All about the Anonymous Christians and its author Jonathan Ramachandran

Jonathan Ramachandran is founder at AnonymousChristian.org which serves as a Christian Blog discussing the Greater Hope of Biblical Christianity in Christ Alone. He does not believe in any form of Unitarianism but strictly adheres to Lord Jesus Christ as the only Way, only Truth and only Life by which we hope and pray that most Men may eventually be Saved by His Mercy (if God Wills it). This is due to latest research as of year 2022 – 2024 with both Church Father quotes and early Christian writings such as the Shepherd of Hermas* (The Pastor) which seem to echo Non-Elect Salvation Possibility as shown in Powerpoint Slides below & in last page of book titled #LastBook for free pdfs for latest research/books on this topic and more:

i) Powerpoint Slide

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1C3FZh5AFL2aNDy9s7TA0TphwmF7dBbpP/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103161103828141436650&rtpof=true&sd=true

ii) Last Book – Possibilities and Dangers of Doctrine

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wjDRr6lzDQ-4D60J8sqmDH-S60tCqQIR/view?usp=sharing

He believes in the Inerrant and Inspired Authority of the Bible as Infallible and also accepts the First Christianity Writings such as the Shepherd of Hermas and the Apocalypse of Peter as possibly Inspired and Authoritative Writings as endorsed by the Earliest known Christian Canon called the Muratorian Canon. In his past he studied Actuarial Science, worked as a Seismic Engineer, did a few years of Christian Ministry under paid employment before returning to his school days passion as a Math Olympiad Competition Coach freelancing in that and now a National Coach for the Math Olympiad National team.

Apart from that he does some Christian Music under the label Anonymous Christian in an album titled Saviour of the World.

He also writes a theological & mathematical blog where both write-ups are displayed together on the same website. In his free time he also teaches how to play guitar by ear and recently released his first secular song in September 2019 titled Lost Without You under his name Jonathan which is uploaded via the YouTube Channel called The Failed Guitarist.

Free Math solutions are also shared in these Facebook pages:

i. Free Math Olympiad Secondary Solutions by Jon 

https://www.facebook.com/CoachJonathanRamachandran/

ii. Free Math Olympiad Primary Solutions by Jon 

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100057109853813

iii. Free School Maths Solutions by Jon 

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100070978834712

*A brief note about the “Shepherd of Hermas”

i) Question

Someone said that this verse is one of the hardest to understand “… And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams …” (Acts 2:17, KJV)

ii) My reply

This verse was literally it was used for Day of Pentecost on Acts 2:17.  It’s not really about the vision/dream/prophecy but which one is “real”? That’s why I show “Shepherd of Hermas possibility” since it’s the only No. 1 vision/prophecy that has been approved by so many early great Christians from the 2nd to 5th centuries before it went out of use as there was no internet those days so unless something was transmitted it may not be known but to date, no Church council nor any Church Father has ever condemned the Shepherd of Hermas. Even the earliest most authoritative Christians with the Holy Spirit from Tertullian to St. Athanasius the Great and including even the direct Disciple of those who were disciples of the Apostles such as St. Irenaeus of Lyons too have approved it and there’s no prayers to virgin Mary or equivalent in it meaning it could be well preserved as it is. Since no one can say anything for sure we can present evidence and God Will understand even if we got tricked (but what are the odds of that in light of all the evidences and big names presented including the earliest Bibles of Christianity e.g. muratorian Canon, codex claromontanus etc. All including it too?)

iii) Example Shepherd of Hermas approval quote summary

[From Page 904 onward of the #ChiliasmBook] or [From Page 61 onward of the #EternalHellAnnihilationUniversalismBook]

Example Shepherd of Hermas Approval Quote: Shepherd of Hermas which was considered Scripture-Level in First Christianity by even St. Irenaeous of Lyons (Hearer/Disciple of St. Polycarp an apostolic father being the direct disciple of Apostle St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation) , Tertullian (father of Latin Christianity), Pope Callixtus I (Head of the entire Roman Catholic Church in his time in First Christianity), St. Clement of Alexandria (head of the Cathecatical School of Alexandria) and even the First Bibles of Christianity (the Muratorian or Roman Canon in the West & the Codex Claromontanus Canon in the East) while Eusebius (father of Church History) and St. Athanasius the Great (father of orthodoxy & Champion of Trinity) approved of its use for catechumens.  Proof quotes and details in those pages (too much to list here).

Conclusion

I am not preaching “myself” in this website though my friend who helps build it puts more of my photos/songs/story etc. by God’s Grace which I appreciate. This is proven because I am quoting “earliest” Church Fathers and Christian authorities of doctrine from some of the holiest men to ever live for Christ. So it’s not me but their quotes proving that no personal opinions are carelessly added unless it has some “possibility” based on these First Christianity quotes presented in free pdfs/books. Can you “see” it?

Link for free pdfs/books below or research done between years 2022 to 2024 (“evidences”) on various topics which is important because we cannot love God “more” unless we know more accurately about Him as the First Christians did and “Sharing the Gospel” includes “accuracy” and NOT just “preaching about Christ” but also “Preaching what Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ taught and commanded too” (such as “Chiliasm” Prophecy aspect & “Charity Doctrine + Holiness” aspect as details listed out in latest research).

Important Note: Though sometimes I write in a way that may give the feel that “possibility” might just be true and refute the ideas against it, it does NOT necessarily mean I am “right” simply because I am well aware that I can be misinterpreting (but in light of these First Christianity quotes, I also could be right) and that’s why I present all this honestly as a “possibility” only either way and accept whichever God Reveals as Right One Day. Here are links for free pdf download for all these books (A hundred year old Christianity cannot tell you a 2000 year old story):

i) #DialoguesBook

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZDghJN2eq7MyygtUpbNVFW—LGorSMv/view?usp=share_link

ii) #BibleandChurchFathersQuoteBook

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1__t7iB0HZsI4P6dqXAxxBjk_WnC1J2wb/view?usp=share_link

iii) #SafeRouteScripturallyBook

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HUXXa2kgpImEpVWFg4AN0SBc0x4ulSLn/view?usp=share_link

  1. iv) #EternalHellAnnihilationUniversalismBook

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1N5bK-LoBAg4VQN8eLtVWsqkQyoGE0Ad_/view?usp=sharing

  1. v) #MysteryoftheKingdomofHeavenBook

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-zX7XgzguBYHkXWucUZ6xfMInbwtj0Z3/view?usp=share_link

  1. vi) #Edu4LifeBook

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XZDENeSl6mNPi6hyfGqvzBJCBlzAoqM9/view?usp=share_link

vii) #ChiliasmBook

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IzLcp1E-YoDtpAGY9qfnLeCL7ojc6-nj/view?usp=sharing

viii) #DoctrineBook or #BookofDoctrine

https://drive.google.com/file/d/12QmUFyND5rTAZo4jT5M_qRAukf-hnRBD/view?usp=sharing

viii) #MyCV15Oct2023

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wkVRrNxO2XSsy-YbyNWuCbuA5aLl3yeV/view?usp=sharing

Even if saved, more accurate faith/doctrine shine like heavens which is greater than simply converting many into less accurate faith/doctrine as Daniel 12:3 Prophesied. In the end, ABILITY is more IMPORTANT than AVAILABILITY as ROMANS 10:2 already REVEALED GOD’s WILL in this that “KNOWLEDGE” (i.e. ABILITY in DOCTRINAL – ACCURACY) is more important than even “ZEAL for GOD” (i.e. AVAILABILITY or simply converting for God in their own way) according to these BIBLE VERSES as IT IS WRITTEN. In short, anything which affects eternity is vital.

“…  And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, SOME to EVERLASTING LIFE, SOME to SHAME and EVERLASTING CONTEMPT. Those who are WISE shall shine Like the BRIGHTNESS OF THE FIRMAMENT, And THOSE WHO TURN MANY to RIGHTEOUSNESS Like the STARS forever and ever. 4“But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase. …” (Daniel 12:2 – 4, NKJV)

or

“…  3And the WISE SHALL SHINE as the BRIGHTNESS OF THE FIRMAMENT, and SOME OF THE MANY RIGHTEOUS as the STARS FOR EVER and EVER. 4And thou, Daniel, close the words, and seal the book to the time of the end; until many are taught, and knowledge is increased. … 8And I heard, but I understood not: and I said, O Lord, what will be the end of these things? 9And he said, Go, Daniel: for the words are closed and sealed up to the time of the end. 10MANY MUST BE TESTED, and THOROUGHLY WHITENED, and TRIED WITH FIRE, and SANCTIFIED; but the transgressors shall transgress: and none of the transgressors shall understand; but the wise shall understand. …” (Daniel 12:3 – 4, 8 – 10, Brenton Septuagint Translation, based on the Septuagint or LXX)

“… 1Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for [a]Israel is that they may be saved2For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge3For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. 4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. …” (Romans 10:1 – 4, NKJV)

[From Page 346 onward of the #LastBook]; please see how St. Ireneaus quotes “Daniel 12:3’s context”:

“… but when it is read by the Christians, it is a treasure, hid indeed in a field, but brought to light by the cross of Christ, and explained, both enriching the understanding of men, and showing forth the wisdom of God and declaring His dispensations with regard to man, and forming the kingdom of Christ beforehand, and preaching by anticipation the inheritance of the holy Jerusalem, and proclaiming beforehand that the man who loves God shall arrive at such excellency as even to see God, and hear His word, and from the hearing of His discourse be glorified to such an extent, that others cannot behold the glory of his countenance, as was said by Daniel: Those who do understand, shall shine as the brightness of the firmament, and many of the righteous as the stars for ever and ever. Daniel 12:3 Thus, then, I have shown it to be, if any one read the Scriptures.  …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran ChurchFirst Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology,  Chiliasm Church Father  (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD,  ‘Against Heresies’, (Book 4(IV), Chapter 26), Point 1-partial)

Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103426.htm

I believe that Prophets can have ZERO PROPHECY ERROR (Deuteronomy 18:19 – 22) and are subject to NEW TESTAMENT TRADITIONS (1 Corinthians 14:37 & 32) and if one already claim that a “PROPHECY” is ONE’s OWN ORACLE/Attempt even if WRONG, GOD ALLOWS it since HIS NAME is NOT quoted as “GOD TOLD me SO TYPES which risks ‘ETERNAL/Olam’ damnation if wrong same word in Daniel 12:2 ” (Jeremiah 23:37 – 40) as GOD HIMSELF explained in Jeremiah 23:36 so our way here leads NO one to hell even if wrong in prophecy aspect, can you see it?  Also, comparing with St. Irenaeus of Lyons and St. Justin of Rome (earliest Chiliasm Church Father’s quotes whom I find most accurate & if anyone finds an error with them, let’s discuss) I keep away from much modern Christianity whose “prophecy” aspect seems to differ much to be “safe” but am willing to do “Charity Doctrine” or other parts of ministry with them if they want too (freewill choice). Here are the Verses (not empty claims):

“… 36And the [k]ORACLE OF THE LORD YOU SHALL MENTION NO MORE. For EVERY MAN’S WORD WILL BE HIS ORACLE, for you have perverted the words of the living God, the Lord of hosts, our God. 37Thus you shall say to the prophet, ‘What has the Lord answered you?’ and, ‘What has the Lord spoken?’ 38But since you say, ‘The [l]oracle of the Lord!’ therefore thus says the Lord: ‘Because you say this word, “The oracle of the Lord!” and I have sent to you, saying, “Do not say, ‘The oracle of the Lord!’ ” 39therefore behold, I, even I, WILL UTTERLY FORGET YOU and FORSAKE YOU, and the city that I gave you and your fathers, and will cast you out of My presence. 40And I WILL BRING AN EVERLASTING (Olam) REPROACH UPON YOU, AND A PERPETUAL (Olam) SHAME, WHICH SHALL NOT BE FORGOTTEN.’ ” …” (Jeremiah 23:31 – 34, 36 – 40, NKJV)

“…  19And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him. 20But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ 21And if you say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’— 22when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him. …” (Deuteronomy 18:19 – 22, NKJV)

One of the biggest “Prophecy” question in Christian theology is who are the MANY (not few)  REJECTED by CHRIST from ENTERING HEAVEN SALVATION CONTEXT in the GREAT DENIAL of MATTHEW 7:13 – 24  based on LAWLESSNESS? (the scariest words “… I never knew you …” Matthew 7:23 which links Luke 6:46 below and Matthew 7:21 as same context as even Matthew 7:24 – 27 & Luke 6:46 – 49 are somewhat identical). Since “… no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, …” (2 Peter 1:20, NKJV), this is about the earliest quote I know for this Verses and it seems to point to unbelief (compare that he is a CHILIASM Prophecy believer), others due to “not enough works of righteousness” (Charity Doctrine etc. as his other quotes prove too) and some Prosperity Gospel type of Christians (word “LUXURY” below) all of whom CANNOT receive the HOLY SPIRIT as St. Irenaeus himself (not me) reveals this, isn’t it? (Note: the ‘opposite of luxury’ is ‘Charity Doctrine’ when converted to “action aspect”, right?)

[From Page 493 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]

“… In like manner, too, those are unclean which have the double hoof but do not ruminate: this is plainly an indication of all heretics, and of those who do not meditate on the words of God, neither are adorned with works of righteousness; to whom also the Lord says, Why do you call Me Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say to you? Luke 6:46 For men of this stamp do indeed say that they believe in the Father and the Son, but they never meditate as they should upon the things of God, neither are they adorned with works of righteousness; but, as I have already observed, they have adopted the lives of swine and of dogs, giving themselves over to filthiness, to gluttony, and recklessness of all sorts. Justly, therefore, did the apostle call all such carnal and animal, — [all those, namely], who through their own UNBELIEF and LUXURY DO NOT RECEIVE the DIVINE SPIRIT, and in their various phases cast out from themselves the life-giving Word, and walk stupidly after their own lusts: …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology,  Chiliasm Church Father  (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD,  ‘Against Heresies’, (Book 5(V), Chapter 8), Point 4)

Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103508.htm

Say if this was a FALSE writing, and I got TRICKED. At least I can show the LORD all these EVIDENCE and then Ask for MERCY, right? If your denomination was wrong, what evidence/reason you are going to give? Can you see it? That’s what responsible preaching means. About number of converts, if you believe all Catholics & Orthodox can be wrong or damned despite all the converting many works etc. what’s so special about other protestant or Pentecostal for their errors either? So let God decide but we need to “choose wisely” or “PREACH with EVIDENCE to be HONEST and SAFE”, fair, right?

P/S: Sample Slide from Powerpoint

Slide 283. Question: Can you become POOR by GIVING? Of Course that’s the whole IDEA of GIVING, isn’t it? But POOR on EARTH and RICH in HEAVEN.

In fact, CHRIST HIMSELF showed an EXAMPLE of HOW a POOR WIDOW became EVEN POORER since she has to give her LIFE SAVINGS which she had to LIVE ON (notice these words carefully) which LORD JESUS PRAISED as GAVE MOST which from other VERSES from HIM we understand that one becomes RICH in HEAVEN and GOD MEASURES by RELATIVE MEASURE and NOT amount, BIBLE Verses below:

[From Pages 530/585/793/85 onward of the #ChiliasmBook] Compare with St. Irenaeus of Lyons’ quote in SLIDE 274 earlier:

“… [1And He looked up and saw the rich putting their gifts into the treasury, 2and He saw also a CERTAIN POOR WIDOW putting in two mites.][a] 3So He said, “TRULY I say to you that this POOR widow has put in MORE THAN ALL; 4for all these out of their abundance have put in offerings [b]for God, but she OUT OF HER POVERTY PUT IN ALL THE LIVELIHOOD THAT SHE HAD.” …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 21:1 – 4, NKJV)

Note: Even for such a ‘remarkable giving’ CHRIST did NOT make her a MILLIONAIRE after that. Can you “see” it?

Do you know that CHARITY DOCTRINE is the ONLY RIGHTEOUS ACT which has DIRECTLY been linked by LORD JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF to the PHRASE “KEEP your LAMPS LIT” which can link to PARABLE of 5 WISE and 5 FOOLISH Virgins (Matthew 25:1 – 13) as most first Christianity taught including Martin Luther First Protestant as I have shown in my free pdf books as per ORIGINAL BIBLE which did NOT have this separation of Verses within this chapter which was only done In 1551?, a Parisian printer named Robert Stephanus (Roman Catholic became Protestant) who published a Greek and Latin edition of the New Testament in which each chapter was divided into separate verses (ask your Bible School Professor if I’m lying or not)

Which here is can you see the link” … SEEK HIS KINGDOM 33“SELL YOUR POSSESSIONS and GIVE TO CHARITYan unfailing treasure in heaven34“For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. … KEEP YOUR LAMPS LIT ” below in ONE CONVERSATION without BREAKS? Ehem ehem and ONLY MONEY “Treasure” REVEALS our HEART (all else is “PRIDE of LIFE and DRAMA as long as they can KEEP EARNING & ENJOYING it, right? (me too included so it’s fair and let GOD COUNT; Verses here is by CHRIST and ETERNAL. In short no MONEY return is Promised by GOD on earth and ONLY Treasure in Heaven so don’t be deceived.

Notice word little flock (few/elect sheep) only mentioned in CHARITY DOCTRINE CONTEXT below

“… 31“But SEEK HIS KINGDOM, and THESE THINGS will be ADDED TO YOU. 32“Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has chosen gladly to give you the kingdom. 33“SELL YOUR POSSESSIONS and GIVE TO CHARITY; make yourselves money belts which do not wear out, an unfailing treasure in heaven, where no thief comes near nor moth destroys. 34“For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. 35“Be dressed in readiness, and KEEP YOUR LAMPS LIT. 36You are also to be like people who are waiting for their master when he RETURNS FROM THE WEDDING FEAST, … . 38Whether he COMES IN THE [AA]SECOND WATCH, or EVEN IN THE [AB]THIRD, and finds them so, blessed are those slaves. …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 12:31 – 38, NASB)

Comment: His Return after the “Wedding” (First Resurrection, Revelation 20:4 – 6) during the “Second and Third Watches” could also imply His Surprise Visit to Earth during Christ’s 1000 years Millennial Reign (Revelation 20:5) where verses above points to the Context of “Doing the Charity Doctrine” when understood collectively implying its importance not just now but in the future Judgment Day too (Matthew 25:31 – 46).

Are we the LITTLE FLOCK which GETS the KINGDOM of HEAVEN? May God have Mercy

Slide 284. Most Blessed & Most Holy Trinity quotes by CHILIASM Church Fathers

(Examples of “earliest” quotes & notice CHILIASM Church Fathers all had the HOLY SPIRIT so we can contemplate CHILIASM PROPHECY Possibilities too and where they differ or what they meant, we can debate/discuss with “evidence” as that’s “honesty”; only trinity quotes earlier than these are by say St. Ignatius whose prophecy position is NOT written so hard to imagine they differ from any of these. NO earlier quote on TRINITY or equivalent exists and if someone says otherwise, ask them for quote & proof, fair, right?).

So this means if we accept TRINITY DOCTRINE it’s from these men whom GOD CHOSE to REVEAL it first as the BIBLE can be interpreted in many ways as even SOME early Christians/Heretics also DENIED TRINITY, right? That’s WHY EARLIEST Quotes are important and rest just copy what they said meaning CHILIASM PROPHECY POSITION is FROM THEM TOO and hence CAN BE TRUE (Higher probability? Let God Decide).

Also NONE of these believed in “Women pastors” either just saying. When someone speaks about “Love” just quote to them what CHRIST Said namely “… If you love Me, keep My commandments.…” (John 14:15, NKJV) i.e. any NEW TESTAMENT COMMANDS such as CHARITY DOCTRINE (Luke 11:39 – 45, Luke 10:25 – 37, Matthew 25:31 – 46, Luke 12:30 – 34 as per Slide 283 earlier etc.) to HOLINESS including “Traditions” (1 Corinthians 14:37). So we cannot love without “obeying His Commands” and “Obedience is better than Sacrifice” (1 Samuel 15:22) i.e. “sacrifice” can be converting against these commands, can you “see” it?

And so only GOD can see INSIDE of a PERSON thus let HIM judge who did with MORE MEASURE of LOVE but it CANNOT be DONE AGAINST or WITHOUT HIS COMMANDS. Also if we don’t have a Church/Charity collecting money/donations as even the Blessed Apostles had a safety net of “money collected laid at their feet” (Acts 4:35) but used for “common NEED only” meaning we can “hoard till end of life & give it to CHARITY via a WILL” as every PRIEST/MISSIONARY likewise lived on CHURCH MONEY SAFETY NET/SUPPORT SYSTEM while we can do it with OWN WORKING MONEY/POSSESIONS (not even donations) as Blessed Apostle St. Paul demonstrated in 1 Corinthians 9:13 – 18. So our FINANCE DOCTRINE is BIBLICAL.

“… But that He is Himself in His own right, beyond all men who ever lived, God, and Lord, and King Eternal, and the Incarnate Word, proclaimed by all the prophets, the apostles, and by the Spirit Himself, may be seen by all who have attained to even a small portion of the truth. … that He was despised among the people, and humbled Himself even to death and that He is the holy Lord, the Wonderful, the Counsellor, the Beautiful in appearance, and the Mighty God, Isaiah 9:6 coming on the clouds as the Judge of all men; Daniel 7:13 — all these things did the Scriptures prophesy of Him. …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, CHILIASM Church Father (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, ‘Against Heresies’, (Book 3(III), Chapter 19), Point 2) Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103319.htm

“… that the Father is God, and the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God, and each is God; … Thus the connection of the Father in the Son, and of the Son in the Paraclete, produces three coherent Persons, who are yet distinct One from Another. These Three are one essence, not one Person, as it is said, I and my Father are One, John 10:30 in respect of unity of substance not singularity of number. …” – Blessed Tertullian, Father of Latin Christianity, Founder of Western Theological Scholarship, CHILIASM CHURCH FATHER, c. 155 AD – c. 240 AD, Against Praxeas, Chapter 13, Chapter 25) Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0317.htm

“… God begot before all creatures a Beginning, [who was] a certain rational power [proceeding] from Himself, who is called by the Holy Spirit, now the Glory of the Lord, now the Son, …”– Blessed St. Justin of Rome or St. Justin Martyr, CHILIASM Church Father, a Great Early Christian Apologist who is a Foremost Exponent of the Divine Word, who Influenced Virtually all of subsequent Christian philosophy and Catholic theology, Martyr for Christ, (c. 100AD – c. 160 AD, ‘Dialogue with Trypho’, CHAPTER 61) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/01285.htm

“… The Holy Spirit, since He sanctifies creatures, is neither a creature nor subject to change. He is always good, since He is given by the Father and the Son … Lastly, as He is said in Scripture to be good, and is joined to the Father and the Son in baptism …” – Blessed Archbishop St. Ambrose of Milan, the First Great Latin Doctor of the Church, CHILIASM Church Father Converter, Baptizer & Teacher of St. Augustine of Hippo, (c. 340 AD – c. 397 AD On the Holy Spirit (Book I), Chapter 5) Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/34021.htm

Can you quote NON-CHILIASM Prophecy EARLIER than THESE with source & proof as I showed in Powerpoint and free pdfs/books? Cannot, right? Let’s debate to be fair.

Slide 285. Case for CHILIASM Summary.

Each CHILIASM Church Father quoted in Slide 284 except Tertullian due to some Montanism he was involved in is Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church as well. Example:

“… If, therefore, you assert that the Holy Spirit calls some other one God and Lord, besides the Father of all things and His Christ, answer me; for I undertake to prove to you from Scriptures themselves, that He whom the Scripture calls Lord is not one of the two angels that went to Sodom, but He who was with them, and is called God, that appeared to Abraham. … God begot before all creatures a Beginning, [who was] a certain rational power [proceeding] from Himself, who is called by the Holy Spirit, now the Glory of the Lord, now the Son, again Wisdom, again an Angel, then God, and then Lord and Logos; and on another occasion He calls Himself Captain, when He appeared in human form – Blessed St. Justin of Rome or St. Justin Martyr or Justin of Neapolis, CHILIASM Church Father, a Great Early Christian Apologist who is a Foremost Exponent of the Divine Word, who Influenced Virtually all of subsequent Christian philosophy and Catholic theology, Martyr for Christ, (c. 100AD – c. 160 AD, ‘Dialogue with Trypho’, CHAPTER 56, 61) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/01285.htm

If Blessed Apostle St. Paul can declare these Verses in 1 Corinthians 9:13 – 18 by the Inspiration of the Most Blessed Holy Spirit of God and NOT considered to be PRIDEFUL NOR LOSE ANY REWARD, we can likewise TEACH FINANCIAL DOCTRINE the same way as per SLIDE 284 earlier. Also if you think I’m debating too much that’s exactly what TRUE SPIRITUAL WAREFARE is according to 2 Corinthians 10:5.

Can you “see” it in images here?


Slide 286 – A SLIDE for LIFE – Answer to life’s most elusive question of WHY by quoting ONLY Most Blessed LORD JESUS CHRIST i.e.  How to LIVE a LIFE which matters to GOD? All else is riddled with illusion and vanity. What Would Jesus Do (WWJD)?

Based on these Bible Verses by CHRIST Directly, are we PREACHING OURSELVES or the GOSPEL?



[From Page 85/86 onward of the #LastBook or #PODBook or #PossibilitiesandDangersofDoctrineBook]

“… [16Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good[d] Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?” 17So He said to him], [e]“Why do you call Me good? [f]No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” [18He said to Him, “Which ones?”] Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ” 20The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept [g]from my youth. What do I STILL LACK?” [21JESUS said to him], “IF you want to be PERFECT, go, SELL what YOU HAVE and GIVE to the POOR, and YOU WILL HAVE TREASURE IN HEAVEN; and come, FOLLOW ME.” 22But when the young man heard that saying, he went away SORROWFUL, for he had GREAT POSSESSIONS. 23Then JESUS said to His disciples, “Assuredly, I say to you that it is HARD for a RICH MAN TO ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. 24And AGAIN I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. … 27Then Peter answered and said to Him, “See, we have LEFT ALL and FOLLOWED YOU. Therefore what shall we have?” 28So JESUS SAID TO THEM, “Assuredly I say to you, that in the REGENERATION, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29And EVERYONE who has LEFT HOUSES or brothers or sisters or father or mother or WIFE or children or LANDS, for MY NAME’S SAKE, shall RECEIVE a HUNDREDFOLD, and INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE. 30But MANY who are FIRST will be LAST, and the LAST FIRST. …” – The GREATEST ONE, The ONLY KING, GOD in FLESH, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:16 – 24, 27 – 30  NKJV)

CHRIST HIMSELF only pointed to HOLINESS COMMANDS (not even Sabbath or Tithes or church attendance etc.) when asked “Which Ones?” to CHARITY DOCTRINE as PERFECTION of ENTERING HEAVEN type of SALVATION in Matthew 19:16 – 30 (so all else are “mixed” with man-made doctrinal errors – Please read carefully the BIBLE VERSES above & NOT opinions of men but from Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ Directly above.

Example: There is NOTHING in CHRIST’s REPLY here about “believing in pre-trib rapture or attending Church” to “keep lamps burning” but CHARITY DOCTRINE is as per SLIDE 283 earlier and here & greater the CHARITY DOCTRINE (word “PERFECT” can link to “HUNDREDFOLD” levels etc.) greater the HEAVENLY REWARDS and CHRIST did NOT say CHARITY DOCTRINE is an OPTION for SOME CHRISTIANS only or PASTORS excluded since APOSTLES DID IT too (Matthew 19:27 above) in ENTERING HEAVEN CONTEXT here. Don’t add nor remove His Words as IT is WRITTEN & if anything else was important, He  would have Said in His Reply here and this is how MANY (not few) become LAST or FIRST & Vice Versa in Heaven’s SAVED type even. End.


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Slide 287 – Why Financial SIN of Luxury beyond needs can lead to HELL and HOW MONEY and LUXURY desire REVEALS who we REALLY ARE? (where is the threshold, let GOD Decide but SCRIPTURE is clear even in NEW TESTAMENT CONTEXT)

Please see James 5:5 and 1 Timothy 5:6 exact same word in Koine Greek and can be linked to Hebrew word in Sodom’s Ezekiel 16:49 and Christ in the ONLY description of a rich man who went to HELL due to LUXURY (NO other sins mentioned primarily in Luke 16:19, 25) with 2 Peter 2:13 and Jude 1:12 (men who try to ENJOY CHARITY DOCTRINE without contributing to it as I have shown about AGAPE FEAST or LOVE FEASTS in [From Page 976 – 978 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook] and Shepherd of Hermas links LUXURY to DEATH/CORRUPTION for “Christians context” and St. Irenaeous of Lyons quote in “I never knew you” LUXURY-Context included in Slide 282 earlier with St. Jusin Martyr “On the Resurrection”(Chapter 3) writing that those lose VIRGINITY can REPENT and LIVE as THOUGH RENEWED etc. on next SLIDE 288 (so no point judging those who repented).

“… And he said to me, Do you see this shepherd? I see him, sir, I said. This, he answered, is the angel of luxury and deceit: he wears out the souls of the servants of God, and perverts them from the truth, deceiving them with wicked desires, through which they will perish; for they forget the commandments of the living God, and walk in deceits and empty luxuries; and they are ruined by the angel, some being brought to death, others to corruption. … Corruption, then, has a hope of a kind of renewal, but death has everlasting ruin. …” – Shepherd of Hermas (Book 3, Similitude 6, Chapter 2)

Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/02013.htm

Many false prophets will arise and deceive many (Matthew 24:11). Are you preaching these Bible Verses as it is Written? (The Shepherd of Hermas and St. Ireneaous quotes just proves FIRST CHRISTIANITY also taught likewise).

When we write against financial sins, some can think we are jealous but GOD KNOWS and BIBLE Verses WARN it and we PREACH it TRUTHFULLY and our part is done.

CHRIST Taught the same that CONTEXT for we CANNOT SERVE GOD and MONEY (must CHOOSE one) is CHARITY DOCTRINE by RELATIVE MEASURE in the same CHAPTER when DISCUSSING this VERSE in Luke 16:9 – 13 as shown in next SLIDE 288 [From Page 581/662 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]. So not getting in right in doctrine of money can lead to hell (Let God Decide) and they way a pastor/priest preaches about money part, I usually can make my mind about their level of truth or understanding or mostly honesty even in light of these Bible Verses. Peace to you.

Slide 288 – What DID CHRIST Teach about FINANCE? Did he Teach “Prosperity Gospel” or “Charity Doctrine” or both?

CHRIST Taught the same that CONTEXT for we CANNOT SERVE GOD and MONEY (must CHOOSE one) is CHARITY DOCTRINE by RELATIVE MEASURE in the same CHAPTER when DISCUSSING this VERSE in Luke 16:9 – 13 as shown in next SLIDE 288 [From Page 581/662 onward of the #ChiliasmBook].

So not getting in right in doctrine of money can lead to hell (Let God Decide) and they way a pastor/priest preaches about money part, I usually can make my mind about their level of truth or understanding or mostly honesty even in light of these Bible Verses. Peace to you.

1) The MONEY in CHRIST’s PARABLES refers to CHARITY DOCTRINE ACTS done with literal money and/or with the TEACHINGS including NEW TESTAMENT TRADITIONS of the CHURCH shared for FREE as much as possible

“… 1. Since therefore we have such proofs, it is not necessary to seek the truth among others which it is easy to obtain from the Church; since the apostles, like a rich man [depositing his money] in a bank, lodged in her hands most copiously all things pertaining to the truth: so that every man, whosoever will, can draw from her the water of life. Revelation 22:17 For she is the entrance to life; all others are thieves and robbers. … For how should it be if the apostles themselves had not left us writings? Would it not be necessary, [in that case,] to follow the course of the tradition which they handed down to those to whom they did commit the Churches? …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, CHILIASM Church Father (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, ‘Against Heresies’, (Book 3(III), Chapter 4), Point 1)

Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103304.htm


2) Note Luke 16:9 – 13 applies in CONTEXT of ETERNAL HOME for EVERY CHRISTIAN and NOT for some Christian only to do CHARITY DOCTRINE (by Relative Measure unless no money understood as those receiving it, right?) , can you see it here in BIBLE VERSES by CHRIST?

“… 9Here’s the lesson: USE YOUR WORLDLY RESOURCES to BENEFIT OTHERS AND MAKE FRIENDS. Then, when your possessions are gone, they will welcome you to an ETERNAL HOME. 10“If you are faithful in little things, you will be faithful in large ones. But if you are dishonest in little things, you won’t be honest with greater responsibilities. 11And IF YOU ARE UNTRUSTWORTHY ABOUT WORLDLY WEALTH, who will trust you with the TRUE RICHES OF HEAVEN? 12And if you are not faithful with other people’s things, why should you be trusted with things of your own? 13“No one can serve two masters. For you will hate one and love the other; you will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and be enslaved to money.” …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 16:9 – 13, NLT) Source: https://biblehub.com/nlt/luke/16.htm

Compare: [Another translation from Page 1698 of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]

“… 9“And I say to you, MAKE FRIENDS FOR YOURSELVES by UNRIGHTEOUS [D]MAMMON, that when [e]you fail, they may receive you into an EVERLASTING HOME [4633 [e] skēnas/Dwelling/Tabernacle]. 10He who is FAITHFUL in what is least is faithful also in much; and he who is unjust in what is least is unjust also in much. 11Therefore IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN FAITHFUL IN THE UNRIGHTEOUS MAMMON, WHO WILL COMMIT TO YOUR TRUST THE TRUE RICHES? 12And if you have not been faithful in what is another man’s, who will give you what is your own? 13“No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. YOU CANNOT SERVE GOD AND MAMMON.” …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 16:9 – 13, NKJV)

“… but those even who are not barren abstain from sexual intercourse, some being virgins from the first, and others from a certain time. And we see men also keeping themselves virgins, some from the first, and some from a certain time; so that by their means, marriage, made lawless through lust, is destroyed. …” – Blessed St. Justin of Rome or St. Justin Martyr, CHILIASM Church Father, a Great Early Christian Apologist who is a Foremost Exponent of the Divine Word, who Influenced Virtually all of subsequent Christian philosophy and Catholic theology, Martyr for Christ, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church (c. 100AD – c. 160 AD, On the Resurrection, Chapter 3)

Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0131.htm

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Founders in Christianity – Which is the oldest writing that lists out the earliest Church Leaders leading directly to the Blessed Apostles of Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ? Guess who? None other than Blessed St. Irenaeus of Lyons who is a CHILIASM CHURCH FATHER by PROPHECY position as I have extensively discussed POSSIBILITIES in the #CHILIASM Book to SHOW EVIDENCE. Can you quote him to show how well your “prophecy beliefs” match his quotes? Only GOD KNOWS who is quoting him accurately but as long as we speak with EVIDENCE, it’s SAFE even if WRONG because that’s the ONLY EARLIEST EVIDENCE we have.  Even the Roman Catholics do NOT have a quote earlier than him, example:

“… St. Irenaeus, writing between 175 and 190, not many years after his Roman sojourn, enumerates the series from Peter to Eleutherius (Against Heresies III.3.3; Eusebius, Church History V.6). His object, as we have already seen, was to establish the orthodoxy of the traditional doctrine, as opposed to heretical novelties, by showing that the bishop was the natural inheritor of the Apostolic teaching. He gives us the names alone, not the length of the various episcopates. This need is supplied by other witnesses. …” (Chronological Lists of Popes) Source: https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12272a.htm

Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, CHILIASM Church Father (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, all quotes from this book ‘Against Heresies’)

Sample quotes are in images.

If Roman Catholic Church today with biggest continued evangelism in numbers can be in error in some parts of doctrine when compared to St. Irenaeus any other Protestant Christianity can likewise be wrong too so better to guard one’s tongue and consider evidences to be safe.

(All quotes from this book ‘Against Heresies’) Remember even Jews were WRONG by CHRIST’s TIME though they were PRIESTS, PRESERVED SCRIPTURE etc. Peace to you

Founders in Christianity – FIRST HOSPITAL for ALL and FREE in HUMAN HISTORY by God’s Grace in St. Basil the Great , the Third Great Greek Doctor of the Church may NOT have believed in CHILIASM but that’s understandable since NOT all writings are available and he is MUCH LATER than say St. Irenaeus of Lyons, St. Justin Martyr or even Tertullian but his CHARITY DOCTRINE impact changed the WORLD! Also strangely he has some POSSIBLE NON ELECT SALVATION quotes as I have shown in Powerpoint and free pdf books such as in [From Pages 121, 240, 394 and 395 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]

Please compare against those who build HOSPITALS ONLY for OWN RACE/RELIGION/RICH in HISTORY or even to MAKE MONEY as BUSINESS in MODERN HISTORY and NOT for FREE or discriminate you while using MOSTLY CHRISTIAN DISCOVERED MODERN MEDICINES .

Basil of Caesarea Develops the Hospital

Although there were forms of hospitals in Greece and Rome before Christ, they were only for the wealthy. Basil of Caesarea founded what historians consider the first hospital. In 369 AD Basil built and ran a 300-bed hospital in Caesarea. Gregory of Nazianzus, one of the Cappadocian Fathers along with Basil, called it one of the great wonders of the world. It was the first large-scale hospital. Patients were cared for–doctors and nurses treated patients, and diseases were studied at the facility. The “Hektoen International: A Journal of Medical Humanities” states that a hospital must three components to be considered a hospital: inpatient facilities, professional medical caregivers, and care given for free. Basil’s Basilias was the first to have all three components.

After Basil died in 379 AD, hospitals started sprouting up all over the Roman Empire. Within a hundred years, hospitals were a normal part of the Greco-Roman world.

“I have learned from Jesus Christ Himself what charity is, and how we ought to practice it; for He says: ‘By this shall all men know that ye are My disciples, if ye love one another.’ Never can I, therefore, please myself in the hope that I may obtain the name of a servant of Christ if I possess not a true and unfeigned charity within me.” (~Basil)

https://www.facebook.com/church.history01

Source: https://www.facebook.com/church.history01/posts/pfbid0291AhhA3yHffUrxrXVs4MtKP4VQkRRbmZcfddQwwBSkeSifyLXoUk8jZgmiZJjysxl

Who was he? Blessed St. Basil the Great, the Third Great Greek Doctor of the Church was the bishop of Caesarea Mazaca in Cappadocia, Asia Minor (modern-day Turkey). He was an influential theologian who supported the Nicene Creed and opposed the heresies of the early Christian church, fighting against both Arianism and the followers of Apollinaris of Laodicea. In addition to his work as a theologian, Basil was known for his care of the poor and underprivileged. Basil established guidelines for monastic life which focus on community life, liturgical prayer, and manual labor. Together with Pachomius, he is remembered as a father of communal monasticism in Eastern Christianity, Titles: one of the Three Holy Hierarchs / Great Hierarch, Doctor of the Church, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church  (c. 329 AD – c. 379 AD).

Founders MINISTRY in Christianity
[From Page 500 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]

This same TERTULLIAN wrote that 1 Corinthians 15:52’s CHANGE in TWINKLING of an EYE PROPHECY refers to this CHILIASM Prophecy in his own words here and NOT about a ‘secret coming of Christ’ HOW COME? More quotes in those pages (the other quote here is about “Apostolic Succession”)

“… Chapter 25. … Of the heavenly kingdom this is the process. After its thousand years are over, within which period is completed the resurrection of the saints, who rise sooner or later according to their deserts there will ensue the destruction of the world and the conflagration of all things at the judgment: we shall then be changed in a moment into the substance of angels, even by the investiture of an incorruptible nature, and so be removed to that kingdom in heaven … when Abraham’s seed, after the primal promise of being like the sand of the sea for multitude, is destined likewise to an equality with the stars of heaven — are not these the indications both of an earthly and a heavenly dispensation? …” – Blessed Tertullian, Father of Latin Christianity, Founder of Western Theological Scholarship, CHILIASM CHURCH FATHER (c. 155 AD – c. 240 AD, Against Marcion, Book III, Chapter 25-partial) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/03123.htm

A Thought to ponder: When St. Irenaeus of Lyons wrote this, he was talking about the CHILIASM Church he wrote so much about and NOT any modern Church including the current Roman Catholic type, can you really SEE it?

Founders in Christianity – a note about “Who is HARDWORKING in LIFE”?

St. Basil the Great (First Founder of free hospitals for the common man in all of human history) gave an interesting comment regarding “Christians being hardworking in spiritual matters such as Prayer, Church Attendance etc. as long as it does NOT cost ANY MONEY” (Please see slides 286 to 288 for FINANCIAL SIN and GOD’s WILL in 290 Slides Powerpoint earlier).

St. Basil the Great (like other “Church Fathers” & even “Doctors of the Church” did NOT live in luxury NOR take any BIG SALARY) but yet were HARD WORKING on doing SHARING EARTHLY and SPIRITUAL GOODS for FREE to the PUBLIC.

In other words, compare with an average money-lover who claims to be hardworking but he is so because he may be earning BIG SALARY for EVERY HOUR he is HARDWORKING for, so will he spend the SAME TIME to do it for FREE or to GIVE it to CHARITY (even at end of life via a will)? Only then someone (pastor/priest or laity) can be said to be hardworking (i.e. when GIVING for FREE as CHRIST Taught in Matthew 10:8).

In short, it is NOT a PERFECT GOOD WORK until it is for FREE or that MONEY EARNED via SECULAR WORK is GIVEN/PLEDGED via a WILL to POOR/CHARITY at end of life which is TRUE HARDWORKING as these Church Fathers have demonstrated by GOD’s GRACE.

In comparison, the average secular rich man uses the poor to work for them with lower wages benefitting from nepotism to racism to luck to contacts etc. while they earn big money via ADMIN JOB of MANAGEMENT ONLY and the MONEY is for THEM and THEIR FAMILY (not CHARITY nor POOR or even NEIGHBOURS to ENEMIES as CHRIST Commanded in Matthew 5:43 – 48 or only SMALL TIT-BITS in PERCENTAGE or RELATIVE MEASURE given, as GOD COUNTS as HE SAID in Luke 21:1 – 3 so don’t be deceived by mere selfish humans who teach against these Bible Verses even), right?

St. Basil’s quote agrees with Prophet Isaiah 58:3, 7 – 9 or New Testament’s 2 Corinthians 9:9 – 13 as I have shown in [From Page 115 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook].

Reward is in heaven and not earth as even the POOR WIDOW with remarkable LOVE which exhibited in ACTION as GIVING all her LIVELIHOOD in Luke 21:1 – 3 as CHRIST SAID did NOT become MILLIONAIRE on earth.

Founders in Christianity – a note about “Who is HARDWORKING in LIFE”? Slide 7 in Founders PPT (Part 2 of 2)

[From Page 115 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]

Becoming RICH is NOT Proof that GOD has NOTICED FASTING as CHRIST showed in Luke 21:1 – 3 that HE notices WHO GIVES more in LOVE. Small love, small giving and Reward in Heaven and NOT on EARTH.

A Thought to Ponder: In other words, compare with an average money-lover who claims to be hardworking but he is so because he may be earning BIG SALARY for EVERY HOUR he is HARDWORKING for, so will he spend the SAME TIME to do it for FREE or to GIVE it to CHARITY (even at end of life via a will)? Only then someone (pastor/priest or laity/common man) can be said to be hardworking (i.e. when GIVING for FREE as CHRIST Taught in Matthew 10:8).

In short, it is NOT a PERFECT GOOD WORK until it is for FREE or that MONEY EARNED via SECULAR WORK is GIVEN/PLEDGED via a WILL to POOR/CHARITY at end of life which is TRUE HARDWORKING as these Church Fathers have demonstrated by GOD’s GRACE. ” (Please see slides 286 to 288 for FINANCIAL SIN and GOD’s WILL in 290 Slides Powerpoint earlier).

It’s not Perfect until it’s FREE.

“… ‘Why have WE FASTED,’ they say, ‘and YOU HAVE NOT SEEN? Why have WE AFFLICTED OUR SOULS, and YOU TAKE NO NOTICE?’ …” (Isaiah 58:3, NKJV)

Part of the Answer (God’s Reply):

“… 7Is it not to SHARE YOUR BREAD with the HUNGRY,
And that you bring to your house THE POOR who are cast out;
When you see THE NAKED, that you cover him,
And not hide yourself from YOUR OWN FLESH?
8Then YOUR LIGHT shall break forth like the MORNING,
YOUR HEALING shall spring forth speedily,
And your righteousness shall go before you;
The glory of the Lord shall be your rear guard.
9Then you shall call, and the Lord will answer;
You shall cry, and He will say, ‘Here I am.’ …” (Isaiah 58:7 – 9, NKJV)

“… 9As it is written: “He has dispersed abroad,He has GIVEN TO THE POOR; His RIGHTEOUSNESS endures FOREVER.” 10Now [g]may He who supplies seed to the sower, and bread for food, [h]supply and multiply the seed you have sown and INCREASE THE FRUITS OF YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS, 11while you are enriched in everything for ALL LIBERALITY, which causes THANKSGIVING THROUGH US TO GOD. 12For the ADMINISTRATION OF THIS SERVICE not only SUPPLIES THE NEEDS OF THE SAINTS, but also is ABOUNDING THROUGH MANY THANKSGIVINGS TO GOD, 13while, through the PROOF OF THIS MINISTRY, THEY GLORIFY GOD for the OBEDIENCE OF YOUR CONFESSION to the GOSPEL OF CHRIST, and for YOUR LIBERAL SHARING WITH THEM and ALL MEN, …” (2 Corinthians 9:9 – 13, NKJV)

“… 31“But SEEK HIS KINGDOM, and THESE THINGS will be ADDED TO YOU. 32“Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has chosen gladly to give you the kingdom. 33“SELL YOUR POSSESSIONS and GIVE TO CHARITY; make yourselves money belts which do not wear out, an UNFAILING TREASURE IN HEAVEN, where no thief comes near nor moth destroys. 34“For where your treasure is, there YOUR HEART WILL BE ALSO. 35“Be dressed in readiness, and KEEP YOUR LAMPS LIT. …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 12:31 – 35, NASB)

“… [ 39Then the Lord said to him, ] “Now you Pharisees make the OUTSIDE OF THE CUP and DISH CLEAN, but YOUR INWARD PART is full of [k]GREED and WICKEDNESS. 40FOOLISH ones! Did not He who made the outside make the inside also? 41But rather GIVE ALMS of [l]SUCH THINGS AS YOU HAVE; then indeed ALL THINGS ARE CLEAN TO YOU. …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 11:39 – 41, NKJV)

“… I have shown you in every way, by laboring like this, that you must support the weak. And remember the words of the Lord Jesus, that He said, ‘It is MORE BLESSED to GIVE THAN TO RECEIVE.’ ” …” (Acts 20:35, NKJV)

“… 10In this the CHILDREN OF GOD and THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL are manifest: Whoever DOES NOT PRACTICE RIGHTEOUSNESS is not of God, NOR IS HE WHO DOES NOT LOVE HIS BROTHER. 11For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another, 12not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? BECAUSE HIS WORKS WERE EVIL AND HIS BROTHER’S RIGHTEOUS. … 16By this WE KNOW LOVE, because He laid down His life for us. And we also OUGHT TO LAY DOWN OUR LIVES FOR THE BRETHREN. 17But WHOEVER HAS THIS WORLD’S GOODS, and SEES HIS BROTHER IN NEED, AND SHUTS UP HIS HEART FROM HIM, HOW DOES THE LOVE OF GOD ABIDE IN HIM? 18My little children, let us NOT LOVE IN WORD or IN TONGUE, BUT IN DEED AND IN TRUTH …” (1 John 3: 10 – 12, 16 – 18, NKJV)

“… 8If you really FULFILL the ROYAL LAW according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well; … For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment. 14What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. 18But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [f]your works, and I will show you my faith by [g]my works. …” (James 2:8, 13 – 18, NKJV)

“… 32“But IF YOU LOVE THOSE WHO LOVE YOU, WHAT CREDIT IS THAT TO YOU? …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 6:32, NKJV)

“… WHAT DO YOU DO MORE THAN OTHERS? …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 5:47, NKJV)

“… 33And IF YOU DO GOOD TO THOSE WHO DO GOOD TO YOU, WHAT CREDIT IS THAT TO YOU? …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 6:33, NKJV)

Founders MINISTRY in Christianity – St. Athanasius and the Didache

– I saw this conventional Protestant Reformation page also quoting the Didache Prophecy about the Antichrist.

Interestingly, “the Didache” is approved by “Blessed St. Athanasius the Great, First Great Greek Doctor of the Church and Champion of Trinity as SAME LEVEL of “Shepherd of Hermas” or “Book of Esther which today is in all Bibles” as I have shown say in [From Page 682 onward of the #MysteryoftheKingdomofHeavenBook].

The Didache seems to teach these too (will the Protestant page agree or at least consider as possibility to be honest?):

1) Some type of NON-ELECT SALVATION for those WHO did FINANCIAL SINS of taking MONEY beyond NEED? [From Page 391 onward of the #MysteryoftheKingdomofHeavenBook] and the one who GIVES even to WRONG PERSON or SCAMMED is GUILTLESS (meaning his reward is secure and NO sin on his part for being cheated)

2) NO Secret Pre-Trib Rapture but only ONE PUBLIC SECOND COMING of CHRIST followed by CHILIASM PROPHECY of FIRST RESURRECTION of SOME and NOT ALL [From Page 528 onward of the #MysteryoftheKingdomofHeavenBook]

3) Charity Doctrine Lifestyle Specifically “Almsgiving/Alms” or “Money to help others Financially” to be forgiven or as “RANSOM” for “JUDGMENT of SINS” [From Page 533 onward of the #MysteryoftheKingdomofHeavenBook] same way we keep HOLY which is NOT counted as ‘Salvation by Works either’ (same principle in Financial Holiness) & NO Prayers to Virgin Mary found in it etc. (discovered late so well preserved)


Founders MINISTRY in Christianity St. Athanasius the Great approved the Didache for Usage – Part 2 of 2

1) Some type of NON-ELECT SALVATION for those WHO did FINANCIAL SINS of taking MONEY beyond NEED? [From Page 391 onward of the #MysteryoftheKingdomofHeavenBook] and the one who GIVES even to WRONG PERSON or SCAMMED is GUILTLESS (meaning his reward is secure and NO sin on his part for being cheated)

Here’s that “Didache” Warning of taking money “beyond needs” (applies not just to Church money but any money too):

“… Happy is he who gives according to the commandment, for he is guiltless. WOE to HIM WHO RECEIVES; for if one receives who has need, he is guiltless; but he who RECEIVES NOT having NEED shall PAY the PENALTY, why he received and for what. And coming into CONFINEMENT, he shall be EXAMINED concerning the THINGS which he HAS DONE, and he shall NOT ESCAPE from THERE until he PAYS back the LAST PENNY. And also concerning this, it has been said, Let YOUR ALMS sweat in your hands, until you know to whom you should give…” – The Didache, The Lord’s Teaching Through the Twelve Apostles to the Nations. (1st Century, Chapter 1. The Two Ways and the First Commandment),

Source: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/didache-roberts.html

Comment: Is this what CHRIST Meant in these Bible Verses? (we consider it as a POSSIBILITY in light of all this EVIDENCE as you can see, difficult to decide, right?)

[From Page 1800 or 2387 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook];

Compare: The “Prison” till the “Last Penny” seem to refer to the “Gehenna” (Final Hell or Lake of Fire Context) because Christ was talking about that Topic in Verses below:

“… 22 But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in DANGER of HELL [Gehenna] fire. 23Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into PRISON. 26Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till YOU HAVE PAID THE LAST PENNY. …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 5:22 – 26, NKJV)

In yet another time CHRIST uses that same phrase “Till the Last Penny” to refer to the “unforgiveness attitude some have” which could mean ‘Lake of Fire or Hades Context’ too:

“… 32Then his master, after he had called him, said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you begged me. 33Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you?’ 34And his master was angry, and DELIVERED HIM TO THE TORTURERS UNTIL HE SHOULD PAY ALL THAT WAS DUE TO HIM. 35“So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother [g]his trespasses. …” – Most Blessed Judge & KING of kings, Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 18:32 – 35, NKJV)

This is Founders Slide 10. Lake of Fire or Hades or both or Neither?

Founders MINISTRY in Christianity – St. Athanasius the Great approved the Didache for Usage which uses the SAME BIBLICAL Phrase “Till the last Penny” as we saw in Founders Slide 9 earlier –

Here’s the Dilemma: Can the word “PRISON” refer to LAKE of FIRE Context or HADES Context?

The Roman Catholics use Matthew 5:25 – 26 or Matthew 18:34 to refer to HADES Context & link it to PURGATORY (quoting even 1 Peter 3:18 – 19’s “PRISON” word but this refers to “unbelievers context who rejected Noah’s preaching on earth” so POSSIBLE Non-Elect Salvation likewise for “some who believe there in Spirit World too” as word “FORMERLY DISOBEDIENT” meaning not disobedient anymore repented in Spirit World means?).

Another POSSIBILITY is that Isaiah 24:21 – 22 uses the word “PRISON” in “Lake of FIRE Context” since it’s AFTER CHRIST RETURNS and Original Word as KJV translates too is VISITED and NOT Punished AFTER MANY DAYS (as shown in Slide 264 which even NIV translation adds a footnote that ORIGINAL WORD can mean “RELEASED” – Check with your Bible Professor if I’m lying or not).

POSSIBILITIES are there with EVIDENCE even SOLA SCRIPTURA like this but which is right let GOD DECIDE as I present the EVIDENCE HONESTLY and GUARD my tongue likewise. This is Founders Slide 10.

[From Page 1800 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook] CHRIST (not me) Says some of those in AFTERLIFE-PRISON can be RELEASED after JUDGMENT or not here?

“… 22 But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in DANGER of HELL [Gehenna] fire. 23Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into PRISON. 26Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till YOU HAVE PAID THE LAST PENNY. …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 5:22 – 26, NKJV)

“… 32Then his master, after he had called him, said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you begged me. 33Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you?’ 34And his master was angry, and DELIVERED HIM TO THE TORTURERS UNTIL HE SHOULD PAY ALL THAT WAS DUE TO HIM. 35“So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother [g]his trespasses. …” – Most Blessed Judge & KING of kings, Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 18:32 – 35, NKJV)

Please notice the WORD PRISON carefully in each of these BIBLE VERSES only (Sola Scriptura even) to see this POSSIBILITY of NON-ELECT SALVATION for some? I don’t know for sure but this is the EVIDENCE.

“… 18For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring [f]us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19by whom also He went and preached to the SPIRITS in PRISON, 20who FORMERLY were DISOBEDIENT, [g]when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. …” (1 Peter 3:18 – 20, NKJV)

“… 21And it shall come to pass IN THAT DAY, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth. 22And they shall be gathered together, AS PRISONERS ARE GATHERED IN THE PIT, and shall be SHUT UP IN THE PRISON, and AFTER MANY DAYS shall they be VISITED. ...” (Isaiah 24:21 – 22, KJV)


Slide 11 in Founders Powerpoint – What does Most Blessed LORD JESUS CHRIST mean when He Said “BORN AGAIN”? (John 3:3, 5)

Many weird modern definitions exist but the earliest one I know which matches best what CHRIST SAID directly for “ETERNAL LIFE CONTEXT” (Matthew 19:16 – 30) is by St. Justin of Rome.

In short, CHRIST’s Teaching for ETERNAL LIFE is HOLINESS + CHARITY DOCTRINE in BIBLE Verses here so we PREACH BOTH (Slide 286 in 290 slides Powerpoint while this is Slide 11 in Founders Powerpoint). Other rules affect reward only.

[From Page 85 onward of the #LastBook]

“…16…“Good[d] Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?” 17 … But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” [18He said to Him, “Which ones?”] Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ” 20The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept [g]from my youth. What do I STILL LACK?” [21JESUS said to him], “IF you want to be PERFECT, go, SELL what YOU HAVE and GIVE to the POOR, and YOU WILL HAVE TREASURE IN HEAVEN; and come, FOLLOW ME.” 22But when the young man heard that saying, he went away SORROWFUL, for he had GREAT POSSESSIONS. 23Then JESUS said to His disciples, “Assuredly, I say to you that it is HARD for a RICH MAN TO ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. 24And AGAIN I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. … 30But MANY who are FIRST will be LAST, and the LAST FIRST. …” – The GREATEST ONE, The ONLY KING, GOD in FLESH, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:16, 17, 21 – 24, 30 NKJV)

[From Page 520 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]

“…For, in the name of God, the Father and Lord of the universe, and of our Saviour Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit, they then receive the washing with water. For Christ also said, Unless you be born again, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. John 3:5 Now, that it is impossible for those who have once been born to enter into their mothers’ wombs, is manifest to all. And how those who have sinned and repent shall escape their sins, is declared by Esaias the prophet, as I wrote above; he thus speaks: Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from your souls; learn to do well; judge the fatherless, and plead for the widow: and come and let us reason together, says the Lord. And though your sins be as scarlet, I will make them white like wool; and though they be as crimson, I will make them white as snow. But if you refuse and rebel, the sword shall devour you: for the mouth of the Lord has spoken it. Isaiah 1:16-20. And for this [rite] we have learned from the apostles this reason. …” – Blessed St. Justin of Rome or St. Justin Martyr, PRIEST, CHILIASM CHURCH FATHER, MARTYR for CHRIST,, a Great Early Christian Apologist who is a Foremost Exponent of the Divine Word, who Influenced Virtually all of subsequent Christian philosophy and Catholic theology, Martyr for Christ, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church (c. 100AD – c. 160 AD, The First Apology, Chapter 61, Christian Baptism )

Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0126.htm

Charity Doctrine is called as HIGHER MINISTRY of PERFECTION (“Labour of Love” & “Ministering to Saints” NOT Work meaning sharing earthly and spiritual goods for FREE) compared to ELEMENTARY (LOWER MINISTRY) of “Preaching of Repentance, Faith, Baptism, Laying Hands (Praying) & Judgment” implying higher reward only when BOTH DONE so we must compare if the Bible compares these below, right? Hebrews 6:1 – 3, 9 – 12.

[From Page 8 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]

“… 1Therefore, LEAVING THE DISCUSSION OF THE ELEMENTARY PRINCIPLES OF CHRIST, let us GO ON TO [a]PERFECTION, NOT laying again the FOUNDATION of REPENTANCE FROM DEAD WORKS and OF FAITH TOWARD GOD, 2of the DOCTRINE OF BAPTISMS, of LAYING OF HANDS, of RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD, and of ETERNAL JUDGMENT. 3And THIS [b]we will do IF GOD PERMITS. … 9But, beloved, we are confident of BETTER THINGS CONCERNING YOU, YES, THINGS THAT ACCOMPANY SALVATION, though we speak in this manner. 10For God is not unjust to forget YOUR WORK and [d]LABOR OF LOVE which you have shown toward His name, IN THAT YOU HAVE MNISTERED TO THE SAINTS, and DO MINISTER. 11And WE DESIRE THAT EACH ONE OF YOU SHOW THE SAME DILLIGENCE TO THE FULL ASSURANCE OF HOPE UNTIL THE END, 12that you do not become [e]sluggish, but imitate those who through faith and patience INHERIT the promises. …” (Hebrews 6:1 – 3, 9 – 12, NKJV)



SLIDE 12 in Founders Powerpoint. A thought to Ponder: Just Bible Verses with no comments etc. still means same, right? May God Help us do it by His Grace. What is Biblical Perfection?

God looks for ABILITY (Knowledge accuracy) & LOVE (Charity Doctrine) above AVAILABILITY (or “Zeal for God”) which is NOT accurate (Romans 10:2).

Remember relative measure as Poor Widow gave more (Luke 21:1 – 3) and CHRIST did NOT even NOTICE the RICH’s GIVING which was MORE in AMOUNT so same true for ANY MINISTRY too because “more given” (example, ministry jobs with salary, tithes + love offerings, more converts with money-support) “more will be required” as CHRIST Warned in Luke 12:48. NOT knowing does NOT exempt a CHRISTIAN but rather only gives “SALVATION AFTER BEATING TYPE for those SERVANTS even if saved”.

Founders MINISTRY in Christianity (Slide 13) – Sola Scriptura on Finance Rules – Do you know that the Bible reveals the Financial Sign of an Apostle? Based on these Verses are they really apostles?

Apostles are not only about “Signs and Wonders” (talking about ‘real miracles’, different topic) but also in FINANCE SIGN it’s clearly & repeatedly WRITTEN here that they DO NOT LIVE in PROSPERITY from CHURCH MONEY, TITHES NOR LOVE OFFERINGS where even to take THEIR NEED they will PREFER NOT TO and WORK as Apostle St. Paul demonstrated and even will teach to USE CHURCH MONEY to be SAVED to be SPENT for CHURCH MEMBERS for their NEEDS (as “parents save up for children” analogy used here) – so how many Churches’ money is used for CHURCH MEMEBERS’ NEEDS and NOT for Pastors only etc.?

Note that Apostle is the highest spiritual position and the second is prophets, third teachers and only after that miracles (lower) as written in 1 Corinthians 12:28 or Ephesians 4:11. How can a Church boast to be a Church of Christ unless it exhibits this financial aspect as well to be REAL?

“… 11I have become a fool [c]in boasting; you have compelled me. For I ought to have been commended by you; for in nothing was I behind the most eminent apostles, though I am nothing. 12Truly the signs of an apostle were accomplished among you with all perseverance, in signs and wonders and mighty deeds. 13For what is it in which you were inferior to other churches, except that I myself was not burdensome to you? Forgive me this wrong! 14Now for the third time I am ready to come to you. And I will not be burdensome to you; for I do not seek yours, but you. For the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children. 15And I will very gladly spend and be spent for your souls; though the more abundantly I love you, the less I am loved.16But be that as it may, I did not burden you. Nevertheless, being crafty, I caught you by cunning! 17Did I take advantage of you by any of those whom I sent to you? …” (2 Corinthians 12:11 – 16, NKJV)

“…And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. …” (1 Corinthians 12:28, NKJV)

Note: Apostles & Prophets can have ZERO PROPHECY ERROR. Compare for example with CHILIASM Prophecy in Slide 4 in Founders PPT earlier.

“…And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, …” (Ephesians 4:11, NKJV)

2) We can save up money if intention is “not self prosperity” but to give it to “others/charity/needy” (not the rich or those who have) at end of life is in principle of this Bible Verse as a True “Spiritual Parent” (or “Father of the Church” or Priest/Pastor etc.) should do as Blessed Apostle St. Paul writes in 2 Corinthians 12:14 in Principle.

Notice the Most Blessed Holy Spirit of God inspired to Reveal that even APOSTLES (highest Spiritual Position) living on Church Money is WRONG for NEEDS (in 2 Corinthians 12:13) but ‘modern so called apostles’ not just take needs BUT PROSPERITY too! (when those willing to live like that apply to Christian Charity or Ministries they do NOT hire but HIRE PROSPERITY PASTORS etc. – see the IRONY based on NON-MERIT HIRING on this FINANCIAL BIBLICAL RULES here? Dangerous):

“… 12Truly the SIGNS of AN APOSTLE were accomplished among you with all perseverance, in signs and wonders and mighty deeds. 13For what is it in which you were inferior to other churches, except that I MYSELF WAS NOT BURDENSOME to YOU? FORGIVE ME THIS WRONG!And I WILL NOT BE BURDENSOME to YOU; FOR I DO NOT SEEK YOURS, but you. For the CHILDREN OUGHT NOT TO LAY UP FOR THE PARENTS, but PARENTS FOR THE CHILDREN.. 15And I WILL VERY GLADLY SPEND and be SPENT FOR YOUR SOULS; …”(2 Corinthians 12:11 – 16,NKJV)

The ”lower spiritual positions” (non apostles and non-prophets etc.) perhaps can “live from the Gospel” (meaning NEEDS NOT PROSPERITY) such as “Pastors or Teachers or Priests or Evangelists or anyone who preach the gospel” as other Verses point such as 1 Corinthians 9:14 – 15 says:

“…14Even so the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should live from the gospel. 15But I have used none of these things, nor have I written these things that it should be done so to me; for it would be better for me to die than that anyone should make my boasting void. …” (1 Corinthians 9:14 – 15, NKJV)  This is NOT Pride but a BIBLE VERSE!

Slide 14 in Founders MINISTRY in Christianity – Sola Scriptura on Finance Rules which did NOT just apply on “Apostles” but also for ANYONE WHO PREACHES the GOSPEL to GAIN GREATER HEAVENLY REWARD (No special cases of “living in prosperity beyond needs especially with Church Money” written in 1 Corinthians 9:14 – 18).

This is important because if we do NOT go by BIBLE RULES there is NO CROWNING (2 Timothy 2:5) if ZEAL for GOD is without ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE (Romans 10:2) and LOVE defined here as USING CHURCH MONEY NOT for APOSTLES’ PROSPERITY even but also for OTHER CHURCH MEMBERS’ NEEDS including APOSTLE ST. PAUL WORKING SECULAR JOB NOT full time ministry as LEADERSHIP by EXAMPLE in FINANCE to PROVIDE for ONESELF and OTHERS (Truly humility is giving more & not receiving more finance) as one of the PROPHECY he gave in FINANCE ASPECT is that FALSE PROPHETS [Wolves] CANNOT LIVE this WAY (in Acts 20:29 – 36).

For those who say “Preaching Gospel is nothing to do with CHARITY DOCTRINE” remember this APOSTOLIC COMMAND agreed by ALL APOSTLES (and not selected few or for some Christians only to follow) in Galatians 2:9 – 10.

Where are the NON-EXISTENT LIVE in PROSPERITY with CHURCH MONEY BIBLE VERSES? I mean some PASTORS live like that WITHOUT even ONE NEW TESTAMENT BIBLE VERSE allowing it, can you SEE it?

If Bible WRITES these RULES, we FOLLOW, right? OBEDIENCE is BETTER than ANY SACRIFICE (1 Samuel 15:22) and ONLY CHURCH LEADERS who FOLLOW NEW TESTAMENT RULES, COMMANDS & TRADITIONS stand a CHANCE to be DOUBLE HONOURED as it’s specifically WRITTEN as FOCUS on “WORD or DOCTRINE” accuracy in “PREACHING & TEACHING” (Did you know? In 1 Timothy 5:17).
Let God Decide those who did it more accurately.

We CANNOT be jealous of others if we ourselves CANNOT use that same Church Money if given to us for “prosperity”, right?

Also some think that those PASTORS deserve PROSPERITY for PREACHING GOSPEL to them but BIBLE VERSE in 1 CORINTHIANS 9:16 SAYS PREACHING the GOSPEL is NOTHING to BOAST ABOUT unless BOASTING is ABOUT doing it FOR FREE in 1 CORINTHIANS 9:14, 15 and ONLY this TYPE is ELIGIBLE for GREAT REWARD when DONE for FREE (like St. Paul worked SECULAR JOB even) as 1 CORINTHIANS 9:18 REVEALS.

Please read each Verse Quoted carefully to see if I’m LYING or if YOU ARE LYING. Should be obvious and if BIBLE WRITES it, we OBEY as it is WRITTEN. We have LAWS.

Founders MINISTRY in Christianity (Slide 15) – Did you know when the FAMOUS Bible Verse about FALSE APOSTLES in CHRISTIANITY even was given together with Satan transforms into an “angel of light” & “doers of righteousness” too the MOST INTRIGUING PART which ONLY a FEW have NOTICED (Sola Scriptura even) is that IT is WRITTEN in FINANCE CONTEXT of GIVING GOSPEL THINGS FREE of CHARGE (2 Corinthians 11:7, compare with modern apostles ‘highly pricing their books even with little accuracy or are they more accurate than Apostle St. Paul who GIVES it FREE?’) and TAKING NEED from OTHERS due to CIRCUMSTANCE is still CONSIDERED ROBBERY to BUILD CHURCHES even but since it’s GOOD intention it’s ALLOWED but how about modern apostles building PROSPERITY & LUXURY for themselves & their families (in 2 Corinthians 11:8) and WHY the REAL APOSTLE St. PAUL (not me as I just present this EVIDENCE) is SO OBSESSED with REPEATING this FINANCE CONTEXT ONLY (no other topic mainly here, see?) in 2 Corinthians 11: 9 yet again to say if he COULD NOT PROVIDE the NEED only he took from OTHERS compared against modern apostles taking beyond needs and prosperity?

Basically Blessed Apostle St. Paul himself is PROPHESYING that FALSE APOSTLES & SATAN’s TYPE can DO “righteousness” too BUT they CANNOT do RIGHTEOUSNESS & APOSTLESHIP the CHARITY DOCTRINE WAY in BIBLE Verses (not opinions of men) below (can you see it if I’m lying or not? Read for yourselves & this Verse ties in context with 2 Corinthians 12:13 discussed in Slide 13/14 earlier; I don’t need to judge who is who & let GOD DECIDE but this is SCRIPTURE so BEST is to FOLLOW CHRIST):

“… 5For I consider that I am not at all inferior to the most eminent apostles. 6Even though I am untrained in speech, yet I am not in knowledge. But we have [b]been thoroughly manifested among you in all things. 7Did I commit sin in [c]humbling myself that you might be exalted, because I preached the gospel of God to you free of charge? 8I robbed other churches, taking wages from them to minister to you. 9And when I was present with you, and in need, I was a burden to no one, for what I lacked the brethren who came from Macedonia supplied. And in everything I kept myself from being burdensome to you, and so I will keep myself. 10As the truth of Christ is in me, no one shall stop me from this boasting in the regions of Achaia. 11Why? Because I do not love you? God knows! 12But what I do, I will also continue to do, that I may cut off the opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the things of which they boast. 13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works. …” (2 Corinthians 11:5 – 15, NKJV)

Comment: Notice that the FINANCIAL BOASTING of PREACHING GOSPEL for FREE & NOT taking NEEDS as much as POSSIBLE from others’ MONEY HELP is NOT called PRIDE but “SUCH BOASTING is TRUTH of CHRIST in me” as Apostle St. Paul writes in 2 Corinthians 11:10, can you see it? Also LOGIC is simple: If someone is unwilling to Preach or Live the Gospel unless they are PROMISED FINANCIAL PROSPERITY, then they were never true preachers of Gospel either or tainted with this financial sin heavily as Bible Writes heavily here. So may God Help us.

Slide 16 in Founders Powerpoint – The ONLY two BOASTING Scripture Allows as shown in Bible Verses in Slide 15 earlier is this:

1)PREACHING GOSPEL for FREE

2) NOT taking NEEDS as much as POSSIBLE from others’ MONEY HELP and work SECULAR JOB even as TENTMAKER as Blessed Apostle St. Paul did if needed due to lack of support etc.


Those who do against what is Written are PUFFED UP (1 Corinthians 4:6).

Slide 17 in Founders Powerpoint – KINGDOM “FRUITS” Mystery – Some Parables of CHRIST have FIXED meaning and manipulating it can lead to REJECTION from ELECT SALVATION of Marriage/Wedding of the LambSt. Irenaeus of Lyons Teaches FRUIT of RIGHTEOUSNESS Parables are CHARITY DOCTRINE (we teach the same) for Matthew 21:43’s Christ’s Mysterious Parable of “Fruits” linking to “those who inherit the Kingdom of God”.

So be careful little mouth what you say and at least MAY GOD HELP US to NOT ERR on this part of CORE CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE & may HIS GRACE HELP us DO IT by RELATIVE MEASURE of what’s GIVEN to us in LIFE.

“… Again does the Lord say: Have you never read, The stone which the builders rejected, the same has become the head of the corner: this is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? Therefore I say unto you, that the kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. Matthew 21:42-44… TO SEEK the FRUITS, saying thus to them (the Jews): Thus SAYS the LORD, Cleanse your ways and your doings, execute just judgment, and look each one with pity and compassion on his brother: oppress not the widow nor the orphan, the proselyte nor the poor, and let none of you treasure up evil against his brother in your hearts, and love not false swearing. Wash you, make you clean, put away evil from your hearts, learn to do well, seek judgment, protect the oppressed, judge the fatherless (pupillo), plead for the widow; and come, let us reason together, says the Lord. And again: Keep your tongue from evil, and your lips that they speak no guile; depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it. In preaching these things, the prophets sought the fruits of righteousness. …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, CHILIASM Church Father (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD), , Against Heresies (Book 4(IV), Chapter 36), Point 1, 2 – partial)

Roman Catholic Source:

https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103436.htm

Note: Another quote of St. Irenaeus in this context is similar and is in [Page 519 & 520 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]. Can you see the CONTEXT by a “REALAuthority in Doctrine St. Irenaeus with Verses?

[From Page 82/583 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]

“… 2. According to this course of procedure, therefore, man would always be inquiring but never finding, because he has rejected the very method of discovery. AND WHEN THE BRIDEGROOM Matthew 25:5, etc. COMES, HE WHO HAS HIS LAMP UNTRIMMED, AND NOT BURNING WITH THE BRIGHTNESS OF A STEADY LIGHT, IS CLASSED AMONG THOSE WHO OBSCURE THE INTERPRETATIONS OF THE PARABLES, forsaking Him who by His plain announcements freely imparts gifts to all who come to Him, AND IS EXCLUDED FROM HIS MARRIAGE-CHAMBER. …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, Latest Doctor of the Church in 2022 only (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, ‘Against Heresies’, (Book II, Chapter 27) Point 2 – partial)

Roman Catholic Source:

https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103227.htm

Slide 18 in Founders Powerpoint – Am I obscuring Parables for NON ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY or BEING HONEST with EVIDENCE of CHILIASM Church Fathers? – I believe strongly that if you provide evidence, even if turned out wrong, GOD can FORGIVE in ORACLE/PROPHECY CONTEXT as JEREMIAH 23:36 allows.

Can you do the same with CHILIASM Church Fathers for your claims as per WARNING in Slide 17 earlier and here’s further EVIDENCE for “TILL LAST PENNY” Verses for POSSIBLE NON ELECT SALVATION (if God Wills for some) as per SLIDES 9 and 10 earlier.

The problem here is St. Irenaeus of Lyons only REFUTES the TRANSMIGRATION of SOULS teaching (“reincarnation type”) but is SILENT on the part where these VERSES may REFER to SPIRIT WORLD TYPE SALVATION AFTER JUDGMENT CONTEXT while St. Justin of Rome says that PROPHETS KNEW the TILL LAST PENNY PUNISHMENT in HADES may APPLY to SOME but NOT ALL? (or am I reading him wrong below? You decide but I’m honest with evidence, right?

Can you show me quotes from both St. Irenaeus & St. Justin for your belief likewise for these Verses? Safest way before GOD is always SPEAK with EVIDENCE

“… They affirm that for this reason Jesus spoke the following parable:— Whilst you are with your adversary in the way, give all diligence, that you may be delivered from him, lest he give you up to the judge, and the judge surrender you to the officer, and he cast you into prison. Verily, I say unto you, you shall not go out thence until you pay the very last farthing. Matthew 5:25-26; Luke 12:58-59 … for they declare that the body is the prison. Again, they interpret these expressions, You shall not go out thence until you pay the very last farthing, as meaning that no one can escape from the power of those angels who made the world, but that he must pass from body to body, until he has experience of every kind of action which can be practised in this world, and when nothing is longer wanting to him, then his liberated soul should soar upwards to that God who is above the angels, the makers of the world. …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, CHILIASM Church Father (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD), Against Heresies (Book I, Chapter 25) – partial)

Roman Catholic Source:
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103125.htm

[From Page 252 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]

“… And in the tenth book he plainly and manifestly wrote what he had LEARNED from the PROPHETS about the JUDGMENT … and was lying on the FUNERAL pile, CAME to LIFE AGAIN, and DESCRIBED the OTHER WORLD. … For we SAW, among other TERRIBLE SIGHTS, this also. When we were dose to the MOUTH [of the PIT], and were about to return to the upper air, and had suffered everything else, we suddenly beheld both him and others likewise, most of whom were tyrants. But there were also some private SINNERS who had committed GREAT CRIMES. And these, when they thought they were to ASCEND, the MOUTH would NOT PERMIT, but bellowed when any of those who were so INCURABLY WICKED attempted to ASCEND, UNLESS they had PAID the FULL PENALTY. … and that the punishments and torments were such as these, and that, on the other hand, the rewards were the reverse of these.” Here PLATO seems to me to have LEARNT from the PROPHETS not only the DOCTRINE of the JUDGMENT, but also of the RESURRECTION …” – Blessed St. Justin of Rome or St. Justin Martyr, PRIEST, CHILIASM CHURCH FATHER, MARTYR for CHRIST, a Great Early Christian Apologist who is a Foremost Exponent of the Divine Word, who Influenced Virtually all of subsequent Christian philosophy and Catholic theology, Martyr for Christ, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church (c. 100AD – c. 160 AD, CHAPTER XXVII (27) – PLATO’S KNOWLEDGE OF THE JUDGEMENT, JUSTIN’S HORTATORY ADDRESS TO THE GREEKS)

Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0129.htm

Peace to you

Slide 19 in Founders Powerpoint – Prosperity Gospel Prophecy Errors

1) Land of Canaan Prophecies has nothing to do with any “Prosperity Gospel prophecies in this life” & it applies to every Christian and many Christians died poor even on this earth without living any milk and honey lifestyle meaning it refers to the real Sabbath rest which is 1000 years Millennial Reign of Christ after Resurrection (Hebrews 4:3, 8, 9, 11). Notice that Millennial Reign is AFTER final ANTICHRIST 666 number type & AFTER RESURRECTION and NOT now (in Revelation 20:4 – 6).

2) Prophecy of Scripture is not of any private interpretation (2 Peter 1:20) and CHILIASM Church Fathers taught similarly, here’s a sample quote:

“… the Lord God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. May the Lord enlarge Japheth, and let him dwell in the houses of Shem; and let Canaan be his servant.’ Genesis 9:24-27 Accordingly, as two peoples were blessed, — those from Shem, and those from Japheth — and as the offspring of Shem were decreed first to POSSESS the DWELLINGS of CANAAN, and the offspring of Japheth were predicted as in turn receiving the same possessions, and to the two peoples there was the one people of Canaan handed over for servants; so CHRIST has come according to the power given Him from the Almighty Father, and SUMMONING MEN to FRIENDSHIP, and BLESSING, and REPENTANCE, and DWELLING TOGETHER, has PROMISED, as has already been proved, THAT THERE SHALL BE A FUTURE POSSESSION for ALL THE SAINTS in this SAME LAND. And hence all men everywhere, whether bond or free, WHO BELIEVE IN CHRIST, and recognise the truth in HIS OWN WORDS and those of HIS PROPHETS, KNOW THAT THEY SHALL be WITH HIM in THAT LAND, and INHERIT EVERLASTING and INCORRUPTIBLE GOOD. …” – Blessed St. Justin of Rome or St. Justin Martyr, PRIEST, CHILIASM CHURCH FATHER, MARTYR for CHRIST, a Great Early Christian Apologist who is a Foremost Exponent of the Divine Word, who Influenced Virtually all of subsequent Christian philosophy and Catholic theology, Martyr for Christ, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church (c. 100AD – c. 160 AD, CHAPTER 139 Dialogue with Trypho)

Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/01289.htm

Note: St. Justin of Rome and other CHILIASM Church Fathers such as St. Irenaeus of Lyons do NOT have any prayers to Virgin Mary NOR saints etc. proving they are preserved as it is.

“… knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation …” (2 Peter 1:20, NKJV)

3) Bible already said NO part of ABRAHAMIC PROMISE of PROSPERITY is attained by ANY CHRISTIAN in FAITH in “this life” as PROPSPERITY GOSPEL ERRS in this Verse:

“… These ALL DIED in FAITH, NOT HAVING RECEIVED the PROMISES, but having seen them afar off were assured of them, embraced them and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. …” (Hebrews 11:13, NKJV)

[From Page 274 onward of the #ChiliasmBook], St. Irenaeus of Lyons says this SAME MEANING:

“… 3. The blessing of Isaac with which he blessed his younger son Jacob has the same meaning, … And let the nations serve you, and kings bow down to you; and be lord over your brother, and your father’s sons shall bow down to you: CURSED SHALL BE HE WHO SHALL CURSE THEE, and BLESSED SHALL BE HE WHO SHALL BLESS THEE .” [Genesis 12:3] If any one, then, DOES NOT ACCEPT THESE THINGS AS REFERRING TO THE APPOINTED KINGDOM, he must fall into much CONTRADICTION and CONTRARIETY, as is the CASE WITH THE JEWS, who are INVOLVED IN ABSOLUTE PERPLEXITY. … The PREDICTED BLESSING, therefore, BELONGS UNQUESTIONABLY TO THE TIMES OF THE KINGDOM, when the righteous shall bear rule UPON THEIR RISING FROM THE DEAD; when also the creation, having been renovated and set free, shall fructify with an abundance of all kinds of food, from the dew of heaven, and from the fertility of the earth: as the ELDERS WHO SAW JOHN, the DISCIPLE OF THE LORD, related that they had heard from him how THE LORD USED TO TEACH in regard to these times, and say…”– Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, CHILIASM Church Father, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, ‘Against Heresies’, Book 5, Chapter 33 (XXXIII), Points 3)

Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103533.htm

Slide 20 in Founders Powerpoint – Prophets & Apostles have ZERO Prophecy ERRORS.

In short, Martin Luther (First Protestant) did NOT teach pre-trib rapture NOR Church attendance as context of Matthew 25:1 – 13’s Parable of 5 Wise and 5 Foolish Virgins but rather only FAITH (Holiness increases with more accurate faith) and CHARITY DOCTRINE of HELP YOUR NEIGHBOR (spiritual and physical goods shared for FREE) which agrees with St. Justin and St. Irenaeous’ quotes in essence here & elsewhere as PROPER DOCTRINE OF FRUITS.

Comment: If holiness alone was enough Christ would not have asked the rich man to sell what he has and GIVE to THE POOR (“Charity Doctrine” part) for ENTERING KINGDOM of HEAVEN CONTEXT (Matthew 19:21 – 30). The level we do it will determine overall heavenly ranking and reward for sure as CHRIST used the phrase “first will be last and last will be first based on these details only” & neither is SKIPPED by CHRIST so we preach both HOLINESS + CHARITY DOCTINE as shown in SLIDE for LIFE or SLIDE 286 in the other Powerpoint earlier.

Notice Word “Philanthropy” below which refers to CHARITY DOCTRINE:

“… But we have received by tradition that God does not need the material offerings which men can give, seeing, indeed, that He Himself is the provider of all things. And we have been taught, and are convinced, and do believe, that He accepts those only who imitate the excellences which reside in Him, temperance, and justice, and philanthropy, and as many virtues as are peculiar to a God who is called by no proper name. And we have been taught that He in the beginning did of His goodness, for man’s sake, create all things out of unformed matter; and if men by their works show themselves worthy of this His design, they are deemed worthy, and so we have received — of reigning in company with Him, being delivered from corruption and suffering. …” – Blessed St. Justin of Rome or St. Justin Martyr, PRIEST, CHILIASM CHURCH FATHER, MARTYR for CHRIST, a Great Early Christian Apologist who is a Foremost Exponent of the Divine Word, who Influenced Virtually all of subsequent Christian philosophy and Catholic theology, Martyr for Christ, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church (c. 100AD – c. 160 AD, The First Apology, Chapter 10. How God is to be served)

Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0126.htm

[From Page 27/407 onward of the #DoctrineBook]

“… Therefore, let each one see to it that he has these two together: the OIL, which is TRUE FAITH and trust in Christ; and the LAMPS, the VESSEL, which is the OUTWARD SERVICE TOWARD YOUR NEIGHBOR. The WHOLE CHRISTIAN LIFE CONSISTS in THESE TWO THINGS things: BELIEVE GOD. HELP YOUR NEIGHBOR. The WHOLE GOSPEL TEACHES this. PARENTS should TELL IT TO THEIR CHILDREN at HOME and EVERYWHERE. Children, too, should CONSTANTLY FOSTER THIS WORD AMONG THEMSELVES. I should really say something about the sleep of the virgins and about the setting out of the Bridegroom for the wedding. But the hour is late. Another time. May God be gracious to us! Amen. …”- The First Champion of the Protestant Faith, Blessed Martin Luther’s Sermon which was translated in 2013 by the Rev. Paul A. Rydecki, On Faith and Good Works, Preached in Erfurt at St. Michaeliskirche on the Day of the 11,000 Virgins (October 21st), 1522

Source: http://www.godwithuslc.org/luther-sermon-for-trinity-27/

[Please see Page 526 onward of the #ChiliasmBook for St. Irenaeus of Lyons’ quote].

Slide 21 in Founders Powerpoint – CHRIST Taught the “Reason” for Charity Doctrine as PURIFICATION is MORE important than even TITHES in Luke 11:39 – 45 and CHILIASM Church Father Tertullian explains here & that the CONTEXT for the famous Verse “GOD desires Mercy and NOT sacrifice” is CHARITY DOCTRINE is MERCY while TITHES is SACRIFICE.” We teach the same. Who is the “false teacher” then?

“…45844584 Circumferret. Jesus also interpreted the law to him when He told him that they “made clean the outside of the cup and the platter, whereas their inward part was full of ravening and wickedness.” This He said, to signify that by the cleansing of vessels was to be understood before God the purification of men, inasmuch as it was about a man, and not about an unwashed vessel, that even this Pharisee had been treating in His presence. He therefore said: “You wash the outside of the cup,” that is, the flesh, “but you do not cleanse your inside part,”45854585 Luke xi. 39. that is, the soul; adding: “Did not He that made the outside,” that is, the flesh, “also make the inward part,” that is to say, the soul?—by which assertion He expressly declared that to the same God belongs the cleansing of a man’s external and internal nature, both alike being in the power of Him who prefers mercy not only to man’s washing,45864586 Lavacro. but even to sacrifice.45874587 Matt. ix. 13, xii. 7; comp. Hos. viii. 6. For He subjoins the command: “Give what ye possess as alms, and all things shall be clean unto you.”45884588 Luke xi. 41. Even if another god could have enjoined mercy, he could not have done so previous to his becoming known. Furthermore, it is in this passage evident that they45894589 The Pharisees and lawyers. were not reproved concerning their God, but concerning a point of His instruction to them, when He prescribed to them figuratively the cleansing of their vessels, but really the works of merciful dispositions. In like manner, He upbraids them for tithing paltry herbs,45904590 Holuscula. but at the same time “passing over hospitality45914591 Marcion’s gospel had κλῆσιν (vocationem, perhaps a general word for hospitality) instead of κρίσιν, judgment,—a quality which M. did not allow in his god. See Epiphanius, Hæres. xlii., Schol. 26 (Oehler and Fr. Junius). and the love of God.”45924592 Luke xi. 42. … For how could He have felt aversion to the law, who used with so much earnestness to upbraid them for passing over its weightier matters, alms—giving, hospitality,4604 and the love of God? Nor, indeed, was it only these great things (which He recognized), but even4605 the tithes of rue and the cleansing of cups. But, 395in truth, He would rather have deemed them excusable for being unable to carry burdens which could not be borne. …” – Blessed Tertullian, Father of Latin Christianity, Founder of Western Theological Scholarship, CHILIASM CHURCH FATHER (c. 155 AD – c. 240 AD, 5 Books against Marcion, Book IV, Chapter XXVII (27))

Source: https://ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf03.v.iv.v.xxvii.html

Slide 22 in Founders Powerpoint – Context for “TILL LAST PENNY” Judgment Bible Verses seems strong for HADES CONTEXT by CHILIASM Church Father Tertullian explains here for “fallen Christians only” (compare with discussion in Slides 9, 10, 18 earlier).

But since Tertullian views “Shepherd of Hermas as Scripture” [in Page 115 onward of the #ChiliasmBook] a key point of difference or contention can be seen [From Page 155 onward of the #ChiliasmBook] where the “Shepherd of Hermas” has “another Salvation outside the [Elect] Tower” can mean “NON-ELECT SALVATION as it refers to REJECTED STONES including even UNBAPTIZED etc.” (parabolically “rejected” from Elect/Bride Kingdom of Heaven Salvation via Marriage of Lamb, Revelation 21:9) on final new earth but not entering heaven? (Revelation 21: 24 – 27, not sure but possible). I present the evidence honestly so no condemnation since both views shown.

Compare below joined quotes; If either of these quotes are right, how many TRUE PROPHETS are there who are right on these parts too?

“… and lest this Judge deliver you over to the angel who is to execute the sentence, and he commit you to the prison of hell, out of which there will be no dismissal until the smallest even of your delinquencies be paid off in the period before the resurrection.1735] What can be a more fitting sense than this? What a truer interpretation? … In short, inasmuch as we understand “the prison” pointed out in the Gospel to be Hades,18421842 Matt. v. 25. and as we also interpret “the uttermost farthing”18431843 Ver. 26. to mean the very smallest offence which has to be recompensed there before the resurrection,1844 no one will hesitate to believe that the soul undergoes in Hades some compensatory discipline, without prejudice to the full process of the resurrection, when the recompense will be administered through the flesh besides. … It is the transformation these shall undergo which he explains to the Corinthians, when he writes: “We shall all indeed rise again (though we shall not all undergo the transformation) in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump”—for none shall experience this change but those only who shall be found in the flesh. “And the dead,” he says, “shall be raised, and we shall be changed.” … in such a way that mortality may be swallowed up of life, that is, by putting on over us whilst we are transformed that vestiture which is from heaven. …” – Blessed Tertullian, Father of Latin Christianity, Founder of Western Theological Scholarship, CHILIASM CHURCH FATHER (c. 155 AD – c. 240 AD, A Treatise on the Soul, Chapter XXXV (35), Chapter LVIII (58), Anti-Marcion, On the Resurrection of the Flesh Chapter XLII (42))

Source 1: https://ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf03.iv.xi.xxxv.html
Source 2: https://ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf03.iv.xi.lviii.html
Source 3: https://ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf03.v.viii.xlii.html

[From Page 155 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]

“… Do you wish to know who are the others which fell near the waters, but could not be rolled into them? THESE ARE THEY WHO HAVE HEARD THE WORD, and WISH TO BE BAPTIZED in the name of the Lord; but when the chastity demanded by the truth comes into their recollection, they draw back, and AGAIN WALK AFTER THEIR OWN WICKED DESIRES.” She FINISHED her EXPOSITION of the TOWER. But I, shameless as I yet was, asked her, “IS REPENTANCE POSSIBLE FOR ALL THOSE STONES WHICH HAVE BEEN CAST AWAY and DID NOT FIT INTO THE BUILDING of the TOWER, AND WILL THEY YET HAVE A PLACE IN THIS TOWER?” “REPENTANCE,” said she, “IS YET POSSIBLE, BUT IN THIS TOWER THEY CANNOT FIND A SUITABLE PLACE. But in another and MUCH INFERIOR PLACE THEY WILL BE LAID, and that, too, ONLY WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN TORTURED AND COMPLETED THE DAYS OF THEIR SINS. And on this account will they be transferred, because they have PARTAKEN of the RIGHTEOUS WORD. And then only will they be removed from their punishments when the THOUGHT of REPENTING of the evil deeds which they have done has come into their hearts. But if it does not come into their hearts, they will not be saved, on account of the hardness of their heart.” …” – Shepherd of Hermas ( (Book I), Vision 3, Concerning the Building of the Triumphant Church, and the Various Classes of Reprobate Men, Chapter 7)

Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/02011.htm

Slide 23 in Founders Powerpoint – CHILIASM PROPHECY POSSIBILITY EVIDENCE (NOT doctrine as no one can be sure 100% as it has not come to pass) but PROBABILITY is high (just look at the names quoted).

MAJORITY does NOT indicate truth nor GOD’s approval because if so then GOD allowed a “Praying to Virgin Mary Christianity to be dominant” and even “Jews of the past who preserved Scripture but do NOT even know that GOD has a SON” meaning TRUTH & ACCURACY depends on WHO we quote & I quote these EARLIEST CHILIASM CHURCH FATHERS (as no one earlier than them for these topics exist and if someone says otherwise, ask them to prove it like I did, fair, right?).

GOD will understand ERROR but LOWER REWARD if SAVED even in PROPHECY CONTEXT (Jeremiah 23:36) but if CLAIMING GOD TOLD ME DIRECTLY TYPE PROPHETS “ETERNAL (“Olam”) REPROACH / UNFORGOTTEN SHAME” awaits if WRONG (Jeremiah 23:37 – 40). Worst is, imagine OUR presentation is FREE (thanks to Roman Catholic sources too) while their PROPHECY books SOLD for money & taking SALARY etc.

CHILIASM Prophecy Timeline Order:

1) Second Coming of Christ and Post-Tribulation Rapture at start of the 1000 years Millennial Reign

[Sample Quotes by CHILIASM Church Fathers St. Justin of Rome (Slide 24), St. Irenaeus of Lyons (Slide 25), Tertullian (Slide 26) & St. Methodius of Olympus (Slide 27)]

2) First Resurrection, Marriage of the Lamb during the 1000 years Millennial Reign of Christ

[Sample Quotes by CHILIASM Church Fathers St. Justin of Rome (Slide 28), St. Papias (Slide 29), St. Irenaeus of Lyons (Slide 30, 31), Tertullian (Slide 31), St. Methodius of Olympus (Slide 32) & St. Ambrose of Milan (Slide 33)]

3) Second Resurrection and change from human to angelic at the end of this 1000 years Millennial Reign for His Bride/Elect Salvation

[Sample Quotes by CHILIASM Church Fathers St. Justin of Rome (Slide 34), St. Irenaeus of Lyons (Slide 35, 36, 37), St. Victorinus (Slide 37), Tertullian (Slide 38) & St. Methodius of Olympus (Slide 39)]

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Slide 40 in Founders Powerpoint

3) Second Resurrection and change from human to angelic at the end of this 1000 years Millennial Reign for His Bride/Elect Salvation [Sample Quotes by CHILIASM Church Father Tertullian].

Context for 1 Corinthians 15:50 – 52’s “flesh and blood cannot inherit kingdom of God” referring to “Entering heaven” only possible with “no more human but equivalent to some angelic body” and this “change” happens at end of 1000 years.

Roman Catholics assume the 1000 years is a figure of speech & think it’s happening now as a “spiritual resurrection” but this CONTRADICTS Tertullian’s quote here which clearly states Resurrection in the FLESH (or HUMAN) for 1000 years first before CHANGE to ANGELIC at “last Trumpet” at end of 1000 years.

I think Tertullian here is right & agrees with CHILIASM Fathers in earlier slides including the “Book of 1Enoch” also which uses this change word for Judgment Day only as shown in [Pages 32/228/502/598/897 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]; Note that this quote is NOT in any one of the earlier books.

Combined with Slide 38’s quote. So those saved as ONLY HUMANS (Slide 37) with St. Irenaeus’ quote or Slide 225 onward in other 290 slides powerpoint with Bible Verses such as 1 Corinthians 15:40 as even an earthly body with glory ‘cannot be unsaved’, right? (the word “glory”/splendor indicates thus these are NON ELECT SALVATION? Not sure but evidence is possible, right? You decide or ask those talking to GOD directly what HE SAYS because I DON’T KNOW like DANIEL in Daniel 12:8.)

“… Of the heavenly kingdom this is the process. After its thousand years are over, within which period is completed the resurrection of the saints, who rise sooner or later according to their deserts there will ensue the destruction of the world and the conflagration of all things at the judgment: we shall then be changed in a moment into the substance of angels, even by the investiture of an incorruptible nature, and so be removed to that kingdom in heaven …Not that we indeed claim the kingdom of God for the flesh: all we do is, to assert a resurrection for the substance thereof, as the gate of the kingdom through which it is entered. BUT the RESURRECTION is ONE THING, and the KINGDOM is ANOTHER. THE RESURRECTION is FIRST, and AFTERWARDS the KINGDOM. We say, therefore, THAT the FLESH RISES AGAIN, but that WHEN CHANGED it OBTAINS the KINGDOM. “For the dead shall be raised incorruptible,” even those who had been corruptible when their bodies fell into decay; “AND WE SHALL BE CHANGED, in a MOMENT, in the TWINKLING of an EYE.56685668 1 Cor. xv. 52. For this corruptible”—and as he spake, the apostle seemingly pointed to his own flesh—“must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality,”56695669 1 Cor. xv. 53. IN ORDER, INDEED, THAT IT MAY be RENDERED a FIT SUBSTANCE for the KINGDOM of GOD.FOR we SHALL be LIKE THE ANGELS.”56705670 Matt. xxii. 30 and Luke xx. 36. THIS WILL BE THE PERFECT CHANGE of OUR FLESH—ONLY AFTER ITS RESURRECTION.56715671 Sed resuscitatæ. Now if, on the contrary,56725672 Aut si. there is to be no flesh, how then shall it put on incorruption and immortality? HAVING THEN BECOME SOMETHING ELSE BY ITS CHANGE, IT WILL OBTAIN the KINGDOM of GOD, NO LONGER the (OLD) FLESH and BLOOD, but the BODY WHICH GOD SHALL HAVE GIVEN IT. Rightly then does the apostle declare, “FLESH and BLOOD CANNOT INHERIT the KINGDOM of GOD;”56735673 1 Cor. xv. 50. for this (honour) does he ascribe to the changed condition56745674 Demutationi. which ensues on the resurrection…” – Blessed Tertullian, Father of Latin Christianity, Founder of Western Theological Scholarship, CHILIASM CHURCH FATHER (c. 155 AD – c. 240 AD, Against Marcion, Book III, Chapter 25-partial & Book v (5), Chapter X(10)) Roman Catholic Source 1: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/03123.htm Source 2: https://ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf03.v.iv.vi.x.html

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LAST Slide 41 in Founders Powerpoint – What is my intention in doing these Powerpoints?

Website Link:

https://www.anonymouschristian.org/blog/chiliasm-prophecy-possibility-evidence-not-doctrine-as-no-one-can-be-sure-100-as-it-has-not-come-to-pass-but-probability-is-high-just-look-at-the-names-quoted/

1) It’s a GIFT back to GOD for all He had done for me as FRUIT of FAITH mentioned in (Hebrews 11:4 for ABEL); GIFTS (earthly or spiritual things) cannot be SOLD, MUST be FREE for OTHERS and BENEFIT others to be DONE for GOD, right? If Salary, “love offering” etc. is taken but inaccurate, LOWER REWARDS or if really WRONG REJECTED like CAIN, right? (see Slide 24 for St. Justin’s Quote allowing PROPHECY ERROR). 

2) Testimony of Lord Jesus is Spirit of Prophecy (Revelation 19:10) so though I am NOT saying I’m right 100% (I don’t know like Daniel 12:8) but Jeremiah 23:36 allows PROPHECY ERROR if OWN ORACLE mentioned (like us an attempt) but EVERLASTING SHAME if claimed “GOD told me so directly but WRONG” (Jeremiah 23:37 – 40) in comparison.


3) Greater Reward for GLORY for INSIGHT (the actual word in Daniel 12:3) as HEAVENS LEVEL than for CONVERTING MANY which is STARS LEVEL only (the actual word in Daniel 12:3) in FINAL RESURRECTION BODY when CHANGED into ANGELIC as per CHILIASM Prophecy. That’s why we take it seriously and look at the BIGGEST EARLIEST CHURCH FATHER NAMES QUOTED in earlier SLIDES. No point for Catholics, Orthodox or even Pentecostals or other Protestants to discriminate us because if YOU TURNED our RIGHT in MORE INSIGHTS (especially have you ever faced a situation where you wrote something first and many months or years later only you find a CHILIASM CHURCH FATHER quote matching it? So what are the odds it’s wrong? If wrong, how many aspects versus others? Yes PROPHETS and APOSTLES can have ZERO PROPHECY ERROR but the rest if admitting like this, NOT PRIDEFUL can have a chance at such INSIGHT GLORY of DANIEL 12:3 I believe). GOD is indeed FAIR to ALL via KNOWLEDGE which is GREATER than ANY ZEAL for GOD even (Romans 10:2) as He allowed even a “majority Prayers to Virgin Mary non-Chiliasm type Christianity” or even likewise JEWS of the PAST who didn’t KNOW GOD has a SON though were PRIESTS, PRESERVED SCRIPTURE etc. I believe strongly if your heart is more aligned to GOD, HE Will give you GREATER ACCURACY (Slide 33 earlier).

4) Remember anyone can desire to be a BISHOP (1 Timothy 3:1) and certainly are HUNDREDFOLD type reward ones where they CAN HAVE only ONE WIFE and CHILDREN even (1 Timothy 3:2 – 5) as even DEACONS too likewise (1 Timothy 3:12) meaning like in Matthew 19:29’s “leave wife” way is ONE way for HUNDREDFOLD together with LEAVE LANDS, BROTHERS etc. for GOSPEL reasons. What I am saying is even with say INACCURACIES when COMPARED with CHILIASM CHURCH FATHERS & BISHOPS/PRIESTS quotes earlier, if these can be HUNDREDFOLD, how much more those MORE ACCURATE? So I speak FAIRLY to all CHRISTIANS, right? Like TERTULLIAN was MARRIED. Peace.

Slide 42 in Founders PPT – Example of a quote I “missed” in my pdfs or books because I didn’t know the additional way of searching reference where St. John of Damascus whom I quoted say in [Page 1865 to 1866 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook] who is listed even in the Lutheran’s Book of Concord has this STRONGER NON ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY quote that “SHADOW of DEATH” can refer to PUNISHMENT REGIONS of HADES as I have shown say in [Page 194 onward of the #ChiliasmBook] and SOME may be SAVED thereafter even for “some bound for ages” first as he writes (please look carefully at these phrases below)  if GOD Wills it? Surely CANNOT enter heaven type of final new earth residents if this interpretation is true in (Revelation 21:24 – 27) as BRIDE is different in Revelation 21:9? Let GOD Decide but I present the EVIDENCE below (maybe this part of doctrine was preserved right?)

“… The soul2245 when it was deified descended into Hades, in order that, just as the Sun of Righteousness2246 rose for those upon the earth, so likewise He might bring light to those who sit under the earth in darkness 73band shadow of death2247: in order that just as He brought the message of peace to those upon the earth, and of release to the prisoners, and of sight to the blind2248, and became to those who believed the Author of everlasting salvation and to those who did not believe a reproach of their unbelief2249, so He might become the same to those in Hades2250That every knee should bow to Him, of things in heaven, and things in earth and things under the earth2251. And thus after He had freed those who had been bound for ages, straightway He rose again from the dead, shewing us the way of resurrection. …” – Blessed St. John of Damascus, the Last Father of the Church who is a revered Father of the Church, and is recognized as a saint. He is sometimes called the last of the Church Fathers by the Roman Catholic Church. In 1890 he was declared a Doctor of the Church by Pope Leo XIII, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church   (c. 675 AD – c. 749 AD), John of Damascus: Exposition of the Orthodox Faith. An Exact Exposition of the Orthodox Faith. Book III Concerning the Descent to Hades. Chapter XXIX Source via famous Professor Philip Schaff, Professor of Church History and Biblical Literature in the German Reformed Theological Seminary: https://ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf209.iii.iv.iii.xxix.html

Slide 43 in Founders PPT – BISHOPS (Example of highest HUNDREDFOLD Rewards, right? E.g. Matthew 13:8, Matthew 19:29) can MARRY and remain with ONE WIFE as per 1 Timothy 3:2 in this EARLIEST KNOWN CHURCH ORDER book + CHILIASM Church Father TERTULLIAN’s quote too (where is your MUST RENOUNCE WIFE to be PRIEST/BISHOP quote or Verse? Is it earlier than this? NO, right?);

Quoting many later ones only shows how one error can spread wide, right? The only prohibition written is that if already a bishop (presbyter or deacon) while unmarried cannot marry but can marry first and then become bishop (presbyter or deacon) and be CONTENT with that ONE WIFE meaning CAN REMAIN MARRIED. So that’s WHY I focus on a SINGLE quote but EARLIEST or of such by THOSE in AUTHORITY of DOCTRINE unless you want to say the AUTHOURS of the BOOK of Constitutions of the Holy Apostles were heretics? Silly, right? Also I do NOT see any Prayers to Virgin Mary in this same book (or other books quoted in this Powerpoint such as Shepherd of Hermas to even other CHILIASM Church Fathers & even non-CHILIASM fathers too, so how come they “missed” such a point if it was true and for salvation, right?

“… XVII. We have already said, that a bishop, a presbyter, and a deacon, when they are constituted, must be but once married, whether their wives be alive or whether they be dead; and that it is not lawful for them, if they are unmarried when they are ordained, to be married afterwards; or if they be then married, to marry a second time, but to be content with that wife which they had when they came to ordination …” – BOOK of Constitutions of the Holy Apostles (Book 6, Section 3, Chapter 17) Source: https://ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf07.ix.vii.iii.html

“… For if bishops have a law of their own teaching monogamy, the other (characteristics) likewise, which will be the fitting concomitants of monogamy, will have been written (exclusively) for bishops. With laics, however, to whom monogamy is not suitable, the other (characteristics) also have nothing to do. …” – Blessed Tertullian, Father of Latin Christianity, Founder of Western Theological Scholarship, CHILIASM CHURCH FATHER (c. 155 AD – c. 240 AD, On Monogamy, Chapter XII (12)) Source: https://ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf04.iii.vii.xii.html

I will quote this SAME BOOK of Constitutions of the Holy Apostles even from a “Roman Catholic Source” which when mentions “Virgin Mary” etc. only mentions that NO WOMEN PASTORS etc. but NO Prayers to Virgin Mary or such practices meaning it’s most likely preserved as it is & I am a “heretic” for upholding all these while you are the ‘real Bishop’ teaching AGAINST all these? “Guard” your tongue & be “wise”.

“… Such a one a bishop ought to be, who has been the “husband of one wife,“(14) who also has herself had no other husband, “ruling well his own house.”(15) In this manner let examination be made when he is to receive ordination, and to be placed in his bishopric, whether he be grave, faithful, decent; whether he hath a grave and faithful-wife, or has formerly had such a one; … … THAT WOMEN OUGHT NOT TO TEACH, BECAUSE IT IS UNSEEMLY; AND WHAT WOMEN FOLLOWED OUR LORD. VI. We do not permit our “women to teach in the Church,”(13) but only to pray and hear those that teach; for our Master and Lord, Jesus Himself, when He sent us the twelve to make disciples of the people and of the nations, did nowhere send out women to preach, although He did not want such. For there were with us the mother of our Lord and His sisters; also Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Martha and Mary the sisters of Lazarus; Salome, and certain others. For, had it been necessary for women to teach, He Himself had first commanded these also to instruct the people with us. …” – BOOK of Constitutions of the Holy Apostles (Book 2, Section 1, Chapter 2), & (Book 3, Section 1, Chapter 6), Roman Catholic Source: https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/constitutions-of-the-holy-apostles-apostolic-constitutions-books-iv-11472

Slide 44 –  in Founders PPT. Why do I quote on my website (www.AnonymousChristian.org) we pray for most men to be saved?

Maybe “few” saved by “narrow gate to life” is Elect Salvation (Matthew 7:14) while maybe CHRIST’s RANSOM for “MANY” (not few, e.g. Matthew 20:28) refers to this NON ELECT SALVATION in St. Athenagoras’ quote here? How am I a liar if I just quote possibilities based on such EVIDENCE like this? But each decide after reading both sides, right? GOD Will understand if we have EVIDENCE even if wrong, fair, right?

I base it on one of the earliest Christian apologetics writing by this great Father of the Church (just look at the date) where Blessed St. Athenagoras of Athens (not me) clearly states that MAJORITY of MEN do NOT attain to the OBJECT of GOD’s DECREES to become a CHRISTIAN, right? But yet to these FALLEN ones he seems to ascribe a “COMMON LOT SALVATION” could it be NON ELECT SALVATION as per GENERAL RESURRECTION SAVED by FIRE with NO Reward case (1 Corinthians 3:15 or Daniel 12:10 based on Slides 223 or 224 in “Redemption” 290 PPT earlier) since if these SAVED by FIRE ONES refer to CHRISTIANS DOESN’T it CONTRADICT that LOWEST CHRISTIAN gets THIRTYFOLD MINIMUM REWARD LEVEL (Matthew 13:8 vs Matthew 19:29’s HUNDREDFOLD) which is 1 Corinthians 3:14’s different REWARD CASE but the SAVED by FIRE PERSON gets NO REWARD in 1 Corinthians 3:15 so POSSIBLY some NON-CHRISTIAN as St. Athenagoras’ quote points too here or mixed even with those of till LAST PENNY JUDGEMENT types (SLIDES 9, 10, 18, 22, 30, 33 earlier in Founders PPT)?

[To quote from Page 2216 of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook ]

“… And we shall make no mistake in saying, that the final cause of an intelligent life and rational judgment, is to be occupied uninterruptedly with those objects to which the natural reason is chiefly and primaily adapted, and to delight unceasingly in the contemplation of Him who is, and of His decrees, notwithstanding that the MAJORITY OF MEN, because they are affected too passionately and too violently by things below, PASS THROUGH LIFE WITHOUT ATTAINING THIS OBJECT. For the LARGE NUMBER OF THOSE WHO FAIL OF THE END THAT BELONGS TO THEM DOES NOT MAKE VOID THE COMMON LOT, SINCE THE EXAMINATION RELATES TO INDIVIDUALS, and the REWARD or PUNISHMENT OF LIVES ILL OR WELL SPENT IS PROPORTIONED TO THE MERIT OF EACH ….” – Blessed St. Athenagoras of Athens, Apologetics Church Father, In his writings he styles himself as “Athenagoras, the Athenian, Philosopher, and Christian”, in the fragments of the Christian History of Philip of Side (c. 425). Philip of Side claims that Athenagoras headed the Catechetical School of Alexandria (which is probably incorrect and contradicted by Eusebius), Athenagoras is an Ante-Nicene Christian apologist who lived during the second half of the 2nd century (c. 133 AD – c. 190 AD, ‘On the Resurrection of the Dead’ Last Chapter 25)

Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0206.htm


The Definition from Pages 2092 and 2093 earlier may fit St. Athenagoras’ quote above as follows:

i) Elect Salvation = Christians = His Bride Saved to Inherit the Heavens with Gradations of Thirty, Sixty and Hundredfold among them where they inherit all things but have ‘specific difference in rewards too’ with Celestial (“Heavenly”) Final Resurrection Body sharing ONE FLESH with CHRIST in some way to inherit its Glory = “… and to delight unceasingly in the contemplation of Him who is, and of His decrees, … SINCE THE EXAMINATION RELATES TO INDIVIDUALS, and the REWARD or PUNISHMENT OF LIVES ILL OR WELL SPENT IS PROPORTIONED TO THE MERIT OF EACH ….” – Blessed St. Athenagoras of Athens (c. 133 AD – c. 190 AD, ‘On the Resurrection of the Dead’ )

ii) Non Elect Salvation Possibility = NOT Christ’s Bride = NOT Christians so they can be saved probably on at most the Final New Earth with gradation and rewards among them too with Final Earthly (“Terrestrial”) Resurrection Body glory only “… MAJORITY OF MEN, because they are affected too passionately and too violently by things below, PASS THROUGH LIFE WITHOUT ATTAINING THIS OBJECT. For the LARGE NUMBER OF THOSE WHO FAIL OF THE END THAT BELONGS TO THEM DOES NOT MAKE VOID THE COMMON LOT, … and the REWARD or PUNISHMENT OF LIVES ILL OR WELL SPENT IS PROPORTIONED TO THE MERIT OF EACH ….” – Blessed St. Athenagoras of Athens (c. 133 AD – c. 190 AD, ‘On the Resurrection of the Dead’)

Slide 45 – in Founders PPT – Some Scholars claim that St. Athenagoras taught “soul sleep” between now upon death and the resurrection (“soul sleep” is believed say by First Protestant Martin Luther, Tyndale, Wycliffe which I see as clearly WRONG). Truth is St. Athenagoras is only stating that the “body” is “asleep” when the “soul leaves it” and so cannot feel this tangible world as how even such Bible Verses in Ecclesiastes mean.

That quote is understood better when combined with another quote from his only other surviving writing where I combine both for ACCURATE MEANING as follows (you can read and see if I’m lying or just stating the EVIDENCE as it is here where in his second quote St. Athenagoras clearly mentions the CHILIASM Prophecy (e.g. Slide 40) lives in ANOTHER LIFE in “heavenly abodes (compare Slide 29, Revelation 21:9) & NOT earthly (meaning nations saved on final new earth in earthly body “glory” (compare Slide 40 ) could be NON-ELECT SALVATION? (Revelation 21:24 – 27) as Christians are in NOT FLESH ANYMORE but in a HEAVENLY SPIRIT FLESH (Spiritual BODY as Tertullian etc. say with 1 Cor 15:40 – 44 )” or SOME UNSAVED IN FIRE –unsaved (clear below, isn’t it?)

Note he teaches that animal souls/beasts (examples) perish & annihilated but not human-souls. Example of WHY should we read a writing in full first? Whether St. Athenagoras is right or your pastor is right is a different matter but we present it HONESTLY first.

“… because the separation of the soul from the members of the body and the dissolution of its parts interrupts the continuity of life, must we therefore despair of the resurrection. For although the relaxation of the senses and of the physical powers, which naturally takes place in sleep, seems to interrupt the sensational life when men sleep at equal intervals of time, and, as it were, come back to life again, yet we do not refuse to call it life; and for this reason, I suppose, some call sleep the brother of death, not as deriving their origin from the same ancestors and fathers, but because those who are dead and those who sleep are subject to similar states, as regards at least the stillness and the absence of all sense of the present or the past, or rather of existence itself and their own life. If, therefore, we do not refuse to call by the name of life the life of men full of such inequality from birth to dissolution, and interrupted by all those things which we have before mentioned, neither ought we to despair of the life succeeding to dissolution, such as involves the resurrection, although for a time it is interrupted by the separation of the soul from the body. … we are persuaded that when we are removed from the present life we shall live another life, better than the present one, and heavenly, not earthly (since we shall abide near God, and with God, free from all change or suffering in the soul, not as flesh, even though we shall have flesh, but as heavenly spirit), or, falling with the rest, a worse one and in fire; for God has not made us as sheep or beasts of burden, a mere by-work, and that we should perish and be annihilated. On these grounds it is not likely that we should wish to do evil, or deliver ourselves over to the great Judge to be punished. … On the contrary, it is reasonable to suppose, that those who think they shall have no account to give of the present life, ill or well spent, and that there is no resurrection, but calculate on the soul perishing with the body, and being as it were quenched in it, will refrain from no deed of daring; but as for those who are persuaded that nothing will escape the scrutiny of God, but that even the body which has ministered to the irrational impulses of the soul, and to its desires, will be punished along with it, it is not likely that they will commit even the smallest sin …” – Blessed St. Athenagoras of Athens, Apologetics Church Father, In his writings he styles himself as “Athenagoras, the Athenian, Philosopher, and Christian”, in the fragments of the Christian History of Philip of Side (c. 425). Philip of Side claims that Athenagoras headed the Catechetical School of Alexandria (which is probably incorrect and contradicted by Eusebius), Athenagoras is an Ante-Nicene Christian apologist who lived during the second half of the 2nd century (c. 133 AD – c. 190 AD), ‘On the Resurrection of the Dead’ Chapter 16) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0206.htm
and ‘A Plea for the Christians’ Chapter 31, 36) Roman Catholic Source too: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0205.htm

Slide 46 – in Founders PPT – Blessed Arnobius (died c. 330) did he preserve some knowledge of Christ which is more accurate such as Annihilation of the Wicked after some long time of punishment in that last Judgment of Fire first?

I am aware that the Catholic scholars point that “…he holds the heathen gods to be real beings, but subordinate to the supreme Christian God; the human soul is not the work of God, but of an intermediate being, and is not immortal by nature, but capable of putting on immortality as a grace. …” which IF he MEANT this is CERTAINLY WRONG.

Regardless of his own opinions this “Intermediate Hell part” he says is from “Christ’s Teaching” (learnt from others before him?) as he corrects Plato’s errors by saying those who don’t know God perish while some are DELIVERED from DEATH in that HADES INTERMEDIATE HELL Context if they have heeded GOD’s THREATS and FAVOURS which can mean NON ELECT SALVATION in Point 14 where if Christian, in Point 34 he says we escape that “death of suffering” (possibly NO intermediate Hell as ‘Purgatory’ concept errs unless PURGATORY for NON-ELECT Salvation) and Christians are ENRICHED with ETERNAL LIFE immediately upon death? Whether he is right or not that’s what he is saying here, right? So we consider it as a POSSIBILITY HONESTLY and compare with SLIDES 9, 10, 18, 22, 30, 33, 44 earlier in Founders PPT for similar thoughts? Let God Decide.


“… 14. Do you dare to laugh at us when we speak of hell, and fires which cannot be quenched, into which we have learned that souls are cast by their foes and enemies? What, does not your Plato also, … And yet his opinion is not very far from the truth. For although the gentle and kindly disposed man thought it inhuman cruelty to condemn souls to death, he yet not unreasonably supposed that they are cast into rivers blazing with masses of flame, and loathsome from their foul abysses…. For theirs is an intermediate state, as has been learned from Christ’s teaching; and they are such that they may on the one hand perish if they have not known God, and on the other be delivered from death if they have given heed to His threats and proffered favours. And to make manifest what is unknown, this is man’s real death, this which leaves nothing behind. For that which is seen by the eyes is only a separation of soul from body, not the last end — annihilation: this, I say, is man’s real death, when souls which know not God shall be consumed in long-protracted torment with raging fire, into which certain fiercely cruel beings shall cast them, who were unknown before Christ, and brought to light only by His wisdom. … 34. … and on what grounds are we charged with folly, if we bow down and worship His name and majesty from whom we expect to receive both these blessings, that we may at once escape a death of suffering, and be enriched with eternal life?….” – Blessed St. Arnobius, Apologetics Church Father, St. Jerome says, in his Chronicle, that before his conversion Arnobius was a distinguished rhetorician at Sicca in Proconsular Africa, and owed the gift of Christian faith to a dream. To overcome the doubts of the local bishop as to the earnestness of his Christian belief he wrote (about 305) an apologetic work in seven books that St. Jerome calls (Illustrious Men 79) “Adversus Gentes” but is entitled “Adversus Nationes” in the only (ninth-century) manuscript that has reached us. Arnobius is a vigorous apologist for the Christian Faith, defends and expounds its noble monotheism (deus princeps, deus summus), the Divinity of Christ and of the Christian religion, proved by its rapid diffusion, its incredible influence over uncivilized peoples, and its agreement with the views of the best philosophers (died c. 330 AD, ‘Against the Heathen (Book II [2])’ Points 14 & 34)

Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/06312.htm

Slide 47 – in Founders PPT – Blessed Arnobius (died c. 330) whom I think did not saint for some of his own opinion/errors (please see Slide 46) – but even the Roman Catholics have ONLY Blessed Arnobius’ quote for PRAYER for the DEAD part apart from CHILIASM Church Father Blessed Tertullian & unknown position of Chiliasm or not Church Father Blessed St. Cyprian during that timeline as you can see in this link: https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04653a.htm (the rest being later fathers or non-Church Fathers or anonymous authours etc.).

What’s my point? We saw in Slide 46 that Blessed Arnobius believed that Christians are “immediately at once saved” upon death (Against the Heathen, Book 2 (II), Point 34) but also wrote below in this same book of his that CHRISTIANS can PRAY for SOME of the DEAD WHO COULD be NON ELECT SALVATION? as this same Catholic source earlier quotes as follows “… Arnobius speaks of the Christian churches as “conventicles in which…peace and pardon is asked for all men…for those still living and for those already freed from the bondage of the body” (Adv. Gent., IV, xxxvi, P.L., V, 1076) …”.

Now Catholics use this quote to prove prayers for purgatory but I seem to see NON ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY stronger because his quote in Slide 46 says Christians are immediately saved and his ONLY QUOTE for POSSIBLY SOMEONE SAVED in the SPIRIT WORLD INTERMEDIATE STATE (also showed in Slide 46) seems to point to those SENT to HADES ANALOGY for PUNISHMENT as per PLATO but Arnobius says Plato errs thinking that’s final judgment in “soul state” stating there is future FINAL Judgment for such in Resurrected Body state which can lead to ETERNAL FIRE which eventually leads to annihilation BUT at the SAME TIME for those in INTERMEDIATE STATE Blessed Arnobius seems to see SOME of them SAVED or DELIVERED from DEATH so NON ELECT SALVATION?

If he did NOT see it as possible, WHY did he teach to PRAY for SOME of the DEAD since in his own words ELECT SALVATION CHRISTIANS are already IMMEDIATELY SAVED upon DEATH? Again this seems to be HONEST EVIDENCE and whether Arnobius is right or not let GOD Decide & so we take it as a NON ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY too, right?. Here’s those quotes combined: compare with SLIDES 9, 10, 18, 22, 30, 33, 44 earlier in Founders PPT for similar thoughts?

“… 14. For theirs is an intermediate state, as has been learned from Christ’s teaching; and they are such that they may on the one hand perish if they have not known God, and on the other be delivered from death if they have given heed to His threats and proffered favours. And to make manifest what is unknown, this is man’s real death, this which leaves nothing behind… . 36. … For why, indeed, have our writings deserved to be given to the flames? Our meetings to be cruelly broken up, in which prayer is made to the Supreme God, peace and pardon are asked for all in authority, for soldiers, kings, friends, enemies, for those still in life, and those freed from the bondage of the flesh; in which all that is said is such as to make men humane, gentle, modest, virtuous, chaste, generous in dealing with their substance [Charity Doctrine], and inseparably united to all embraced in our brotherhood?…” – Blessed Arnobius, Apologetics Church Father, St. Jerome says, in his Chronicle, that before his conversion Arnobius was a distinguished rhetorician at Sicca in Proconsular Africa, and owed the gift of Christian faith to a dream. To overcome the doubts of the local bishop as to the earnestness of his Christian belief he wrote (about 305) an apologetic work in seven books that St. Jerome calls (Illustrious Men 79) “Adversus Gentes” but is entitled “Adversus Nationes” in the only (ninth-century) manuscript that has reached us. Arnobius is a vigorous apologist for the Christian Faith, defends and expounds its noble monotheism (deus princeps, deus summus), the Divinity of Christ and of the Christian religion, proved by its rapid diffusion, its incredible influence over uncivilized peoples, and its agreement with the views of the best philosophers (died c. 330 AD, ‘Against the Heathen (Book II [2])’ Point 14) &(Book IV [4])’ Point 36)

Roman Catholic Sources: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/06312.htm & https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/06314.htm

Slide 48 – in Founders PPT Powerpoint – Non Elect Salvation Possibility in Roman Catholic & Orthodox Official Church Doctrinal Possibility (Grey Area); so I have stated nothing beyond the official position of the ancient churches either except bring to light those forgotten ancient writing which might help this view.

Since it’s an official grey area of these ancient churches, so we won’t go to hell if wrong on it either. If some protestants think this possibility is too heretical, then please don’t do any ministry say Charity Doctrine with Roman Catholics nor Orthodox either and not just us to be honest. We can do Charity Doctrine with “anyone” as we have no such restrictions.

Here’s example proof [From Page 229 or detailed from Page 296 (most are shocked if they read it) onward of the free pdf #LastBook]; Notice that Catholic + Orthodox still is about more than 60% of Christians even today in 2024 (how much more in earlier times). In short, in NON ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY (I coined the term, that’s the only difference) none of the possibility or wording I use is AGAINST any official Church Words as you can compare here.

So I am NOT a heretic.

If this part of Church Doctrine is preserved rightly, then a way it is possible is that the BRIDE from HEAVEN (Revelation 21:9) is CHRISTIANS (Elect Salvation, Few Matthew 7:13 – 14) while the “NATIONS who are SAVED” (Revelation 21:24 – 26) be it BY FIRE too for MANY (1 Corinthians 3:15, Daniel 12:10, Matthew 20:28) are NON-CHRISTIANS where most CANNOT enter HEAVEN (Revelation 21:27, Matthew 7:21) and this is NOT 1000 years Millennial Reign Timeline which is on OLD EARTH & OLD Heavens (Revelation 20:4 – 6) but after WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT DAY (Revelation 20:11 – 15) and on FINAL NEW EARTH and NEW HEAVENS (Revelation 21:1 – 4) as former things are gone by then. Please read earlier “Founder” & Redemption” Powerpoints for Evidence.

1) Roman Catholic Church Sample Quote

“… Church laws regarding public offices for the dead There is no restriction by Divine or ecclesiastical law as to those of the dead for whom private prayer may be offered — except that they may not be offered formally either for the blessed in heaven or for the damned. Not only for the faithful who have died in external communion with the Church, but for deceased non-Catholics, even the unbaptized, who may have died in the state of grace, one is free to offer his personal prayers and good works; nor does the Church’s prohibition of her public offices for those who have died out of external communion with her affect the strictly personal element in her minister’s acts. …”

Source: https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04653a.htm

2) Orthodox Church Sample quote

“…In our times. Professor John N. Karmiris, University of Athens, based on his studies of the Church Fathers, concludes that the salvation of non-Christians, non-Orthodox and heretics depends on the all-good, allwise and all-powerful God, who acts in the Church but also through other “ways.” God’s saving grace is also channelled outside the Church. It cannot be assumed that salvation is denied non-Christians living in true piety and according to natural law by the God who “is love” (1 John 4:8), In his justice and mercy God will judge them worthy even though they are outside the true Church.[18] This position is shared by many Orthodox who agree that God’s salvation extends to all who live according to His “image” and “participate in the Logos.” The Holy Spirit acted through the prophets of the Old Testament and in the nations. Salvation is also open outside the Church.[19] …” – An Orthodox Christian View of Non-Christian Religions (Rev. Dr. George C. Papademetriou)

Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America Source:

https://www.goarch.org/-/an-orthodox-christian-view-of-non-christian-religions

Slide 3 in Interesting Bible Stuff (IBS) Powerpoint – Great Commission – which type of Christianity fulfilled it most? – Some Christians think that their local Church must be correct or only ones saved since they are busy doing missionary work. Going by that logic, the biggest fulfillment of Great Commission is by Roman Catholics (if we count till year 2024).

Notice that Catholic + Orthodox still is about more than 60% of Christians even today in 2024 (how much more in earlier times?). Also can we apply the John 15:5 Verse and say that Roman Catholics must be most accurate then since they produced most number of converts within Christianity and so they abided in Christ? If any protestants disagree then what’s so special about say their smaller numbers or missionary works as even Roman Catholics & Orthodox too have plenty of those who “suffered & died for Christ as well as brought Gospel to new lands 1st time”, right?

Notice Pentecostals are only a part of protestants which also include classical ones who say don’t have women pastors etc.. So what I think from Church History is accuracy of doctrine declines with number as even the time of Christ shows it & I think CHILIASM Church Fathers were most accurate (details where they differ or what they meant can be debated as possibilities).

Fruit is NOT number of converts NOR Prosperity but how many commands obeyed and also how much of doctrinal accuracy even Charity Doctrine + Holiness as many Verses Testify (e.g. Matthew 5:17 – 20). NOT saved by works but gradation in heaven based on “works/His Commands” in “relative measure” example in Christ’s Parable of Minas where “different number of cities for ruling given” in Luke 19:17 – 18 (5 vs 10 etc.) Great Commission has “teach them to obey all that I commanded you” part (Matthew 28:18 – 20) so how can it change (e.g. women pastors allowed after 1900 years etc.?) End.

“… Demographics Of Christianity. Christianity, a faith that began nearly 2,000 years ago in the Middle East, is now followed by 2.4 billion people, and is the primary religion practiced throughout the Americas, Europe, Oceania and sub-Saharan Africa. Half of Christians identify as Catholic, 37 percent Protestant, 12 percent Orthodox and 1 percent “Other”. The United States is home to the largest Christian population (11.3% of the world total), followed by Brazil (8%), and Mexico (5%). …”

Source: https://populationeducation.org/world-population-by-religion-a-global-tapestry-of-faith/

Slide 50 – in Founders PPT – Powerpoint – Who is the FALSE PROPHET and FALSE TEACHER? – Blessed St. Justin of Rome clearly says here that the Context of Matthew 24:11 is that MANY (not few) of the FAITHFUL (“Christians”, not heretics) will be DECEIVED by FALSE PROPHETS & FALSE APOSTLES. Notice he still calls them “FAITHFUL” meaning they are ELECT SALVATION despite being in ERROR in PROPHECY aspect (please compare with his other quotes in Slide 24 & 41 in Founders Powerpoint).

Testimony of Lord Jesus is Spirit of Prophecy (Revelation 19:10) so though I am NOT saying I’m right 100% (I don’t know like Daniel 12:8) but Jeremiah 23:36 allows PROPHECY ERROR if OWN ORACLE mentioned (like us an attempt) but EVERLASTING SHAME if claimed “GOD told me so directly but WRONG” (Jeremiah 23:37 – 40) in comparison. Example: Say if you find a CHILIASM CHURCH FATHER quote matching it? So what are the odds it’s wrong? If wrong, how many aspects versus others? Yes PROPHETS and APOSTLES can have ZERO PROPHECY ERROR but the rest if admitting like this, NOT PRIDEFUL can have a chance at such INSIGHT GLORY of DANIEL 12:3 I believe).

I have showed clearly that NON ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY is within Catholic and Orthodox approved thoughts till today in Slide 48 of Founders Powerpoint. Example proof [From Page 229 or detailed from Page 296 (most are shocked if they read it) onward of the free pdf #LastBook].

So nothing we contemplate leads anyone to Hell if presented responsibly as a POSSIBILITY and NOT DOCTRINE on things we are NOT 100% sure and neither taking money nor putting these up for sale to prove sincerity as how can you sell something unless it must be 100% correct or if not isn’t it cheating others? That’s why PROPHECY materials should NEVER be sold since it hasn’t come to pass & cannot be known yet 100%. St. Justin of Rome’s Combined quote below shows that the FAITHFUL (Christians) have HOLINESS, JUSTICE (e.g. no racism, nepotism, etc. remember CHRIST knows) & CHARITY DOCTRINE.

“… For he said, ‘Many shall come in My name, clothed outwardly in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.’ Matthew 7:15 And, ‘There shall be schisms and heresies.’ 1 Corinthians 11:19 And, ‘Beware of false prophets, who shall come to you clothed outwardly in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.’ Matthew 7:15 And, ‘Many false Christs and false apostles shall arise, and shall deceive many of the faithful.’ Matthew 24:11 … But we have received by tradition that God does not need the material offerings which men can give, seeing, indeed, that He Himself is the provider of all things. And we have been taught, and are convinced, and do believe, that He accepts those only who imitate the excellences which reside in Him, temperance, and justice, and philanthropy, and as many virtues as are peculiar to a God who is called by no proper name. And we have been taught that He in the beginning did of His goodness, for man’s sake, create all things out of unformed matter; and if men by their works show themselves worthy of this His design, they are deemed worthy, and so we have received — of reigning in company with Him, being delivered from corruption and suffering. …” – Blessed St. Justin of Rome or St. Justin Martyr, PRIEST, CHILIASM CHURCH FATHER, MARTYR for CHRIST, a Great Early Christian Apologist who is a Foremost Exponent of the Divine Word, who Influenced Virtually all of subsequent Christian philosophy and Catholic theology Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church (c. 100AD – c. 160 AD, Dialogue with Trypho , Chapter 35) Roman Catholic Sources: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/01283.htm or https://ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.viii.iv.xxxv.html & The First Apology, Chapter 10. How God is to be served Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0126.htm

Slide 5 in Interesting Bible Stuff (IBS) Powerpoint – Preaching the Gospel is also about Preaching what Christ Said and not only preaching about Him as He famously remarks the Great Denial of NOT Entering Heaven Context as follows as “… “But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say?…” (Luke 6:46 – 49 links it to House on the Rock Context which is same for Matthew 7:21 – 27) and please notice carefully that the DENIED from HEAVEN ‘so called “Christians”’ CONVERTED MANY (notice the word “MANY”) but did so focusing on “PROPHESYING, CASTING out DEMONS & MIRACLES in HIS Name” with LAWLESSNESS. The OPPOSITE Verses about WHO gets INTO FINAL NEW HEAVEN (notice word “Heaven”) in Matthew 25:31 – 46 does NOT just mention “righteous” but also those who did CHARITY DOCTRINE of “When I was HUNGRY, THIRSTY, NAKED, HOMELESS etc.” which can refer to BOTH EARTHLY and SPIRITUAL GOODS shared for FREE in RELATIVE MEASURE. Example CHILIASM Church Father Blessed St. Justin of Rome’s quote in Last Slide 50 in Founders Powerpoint reads the SAME (note “Philanthropy” means “Charity Doctrine” there) and We PREACH the SAME and try to do any little way by GOD’s GRACE. Relative Measure means “thief on the cross” or the “poor financially NO need to do CHARITY DOCTRINE MUCH” as even Blessed Apostle St. Paul taught this COMMAND ONLY for the RICH for ETERNAL LIFE CONTEXT in 1 Timothy 6:17 – 19. End.

Slide 6 in Interesting Bible Stuff (IBS) Powerpoint – There is NO tithing NOR WOMEN Pastors taught for New Testament Churches (1900 years of Christianity before Pentecostalism is PROOF of it from CHURCH Fathers to even PROTESTANT FOUNDERS Martin Luther, John Calvin & John Wesley all NEVER TITHED NOR TAUGHT it and also NONE of these had WOMEN PASTORS so are they “unfaithful and in hell”?

So STOP PRETENDING that NO-WOMEN PASTOR and NO TITHES POSITION is FALSE unless any of your leaders have done more than ALL CHURCH FATHERS + PROTESTANT FOUNDERS quoted with Proof quotes in Page 42 & 142 onward of #DoctrineBook – In fact, CHRIST’s Verse on it in LUKE 11:39 – 44 proves CHARITY DOCTRINE is MORE IMPORTANT than TITHES (so what’s to argue anymore? Does your BIBLE read DIFFERENTLY? How?)

Best is Acts 20:7 used for TITHES support itself talks about the MONEY COLLECTED WILLINGLY (NO TITHES NOR FIRST-FRUITS “word” used can you see it?) and used for CHARITY DOCTRINE meaning CHURCH MONEY support is for ALL the SAINTS (Church Members included and NOT for PASTORS/PRIESTS only, by discretion of Bishop leadership so no funds are abused & only given to verified needs according to relative measure of income).

NOT one Bible New Testament Verse Says TITHES is for PASTORS ONLY or CHURCH MONEY is for PASTORS only (where?).

ALL earliest Church Fathers taught CHURCH MONEY for CHARITY DOCTRINE with so MANY BIBLE Verses too. Example quote here by St. Jerome (non-Chiliasm Church Father) and St. Irenaeous of Lyons (CHILIASM Church Father). GOD Will Judge & worst is “prosperity gospel” with Church Money which can lead to Hell as Church Fathers Warn too with Bible Verses (let God Decide).

Better be safe and how can one say one is “serving God” if Doctrine of Money is wrong since CHRIST Said, either one will “Serve God” or “Money” (Mammon) in Luke 16:13 meaning this is infallible proof of who serves God and not (in short, this money doctrine cannot be wrong for it implies serving mammon – who you think taught rightly as “no” tithes and “no” women pastors doctrine (e.g. all Church Fathers & Protestant Founders in Page 42 & 142 onward of #DoctrineBook who caused all missionary work in 1900 years versus some small modern evangelism Pentecostal tithers which hasn’t even beaten 60%+ of Christians being Roman Catholic + Orthodox & a portion of protestants only?).

“… I say what the blessed Apostle Paul says in nearly all his Epistles; and he makes it a rule for the Churches of the Gentiles that, on the first day of the week, that is, on the Lord’s day, contributions should be made by every one which should be sent up to Jerusalem for the relief of the saints, … that money be sent to Jerusalem and to the holy places for the faithful; not to gratify avarice, but to give relief; not to accumulate wealth, but to support the weakness of the poor body, and to stave off cold and hunger. And this custom continues in Judea to the present day, not only among us, but also among the Hebrews, so that they who49774977 Ps. i. 2.meditate in the law of the Lord, day and night, …” – Blessed St. Jerome of the Vulgate, the Second Great Latin Doctor of the Church (c. 347 AD – c. 420 AD, Jerome: Letters and Select Works Treatises. Against Vigilantius. Source: https://ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf206.vi.vii.html

[CHARITY DOCTRINE even to ENEMIES below as CHRIST Taught in Matthew 5, taught by REAL BISHOPS from Page 65/391/446 onward of the #DoctrineBook]

“… and instead of the law enjoining the giving of TITHES, [He told us] to share ALL our possessions with the POOR; and not to love our neighbours only, but even our ENEMIES; .…” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, CHILIASM Church Father (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, Against Heresies (Book IV, Chapter 13, Point 3)) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103413.htm

Slide 7 in Interesting Bible Stuff (IBS) Powerpoint – CHRIST gave FAITH reply for ETERNAL LIFE as LOVE God and LOVE your neighbour as yourself – Then CHRIST gave a STORY to ILLUSTRATE a PERSON who will ATTAIN to the FRUIT needed for ETERNAL LIFE as WORKS of FAITH to be CHARITY DOCTRINE in the #Parable of the #Good #Samaritan (Luke 10:25 – 37).

Let’s #not #Judge but rather #encourage “Charity Doctrine” of any #Christian #Denomination as personally I feel other #Theological #Errors become #small if this is #Done just like #Christ #Explained (Luke 10:25 – 37) in the #Parable of the #Good #Samaritan for “Eternal Life Context” (Luke 10:25) as “Samaritans know not God etc.” (John 4:22 as #Christ also told this) so let #GOD alone decide how far He acknowledges this.

All other ministry or things just adds to rewards but without CHARITY DOCTRINE there is NO PROOF of LOVING GOD NOR NEIGHBOUR so VOID of LOVE in ACTION leads to HELL for GOD is LOVE (1 John 4:8). If you look carefully at ENTIRE Christian Great COMMISSION MISSIONARY History [I listed from Pages 338 onward of the #DialoguesBook], the people groups that are least reached or don’t convert or lesser converts are usually those culturally more selfish and serve money (mammon) and NOT God (Luke 16:13) proven by CHARITY DOCTRINE for FREE as CHRIST (NOT me) POINTS OUT that the SAMARITAN does it with HIS OWN MONEY/DONKEY etc. while CHRIST also mentions the PRIEST, LEVITE meaning those who live by tithes and worship GOD daily SKIPPED this and those things have NO VALUE with him WITHOUT CHARITY DOCTRINE as so clearly implied here in Luke 10:25 – 37 (i.e. not including the work for “money and self prosperity even within Christian Ministry”, no need to judge let each examine themselves for CHARITY DOCTRINE done by “RELATIVE MEASURE” toward Christians, non-Christians and even enemies as shown in Slide 6 earlier.

AGAPE or LOVE of GOD is CHARITY DOCTRINE with SPIRITUAL and EARTHLY GOODS shared FREE (not sold nor salary part) as 1 John 3:16 – 18 Reveals. Where are your verses by Christ for a CHRIST Centered Theology for ETERNAL LIFE?

Slide 8 in Interesting Bible Stuff (IBS) Powerpoint – St. Augustine of Hippo facts & possibilities

1) St. Augustine NEVER ordained women pastors/priests so some modern writers attack him as follows (but yet he is one of God’s Chosen No. 1 “faith generals” till today while his attackers are ‘nothing’ in comparison to him) and also proves that GOD can use even SUCH a MAN when he REPENTED so NO point in discriminating others with SIMILAR FALLS (maybe that’s why their opponents NEVER progress to such levels of SPIRITUAL ACCURACY)

354 – 430 AD. Born in North Africa; bishop of Hippo from 396 to his death. Note. Augustine deserves much credit as a seeker, a theologian and a writer. But honesty demands that we also acknowledge another side to him. “This Augustine who had made love to women and perhaps to men, who could not control his own sexual problems, who was constantly torn between lust and frustration, who could in all sincerity pray: ‘Give me chastity . . . . , but not yet!’ (Confessions 8,7), who only became devout after he had ravished whores to his heart’s content, when his weakness for women, as so often happens to older men in later life, turned into the opposite . . . , this Augustine created the classic patristic doctrine on sin, a morality in which especially sexual desire was condemned. Augustine has influenced Christian morality decisively, as well as the sexual frustrations of millions of Europeans unto our own day.” (K. Deschner, De Kerk en haar Kruis, Arbeiderspers, Amsterdam 1974, pp. 326-327). Source: https://womenpriests.org/tradition/august-augustine/

My personal comment: St. Augustine at most broke the 7th Commandment on adultery which is LOWER than WOMEN PASTORS (if wrong) breaking the HIGHER 3rd Commandment on taking God’s Name in Vain unless on Judgment Day God Says He Spoke from around year 1900 onward personally to some and allowed WOMEN Pastors then they will be right! So we can stand NEUTRAL and NOT participate in such RISKS and see one day.

2) One of the strangest thing about women pastor supporters is that they like to quote the “woman in the well” example whom Christ met in John 4 who told the city to come meet Christ which has nothing to do with being a pastor but women can call others tor tell about Christ for sure and they all ignore the fact that THIS WOMEN was WORSE than St. Augustine or others too because she CONTINUALLY LIVED with 5 HUSBANDS changing them living in pleasure as CHRIST pointed out as St. Irenaeous points it out below too (from Slide 255 in Founders PPT):


“… that erring Samaritan woman — who did not remain with one husband, but committed fornication by [contracting] many marriages — …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, CHILIASM Church Father (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, Against Heresies (Book 3, Chapter 17) Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103317.htm


Another comment: St. Irenaeous of Lyons and other CHILIASM Church Fathers DO NOT have any such falls like St. Augustine etc. and were much HOLIER men. So they too did NOT believe in any WOMEN PASTORS either and they COULD be MORE ACCURATE in CHILIASM Prophecy timeline POSSIBILITY as I showed in Founders Powerpoint (unless I’m reading them wrong which we can discuss or debate, fair, right?)

Slide 9 in Interesting Bible Stuff (IBS) Powerpoint – St. Augustine of Hippo facts & possibilities – Part 2 of 2 – Believing in OSAS to NON ELECT SALVATION of even UNIVERSALISM in CHRISTIAN FAITH does NOT lead anyone to HELL for if so, St. Augustine ALLOWED it in his quote in image meaning he led PEOPLE to ETERNAL HELL, right?

Where St. Augustine affirms SALVATION is for those who BELIEVE & DO in CHRIST’s CHARITY DOCTRINE COMMANDS too as CORE DOCTRINE while discussing this in same quote CONTEXT but WARNS PURGATORY for those who did NOT do ENOUGH CHARITY DOCTRINE as meaning of SAVED by FIRE in his own words here as how can one believe in Christ and ignore God’s Charity Doctrine Commands by Relative Measure unless one is unable to do due to circumstances and on Judgment Day is among least who received such helps as it is Written in Matthew 25, right? (example: see Slides 5 to 7 earlier) ;

Better to be “saved” among the “few”, right? (Matthew 7:13 – 14) which includes St. Augustine, right? So how am I a false teacher if whatever I taught and quoted even as a POSSIBILITY is within St. Augustine of Hippo one of the most SPIRIT FILLED man? [From Page 222 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]

Please notice carefully that St. Augustine believed in the CHARITY DOCTRINE as a MUST FOR REPENTANCE and ALSO FOR JUDGMENT of SINS to be REMOVED by Relative Measure in his quote here as he contrasts some type of Salvation (possibly non-Elect) is believed by such OSAS Christians who can be saved if they personally LIVED HOLY with CHARITY DOCTRINE even if they erred doctrinally on OSAS and/or NON-ELECT SALVATION.

“… 67. There are SOME, indeed, WHO BELIEVE THAT THOSE WHO DO NOT ABANDON the NAME OF CHRIST, and WHO ARE BAPTIZED in his laver in the Church, who are NOT CUT OFF FROM IT BY SCHISM or HERESY, WHO MAY THEN LIVE IN SINS HOWEVER GREAT, NOT WASHING THEM AWAY BY REPENTANCE, NOR REDEEMING THEM BY ALMS –and WHO OBTINATELY PERSEVERE IN THEM TO LIFE’S LAST DAY – EVEN THESE WILL STILL BE SAVED, “THOUGH AS BY FIRE.” [1 Corinthians 3:15] THEY BELIEVE THAT SUCH PEOPLE WILL BE PUNISHED BY FIRE, PROLONGED IN PROPORTION TO THEIR SINS, BUT STILL NOT ETERNAL. BUT THOSE WHO BELIEVE THUS, and are STILL CATHOLICS, ARE DECEIVED … Yet even in his wrath–his wrath resting on them–he does not “shut up his mercy.” This is not to put an end to their eternal afflictions, but rather to apply or interpose some little respite in their torments. … Now, if this wrath were all there is in man’s damnation, and even if it were present only in the slightest degree conceivable–still, to be lost out of the Kingdom of God, to be an exile from the City of God, to be estranged from the life of God, to suffer loss of the great abundance of God’s blessings which he has hidden for those who fear him and prepared for those who hope in him240 –this would be a punishment so great that, if it be eternal, no torments that we know could be compared to it, no matter how many ages they continued. …” – Blessed St. Augustine of Hippo, Doctor of the Church, who influenced virtually all of subsequent Western philosophy and Catholic theology, as well as a significant amount of Protestant theology (c. 354 AD – c. 430 AD, Point 67, 69 CHAPTER XVIII, Points 112 – 113, CHAPTER XXIX. “The Last Things”, Enchiridion).

Source: http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/augustine_enchiridion_02_trans.htm

My new added comment: Some may be saved in that final new earth as nations who are saved (Revelation 21:24 – 27) but may never enter heaven as His Bride as contrasted in Revelation 21:9. Which interpretation is right? Let God Decide but if we present “evidence” honestly even with St. Augustine of Hippo (considered No. 1 theologian of Christianity after the Apostles’ time in terms of popularity, missions & doctrinal impact and even due to endorsements by “holiest & faithful priests/men/women etc,across the Roman Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants even, so nothing we contemplate as a POSSIBILITY (not doctrine as not 100% sure) ever LEADS anyone to HELL if shared this way with respect & love.

Slide 10 in Interesting Bible Stuff (IBS) Powerpoint – You point to a man who was once an ADULTERER (e.g. St. Augustine of Hippo or Blessed legendary King David of Israel himself) but THEY REPENTED. Now these same “Prosperity Gospel” persons think they have heart & trying to SAVE SOULS from HELL which is TRUE, have they PREACHED to you say 1 Timothy 5:6 and James 5:3 – 5 as I have shown in “Redemption Powerpoint” Slide 287?

The “widow” even in 1 Timothy 5:6 is mentioned to be DEAD based on PROSPERITY SIN alone as ORIGINAL WORD here means “MONEY CONTEXT & NOT lust but translated as ‘wanton/pleasure’ because no exact equivalent word exists in English. Can you see the ORIGINAL meaning?

James 5:3 – 5 mentions SIN of HOARDING TREASURE (“Money”) in LAST DAYS as equivalent to FLESH eaten by FIRE on JUDGMENT DAY (don’t mix other sins mentioned separately such as not paying wages of workers to God’s Level of ‘what would you pay yourself if you were that unfortunate race etc.’ but same skill level?’) meaning SIN of HOARDING alone leads to HELL in the LAST DAYS meaning Abraham time or Old Testament time NOT a SIN yet JUST like can have MANY WIVES too (this phrase “LAST DAYS” [New Testament Times now] in James 5:3) – Have we preached it or manipulated it?

Can hoard if CHARITY DOCTRINE level HIGH (1 Timothy 6:17 – 18). St. Augustine of Hippo mentions some could be SAVED by PURGATORY FIRE in Slide 9 IBS earlier echoes Shepherd of Hermas’ some to “corruption but hope of renewal” as possible NON Elect Salvation (Slides 286 – 287 in Redemption PPT and Slide 22 in Founders PPT) outside final Heaven (not His Bride/Church, Revelation 21:9) possibly on final new earth (Revelation 21:24 – 27) at most.

Regardless of the “NON Elect Salvation possibility part”, doesn’t the PROSPERITY GOSPEL part leads SOULS to HELL while some to LOSS of REWARDS based on BIBLE VERSES quoted UNLESS that same RICH PERSON is expected to be RICH-LEVEL CHARITY DOCTRINE GOOD WORKS (not normal once in a while level but if POORER & DISCRIMINATED than you person does it, isn’t it OVER-FULFILLING this VERSE) as even Apostle St. Paul taught for ETERNAL LIFE in 1 Timothy 6:17 – 18 as per Slides 5 to 7 in IBS earlier?

Which part of these makes me a FALSE TEACHER? If your PASTOR/PRIEST did NOT teach you or your families these Verses while TAKING SALARY and LOVE OFFERING etc. from you, shouldn’t you be angry with them (now you understand me)? Peace to you

Slide 11 in Interesting Bible Stuff (IBS) Powerpoint – When people ask me whether which side of war for Country A vs Country B are you on, I tell them neither as per Micah 3:5, 9 – 10 which identifies “false prophets” based on this “doctrinal” trait alone & Blessed St. Irenaeous & Tertullian’s beautiful CHILIASM answer or others in quote in image below and also reply that USUALLY BOTH COUNTRY A and COUNTRY B are NOT Christians so how is it CHRIST’s Fault in any way?

Their own beliefs and interpretations cause it as shown [From Page 375 onward of the #LastBook] (even misguided Christians join in too sometimes; all will be judged by GOD One Day).

Many err in thinking wrongly about “God’s Will” this way: For example some think without say “Crusades war/Praying to Virgin Mary” to “women pastors” the Gospel would not have been preached/spread.

Truth is, 1900 years of Christianity spread without a woman pastor & even in modern Christianity now, 60% (Catholic + Orthodox) + a part of Protestants (40%) also DO NOT have women pastors so evangelism is MORE without them and similarly CHRISTIANITY spread across ROMAN empire WITHOUT ONE WAR despite Christians being KILLED until Emperor CONSTANTINE converted proving New Testament BIBLE Way CAN CONVERT people regardless.

So showing some end result does NOT justify the means and our NEW TESTAMENT BIBLE way has no condemnation while theirs GOD WILL JUDGE can or not. Peace

“Learn about the incorruptible King, and know his heroes who never inflict slaughter on the peoples.”
— Pseudo-Justinian (180AD)2

“We have learned not to return blow for blow, nor to go to law with those who plunder and rob us. Instead, even to those who strike us on one side of the face, we offer the other side also.”
— Athenagoras (175AD)4

“We have rejected such spectacles as the Coliseum. How then, when we do not even look on killing lest we should contract guilt and pollution, can we put people to death?
— Athenagoras of Athens (133AD – 190AD)5

“It is absolutely forbidden to repay evil with evil.”
— Tertullian (160AD – 220AD)6

“For what difference is there between provoker and provoked? The only difference is that the former was the first to do evil, but the latter did evil afterwards. Each one stands condemned in the eyes of the Lord for hurting a man. For God both prohibits and condemns every wickedness. In evil doing, there is no account taken of the order.… The commandment is absolute: evil is not to be repaid with evil.” — Tertullian (160AD – 220AD)9

“The Lord will save them in that day—even His people—like sheep.No one gives the name of “sheep” to those who fall in battle with arms in hand, or those who are killed when repelling force with force. Rather, it is given only to those who are slain, yielding themselves up in their own place of duty and with patience—rather than fighting in self-defense.” — Tertullian (160AD – 220AD)15

“But if the law of liberty, that is, the word of God, preached by the apostles (who went forth from Jerusalem) throughout all the earth, caused such a change in the state of things, that these nations did form the swords and war-lances into ploughshares, and changed them into pruning-hooks for reaping the corn, that is, into instruments used for peaceful purposes, and that they are now unaccustomed to fighting, but when smitten, offer also the other cheek, then the prophets have not spoken these things of any other person, but of Him who effected them. This person is our Lord.”
— Irenaeus (130AD – 202AD)28

Source: https://www.rivalnations.org/early-church-writers/

Slide 14 in Interesting Bible Stuff (IBS) Powerpoint – Can Christians be a “Soldier or Police”? Can they “kill” if need arises to protect?

Example question: Has anybody have the right to take someone’s life when they see the person is suffering due to extreme injuries, comatose, or bed ridden and such, just to ease their suffering. What does the bible say?

Example reply: Oh nobody has right to take anyone’s life for those reasons. In the New Testament only policing type of force can kill as Romans 13:4 teaches. Notice that those days there is no difference between “police vs military” but one has to ensure the person killed (if necessary) was truly evil for if not, judgment of being a murderer can ensue. But didn’t I say in Slide 11 that Christians are prohibited from force? Yes that’s referring to generally but only for this case mentioned here is allowed as I quote the SAME CHILIASM CHURCH FATHERS Blessed St. Irenaeus of Lyons & Tertullian as follows:

“…and therefore does He say, “He sent His armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.”43824382 Matt. xxii. 7. He says here, “His armies,” because all men are the property of God. For “the earth is the Lord’s, and the fulness thereof; the world, and all that dwell therein.”43834383 Ps. xxiv. 1. Wherefore also the Apostle Paul says in the Epistle to the Romans, “…. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, the avenger for wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. … Paul the apostle also says upon this same subject: “Be ye subject to all the higher powers; for there is no power but of God: now those which are have been ordained of God.”46574657 Rom. xiii. 1. And again, in reference to them he says, “For he beareth not the sword in vain; for he is the minister of God, the avenger for wrath to him who does evil.”46584658 Rom. xiii. 4. Now, that he spake these words, not in regard to angelical powers, nor of invisible rulers— as some venture to expound the passage—but of those of actual human authorities, [he shows when] he says, “For this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God’s ministers, doing service for this very thing.”46594659 Rom. xiii. 6. …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, CHILIASM Church Father (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, Against Heresies: Book IV, Chapter XXXVI and Book V, Chapter XXIV.) Sources: https://ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.ix.vi.xxxvii.html and https://ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.ix.vii.xxv.html

“… The vengeance which is inflicted among men upon the homicide is really as great as that which is imposed by nature. Who would not prefer the justice of the world, which, as the apostle himself testifies, “beareth not the sword in vain,”17231723 Rom. xiii. 4. and which is an institute of religion when it severely avenges in defence of human life? When we contemplate, too, the penalties awarded to other crimes—gibbets, and holocausts, and sacks, and harpoons, and precipices—who would not think it better to receive his sentence in the courts of Pythagoras and Empedocles? …” – Blessed Tertullian, Father of Latin Christianity, Founder of Western Theological Scholarship, CHILIASM CHURCH FATHER (c. 155 AD – c. 240 AD), Apologetic. A Treatise on the Soul. The Judicial Retribution of These Migrations Refuted with Raillery. Chapter XXXIII, Source: https://ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf03.iv.xi.xxxiii.html

Slide 12 in Interesting Bible Stuff (IBS) Powerpoint – John Wesley was the Last MAJOR Protestant Founder & he, Martin Luther, John Calvin all HAVE the HOLY SPIRIT and taught the SAME in this NO WOMEN PASTOR DOCTRINE like ALL CHURCH FATHERS as well (actual BIGGEST SOUL WINNERS of all time listed, see?).

Today they sit on LUTHERAN, METHODIST “chairs” and appoint women pastors betraying (disobeying) their own FOUNDERS and then ask me to obey their leadership? (see the irony?)

What does the BIBLE Say? Can 1 Timothy 2:12 be skipped from 1900’s? Also if that Verse talks only about husband, so a ‘woman pastor’ cannot teach her husband but can teach any other man? Wouldn’t God have allowed women to teach her husband first before He allows her to teach other men? That’s WHY NO Founders dared rewrite this part until PENTECOSTALISM arrived. Now you see WHY I don’t risk myself with all these as New Testament way is 100% approved (safe).

[From Page 147, 151, 153 onward of the #DoctrineBook]

3) John Wesley (Co-Founder of Methodism)

“… 32: For the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets – But what enthusiast considers this? The impulses of the Holy Spirit, even in men really inspired, so suit themselves to their rational faculties, as not to divest them of the government of themselves, like the heathen priests under their diabolical possession. Evil spirits threw their prophets into such ungovernable ecstasies, as forced them to speak and act like madmen. But the Spirit of God left his prophets the clear use of their judgment, when, and how long, it was fit for them to speak, and never hurried them into any improprieties either as to the matter, manner, or time of their speaking. 34: Let your women be silent in the churches – Unless they are under an extraordinary impulse of the Spirit. For, in other cases, it is not permitted them to speak By way of teaching in public assemblies. But to be in subjection – To the man whose proper office it is to lead and to instruct the congregation.(Ge 3:16). 35: And even if they desire to learn anything – Still they are not to speak in public, but to ask their own husbands at home – That is the place, and those the persons to inquire of. 36: Are ye of Corinth either the first or the only Christians? If not, conform herein to the custom of all the churches. 37: Or spiritual – Endowed with any extraordinary gift of the Spirit. Let him – Prove it, by acknowledging that I now write by the Spirit. 38: Let him be ignorant – Be it at his own peril. …” – Blessed John Wesley (Co-Founder of Methodism, Wesley’s Notes on the Bible, on 1 Corinthians 14)

Source: http://bible.christiansunite.com/wes.cgi?b=1Co&c=14

“… Methodist founder John Wesley (1703–1791) and Methodist theologian Adam Clarke (1762–1832) both upheld male headship, but allowed that spiritual Christian women could publicly speak in church meetings if they “are under an extraordinary impulse of the Spirit” (Wesley),[38] and that such were to obey that influence, and that “the apostle lays down directions in chap. 11 for regulating her personal appearance when thus employed.” (Clarke)[39] Puritan theologian Matthew Poole (1624–1679) concurred with Wesley, adding, “But setting aside that extraordinary case of a special afflatus, [strong Divine influence] it was, doubtless, unlawful for a woman to speak in the church.”[40]. Matthew Henry (1662–1714) in his commentary, entertains allowing “praying, and uttering hymns inspired” by women, as such “were not teaching”.[41] …”

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Church_history

What does the BIBLE Say?

Part of WOMEN to be SAVED DOCTRINE in 1 Timothy lists this CONDITION of NOT HAVING WOMEN PASTORS as part of GODLINESS DOCTRINE as follows (Bible Verses not opinions):

“… 9in like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and [e]moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing, 10but, which is proper for WOMEN PROFESSING GODLINESS, WITH GOOD WORKS. 11Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. 12And I DO NOT PERMIT A WOMAN to TEACH OR TO HAVE AUTHORITY OVER A MAN, but TO BE IN SILENCE. 13For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. 15Nevertheless SHE WILL BE SAVED IN CHILDBEARING if they continue in FAITH, LOVE, AND HOLINESS, WITH SELF-CONTROL. …” (1 Timothy 2:9 – 15, NKJV)

I repeat: Can Verse 12 be skipped from 1900’s? Also if that Verse talks only about husband, so a ‘woman pastor’ cannot teach her husband but can teach any other man? Wouldn’t God have allowed women to teach her husband first before He allows her to teach other men? That’s WHY NO Founders dared rewrite this part until PENTECOSTALISM arrived. Now you see WHY I don’t risk myself with all these as New Testament way is 100% approved (safe).

Slide 13 in Interesting Bible Stuff (IBS) Powerpoint – APOSTLES & PROPHETS have ZERO Prophecy error (Deuteronomy 18:22) and ‘claiming God told directly and WRONG has ETERNAL Shame/rejection (Jeremiah 23:37 – 40) while claiming OWN ORACLE/PROPHECY attempt is OKAY if WRONG (Jeremiah 23:36). Doctrinal Aspect (each page number stated is from free pdf #DoctrineBook e.g. R (180) is page 180 from www.AnonymousChristian.org).

*Chiliasm Prophecy aspects (e.g. now is not 1000 years Millennial Reign of Christ, 1000 years resurrection in human body during first resurrection when Christ Returns & to be repaid before change into angelic at end of 1000 years with no more flesh and blood during Second Resurrection timelime as His Bride (Revelation 21:9) which could have non-elect salvation as nations saved but not enter final new heaven (Revelation 21:24 – 27) whom even the “Bride” (Church/Elect) calls to drink of “Water of Life” freely to those in human form on final new earth at that time (Revelation 21:6, Revelation 22:17, Isaiah 49:9 – 10) as Bride (Church) did during when it was “human form” earlier (e.g. Revelation 7:14 – 17) as no one can drink “water of life” unless in final “resurrected” human Form where “angelic or no more flesh and blood form” (1 Corinthians 15:52) and does NOT need water of life anymore since ONE FLESH WITH CHRIST GREAT MYSTERY (Ephesians 5:31 – 32) as “gods” (Psalm 82). None of reformers write this and some sketches in other fathers but ONLY EARLIEST CHILIASM CHURCH FATHERS DIRECT SPIRITUAL LINEAGE FROM APOSTLES OR ALMOST SCRIPTURE WRITINGS FROM THAT ERA SUCH AS SHEPHERD OF HERMAS OR BOOK OF 1ENOCH seem to echo some or all the above in their writings as I have shown in FREE PDFS & 3 Powerpoints with additional quotes not found in pdfs too Titled “REDEMPTION PPT”, “FOUNDERS PPT” and “IBS PPT”. Whether I am quoting “Chiliasm” Church Fathers rightly can be debated or discussed. Isn’t this how HONESTY is to be presented with PROOF? Shalom

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Christian Founders Ministry Powerpoint” which will be updated with info from time to time (beginning 9 May 2024 onward):

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1qnT4GtEV_1lUpGLZsMbCf1jRKqcRp3lL/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=117647441539375745387&rtpof=true&sd=true

Redemption290 Slides Free Powerpoint Link discussing variety of topics (Done as of April 2024):

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1C3FZh5AFL2aNDy9s7TA0TphwmF7dBbpP/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103161103828141436650&rtpof=true&sd=true

Interesting Bible Stuff Powerpoint” (IBS PPT – started 3 June 2024 onward, may be updated from time to time by God’s Grace)

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1bxOCjLTsou-Yf_gvcz2Rc_QHOk5HzHog/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=118355506267983381053&rtpof=true&sd=true

Source Post:

https://www.facebook.com/jonathan.ramachandran/posts/pfbid0AoSUWHd4cy12XhJoBUyTJsNPhZLzpTCzkNX2AeHDNVQUh2sZQvHS5FSH29vgtsvxl

TQ

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More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish so that I may gain Christ,” – Apostle Paul to the Ekklesia (called out ones) in Philippi (Philippians 3:8)

The rest have chosen to remain Anonymous as it was in History!

Jonathan Ramachandran IMO Malaysia Kajang High School

The Article above is from Kajang High School – Jonathan Ramachandran represented Malaysia for IMO (International Math Olympiad 2002) for Malaysia

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