FB post COMMENT part in link below:

https://www.facebook.com/jonathan.ramachandran/posts/pfbid024XPbw2aDywrV7FREDYixXZtR9wnLZgmtaQw4ZYjZ7apZRWvN62jxFN2p5CXcWD7Nl

#NONELECTSALVATION #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by #Scripture in #First #Christianity #Doctor of the #Church #DoctoroftheChurch #Athanasius the #Great #Greek #ChurchFather as #Possibility and #not #Doctrine #present #Evidence let #GOD #decide #Verdict #Honesty is #Best #Policy with #Trinity #Doctrine #Champion and Father of #Orthodoxy .

Peace to you

Example Explanation of “Non-Elect Salvation” Possibility is as follows:

Saved but not part of the Elect. I think as follows:

1) Elect Salvation (“Heaven”, Christ’s Bride = Christians, overcomers)

2) Non-Elect Salvation (“Final New Earth”, nations that are saved or the thirsty. )

Example Verses in image.

Note: I don’t think ‘all of mankind will be elect or even all saved’ because if so because some seem to be in the Lake of Fire while not all of the nations who are saved mentioned in Revelation 21 seem to “enter heaven” even as there is a “gate” filtering it though they may be on that “Final new earth” only as I have detailed in my free pdfs (can do control + F to find verses or keywords to read more of this “possibility not doctrine” as no one can be 100% sure yet of this future prophecy & which is the right interpretation and so though I present the “evidence”, I guard my tongue and let GOD Alone Decide the Verdict).

*Any error is mine and if anything turned out accurate it’s by God’s Grace.

#NONELECTSALVATION #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by #Scripture in #First #Christianity #Doctor of the #Church #DoctoroftheChurch #ChurchFather as #Possibility and #not #Doctrine #present #Evidence let #GOD #decide #Verdict #Honesty is #Best #Policy .

Peace to you

Image is slide 161 in *Powerpoint. Evidence Style and Context: I look at 1 Corinthians 4:15 as a PROPHECY for CHURCH FATHERS and if DOCTOR of the CHURCH as BEST (especially before 700 AD, reliable for all Christianity including Protestants like me), I think that’s the most honest position. When reading the “evidences” presented in this Powerpoint, please remember that it “all exists” whether I wrote about them or not (independent of me being a great sinner even) – can you “see” it? Link:

*Powerpoint Link: Why I wrote the books? An Explanation Powerpoint Viewer Version (sent in emails) but Posted 7 Dec 2023

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1C3FZh5AFL2aNDy9s7TA0TphwmF7dBbpP/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103161103828141436650&rtpof=true&sd=true

*Any error is mine and if anything turned out accurate it’s by God’s Grace.

#NONELECTSALVATION #PROPHECY #CONTEXT by #Scripture in #First #Christianity #Doctor of the #Church #DoctoroftheChurch #ChurchFathers as #Possibility and #not #Doctrine #present #Evidence let #GOD #decide #Verdict #Honesty is #Best #Policy #Champion of #Orthodoxy and #ChurchHistory.

Peace to you

Both these “#same #quotes” (in image) on which the “#Doctrine of #Trinity” #GOD allowed St. #Athanasius to #defend and bring back into #CHRISTIANITY #AGAINST the #ARIANS in his most famous book “ON the #INCARNATION” is what I have quoted in #Slide 87 of the #Powerpoint as well (i.e. NOT from an obscure or rare source).

*Powerpoint Link: Why I wrote the books? An Explanation Powerpoint Viewer Version (sent in emails) but Posted 7 Dec 2023

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1C3FZh5AFL2aNDy9s7TA0TphwmF7dBbpP/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103161103828141436650&rtpof=true&sd=true

*Any error is mine and if anything turned out accurate it’s by God’s Grace.

Image is slide 164 in *Powerpoint. St. Athanasius’ “Catholic” definition included NOT number of converts but same beliefs as himself, right? his famous quote in image. This “#same #quote” (in image) on which the “#Doctrine of #Trinity” #GOD allowed St. #Athanasius to #defend and bring back into #CHRISTIANITY #AGAINST the #ARIANS in his most famous book “ON the #INCARNATION” is what I have quoted in #Slide 87 of the #Powerpoint as well (i.e. NOT from an obscure or rare source).

In comparison, just play ‘what you feel‘ where it does “not” matter if it is accurate or not for Guitar but theology must be carefully thought of and if not sure, must present evidence why.

7 Nov 2017 YouTube “clickable Link”: https://youtu.be/x89ci76EqvU .

#coachjonathanramachandran #jonathanramachandran #thefailedguitarist .

Example TRINITY support SCRIPTURE from OLD TESTAMENT’s GENESIS 19:24’s TWO YHWH’s

[From Page 1555 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]

The two YHWH’s mentioned (one on earth) while the Other YHWH in Heaven in Genesis 19:24 (Verse in image).

Please note that in (Hebrews 13:2), it points Blessed Patriarch Abraham himself being the first person recorded in Holy Scripture to entertain both Christ (Two YHWH-God in Genesis 19:24, the Visible YHWH on Earth in Genesis 18:1) and being together with ‘angels too’ (Genesis 18:2, Genesis 19:1) via “hospitality” unknowingly (i.e. “CHARITY DOCTRINE LIFESTYLE”) as discussed in those pages in greater detail.

Summarized details in comments in this post in link below:

https://www.facebook.com/jonathan.ramachandran/posts/pfbid024XPbw2aDywrV7FREDYixXZtR9wnLZgmtaQw4ZYjZ7apZRWvN62jxFN2p5CXcWD7Nl

Peace to you

Images are slide 115 & 116 in *Powerpoint. “Present the evidence and let God Alone Decide the Verdict” honesty approach to “First Christianity” quotes especially of the “Doctors of the Church” type Church Fathers & #CHILIASM ones before 700 AD which is an acceptable timeline for all #Trinitarian Christianity be it #Protestant, #RomanCatholic or #Orthodox too.

Image is slide 117 in *Powerpoint.

Image is slide 118 in *Powerpoint.

Image is slide 119 in *Powerpoint. #CharityDoctrine as #Fruit of #Mercy unto #Eternal #Life on #JudgmentDay by #Relative #Measure #Bible Verse directly by #Orignal #Apostle and #SolaFide #Preacher #Paul toward #Onesphorus who might even be #dead at time when Apostle Paul wrote this as he is mentioned in “past tense” and his “#household” is mentioned to be greeted while all others who are living are greeted by name which is a different topic as possible “Prayers for the dead” say in [Pages 1197 or 1198 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook] . Present #Evidence and let GOD alone decide #Verdict .

Image is slide 120 in *Powerpoint. #CharityDoctrine as #Fruit of #Mercy unto #Eternal #Life on #JudgmentDay by #Relative #Measure #Bible Verse directly by another #Orignal #Apostle and #Brother of Most Blessed Lord #Jesus #Christ Himself namely Apostle #James for #Judgment #Day #Context where even #Faith without Charity Doctrine type works cannot save he says (specifically mentioned in James 2:13 – 17). No condemnation for preaching the “same as Bible Verses here”. Present #Evidence and let GOD alone decide #Verdict .

List of #Songs “The Failed Guitarist” has been involved as of 30 December 2023 either in #Singing, #Lyrics, #Music #Composition, #Rhythm/#Bass/#Lead #Guitar playing or even for #fun etc. #YouTube links below (not in any particular order mixed with both Secular Songs and Christian Songs):

1) Lost Without You

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWht3YTQI48

2) Wish

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV2wxspXpTM

3) Example Jamming playing ‘what I feel’ even if ‘not accurate’ using Electric Guitar Solo – Wherever I May Roam Metallica

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x89ci76EqvU

4) Example Jamming with another person live using SweetChildOMine GNR Solo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49RnCHPJOGE

5) Son of God

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P_skke59wQ

6) Nanban

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTZB07NUKNA

7) Jesus in You (Original Song)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YYXlIZY0To

with Jesus in You (Musical solo by Jeshurun Vincent of C4J)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1v8S-aUE-Y

8.) The Answer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJuo4820xgE

9) Home

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLeqXGehlwY

10) Beautiful Reason

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jME5r2awqE

11) Sabthame Melody

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYsamGVPC48

12) Tribute to Agabin Vincent

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-_NvTwa0Zk

13) Gaveena – Nova Rock (Official Music Video)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaEKJ_jiUpg

#coachjonathanramachandran #jonathanramachandran #thefailedguitarist

Thank you

Image is slide 166 in *Powerpoint. All sins are NOT the same – Example how GOD Judged Prostitution in the Bible. [This is important because the LAST DAYS are PROPHESIED like SODOM]. 1) GOD JUDGED literal “prostitution” of Israel and also as an analogy for “other sins” (both literal & allegory true at same time) and even a ‘prostituting nation like samaria can appear MORE RIGHTEOUS in comparison’ meaning it’s a RELATIVE MEASURE (e.g. circumstances etc. which only GOD KNOWS) in Ezekiel 16:51 – 52. Verses like Jeremiah 3:11, 13, 22 prove that righteousness is a relative measure.

Image is slide 167 in *Powerpoint. 2) GOD Revealed the “Prostitution Judgment” for Israel both “literally & allegorically” based on SODOM example in EZEKIEL 16 earlier and HINTED on CHARITY DOCTRINE for REMOVAL of “JUDGMENT of SINS” which can be seen with other BIBLE VERSES too as follows So there is a difference in say falling into prostitution less times in number versus more times. Peace to you

#Sodom #Bible #Reveals God’s #Judgment for #Prostitution #Sin in #Ezekiel as #Relative #Measure and #Charity #Doctrine vital for #Mercy of #God as #LastDays #Prophecy is like Sodom .

Image is slide 168 in *Powerpoint. First Christianity quotes (plenty in pdfs) show that reward level for “Marriage” is “thirtyfold”, “widowhood is sixtyfold” and “hundredfold is for virginity”

The closest proofs in the Bible for this is Matthew 19:29’s “Left Wife” context as “unmarried”, 1 Corinthians 7:38’s choice of “unmarried better than marrying” or even Isaiah 56:5’s “Eunuchs better name/inheritance than married in final salvation context prophecy” whose example could be the 144000 (Revelation 14:1 – 5).

In the New Testament, “Prophets” can refer to those “Prophesy” rightly and also “those who interpret Scripture rightly” but need NOT understand all like Prophet Daniel’s case shows (in Daniel 12:8). This is interesting because PROPHETS can be married (Luke 2:36) but yet have higher inheritance than “pastors/bible teachers” as these Verses prove meaning the earlier ‘general clause of thirty, sixty or hundredfold’ for chaste ‘marriage, widowhood or virginity’ respectively does not apply since it’s HARDEST to GET PROPHECY RIGHT (and only GOD can CHOOSE them).

Gifts and calling of God are irrevocable but one cannot be a prophet with even one false prophecy (Romans 11:29) and Prophet Judah fell into Prostitution but is still a prophet as he repented eventually (Devil tempts them much, Genesis 38:15) and Christ is called “Lion of Judah” based on this ‘same Judah’ (Revelation 5:5).

Example discussion in [Page 133 onward of the #LastBook]

Why CHILIASM Church Fathers can be the “Prophets” of New Testament?

“… After them, now the churches are strengthened by faith, having been given the comfort of interpreting the writings of the prophets; which interpreters he called prophets. For the Apostle says: And He also placed in the Church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers and the rest. And in another place he says: Two or three prophets speak, and let others evaluate, and he says: Every woman praying or prophesying without a veiled head defiles her head…”– Blessed St. Victorinus, Bishop of Pettau, the First and Oldest Christian Commentary on the Apocalypse of John or Book of Revelation, Martyr for Christ (c. 303 AD)Source [‘Commentary on the Apocalypse’, circa 3rd Century, Chapter 10, Page 12]:

https://earlychurchrevival.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/st-victorinus-of-poetovio-translated-by-kevin-edgecomb.pdf

#Chiliasm #Ireneus #ChurchFathers #ChiliasmChurchFathers #Victorinus #Tertullian #AmbroseofMilan #JustinMartyr #NoProphecyofScriptureisofAnyPrivateInterpretation #ProphetsinChristianity #ChristianProphet #Prophet .

Image is slide 169 in *Powerpoint. 2 Timothy 2:5 warns some “saved” with “no” crowns.

These “Bible Verses” (Sola Scriptura) seem to point that highest “hundredfold” reward is attained in “last day” (7th, 1000 years Millennial Reign during “Resurrection”) for those “leaving” something (wife/unmarried or family or wealth-houses/lands) to fulfill Gospel Commands and “last becomes first” which even virgin rich man lacked charity doctrine for “perfection/hundredfold” even after keeping 10 commandments where it’s “not” for ‘any type of Preaching the Gospel’ but best is ‘working secular & preaching for free’ & some apostles took a believing wife (option, still apostle level but “left everything else” meaning must choose to live “charity doctrine” way or “penniless”) so more “leaving” or “persecution” (be it from other Christians to non-Christians from say job to martyrdom) higher reward too.

Even in “fasting & praying” (highest praying which can even drive out demons), it’s no match if without “Charity Doctrine” & Israel’s priests erred likewise as God sent Prophet Zechariah only after they ‘all’ had been wrong for 70 years (long time) and God gives the analogy of ‘fasting & praying’ for ‘prosperity requests’ as “for yourselves” contrasting Charity Doctrine type as done to Him via the poor. In Parable of Sower, “good ground” is no. of converts (no reward) but “fruit” is “commands understood & acted” which includes New Testament Traditions as “no prophet” level obedience can ignore it.

Image is slide 170 in *Powerpoint. Based on explanations with Bible Verses in Slide 169 different Church Fathers (especially Doctors of the Church type before 700 AD) may have been more accurate in Doctrine than others topic by topic on parts where their quotes differ & here is a quote agreeing to the most likely the BIBLE VERSES where the “VIRGIN Rich Man” who came to CHRIST to learn about PERFECTION who KEPT all TORAH (10 Commandments from the “youth” even) but yet MOST BLESSED LORD JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF Said he lacked ALMSGIVING / CHARITY DOCTRINE so ‘all virginity + 10 commandments too without it LACKS LOVE toward OTHERS in ACTION in CHARITY DOCTRINE’ which is PEREFECTION of GOD in Matthew 19:18 to 21, 29!

“… And all this I say, not to depreciate fasting, God forbid, but rather highly to commend it. But I grieve when other duties being neglected, you think it enough for salvation, having but the last place in the choir of virtue. For the greatest thing is charity, and moderation, and almsgiving; which hits a higher mark even than virginity.…” – St. John Chrysostom, Homily 46, Homilies on the Gospel of St. Matthew

Source:

https://www.orthodoxchurchquotes.com/2013/11/29/st-john-chrysostom-for-the-greatest-thing-is-charity-and-moderation-and-almsgiving-which-hits-a-higher-mark-even-than-virginity/

[From Page 227 onward of the #LastBook]

“… Saint John Chrysostom writes: What was the profit of virginity, when they saw not the Bridegroom? Even when they knocked at the door, they did not obtain; instead, they heard the fearful saying, “Depart, I know you not”. When he said this, nothing else but hell is left, and that intolerable punishment … This Parable was spoken with respect to mercy in almsgiving…It is also that we might learn how close Christ is joined unto virgins that strip themselves of their possessions; for this indeed is virginity. [Homilies on the Gospel of Matthew, Homily LXXVII) …”

Source:

https://saintandrewgoc.org/blog/2017/4/14/the-parable-of-the-ten-virgins-saint-matthew-251-13

He also taught that some are “virgin” in the flesh but a “greater virginity” lies in regard to “finances & almsgiving/Charity Doctrine”, i.e. “Financial Virginity” (except the term is not coined to refer to “Finance for Charity Doctrine against Prosperity”); I think it’s something like no one is perfect either from “sexual thoughts” even among “physically virgin” which can be analogous to “financial virginity” in regard to “lesser or more finance toward Charity Doctrine vs Prosperity likewise” which GOD alone can judge as St. John Chrysostom point this out and I try to present the evidence here with his quotes.

Who was he? Blessed St. John Chrysostom, the Fourth Great Greek Doctor of the Church, Archbishop of Constantinople, one of the Three Holy Hierarchs / Great Hierarch, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church

For Bible Verses, please see Slides 143 to 145 earlier.

#Hundredfold linked to #CharityDoctrine more than even #Virginity or even #fasting with #Prayer with relevant #Torah kept even and #Prophet level #obedience in #New #Testament includes #NewTestament #Traditions too for #Rewards based on #Rules without which some can be #Saved but no #crown .

Peace to you

Image is Slide 171 in *Powerpoint. Question – I don’t think 2 Tim 2:5 says some will be saved with no crown. I think it’s saying if you don’t play by the rules (i.e. accept salvation by grace through faith) you won’t be victorious at all, meaning not saved. I do believe the Bible clearly teaches about varying rewards in heaven and it does seem that loss for the sake of the gospel increases those rewards. Reply – Salvation is not rules nor games and not by merit but God’s Grace. However, a crown is by merit as even Revelation 3:11 reveals in “heaven” as Bride (revelation 21:9) and nations who are saved (not all mentioned to be kings) nor even enter heaven in Revelation 21:24 – 27 contrasts seems to make the case of “saved but not having crowns” as possible. As usual, I present the evidence and let God Decide the Verdict. Thanks for sharing your views too. Peace 2 u.

*Powerpoint Link: Why I wrote the books? An Explanation Powerpoint Viewer Version (sent in emails) but Posted 7 Dec 2023

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1C3FZh5AFL2aNDy9s7TA0TphwmF7dBbpP/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103161103828141436650&rtpof=true&sd=true

*Any error is mine and if anything turned out accurate it’s by God’s Grace.

Peace to you

Image is Slide 172 in *Powerpoint. My view in regard to the highest “Hundredfold” Reward and since I could “not” do “sell all and give to the poor etc. … part” (Matthew 19:21’s PERFECTION/HUNDREDFOLD) I am at peace even if lowest thirtyfold reward level or saved without reward too as GOD already gave OPTION here.

So perhaps even the “married” can possibly attain to the “hundredfold” level reward as per this “First Christianity” quote. The quote seems to speak that the “hundredfold” is attainable by “relative measure” of gift (example Peter’s strength in “faith” vs John’s virginity & innocence maybe another’s “Charity Doctrine” I add etc.). Only God can judge it and ‘more gifts perfected may mean more hundredfold levels (variety)’ of final rewards. An important implication for the “married” is that no need to renounce any marriage for a spouse who is keen on the Gospel Work in some way in life. Conclusion – I guess we cannot worry about whether we are to attain the “hundredfold” level reward as even the Poor Widow (Luke 21:1 – 3 gave more than all even if it could “not” feed any/few compared to the rich as CHRIST Remarked) meaning it’s NOT based on “outward” impact as many faith can be ‘small in relative measure’ of ‘more commands obeyed (including New Testament Traditions) can merit greatest vs least too in heaven or not enter heaven (Matthew 5:17 – 20) and greatest is those who “SERVE” most i.e. CHARITY DOCTRINE giving of GOSPEL & SECULAR things for FREE in RELATIVE MEASURE as CHRIST Taught in Matthew 23:11 (implied) and maybe that’s why CHRIST Said “if you want to be PERFECT (Hundredfold levels), sell what you have give to the POOR and FOLLOW ME (both Charity Doctrine + His Commands). Peace 2 u.

Image is Slide 173 in *Powerpoint. Some may be SAVED and ENTER HEAVEN (but among them itself there is a GRADATION of LEAST vs GREAT) -à His BRIDE. Some may be SAVED in that FINAL NEW EARTH but NEVER ENTER HEAVEN as only the “KINGS of the EARTH” among them ENTER “lowest” heaven the New Jerusalem City which connects to that final new earth & a gate filters them & this is AFTER BOOK of LIFE results are revealed meaning it’s not millennial reign timeline but after final Judgment Day. I present evidence, I could be wrong so let GOD DECIDE. Peace 2 u.

Slide 174 in free Powerpoint CHARITY DOCTRINE and HEAVEN (“Treasures”) LINK & Hearts Revealed & the Great Denial – Part 1 of 2

Can you interpret these NEW TESTAMENT Bible Verses by CHRIST “differently”, you dare? Yes, “all” directly by Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ.

Alms is both the “hardest” and “most beautiful” “action” command by Christ because it’s analogy to Salvation where GOD Gave His ONLY Begotten Son for our sins (where CHRIST is GOD’s ALMS to us for “everything” linked to Salvation) and the value of “Alms or CHARITY DOCTRINE is highest” because CHRIST Commanded it “most” and each time you “give” from “what you have” (Luke 11:41, e.g. KJV, Majority Manuscript) and NOT from “donation” money only etc. since you’re giving “your life” away because that’s what it costs you to “earn that money” in the first place and its value increases in “relative measure” where say if you were “lowly paid” (say compared to others if they had same qualifications & ability as you but only that they were of different race or religion or denomination, “unwritten nepotism” etc.) meaning the GENIUS of GOD is allowing us to CONVERT these “sufferings/unfairness” in life into “ETERNAL Heavenly Reward/Treasure” (e.g. Luke 21:1 – 3’s “poor widow’s giving may “not” have fed “any/many” but is still most & Luke 12:46 – 48 assures us that not only GOD Counts but also JUDGES based on this as “more is given, more is required” while Luke 16:9 parabolically describes CHARITY DOCTRINE LIFESTYLE as LIFESTYLE of a CHRISTIAN as GOD’s WILL & “seeking the Kingdom of God” is INCOMPLETE unless done with ALMS as Luke 12:30 – 35 reveals only when quoted in “FULL“ to keep the “LAMPS lit” even linking it to the “Parable of 5 Wise and 5 Foolish Virgins” as the HOLY SPIRIT Dwells only with those WHO LOVE in ACTION in CHARITY DOCTRINE MOSTLY. Not only that Luke 11:41 reveals ALMS for SANTIFICATION to CLEAN ALL “inside/outside” us & on JUDGMENT DAY in Matthew 25:31 – 46 CHRIST ONLY Asks ALMS in regard to what one did “… When I was hungry, thirsty, naked, homeless etc. …” – I repeat, did you realize that EVERY single BIBLE verse here is by CHRIST DIRECTLY? Selah); too many verses quoted please search online as not enough space here. Church Fathers taught the same as you can see from my free pdfs these parts including Martin Luther. Example in these pages of the #LastBook (image below) .Peace 2 u.

Slide 175 in free Powerpoint CHARITY DOCTRINE and HEAVEN (“Treasures”) LINK & Hearts Revealed & the Great Denial – Part 2 of 2

Money can be hoarded if NOT for “self prosperity enjoyment” (Luke 12:21) of loving earthly things (against 1 John 2:15) and used to finance “CHARITY DOCTRINE LIFESTYLE to give SERVICES of GOSPEL or SECULAR for FREE” (and some part can be donated to Charity depending on whether one is married or not at end of life, modern adaptation) as per Verses mentioned in Slide 174 of Powerpoint earlier even toward ENEMIES (Christ Commanded, Matthew 5:44, Luke 6:27 – 34) even if GIVING/LENDING MONEY to them without getting back (Luke 6:35) without which He Asked “… What credit is there if you love those who love you … or what do you do more than others? …” (Luke 6:32 – 33, Matthew 5:47) and interestingly CHRIST taught all these CHARITY DOCTRINE Commands even toward ENEMIES in “consecutive Verses” above just after warning that only FALSE PROPHETS cannot give THEIR OWN MONEY/SKILLS for FREE toward ENEMIES even as IMPLIED as PART of FIRST CONTEXT/TOPIC taught here in Luke 6:26 itself and is taught to EXCEED the RIGHTEOUSNESS of PHARISEES to ENTER HEAVEN CONTEXT type OBEDIENCE in Matthew 5:20 as both Matthew & Luke record different parts of this SAME Sermon on the Mount by CHRIST). It looks like this type of LOVE in ACTION is what makes the highest “HUNDREDFOLD” heavenly rewards & in this context CHRIST (not me) taught which is GOOD TREE (Luke 6:43 – 45) & which SAYINGS of CHRIST (includes the above) that BUILDS the HOUSE on the ROCK (Luke 6:46 – 49 where in ‘same wordings’ in Matthew 7:20 – 24 with additional details, CHRIST DENIES those only doing “Prophesying, Casting out Demons & Miracles” without all this, implied as “I NEVER KNEW YOU” as “it is Written”; I present the “evidence” found in Scripture, let God Decide). Peace 2 u.

The Math of considering “Doctrinal Possibilities” which does NOT lead to “Hell” even if “wrong”.

[Text] Ah nice Rev. #BillyGraham who by the end of his walk of faith in Christ was open to “Non Elect Salvation Possibility” & “never spoke in tongues but was neutral toward those who do” which is exactly where I find myself in theology as well in these areas as shown in [Page 255 onward of the #LastBook] quoting proofs with further links say in [Page 860/862 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]]. If these possibilities which he considered did not lead him to “eternal hell”, neither will you and it’s possible to be “correct” doctrine which only GOD can DECIDE either way. Peace to you

Slide 176 in free Powerpoint (download in link) – (Text) Some of those thrown in Lake of Fire later or Hades now (Revelation 20:15) could be the “saved by fire” ones which 1 Corinthians 3:15 mentions with “no” reward which both “Church Fathers” too may have pointed in earlier slides, example in Slides 78, 81, 92, 132, 173 etc.

Did you notice that whosoever’s name is in “Book of Life” can ENTER HEAVEN? (Revelation 21:27) where it opens possibility that some of those saved on “final new earth” but NOT enter heaven for example the non-kings (Revelation 21:24 – 26) or the thirsty (Revelation 21:6) whom even the “BRIDE” (Christians call at that ‘future time’, Revelation 22:17) to take the “Water of Life freely could be NON-ELECT Salvation? I am “not” saying this must be it but I present “evidence” and let “God Decide” it in the end.

EVERY CHRISTIAN seems to be in HEAVEN (Hebrews 12:22 – 23, Revelation 3:5, 11, Revelation 21:9 so some of those on Final New Earth could be non-Elect Salvation? Some may be SAVED and ENTER HEAVEN (but among them itself there is a GRADATION of LEAST vs GREAT) -à His BRIDE. Some may be SAVED in that FINAL NEW EARTH but NEVER ENTER HEAVEN as only the “KINGS of the EARTH” among them ENTER “lowest” heaven the New Jerusalem City which connects to that final new earth & a gate filters them & this is AFTER BOOK of LIFE results are revealed meaning it’s not millennial reign timeline but after final Judgment Day. I present evidence, I could be wrong so let GOD DECIDE. Peace 2 u.

[Text] Prayer can be misguided led by “human” desires rather than God’s Will even some “hearing voices in their heads”. However, “Scriptural” reading is 100% God’s Word and so it’s “never” wrong (only our interpretations can be wrong; for that we also must read Church Fathers to Protestant Founders as they’re the best whom God has Chosen and everybody is quoting ‘the Bible says their opinion’. Thus, who is wrong or right, that let GOD Decide but this path is “most honest”). “Understanding” is way more important than even “Speaking in Tongues” type of “Prayer” according to the No. 1 “Speaker in Tongues” Inspired by the Most Blessed Holy Spirit in 1 Corinthians 14:18 – 20 where the idea is “benefitting others” so “Charity Doctrine” is top on the list in “Principle” where don’t forget “Relative Measure” as poor widow gave most CHRIST Said in Luke 21:1 – 3 as GOD sees LABOUR NOT RESULT/NUMBERS. (I am talking about the “Real” type where the modern one I am NOT sure if it’s true or NOT but I do NOT participate in it taking any “risks” as I am neutral since I do NOT know) Peace to you

Example Powerpoint Slide with biggest Church Fathers, Doctors of the Church before 700 AD and Protestant Founders with their quotes and/or their life experiences – Why I wrote the books? An Explanation

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1C3FZh5AFL2aNDy9s7TA0TphwmF7dBbpP/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103161103828141436650&rtpof=true&sd=true

*Any error is mine and if anything turned out accurate it’s by God’s Grace only.

Peace to you and Thank you

[Text] Slide 178 in Powerpoint. The Biblical Math of Prayer. Prayer can be misguided led by “human” desires rather than God’s Will even some “hearing voices in their heads”. However, “Scriptural” reading is 100% God’s Word and so it’s “never” wrong (only our interpretations can be wrong; for that we also must read Church Fathers to Protestant Founders as they’re the best whom God has Chosen and everybody is quoting ‘the Bible says their opinion’. Thus, who is wrong or right, that let GOD Decide but this path is “most honest”). “Understanding” is way more important than even “Speaking in Tongues” type of “Prayer” according to the No. 1 “Speaker in Tongues” Inspired by the Most Blessed Holy Spirit in 1 Corinthians 14:18 – 20 where the idea is “benefitting others” so “Charity Doctrine” is top on the list in “Principle” where don’t forget “Relative Measure” as poor widow gave most CHRIST Said in Luke 21:1 – 3 as GOD sees LABOUR NOT RESULT/NUMBERS. (I am talking about the “Real” type where the modern one I am NOT sure if it’s true or NOT but I do NOT participate in it taking any “risks” as I am neutral since I do NOT know) Peace to you

[Text] Slide 177 in Powerpoint. Example Powerpoint Slide with biggest Church Fathers, Doctors of the Church before 700 AD and Protestant Founders with their quotes and/or their life experiences – Why I wrote the books? An Explanation

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1C3FZh5AFL2aNDy9s7TA0TphwmF7dBbpP/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103161103828141436650&rtpof=true&sd=true

*Any error is mine and if anything turned out accurate it’s by God’s Grace only.

Peace to you and Thank you

Every Protestant quotes Blessed John “Wycliffe” for doing first “English” translation of Bible (and “… After his death Wycliffe was excommunicated, his body exhumed and burnt. …”) but he himself in his quote here quotes even the “Holy Doctors” of the “Church” (which we quote too before 700 AD) meaning “not” he is prideful to think that “God only told him the right faith or that others could be more accurate”. Thank God. Source for quote (“The Protestant Reformation” Page):

https://www.facebook.com/ReformedEvangelicalCatholic/posts/pfbid0XxbeXazKyvtR1J7AryHFH2BK5VkAkq8MXakPDzuVpUzRHNp8AGbLvibppumY2NbLl

Peace to you

WHY no more free Math Olympiad CLASS?

Question
Hi, i saw you gave free math classes?

Reply
Hi there, not anymore because only the rich were pretending and attending it. So I wrote to local churches and charity organisations to organise it for the real poor/needy, they ignored it except a few pastors or priests tried (which I appreciate) but my part is done as I made my self available by relative measure by God’s Grace. The Bible Warns against giving to the rich which is a curse, Verse: “… One who oppresses the poor to make more for himself, Or gives to the rich, will only come to poverty….” (Proverbs 22:16, NKJV) which only exists for the Masoretic but not Septuagint but yet I am not willing to take any such “risks”. At most, please send a question and if I find free time or am able to solve it, I may send a reply and post it on my free math pages for everyone to see by God’s Grace. Peace to you

*This Bible Verse “curses” in “many dimensions” (example in image).

Which Commands Christ’s Requires us to “Enter Heaven”?

Question

jesus explained, that unless your rightousness surpasses the pharisees you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. if a man teaches against the torah, he has no place in the world to come.

Oh Christ Actually taught “His Commands” as He never recited the “All of the Torah” but only “Selected” parts and “Extended” (such as Love your enemies etc.) in Matthew 5 to 7 (nothing to be added nor removed by anyone). Simple, right? Most of His Commands are of the “Charity Doctrine” type in that famous “Sermon on the Mount” (Please read it and see; indeed something no “Pharisee” will be able to do to others especially not of same religion nor of same race or even enemies) . If all the Torah need to be kept by Gentile Believers, then Acts 15 and Acts 24 need not be written and discussed as I have shown say in [Pages 43 to 45 onward of the #LastBook] & “obeying things not relevant to us” is considered “tradition of men” which can make even “worship to be not so valuable” as CHRIST Warned in Mark 7:7 – 8 or Matthew 15:9 as even Blessed Apostle St. Paul’s letters meaning only New Testament Commands and Traditions which are “Written” are counted most and which not written we cannot be sure 100% which is true or not. Example discussion of what CHRIST meant by LOVE YOUR ENEMIES with BIBLE VERSES can be seen in [Page 268 or 321 onward of the #LastBook]. Peace to you

A comment to Ponder: A Born Again person will be enabled by God to Keep His New Testament Commands and Traditions (with degree of variations from least to greatest, Matthew 5:17 – 20 teaches this) as many claiming to have “gifts” of “prophecy, casting out demons and miracles” despite “converting many” get “denied from entering heaven context” (in Matthew 7:20 – 23) for not teaching & keeping His Commands (Matthew 7:24 Reveals this context in “consecutive verses”) all “as it is Written”. Peace to you

Image is Slide 179 in Powerpoint*

1) Remember the Rich Man in Hell for not doing the Charity Doctrine to Lazarus as CHRIST DIRECTLY Taught (not via humans) in Luke 16:19 – 31?

2) Another best VERSE is by Apostle St. Paul himself where even in the New Testament he himself explained that ALMS OR CHARITY DOCTRINE is for SANCTIFICATION CONTEXT (“PURIFIED” in temple phrase below which refers to JUDGMENT OF SINS REMOVED CONTEXT throughout OLD TESTAMENT- can you see it?) in Verses below:

“… 17“Now after many years I came to bring ALMS AND OFFERINGS [CHARITY DOCTRINE] to my nation, 18in the midst of which some Jews from Asia FOUND ME PURIFIED IN THE TEMPLE, neither with a mob nor with tumult. …” (Acts 24:17, NKJV)

If Apostle St. Paul the Original Sola Fide (“Faith Alone”) Preacher Taught and did likewise, so can we in this New Testament as it is Written.

3) In fact one of this Tobit Verse literally means “… ALMS Delivers from Death …” spoken by Archangel Raphael itself as I have shown in free pdfs was directly quoted by St. Polycarp who was direct Disciple of Apostle St. John [From Page 379 onward of the #ChiliasmBook].

The Sanctification is a process of cleansing where the only righteous act mentioned TO CLEAN ALL BY CHRIST HIMSELF IS ALMS/CHARITY DOCTRINE in LUKE 11:41 and it’s part of HIS WORD or COMMAND needed by Relative Measure (as the thief on the cross couldn’t do that nor was he baptized even) as even this Verse in Ephesians summarises the Redemption of the Church likewise beautifully to include CLEANSING through WATER (BAPTISM) and HIS WORD (ANY COMMAND and ACCURATE BELIEFS about CHRIST too)

“… just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, 26that He might [g]sanctify and CLEANSE HER WITH THE WASHING OF WATER BY THE WORD 27that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish. …” (Ephesians 5:25 – 27, NKJV)

#LordJesusChrist taught #Charity #CharityDoctrine for #Sanctification with #ApostlePaul even on #JudgmentDay compiled with #ChurchFathers too by #JonathanRamachandran #CoachJonathanRamachandran #AnonymousChristian #CharityDoctrine #FirstChristianity .

[Text] Image is Slide 180 in Powerpoint*

Question
What’s your opinion on this? (Tobit 12:8 – 9 and 1 John 1:7)

1) Oh I saw this on that FB page; I wrote plenty on this.
Alms removes “Judgment of Sin” as Christ Himself Taught that in Luke 11:41 as “Cleans All” (Sanctification) but it cannot give life or resurrection etc. Implying “Sin” can only be removed by Blood of Christ meaning only Blood of Christ gives life, resurrection and removal of sin.

2) In the 66 Books old Testament, the closest is this Verse (Daniel 4:27) which Prophet Daniel himself taught likewise that “Alms” (Charity) removes Judgment of Sins.

3) CHRIST (not me) calls those who “clean outside” (outward holiness) but WITHOUT ALMS/CHARITY as FOOLS based on KJV also (Majority Text) and based on “what you have” (personal money, skill, possessions and not from other people’s donation money only ) in Luke 11:39 – 41 here as it is Written

4) In fact one of this Tobit Verse literally means “… ALMS Delivers from Death …” spoken by Archangel Raphael itself as I have shown in free pdfs was directly quoted by St. Polycarp who was direct Disciple of Apostle St. John [From Page 379 onward of the #ChiliasmBook].

5) The Sanctification is a process of cleansing where the only righteous act mentioned TO CLEAN ALL BY CHRIST HIMSELF IS ALMS/CHARITY DOCTRINE in LUKE 11:41 and it’s part of HIS WORD or COMMAND needed by Relative Measure (as the thief on the cross couldn’t do that nor was he baptized even) as even this Verse in Ephesians summarises the Redemption of the Church likewise beautifully to include CLEANSING through WATER (BAPTISM) and HIS WORD (ANY COMMAND and ACCURATE BELIEFS about CHRIST too)

6) Another best VERSE is by Apostle St. Paul himself where even in the New Testament he himself explained that ALMS OR CHARITY DOCTRINE is for SANCTIFICATION CONTEXT (“PURIFIED” in temple phrase below which refers to JUDGMENT OF SINS REMOVED CONTEXT throughout OLD TESTAMENT- can you see it?) in Verses below:

If Apostle St. Paul the Original Sola Fide (“Faith Alone”) Preacher Taught and did likewise, so can we in this New Testament as it is Written.

7) A comment to Ponder: A Born Again person will be enabled by God to Keep His New Testament Commands and Traditions (with degree of variations from least to greatest, Matthew 5:17 – 20 teaches this) as many claiming to have “gifts” of “prophecy, casting out demons and miracles” despite “converting many” get “denied from entering heaven context” (in Matthew 7:20 – 23) for not teaching & keeping His Commands (Matthew 7:24 Reveals this context in “consecutive verses”) all “as it is Written”. Peace to you

8.) If someone wants Christ’s Word only on this directly, please notice JUDGMENT DAY Verses in Matthew 25:31 – 46 where CHRIST Himself only Asks what One Did “… when I was Hungry, Thirsty, Naked, Homeless …” which is just ALMS/CHARITY DOCTRINE before REMOVING JUDGMENT OF SINS and letting those who do it (i. e. Those “Surprised Sheep” who ask back “… when did we see you Lord etc. …” to whom He Replies “… when you did to the least of my brethren you did it to me …”) to BE APPLIED HIS BLOOD ONLY AFTER that to ENTER HIS KINGDOM.

Conclusion

All Church Fathers including St. Augustine of Hippo taught similarly with different words only [e.g. from Page 354 onward of the #ChiliasmBook] as i have shown in free pdfs. That’s how I see it too as “it is Written” directly by CHRIST Himself explaining the “Judgment of Sins” with “Alms” before applying HIS BLOOD and SAVING them on JUDGMENT DAY itself in Matthew 25:31 – 46. Last but not least, remember the Rich Man in Hell for not doing the Charity Doctrine to Lazarus as CHRIST DIRECTLY Taught (not via humans) in Luke 16:19 – 31? Peace to you

*Powerpoint Slide – Why I wrote the books? An Explanation link:

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1C3FZh5AFL2aNDy9s7TA0TphwmF7dBbpP/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103161103828141436650&rtpof=true&sd=true

*Any error is mine and if anything turned out accurate it’s by God’s Grace only.

Peace to you and Thank you

Peace to you

Woman whom God Praised.

The BIBLE never praised nor ordained one women priest etc. neither in the Old Testament nor in the New Testament and NOR by CHRIST even. However Scripture has Spoken about the RAREST TYPE of WOMAN to be PRAISED only in PROVERBS 31 which EVERY HYPORCRITICAL so called “EQUALITY/FEMINISM” movements will come to shame if compared simply because GREATNESS is NOT in RECEIVING but GIVING. Confused? EVERY single trait of the MYSTERIOUS WOMAN mentioned in Proverbs 31 is all ABOUT GIVING compared to worldly women who marry or measure life by “what they can receive” which is NOT love but “selfishness” but no special chapter written for men like that in the Bible because universally men work to give generally (there are bad ones too). Please see sample Verses below and such woman is said to “fear God”.

1) This is the RAREST TYPE of WOMAN

2) Nothing is mentioned of “her husband” except that “he will be wise among the elders of the Land”

3) The most important part the BIBLE (not me) repeats in Proverbs 31 is that she gets her “own income” and not a word mentioned about taking “her husband’s money” (and since the Bible repeats this particular trait so many ways and times in this Proverbs 31, this is a TRAIT of a GIVER and SERVANT and CHRIST SAID those who SERVE are GREATEST in Matthew 20:27).

4) Far from the typical worldy prosperity trophy wife (who try to marry rich man to have money), she not only provides her own income in many ways for family (Proverbs 31:13, 15, 24) but also DOES CHARITY DOCTRINE to the POOR and NEEDY (Proverbs 31:20) ANSWERING CHRIST’s FAMOUS REMARK, what benefit is there if you love your own family only which can be inferred by “… 32“But IF YOU LOVE THOSE WHO LOVE YOU, WHAT CREDIT IS THAT TO YOU? …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 6:32, NKJV) “… WHAT DO YOU DO MORE THAN OTHERS? …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 5:47, NKJV) “… 33And IF YOU DO GOOD TO THOSE WHO DO GOOD TO YOU, WHAT CREDIT IS THAT TO YOU? …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 6:33, NKJV)

5) Proverbs 31 ends deservingly that such a women “exceeds all” and “fears God” as she did all this.

6) FEMINISTS always please “women” and NOT GOD against Galatians 1:10. To know GOD’s WILL, we need to see WHAT GOD has PRAISED. Peace to you

#Woman #FearGod either as #housewife who are #lower than #woman with own #income against #ProsperityGospel type #TrophyWife #Proverbs31 No #Wisdom or #Counsel against the #LORD #Greatness is being a #Servant and NOT #leader to be served type.

Revisited – Commenting on other religions

Question

In bible we have so many scientific mistakes so do not relate math teaching to bible

You don’t need to comment on my religion ya. I don’t believe in commenting on your religion either. In fact, you could just be a Christian from a different denomination say Roman Catholic or Pentecostal who felt some of the posts condemns your beliefs and so may be masquerading with a fake profile of “another religion” to cause “havoc” or some “dislikes” toward “me”. Also, you very well know that some religions don’t even allow people to choose what to believe and if you comment badly on it, they will kill you and so what’s the point of even trying to go for a debate where there is no such freedom? So best is let’s see after we die who was right. Well from your perspective, I am going to burn eternally in your version of hell. So let’s see if it happens on the other side or not. Right here, let’s live and love each other peacefully, fair, right? Peace to you

[From Page 274 onward of the #LastBook]

Who is keen on Biblical Spiritual Warfare?

For those who think ‘sitting down and praying is doing spiritual warfare’, how can you defeat the devil when you yourself are just praying for self-prosperity and also disobey all these Bible Verses? (I am “not” accusing you but also including myself if I do not do it). True Spiritual Warfare involves “debate” but only within Christianity (“no” commenting on other religions or those outside whom God Will judge as these Bible Verses Reveal):

“… I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people; I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world. But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES ….” – apostle Paul (1 Corinthians 5:9 – 13, NASB)

Peace to you

EXAMPLE within CHRISTIANITY Debate with a Roman Catholic

Question 1

Protestant Bibles are full of mistakes. Martin luther made many mistakes while translating the Bible written by the Catholic Church Authority

Reply 1

The Catholic Church doesn’t even believe in Chiliasm Prophecy which is held by earliest and most authoritative fathers of the Church.

Question 2

you dont know the real history of catholic Church. You people listen to lies propagated by the Pastors in the youtube and internet. These brainwashed preachers misguide you for their benefit and you fools command under their instruction.

Reply 2

Please read the free pdf of the #Lastbook. I quoted even the “Roman Catholic Church to say the same history”; you really don’t know your own history (that tells a lot). Here’s an example link [From Pages 306 or 307 onward of the #LastBook]:

Source:

https://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/millennium-and-millenarianism

or this

http://semperaltius.com/millennium.htm

Deleting the source or lying about history will not change history.

Question 3

In the new Testament Jesus himself said that Mother Mary is blessed among all womens. Protestant bibles lack of truth and authenticity.

Reply 3

Christ Also Said that there are people more blessed than Virgin Mary (example Verse in image, Luke 11:27 – 28). Also at least two persons sit on Christ’s Right and Left hand and so if Christ wanted any more mediators it should include them by name which He didn’t give meaning no other mediator other than Him (Mark 10:40).

Question 4

you are miquoting the text

Reply 4

You don’t even have a text (for “Virgin Mary” prayers). Also NO CHILIASM CHURCH Fathers (earliest Prophecy position in Church History) have NO Prayers to Virgin Mary NOR the Saints (Did you know? It would be surprising that “all” of them skipped something if it was important for salvation, right?). Also I did misquote the Verse because here’s a simple logic: If CHRIST has at least 2 people on his left and right hand (Mark 10:40) or some “more blessed than Virgin Mary if they exceed her in obedience”, Luke 11:27 – 28 such as the Blessed Apostles of the Lamb whose names only are written in the Final Heavenly City of God, Revelation 21:14) then CHRIST would have openly SAID to PRAY to them too which HE DID NOT meaning HE is the ONLY MEDIATOR (1 Timothy 2:5; see how I have “Scripture” for each claim?) Peace to you

#Catholic vs #Protestant with #Chiliasm #Church #Fathers with no #Prayers to #VirginMary as #First #Christianity #Prophecy position where they #differ #details can be #debated to see which is more #accurate .

Image is Slide 185 in Powerpoint*. Do number of conversions matter? Roman Catholics is still No. 1 & preserved Scripture etc. Just like history in the past, the Jews preserved Scripture were levite priests (pastors) collected tithes etc. but could NOT even identify NOR believe that LORD JESUS CHRIST is the MESSIAH. History has a tendency of repeating itself.

Some opponents of Christianity say “how can GOD allow Scripture or Church History” to be ‘changed by human will’? Jeremiah 8:8 Says that can happen but there will be preserved Scripture as well because there is gradation of least to greatest even among those who enter heaven (Matthew 5:17 – 20). This means depending on “number of conversions” is NOT a sign of truth.

For example, a single man (Mr. Charles Fox Parham) claimed to SPEAK in TONGUES through his laying of hands on Ms. Agnes Ozman first time around 1900 which converted till around 600 million+ Pentecostals too. So based on numbers, which is it, Catholic or Pentecostal? Catholic is still most but Pentecostal is through “one man’s claims”.

Pentecostals like to mock Catholic History or errors but at the same time few know/teach their own history by the Father of Pentecostalism itself (Mr. Charles Fox Parham) as I have demonstrated with proof (modern times, newspapers published his own statements etc.) for example in [Pages 9, 11, 21, 22 onward of the #LastBook] which leads to more “scary” details, examples:

1) [Page 846 onward of the #ChiliasmBook], Father of Pentecostals Mr. Parham himself(not me) claimed every NON HUMAN LANGUAGE “speaking in tongues” is of the FLESH or DEMONIC especially from the Azusa Street Revival from which say Assemblies of God (AOG Church was born) – so if he is wrong, why would GOD Use such a person in the 1st place who will denounce and cause “confusion”? Is it JUDGMENT?

2) [From Page 875/ 877 onward of the #ChiliasmBook], Father of Pentecostals Mr. Parham sodomized a young Jewish boy, not girl (and confessed that he did not know what he did in a sleep state after the “Speaking in tongues” incident and he became popular & had other uncharged allegations covered up) meaning was the “Holy Spirit” in him? If GOD foreknew he would do all this, aren’t there “holier” Pentecostals around whom God could have used? If such a paedophile can be used by GOD to convert 600 + million Pentecostals today, so what’s the big deal about others used despite sins ?

3) In Academia, only “three Pentecostals” ever won the “Nobel Prize” to date in NON-technical fields (“Peace Prize”) despite 65.4% of Nobel Prize Winners are all NON SPEAKING in TONGUES CHRISTIANS (mixed of Protestants and Roman Catholic + Orthodox). Clickable Link (Proof):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_Nobel_laureates ;

also plenty of atheists to non-Pentecostals are millionaires throughout the world too meaning claiming “money as answered prayer” applies to NON-PENTECOSTALS and NON-CHRISTIANS too so it means NOTHING.

*Powerpoint Slide – Why I wrote the books? An Explanation free ppt link

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1C3FZh5AFL2aNDy9s7TA0TphwmF7dBbpP/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103161103828141436650&rtpof=true&sd=true

#Pentecostals #Charismatic #Christianity #Church #History #Parham #Risks proof that #God can use anyone to #convert and number of #conversions is not a measure of #accurate #doctrine even when compared to #Catholics who have even more #money and #converts .

Image is Slide 187 in Powerpoint*. The Math of Marriage & Sincere Decisions of Desires – Original Quote

https://www.facebook.com/share/Mk9BeNA2V6iVqRaQ/?mibextid=xfxF2i

He grew ‘bored of money and attention from models’. Read more: https://trib.al/H1xVzXL

GLORY GLORY MAN UNITED to GLORY TO GOD IN THE HIGHEST!

Comment:

I am “NOT” Roman Catholic but this I admire because to be a “Priest” in their system, “you CANNOT Marry” and this person made that decision after EARNING SO MUCH MONEY even (not to mention all those PRETTY AND SOME GOOD WOMEN there too which he has to give up to become a PRIEST? To do so his “faith in Roman Catholicism” must be strong indeed; how accurate it is, let God Decide but it’s within Matthew 19:29’s LEFT WIFE part for GOSPEL WORK to get HUNDREDFOLD highest HEAVENLY REWARD (out of three harvests of the Gospel namely THIRTYFOLD, SIXTYFOLD vs HUNDREDFOLD levels in Parable of Sower too, Matthew 13:8), e.g. being a PRIEST here but PERSONALLY I DO NOT think I would be able to do that if I HAD ESPECIALLY the FINANCIAL freedom he had). Please remember that “not marrying and staying single or even becoming a pastor” because one could NOT get BIG MONEY NOR PRETTY WIFE or if NO ONE WANTED to MARRY them (which are realities which only GOD KNOWS, we don’t judge but analyze ourselves so that NO FALSE PRETENSE of so called “GIVING UP life for the GOSPEL” when it was last resort or to GAIN PROSPERITY of PRETTY WIFE, MONEY, JOB etc. is NOT what Matthew 19:29 means as it means LEAVING ONE of THOSE THINGS or MORE which all other “HUMANKIND DESIRE MOST too” hence RENUNCIATION for these gains HUNDREDFOLD if rightly done as CHRIST TAUGHT, see Luke 14:33 too and that’s why the “12” (no 13th) Blessed Apostles of the Lamb have their names in the Final City of God as GOD LOVES their FAITHFULNESS in Revelation 21:14 or the 144000 Virgins Revelation 14:1 – 5). CHRIST Taught CHARITY DOCTRINE for ETERNAL LIFE in Luke 10:25 – 37. Honesty is best policy.

*Powerpoint Slide – Why I wrote the books? An Explanation free ppt link

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1C3FZh5AFL2aNDy9s7TA0TphwmF7dBbpP/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103161103828141436650&rtpof=true&sd=true

I am NOT #RomanCatholic but I love the #Catholic #Chiliasm #Fathers who had NO #Prayers to #VirginMary meaning I am #Protestant like them too but this #Marriage #Abstinence by #Choice (not mandatory) be it for being a #Priest or #Pastor or just to #GIVE more in #Gospel #Work say #Charity via #Finance etc. is something #CHRIST mentioned in #Matthew1929 and I fall short but #Admire those who do it like the #Blessed #Fathers of the #Church where in comparison plenty of those in power in history #marry the #preitiest #women for themselves (even more than #1Wife and there is NO WIVES or #SEX in #HEAVEN for #CHRISTIANITY so it’s REALLY GIVING UP & not some silly pretense or #DIRTY DOCTRINES as CHRIST Taught in Luke 20:34 – 36 in the #RESURRECTION) .

Image is Slide 188 in Powerpoint*. Hidden logics behind the CHARITY DOCTRINE by LORD JESUS CHRIST

Question

How about earning 500k and donate all the money to charity..Does that more countable compared to being priest? Whats ur opinion about this statement

Good you brought it up. This can be seen across few dimensions of thought as follows:
1) Letting go of RM500k is same as giving it all to charity as well. Can you see it? Let me make it clear: If someone did “not” take the “charity” job, the RM 500k has no one to manage it, right? Priest job is like that (supposed to be in theory).

2) The reward is based on “relative measure” where by not earning that RM 500k itself is a “suffering of letting go” even “giving another person a chance to earn that RM 500k” meaning the ‘new person who earns RM 500k’ only has to answer your question whether or not to give it all to charity.

3) Relative measure also means for example even if you earn RM 50k he can ask you back, why “not” you give RM 50k all to Charity? Since you don’t do it either, he still has the upper hand of serving as a priest and possibly gave more by relative measure.

4) The reason why CHRIST Asked the Rich Man to “sell all and give to the poor” (Matthew 19:21) instead of him doing business and giving to the poor is because “living like the poor makes them equal to suffer like the poor (a priest lifestyle is like that)” and also “not exploiting the poor to work for you in lower salary etc. which every business has this sin in some measure”. This means if you continue working for RM 500k (sports industry is overly priced, exploits the addictions of people to earn money via merchandise or TV & games, makes them drunk, makes them gamble etc.) your “earning” money comes from all these which are “sin” in some way because “sin is something GOD won’t do or that is against what He has Commanded for men” (common sense will reveal that).

5) Atheists like to ask why God never directly solve poverty. Simple: “free will”. Remember that GOD did NOT even stop the “atheist” from having babies or exploiting the poor for their “prosperity” via racial advantage etc. meaning GOD Will judge at the end of the world only. For example you should condemn say a mother in a poor country having starving children meaning WHY MARRY & BREED and make CHILDREN SUFFER so that SOMEONE can TAKE CARE of YOU in YOUR OLD AGE? (SELFISH) GOD did NOT ask you to GIVE BIRTH (it’s a CHOICE) (unless she had a stable income & it vanished due to “bad” circumstance then Charity Doctrine helps it fairly).

6) Western societies became rational faster for example like silly “Helen of Troy” story in Greek myths of making the participants like “god” where their god does NOT solve hunger/poverty etc. but only gets born to have SEX with WOMEN for MARRIAGE & fight wars. Can you see the SILLINESS? The REAL GOD does NOT have “sex” with “anything” (on earth nor in heaven) and as CHRIST (GOD in FLESH) lived in absolute RENUNCIATION so is FREE from ANY MONEY SIN on earth and DIED for the SIN of the WORLD (Selfless) and was “GOD Who became MAN” and not “man who tried to become god”.

CHRIST Taught CHARITY DOCTRINE for ETERNAL LIFE in Luke 10:25 – 37 in this Parable of the Good Samaritan. Peace to you

*Powerpoint Slide – Why I wrote the books? An Explanation free ppt link

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1C3FZh5AFL2aNDy9s7TA0TphwmF7dBbpP/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103161103828141436650&rtpof=true&sd=true

#Most #Blessed #LORD #JESUS #CHRIST #Commanded #CHARITY #DOCTRINE for #ETERNAL #LIFE in the #PARABLE of the #GOOD #SAMARITAN in #Luke 10:25 – 37.

[Text] BIBLICAL KINGS do NOT “Grab ALL money and WOMEN” if they are really kings.

“… and there were kings among men …”

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Example RULES for a BIBLICAL KING (quoting Old Testament examples where some of Israel’s kings “broke” these rules shows man’s disobedience but yet the LAW of GOD remains PERFECT – can we follow it?)

1) In the TORAH (Deuteronomy 17:17), KINGs were supposed to have only 1 Wife and cannot have MUCH MONEY – how much is too much? you decide where basically anything beyond need is dangerous in “relative measure” and best to give it directly or via will to CHARITY (rules which CHRIST in New Testament Scripture agrees)

2) KINGS cannot have “POLYGAMY of many wives” (Proverbs 31:3) and “cannot drink alcohol” (Proverbs 31:4) and must do “CHARITY DOCTRINE to the poor and needy” (Proverbs 31:9) was reiterated to KING LEMUEL (Solomon/Hezekiah?) via his mother

3) CHRISTIANS who FOLLOW CHRIST (New Testament Verses say the same, please read free pdfs*) become ETERNAL KINGS in HIS KINGDOM of HEAVEN as Revelation 1:6 etc. PROPHESIES – Fair, right? (If you want it, please believe in CHRIST and follow HIS NEW TESTAMENT COMMANDS – TIME is still there to REPENT and BELIEVE the GOSPEL NOW!)

#Lord #Jesus #Christ as #KINGofkings so there are #eternal #kings in #heaven in His #KINGdom whom HE Appoints after the #Resurrection .

*Powerpoint free pdf link at 2nd last slide

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1C3FZh5AFL2aNDy9s7TA0TphwmF7dBbpP/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103161103828141436650&rtpof=true&sd=true

Peace to you

[Slide 191 in Powerpoint]. The Math of God’s Will in Finance – Well money is most people’s favourite topic, isn’t it? Why is this important? Does LORD JESUS CHRIST “KNOW” us?

Please notice carefully that CHRIST “KNEW” the “Charity Doctrine Sheep” of Matthew 25:31 – 46 even though they may “not” know the “Lord fully” as they ask back ” “… When did we see you Lord? …” who did “Charity Doctrine to Christians (opening up even NON-Elect Salvation Possibility as even the Parable of Good Samaritan (Samaritan are generally unbelievers who did the CHARITY DOCTRINE to the “wounded JEW” in Luke 10:25 – 37 breaking RACIAL/RELIGION Barrier & Christians are real “spiritual jews”) which is difficult to decide its accurate meaning so LET GOD DECIDE and we present the EVIDENCE as per Slide 188 earlier NOT as “KINGS and PRIESTS or BRIDE which are CHRISTIANS” (e.g. Revelation 1:6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 22:17, Revelation 21:9) but as “regular nations of those saved in that FINAL New Earth after Judgment Day/Book of Life results are revealed (Revelation 21:24 – 27) or thirsty who get the Water of Life Freely (Revelation 21:6, Revelation 22:17) as CHRIST Replied here that “… When you did to the least of My Brethren when they were HUNGRY/THIRSTY/NAKED/HOMELESS YOU DID it TO ME!” Proving WILL of GOD in FINANCE as CHARITY DOCTRINE in Matthew 25:31 – 46 compared to”… casting out demons, Prophesying and doing Miracles …” whom CHRIST DENIES has I NEVER KNEW you in (Matthew 7:20 – 23 for ignoring HIS SAYINGS (New Testament Commands and Traditions as Revealed in consecutive verse context in Matthew 7:24).

Not all sold what they had because one still had to live in houses and earn with lands. So the aim after the #REAL #PENTECOST (#Acts 2) was #CHARITY #DOCTRINE as the MOST Blessed Holy Spirit of God led them do #SHARE and #LIVE together (It proves the #need concept in #NewTestament against #Prosperity yet again). Bible Verses (not opinions of men below): [Please see Page 172 onward of the #DoctrineBook].

How many #Sola #Scriptura (#ScriptureAlone) adherents have a #Doctrine for such #CharityDoctrine #living via their #Church #Finances or if not via #Personal #Possessions or #income in some little way at least? (People like the #Bible part when they need to do #nothing especially #financially but #hate #God’sWill for #Money; let each examine their own life & how much money/possessions/skill/time they have spent on #CharityDoctrine without being #paid (i.e. without #salary or without #income as per this First Spirit-Filled New Testament Church in the Bible).

[Please see *PowerPoint Slides 143 to 145* too to see how GOD JUDGES FAITHFULNESS based on CHARITY DOCTRINE as CHRIST Taught Parabolically in Luke 16:10 – 12]; Let us remember that CHRIST Wrote His Love Story to Mankind with HIS BLOOD and the Apostles, Prophets and the “Church Fathers” followed likewise by “Relative Measure” given.

*Powerpoint free pdf link at 2nd last slide

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1C3FZh5AFL2aNDy9s7TA0TphwmF7dBbpP/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103161103828141436650&rtpof=true&sd=true

Peace to you

Image is Slide 192 in Powerpoint*. Conclusion – Some branches of Christianity are more accurate on some parts of doctrine than others – Let GOD Alone Judge while we present the EVIDENCE.

Whenever you see someone you “admire” as “great” please remember that the GREATEST ONE MOST BLESSED LORD JESUS CHRIST CREATED them meaning HE (God in Flesh Alone) CREATED the GREATNESS in them even if they do NOT acknowledge NOR know HIM as the famous BIBLICAL Case say of “Cyrus the Great, King of Persia” (the ‘only unbelieving Gentile ever called also as the ‘messiah’ (‘anointed one title’) in Isaiah 45:1 as I have discussed in [From Pages 959, 961, 1027, 1206, 2042 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook].

Please remember that if we don’t acknowledge GOD’s GREATNESS it does NOT affect HIM at all but only “reflects back on us” in the “final Judgment”, fair, right?

Note: I know some #Christians totally #disapprove anything from “#Bethel #Christianity”. Well, I do #NOT agree to their “#ProsperityGospel nor some of their other #practices” but some of their #Worship is Great (even if they #sell it that’s their choice well at least this #YouTube version is #free)! Similarly, I #personally think #GOD #Rewards & #Judges based on their #MERIT and #ERRORS so no one is #perfect either.

Context? Please notice that ALL Verses in image are from “Revelation Chapter 4” so they are connected. Thank you for pointing to this Worship song using Revelation 4:4,10 titled Worthy of it all – by Kelly Heiligenthal (Clickable Link):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=BgwVf-Xm4fE

“… 1After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. … 9Whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to Him who sits on the throne, who lives forever and ever, 10the twenty-four elders fall down before Him who sits on the throne and worship Him who lives forever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying: 11“You are worthy, [g]O Lord,
To receive glory and honor and power; For You created all things,
And by Your will they [h]exist and were created.” … (Revelation 4:1, 9 – 11, NKJV)

*Powerpoint free pdf link at 2nd last slide

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1C3FZh5AFL2aNDy9s7TA0TphwmF7dBbpP/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103161103828141436650&rtpof=true&sd=true

Peace to you

“Freely Give” (Matthew 10:8) is part of “Kingdom of Heaven” message as Lord #Jesus #Said. #Love the “#Teach others” (#CharityDoctrine if #unpaid / #free or teach beyond the #pay #level or #lowly paid in #relative measure when compared against others who teach lesser skill level or equal but more highly paid) as MOST BLESSED LORD #Jesus #Christ Taught in the #Gospels as “freely you have received freely give [Matthew 10:8] & be like a servant which underlines lower pay part etc. in Matthew 23:11, Luke 22:26 for #Heavenly #Reward #Context” which is “90% #Active part” in image. Finally a #pedagogy #research which #reiterated this #truth. #Thank you for #sharing . Please see Slides 191 or even Slides 143 to 145 in *Powerpoint too for more of “Christ’s Words” for “Charity Doctrine” part too.

*Powerpoint free pdf link at 2nd last slide

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1C3FZh5AFL2aNDy9s7TA0TphwmF7dBbpP/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103161103828141436650&rtpof=true&sd=true

Peace to you

Image is Slide 193 in Powerpoint*. (God in Flesh, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ Alone) CREATED the GREATNESS in them even if they do NOT acknowledge NOR know HIM as the famous BIBLICAL Case say of “Cyrus the Great, King of Persia” (the ‘only unbelieving Gentile ever called also as the ‘messiah’ (‘anointed one title’) in Isaiah 45:1 as I have discussed in [From Pages 959, 961, 1027, 1206, 2042 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]. Please notice that GOD used Prophet Isaiah himself to prophesy the coming of “Cyrus the Great” here in Isaiah 45:1 by name about 150 years BEFORE it happened!

Notice that “Cyrus” example to NON ELECT SALVATION link is “POSSIBLE” as discussed in those aforementioned pages here because everything in the BIBLE is a TYPE for CHRIST the REAL MESSIAH and “Cyrus the Great as the only UNBELIEVING Gentile called that AnointedOne/Messiah title ” is particularly interesting because GOD used CYRUS the GREAT for the Jews to rebuild the Temple as 2 Chronicles 36:23 and Ezra 6:3 – 5 reveals & Cyrus the Great is one of the FIRST to ALLOW multi religious practice in his reign (giving free will based on choosing their religion and Isaiah 45:1 SAYS YHWH (Most Blessed GOD) HIMSELF is the ONE working through Cyrus to do this FIRST UNIQUE EDICT of HUMAN RIGHTS in HISTORY, interesting, right? Whether or not NON ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY is true or not I don’t know but as usual I present the EVIDENCE honestly.

Image is Slide 194 in Powerpoint*. My simple response to Pentecostal experiences claims is this: ‘… Ask any Christian from Roman Catholic to Orthodox to Reformed to Pentecostal and they will all have some “personal” testimony in regard to how they lived in sin earlier and now they came out of it by God’s Grace and believed in the Gospel (some will even tell you how they became rich after becoming a Christian too which is the most unreliable type of testimony as CHRIST never promised that and even unbelievers to atheists are richer than them but the real fruit to focus is OBEDIENCE to HIS COMMANDS (Matthew 7:24) …’ (some loaded with supernatural encounters or healings too, me included). The difference is I know GOD’s MERCY is different from DOCTRINAL ACCURACY because the HIS MERCY can HEAL us even if we are WRONG THEOLOGICALLY but with SOME level of FAITH-ACCURACY as CHRIST Healed many like those in the Gospels itself. Only a SELF ABSORBED person will be able to FALLACIOUSLY think that their HEALING/BETTERMENT of life financially or in any way is due to their “faith” as even in the topic of money CHRIST SAID clearly DO NOT store TREASURE on earth in Matthew 6:19 but rather convert it to TRESURE in HEAVEN as Luke 12:30 – 34 REVEALS the details (meaning it’s NEVER HIS WILL for EARTHLY PROSPERITY) in NEW TESTAMENT times and so NO point in quoting OBSELETE Old Testament examples (Acts 17:30) so if we cannot give money can share “what you have” (possessions, skills, etc. as Luke 11:41 reveals).

Spiritual experiences does not necessarily mean it’s correct though real like for example the Mormon founder most likely did meet some supernatural being but it’s certainly a Devil and note that Mormons did the “non-human language” speaking in tongues even “before the pentecostal movement” and this is the scariest part: If I played a “speaking in tongues” audio from a “Mormon or other obvious ‘christian-cults'” even in a Pentecostal Church and I did “lie” to them saying this is from another “born again church” and ask them to speak in tongues together with it, I am pretty sure all of them would “not” even know it meaning it’s too risky and I don’t need to judge but not participate in these things which doesn’t affect nor edify my faith in any way. Please remember that my deceased mother was a speaking in tongues born again pentecostal and so I have no “bias” in these things but I don’t risk myself. If the pentecostal speaking in tongues turned out to be real by ‘some’, let God Reward it and have Mercy on whomever He Wills if it was all the “flesh” or even worse from the “devil” as the case of “Mormons” seem to point. Peace to you

Best is #GOD Used #King #Cyrus the #Great of #Persia to #REBUILD #Israel‘s #Temple in the past and set it free from ITS #OPPRESSORS and also CYRUS #FREED many #SLAVES and #OPPRESSED #PEOPLE ruled by #OTHER #UNJUST KINGS with NO #HUMAN #RIGHTS etc. the #CHARITY #DOCTRINE WAY of #NO #PRICE #NOR #REWARD (as #Isaiah 45:15 Reveals).

Image is Slide 196 in Powerpoint*. The Most Blessed One, GOD of Himself called “Cyrus the Great, King of Persia” as both a TYPE of His “Messiah/Anointed” and also “Shepherd” (which in Greek literally means “Pastor” too) even though “Cyrus” died a “Pagan Unbeliever” despite encounter with “Jews and Judaism etc.” which he could have converted or GOD could have made Cyrus a proselyte in Judaism (e.g. (Isaiah 56:3; Nehemiah 10:28; Esther 8:17, Exodus 12:48; 20:10; 22:21, Acts 2:11, Acts 13:43, Acts 6:5) but GOD DID NOT to show the POWER of HIS SOVEREIGNTY as Isaiah Chapters 44 and 45 Reveals (and also there were plenty of ‘God-Fearing Jews’ even in that time but GOD did NOT use any of them for this). Can you “see” it? So is he in hell? Let GOD Decide but I present the evidence and an important highlight is “how GOD used Cyrus without even the latter knowing him (see previous Slides 192 & 193) even in the CHARITY DOCTRINE WAY which is all POINTING to the REAL MESSIAH MOST BLESSED LORD JESUS CHRIST as HE GAVE HIMSELF UP for NO PRICE NOR REWARD (since HE IS GOD even before the Incarnation, Death and Resurrection) meaning HE GAINED nothing extra but CHOSE to LOVE FREELY and SUFFER the CROSS for the SIN of the WHOLE WORLD!

Image is Slide 197 in Powerpoint*. One final lesson on using “Christian Discoveries” but discriminating Christians in places where they are scarce. 1) Most modern discoveries in the world are by Christians especially from the Western World from the phone you use to the car you drive (petrol even) and machineries, computer systems etc. without which one cannot even earn a living. Please remember that other countries “copied” Christian discoveries and modified and made it their own for the most part. Little are original significant discoveries by others even in technology.

2) For example, in your local university (where knowledge is taught), look at the “textbooks”. Even if a person from your country wrote it, if you back in time you will see that he probably just “copied” the “content” from Christian Textbook authours before him. Like in Math or Science, just do a rough survey regarding how many “theorems” are discovered by your people vs Christians? It would be obvious.

3) Whether one acknowledges it or not, every day your people are earning by using these “Christian” discoveries from the car, motorcycle, computer stuff, textbooks at universities (or schools translated or copied content wise & modified even the original theorems and discoveries in science), not to forget the technological advancements used in machinery & scale productions without which one cannot even make a dime for a living which feeds your family to the money used even to build non-Christian religious places but using Christian discovered technology (from software to machineries and engines – can you see it? Not to forget the best music technologies too)

4) Example problem I faced in Math teaching: Say if you got some unique qualifications in Math (say Olympiad) but when you apply to do competition classes (not just in government schools but also in private schools or even money-grants/projects, they don’t take you) but rather give to people with “no” competition achievements or with those “lower qualifications” and so we speak up against it. Greed makes people in position of power or majority or both to ‘grab things which they don’t deserve’. I have no problem if better Math Olympians earn it but only if they teach it. I have heard in foreign countries even a person qualified for the Olympics in sports and failed gets easily to become “head of department” in such “Schools” for say “athletics” or even “the Math department”. However in some countries, they don’t even hire you. However greater the discrimination as CHRIST taught “persecuted for righteousness” (salary and opportunity wise included) merits greater rewards in the “kingdom of Heaven” in Matthew 5:10. Best is persecuted from job etc. because you spoke out for the GOSPEL and CHRISTIAN facts like this (not commenting on other religions but pointing to the merit of ours) as all these increases heavenly rewards. So similarly those who discriminate Christians with “no” Christian-Faith-Work-Merits DO NOT enter HEAVEN, fair, right?

Image is Slide 198 in Powerpoint*. NOT all Sins are the Same – Sexual Sin Example Bible Verses Survey and how to bear FRUITS WORTHY of REPENTANCE?

There is no Law prohibiting a person with “sexual sin past be it prostitutes or even adultery” to marry if he/her “never” married before. However, repentance and faithfulness is required even more strictly after marriage because the sins take higher judgment level (for example “adultery done while married” is breaking a 10 commandment (Exodus 20:14) whose judgment in the Old Testament was being “stoned to death” indicating its seriousness [Leviticus 20:10, Deuteronomy 22:22] while “fornication say with prostitutes whilst being unmarried” is breaking not a 10 commandment and hence “is not put to death” as various cases are considered say in Leviticus 19:20, Leviticus 19:29, Deuteronomy 22:28 – 29, Exodus 22:16 – 17.

Example scholarly writing agreeing with what I said above with highlight on the “prostitution” sin classes part:

“… The Old Testament. Common Prostitution. While the law forbids parents from forcing daughters into prostitution, there is no penalty attached ( Lev 19:29 ). In one case there is a penalty: If a woman has been betrothed to a man and he discovers that she is not a virgin, she may be stoned to death for prostituting herself ( Deut 22:13-21 ). These two passages lead some scholars to conclude that when two adults, neither of which was betrothed or married, consented to have sex, it was not considered a very serious crime, because no sanctions were expressed. However, before the Mosaic Law, burning was the penalty in one instance ( Gen 38:24 ). Perhaps Israelite society, like modern ones, tolerated a certain amount of prostitution, but it was clearly immoral and the sages sternly warned against it ( Prov 23:27 ; 29:3 ). Priests were held to a higher standard than non-priests for they could not marry harlots, although again, there was no specified punishment for doing so ( Leviticus 21:7 Leviticus 21:14 ). A priest’s daughter, on the other hand, could be burned for harlotry ( Lev 21:9 ); the intent of this was to keep the priestly line pure. … The New Testament. Jesus pointed out that harlots and tax collectors were quicker to repent, believe, and enter the kingdom of God than the proud religious leaders ( Matt 21:28-32 ). The prodigal son, who apparently wasted his inheritance on harlots ( Luke 15:13 Luke 15:30 ), was welcomed home when he repented (vv. 20-24). Paul warns against immorality, because he who sleeps with a prostitute becomes one with her, which is not fitting for the believer, who belongs to Christ ( 1 Cor 6:15-20 ). …”

Source: https://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/prostitution/

How to Repent?

(we take it principle of the “level of sin”, not all sin is the same as the “judgment is different and GOD Himself teaches in Verses here” where in the New Testament we do NOT stone anyone as CHRIST Taught in JOHN 8:10 – 11 but must bear “fruits worthy of repentance” in Luke 3:8 – 10 which includes CHARITY DOCTRINE first in Luke 3:11, to be CLEAN as possible from MONEY/INCOME SINS Luke 3:12 – 13 and DO NOT do EVIL & NO PROSPERITY DESIRE for MORE INCOME but be CONTENT with WHATEVER INCOME whether FAIR or NOT in Luke 3:14 as the “Real Fore-Runner for CHRIST’s ONLY “Sermon” recorded in the Bible Reveals).

Pentecostal such as #AOG versus #Reformed #Churches

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Last year in 2023, a friend from a local #Pentecostal church sent me the following where he was only confused about one part namely why his #AssembliesofGod or AOG Church called the “Reformed” Church (#CERC) founded by Blessed #JohnCalvin a #cult too?

Here’s one missed response I just recently thought of: Did you know that EVERY PENTECOSTAL #CHRISTIAN‘s #FAVOURITE #USA #PRESIDENTIAL #CANDIDATE #BILLIONAIRE Mr. #Donald #Trump is NOT Pentecostal but is from that #SAME REFORMED CHURCH (By Blessed John Calvin) which they call as a CULT? So #WHY support him then if he’s from a cult?

Example Proof Quote:

“… Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump told reporters Thursday that he attends a church in Manhattan, but the church released a statement saying the real estate developer is not an “active member.” “I am Presbyterian Protestant. I go to Marble Collegiate Church,” he told reporters in Greenville, S.C. Marble Collegiate Church was founded in 1628 and is one of the oldest continuous Protestant denominations in the country. The church is part of the Reformed Church in America denomination and is on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan. …” Source:

https://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/28/politics/donald-trump-church-member/index.html

I suggest further that next time they should #invite their #oppositions too for a “fair #debate live” (no preparation nothing if they are really #pastors as per #New #Testament style). #Peace to you

Image is Slide 199 in Powerpoint*. There are cults in Christianity (which deny Trinity to claims of new revelations etc.) but we should not simply label as we like especially NOT the REFORMED CHURCHES founded by Blessed JOHN CALVIN because they follow New Testament Traditions as it is Written more than other protestants as I know so I admire their faithfulness and quoted Calvin in my pdfs

This Verse in Luke 21:14 – 15 Reveals that CHRISTIANS DO NOT prepare for a DEBATE and is ON the SPOT. Claiming to hear from GOD directly but don’t even know half the Bible Verses or how GOD taught through say Protestant Founders such as Blessed Martin Luther, Blessed John Calvin and Blessed John Wesley as I showed in #DoctrineBook does not sound safe as some Pentecostals do. Best is by GOD’s GRACE I even showed in earlier powerpoint slides here and especially the first pages of the #LastBook how considering even NON ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY (not doctrine) as not sure is within the CHURCH FATHER QUOTES, most IMPORTANT DOCTORS of the CHURCH before 700 AD quotes including St. Augustine of Hippo and even Blessed Martin Luther and Blessed John Wesley too.

Image is Slide 200 in Powerpoint*. Biblical Secrets of Marriage – Serve GOD together and LOVE each other as oneself is Rule No. 1 but yet there is no guarantee as even Blessed John Wesley Founder of Methodist case here shows. The most intriguing secret is this: the SONG of SONGS is the only book in the BIBLE which allegorically describes the GREATEST LOVE of CHRIST and HIS BRIDE the CHURCH in ANALOGY of the PERFECT earthly HUSBAND and WIFE love between KING SOLOMON and SHULAMITE. Now what is so weird about it is that so many prophets and holier more faithful men are there BUT YET GOD CHOSE KING SOLOMON who “not” only had 700 wives + 300 concubines falling in sin see 1 Kings 11:3 even in possible HARLOTS (“HAREM” type) as Ecclesiastes 2:8 reveals TO DESCRIBE the TRUE LOVE between CHRIST and HIS CHURCH? I can only think of one reason: KING SOLOMON’s LOVE for the SCHULAMITE must have been REAL and GREAT if not SCRIPTURE would NOT be WRITTEN based on their love story, right? This means those with “bad” pasts have also HOPE to LOVE in MARRIAGE TRULY but only with GOD’s GRACE in CHRIST, right? Well if Scripture gives such hope, GOD is ABLE, right?

#Instrumental #Guitar playing with #Gospel #thoughts even with #secular #music example.

I’m with you – #Avril #Lavigne (#Freestyle #Guitar #Jamming)

#YouTube Link: https://youtu.be/6Qj15dtPqvs

All #Guitars (#rhythm, #bass, #lead) by #JonathanRamachandran

*Part of Image is Slide 192 in #free Gospel #Powerpoint in link below:

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1C3FZh5AFL2aNDy9s7TA0TphwmF7dBbpP/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103161103828141436650&rtpof=true&sd=true

Thank you for downloading and peace to you!

Wherever there is a difference, there is error.

Blessed St. Justin of Rome (St. Justin Martyr) is confident that the CHILIASM Prophecy position is part of what was directly taught in succession from the Apostles as I have pointed out in the #CHILIASMBOOK (free pdf). Who is reading St. Justin or St. Irenaeous of Lyons right we can debate with “proof” quotes from them but let GOD Decide in the end and reward or have mercy accordingly. Free pdf links list in last pages of #LASTBOOK whose link is at Slide 201 of free *Powerpoint link:

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1C3FZh5AFL2aNDy9s7TA0TphwmF7dBbpP/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103161103828141436650&rtpof=true&sd=true

Who was he by God’s Grace?

Blessed St. Justin Martyr or Blessed St. Justin of Rome or Justin of Neapolis, a Great Early Christian Apologist who is a Foremost Exponent of the Divine Word, who Influenced Virtually all of subsequent Christian philosophy and Catholic theology, Martyr for Christ, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church (c. 100AD – c. 160 AD) Peace to you

Why I love working with TeamMathics?

By Merit because they never tried to trick me in a business way for example via online class where whether or not recording is allowed?. “… I’m not financially independent to do so and I don’t own those questions (of KMC or those materials so cannot record either); only TeamMathics classes I did recording because they own the questions and Mr. Lee is a long time great friend who gives me back the same classes even though he has recording of me teaching that exact same paper last year. That I respect a lot regarding TeamMathics as they didn’t try to spoil my living but were honest even though they could have just used the recording. …”. Please contact TeamMathics via contact details in image to sign up for their classes. Better to work and support people who go by merit. Yes I judge people who deal with me based on their deeds and not their race, skin colour nor religion. Link:

https://teammathics.com.my/ . Bible Verse for this (it’s rare but sometimes men with such “fairness” do exist):

“…Though I have searched repeatedly, I have not found what I was looking for. Only one out of a thousand men is virtuous, …” (Ecclesiastes 7:28, NLT)

Peace to you

Image is Slide 201 in Powerpoint*. How to answer a #MORMON (#LDS or Latter Day Saints Church) and #WHY I chose the “#REFORMED” as the “#Safest #Church” in my opinion?

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[This text is from a recent reply to a Mormon (actually it’s the 3rd trying to convert me and if they persist I will block as I’m never interested) and am only replying so they can “#repent”]

“… Opps I just realized you’re from the LDS or Mormon. That’s a cult with full of false teaching beginning with the Book of Mormon. I advise, please repent and the safest Church practice (if you need one) would be the “Reformed Churches” founded by “Blessed John Calvin” (a major #Protestant Founder) as they don’t simply engage in “ambiguous practices” which cannot be verified either way to be true or not & they even obey Written New Testament #Traditions as it is Written proving that their character is about honoring God’s Word first & any error (if any) when I compare with Church Father’s writings say in the topic of “Non-Elect Salvation” as I have discussed in free #powerpoint and pdf books, it’s not intentional on their side even if they’re wrong because that part is “difficult” to determine either way but I believe #GOD Rewards those who are right or more accurate with “greater final #resurrection body glory as #Daniel 12:3’s Wise shine like #heavens compared to less accurate but #convert many who shine like #stars only” (so if the BIBLE compares this FINAL Resurrection Body Glory in this aspect, we should strive for it by His Grace). Regarding whether the Reformed or #ChurchFathers (who are #Doctors of the Church before 700 AD) whom I quoted for “Non-Elect Salvation #possibility” part are “right”, let GOD Decide but at least regardless (either way) we still get the “reward for #honesty” as we presented the “#evidence” as it is. Reward in Heaven is Merit according to CHRIST in Matthew 5:17 – 20 from “least” to “greatest” even among “#Christians”. All false systems do NOT base Reward based on “Merit” (ability as even qualifications can be manipulated for example unable to do Math Olympiad questions even with pHD and copying from previous CHRISTIAN discoverers (original theorems, discoveries etc.) and make it look in their home country as though ‘their race, religion or even language’ discovered more which is false (#prove it if you can like I did, e.g. Slides 183 & 185 ) and discriminate CHRISTIANS in return [Please see Slide 197 earlier], end of proof QED. Peace to you …”

Image is Slide 202 in #Powerpoint*. “Merit” Bible Verses and a recent real life example.

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For example in #Math, every “Math #Teacher/#Lecturer/#Head of #Department etc.” ought to try to solve at least one major #highschool level #MathOlympiad problem by themselves without looking at #solutions (recent example below) to realize that imagine other who can solve it by God’s Grace (indicator of “#GOD given #MERIT”) but they do NOT get a job to be promoted thus which you may have gotten (not all, judge yourselves) by say claiming having straight A students in simple school math where a man that I know (an former Math Olympian) is repeatedly given the “#worst in grade students classes” so definitely his “#KPI will look bad” compared to the “#favoured teacher given to teach the #best class” and the latter gets #promoted.

DOES it look like the #REAL GOD was behind such #SUCCESS?

The MOST Blessed LORD #JESUS CHRIST certainly does NOT do such OBVIOUS #FAKE #MANIPULATIONS which ironically is how some have their #big #salaries to #positions to this day. Perhaps to clear merit, each school (government or international) should send their “head of departments who created A students etc. claims for an actual MATH OLYMPIAD contest where paper is created by #IMO Coaches and let’s see by MERIT how many actually have the #ABILITY (#not #qualification can be #manipulated) and then re-order #salaries & position all by MERIT. #FAIR, right?

*Powerpoint free pdf link at 2nd last slide

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1C3FZh5AFL2aNDy9s7TA0TphwmF7dBbpP/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103161103828141436650&rtpof=true&sd=true

Peace to you

Sample Math Olympiad Problems done by God’s Grace (examples) as of 22 February 2024

476) Problem 476 – Euler’s Totient Function in Euler’s Theorem PMO 2024 No. 2

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475) 476Problem 475 – Area of Triangle trick when sides cut in equal ratio

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474) Problem 474 – Integer Functional Equation and its Size PMO 2024 No. 1

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Example Christian Theology debate

Question 1

infant baptism and the pagan supper are vague practices. and the wealth of the professional priest craft I question as well.

Reply 1

Origen also quoted infant baptism and universalism. So since you’re a universalist, so if Origen is wrong about infant baptism then universalism is also wrong. See the fallacy? So just because the reformed support infant baptism does not mean they are “unreliable”. In fact, Martin Luther (First Protestant) so every protestant must believe he is saved also was only baptized as an infant as I have shown in the #DoctrineBook and never rebaptized despite some asking him to do it meaning either “infant baptism” is correct or “it does NOT affect salvation as GOD cannot lead Martin Luther to err on such an important doctrine if getting it wrong means unsaved (but if wrong, it can lead to loss of rewards only).

Question 2

ever heard of the Evangel of the grace of God or the work of christ on the cross? feel safe. do you know how to read scripture. ? eternal hell, where is that in the original let alone the mythic and myriad definitions of faith and justification, safe, run for your life to christ. all you guys talk about repentance but know not the plan or definition of it. you are a mix of paganism and jewish mysticism. including the false presentation of baptism and presumptive election, and oh the marriage of state authorities to kill enemies of the reformed.

Reply 2

Whether Hell is eternal or not or whether it is eternal for some or not, let GOD decide. The myriads of strange definitions are found within your universalism concepts of faith too and many of them use Calvinism (reformed sovereignty of God theology) to prove universalism as GOD did not allow His Sovereignty theology to be strongly understood (lost in time) until the reformed came along. So their contribution is significant too. I am not a mix of any paganism nor judaism as I only quote Church Fathers and First Christianity writings which means I am a Christian open to Christian Possibilities. Paganism is what some universalism types do. The baptism part I already explain earlier with even Martin Luther example. Regarding election, I believe it’s true for His Church/Bride but am open to non-elect salvation possibility as the Church Fathers I quoted before 700 AD who are doctors of the church seem to point. So, I am honest enough to present the evidence and leave the rest to GOD instead of simply pointing fingers, calling names but with “no” Church Father “nor” protestant founder quotes but just personal view of bible verses.

Question 3

you misquote scripture and how can one who quotes church father, (so called) feel safe in a Reformed church, (so called)???

Reply 3

GOD hasn’t shown whether you are misquoting Scripture or the reformed. The Church Fathers is to be read topic by topic. It is safe in the reformed church for sure as they do not deliberately do strange stuff like telling ‘… God whispered to me …’ etc.

How reliable is #Origen? he seems to support infant baptism in quote in image here as do all #RomanCatholics, #Orthodox, and some #Protestants including #Martin #Luther (First Protestant) together with some of the #Reformed (of #JohnCalvin) even #Lutherans , #Methodists and #Anglicans too.

#WHY do all this? Because if we #only #teach those who “#pay us” and those of “#same #race/#religion/#language/#family” only #LORD #JESUS #CHRIST (not me) says NO #HEAVENLY #REWARD in Verse here in #Luke 6:32 . #Peace to #you .

GOD’s WILL for MONEY – Does your Bible read the same for these Verses? – #Quotes – #Truth is only where #Freedom of #Choice exists since #God made #freewill with #limitations but it’s enough to be #real even in a #relationship with #Him . Also #knowledge without #CharityDoctrine creates #bullies, #oppressors and every other #satanic #behaviour as MOST BLESSED #LORD #Jesus #Christ #Warned in #Luke 11:41 & from “what you have” (#not #donation #money only which can be for #pretense & #career) but yet even #He did #not remove the #Pharisees or #Priests by #Force even though #He is #God in #Flesh proving #FreeWill in anything #Real yet again. Peace to you .

*Powerpoint Slide – Why I wrote the books? An Explanation in link below (Image is Slide 180):

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1C3FZh5AFL2aNDy9s7TA0TphwmF7dBbpP/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103161103828141436650&rtpof=true&sd=true

#LastBook Free PDF download link:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wjDRr6lzDQ-4D60J8sqmDH-S60tCqQIR/view

Image is Slide 203 in Powerpoint*.

Question

Scriptures talk about liberty and freedom, not societal and religious bondages that cause fear in life.

Image is Slide 204 in Powerpoint*. Can you please prove your ‘general statements of life goals’ based in Scripture as I am going to do next here (in short, where is your Bible Verse for the “Christian Lifestyle” you or your #Church promotes as ‘God’s Will’? or is Christ “whispering” to them “new ways” against what He Himself taught in Written Scripture?) Indeed, #NewTestament #Scripture by #LordJesusChrist Directly reveals that #Unmarried (or #LeftWife) even is better than #Marriage , leaving #Wealth (#houses , #Lands etc.) is better than #Prosperity pursuits or even leaving #family relationships such as #brother #mother #father #sister etc. if to #fulfill Christ’s Commands for the #Gospel living & preaching in some way and that’s why He gave the #Hundredfold (#Reward) harvest of the Gospel only for those who do one of these in Matthew 19:29 – 30 in some way. #FollowChrist. So if really “no” fear, must live to fulfill one of these I guess by God’s #Grace even if we cannot fulfill it the #perfect way (God #Measures each). If not He would not have mentioned how the “Last shall be First” (last on earth due to renunciation lifestyle financially, relationship-wise etc. but first in heavenly hundredfold reward which is the context here “as it is #Written”. If there was another way, Christ would have made it Written Scripture and if not interested in heavenly reward, then they don’t get it for mocking God’s Way (fair, right?). Also He Said “treasure in heaven” is to be desired for where the #heart” needs to be so there is no such thing as a Christian “earthly #prosperity heart” but only “#Christian heavenly treasure heart” and the transaction is only “#Charity #Doctrine in Luke 12:30 – 34). CHARITY Doctrine is the ONLY “action” mentioned for CHRISTIANS here by CHRIST to “Seek Kingdom of God” and Reveal “Heart” and NOT an option for some by “Relative Measure” of owning something or money first. Can you see it as “It is Written”? Do we believe in CHRIST’s WORDS here or does your Bible read differently? Are we preaching the right Gospel which CHRIST PREACHED directly in Verses here? Peace to you.

*Powerpoint Slide – Why I wrote the books? An Explanation in link below:

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1C3FZh5AFL2aNDy9s7TA0TphwmF7dBbpP/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103161103828141436650&rtpof=true&sd=true

Image is Slide 205 in Powerpoint. Only TWO #types of Men – #Stingy vs #Generous?
[this #spiritual #symptom reveals ‘#truth #inside’].

#GOD has #Warned from the #Old #Testament itself even via #Prophet Isaiah that if a man does not have “#generosity” (literal word here in Isaiah 32:8) next, you have to be “careful” of the “#schemer” type of men no matter how they #worship, #pray or do #religious things which #CHRIST amplified in Luke 11:41 as shown in #Slide 203/204 earlier because no “schemer/#scoundrel/#hireling” (John 10:12 – 13) can “#fake any generosity” with “his #own money/possessions” as CHRIST specifically pointed to the Pharisees/#Priests who were doing “#Charity” out of the “#safety net” of “people’s donations/money and a safe system of #tithes for their #survival” (he mentioned tithes in this #context in Luke 11:42 – can you see the ‘#real meaning’?) and so it means we don’t need to judge but each “Christian even” need to judge themselves and see if they’re fulfilling these Bible Verses as per “God’s #FINANCE Will or not”.

1) A scoundrel/schemer always attacks the poor is not liberal/generous to make ways to help them (Isaiah 32:7 – 8).

2) CHRIST Directly taught that CHARITY is more important than TITHES in Luke 11:41 – 42 (consecutive Verses “Context”) and if He compared it, we MUST too (#FollowChrist). Can you see it “as it is Written”? CHRIST also Said here in Luke 11:41 that ALMS/CHARITY DOCTRINE from “what you have” (personal things & not donation money or other people’s things only).

Does your Bible read differently? Isaiah 32:8 in other translations all include “generosity” as core meaning because verse 7 compares the “#effect” against the “poor” – can you see it? Peace to you

Image is Slide 206 in Powerpoint. #Unintelligent #Arguments and #Beliefs do NOT bring #Glory to #God – A #Classic Example of #Humanity Claims Revisited

For example a man says against a person of religion X #converts others based on giving #food (#charity) & #laughs while he believes in being #loyal to #parent. Person of religion X replies that:

i) This man is also loyal to his parents because they gave him food (so looks #equal as this person “converted” into his “parents” because of food)orii) If this man is #loyal to parents who #abandoned him, then such a man should be loyal to anyone since he doesn’t base loyalty based on #need, right?Conclusion

So either way there’s #nothing superior about being loyal to parents if the parents themselves did “not” know the “real God” and also did the parents feed consistently anyone else of a #different #race/#religion/#denomination/#language from their #income? At least persons from religion X did that meaning they’re much “#better human beings” than parents who did “not”, right? If some parents did, then who did more by “#relative #measure” proves more true to God, fair, right? (Let God Decide this part as He MEASURES as #CHRIST SAID the #POOR WIDOW with two coins even if did #NOT feed any #GAVE MORE in Luke 21:1 – 3 meaning GOD is PERFECTLY FAIR to ALL when HE JUDGES our “HUMANITY”. Isn’t that the HIGHEST HUMANITY CHRIST TAUGHT, DID and POINTED to in #JUDGMENT #DAY VERSES in Matthew 25:37 – 43 and so if those who don’t do it & laugh at those who do it are sent to #ETERNAL #HELL even, isn’t it #FAIR? ) Peace to you

*Powerpoint Slide – Why I wrote the books? An Explanation in link below:

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1C3FZh5AFL2aNDy9s7TA0TphwmF7dBbpP/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103161103828141436650&rtpof=true&sd=true

Famous Christian 1: Avril Lavigne (Field: Music)

Denomination: Roman Catholic

If Christian Testimony was about Earthly Success …

[Disclaimer: I decided to do these posts from time to time to show that some of the best No. 1 in their fields (music, sports, technology etc.) even today are Christians from diverse denominations and to offset some “prosperity” mindset for example would a protestant become catholic knowing that the No. 1 or his favourite in his field is thus or vice versa? Personally I believe that as per Christ’s Direct Words in Matthew 19:29 – 30 or Luke 12:30 – 34, it’s “Renunciation” that leads to “Last on this earth shall be First” in the Kingdom of Heaven be it via “Charity Doctrine” and/or Fulfilling His Commands whilst doing so by “relative measure” (Luke 21:1 – 3) and not by results but effort even if no result as explained in Free Powerpoint especially in Slides 202 to 206. So discriminating Christians from job/salary or promoting your own race/religion/denomination/language etc. does “not” prove anything except that GOD gave “FreeWill and will Judge in the End of Time” especially Charity Doctrine done toward Christians as outlined in Matthew 25:31 – 46. So that’s why we encourage Charity Doctrine strongly as the fruit CHRIST Wants unto Eternal Life].

These “earthly success” testimonies sounds “bigger” than the “small” job promotion/salary a person attending your Church faithfully ever got. So why bother?

1) Example Quote

“… Avril Lavigne never thought she’d be on Christian radio. But the former pop-punk princess found herself there last October, when her uplifting anthem “Head Above Water” became an unexpected crossover hit on Billboard’s Hot Christian Songs chart, peaking at No. 2. “I loved that,” Lavigne says, laughing. “But I’m not surprised because that’s where I got my start and how it all began. I grew up in a small town (in Ontario, Canada) singing in church, so it made me very happy. And needless to say, it made my parents very happy, too.” Although her strict Catholic upbringing eventually soured her on attending church (“They were really long services, and I was always so hungry,” she jokes), Lavigne says she still has her “own personal relationship with God, where I’m not a crazy Bible-thumper, but I do have faith.” Her spirituality has only deepened in the past few years, following a life-threatening battle with Lyme disease. The illness, which she contracted from a tick, causes extreme fatigue and joint pain and left the singer bedridden for months. She recalls one particular night during that time – lying in bed with her mom, feeling weak and convinced she was dying – that she was inspired to write “Head Above Water,” which is also the title of her new album, out Friday (her first since 2013). …”

Source:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2019/02/14/avril-lavigne-lyme-disease-battle-comeback-album-head-above-water/2871284002/

2) Another quote:

“… I have to fight to keep my image really me … I rejected some gorgeous publicity shots because they just didn’t look like me. I won’t wear skanky clothes that show my booty, my belly or my boobs. I have a great body. — Lavigne on her image early in her career[19] …”

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avril_Lavigne

#Famous #Christians #FamousChristian1 #Avril #Lavigne #Music #Rock #Roman #Catholic #Church #Earthly #Success #Testimony vs #Renunciation #Prosperity vs #Charity #Doctrine #Case #Studies .

Image is Slide 206 in Powerpoint. WHY would GOD Want “Renunciation” to give it “Highest Hundredfold Final Heavenly Rewards” as “Love in Action”? as we saw especially in Slides 200 to 206 earlier?

The “price of anything is amount of life you give for it” (Henry David Thoreau’s quote) is Biblical in light of these “Bible” Verses:

CHRIST’s OWN WORDS points in Luke 6:20, 24 where “only POOR vs RICH” are compared “so financially” for “HEAVEN and not” meaning ‘CHARITY DOCTRINE’ when seen with HIS OTHER WORDS (from Luke 12:30 – 34, Luke 11:41 – 42, Luke 16:9, Luke 10:25 -37 to even JUDGMENT DAY Verses Matthew 25:31 – 46 as NO other “religious act other than CHARITY” is common to all these Verses so “poor in spirit” of Matthew 5:3 means this primarily too). CHARITY to share either EARTHLY or SPIRITUAL GOODS for FREE (not when “paid or with salary” only) as proof of GOD’s LOVE AGAPE as even 1 John 3:16 – 18 calls it EMULATING CHRIST’s LOVE (not salvation by works). The GOSPEL is PREACHING about CHRIST and also PREACHING what HE TAUGHT. CHRIST’s LOVE for HIS BRIDE (WIFE/CHRISTIANS) is GREATEST so HE GIVES her MOST & you can do that too so but HE COMMANDED to LOVE even ENEMIES for FULL REWARD so we can love say WIFE/FAMILY in the LORD MOST but must include those of DIFFERENT RELIGION/LANGUAGE/RACE/DENOMINATION etc. with CHARITY for Reward as He Asked back in Luke 6:32 – 34 & this context which includes “enemies” too (Matthew 5:43 – 48). The right Gospel reveals “heaven” is “difficult/narrow” and only a “few” do all this (Matthew 7:13 – 15).

Relative Measure Christian Ministry Example as Christ Taught in Luke 21:1 – 3: (If 2 persons came to you to convert & baptize & you taught them Scripture & Doctrine with that especially without taking any love offering etc., it’s the same if 10000 came to you likewise – can you see it? Parable of Christ in Matthew 20:1 – 16 even for “1 hour work or 12 hours” which is based on ‘relative measure’ – fair to all, right?).

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So any Christian can baptize others based on the “Great Commission” (Matthew 28:19 – 20) and “earliest rules of the Church” (details in “P/S later”) where we must not forget the “teaching them to observe all that I commanded you part” (indicating ‘same rules’ given in New Testament Scripture with “no” modern new ones as must be given to apostles back then, can you “see” it? in Matthew 28:20 which some modern churches change for example new testament traditions or even skipping Charity Doctrine is not safe). Whether the persons whom we baptize follow or not or fall away as per the Parable of the Sower’s ‘failed’ bad grounds (Matthew 13), that’s between them and God and our part is done!

For example Blessed Charles Spurgeon (nicknamed “Prince of Preachers” taught likewise and was “never ordained” as a ‘pastor’ via any denomination nor bible school even though he was the one who popularized the ‘pastor’ title – did you know? and did Charity Doctrine with almost all money he received from “donations/ministry”), example quotes:

i) “… Baptists had a long tradition of ordaining ministers, for example, but Spurgeon managed to get his church to omit this step—he never was ordained. He campaigned arduously to do without the customary title, Reverend, and he eventually succeeded in replacing it with Pastor.. …” Source:

https://christianhistoryinstitute.org/magazine/article/what-did-spurgeon-believe

ii) “… The injunctions of the Saviour are perpetual in their obligation; they were not binding upon apostles merely, but upon us also, and upon every Christian does this yoke fall, “Go ye, therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.” We are not exempt to-day from the service of the first followers of the Lamb; our marching orders are the same as theirs, and our Captain requires from us obedience as prompt and perfect as from them. Oh that his message may not fall upon deaf ears, or be heard by stolid souls! …”

Source:

https://www.spurgeon.org/resource-library/sermons/the-missionaries-charge-and-charta/#flipbook/

iii) “… Spurgeon founded sixty-six ministries with the money generated from his book and sermon sales. Some of these ministries included two orphanages, a book fund, a clothing drive, numerous almshouses, nursing homes, Sunday schools for the blind and for children, ministries to policemen and fallen women, among dozens more. …”

Source: https://www.spurgeon.org/resource-library/blog-entries/4-reasons-spurgeon-died-poor/

iv) “… The Metropolitan Tabernacle was the largest church edifice of its day. Spurgeon continued to preach there several times per week until his death 31 years later. He never gave altar calls at the conclusion of his sermons, but he always extended the invitation that if anyone was moved to seek an interest in Christ by his preaching on a Sunday, they could meet with him at his vestry on Monday morning. …”

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Spurgeon

Our message of the Gospel is Simple: Believe in Lord Jesus Christ and Live the Charity Doctrine He Commanded by Loving one another in Action (which is the meaning of the Two Greatest Commandments of Love God & Love your neighbor as yourself, e.g. Mark 12:29 – 31) which fulfills all Law (Torah, Galatians 5:14) and is God’s Will for Eternal Life (Luke 10:25 – 37).

We leave it to your own will whether which church one decides to attend formally or whether one decides not to attend church but only believers’ gatherings by assembling together informally. We do not solicit any money for these purposes and if you feel like giving anything to God, please Give to the Poor as we do not accept any donations of any kind.

All Glory to God.

If anyone wants to be Baptized, please feel free to contact us via Facebook Messenger or WhatsApp (+6010 – 8803 763), thank you.

Here are our other Baptism Videos for Encouragement:

11) Mr. Yogeswaran

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10161578001832784&id=651792783

10) Ms. Keerthi Rai

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10161218448017784&id=651792783

9) Mr. Praba Karan

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10161197821862784&id=651792783

8.) Ms. Karthi Ann
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10161162852767784&id=651792783

7) Mr. Uren Raj

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10161158047922784&id=651792783

6) Mr. Melvin

https://www.facebook.com/jonathan.ramachandran/videos/174156758091815/

5) Mr. Ganesan (Sean)

https://www.facebook.com/651792783/posts/10160727351302784/

4) Ms. Anna

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10160058130542784&id=651792783

And

3) Mr. Yuhisern
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10159618718422784&id=651792783

2) Mr. Adrian

https://web.facebook.com/jonathan.ramachandran/videos/10159121762357784/

1) Mr. Raja and Mr. Vickram

https://web.facebook.com/jonathan.ramachandran/posts/10159117472717784

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Peace to you

P/S: We don’t put any additional rules for Baptism

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The Scripture Way is like this as Blessed Apostle St. Philip demonstrates “as it is Written” in Verses below:

“… 35Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning at this Scripture, preached Jesus to him. 36Now as they went down the road, they came to some water. And the eunuch said, “See, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?” 37[f]Then Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.” 38So he commanded the chariot to stand still. And both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him. …” (Acts 8:35 – 38, NKJV)

Peace to you

Image is Slide 209 in #Powerpoint.

#Marriage and #Gospel #Command Pursuits (e.g. #Charity Doctrine etc.) via the life of two great #protestants Blessed John #Wesley (main founder of #Methodist Churches) and Blessed Charles #Spurgeon (the “#Prince of #Preachers”). Fast Summary: Wesley’s marriage failed (Slide 200 earlier) while Spurgeon’s marriage was good (because instead of #millions he only left his wife Susannah just little and gave rest for Charity Doctrine – what a woman of God!, selfless). If a woman is from modern Christianity hungry about “#financial #prosperity” putting pressure on husbands instead of trying to “work & give more” & support “Charity Doctrine”, best is to NOT marry instead of wasting your life for fulfilling silly prosperity desires which have nothing to do with Lord #Jesus Christ. Perhaps John Wesley fulfilled Matthew 19:29’s “Left Wife” & got “#Hundredfold” reward for the “Gospel” for “such #reasons”. If Spurgeon, Wesley and Church Fathers are not #false #prophets, their #errors (if any) will not lead to #hell if we follow them, right? They follow #Scripture more than others.

Lessons from one of the best whom GOD approved and brought the Gospel to so many people & pastors etc. via Charles Spurgeon so following his ways for these parts as per Bible Verses quoted will not lead us to hell, right? Notice that for #non-#elect salvation part we consider #Church #Fathers & are #neutral so no condemnation either but #honesty with #evidence.

i) NO need any human ordainment systems (Bible School to Church) to do Gospel Work (both ways okay)”… Baptists had a long tradition of ordaining ministers, for example, but Spurgeon managed to get his church to omit this step—he never was ordained. He campaigned arduously to do without the customary title, Reverend, and he eventually succeeded in replacing it with Pastor.. …”Source:https://christianhistoryinstitute.org/magazine/article/what-did-spurgeon-believeii) Any Christian can baptize (not priests and pastors only since Matthew 28:19 – 20’s command refers to all believers unless then only priests/pastors should preach Gospel because both are mentioned in same verse – can you see it here below as Spurgeon taught same?)”… The injunctions of the Saviour are perpetual in their obligation; they were not binding upon apostles merely, but upon us also, and upon every Christian does this yoke fall, “Go ye, therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.” We are not exempt to-day from the service of the first followers of the Lamb; our marching orders are the same as theirs, and our Captain requires from us obedience as prompt and perfect as from them. Oh that his message may not fall upon deaf ears, or be heard by stolid souls! …”Source:https://www.spurgeon.org/resource-library/sermons/the-missionaries-charge-and-charta/#flipbook/iii) Charles Spurgeon never had any altar calls nor claimed the “Holy Spirit” told him something “new” which is how ‘some women sometimes try to control systems claiming God told them something to manipulate say their husbands in marriage to follow their “prosperity desires” to going against New Testament prohibitions on women (e.g. 1 Corinthians 14:34, 1 Timothy 2:12) which both Spurgeon and Wesley upheld as I have shown in #Doctrinebook or manipulate Church order in general”… The Metropolitan Tabernacle was the largest church edifice of its day. Spurgeon continued to preach there several times per week until his death 31 years later. He never gave altar calls at the conclusion of his sermons,. …”Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Spurgeon“… “I have heard many fanatical persons say the Holy Spirit revealed this and that to them. Now that is very generally revealed nonsense. The Holy Ghost does not reveal anything fresh now. He brings old things to our remembrance. …” – Blessed Charles Spurgeon (the “Prince of Preachers”)Source: https://hearspurgeon.com/5-2iv) Charity Doctrine somehow is done knowingly or unknowingly by No. 1 Christians (proving “Doctrine of Election” for this “Doctrine part” as not only Charles Spurgeon here but John Wesley too was heavy into it)”… Spurgeon founded sixty-six ministries with the money generated from his book and sermon sales. Some of these ministries included two orphanages, a book fund, a clothing drive, numerous almshouses, nursing homes, Sunday schools for the blind and for children, ministries to policemen and fallen women, among dozens more. …”Source: https://www.spurgeon.org/resource-library/blog-entries/4-reasons-spurgeon-died-poor/Further example proof quotes in clickable link below with links to baptism videos etc.:https://www.facebook.com/jonathan.ramachandran/posts/pfbid02hCjff5P9opU4aBteSY7svCGGC2PRunQyXafikaAQh57cm2goCy5pGYQXZ7ZBKR5clPowerpoint Slide – Why I wrote the books? An Explanation in link below (Image is Slide 209):https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1C3FZh5AFL2aNDy9s7TA0TphwmF7dBbpP/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103161103828141436650&rtpof=true&sd=true#LastBook Free PDF download link:https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wjDRr6lzDQ-4D60J8sqmDH-S60tCqQIR/viewTQ

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Image is Slide 210 in Powerpoint.

Sola Scriptura – “Fruits Worthy of Repentance” Meaning (if God wanted to include any other meaning, He would have included it in Scripture, right?); also, no denomination of Christianity can claim to preach “fruits” doctrine right (if they really “care” for souls going to the “fires of hell” as they claim unless they preach these BIBLE VERSES (not opinions) using the WORD “FRUIT” (if you don’t see this word, the Verse is not talking about it or is NOT the Primary meaning) and BEST is by MOST BLESSED LORD JESUS CHIST and His Fore-Runner (real one), John the Baptist! (only then we have preached this part right)

1) Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (KING of kings and LORD of lords, GOD in FLESH)

MANY (not few) will be REJECTED from “ENTERING HEAVEN” (Context) will also think that “fruit is converting many with prophesying, casting out demons and miracles” (Matthew 7:20 – 23) instead of “HIS COMMANDS” (“His Sayings” refer to those found in Bible say heavy CHARITY DOCTRINE from Matthew 5 to 7 here even toward enemies etc. as we have seen in earlier slides) as Matthew 7:24 points clearly “as it is Written”. “Lawlessness” is rejecting anything CHRIST Taught to “DO” (Action thing meant) in next verse Matthew 7:24.

2) Blessed St. John the Baptist (Fore-Runner for CHRIST) whom CHRIST Himself called as the best born among women on earth now and Christians only greater than that in heaven sinless body onward (Luke 7:28) and with “Elijah Anointing” (Matthew 17:11) but yet even he is NOT even worthy of Christ’s Sandals level (Luke 3:16). “Fruits” worthy of repentance context else thrown into “fire” of judgment (Luke 3:8 – 9). Which Fruit? The No.1) “Fruit” mentioned is “CHARITY DOCTRINE” by ‘relative measure’ of having how much ( “as it is Written”) in Luke 3:10 – 11 (Consecutive Verses context). Holiness in financial earning and contentment (not “Prosperity Gospel”) is “Fruit” needed too (Luke 3:12 – 14).

Peace to you

Never thought someone would point me to this quite popular #Bible Teacher – Mr. #Zac #Poonen (image is from his Church Belief Statement , link next) where the #surprising thing is I have so #many “#common #doctrinal #stance” (except for #Non-Elect Salvation I have to keep it as a “#possibility” due to #ChurchFathers #Evidence). Source Post:

https://www.facebook.com/jonathan.ramachandran/posts/pfbid02GovTUAGZfFdhTvyc462ptwc2KdQDQHYH9757kC6UKkrbAxbJ3uashAg8zYYtKgNzl

Examples:

1) Zac Poonen’s statement of #faith is very safe, link:

https://nccf.church/About.aspx

2) Zac Poonen is even affirmed by this hardcore #reformed theology group whom I used to refer sometimes as follows, example quote:

“… If you are here to bring a brother’s perceived shortcomings to everyone’s attention then I would ask you to reconsider, we have enough of that type here already and they bring no fruit to bear here. But to answer your question, Zac Poonen is one of the best Bible teachers I have ever heard. He is what I would truly call a “teacher” and the Lord’s anointing is clearly upon his ministry. I thank God for Zac Poonen. InChrist,
Ron _________________
Ron Halverson …”

Source: https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=43213&forum=35

3) Zac Poonen is in the middle regarding “Pentecostal speaking in tongues etc.” which is similar to Rev. Billy #Graham and the position I adapted too as well (so very safe as well both ways), to quote:

“… One important point which is always overlooked, is that Pentecostals in their beginings were in dispute with Holiness people at that time, and the Holiness people would never share a platform with them because of the disagrement over what happens at the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. Pentecostals said it brought power and the evidence of tongues, though Zac is more moderate like others in saying that the scriptures say that not all speak in tongues. …”

Source: https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=43213&forum=35

4) Zac Poonen’s position on “no women pastors/elders” over church with men but women can be pastors over women is what I believe as well apart from observing #New #Testament #Traditions which he affirms fully these #Written #Scripture in Video below so clearly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF3fQdFTDCM

5) I even found this where Zac Poonen’s preaching the same I believe in regard to though I can disagree to some Christian #denominations but I can still accept them doing it (like my late mother was #Pentecostal) since God’s Grace is bigger and he teaches the same even in marriage context, link:

Title: Accepting Our Partners as They Are in Marriage Zac Poonen

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/accepting-our-partners-marriage-zac-poonen-christopher-jesudason/

6) Zac Poonen also preaches “#Charity #Doctrine” (without using that term) for example where he even quotes John ##Wesley (main founder of Methodist Churches) in that famous quote of “give all you can” around 1 hour 4 minutes 13 seconds onward apart from many other examples there, link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEQtOQRvw5s

Peace to you

Image 211 in #Powerpoint. There is “no” holiness until “#financial #holiness” is achieved as #CHRIST Taught FIRST and Apostles #Peter and #Paul #WARNED too

1) What did LORD JESUS CHRIST (God in FLESH, KING of kings & LORD of lords) Teach for FINANCIAL HOLINESS?

Some are “#outwardly holy” (abstain from #sins e.g. #not a #thief, not committing #adultery, not doing #murder etc.) but they SIN in #FINANCE especially as the Pharisees as Priests take CHURCH Money/Donations/Love offerings and use it for “#Prosperity” instead of #CHARITY #DOCTRINE as CHRIST Revealed in Verses below that “WITHOUT CHARITY DOCTRINE (“#Alms” from “what you have” i.e. personal possessions money or skill etc. and NOT via other people’s donation money only like the Pharisees did), , the #INSIDE is #UNCLEAN” as it is #void of #JUSTICE & #LOVE of GOD in Luke 11:39 – 45, #SOLA #SCRIPTURA (all #BIBLE Verses):
[From Page 168 onward of the #LastBook]

“… [39Then the Lord said to him,] “Now you Pharisees make the OUTSIDE OF THE CUP and DISH CLEAN, but YOUR INWARD PART is full of [k]GREED and WICKEDNESS. 40FOOLISH ones! Did not He who made the outside make the inside also? 41But rather GIVE ALMS of [l]SUCH THINGS AS YOU HAVE; then indeed ALL THINGS ARE CLEAN TO YOU. 42“But woe to you Pharisees! For YOU TITHE mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and PASS BY JUSTICE and the LOVE of GOD These you OUGHT TO HAVE DONE, WITHOUT LEAVING THE OTHERS UNDONE. 43Woe to you Pharisees! For you love the [m]best seats in the synagogues and greetings in the marketplaces. 44Woe to you, [n]scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like graves which are not seen, and the men who walk over them are not aware of them.” …” – The GREATEST ONE, The ONLY KING, GOD in FLESH, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 11:39 – 45, NKJV)

“MANY” (not few) in CHRISTIANITY will exploit in “GREED” meaning take your money/prosperity false prophecies like ‘God is going to make you rich’ if you give to their church or them or God etc. (2 Peter 2:2 – 3).

GODLINESS makes NO ONE RICH but #CONTENTMENT DOES (regardless of income). Notice it is NOT Written the “Prosperity Gospel” claim that bigger the “GODLINESS”, GOD will give BIGGER #INCOME. In fact, the FALSE TEACHERS are GODLY OUTWARDLY as 1 Timothy 6:5 – 6 says that and they show WEALTH and preach that – So they become FINANCIALLY #UNHOLY as their minds are corrupt with such theology – can you see it “as it is #Written” here?

The “few” who find “life” go by a “difficult” way of life for CHRIST (Matthew 7:13 – 14). I wonder whether the “MANY” who fail to “enter heaven”, some may be #SAVED by #FIRE (1 Corinthians 3:15) as #NON-ELECT SALVATION on FINAL NEW EARTH (Revelation 21:24 -26) but NOT Bride/ELECT in HEAVEN (Revelation 21:9) as earlier Slides discuss with #CHURCH #FATHER quotes too. Peace to you

Image is Slide 212 in #Powerpoint . #Conclusion Why do I take the #earliest #CHILIASM #CHURCH #FATHERS CHURCH HISTORY as POSSIBLY MOST #ACCURATE? Source Post:

https://www.facebook.com/jonathan.ramachandran/posts/pfbid0MxWJhep4T7GXjUM4cdGPmtkv2zV1VKbqUKgDMQ8KoAYUqGrGFRDXDRBdn2jcqD62l

Powerpoint Slide – Why I wrote the books? An Explanation in link below (Image is Slide 212):

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1C3FZh5AFL2aNDy9s7TA0TphwmF7dBbpP/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103161103828141436650&rtpof=true&sd=true

Main #Reasons (note that I’m a “#Protestant”):

If someone claims all of Church History is tampered by “Roman Catholics + Orthodox”, then basically 1600 years before the Reformation or 1900 years before the Pentecostal movement etc., GOD never exercised HIS #SOVEREIGNTY and allowed the whole “Church” to go to #HELL or be #WRONG is it?

Same way all the “pitiful” modern #women pastor excuses such as “they are Pentecostal missionaries” to even anything else also has equally NO VALUE because you forgot that 1900 years without any #PENTECOSTAL-SPEAKING in TONGUES type of CHRISTIANITY, only a ROMAN CATHOLIC + ORTHODOX + REFORMED TYPE with OLD Lutheran and OLD Methodist etc. WITH NO WOMEN PASTORS NOR SPEAKING in TONGUES DID the #HARDEST #EVANGELISM bringing the #GOSPEL to NEW LANDS for the FIRST TIME etc. (forgot is it?)

So, if all those attempt to FULFILL the #GREAT #COMMISSION FAILED with #martyrs etc. (according to some modern Pentecostals/protestants) then what is the guarantee that their “type” of Christianity likewise is “not a failure” too in GOD’s EYES since going by THEIR #LOGIC GOD can allow CHRISTIANITY to ERR for 1900 years to be NOT #SAVED even then?

Notice that as I have shown in the free Powerpoint and FREE PDF Books a lot of CHILIASM PROPHECY & DOCTRINE CHURCH FATHER QUOTES are the EARLIEST KNOWN CHURCH HISTORY (e.g. St. Papias disciple of Apostle St. #John, St. #Ireneaous of Lyons, St. #Justin Martyr (St. Justin of Rome), #Tertullian, St. #Ambrose of Milan converter of St. #Augustine too who was once a CHILIASM type too, St. #Methodius of Olympus, St. #Melito of Sardis, etc. < 500 AD …) and #BEST is they #CONTRADICT ROMAN CATHOLIC/ORTHODOX is CHILIASM PROPHECY context too meaning it may NOT be tampered with then.

Please read the powerpoint, books & proof quotes first before pointing me out as a #false #teacher.

Remember, even if I turned out wrong, it won’t be charged simply because my beliefs/possibilities are based on #EVIDENCE & quotes meaning they are #HONEST and not something out a claim of one man such as Pentecostal’s Charles Parham etc. without which they movement would not have existed (talking about following men, aren’t each one of us following another person’s “personal experience claims” or “our own experiences” etc. otherwise?)

So what I believe is DOCTRINAL accuracy determines final #resurrection body glory (#heavens-level shining) more than conversions (#stars – level –#lower) (Bible compares in Daniel 12:3 and so must we) and #ELECT can be #DECEIVED but they are STILL SAVED (Matthew 24:24) and hence “I let them believe whatever they want (#freewill) as I do likewise”.

Notice also carefully that the ELECT are MOSTLY DECEIVED by SIGNS and WONDERS (“#Miracles”) CLAIM as GOD in FLESH, LORD #JESUS CHRIST Pointed out in Matthew 24:24 (so be careful). Peace 2 u.

#LastBook Free PDF download link:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wjDRr6lzDQ-4D60J8sqmDH-S60tCqQIR/view

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P/S: The LAST SLIDE (Slide 213 in powerpoint.).

#Apostles and #Prophets can have #ZERO #Prophecy #ERRORS for if not, one becomes a “false prophet” while #Bible #Teachers, #Evangelists, #Pastors etc. levels can have error & mercy if they are sincerely wrong (1 Corinthians 12:28, Ephesians 4:11). Source Post:

https://www.facebook.com/jonathan.ramachandran/posts/pfbid0vbmnSLY6WKF4Z8JMFPPZn95Rh8PNb9YkgFh4P3p8i6QZrr6GNSwgLoGVyFoWFD8Cl

Powerpoint Slide – Why I wrote the books? An Explanation in link below:

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1C3FZh5AFL2aNDy9s7TA0TphwmF7dBbpP/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103161103828141436650&rtpof=true&sd=true

If someone says that those with “errors” are automatically “unsaved” or if the “Elect” cannot be “deceived” (based on Matthew 24:24 as discussed in Slide 212 earlier), then say 1000 years before the reformation (between 500 AD to 1500 AD) almost NO #ELECT existed since only a praying to VIRGIN MARY #CHRISTIANITY existed & did the Great Commission bringing #Gospel first time into many foreign lands even?

Here’s a Bible secret which #GOD HIMSELF allowed as PROPHECY ERROR without BEING a FALSE PROPHET namely “if one is willing to ADMIT that it’s ONE’s OWN #ORACLE (“Prophecy attempt” say in #interpretation as I have done for #NON ELECT SALVATION #POSSIBILITY based on #CHURCH FATHER Quotes, early #JEWISH CHRISTIANITY WRITINGS & #EVIDENCES)”, then JEREMIAH 23:36 ALLOWS me to ERR without BEING #CONDEMNED.

However, if a “so called prophet” gives a “prophecy” by claiming “GOD told him/her” as frequently occurs especially in the PENTECOSTAL movement as they quote “HE (God) SAYS” etc. if even for one prophecy GOD did NOT tell them, in this ‘same context’ via Prophet Jeremiah GOD WARNED #ETERNAL UNFORGIVENESS can CONDEMNATION in JEREMIAH 23:38 – 40 as the ‘Greatest #UNFORGIVABLE SIN is just WORDS against the MOST BLESSED #HOLY SPIRIT of GOD’ and this alone determines who is on CHRIST‘s side or not as verse 30 implies (in Matthew 12:30 – 32).

Jeremiah 23:26 – 40, NKJV notice the word “#Olam” mentioned twice as “#everlasting” & “#perpetual” here in JUDGMENT Verse 40 used for ETERNAL Hell too elsewhere. Slide 128 earlier gives a prophecy by St. #Clement of Rome (disciple of Apostle St. #Peter) that the #majority of Church can be in error. Did you know?

Example of how serious this is: Imagine “Preaching the Gospel” but we cannot even agree regarding how CHRIST Returns (‘secret-coming+pre-trib rapture+public coming later’ as almost all speaking in tongues-#Pentecostals & modern protestants such as #brethrens etc. claim (usually quoting the HOLY SPIRIT told them directly even (Jeremiah 23:38 – 40 risk)’ versus (post-trib-one-public-second-coming as all Church Fathers from St. #Augustine of Hippo (Slide 129) or CHILIASM & non-CHILIASM fathers too (Slide 20) to all Protestant Founders even from Martin #Luther, John #Calvin and John #Wesley, #Spurgeon etc. ([proofs in Page 180 onward of the #DoctrineBook]) with same divide here on “women pastors” [proof in Pages 142 onward in #DoctrineBook too as almost all modern Pentecostals allow it while NONE of Church Fathers NOR Protestant Founders allow it]..with NONE usually quoting the Holy Spirit told them (Jeremiah 23:26 #safe route).

So who is the “#false prophet” here as it cannot be that GOD Spoke both, right?

#LastBook Free PDF download link:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wjDRr6lzDQ-4D60J8sqmDH-S60tCqQIR/view

Peace to you

Image is Slide 214 in #Powerpoint. A final note regarding why I am #neutral about the #Pentecostal movement with their speaking in tongues & “God told me claims” etc. or Roman #Catholics/#Orthodox who pray to Virgin Mary etc. is because I believe GOD can save the #ELECT with error but WHO and to which EXTENT, #GOD DECIDES.

Source Post:

https://www.facebook.com/jonathan.ramachandran/posts/pfbid0xrVsxdsdHHWA4KHKmw2mhZKLmLP11AUiMPFuCHtK2xkq4A8NYu84VsfyxmMJ4VjYl

Powerpoint Slide – Why I wrote the books? An Explanation in link below:

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1C3FZh5AFL2aNDy9s7TA0TphwmF7dBbpP/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103161103828141436650&rtpof=true&sd=true

Also that’s why I said that the #REFORMED seems to be the SAFEST Church for me because they take NO SUCH #RISKS. Example: Rev. Billy #Graham was NEUTRAL toward the Pentecostals and DID NOT speak in tongues like this as I am doing here whilst even BELIEVING in #NON ELECT SALVATION #POSSIBILITY (please see #SLIDE 76 earlier). So if I am a “hypocrite” to take such a stand, is Rev. Billy Graham (America/USA’s No. 1 Evangelist of all time) likewise a #hypocrite too?

Before calling me a #false #prophet please read the Powerpoint and free pdfs with evidences carefully with #Church Father quotes & early #Jewish Christian writings and as I said, I am only presenting the evidence and GOD in JEREMIAH 23:36 ALLOWS a person to do so in PROPHECY/ORACLE CONTEXT where even if #WRONG (let GOD Decide one day as per Slide 213 earlier) it’s NOT considered a “condemnation” vs the “GOD told me so type prophets who are plenty in the Pentecostal movement” (Jeremiah 23:31) to whom the RISK of #ETERNAL CONDEMNATION (Hebrew “Olam” used twice in Jeremiah 23:38 – 40’s WARNING where same word is used elsewhere for “Eternal Hell”, e.g. Daniel 12:2).

Regarding say like “#Hundredfold” Final Reward level (highest in heaven), I believe say in a man (e.g. non-Pentecostal) who LEFT his PARENTS (who are Pentecostal) for CHRIST’s SAKE (Doctrinal accuracy) by NOT agreeing to ‘their doctrinal ways’, living separately if needed to etc. as CHRIST TAUGHT in Matthew 19:29.

Please notice if that “non-Pentecostal man was wrong” and those “Pentecostal parents right” who likewise ‘kept away or denounced him for CHRIST’ then they get that hundredfold level instead for LEFT CHILDREN part so GOD is PERFECTLY FAIR without PARTIALITY, can you see it? Please remember as per evidence by the first person through whom this Pentecostal speaking in tongues gift was given back to Christianity in that first incident of claiming to speak & write in “Chinese” via Mr. Charles #Parham (slides 48, 49, 185) does it look like the #HOLY SPIRIT wrote #CHINESE here?

Please remember, the Blasphemy against the HOLY SPIRIT includes claiming things which they HOLY SPIRIT never Did/Said is #UNFORGIVEN (Matthew 12:30 – 32).

Being neutral but presenting evidence is risk-free like what I do (and GOD UNDERSTANDS with #EVIDENCE not EMPTY CLAIMS). How else can GOD test we LOVE say PARENT or CHILDREN or HIM more unless say a DOCTRINAL difference exists? NO need to leave say a WIFE if she believes same, right? Etc.

Peace to you

Example Evidence of that “First” Pentecostal Speaking in tongues incident which looks RISKY

To quote:

There’s no silly #new #age teaching called “#Law of #Attraction” etc. but only “#Time and #Chance” (#Probability) as #GOD Ordained it such to #ALL (not some, so no special cases here, Ecclesiastes 9:11) so that #nothing can be #predicted & coincidences are claimed as proof fallaciously so that the #Doctrine of #Contentment holds regardless of #wealth level (1 Timothy 6:6) where #Riches is judged based on #CharityDoctrine (Luke 12:30 – 34, 48 or 1 Timothy 6:18 – 19) as the #NewTestament #Bible Teaches. The only “god” that can be “predicted” is a “puppet of people’s imagination meaning they themselves are trying to become god by commanding things to their favour” (#Satan‘s oldest #lie: ‘you are a god’ [Genesis 3:5]).

Peace to you

[Text] Question
Why is St. #Augustine [of Hippo] considered the most important #Church F#ather instead of #Irenaeus, the one who pioneered the Four-#Gospel #Canon, and who skillfully navigated #Christianity between myriad conflicting voices to establish a widely accepted #religion?

It’s because St. Ireneaous of Lyons’s Writings were not very well known in later times and more importantly sidelines because they contained #CHILIASM P#ROPHECY POSITION which the Roman #Catholic Church was shying away from and so did the #Orthodox due to “#Origen of Alexandria’s influence” as no earlier name in time can be quoted apart from possibly #Clement of Alexandria (but till today I haven’t seen quote for that, so I doubt it) and even so St. Ireneaous is earlier in time still & more from the distinguished lineage of the Blessed #Apostles’ successors such as St. #Polycarp and he quotes St. #Justin of Rome (St. Justin Martyr) to be holding the same beliefs as him where St. Justin’s CHILIASM PROPHECY quote as I have shown say in Pages 175 or 616 of the free pdf [#ChiliasmBook], link:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IzLcp1E-YoDtpAGY9qfnLeCL7ojc6-nj/view?usp=sharing

(why is quoting earlier Church Fathers important for “Prophecy” Context? “… you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture comes from one’s own interpretation. …” (2 Peter 1:20, NKJV) – now whether St. Ireneaous’ writing is saying what I am seeing as a possibility such as #NON #ELECT #SALVATION #POSSIBILITY, that is open to #debate but I present the #EVIDENCE):

Peace to you

P/S: Important Note: Though sometimes I write in a way that may give the feel that “possibility” might just be true and refute the ideas against it, it does NOT necessarily mean I am “right” simply because I am well aware that I can be misinterpreting (but in light of these First Christianity quotes, I also could be right) and that’s why I present all this honestly as a “possibility” only either way and accept whichever God Reveals as Right One Day. Here are links for free pdf download for all these books:

Slide 225. Are these Verses #WRONGLY seen regarding #NON ELECT SALVATION #Possibility which I match with #CHILIASM #PROPHECY TIMELINE or is it TRUE?

We can stand #neutral and #PRESENT the #EVIDENCE (Image is Slide 225 in Powerpoint).

1) Maybe #First #Resurrection only #FEW saved as #ELECT SALVATION (#BRIDE) as #KINGS and #PRIESTS and at the end of 1000 years transformed from human into no more flesh and blood but some heavenly substance to enter #Heaven as CHILIASM Prophecy quotes by Church Fathers ring.

2) Maybe #Second Resurrection only #MANY saved as NON ELECT SALVATION as NON-priests & NON-kings and cannot enter heaven (via New Jerusalem which connects to earth) but saved on that Final NEW #EARTH with terrestrial (earthly) #human resurrection bodies whom the BRIDE calls out at that future time to drink water of life?.

Daniel 12:10 still mentions MANY (not few) Saved in the END (2nd Resurrection) even in MASORETIC (e.g. KJV) without SEPTUAGINT even where the latter only makes it clear by “fire” (Lake of Fire?). Isn’t that what’s Written?

St. #Jerome of Vulgate & St. Gregory #Nanzianzus, St. #Ambrose of Milan all quote context of 1 Corinthians 3:15 likewise for NON ELECT SALVATION (please see #SLIDES 223 & 224, 89, 90, 115 – 118 EARLIER).

Please read free pdfs for more.

CHILIASM PROPHECY POSITION in Church History, please see [From Page 306/307 onward of the #LastBook] where even “Roman #Catholic Church” official history will prove it for you.

Powerpoint Slide – Why I wrote the books? An Explanation in link below:

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Peace to you

i) #DialoguesBook Dialogues – FAQ and Doctrine to Possibilities – 8 Jan 2023.pdf
ii) #BibleandChurchFathersQuoteBook Bible and Church Fathers Quotes for Charity Doctrine – 5 Dec 2022.pdf

iii) #SafeRouteScripturallyBook

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iv) #EternalHellAnnihilationUniversalismBook

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v) #MysteryoftheKingdomofHeavenBook

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vi) #Edu4LifeBook

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vii) #ChiliasmBook

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viii) #DoctrineBook or #BookofDoctrine

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viii) #MyCV15Oct2023

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Not knowing fully or in error sincerely does not necessarily make one a “liar”. But this will: Note: Some links may be “banned” by “your country” or by “Roman Catholics” (not sure which) so you can try purchasing the hardcopy or find elsewhere if can (Example: regardless whether St. Jerome is right or not [see end quote], I quoted him honestly as he wrote that & the one who lies go to ETERNAL HELL, fair, right? – honesty with evidence has no condemnation in Scripture as even Prophet Daniel himself said he did “not” understand in Daniel 12:8).

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Question1: What does your analysis matter in terms of verses like 1 Tim 4:10 – 11 and Romans 11:36?

Reply 1 : 1) In light of the #Chiliasm Prophecies and other Bible Verse taken together, if my Powerpoint claims (especially conclusion in Slide 225 is correct), then for example “God Saviour of all men” can mean ‘God is Saviour of all those in final resurrection bodies during Second Resurrection who get saved (even those by fire) on that final new earth (so non-Elect salvation) where the “Saviour of believers” refers to the Elect Salvation part which by the 2nd resurrection according to Chiliasm Prophecy are no more flesh and blood (so no more human) but transformed into some heavenly substance as #Tertullian, St. #Methodius of Olympus, St. #Victorinus all teach and St. Methodius usually claims it’s from St. #Justin Martyr’s writings and St. #Irenaeus of Lyons writing has that “translated into heaven phrase” which can mean this as I showed say in [From Page 205 onward of the #LastBook] or [From Page 586 onward of the #ChiliasmBook] which includes even St. #Augustine of Hippo meaning this part he might have known) . Examples [From Page 586 onward of the #ChiliasmBook], #CONTEXT for 1 Corinthians 15:5- 52 according to sample CHILIASM #CHURCH #FATHERS here (more in pages mentioned) – #Shocking?

“… When they have been taken in who have been changed into angelic being, all entrance into the kingdom of heaven is closed …” – Blessed St. Augustine of Hippo, the Third Great Latin Doctor of the Church (Catena Aurea) Source: https://sites.google.com/site/aquinasstudybible/home/matthew-commentary/catena-aurea-on-matthew/chapter-1/chapter-2/chapter-3/chapter-4/chapter-5/chapter-6/chapter-7/chapter-8/chapter-9/chapter-10/chapter-11/chapter-12/chapter-13/chapter-14/chapter-15/chapter-16/chapter-17/chapter-18/chapter-19/chapter-20/chapter-21/chapter-22/chapter-23/chapter-24/chapter-25

“… and how this very Christ will be present in their assembly, rendering judgment to all men. The words are spoken by David, and are, according to your version [Masoretic] of them, thus: ‘God stands in the congregation of gods; He judges among the gods. How long do you judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Judge for the orphan and the poor, and do justice to the humble and needy. Deliver the needy, and save the poor out of the hand of the wicked. … provided that they kept His commandments, and were deemed deserving of the name of His sons … demonstrated that all men are deemed worthy of becoming gods, and of having power to become sons of the Highest; and shall be each by himself judged and condemned like Adam and Eve. Now I have proved at length that Christ is called God …”– Blessed St. Justin of Rome/St. Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, Chapter 124) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/01288.htm

“… But of what gods [does he speak]? [Of those] to whom He says, I have said, You are gods, and all sons of the Most High [Psalm 82:6]. To those, no doubt, who have received the grace of the adoption, by which we cry, Abba Father. Romans 8:15…” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, ‘Against Heresies’, (Book 3(III), Chapter 6), Point 1-partial)

Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103306.htm

“… Chapter 25. … Of the heavenly kingdom this is the process. After its thousand years are over, within which period is completed the resurrection of the saints, who rise sooner or later according to their deserts there will ensue the destruction of the world and the conflagration of all things at the judgment: we shall then be changed in a moment into the substance of angels, even by the investiture of an incorruptible nature, and so be removed to that kingdom in heaven … when Abraham’s seed, after the primal promise of being like the sand of the sea for multitude, is destined likewise to an equality with the stars of heaven — are not these the indications both of an earthly and a heavenly dispensation? …” – Blessed Tertullian, Father of Latin Christianity, Founder of Western Theological Scholarship, c. 155 AD – c. 240 AD, Against Marcion, Book III, Chapter 25-partial)

Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/03123.htm

Reply 1 Continued: In other words the non-elect salvation of those saved as “all men” can refer to “as many as God Decides to save as human terrestrial resurrection bodies some post-lake of fire judgment” on that Final New earth where many may “not” enter heaven as there is a gate filtering those who can and not based on name in the Book of Life. Those persons if saved after being touched by the Lake of Fire means their names were not in the Book of Life and so cannot enter heaven (Revelation 21:27) which is natural & no one can sneak in since to enter heaven one needs to have that “heavenly resurrection body” (1 Corinthians 15:40 – 42) which is no more flesh and blood into something of heavenly substance (transformed in a twinkling of an eye, 1 Corinthians 15:50 – 52 as Chiliasm Prophecy by those mentioned Church Fathers reveal directly or hint) which is forever sealed since only then it is fair. Only Elect Salvation become priests and kings (1 Peter 2:9, Revelation 1:6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 20:6) & His Bride (Revelation 21:9 out of heaven) who alone become “One Flesh” with Christ (i.e. share His Divinity in some way implying that change into heavenly substance based on Ephesians 5:31 – 32 too which many church fathers have taught likewise as “theosis” as I showed say in [From Page 205 onward of the #LastBook] or [From Page 586 onward of the #ChiliasmBook] which includes even St. Augustine of Hippo meaning this part he might have known) and so the non-kings and non-priests must be non-elect salvation among those final nations saved when the book of life is revealed already meaning these verses are written for after judgment day timeline and not millennial reign as Revelation 21:24 – 27 clearly reveals this context especially verse 27 and Revelation 21:24 mentions the phrase “kings of the earth” which could refer to elect ruling over them or some specific earthly kings of earthly resurrection bodies (not sure which) who are mentioned to “enter into lowest heaven, new jerusalem city which descends and connects to that final earth” in Revelation 21:24 which strengthens the claim that non-kings exist & saved but may NOT enter heaven for if all those nations saved enter heaven, then no need for gate filtering them (Revelation 21:27) or mentioning this “filtering” aspect particularly, right? Also Revelation 22:17 mentions both the Spirit and the Bride (Elect/Church) calling out to some to take the “Water of Life” freely (which can only be taken after Judgment Day Final New heaven/New Earth not touched by Sin creation context timeline, Revelation 21:1) since Revelation 22:1 reveals the Source of “Water of Life” is MOST BLESSED LORD JESUS CHRIST (Revelation 22:1) Who also Heals these “nations” via the “leaves of Tree of Life” (Revelation 22:2). It would be strange if this referred to Christians since then some Christians are not healed even after 1000 years of participating in Marriage of the Lamb 7 First Resurrection earlier via Chiliasm Timeline? Healing might strengthen the claim for “damage due to lake of fire sanctification context” if septuagint for Daniel 12:10 or even Masoretic also can mean this as it is & may link to “1 Corinthians 3:15 saved by fire case” as discussed in Slides 223 to 225 earlier. Probably “leaves of the tree of life” only for them since their bodies are earthly (terrestrial) only eternally so cannot enter heaven & that’s how CHRIST Chooses to administer the Power of His Resurrection according to Heavenly Body (Elect) or Earthly Body (non-Elect) in their Final Saved Resurrections. I could be wrong but my style of quoting Bible Verses with Church Father evidence is in line with 2 Peter 1:20’s warning that no prophecy is of any private interpretation as I try fill in details only and in Jeremiah 23:36 GOD allows even say if I’m in error of prophecy context but claiming I am interpreting (and NOT God told me so claims, Jeremiah 23:31 which can have eternal consequences, Jeremiah 23:38 – 40) means I lead no one to eternal hell or loss of rewards because I am just presenting honestly with evidences. Peace to you

Question 2: That you would countenance the worst possible way of looking at what is otherwise a common sense understanding of this verse is sad. saved as “all men” can refer to “as many as God Decides.” You can live in the doubts you’ve accepted, I won’t.

Reply 2: Plus I didn’t sell nor make money out of all these research nor took a salary nor a phD etc. meaning those who do that if wrong must be judged severely, right? especially since most of them will claim they are 100% right and never even admit any room for error for their interpretations (same judgment meted back as Christ Warned right in Matthew 7? meaning their spiritual pride will only work likewise if they are 100% right). “All men” refers to “those men human resurrection bodies whom God Saves”. If GOD Decides it’s “all men” it will be “all men” and if God Decides it is a certain number, then it will be so as well. Only God Knows as He Didn’t Reveal all details as Scripture itself shows.

Question 3: Plus I didn’t sell nor make money …” I never accused you of such a thing. Your resume won’t save you. God took the probabily out of the equation.

Reply 3: Your don’t even believe in being “unsaved” so that statement has no meaning right for you? So Simple: Let God Decide and we will see which is right. thank you .*after our deaths as nothing can be determined with certainty here

Question 4: You mentioned Billy Graham, you and hypocrisy. You said BG is America’s number one (Protestant)? Wrong. BG was America’s number one Augustinian. Whether BG is a hypocrite or whether “your” hypocrisy is being discussed, so far as I am concerned, is irrelevant. It is NOT about you.

Reply 4: You seem judgmental while believing that believing in nothing itself gives all equal and saved in heaven which means it’s all about you.

doesn’t make any sense. No point in discussing anything since even if wrong, all are saved and in heaven, right as you believe? So any Universalists likewise cannot complain about murder, discrimination they face in life or vote for their political leader for betterment of life since even heaven is open to all those “whom they consider evil”, then they better show it here first by “accepting evil happen to them”. So if they cannot, it’s just a show of hypocrisy. Did you know that the “Universalism” type passages in “possible Scripture” from “early Jewish Christian Writings” doesn’t have such new age rubbish? Here’s an example [From Page 898/899 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]

where in Some Christians ask: How can Salvation from the Lake of Fire be “Fair or Justice” if it is “not” Eternal? The Answer may be found in the Apocalypse of Elijah Quote above itself where the REASON if such a SALVATION is POSSIBLE is Given as ‘… the righteous …’ who ‘… will ASK for MANY TIMES …’ are asking for THE SAME SINNERS who “… persecuted them and those who handed them over to death in their torments …” earlier. In Simple words, this Salvation can ONLY be ASKED by THOSE SPECIFIC RIGHTEOUS who an ASK ONLY for THOSE SPECIFIC SINNERS in HELL who earlier in life HAVE MADE THESE SAME RIGHTEOUS SUFFER or even DIE in their hands. Now, that is VERY LOGICAL. So, there is NO FORCING of FORGIVENESS required and so as a CHRISTIAN if you see SOMEONE in HELL who have HURT YOU or TORTURED YOU in SOME WAY or DID EVIL to you or even KILLED YOU, you can decide whether to FORGIVE THEM from ETERNAL HELL or not BY PRAYER to GOD AT THAT TIME (if this Prophecy Writing is True) in principle of the Verses in John 20:21 – 23.

Question 5: I wouldn’t be throwing around the accusation of pride. It’s unseemly and unnecessary. By the way, the God you serve – is a wilfull loser. You preaching probabilities? That is all kinds of sad – and you don’t know it. Explain that please. You’re right. God paid your debt – He removed the sin of WORLD – past present and future. Too bad you won’t give Him the benefit of the doubt. (John 1:29, John 19:30 changes the verb of 1:29) It’s too bad you serve a god who is quite happy to give life to creatures He knew up front would be lost forever. Your god is a monster. Why you have any affection for him, escapes me. Good luck with you “Orthodox” church being “safest bet.” I’m sure the Lord is flattered by your math. our rationale is 180 out of phase. I make it ALL about HIM – because He earned it – because He deserves it – because He is worthy of it. Your contribution – what did the old record say? Oh, yes, your words are as unclean rags (used menstrual rags, I might add.)

Reply 5: Preaching probabilities or “your own oracle” in “prophesy context” is allowed by Jeremiah 23:26 while in that same Verse GOD Warned against preaching 100% God’s Word unless one who quotes Him is 100% right on the “prophecy claim” (so your position looks like no room for error. All the best and let’s see if the “god” who led you to your beliefs is a “winner” and proves it on that Day by “your prophesy interpretation is 100% right”, fair, right? (instead of empty throwing words around). Your god is the monster because he wants to give heaven to monsters right? My GOD Will Judge FAIRLY and only GIVE HEAVEN to the RIGHTEOUS and if any NON-ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY is there, it’s for those whom HE JUDGES FAIRLY & does NOT allow all into heaven & has ranking according to obedience by relative measure within final heaven & earth inheritance. How can you support murderers, rapists, money-lovers exploiting whomever they can daily to earn more just because they have racial, nepotism or other economic advantages etc. and then believe that all these “monsters” deserve to be in “heaven” and then claim “my God is a monster”? Isn’t “your god” a “monster” that likes those “monster” behaviours then? Maybe you are one of those “monsters” listed here who is angry because “you don’t want to repent of your sin”. Nothing pure in your words and in fact since you like dirty sins and things and like to approve it, you like menstrual rags, isn’t it? Because you like approving dirty things to heaven, right? You will get the “god” you deserve which is “smear Him” if “He does not agree with your sin” and then if somebody teaches judgment for sin and loss of reward or salvation accordingly, you smear that person so similarly you will get nothing in the end for you despised good and wanted to reward evil with eternal bliss.

anyway I will put your conversation in my slides so everyone can read both sides (the earlier part) let each decide for themselves, fair, right?

Quoting Daniel 12:8 is NOT an excuse NOR out of CONTEXT simply because imagine the PROPHET to whom SCRIPTURE was GIVEN namely Blessed PROPHET DANIEL but he himself DID NOT fully understand the meaning of MANY (not FEW) shall be PURIFIED etc. as part of it in DANIEL 12:10, so how much more can we expect to understand unless GOD REVEALS? Notice that Blessed Prophet Daniel is definitely more HOLY than YOU or I and MORE FILLED WITH the HOLY SPIRIT’s ANOINTING from anyone else in MODERN CHRISTIANITY – can you SEE it? But yet Prophet Daniel did “NOT” understand. Peace to you

SLIDE 234. Hundredfold Reward Prophecy meaning in First Christianity (Matthew 13:23, Matthew 19:29) as NO Prophecy is of private interpretation, right? (2 Peter 1:20)

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– Special highlight for common fallacy. I quote two of Blessed St. Augustine of Hippo’s (non-Chiliasm Church Father’s) “hundredfold” quote where the one with “unmarried as hundredfold vs marriage becoming thirtyfold” is very accepted but the other quote that “hundredfold” can also be attained via CHARITY DOCTRINE or DISCRIMINATED from JOB/SALARY etc. due to GOSPEL STANCE (supported even via Slide 232 & Slide 233 earlier by CHILIASM CHURCH Fathers Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons & Blessed Tertullian respectively) is not very accepted. So if St. Augustine of Hippo’s “hundredfold” part of doctrine is to be accepted, we must accept both or reject both, fair, right? So preaching both ways as options for attaining to “hundredfold” rewards does NOT make me a false teacher unless you’re saying even St. Augustine of Hippo is a false teacher then, right? (even based on this one subtopic)

“… THREE HARVESTS IN THE GOSPEL, THIRTYFOLD, SIXTYFOLD, AN HUNDREDFOLD, — CHASTE MARRIAGE DWELLING IN THE GROUND FLOOR, CHASTE WIDOWHOOD IN THE UPPER, AND CHASTE VIRGINITY IN THE TOP STOREY. Or any better interpretation may be given, so long as the reference to this city is maintained…” – Blessed St. Augustine of Hippo, the Third Great Latin Doctor of the Church, who influenced virtually all of subsequent Western philosophy and Catholic theology, as well as a significant amount of Protestant theology, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church (c. 354 AD – c. 430 AD, Book XV (15), ‘City of God’, Chapter 26) Roman Catholic

Source:

https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/120115.htm

11) Augustine: Homilies on the Gospel of John, Homilies on the First Epistle of John, Soliloquies
Lectures or Tractates on the Gospel According to St. John.
Chapter XIX. 24–30.

Matthew 19:29

“… 3. But what was this “his own,” unto which John took the mother of the Lord? For he was not outside the circle of those who said unto Him, “Lo, we have left all, and followed Thee.” No, but on that same occasion he had also heard the words, Every one that hath forsaken these things for my sake, shall receive an hundred times as much in this world.18991899 Matt. xix. 27, 29. That disciple, therefore, had an hundredfold more than he had cast away, whereunto to receive the mother of Him who had graciously bestowed it all. But it was in that society that the blessed John had received an hundredfold, where no one called anything his own, but they had all things in common; even as it is recorded in the Acts of the Apostles. For the apostles were as if having nothing, and yet possessing all things.19001900 2 Cor. vi. 10. How was it, then, that the disciple and servant received unto his own the mother of his Lord and Master, where no one called anything his own? Or, seeing we read a little further on in the same book, “For as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of them, and laid them down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need,”19011901 Acts iv. 32–35. are we not to understand that such distribution was made to this disciple of what was needful, that there was also added to it the portion of the blessed Mary, as if she were his mother; and ought we not the rather so to take the words, “From that hour the disciple took her unto his own,” that everything necessary for her was entrusted to his care? He received her, therefore, not unto his own lands, for he had none of his own; but to his own dutiful services, the discharge of which, by a special dispensation, was entrusted to himself. …” – Blessed St. Augustine of Hippo, the Third Great Latin Doctor of the Church, who influenced virtually all of subsequent Western philosophy and Catholic theology, as well as a significant amount of Protestant theology, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church (c. 354 AD – c. 430 AD, Lectures or Tractates on the Gospel According to St. John. Chapter XIX. 24–30)

Source: https://www.catholiccrossreference.online/fathers/index.php/Matt%2019:29

or https://ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf107.iii.cxx.html

Comment: Notice in quote below the same word “hundredfold” is used and St. Augustine of Hippo is saying that Blessed Apostle St. John received Christ’s Mother as “his own” but yet that did NOT exclude his hundredfold based on “left mother” of Matthew 19:29 and that the “SOCIETY of the HUNDREDFOLD” (not Apostle St. John alone) St. Augustine of Hippo refers to ONLY one COMMON TRAIT as it certainly INCLUDED MARRIED BELIEVERS etc., right? Which is THOSE LIVING in CHARITY DOCTRINE LIFESTYLE together as they SHARED ALL in COMMON etc. (earthly & spiritual goods can be analogous today, give either if cannot give both for FREE such as GOSPEL RESEARCH or SKILLS TAUGHT to OTHERS etc. if cannot give money much – can you SEE it?) Please read the words below & see if I’m lying or not. HUNDREDFOLD is attained via a LIFESTYLE of LOVE in GIVING & SHARING and NOT in Prosperity Gospel NOR if a priest lives off others but does no charity doctrine of his own etc. Maybe CHARITY DOCTRINE “HUNDREDFOLD” ones did the LEFT HOUSES/LANDS part by SHARING it with OTHERS for FREE as mentioned in Matthew 19:29 as St. Augustine of Hippo links it to both Acts 2:44, Acts 4:32 in his own words here. Peace 2 u.

Slide 233 in Powerpoint. Hundredfold Reward Prophecy meaning in First Christianity (Matthew 13:23, Matthew 19:29) as NO Prophecy is of private interpretation, right? (2 Peter 1:20)– Earliest known meanings preserved are these three quotes (and two of it are from CHILIASM CHURCH FATHERS St. Irenaeous of Lyons & Tertullian) so if someone says otherwise, ask them for source and quote. Can you see it? Please see the dates. Quote 2 & 3 of 3.
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2) Fathers of the Second Century
CLEMENT OF ALEXANDRIA
The Stromata, or Miscellanies
Book IV.
Chapter IV.—The Praises of Martyrdom.

Matthew 19:29

“… If the confession to God is martyrdom, each soul which has lived purely in the knowledge of God, which has obeyed the commandments, is a witness both by life and word, in whatever way it may be released from the body,—shedding faith as blood along its whole life till its departure. For instance, the Lord says in the Gospel, “Whosoever shall leave father, or mother, or brethren,” and so forth, “for the sake of the Gospel and my name,”26962696 Matt. xix. 29. he is blessed; not indicating simple martyrdom, but the gnostic martyrdom, as of the man who has conducted himself according to the rule of the Gospel, in love to the Lord (for the knowledge of the Name and the understanding of the Gospel point out the gnosis, but not the bare appellation), so as to leave his worldly kindred, and wealth, and every possession, in order to lead a life free from passion. “Mother” figuratively means country and sustenance; “fathers” are the laws of civil polity: which must be contemned thankfully by the high-souled just man; for the sake of being the friend of God, and of obtaining the right hand in the holy place, as the Apostles have done. …” – Blessed St. Clement of Alexandria, Head of the First Oldest Bible School in all of Christianity, the Cathecathical School At Alexandria, Teacher of Origen (c. 150 AD – c. 215 AD, The Stromata (Book 4, Chapter 4):

https://ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf02.vi.iv.iv.iv.html

3) Latin Christianity: Its Founder, Tertullian
Apologetic.
On Idolatry.
Further Answers to the Plea, How Am I to Live?

Chapter XII

“…. .243243 Matt. vi. 28; Luke xii. 28. “My work was my subsistence.” Nay, but “all things are to be sold, and divided to the needy.”244244 Matt. xix. 21; Luke xviii. 22. “But provision must be made for children and posterity.” “None, putting his hand on the plough, and looking back, is fit” for work.245245 Luke ix. 62, where the words are, “is fit for the kingdom of God.” “But I was under contract.” “None can serve two lords.”246246 Matt. vi. 24; Luke xvi. 13. If you wish to be the Lord’s disciple, it is necessary you “take your cross, and follow the Lord:”247247 Matt. xvi. 24; Mark viii. 34; Luke ix. 23; xiv. 27. your cross; that is, your own straits and tortures, or your body only, which is after the manner of a cross. Parents, wives, children, will have to be left behind, for God’s sake.248248 Luke xiv. 26; Mark x. 29, 30; Matt. xix. 27–30. Compare these texts with Tertullian’s words, and see the testimony he thus gives to the deity of Christ. Do you hesitate about arts, and trades, and about professions likewise, for the sake of children and parents? Even there was it demonstrated to us, that both “dear pledges,”249249 i.e., any dear relations. and handicrafts, and trades, are to be quite left behind for the Lord’s sake; while James and John, called by the Lord, do leave quite behind both father and ship;250250 Matt. iv. 21, 22; Mark i. 19, 20; Luke v. 10, 11. while Matthew is roused up from the toll-booth;251251 Matt. ix. 9; Mark ii. 14; Luke v. 29. while even burying a father was too tardy a business for faith.252252 Luke ix. 59, 60. None of them whom the Lord chose to Him said, “I have no means to live.” Faith fears not famine. It knows, likewise, that hunger is no less to be contemned by it for God’s sake, than every kind of death. It has learnt not to respect life; how much more food? [You ask] “How many have fulfilled these conditions?” But what with men is difficult, with God is easy.253253 Matt. xix. 26; Luke i. 37; xviii. 27. Let us, however, comfort ourselves about the gentleness and clemency of God in such wise, as not to indulge our “necessities” up to the point of affinities with idolatry, but to avoid even from afar every breath of it, as of a pestilence. …” – Blessed Tertullian, Father of Latin Christianity, Founder of Western Theological Scholarship, CHILIASM CHURCH FATHER c. 155 AD – c. 240 AD, Apologetic, On Idolatry, Chapter 12)

Source: https://ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf03.iv.iv.xii.html

Comment: I am more into CHILIASM CHURCH FATHERS for accuracy and if they differ I go for earliest ones first who are St. Justin of Rome (St. Justin Martyr) or St. Ireneaous of Lyons and then Blessed Tertullian etc. Now, Tertullian also clearly writes that HUNDREDFOLD REWARD Level sacrifice refers to even money sacrificed to be GIVEN to the POOR instead of CHILDREN & POSTERITY too and if needed even GIVING UP GOOD SALARY JOBS due to STANDING UP for GOSPEL or DISCRIMINATED (Can you see it implied in his writing here? [follow arrow in image]) meaning if CHRISTIANS compromise or do lesser they may get thirty-fold or sixty-fold level only likewise (God Will Measure Fairly) meaning for example can hoard if going to give to poor at end of life or some to family or by doing CHARITY DOCTRINE via relative measure before marriage or even after marriage by Sharing this world’s goods or gospel things for free without salary or fixed tithes support, denomination/church etc. (higher value). NO Prosperity GOSPEL at all. Peace 2 u. TQ

SLIDE 232. Hundredfold Reward Prophecy meaning in First Christianity (Matthew 13:23, Matthew 19:29) as NO Prophecy is of private interpretation, right? (2 Peter 1:20)– Earliest known meanings preserved are these three quotes (and two of it are from CHILIASM CHURCH FATHERS St. Irenaeous of Lyons & Tertullian) so if someone says otherwise, ask them for source and quote. Can you see it? Please see the dates. Quote 1 of 3.
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1) The Apostolic Fathers with Justin Martyr and Irenaeus
IRENÆUS
Against Heresies: Book V

Chapter XXXIII.—Further proofs of the same proposition, drawn from the promises made by Christ, when He declared that He would drink of the fruit of the vine with His disciples in His Father’s kingdom, while at the same time He promised to reward them an hundred-fold, and to make them partake of banquets. The blessing pronounced by Jacob had pointed out this already, as Papias and the elders have interpreted it.

Matthew 19:29

“… 2. And for this reason the Lord declared, “When thou makest a dinner or a supper, do not call thy friends, nor thy neighbours, nor thy kinsfolk, lest they ask thee in return, and so repay thee. But call the lame, the blind, and the poor, and thou shall be blessed, since they cannot recompense thee, but a recompense shall be made thee at the resurrection of the just.”47344734 Luke xiv. 12, 13. And again He says, “Whosoever shall have left lands, or houses, or parents, or brethren, or children because of Me, he shall receive in this world an hundred-fold, and in that to come he shall inherit eternal life.”47354735 Matt. xix. 29; Luke xviii. 29, 30. For what are the hundred-fold [rewards] in this word, the entertainments given to the poor, and the suppers for which a return is made? These are [to take place] in the times of the kingdom, that is, upon the seventh day, which has been sanctified, in which God rested from all the works which He created, which is the true Sabbath of the righteous, which they shall not be engaged in any earthly occupation; but shall have a table at hand prepared for them by God, supplying them with all sorts of dishes. …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, CHILIASM CHURCH FATHER (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, Against Heresies, Book 5, Chapter 33, Point 2) Source:

https://www.catholiccrossreference.online/fathers/index.php/Matt%2019:29

https://ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.ix.vii.xxxiv.html

Comment: Comment: Notice how St. Ireneaous combines Luke 14:12 – 13 and Matthew 19:29 to refer to “First Resurrection” and uses the “hundred-fold [rewards]” also for ENTERTAINMENTS GIVEN to the POOR and SUPPER (or food given) which is CHARITY DOCTRINE? So “hundredfold” refers to “rewards” context and “times of the kingdom” means “first resurrection and “CHARITY DOCTRINE” can attain to it as Luke 14:12 – 13 means without say leaving marriage or doing one of Matthew 19:29 too. It would be very odd if St. Ireneaous of Lyons who heard St. Polycarp direct disciple of Blessed Apostle St. John & others near that level preach is WRONG about HUNDREDFOLD Reward, right? Holiness/Virginity etc. without CHARITY DOCTRINE only benefits self to be saved, right? So lesser value. Where is your First Christianity quote earlier than this? Peace 2 u.

SLIDE 231. God cannot be Speaking all these contradicting PROPHECY Views just based on one verse 1 Corinthians 15:50 – 52, right? Problem: Almost all in modern Christianity view 1 Corinthians 15:50 – 52 as the “Rapture” but ALMOST ALL CHILIASM PROPHECY CHURCH FATHERS (earliest Church Fathers Writings on the topic, if someone says otherwise ask them for quote & proof) say it REFERS to END of FIRST RESURRECTION’s THOUSAND YEARS at the LAST TRUMPET indicating START of SECOND RESURRECTION Timeline. Remember that PROPHETS can have ZERO PROPHECY ERRORS as GOD WARNED in DEUTERONOMY 18:22.

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Time will tell who was the “false prophet” whether ‘those who view 1 Corinthians 15:52 as rapture Verse (e.g. almost all modern Christianity) or these CHILIASM CHURCH FATHERS namely Blessed Tertullian, St. Justin Martyr, St. Ireneaous of Lyons and even St. Augustine of Hippo in a way quote the change into “angelic or as “gods” referred to in Psalm 82 Prophecy” (quotes in Slide 216, 226 or 69 earlier) where for example St. Irenaeous of Lyons(Slide 69) quotes 1 Corinthians 15:52’s “Last Trumpet” phrase which is only found in this Verse to refer to Second Resurrection Timeline at the END (of 1000 years as wicked are only raised to be judged at this timeline) or even St. Victorinus (Slide 69) & St. Methodius of Olympus (Slide 68) or Book of 1Enoch too as shown in [Page 216 onward of the #LastBook]’ – We can be NEUTRAL and PRESENT the EVIDENCE HONESTLY like this and GOD WILL understand our dilemma, right?

In short, who is the “false prophet”? Also, have you wondered perhaps GOD allows errors to be big and widespread and known everywhere first before correcting it so that no one can cover up nor pretend? The question is who is in error here? Please see Page 386 onward of the #LastBook for the “thief in the night” phrase discussion if keen. WHO is the FALSE PROPHET?

1) Almost all MODERN CHRISTIANTY PROPHETS Claim that 1 Corinthians 15:52 refers to “Rapture” event for Some Coming of Christ Type

2) Almost all CHILIASM CHURCH FATHERS whose writing quotes 1 Corinthians 15:52 in some way refers to the change from “human” (for 1000 years in First Resurrection’s “times of the kingdom” to be repaid in human form first) before change into “angelic/divine substance” via “marriage of the Lamb” where CHRIST shares His Divinity to become One Flesh with the Church/Bride (“Theosis” as some details in Slide 226/227 earlier) at end of 1000 years at start of 2nd resurrection. Doesn’t “THIEF in the NIGHT” equivalent phrase in 2 Peter 3:10 look like 2nd resurrection when world is ready to be judged in FIRE here?

Slide 235 in Powerpoint. OLDEST CHILIASM THIRTYFOLD, SIXTYFOLD and HUNDREDFOLD Quote. Ever wondered what is the EARLIEST known QUOTE regarding HUNDREDFOLD, SIXTYFOLD and THIRTYFOLD Final ELECT (CHRISTIAN/BRIDE) SALVATION, the only ones who INHERIT HEAVEN (not the Final New Earth which is common to the rest)? I mean this CHILIASM QUOTE is attested even by earliest non-Chiliasm Church Fathers such as Blessed Eusebius Father of Church History who was a big follower of Blessed Origen of Alexandria (oldest known non-Chiliasm Church Father by writing/name & if anyone says otherwise ask them for quote & proof with source) where they themselves ADMIT it is AUTHENTIC & even DARE make FUN of Blessed St. PAPIAS so maybe that’s why they are allowed to err saying like he’s not too smart to understand PROPHECY as he took it too LITERALLY while they TOOK it ALLEGORICALLY while PRESERVING this SAME QUOTE independently of GUESS WHO?

[From Page 217 onward of the #ChiliasmBook] Please compare with St. Papias’ quote below where it seems to point that ANYONE whose has the NEW JERUSALEM CITY NAME (described in Revelation 3:12 above) is in the LOWEST HEAVEN CONNECTING to the FINAL NEW EARTH and so anyone saved regularly on the FINAL NEW EARTH COULD BE NON ELECT SALVATION (if this interpretation is true).

“… As the presbyters say, then those who are deemed worthy of an abode in heaven shall go there, others shall enjoy the delights of Paradise, and others shall possess the splendour of the city; for everywhere the Saviour will be seen, according as they shall be worthy who see Him. But that there is this distinction between the habitation of those who produce an hundredfold, and that of those who produce sixty-fold, and that of those who produce thirty-fold; for the first will be taken up into the heavens, the second class will dwell in Paradise, and the last will inhabit the city; and that on this account the Lord said, “In my Father’s house are many mansions: John 14:2 for all things belong to God, who supplies all with a suitable dwelling-place, even as His word says, that a share is given to all by the Father, according as each one is or shall be worthy. And this is the couch in which they shall recline who feast, being invited to the wedding. The presbyters, the disciples of the apostles, say that this is the gradation and arrangement of those who are saved, …” – Blessed St. Papias, Bishop of Hierapolis, an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of the Blessed St. John the Apostle who wrote the Book of Revelation (c. 60 AD – c. 163 AD, Fragment V) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0125.htm

BLESSED ST. IRENAEOUS of LYONS’ which LOOKS IDENTICAL as even he says the CHILIASM PROPHECY QUOTE NOT found in any other non-Chiliasm CHRISTIANITY be it ancient or modern and he quotes it is NOT his opinion but held by ALL the PRESBYTERS or DIRECT DISCIPLES of the BLESSED APOSTLES of the LAMB whom the APOSTLES APPOINTED & ANOINTED by themselves DIRECTLY which is important because it says

1) All Christians SAVED in FIRST RESURRECTION (so if anyone is saved 1000 years later during Second Resurrection as we saw “possibilities” say in SLIDES 216, 225 & 227 with CHILIASM Church Fathers means these could be NON-ELECT SALVATION only on FINAL EARTH, right?)

2) THIRTYFOLD get FINAL Residence in LOWEST HEAVEN final NEW JERUSALEM CITY which descends and connects to final NEW EARTH not touched by Sin after Judgment Day (Revelation 21 describes this) while SIXTYFOLD gets FINAL Residence in PARADISE part of HEAVEN in a layer above that while HUNDREDFOLD get FINAL Residence even above that in LAYERS in HEAVENS. Though these are “not” Bible Verses, Matthew 13:11 hints that “secrets of kingdom of heaven” not given to all and so could include these, right? Personally I prefer believing this than “some Pentecostal claiming a trip to heaven”, right? Let GOD Decide but at least even if say wrong (what are the odds? as even non-Chiliasm Church History proves these quotes authentic instead of deleting it) at least we can shown GOD these EVIDENCE QUOTES and HE Will Understand.

BONUS: Notice this also means that MARRIED PERSONS can ATTAIN to HUNDREDFOLD levels according to 1 CORINTHIANS 9:5 as even SOME APOSTLES did NOT “Leave WIFE” (see SLIDE 236) or THOSE LEAVING LANDS/BROTHERS/HOUSES etc. (doing any one of it as stated in Matthew 19:29) which MARK 10:30 adds with PERSECUTIONS (example local CHURCH & non-Christians discriminate you for holding to ANY aspect of CHILIASM PROPHECY because say they’re jealous or don’t agree), then if we turned out right, MARK 10:30 promised HUNDREDFOLD just based on ENDURING PERSECUTIONS likewise too, can you SEE it as IT IS WRITTEN SOLA SCRIPTURA even? So the only way for any other non-Chiliasm Christianity is to be persecuted & be right on their prophecy claims instead of all these (now what are the odds they are right in light of all these evidences presented even from earliest Church History?) Peace 2 u.

Slide 236 in Powerpoint. Can a married person attain to the HUNDREDFOLD? We saw in Slide 235 earlier that Blessed St. Papias’ quote which is NOT his opinion but even Blessed St. Irenaeus of Lyons too mentions clearly that this was TAUGHT by DIRECT DISCIPLES of the BLESSED APOSTLES meaning if anyone differs later, i.e. in any non-Chiliasm position, it could be a sign of JUDGMENT of GOD for departing from TRUE PROPHECY, right? Please read this again (and St. Ireneaous quote for that part is below). Now back to the whether MARRIED persons can attain to HIGHEST HUNDREDFOLD FINAL REWARDS, let’s look at 1 Corinthians 9:5 with CHILIASM CHURCH FATHERS’ surviving writings as follows:

“… 4)

The Fathers of the Third Century

Tertullian: Part Fourth.

On Monogamy.

Elucidations.

1 Corinthians 9:5

Poor Tertullian is at war with himself in all the works which he indites against Catholic orthodoxy. In the tract De Exhort. Castitatis he gives one construction to 1 Cor. ix. 5, which in this he explains away; ⁶⁹⁹⁶⁹⁹ Comp. Ex. Cast., cap. viii. p. 55, supra, with the Monogam., cap. viii. p. 65, supra. and now he patches up his conclusion by referring to his Montanistic “Paraclete.” In fighting Marcion, how thoroughly he agrees with Clement of Alexandria as to the sanctity of marriage. In the second epistle to his wife, how beautiful his tribute to the married state, blessed by the Church, and enjoyed in chastity. But here ⁷⁰⁰⁷⁰⁰ Comp. Apparel of Women, ii. cap. ix. p. 23, supra. how fanatically he would make out that marriage is but tolerated adultery! From Tertullian himself we may prove the marriage of the clergy, and that ( de Exhort. Cast., last chapter) abstinence was voluntary and exceptional, however praiseworthy. Also, if he here urges that (cap. 12) even laymen should abstain from second marriages, he allows the liberty of the clergy to marry once. He admits St. Peter’s marriage. Eusebius proves the marriage of St. Jude. Concerning “the grave dignity” of a single marriage, we may concede that Tertullian proves his point, but no further.

…” Source: https://www.catholiccrossreference.online/fathers/index.php/1%20corinthians%209:5

Or https://ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf04.iii.vii.xviii.html

Even the Roman Catholic quote here admits that PRIESTS can be MARRIED and that the CONTEXT of 1 Corinthians 9:5 allows it even at APOSTLES’ “HUNDERDFOLD’s FINEST” LEVEL as a CHOICE according to Writings of Blessed Tertullian, Father of Latin Christianity, Founder of Western Theological Scholarship, CHILIASM CHURCH FATHER(c. 155 AD – c. 240 AD) himself. Done, right? Oh ya even Eusebius proves St. Jude the Apostle was married but surely hundredfold too, right? Do you know that the only quote earlier or same timeline is by St. Clement of Alexandria for 1 Corinthians 9:5 context? If someone says otherwise ask for proof & quote but he is NOT CHILIASM CHURCH FATHER and the later ones just repeat whatever the earlier ones said, right?

READ this (underlined in green above) as PRIESTS (Pastors) are usually HUNDREDFOLD if lived right but Tertullian is referring to CHILASM PROPHECY PRIESTS/PASTORS like him, right? So error if following non-Chiliasm, I don’t know if it qualifies so let GOD Decide, fair, right?

Regarding numbers, remember that Slide 128 earlier gives a prophecy by St. Clement of Rome (Pope Clement I, disciple of Apostle St. Peter) That majority of CHURCH can be in ERROR, e.g. for 1 Corinthians 9:5 here? CHILIASM Prophecy (Slide 235 earlier) says 1. “thirtyfold” (City) 2. Sixtyfold(Paradise) and 3. Hundredfold (Heavens). May God have MERCY. Peace 2 u.

Image is Slide 237 in Powerpoint. CHILIASM Prophecy Aspect: PROPHECY quotes by CHILIASM & NON-CHILIASM Church Fathers regarding who could be the LOST SHEEP here as POSSIBLE NON-ELECT SALVATION?

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“Shepherd of Hermas” has “another Salvation outside the [Elect] Tower” hence can mean NON-ELECT SALVATION and since St. Ireaneous of Lyons calls the “Shepherd of Hermas” as “Scripture”, and seems to acknowledge this “ELECT TOWER CONCEPT” as per his words earlier in [Page 154 and this quote is in Pages 155 or 905 of the #ChiliasmBook], this context is highly probable, right? Not quoted here due to lack of space. [From Page 223 onward of the #LastBook] using an early Christian-Jewish writing Apocalypse of Abraham for possible NON-ELECT SALVATION saved by fire (1 Corinthians 3:15 link) if this writing is true for this part. Some Fallen Christians and Unbelievers could be “lost sheep” getting same portion on Final New earth only if saved by fire as Luke 12:46 mentions if these quotes combined can mean this [From Page 52 onward of the #ChiliasmBook].

“… THESE ARE THEY WHO HAVE HEARD THE WORD, and WISH TO BE BAPTIZED in the name of the Lord; but when the chastity demanded by the truth comes into their recollection, they draw back, and AGAIN WALK AFTER THEIR OWN WICKED DESIRES.” She FINISHED her EXPOSITION of the TOWER. But I, shameless as I yet was, asked her, “IS REPENTANCE POSSIBLE FOR ALL THOSE STONES WHICH HAVE BEEN CAST AWAY and DID NOT FIT INTO THE BUILDING of the TOWER, AND WILL THEY YET HAVE A PLACE IN THIS TOWER?” “REPENTANCE,” said she, “IS YET POSSIBLE, BUT IN THIS TOWER THEY CANNOT FIND A SUITABLE PLACE. But in another and MUCH INFERIOR PLACE THEY WILL BE LAID, and that, too, ONLY WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN TORTURED AND COMPLETED THE DAYS OF THEIR SINS. And on this account will they be transferred, because they have PARTAKEN of the RIGHTEOUS WORD. And then only will they be removed from their punishments when the THOUGHT of REPENTING of the evil deeds which they have done has come into their hearts. But if it does not come into their hearts, they will not be saved, on account of the hardness of their heart.” …” – Shepherd of Hermas ( (Book I), Vision 3,, Chapter 7) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/02011.htm

CHILIASM Prophecy Aspect: Who is the SHEEP of the OTHER FOLD? Could it be NON ELECT SALVATION? Image is Slide 238 in Powerpoint . Please see Slide 237 earlier first with early CHRISTIAN PROPHECY quotes by CHILIASM & NON-CHILIASM Church Fathers regarding who could be the LOST SHEEP.

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Almost all of non-Chiliasm Christianity claims it is “Gentile Sheep” while earliest surviving Church Father quotes using that phrase or concept is by CHILIASM Church Fathers St. Justin of Rome (St. Justin Martyr & St. Ireneaous of Lyons) where their combined quote below seems to indicate that the LOST SHEEP is the SHEEP of ANOTHER FOLD and it opens the POSSIBILITY of NON-ELECT SALVATION because the original Koine Greek Bible Word here for Sheep “FOLD” is Sheep “PEN” or “HOUSE” for sheep meaning “different house for sheep” hence ELECT SHEEP gets HEAVEN (notice even “lowest elect reward thirtyfold Christian sheep” gets “lowest heaven new Jerusalem city reward” in final new heaven inheritance as per St. Papias & St. Ireneaous’ identical quote seen in Slide 235 earlier & compare with “saved by fire” case of 1 Corinthians 3:15 with “no” reward as discussed in Slides 223, 224, 227 even with St. Gregory Nazianzus & St. Jerome as St. Ireneaous/St. Justin’s quote didn’t survive for these parts) which can agree to the POSSIBILITY of NON-ELECT SALVATION of being SAVED on that FINAL NEW EARTH as explained in SLIDE 227 as even here St. Ireneaous of Lyons other quote regarding MOST BLESSED LORD JESUS CHRIST Saving the “LOST SHEEP/PERISHED SHEEP” in Slide 237 [Koine Greek Root Words for “LOST/PERISH” is same in case you didn’t know] and CHRIST SAVES ALL LOST SHEEP until HE FINDS it according to LUKE 15:4, Matthew 18:12 or Ezekiel 34:11 is interesting because St. Ireneaous’ quote here implies that SALVATION in SPIRIT WORLD hence could be NON ELECT SALVATION SHEEP on that FINAL EARTH TRANSFERRED from LEFT to RIGHT HAND on JUDGMENT DAY? Some Fallen Christians and Unbelievers could be “lost sheep” getting same portion on Final New earth only if saved by fire as Luke 12:46 mentions if these quotes combined can mean this [From Page 52 onward of the #ChiliasmBook] Chiliasm Fathers St. Irenaeous of Lyons and St. Justin Martyr call the Jew vs Gentile Sheep as “Spotted/Coloured” Sheep instead of Sheep of the ‘’Öther fold” of John 10:16 Let GOD Decide but I present the EVIDENCE HONESTLY which GOD Will UNDERSTAND even if WRONG as I did NOT create ‘church history’. Only “later Church Fathers” mention the usual claim that jew-vs-gentile sheep determines fold vs other fold as I cannot find any Church Fathers in their timeline doing the same. If anyone claims otherwise, please show me with quote & source (i.e. proof, fair & unbiased, right?). Image is [From Page 64 & 155 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]; both quotes here are by CHILIASM CHURCH FATHERS

“… In a foreign country were the twelve tribes born, the race of Israel, inasmuch as Christ was also, in a strange country, to generate the twelve-pillared foundation of the Church. Various colored sheep were allotted to this Jacob as his wages; and the wages of Christ are human beings, who from various and diverse nations come together into one cohort of faith, …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, ‘Against Heresies’, (Book IV, Chapter 21), Points 3-partial) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103421.htm

“… now on the other hand Christ has come to restore both the free sons and the servants among them, conferring the same honour on all of them who keep His commandments; even as the children of the free women and the children of the bond women born to Jacob were all sons, and equal in dignity. And it was foretold what each should be according to rank and according to fore-knowledge. Jacob served Laban for speckled and many-spotted sheep; and Christ served, even to the slavery of the cross, for the various and many-formed races of mankind, acquiring them by the blood and mystery of the cross. …” – Blessed St. Justin of Rome (St. Justin Martyr), a Great Early Christian Apologist who is a Foremost Exponent of the Divine Word, who Influenced Virtually all of subsequent Christian philosophy and Catholic theology, Martyr for Christ, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church (c. 100AD – c. 160 AD, Dialogue with Trypho the Jew, CHAPTER CXXXIV (Chapter 134))Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/01289.htm

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How to Prove to a “Messianic Jew” (Jewish Christian type) that MOST BLESSED LORD JESUS CHRIST is GOD? Did you know that ALL official translations (& paraphrases) from the “Messianic Jewish” camp itself translates JOHN 1:1 as “LORD JESUS (The WORD) as GOD?” Proof below:

1) Messianic Jews’ Bible “English” translation (so done/approved by the best “Jewish Bible Scholars” with the “Most Blessed Holy Spirit” and it cannot be that ‘newer versions in future to correct something which EVERY TRANSLATION listed here has APPROVED namely LORD JESUS CHRIST was WITH GOD and IS GOD at the SAME TIME!):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messianic_Bible_translations

2) Here is John 1:1 from each one on this list with Source (no empty claims):

i) Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

“… 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.2 He was with God in the beginning. …” (John 1:1)

Source:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%201&version=CJB

ii) Tree of Life Version of the Holy Scriptures (TLV)

“… 1In the beginning was the Word. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. …” (John 1:1)

Source: https://www.bible.com/bible/314/JHN.1.TLV

iii) Messianic Jewish Literal Translation of the New Covenant Scriptures (MJLT NCS)

“… In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. …” (Yochanan 1:1)

Source: https://www.mjlt.org/

iv) New Jerusalem Version (NJV)

“… In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word was God. …” (John 1:1)

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7QrVRN7OTQ

v) World Messianic Bible (British Edition)

“… 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. …” (John 1:1)

Source: https://www.bibliatodo.com/en/parallel-bible/?l=john&cap=1&i=en&v=WMBBE&ii=en&vv=NKJV

vi) New Messianic Version Bible

“…1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God-Theos, and the Word was God-Theos. …” (John 1:1)

Source: https://www.bible.com/bible/2135/JHN.1.NMV

vii) Orthodox Jewish Bible

“… 1 Bereshis (in the Beginning) was the Dvar Hashem [YESHAYAH 55:11; BERESHIS 1:1], and the Dvar Hashem was agav (along with) Hashem [MISHLE 8:30; 30:4], and the Dvar Hashem was nothing less, by nature, than Elohim! [Psa 56:11(10); Yn 17:5; Rev. 19:13. … 14 And the Dvar Hashem took on gufaniyut (corporeality) and made his sukkah, his Mishkan (Tabernacle) among us [YESHAYAH 7:14], and we [Shlichim, 1Y 1:1-2] gazed upon his Kavod [SHEMOT 33:18; 40:34; YESHAYAH 60:1-2], the Shechinah of the Ben Yachid from Elohim HaAv, full of Hashem’s Chesed v’Emes. …” (John 1:1, 14)

Source: https://biblehub.com/ojb/john/1.htm

viii) The Living Scriptures

“… 1 1-2 Before anything else existed,[a] there was Christ, with God. He has always been alive and is himself God. …”

Source: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%201%3A1-14&version=TLB

Peace to you

A CHILIASM CHURCH Father and one of the greatest JEWISH Bishops after the time of the apostles who also acknowledge LORD JESUS CHRIST as GOD. To quote (Example):

“… [a.d. 160-170-177.] Melito may have been the immediate successor of the “angel” (or “apostle”) of the church of Sardis, to whom our Great High Priest addressed one of the apocalyptic messages. He was an “Apostolic Father” in point of fact; he very probably knew the blessed Polycarp and his disciple Irenaeus. He is justly revered for the diligence with which he sought out the evidence which, in his day, established the Canon of the Old Testament, then just complete …”

Source: https://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/melito.html

Slide 240. #CHILIASM #CONCLUSION: The #First #Christians. #Free Powerpoint Link:

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If people ask me which #CHRISTIANITY I would love to fellowship with most, I would say a #TRINITARIAN and #CHILIASM type as isn’t it strange that even earliest known #CHURCH #HISTORY records for example Blessed St. #Melito of Sardis who was a “J#EWISH” by race and Bishop who succeeded the CHURCH at SARDIS to whom one of the “Book of Revelation” letter was given for correction of Doctrine (e.g. Revelation 3:1) was both TRINITARIAN & believed in CHILIASM as even the non-Chiliasm ——> Church Father St. #Jerome of the Vulgate who studied his writing said Tertullian and others even consider St. Melito a PROPHET and notice even St. Polycarp or other CHILIASM Fathers before him such as St. #Irenaeus of Lyons,St. #Justin Martyr, St. #Papias, #Tertullian etc. are listed in his famous book titled “Illustrious Men” , link (if keen): https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/2708.htm and even the “#Catholic Encyclopedia” (though they may not release all writings) admits that St. Melito was a CHILIASM Church Father and even Sir Isaac #Newton (one of the greatest #Mathematician and #Physicist etc.) was right on this point when he studied ancient Church History and realized that earliest CHRISTIANS (e.g. St. Melito of Sardis, St. Justin of Rome (St. Justin Martyr), St. Ireneaous of Lyons etc. were ALL of CHILIASM #PROPHECY type (and that’s my answer to WHETHER all these CHRISTIANS had the #HOLY #SPIRIT or were SPIRIT-LED but whether I am quoting them right, is open to debate as I present the #EVIDENCE honestly in earlier slides but can you prove your view with them, why not, fair, right?). Peace 2 u.

From Slide 241 in Powerpoint. Appendix: An Interesting Summary in full by one of the GREATEST DISCOVERER in MATH and SCIENCE without which we would NOT even have say CALCULUS (Higher Math begins with this) or even all the Newtonian LAWS of PHYSICS etc. none of the than Sir Isaac Newton who can #ERR in #DOCTRINE being #human but CHURCH HISTORY quotes are INDEPENDENT of him and REMAINS #TRUE whether or NOT we LIE or HIDE CHILIASM HISTORY, right? That’s what I #RESPECT about him, HONESTY ( Can you see ALL the BIG CHILIASM NAMES I quoted in earlier Powerpoint Slides? Best is it remains true even if I did NOT quote it NOR knew about it, right?), to quote next.

Image is Slide 241 in Powerpoint. #Appendix: An #Interesting #Summary in full by one of the #GREATEST #DISCOVERER in #MATH and #SCIENCE without which we would NOT even have say #CALCULUS (Higher Math begins with this) or even all the Newtonian #LAWS of #PHYSICS etc. none of the than #Sir Isaac #Newton who can #ERR in #DOCTRINE being #human but #CHURCH #HISTORY quotes are #INDEPENDENT of him and REMAINS #TRUE whether or NOT we #LIE or #HIDE #CHILIASM HISTORY, right? That’s what I #RESPECT about him, #HONESTY ( Can you see ALL the #BIG CHILIASM NAMES I quoted in earlier Powerpoint #Slides? Best is it remains true even if I did NOT quote it NOR knew about it, right?),

“… JUSTIN MARTYR, who within thirty years after JOHN’S death became a CHRISTIAN, writes expressly that a certain man among the Christians whose name was John, one of the twelve Apostles of Christ, in the Revelation which was shewed him, prophesied that those who believed in Christ should live a thousand years at Jerusalem. And a few lines before he saith: But I, and as many as are Christians, in all things right in their opinions, believe both that there shall be a resurrection of the flesh, and a thousand years life at Jerusalem built, adorned and enlarged. Which is as much as to say, that all true CHRISTIANS in that early age received this Prophecy: for in all ages, as many as believed the thousand years, received the APOCALYPSE as the foundation of their opinion: and I do not know one instance to the contrary. PAPIAS Bishop of HIERAPOLIS, a man of the Apostolic age, and one of JOHN S own disciples, did not only teach the doctrine of the thousand years, but also l asserted the APOCALYPSE as written by divine inspiration. MELITO who flourished next after JUSTIN, 2 wrote a commentary upon this Prophecy ; and he, being Bishop of SARDIS one of the seven Churches, could neither be ignorant of their tradition about it, nor impose upon them. IRENAEUS, who was contemporary with MELITO, wrote much upon it, and said, that the number 666 was in all the antient and approved copies; and that he had it also confirmed to him by those who had seen John face to face, meaning no doubt his master POLYCARP for one. At the same time 1 THEOPHILUS Bishop of ANTIOCH asserted it, and so did TERTULLIAN, CLEMENS ALEXANDRINUS, and ORIGEN soon after ; and their contemporary HIPPOLYTUS the Martyr, Metro politan of the ARABIANS (HIERON), wrote a commentary upon it. All these were antient men, flourishing within a hundred and twenty years after JOHN S death, and of greatest note in the Churches of those times. Soon after did VICTORINUS PICTAVIENSIS write another commentary upon it; and he lived in the time of DIOCLESIAN. This may surely suffice to shew how the APOCALYPSE was received and studied in the first ages : and I do not indeed find any other book of the New Testament so strongly attested, or commented upon so early as this. The Prophecy said: Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this Prophecy, and keep the things which are written therein. This animated the first CHRISTIANS to study it so much, till the difficulty made them remit, and comment more upon the other books of the New Testa ment. This was the state of the APOCALYPSE, till the thousand years being misunderstood, brought a prejudice against it: and DIONYSIUS of ALEXANDRIA, noting how it abounded with barbarisms, that is with HEBRAISMS, promoted that prejudice so far, as to cause many GREEKS in the fourth century to doubt of the book. But whilst the LATINS, and a great part of the GREEKS, always retained the APOCALYPSE, and the rest doubted only out of prejudice, it makes nothing against its authority. …” (Sir Isaac Newton’s Daniel and the Apocalypse with an introductory study of the nature and the cause of unbelief, of miracles and prophecy, by Sir William Whitla; 1922; Murray, London, pp. 300, 303-304)

Slide 242 in Powerpoint: Logic of Contentment Doctrine. Faith and Money link: Guess the “#ProsperityGospel” or “#LawofAttraction” did not work for #VincentVanGogh. Did you know that his father was a #Reformed Church #Pastor? (founded by Blessed John #Calvin type – quote below later)? Thoughts to Ponder (Analogy across different fields):

i) Notice how many “art teachers” in comparison run “art schools” and make more money than him “in relative measure” without ever producing a “world class art painting worth millions, right”?

Art is not needed for “survival in real life” but nobody complains about it like they do about “math in school” even though Math is actually used in real life but it’s “hidden” & they cannot see & needful technologies could only be created with it. Can you “see” it?

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ii) Notice how many “music teachers” in comparison run “music schools or are professors” and make more money than him “in relative measure” without ever producing a “world class hit song worth millions, right”?

iii) Notice how many “bible teachers or pastors” in comparison run “prosperity gospel churches” and make more money than him “in relative measure” unless doctrinally they must be “right” that much, one day we will know but comparing with #CHILIASM quotes, looks scary, right?

Why? The Bible is always right as it is “Probability” (“Time & Chance” and GOD Ordained it like that) according to Ecclesiastes 9:11 as explained in Slide 218 earlier (special cases are there but this is the “general rule” for life) and “contentment” doctrine without which even “faith or #Godliness or #Holiness” has “little to no” value as the Bible Warned in 1 Timothy 6:5 – 6 & GOD Judges it by “#CHARITY #DOCTRINE” Lifestyle by “Relative Measure” of what one has in “#Riches” lived for “Eternal Life” Fruit” as 1 Timothy 6:17 – 19 or Luke 10:25 – 37 or remember the “#Rich Man in #Hell in Luke 16:19 – 31 as CHRIST Taught as it is Written that the reason is NOT doing CHARITY DOCTRINE enough as EVEN #RICH #ABRAHAM Taught (meaning he did it) —> please read “… But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. …” (Luke 16:25) as CHRIST cannot be teaching this meaning and then meaning something “hidden” which is NOT Written, misleading his “simple faith hearers etc.”, right?

He must have been a #BigSinner or #small #faith by “#their #logic. If it was #lousy, why is he one of the #best #artists of #alltime but only after his #death? Similarly the value of our faith and #belief #accuracy is determined by #GOD Alone in another World for as level of Final #Resurrection #Body #Glory as #Daniel 12:3 #Prophesied in regards to “#Wise” vs “#convert others to #righteousness (#Holiness) part which only shines lower levels as the #Stars as I mentioned many times as #Church #Fathers taught likewise too (Please see powerpoint and free pdfs) and if the #Bible compares so must we, right?. Example quote:

“… Vincent Van Gogh was born the second of six children into a religious Dutch Reformed Church family in the south of the Netherlands. His father, Theodorus Van Gogh, was a clergyman and his mother, Anna Cornelia Carbentus, was the daughter of a bookseller. Van Gogh exhibited unstable moods during his childhood, and showed no early inclination toward art-making, though he excelled at languages while attending two boarding schools. In 1868, he abandoned his studies and never successfully returned to formal schooling. … In his lifetime, Van Gogh created 900 paintings and made 1,100 drawings and sketches, but only sold one painting during his career. With no children of his own, most of Van Gogh’s works were left to brother Theo. …”

Source: https://www.theartstory.org/artist/van-gogh-vincent/

Unfairness in this life, i.e. “persecuted for righteousness” is rewarded in the “Kingdom of Heaven” (notice the word “persecuted”) as CHRIST Taught in Matthew 5:10 so all is fair always.

Slide 243 in Powerpoint – God’s Will for Money.
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#Comedy #Time = #ProsperityGospel . Example: None of those who heard #CHRIST during His #Sermon on “#Abundant #Life” started claiming “#Faith for #Money” things nor got “#rich after that #Preaching. Lord #Jesus is talking #Mystically about #Abundant #Spiritual #Life (John 10) regardless of outward #Finance especially to convert it to #Treasure in #Heaven for the #Heart will be where the #Treasure is (Luke 12:30 – 34).

Notice CHRIST never said you can have treasure on earth and heaven but only one place (we have to choose how much to convert “treasure on earth” to “treasure in heaven” only via “Charity Doctrine” – if there was another way CHRIST Would have Said it & no need this way); losses are eternal. Can you #See it?

Slide 143 – 145 (Abundant Life Discussion).

Slides 202 to 211 regarding God’s Finance Will with “#Bible Verses” (example: can you do the opposite namely show how God’s Finance Will is “enjoy life with prosperity without CHARITY DOCTRINE by RELATIVE MEASURE?” Which Verse? Never build a life without God’s Word from the New Testament).

Slide 242 – Luke 16:19 – 31 in CHRIST Own Words Prove that even “#Rich #Abraham” did CHARITY DOCTRINE and that’s why GOD used him to remind the “rich men who go to hell type” (which is a REAL STORY & not parable only, 2nd meaning can be true) as Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons also affirmed [see Page 469 of the #DoctrineBook] that ‘Abraham is a type of rich man who was known for comforting the POOR like LAZARUS with his OWN MONEY & that’s why HADES/SHEOL’s comfort region is called ABRAHAM’s BOSOM & WHY GOD CHOSE Abraham in the FIRST place is because he did CHARITY DOCTRINE to CHRIST itself in GENESIS WITHOUT KNOWING even [see Page 38/39 onward of the #DoctrineBook for St. Ireneaous of Lyon’s quote for Abraham] & hence the GREATEST PROMISE of SONS of FAITH will be like him for HEAVENS through CHRIST was given as many Church Father taught too (e.g. [From Page 199, 346, 351, 366, 535, onward of the #BibleandChurchFathersQuoteBook].

Romans 12:12 – 13 teaches NOT just to pray but also do CHARITY DOCTRINE (both needed for complete obedience of John 14:15’s Love of God & Sign of Holy Spirit which is ability to obey) as John 14:15 – 18 means. So do we have the HOLY SPIRIT without obeying all these Verses? (God have Mercy).

Peace 2 u.

What #Doctrines matter for #ELECT #SALVATION? With Blessed St. #Irenaeus of Lyons (#CHILIASM Aspect)

1) Contrary to popular scare SLIDES 157 & 158 already prove with Blessed #Prophet #Ezra whom #GOD used to rewrite entire lost #Jewish #Canon that even “#non-Elect Salvation to #Universalism requests” does NOT make one #unsaved and in fact GOD was #IMPRESSED by it as Book of #Esdras (Ezra in full) Reveals.

2) #CHARITY DOCTRINE is a must by #RELATIVE #MEASURE as even SLIDE 243 or earlier ones reveal as proof of #LOVE of GOD & #FINANCIAL #HOLINESS (Slide 211)

3) St. Ireneaous of Lyons’ Quotes below prove these claims in a way [Image is Slide 244 in Powerpoint]

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[From Page 38/39 onward of the #DoctrineBook]

Those who are racist, full of nepotism and also do not practice justice (apart from holiness doctrine) especially in the CONTEXT of CHARITY DOCTRINE in regard to GIVING MONEY to the POOR/NEIGHBOURS for their BENEFIT by RELATIVE MEASURE where PERFECTION is GIVING ALL (like the Blessed Apostles & Church Fathers did FOLLOWING AFTER CHRIST’s OWN COMMAND for PERFECTION*) will NOT become ELECT SALVATION for HEAVEN according to St. Irenaeous of Lyons (not me) in his quote below:
“… And the prophet declares, Circumcise the hardness of your heart. But the Sabbaths taught that we should continue day by day in God’s service. For we have been counted, says the Apostle Paul, all the day long as sheep for the slaughter; Romans 8:36 that is, consecrated [to God], and ministering continually to our faith, and persevering in it, and abstaining from all avarice, and not acquiring or possessing treasures upon earth. Matthew 6:19 Moreover, the Sabbath of God (requietio Dei), that is, the kingdom, was, as it were, indicated by created things; in which [kingdom], the man who shall have persevered in serving God (Deo assistere) shall, in a state of rest, partake of God’s table. …Moreover, all the rest of the multitude of those righteous men who lived before Abraham, and of those patriarchs who preceded Moses, were justified independently of the things above mentioned, and without the law of Moses. As also Moses himself says to the people in Deuteronomy: The Lord your God formed a covenant in Horeb. The Lord formed not this covenant with your fathers, but for you. Deuteronomy 5:2 … as also Moses says in Deuteronomy: And fed you with manna, which your fathers did not know, that you might know that man does not live by bread alone; but by every word of God proceeding out of His mouth does man live. Deuteronomy 8:3 And it enjoined love to God, and taught just dealing towards our neighbour, that we should neither be unjust nor unworthy of God, who prepares man for His friendship through the medium of the Decalogue, and likewise for agreement with his neighbour — matters which did certainly profit man himself; God, however, standing in no need of anything from man. …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, Against Heresies (Book 4(IV), Chapter 16, Points 1,2,3 – highlighted))

Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103416.htm

Highlight that keeping the 10 Commandments (except the Sabbath which does NOT apply to us Gentile believers), i.e. keeping the Decalogue alone is NOT enough for Elect Salvation as some Protestantism errs but we also need to have WORTHY DEALINGS with OUR NEIGHBOUR meaning NO RACISM, NO NEPOTISM etc. for example, do you pay your own race more salary or keep quiet when you receive more salary than another due to racial factors (all other skill level of a person of equal calibre held constant)? I put this simple “salary example” to show how WIDESPREAD and FAKE people are and NO ONE CAN PARTAKE of CHRISTIAN ELECT SALVATION with this as St. Irenaeous’ quote reveals here too.
[From Page 469 onward of the #DoctrineBook] St. Ireneaous of Lyons confirming that this STORY of the RICH MAN and LAZARUS is NOT a parable and it REALLY HAPPENED, to quote:

“… 1. The Lord has taught with very great fullness… — in that narrative which is recorded respecting the rich man and that Lazarus who found repose in the bosom of Abraham. In this account He states Luke 16:19, etc. that Dives knew Lazarus after death, and Abraham in like manner, and that each one of these persons continued in his own proper position, and that [Dives] requested Lazarus to be sent to relieve him — [Lazarus], on whom he did not [formerly] bestow even the crumbs [which fell] from his table… moreover, that the gift of prophecy was possessed by Abraham, and that each class [of souls] receives a habitation such as it has deserved, even before the judgment.…” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, Against Heresies (Book 2(II), Chapter 34, Point 1)

Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103234.htm

Even if say #Lazarus and #Rich #Man Story is a “#Parable” (that did not really happen) regardless a Parable cannot use #imaginary things meaning both the literal and parable meaning must be correct. Hence the literal meaning of such a place for #Hell and the reason why one goes there must be true as well regardless. Notice these #quotes #EXIST# WITHOUT #ME even. Peace to you

True Freedom of Religion: To Convert or Not? In a “fair” turf where everybody can convert into any religion without fear of risk of losing “family, job opportunity, business chances etc.” due to “unwritten human nepotism”, are you sure your religion would have as many converts as it has now or lesser? Let God show it One Day, fair, right? Image is Slide 245 in Powerpoint;

Example Song below doesn’t seem right (though it has a singer with great vocal & musical skills which is a different aspect – in image):

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Song itself does NOT respect religions which teach to convert. Proper meaning if really respecting others should be:

1) Don’t comment on other religions and beliefs at all (that’s what I follow); if someone from my religion so called Christian does not follow that, that’s not me as I follow the rule NOT to comment on other religions etc. as per 1 Corinthians 5:9 – 13 (Slide 183 & Slide 206 in Powerpoint if keen).

2) If someone wants to convert to another religion, let them do so & don’t discriminate them nor call them betrayer of own race etc. or sing a song to ridicule those who convert right? Doesn’t believing in “Freedom of Religion” or “humanity” beyond words include “supporting” those who “teach to convert to other religion” as well, right?

3) If someone converts to another religion, don’t discriminate them in family, job, homeland privileges etc. Only then one can call themselves as “human”, fair, right?

4) The only way to promote one’s religion would be “who does more good to people of different religions and NOT toward those of same race, religion, family only, fair, right?” If not, what’s the point of a selfish religion which only teaches to care for same race, religion, family only? Proof of it is action not words for example from simplest thing like “how much of personal income/possessions have we shared or given to those of DIFFERENT race, religion, family?” to bigger things like say in one’s homeland or places where one’s religion is majority again “how many people of those of DIFFERENT race, religion, family earn a living & live better off than their living standards/income from country of origin even?”

If we can do the above, then we can call ourselves “human” and the rest is just empty drama & just good for entertainment but plain hypocrisy as well, fair, right? True Religion is BOTH Holiness + Charity Doctrine (James 1:27). Peace to you

“#Time and #Chance” Example (Ecclesiastes 9:11). Being a “#Genius” or “#Academically #Gifted” does not necessarily mean “#Good #Character” (same #analogy can be applied to any other field be it #arts or #music etc.).

Please notice that this is “not” some local #Degree/#Masters/#PhD “level” but a “WORLD CLASS” (example: How many of the BEST “#Professors” say in Math or other field from your #race/#country will have even their PHD recognized as a ‘#real pHD’ or ‘their degree/masters or more importantly not paper qualification but #ABILITY to match this #MURDERER even (but #GOD did “not” stop him from attaining that part, right? so “Time and Chance” is to make #FREEWILL within BOUNDS as #REAL). “#Unabomber Case”.

#ATTITUDE is way MORE IMPORTANT than any #TALENT. Remember “Unabomber” was a “#HARVARD #MATH PROFESSOR” (a technical field and not some “#opinion” fields of study – can you see it?) Scary, right? Example: Did you know that Titus 3:14 reads that WITHOUT CHARITY DOCTRINE type of GOOD WORK of MEETING URGENT NEEDS (not prosperity lifestyle) is considered UNFRUITFUL (Original Koine Greek Word which links to “know them by their fruits” in Matthew 7:13 – 20 and Luke 3:9 as shown in Slide earlier too and which was also the SIN of SODOM (Ezekiel 16:49) as well. Can you really see it “as it is Written”?

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Slide 247. Can a divorced remarry? Part 1 (Aim: Using this Topic to study whether the MOST BLESSED HOLY SPIRIT of GOD is with which CHURCH? (e.g. ROMAN CATHOLICS, ORTHODOX or PROTESTANTS be it REFORMED, PENTECOSTAL, METHODIST, LUTHERAN etc. because a CHRISTIAN with the HOLY SPIRIT can ERR on DOCTRINE which leads to loss of rewards only but he CANNOT err on a DOCTRINE which LEADS to ETERNAL HELL such as “possible ADULTERY”, right? (John 16:13)

Please read “Scary Position’s bolded words link from Luke 16:18 to 1 Corinthians 6:9 – 10” below to understand as the link is majority of CHRISTIANS OATH their belief to one of these denominations meaning ROMANS 1:32 already WARNED that not only those who do it but also those who approve it are condemned, right?

Notice you CANNOT argue that YOUR DENOMINATION can be WRONG on this TOPIC and say the HOLY SPIRIT was with them as the SPIRIT CANNOT lead to a DOCTRINE of ADULTERY, right? I present the EVIDENCE in SLIDE 246 onward; please read first. Also what if “shall not inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Corinthians 6:9 – 11) means CANNOT ENTER HEAVEN as per REVELATION 21:27 but MAYBE be SAVED on that FINAL NEW EARTH as REVELATION 21:24 – 26 records for if all nations saved after Judgment Day’s Book of Life is revealed in Revelation 21:24 enters heaven, then no need for gate to filter them, right?

Please see some POSSIBILITIES (not doctrine) as not fully sure but I PRESENT the EVIDENCE in SLIDES 222 – 230 or 235 – 238 earlier. Please read first because it may be DIFFERENT from what you think, so DO NOT assume yet).

1) I am going to call this the Scary Position

“… In the Gospel of Mark, Jesus says “Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she commits adultery.”[5][6] The Gospel of Luke adds that those who marry divorced persons also commit adultery, as recorded in Luke 16;18.[7] 1 Corinthians 6:9–10[8] states that adulterers “shall not inherit the kingdom of God”.[5] The only lawful ground for divorce available to the innocent spouse is fornication, or adultery, on the part of the guilty mate, as recorded in Matthew 19:9.[9] Nevertheless, The Shepherd of Hermas, an early Christian work on the subject, teaches that while fornication is the only reason that divorce can ever be permitted, remarriage with another person is forbidden to allow repentance and reconciliation of the husband and wife (those who refuse to forgive and receive their spouse are guilty of a grave sin).[1] This Christian teaching is echoed in 1 Corinthians 7:10–11,[10] which forbids divorce and states that those spouses who have deserted their husband/wife should return their partner; if that is absolutely impossible, the husband and wife should remain chaste.[1] …”

Source:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_views_on_divorce

2) If the original marriage was a CHRISTIAN WEDDING,

i) then REMARRIAGE AFTER DIVORCE is NOT allowed in the Roman Catholic Church at all generally (unless marriage was non-canonical so annulment rare-scenarios) and neither was allowed by the ANGLICAN CHURCHES only until about 2002 officially (strange, right?) or some rare Methodists or protestant-breakaways etc. .

ii) then REMARRIAGE AFTER DIVORCE is ALLOWED in SOME CIRCUMSTANCES in the ORTHODOX CHURCH such as the most famous case of the INNOCENT PARTY in ADULTERY-DIVORCE can REMARRY according to even MARTIN LUTHER (First Protestant), JOHN CALVIN (Founder of REFORMED CHURCHES), JOHN WESLEY (Main Founder of METHODIST CHURCHES), CHURCH of CHRIST and ALMOST ALL “Speaking in tongues” PENTECOSTAL Churches including the ASSEMBLIES of GOD (AOG).

3) If the original marriage was a NON-CHRISTIAN WEDDING (example both persons were UNBAPTIZED and married in the name of foreign gods and NOT CHRIST), the “PAULINE PRIVELEGE” theology may ALLOW such a DIVORCED to REMARRY under CERTAIN CONDITIONS which is the stance of ALL Roman Catholics, ALL Orthodox, ALMOST ALL Protestants & we can say even up to possibly 90% to 99% of CHRISTIANS today EXCEPT VERY FEW do NOT allow this even whose quotes include in ANCIENT TIMES CHILIASM FATHERS of the CHURCH (strange, right?)

In next slides I will show you proof quotes for each claim made. Remember, please read first!

Who do I follow? The Blessed CHILIASM Fathers of the CHURCH which I feel is safest & risk-free. If a divorced person really needs to remarry by “God’s Will”, then best way would be GOD Himself would make the WRONG-DIVORCED-SPOUSE DEAD naturally (no murder) so the INNOCENT-DIVORCED one can REMARRY if really that innocent, right?

Can a divorced remarry? Part 2 SAMPLE PROOFS for the CLAIM in part 2i) earlier namely DIVORCED-CHRISTIANS-CANNOT REMARRY under any CIRCUMSTANCES as long as the divorced party is alive (of course can remarry if widow or widower). Remember it does NOT matter which sources are quoted as long is it is correct (if you say it’s unreliable, please provide proof or refrain because speaking without evidence may break one of the 10 Commandments of bearing a “false witness”). No one can be condemned for presenting EVIDENCE as that’s HONESTY especially when already explaining this part.

Real Last Slide 259 in Powerpoint – #Doctrine & #Church History – “#Why?” is this important?

It is Written that #GOD is NOT the AUTHOUR of #CONFUSION (1 Corinthians 14:33) and we are to “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, “ (2 Timothy 2:15) so that our life is NOT spent wasted on “#prosperity/worldly pursuits without #CHARITY DOCTRINE to match it meaning given more, more required without which is #SERIOUS #SIN (Ezekiel 16:49)?” (remember Slide 246 earlier?).

Our life focus should be to “#contend earnestly for the #faith which was once for all delivered to the #saints.” (Jude 1:3) so how can that FAITH #CHANGE so much in 2000 years across so many #denominations? For example, the 100 year plus year old newest “#Pentecostal” denominations has most number or #variations of doctrine so isn’t that “#confusion”?

We can escape only if we can prove our doctrine or “#possibilities which exists unless we claim to “know it all” 100% which is a #prideful position”. Some errors lead to #loss of #salvation while some to loss of #rewards. Let God have #Mercy on whomever He Wills.

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To claim one doesn’t believe “#Church #History” is a “#Comedy position” & an insult to God for then God has NO #sovereignty for first 1500 years when the stance was the same as per the example in this “Divorce after remarriage”? (recent Slides 247 to 258).

Error in doctrine can only be corrected if it can be proven that the “#First Christians” [those earlier in time] did “not” do/believe something or “did/believe” in something which today was modified; God allows anyone to modify to allow “#freewill” which will be judged accordingly either as “loss of salvation” [Hebrews 10:26 – 31] or “loss of rewards” [Matthew 5:19 – 20] depending on the Topic which only God can Decide but our duty is to present the EVIDENCE (e.g. Church History Quotes) and NOT read from “own understanding” [risky] NOR claim the Most Blessed #HOLY #SPIRIT told me for which must be 100% correct to respect Him 100% [or if not JUDGED everlastingly/Olam as WARNED in Jeremiah 23 as per LAST SLIDE 213 earlier or some denied as #LAWLESS in the GREAT Denial Matthew 7:20 – 23 or even unforgiven for blasphemy against the HOLY SPIRIT which is “speaking anything AGAINST Him” which includes “simply quoting Him on our errors (if we turn out wrong), right?” Matthew 12:30 – 32). If I quote “Church History” and was “wrong” in any “possibility of doctrine” presented, I can claim #HONESTY and NOT bear false witness [Exodus 20:16] because it’s based on “WITNESS” [which here is “MAINSTREAM CHURCH HISTORY” quotes/interpretation] and even to the point of PROPHECY if claimed as OWN ORACLE like this can be #FORGIVEN even if WRONG as GOD HIMSELF allowed in Jeremiah 23:36 so NO CONDEMNATION and a #RESPONSIBLE PREACHING of the GOSPEL is DONE.

Those who are more right in doctrine & prophecy interpretation etc. will SHINE like #HEAVENS in FINAL #RESURRECTION BODY GLORY which is way greater than even #CONVERTING MANY into BASIC RIGHTEOUSNESS type of CHRISTIANITY as DANIEL 12:3 has already #PROPHESIED (and Church Fathers) quote it likewise too.

Please read the Powerpoint and free PDFS/Books carefully as more quotes & topics are there before accusing anything as it could be #DIFFERENT from what you ASSUME too (John 7:51). Best is, even as it is I am a WORSE #SINNER than you, these QUOTES are mostly by CHURCH FATHERS #HOLIER than ANYONE in YOUR DENOMINATIONS too and they EXIST #WITHOUT ME EVEN, so does my sins/faults disprove anything? Can you do the #same with Church History for your claims?

Peace to you

#Disturbing #Christian #Facts – Even views regarding #Justification we #vary so much – so which did #GOD #Teach? If it’s the latest ones, so did those Christians who #existed #before that #denomination existed went to #hell? If they are #saved, then only #rewards differ, right? #Difficult, isn’t it? #Point #proven.

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Final P/S: How to do SPIRITUAL STATISTICS? Example with “Justification” Doctrine and Pentecostal Christianity (proof of human freewill in all of it). Slide 260 in Powerpoint. Why didn’t I list “Pentecostal” Churches’ view above? Because it varies so much that it can be a mix of any of the above depending on which “pastor” you listen to. #Disturbing #Christian #Facts – Even views regarding #Justification we #vary so much – so which did #GOD #Teach? If it’s the latest ones, so did those Christians who #existed #before that #denomination existed went to #hell? If they are #saved, then only #rewards differ, right? #Difficult, isn’t it? #Point #proven.

Why didn’t I list “Pentecostal” Churches’ view here? Because it varies so much that it can be a mix of any of the above depending on which “pastor” you listen to. Method of Research: It’s kind of like “spiritual statistics” where to understand a “Christian population”, we study “samples” which here are “mainstream denominations” (not cults). Example: even if say “speaking in tongues type they do” is true they are still false teachers because Bible already said that NOT “all” (Christians) speak in tongues in 1 Corinthians 12:30 & so Pentecostal position that it’s connected to salvation is false as CHRISTIANS can be SAVED without THE REAL SPEAKING in TONGUES even while here we DO NOT even know if it is REAL or not. Also each Pentecostal Bible school or breakaways makes a “pentecostal pastor” out of that even by getting such a serious doctrine wrong, can you see it? That’s why as I said all these God allowed by “freewill” & each is accountable before God & we know each Christian can have doctrinal error but we respect more those who are “more right” such as CHILIASM CHURCH FATHERS etc.) and I consider each doctrine personally.

Final P/S part 2: Slide 261 in Powerpoint. Would you risk ETERNAL “loss of rewards” vs “loss of Salvation” in regard to all these aspects as even shown within these powerpoint slides (more in free pdf books)? NOT me. As Blessed St. Clement of Rome (Pope Clement I for Roman Catholics) has PROPHESIED (please see Slide 128 earlier) that MAJORITY of CHRISTIANS can be WRONG so for me I follow CHILIASM CHURCH FATHERS especially St. Ireneaous of Lyons & St. Justin of Rome for parts of writing which survived of course with Bible Verses. Problem: Everyone claims to use the Bible but say opposite things, right? It is WRITTEN that GOD is NOT the AUTHOUR of CONFUSION (1 Corinthians 14:33).

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There are varied topics but I show ONLY on one TOPIC which AFFECTS SALVATION which is CHARITY DOCTRINE below vs Pentecostal Gift claims. Problem: Pentecostals are overly hyped up about “Speaking in Tongues or miracles or other gifts” which have have NOTHING to do WITH SALVATION ONLY REWARD as 1 Corinthians 12:30 already PROVE. Remove these “gifts” aspect & there is NO Pentecostal Christianity, can you see it? In case you don’t understand, here’s the equation:

(any classical christian position) + (pentecostal gift claims) = (charismatic Christianity)

Examples:

(Roman Catholic) + (pentecostal gift claims) = (Charismatic Roman Catholic)

(Lutheran) + (pentecostal gift claims) = (Charismatic Lutheran)

(Methodist) + (pentecostal gift claims) = (Charismatic Methodist) etc.

(No classical denomination) + (pentecostal gift claims) = (Pentecostal Christianity)

Problem: CHARITY DOCTRINE has to do with SALVATION but many in modern Christianity especially protestants be it pentecostal Christianity or otherwise don’t understand nor emphasize it much (remember JUDGMENT DAY Verses in Matthew 25:31 – 46 or Rich Man & Lazarus in Luke 16:19 – 31?) but usually is thought of as a “reward-context” (true also) but FEW REALIZE & TEACH it in SANCTIFICATION CONTEXT (meaning risking HELL or loss of rewards, let GOD DECIDE that part as shown in free books/powerpoint with Bible Verses + Church Father quotes – can you really see it?). Examples below from Holy Scripture: Three or more ETERNALLY DAMNABLE SINS but GOD GAVE ONE SOLUTION for SANTIFICATION FRUIT (so am I a false teacher or preaching something not affecting eternity?):

1) Pride of King Nebuchadnezzar —> Solution is CHARITY DOCTRINE by Prophet Daniel 4:27

2) Covetous don’t inherit Kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9 – 11) such as Sodom which loved “prosperity & idleness” —> Solution is CHARITY DOCTRINE by Prophet Ezekiel 16:49

3)Outward Holiness but inward wickedness & self-indulgence or prosperity loving
—-> Solution taught by Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ Directly is CHARITY DOCTRINE (Luke 11:39 – 45) or CHARITY DOCTRINE also by Apostle St. Paul for “Spiritual Purification/Sanctification” (in Acts 24:17).

Prophesy “who hit you types of things (message from weird phone numbers) checking if I can detect who is it?” which they did to CHRIST (Matthew 26:68) as though “your prophet from any religion” can detect if it’s done back to them likewise (silly) and DO NOT TEST GOD (Matthew 4:7). Based on all these Bible Verses + CHILIASM Church History, who is teaching RISKY DOCTRINES?

Peace to you

Conclusion on CHARITY DOCTRINE – Image is Slide 262 in Powerpoint. CHARITY DOCTRINE in a NUTSHELL – What is Charity Doctrine?

Charity Doctrine is for both Sanctification and Reward. Sanctification cause it removes Judgment of Sins (Luke 11:39 – 45) and without doing it is already sin (Sodom’s case Ezekiel 16:49) and damnable to hell (Matthew 25:31 – 46, Luke 16:19 – 31, Luke 10:25 – 37) and doing more also increases treasure in heaven (Luke 12:30 – 34). Yes each verse above Christ told directly, not through any apostles even and so we can quote the Verse below which refers to “His Words 100%” (so in “Context”):

“… And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. …Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. …” – Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ, God in Flesh, KING of kings and LORD of lords (Matthew 24:11, 35, KJV)

Peace to you

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There are many “Professors” of “Literature” in many “languages” but I know “not” of any who have “Written” say a “story book” with such “feel” such as Professor C S Lewis who wrote the “Chronicles of Narnia” which also became a hit movie apart from JRR Tolkien’s Lord of the rings as well. Here are other interesting facts about C S Lewis which you may not know:

1) C S Lewis was an classical “Anglican”

“… According to Lewis’s 1955 memoir Surprised by Joy, he was baptized in the Church of Ireland but fell away from his faith during adolescence. Lewis returned to Anglicanism at the age of 32, owing to the influence of Tolkien and other friends, and he became an “ordinary layman of the Church of England”. …”
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._S._Lewis

2) C S Lewis DID NOT believe in NON-HUMAN LANGUAGE Pentecostal “Speaking in tongues”

“… From his (CS Lewis’) essay Transposition:
On the one hand, glossolalia has remained an intermittent “variety of religious experience” down to the present day. Every now and then we hear that in some revivalist meeting one or more of those present has burst into a torrent of what appears to be gibberish. The thing does not seem to be edifying, and all non-Christian opinion would regard it as a kind of hysteria, an involuntary discharge of nervous excitement. A good deal even of Christian opinion would explain most instances of it in exactly the same way; and I must confess that it would be very hard to believe that in all instances of it the Holy Ghost is operating. We suspect, even if we cannot be sure, that it is usually an affair of the nerves. That is one horn of the dilemma. On the other hand, we cannot as Christians shelve the story of Pentecost or deny that there, at any rate, the speaking with tongues was miraculous. For the men spoke not gibberish but languages unknown to them though known to other people present. And the whole event of which this makes part is built into the very fabric of the birth-story of the Church. It is this very event which the risen Lord had told the Church to wait for—almost in the last words He uttered before His ascension. It looks, therefore, as if we shall have to say that the very same phenomenon which is sometimes not only natural but even pathological is at other times (or at least at one other time) the organ of the Holy Ghost. And this seems at first very surprising and very open to attack. …” – Professor C S Lewis, Authour of Chronicles of Narnia (essay titled Transposition)

Source:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CSLewis/comments/18e6638/what_were_cs_lewiss_views_on_pentecostals/

3) C S Lewis believed in PURGATORY

“… “Our souls demand Purgatory, don’t they? Would it not break the heart if God said to us, “It is true, my son, that your breath smells and your rags drop with mud and slime, but we are charitable here and no one will upbraid you with these things, nor draw away from you. Enter into the joy.”? Should we not reply, “With submission, sir, and if there is no objection, I’d rather be cleaned first.” “It may hurt, you know.”–“Even so, sir.” I assume that the process of purification will normally involve suffering. Partly from tradition; partly because most real good that has been done me in this life has involved it. …” – Professor C S Lewis, Authour of Chronicles of Narnia (Letters to Malcolm, Letter XX)

Source:

https://www.catholic365.com/article/17757/c-s-lewiss-argument-for-purgatory.html

4) C S Lewis believed in “Prayer for the dead” and NOT “Prayer to the dead”

“… Of course I pray for the dead. The action is so spontaneous, so all but inevitable, that only the most compulsive theological case against it would deter me. And I hardly know how the rest of my prayers would survive if those for the dead were forbidden. At our age the majority of those we love best are dead. What sort of intercourse with God could I have if what I love best were unmentionable to Him? . . . I believe in purgatory. Mind you, the Reformers had good reasons for throwing doubt on “the Romish doctrine concerning Purgatory” as that Romish doctrine had then become. …” – Professor C S Lewis, Authour of Chronicles of Narnia (from his famous semi-catechetical work, Mere Christianity:)

Source:

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2019/10/c-s-lewis-believed-in-purgatory-prayer-for-the-dead.html

Interesting, right? Peace to you

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Slide 263

A closing thought to Ponder regarding Pentecostal Christianity

There are “speaking in non-human language tongues” Roman Catholics too who “pray to virgin Mary” and they caught it from traditional “charismatics” from 1967 onward. In comparison, NONE of CHILIASM Church Fathers have any “Prayers to Virgin Mary” (shocked? Study Church History). There are also “Mormons” who spoke in “non-human language tongues” before the Pentecostal movement itself as well explained in this Video by Mr. Justin Peters (a famous Reformed Church current Theologian). We can be neutral based on honesty that I cannot see into the mind of a person who is doing that as to whether it is real, or done by their flesh but they think it’s real or placebo effect or whether it is demonic etc. (as even the Father of Pentecostalism Mr. Charles Parham himself called non-human language type he encountered like that at the Azusa Street Revival which gave birth to most Pentecostals including even the Assembles of God Church (AOG) an irony isn’t it? Please see Mr. Justin Peter’s video or Slide 48/49 earlier too) So I am neutral but I do NOT participate in any risky things. Which looks more risky CHARITY DOCTRINE (based on Bible Christ’s Words) or PENTECOSTALISM (claims of Parham onward which he even condemned the modern type)? Peace to you

Links:

1) History of the Pentecostal/Charismatic Movement

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0YUdOtEr9k

2) The Origins of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal in the United States: Early Developments in Indiana and Michigan

https://www.euppublishing.com/doi/full/10.3366/swc.2019.0267

3) Catholic Charismatic Renewal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Charismatic_Renewal

Example Slide 264 in Powerpoint for an #HONEST #POSSIBILITY: If you think #OXFORD Professor CS Lewis’ (Authour of Chronicles of #Narnia) belief in #PURGATORY (Slide 263 or 97 earlier) is #SILLY, please read this first. Note: I am NOT saying I am right but if it’s POSIBLE I PRESENT the #EVIDENCE and GOD Will #UNDERSTAND if I am #WRONG (“#Responsible”).

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Roman Catholics believe “Purgatory” is only for imperfect Catholics but this plainly CONTRADICTS even #SHEPHERD of #HERMAS’ quote (considered Scripture-level by many earliest Church Fathers including St. #Irenaeus of Lyons, #Tertullian and even approved by St. #Athanasius the Great) that even SOME of the #UNBAPTIZED can be #SAVED BY #FIRE in it (if God Wills) in SLIDE 238/256 earlier. For those believing in only 66 Bible-books possibility, have you seen these BIBLE Verses below which SEEM to POINT to SOME of the PRISONERS of the “WATERLESS #PIT/#DARKNESS/#SHADOW of #DEATH” (usually refers to #HELL REGIONS) getting SAVED/#WATER of #LIFE in the #SPIRIT WORLD (Slide 122, Isaiah 49:9 – 10) as SAVED by FIRE (1 Corinthians 3:15, Daniel 12:8 – 10, Slides 223/224 earlier) so if this INTERPRETATION is TRUE then it must be NON-ELECT SALVATION of POSSIBILITY on FINAL EARTH as SURELY CANNOT ENTER #HEAVEN (Revelation 21:27) but COULD be part of “NATIONS SAVED on FINAL EARTH” (Revelation 21:24 – 26) as even the BRIDE (Church) calls at that FINAL FUTURE TIME to take the WATER of LIFE #FREELY (Revelation 22:17, Revelation 21:6) to be HEALED via even the #LEAVES of the TREE of LIFE (Revelation 22:2) whose SOURCE is MOST BLESSED #LORD #JESUS #CHRIST (Revelation 22:1 – 3)?

See how difficult honesty with Bible and Church History really is? Does your Bible read differently for these Verses? Let GOD Decide but AM NEUTRAL with EVIDENCE. [From Page 203 to 211 onward of the #ChiliasmBook] Both CHILIASM Church Fathers St. Ireneaous of Lyons (e.g. Slide 237) and St. Melito of Sardis (Slide 240) have called the SHADOW of DEATH phrase as “SPIRIT WORLD #Context” as used by Prof. CS Lewis (Slide 97/263) which could refer to Psalm 107:10 – 14/Luke 1:79 where some may be RELEASED from PRISON/HELL/WATERLESS PIT after MANY DAYS VISITATION (Original Word) in ISAIAH 24:22/Zechariah 9:11 – 12 (if GOD WILLS it by HIS #BLOOD #COVENANT/His Choice).

Peace to you

Slide 266 in Powerpoint.

“… But for the sake of greater accuracy I add, being constrained to write, that there are also other books besides these, which have not indeed been put in the canon, but have been appointed by the Fathers as reading-matter for those who have just come forward and which to be instructed in the doctrine of piety: the Wisdom of Solomon, the Wisdom of Sirach, Esther, Judith, Tobias [Tobit], the so-called Teaching [Didache] of the Apostles, and the Shepherd [of Hermas, “The Pastor”]….“(39th Festal Letter, c. 367 AD) – Blessed St. Athanasius the Great, the First Great Greek Doctor of the Church, the Father of Orthodoxy, Patriarch of Alexandria and Champion of Trinity and Confessor, Coptic Pope, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, more details in [From Page 45/904 onward of the #ChiliasmBook];

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so if St. Athanasius, St. Irenaeous, many 2nd to 4th Century Christians etc. are not in hell to approve this writing or call it Scripture, we can show this EVIDENCE to GOD likewise and it can HELP to UNDERSTAND 66 Bible Books more ACCURATELY too for GREATER REWARD & AVOIDING FATAL DOCTRINAL ERRORS (Aim) meaning ZERO Risk because NO EARLY HOLY SPIRIT FILLED CHRISTIAN NOR CHURCH FATHER has ever DISAPPROVED the “Shepherd of Hermas” but only it went out of use since those days there was NO Internet so NOT everyone knew unless it was transmitted (if anyone claims it was disapproved, ask for quote with source, can you see it?).

Also, even Prophet Daniel did “not” understand Prophecy given to him fully (Daniel 12:8) and Most Blessed LORD JESUS CHRIST Himself called “Nathanael” as with “no” deceit and a true Israelite (in John 1:47) even though Nathanael just WRONGLY claimed ‘can anything good come out of Nazareth?’ (John 1:46) meaning he is an HONEST person though NOT always accurate & in Revelation 3:4 where CHILIASM CHURCH FATHER St. Melito of Sardis was possibly immediate successor (Slide 240 in Powerpoint), CHRIST already Said that sometimes even ONLY A FEW can be MORE ACCURATE or SAVED in HEAVEN-TYPE (read Revelation 3:4 carefully and CHURCH HISTORY with St. Melito points this was a CHILIASM CHURCH! – can you SEE it?)

So “majority in numbers” is NOT proof of God’s approval and in this case the SHEPHERD of HERMAS Writing thing is approved by FIRST CHRISTIANITY’s BEST as shown in Slide 265 earlier too). Here are Shepherd of Hermas’ quote sample quotes from POSSIBLE NON-ELECT SALVATION (Slides 238/256 earlier) or even CHARITY DOCTRINE can be DONE in END of LIFE via a WILL for HOUSE & LANDS (modern adaptation) with such CHARITY LIFESTYLE with SKILLS or MONEY for MAXIMUM heavenly REWARDS (Samples in Shepherd of Hermas’ Third Book: Similitudes, First Similitude & Second Similitude as quoted in Page 70 onward of the #EternalHellAnnihilationUniversalismBook).

“…The Lord has therefore endured all these things on our behalf, in order that we, having been instructed by means of them all, may be in all respects circumspect for the TIME TO COME and that, having been RATIONALLY taught to love God, we may continue in His perfect love: for God has displayed LONG-SUFFERING in the case of MAN’s APOSTASY; while man has been instructed by means of it, as also the prophet says, “THINE OWN APOSTASY shall HEAL THEE; [Jeremiah 2:19]” God thus DETERMINING ALL THINGS BEFOREHAND [Ephesians 1:11] for the BRINGING of MAN to PERFECTION [Ephesians 1:9 – 10], for his edification, and for the revelation of His DISPENSATIONS, that goodness may both be made apparent, and righteousness perfected, and that the CHURCH may be FASHIONED after the IMAGE of His Son, and that MAN may FINALLY be brought to MATURITY at SOME FUTURE TIME, becoming ripe through such privileges to see and comprehend God …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, CHILIASM Church Father (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, Book 4, Chapter 37)

Roman Catholic Source:

https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103437.htm

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/irenaeus-book4.html

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Slide 267 in Powerpoint – Example of difficult reading with Bible Verses and even CHILIASM Church Father quotes (Which is right let GOD Decide but I present the POSSIBILITIES with EVIDENCE).

In CHILIASM Quotes CONTEXT we have seen say in SLIDES 225 to 227 earlier that CHRISTIANS are HUMAN for 1000 years Millennial Reign of CHRIST in Resurrected bodies to be REPAID in that form first and NO MORE HUMAN and CHANGE into ANGELIC/CELESTIAL Resurrection BODIES at end of 1000 years as meaning they those require WATER of LIFE are HUMAN RESURRECTION EARTHLY
BODIES so Revelation21:6 or Revelation 22:17 may be REFERRING to NON –ELECT SALVATION of those SAVED on FINAL NEW EARTH. Difficult but possible, right as even the BRIDE (Heavenly body at that time, Revelation 21:9) CALLS out to them (EARTHLY) to take WATER of LIFE in Revelation 22:17, right? More details for this possibility from Slide 264 earlier & other slides quoted in it for reference.

Example Water of Life comparison from [From Page 184 to 193 onward of the #ChiliasmBook] and Slide 264 earlier here. Water of Life reference in Revelation 7 happens as an ELECT SALVATION on the CURRENT Old Earth / Old Heavens while the Water of Life reference in Revelation 21 & 22 happens as POSSIBLY a NON ELECT SALVATION on the FINAL New Earth/New Heavens

1) ELECT SALVATION getting the Water of Life CONTEXT

= “… 9After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” … 17for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to [c]living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.” … “7He WHO OVERCOMES [d]SHALL INHERIT ALL THINGS, and I will be his God and he shall be My son … Come, I will show you the [g]BRIDE, the LAMB’S WIFE.” 10And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and SHOWED ME THE [H]GREAT CITY, the [I]HOLY JERUSALEM, DESCENDING OUT OF HEAVEN from God, …” – Blessed Apostle St. John (Revelation 7:9 – 10, 17, 21:7, 9 – 10, NKJV)

2) POSSIBLE NON ELECT SALVATION getting the Water of Life CONTEXT

= “… I will give of the fountain of the WATER OF LIFE FREELY TO HIM WHO THIRSTS. … 24And the NATIONS [N]OF THOSE WHO ARE SAVED shall walk in its light, and the KINGS OF THE EARTH bring their glory and honor [o]into it. 25Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there). 26And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into [p]it. … And the SPIRIT and the BRIDE say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And LET HIM WHO THIRSTS COME. Whoever desires, let him TAKE THE WATER OF LIFE FREELY. …” – Blessed Apostle St. John (Revelation 21:6, 24 – 26, Revelation 22:17, NKJV)

Comment: The Gate in the Final New Earth seems to indicate that some may be saved on that Final New Earth only (indicating the existence of such a POSSIBLE NON ELECT SALVATION strongly too) but never get to enter nor visit the Final Heavenly Jerusalem which connects Heaven to Earth Literally post-Judgment Day as the quoted Verses also describe this in CONTEXT around it.

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Slide 268 in Powerpoint – Example of DIFFICULT CHILIASM Church Father quote (Which is right let GOD Decide but I present the POSSIBILITIES with EVIDENCE). [From Page 54 onward of the #EternalHellAnnihilationUniversalismBook] – Which did St. Irenaeus of Lyons mean? I stay NEUTRAL & PRESENT EVIDENCE and LET GOD DECIDE.

1) Full CHILIASM Quote

“… Just in the same way is the heavenly kingdom honourable to those who have known the earthly one. But in proportion as it is more honourable, so much the more do we prize it; and if we have prized it more, we shall be the more glorious in the presence of God. The Lord has therefore endured all these things on our behalf, in order that we, having been instructed by means of them all, may be in all respects circumspect for the time to come, and that, having been rationally taught to love God, we may continue in His perfect love: for God has displayed long-suffering in the case of man’s apostasy; while man has been instructed by means of it, as also the prophet says, Your own apostasy shall heal you; Jeremiah 2:19 God thus determining all things beforehand for the bringing of man to perfection, for his edification, and for the revelation of His dispensations, that goodness may both be made apparent, and righteousness perfected, and that the Church may be fashioned after the image of His Son, and that man may finally be brought to maturity at some future time, becoming ripe through such privileges to see and comprehend God. …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, CHILIASM Church Father (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, ‘Against Heresies’, (Book 4, Chapter 37, Point 7) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103437.htm

2) The CHURCH = ELECT SALVATION = MAN mentioned here so ONLY CHRISTIANS SAVED; Highlight quote for that part with [emphasis of word replaced here] for comparison:

“… and righteousness perfected, and that the “CHRISTIAN” may be FASHIONED after the IMAGE of His Son, and that CHRISTIANS may FINALLY be brought to MATURITY at SOME FUTURE TIME, becoming ripe through such privileges to see and comprehend God …” – Blessed St. Irenaeus of Lyons (with replacement word CHURCH = MAN = CHRISTIAN for “Against Heresies”, Book 4, Chapter 37, Point 7)

3) The CHURCH = ELECT SALVATION (Heavenly Bodies as per CHILIASM Context as Slide 267 & Slides 225 to 227 details which are connected to St. Ireneaous of Lyons too) and those SAVED as MAN (Earthly Final Resurrection Bodies) are mentioned here so POSSIBLE NON ELECT SALVATION for those non-Christians SAVED (if God Wills it). Highlight quote for that part with [emphasis of word replaced here] for comparison:

“… and righteousness perfected, and that the “CHRISTIAN” may be FASHIONED after the IMAGE of His Son, and that NON-CHRISTIANS may FINALLY be brought to MATURITY at SOME FUTURE TIME, becoming ripe through such privileges to see and comprehend God …” – Blessed St. Irenaeus of Lyons (with replacement word CHURCH = CHRISTIAN and MAN = NON-CHRISTIAN for “Against Heresies”, Book 4, Chapter 37, Point 7)

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Slide 269 in Powerpoint. Spiritual sampling quotes with St. Irenaeus (part 1 of 2).

Sometimes we do NOT have a direct quote by St. Irenaeus of Lyons regarding the meaning of who are the “… nations saved on the final earth …” in Revelation 21:24 – 27, are these POSSIBLE NON-ELECT SALVATION in “earthly final human resurrection bodies” as opposed to the BRIDE (Heavenly resurrection bodies, Revelation 21:9 with no more flesh and blood at this time, 1 Corinthians 15:52 as surviving CHILIASM quotes have claimed as some shown in Slide 226 earlier)?

Example evidence: Each quote here is by Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, CHILIASM Church Father (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD).

A 100 years Christianity cannot tell a 2000 year old story.

1) St. Irenaeus may have believed in “some” being saved in “Spirit World” as phrase “on earth beneath” (Ephesians 4:9) refers here to “saved after judgment context of condemnation which existed by disobedience” below:

[From Page 160 onward of the #LastBook]

“… 8. But as many as feared God, and were anxious about His law, these ran to Christ, and were all saved. [Elect Salvation] For He said to His disciples: Go to the sheep of the house of Israel, Matthew 10:6 which have perished. [Non Elect Salvation] … remaining a virgin could bring forth a son, and that what was thus born should be God with us, and descend to those things which are of the earth beneath, seeking the sheep which had perished, … (hominem) which had been found, … as the Head rose from the dead, so also the remaining part of the body — [namely, the body] of everyman who is found in life — when the time is fulfilled of that condemnation which existed by reason of disobedience, may arise, blended together and strengthened through means of joints and bands Ephesians 4:16 by the increase of God, each of the members having its own proper and fit position in the body. For there are many mansions in the Father’s house, John 14:2 inasmuch as there are also many members in the body. ….” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, ( ‘Against Heresies’, (Book 4, Chapter 2, Point 8, Book 3, Chapter 19, Point 3-partial)

Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103402.htm

Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103319.htm

2) The CHILIASM CHURCH First Christianity Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons was in were the only EARLIEST ones known after the times of the Blessed Apostles to have the RAISING the DEAD type of MIRACLE and we know that GOD can ONLY use TRUE CHRISTIANS for RAISING the DEAD type of MIRACLE & does NOT have any “Prayer to Virgin Mary at all” in any of his writings (a shock to some Catholics/Orthodox if they know this) and also that she does NOT “PRAY to ANGELS” (i.e. “5. Nor does she perform anything by means of angelic invocations”) as opposed to some Catholics/Orthodox praying to angels till today, can you see it? and this is further proof that his writings are preserved as it is , example quote:

[From Page 94 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]

“…4. … Wherefore, also, those who are in truth His disciples, receiving grace from Him, do in His name perform [miracles], so as to promote the welfare of other men, according to the gift which each one has received from Him. … Yea, moreover, as I have said, the dead even have been raised up, and remained among us for many years., … nor taking any reward Acts 8:9, 18 from them [on account of such miraculous interpositions]. For as she has received freely Matthew 10:8 from God, freely also does she minister [to others]. 5. Nor does she perform anything by means of angelic invocations, or by incantations, or by any other wicked curious art; but, directing her prayers to the Lord, who made all things, in a pure, sincere, and straightforward spirit, and calling upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, she has been accustomed to work miracles for the advantage of mankind, and not to lead them into error. …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, (‘Against Heresies’, (Book II, Chapter 32), Point 4, 5-partial)

Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103232.htm

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Slide 270 in Powerpoint. Spiritual sampling quotes with St. Irenaeus (part 2 of 2) chiefly to understand whether or not the “nations who are saved on final new earth” in Revelation 21:24 – 27 refers to NON ELECT SALVATION or NOT (Possibility not doctrine because NOT sure as you yourself can see the DIFFICULT EVIDENCE).

3) St. Irenaeus believed that ALL Christians are PRIESTS post-resurrection (Revelation 1:6, Revelation 5:10, 1 Peter 2:5 – 9) during the 1000 years Millennial Reign onward (Revelation 20:6).

[From Page 291 onward of the #LastBook]

“… 3 … Now, in the preceding book I have shown that ALL THE DISCIPLES OF THE LORD ARE LEVITES AND PRIESTS, they who used in the temple to profane the Sabbath, but are blameless. Matthew 12:5 Promises of such a nature, therefore, do indicate in the clearest manner the FEASTING of that creation in the KINGDOM OF THE RIGHTEOUS, which God promises that He will Himself serve. …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, CHILIASM Church Father (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD).( ‘Against Heresies’, (Book 5(V), Chapter 34), Points 3-partial)

Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103534.htm

Comment: As per his quote above, St. Irenaeous of Lyons believes that ALL CHRISTIANS (“DISCIPLES”) are PRIESTS/LEVITES and hence participate in the FIRST RESURRECTION mentioned above (Revelation 20:4 – 7) in the KINGDOM OF THE RIGHTEOUS CONTEXT as “PRIESTS” meaning a NON-PRIEST saved among the “NATIONS of those that are SAVED” (Revelation 21:24) could be a type of NON ELECT SALVATION in comparison, right?

4) St. Irenaeus preserved the identical oldest not-in-Bible CHILIASM Prophecy “Mystery” (Slide 235 earlier too) that ALL Christians (“thirty, sixty or hundredfold”) only get a final abode in FINAL NEW Heavens (not current heavens context referred to in END of WEDDING of Lamb for 1000 years, Revelation 21:1, 9, Revelation 20:4 – 6) and they DON’T LEAVE it (Revelation 3:12) meaning those saved on FINAL NEW earth (Revelation 21:24 – 26) have an abode there but some/most NOT entering lowest heaven (Revelation 21:27) could refer to POSSIBLE NON-ELECT SALVATION for SOME if GOD Wills, right? Notice the New Jerusalem City which descends and connects to that final earth, Rev 21:2, 9, 3:12.

[From Pages 27/81/112/166/217/502/879/ onward of the #ChiliasmBook]

“… And as the presbyters* say, Then those who are deemed worthy of an abode in heaven shall go there, others shall enjoy the delights of paradise, and others shall possess the splendour of the city; … distinction between the habitation of those who produce an hundred-fold, and that of those who produce sixty-fold, and that of those who produce thirty-fold: for the first will be taken up into the heavens, the second will dwell in paradise, the last will inhabit the city; … And this is the couch on which the guests shall recline, having been invited to the WEDDING. The presbyters, the disciples of the apostles, affirm that this is the gradation and arrangement of those who are saved, and that they advance through steps of this nature… For in the TIMES of the KINGDOM, the righteous man who is upon the earth shall then forget to die. … John, therefore, did distinctly foresee the FIRST “RESURRECTION of the JUST,” …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons (‘Against Heresies’, Book 5, Chapter XXXVI/36, Points 1 – 2, 3-partial)

Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103536.htm

5) St. Irenaeus called “Shepherd of Hermas” as Scripture and even quoted the “ELECT Tower” phrase for “Elect Salvation” (Revelation 21:9’s Bride) which is quite unique to this writing & it may link to “SALVATION outside elect tower as NON-Elect Salvation” (final new earth’s saved-nations in revelation 21:24 – 26?) as shown in Slide 266 earlier.

[From Page 154 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]

“… the BEAUTIFUL ELECT TOWER being also raised everywhere. For the illustrious Church is [now] everywhere, … because those who do receive the Spirit are everywhere. …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons ( ‘Against Heresies’, (Book IV, Chapter 36), Point 2)

Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103436.htm

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Slide 271. Comment: Example “Government” Job by MERIT exam even for non-math teaching positions (in image, good). Meaning how many “top” officers in your country will have their job by merit?

Remember even a HIGH-SCHOOL Drop out can do a MINISTER level ADMINISTRATION JOB in GOVERNMENT via POLITICS so claiming that ‘they can do the job later’ does NOT justify the DISCRMINATION prior and used for life (see how BIG SUCH SINS really are?) Top jobs are usually SIMPLE ADMIN JOBS but these are GRABBED by NON-MERIT usually and very few by merit anywhere in the world, right?

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GOD Will Judge after death if we deserve it or not (Verses put here). Talking about the “real God” and NOT the PUPPETS of their imagination who they think gave them the job even when they don’t deserve it. Bravo to countries which practice such merit!

See how Ecclesiastes 5:8 clearly reveals don’t be surprised that the REAL GOD does NOT influence NOR has any part in ANY NON-MERIT, LOW JUSTICE “GOVERNMENT” SYSTEMS even? But GOD Will Judge after their DEATH —> looks like “Hell”, right? May ‘your god’ save you from hell if he taught you discrimination.

Remember, Qualification can be forged (example a local Masters/PHD may NOT even be valid in a FOREIGN UNIVERSITY) but ABILITY cannot be forged so such EXAMS REVEAL especially MATH CONTESTS too or in other fields etc. All the best “for life”.

If “your god” is really “god” ask him to teach you to do that math and get the job by merit instead of “nepotism & silly LOW-brain-power games” (as even unbelievers also can do such math from atheists to other religions as well) meaning that’s the proof GOD is FAIR and gave them that ability so it should have been them that are HIRED.

BIBLE Verses Says OPPRESORS have POWER and GOD does NOT intervene most of time because He sends them to Hell (Understood, e.g. Ecclesiastes 4:1 – 3, Psalm 73). May GOD Help us to LIVE by HIS BIBLE Way via MERIT. SATAN controls MONEY too (Matthew 4:8 -10) as he tried tempting CHRIST even.

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I stay NEUTRAL and PRESENT this EVIDENCE which is STRONG, right?

[From Page 155 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]

This is important because the “Shepherd of Hermas” has “another Salvation outside the [Elect] Tower” hence can mean NON-ELECT SALVATION and since St. Ireaneous of Lyons calls the “Shepherd of Hermas” as “Scripture”, and seems to acknowledge this “ELECT TOWER CONCEPT” as per his words earlier, this context is highly probable, right?

“… Do you wish to know who are the others which fell near the waters, but could not be rolled into them? THESE ARE THEY WHO HAVE HEARD THE WORD, and WISH TO BE BAPTIZED in the name of the Lord; but when the chastity demanded by the truth comes into their recollection, they draw back, and AGAIN WALK AFTER THEIR OWN WICKED DESIRES.” She FINISHED her EXPOSITION of the TOWER. But I, shameless as I yet was, asked her, “IS REPENTANCE POSSIBLE FOR ALL THOSE STONES WHICH HAVE BEEN CAST AWAY and DID NOT FIT INTO THE BUILDING of the TOWER, AND WILL THEY YET HAVE A PLACE IN THIS TOWER?” “REPENTANCE,” said she, “IS YET POSSIBLE, BUT IN THIS TOWER THEY CANNOT FIND A SUITABLE PLACE. But in another and MUCH INFERIOR PLACE THEY WILL BE LAID, and that, too, ONLY WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN TORTURED AND COMPLETED THE DAYS OF THEIR SINS. And on this account will they be transferred, because they have PARTAKEN of the RIGHTEOUS WORD. And then only will they be removed from their punishments when the THOUGHT of REPENTING of the evil deeds which they have done has come into their hearts. But if it does not come into their hearts, they will not be saved, on account of the hardness of their heart.” …” – Shepherd of Hermas ( (Book I), Vision 3, Concerning the Building of the Triumphant Church, and the Various Classes of Reprobate Men, Chapter 7)

Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/02011.htm

“Elect Tower” usage by St. Irenaeous of Lyons can be an alluded to the SHEPHERD of HERMAS (though we cannot say for sure) in this SAME BOOK

“…— the BEAUTIFUL ELECT TOWER being also raised everywhere. For the illustrious Church is [now] everywhere, and everywhere is the winepress dug: because those who do receive the Spirit are everywhere. …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, CHILIASM Church Father (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, ‘Against Heresies’, (Book 4, Chapter 36), Point 2)

Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103436.htm

#Shepherd of #Hermas in #First #Bible #Canons #Muratorian or #Roman Canon in the #West and #Codex #Claromontanus in the #East and #Church #Fathers from #Irenaeus #Tertullian to #Athanasius the #Great . #Why?

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Slide 272 in Powerpoint. Congratulations! Example of ‘those chosen by merit’. Christian country allows this: This is for year 2024, link:

https://www.facebook.com/maanews/posts/pfbid0yKPCiQBUeNXX8LquqJhkmVJdxixg2b6LFoKG2nK5Dar6T2DQFHHm1cTZKQWXEbnCl

Here are some deeper thoughts to ponder:

1) I wonder what “religion” each of them “believe in”? If any of them are “atheists”, so “GOD” is “FAIR” based on their effort and still gave them such “incredible abilities”, right?

If this did NOT matter, then WHY are “your people so obsessed about those of SAME LANGUAGE/RELIGION/RACE to excel in it”? till discriminating others who are better which countries like USA allows “fairly” based on “merit only”?

2) If boys and girls are mixed (example in the International Math Olympiad IMO or National Math Olympiads), usually it’s the BOYS who WIN MORE. Same is true even in say NOBEL PRIZE or other prizes such as FIELDS MEDALS etc. Example proof quotes (please see table in image):

Nobel Prize (Men vs Women ratio despite many universities have more female enrolment, right? I mean it’s “fair” for last 100 years since the inception of Nobel Prize that women can have equal education and rightly so); Compare:

“… The male-to-female ratio for Nobel Prizes is 17.1-to-1 and men account for a whopping 94.5 percent of all prizes awarded since 1901 …”

Source: https://www.statista.com/chart/15709/nobel-prize-winners-by-gender/

“… It is fairly well known that women today outnumber men in American colleges. In 2003, there were 1.35 females for every male who graduated from a four-year college and 1.3 females for every male undergraduate. That contrasts with 1960, when there were 1.6 males for every female graduating from a U.S. four-year college and 1.55 males for every female undergraduate. How come this switch? …”

Source: https://www.nber.org/digest/jan07/why-do-women-outnumber-men-college

“… The growing gender gap in higher education – both in enrollment and graduation rates – has been a topic of conversation and debate in recent months. Young women are more likely to be enrolled in college today than young men, and among those ages 25 and older, women are more likely than men to have a four-year college degree. The gap in college completion is even wider among younger adults ages 25 to 34. …”

Source: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/11/08/whats-behind-the-growing-gap-between-men-and-women-in-college-completion/

Even in “Malaysia”:

“… Students in public higher education institutions in Malaysia 2013-2022, by gender. In 2022, around 282,000 male students and more than 405,000 female students were enrolled in public higher institutions. …”

Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/794845/students-in-public-higher-education-institutions-by-gender-malaysia/

Conclusion – Numbers don’t lie

“… During the period 2000–2021, there were only 1,102 female contestants (9.2%) out of a total of 11,950 contestants. The gap is even more significant in terms of IMO gold medallists; from 1959 to 2021, there were 43 female and 1295 male gold medal winners.[98] This gender gap in participation and in performance at the IMO level led to the establishment of the European Girls’ Mathematical Olympiad (EGMO).[99] …“

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Mathematical_Olympiad

Comment: Regarding NOBEL PRIZE Winners whose MAJORITY are CHRISTIANS, I already showed in SLIDE 183 and Slide 185 in POWERPOINT even “WHICH TYPE of CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS too” (in links). Interesting, right? So if “your god is really god” for those discriminating others, WHY CAN’T HE ALLOW you to WIN by MERIT even in YOUR OWN HOME COUNTRY? Same is true for PRIVATE SECTOR to PUBLIC SECTOR JOBS/POSITIONS/SALARY etc. where your type of people win MOSTLY by UNFAIRNESS and NOT MERIT.

Another Proof: Usually your type of people never win in education to jobs in another country where you are not majority and assessment is purely by merit. Can you really see which GOD is real then? GOD of MERIT.

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Slide 274. Scamming for a living or LIVING it REAL?

“… You don’t learn fishing from a man who talks about fishing (analogy: Math Education PHD) but from one who actually catches a fish (analogy: Math Olympians who have actually won Math Competitions)…”

Math Education PHDs etc. created the “lesson plan” idea and other unwanted silly administrative tasks replacing the traditional teaching way. If you look at the life of actual discoverers in any field (Math or otherwise, for me the greatest discoveries are theological* – Why explained next and that’s WHY I thank GOD for CHILIASM Church Fathers Writings from whom I LEARNT MOST & thanks especially to Roman Catholic Church & Orthodox for preserving it), they DON’T DO SILLY LESSON PLANS or SILLY modern-made ACADEMIC ADMINISTRATIVE TASKS since their TIME is MAXIMUM SPENT on DEPTH of ACADEMIC CONTENT ONLY meaning here MATH DEPTH such as OLYMPIADS & BEYOND.

Even if NOT discoverers but MASTERS of TEACHERS in the FIELD, you can see actual MATH OLYMPIANS who have WON NATIONAL/INTERNATIONAL especially HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL OLYMPIADS, they do NOT practice any SILLY ADMINISTRATIVE WORKS but ONLY PURE MATH CONTENT and DEPTH. So that’s why SUCH SCHOOLS NOR SUCH even PHD in MATH “EDUCATION” together with “PHD in PSYCHOLOGY” AUTHOURS THEMSELVES NEVER DISCOVER ANYTHING NEW in TECHNICAL NOR THEOLOGICAL except at most “opinions” and MAKE LIFE HARDER for TEACHERS in GENERAL via such LAME ADMINISTRATIVE TASKS which may CATER for MINIMAL IMPROVEMENT or LOW GRADE ACHIEVERS but NEITHER THOSE PHD HOLDERS usually ever WON ANY NATIONAL MATH OLYMPIAD with FULL MARKS NOR ever even REPRESENTED COUNTRY to INTERNATIONAL ones meaning their so called learning techniques would bore to death both teachers and “advanced” students with “too much menial tasks”. So perhaps at most their techniques should NOT be used for HIGH GRADE STUDENT CLASSES.

If really want to try, maybe the government should fund say a IMONST LEVEL MATH COMPETITION (mandatory) for ALL TEACHERS and LECTURERS too in MALAYSIA who say are involved in MATH “EDUCATION” at PRIMARY vs HIGH SCHOOL Level and then give RANKING and SCORE for each so then we will know HOW WORTH it their ADVICE on MATH EDUCATION REALLY is, FAIR, RIGHT? (NO Closed Paper & SUBJECTIVE Questions only because if not, you never know who gets high score & some can MANIUPATE by MAKING THEIR OWN RACE/RELIGION Top & no one can check, right?)

If cannot, please don’t use the word MERIT because such ones don’t know what BIBLICAL LEVEL means (example is such FAIRNESS stated). Again, if not, it’s just SILLY UNVERIFIABLE SCAMMING because you cannot teach EDUCATION in MATH when you yourself CANNOT IMPROVE YOUR MATH LEVEL to REACH these OLYMPIADS to some extent, right?

No point also in winning for yourself & doing only paid job as the greatest thing in work is also CHARITY DOCTRINE of EARTHLY GOODS (e.g. Math knowledge Olympiad level more value) or THEOLOGY too (e.g. more accuracy greater value) as CHRIST Taught extensively not in amount but “relative measure” as the POOR WIDOW gave MOST HE SAID (in Luke 21:1 – 3) and St. Ireneaous repeats likewise below (and we are to IMITATE THEIR FAITH, Hebrews 13:7):

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“… but those who have received liberty set aside ALL THEIR POSSESSIONS for the LORD’s PURPOSES, bestowing joyfully and FREELY NOT THE LESS VALUABLE PORTIONS of THEIR PROPERTY, since they have the hope of better things [hereafter]; as that POOR WIDOW acted who cast all her living into the treasury of God [Luke 21:1 – 3]. … “ – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, CHILIASM CHURCH FATHER(c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, Against Heresies (Book 4(IV), Point 6-partial)

Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103416.htm

*Why “Theological”? because you cannot love “more” God unless you “know” more accurately about “Him” which is “proof” of “God knowing us” too to avoid the “Great Denial” as per Matthew 7:13 – 24 who get denied even though they did “Prophesying, casting out demons and miracles” but succumbed to “lawlessness” which is “NOT knowing nor doing/teaching the LAW/COMMAND of GOD part, New Testament Commands ONLY” – can you “see” it? “Singing Worship songs and Praying alone doesn’t prove knowing God but DOING and TEACHING HIS NEW TESTAMENT COMMANDS is LIFE GOAL as Matthew 5:17 – 20 illustrates LEAST vs GREATEST even among THOSE WHO ENTER HEAVEN type of SALVATION – Can you “really see” it “as it is Written”? Peace 2 u.

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