Disproving the Soul Sleep Heresy – Irenaeous, Old Testament and the New Testament

Question

Doesn’t the Verse below Teach ‘soul sleep’?

“And Hezekiah slept with his fathers, and they buried him in the chiefest of the sepulchres of the sons of David: and all Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem did him honour at his death. And Manasseh his son reigned in his stead.” (2 Chronicles 32:33 KJV)

Reply

Body Sleeps at Death and NOT the Soul. It’s NOT my opinion as this ancient authority of Doctrine, St. Irenaeous of Lyons himself mentions (below):

“… For as, when the body is asleep and at rest,… ”

(St. Irenaeous of Lyons, ‘Against Heresies’, Book II, Chapter XXXIII.-Absurdity of the Doctrine of the Transmigration of Souls, Point 1)

Another Proof:

Soul Sleep – Irrefutable Example of Moses – Body or Soul Sleeps at Death or Both?

Question

Didn’t God tell Moses that his soul will sleep at death?

Reply

That’s Moses’ body ONLY sleeping (Deuteronomy 31:16).

Didn’t Moses appear at the transfiguration proving irrefutably that his soul or spirit is NOT sleeping (Matthew 17:3)?

Body + Soul + Spirit are distinct though there may be overlaps (1 Thessalonians 5:23).

More Details?

https://www.anonymouschristian.org/download/lost-orthodoxy-heart-of-the-gospel-by-anonymous-christian/

Edifying Comments:  SOUL SLEEP FAQ

Question 1:

Your physical body is the soul. Prove text:

“These be the sons of Leah, which she bare unto Jacob in Padan-aram, with his daughter Dinah: all the souls of his sons and his daughters were thirty and three.” (Genesis 46:15 KJV)

Reply 1:

Souls can mean when they are in the body. No contradictions here (e. g. Genesis 46:15).

Matthew 17:3, Souls or spirits —> can be out of the body upon death.

Matthew 10:28 distinctly mentions both body + soul to be destroyed at Gehenna for some disproving that “the physical body is the soul”.

Question 2:

Only the breath of life (spirit. – ruach) come back to God who gives it.

Reply 2:

Judaism’s Error: ‘Only the breath of life (spirit. – ruach) come back to God IMMEDIATELY who gives it.’

Explanation

The ‘spirit’ will RETURN to God (Ecclesiastes 12:7) but NOT IMMEDIATELY (e.g. the ‘spirits in prison’ , 1 Peter 3:18 – 20). Details in say page 91 of the Book ‘Lost Orthodoxy’.

Such ‘misguided Judaism definition of soul is FALSE’ (it is NOT a Christian definition) and Contradicts Matthew 17:3 and even Matthew 10:28.

Lord Jesus Christ Himself implied that a ‘spirit’ can exist ‘without a body’ before the ‘resurrection’ (as it is implied in Luke 24:39).

The spirit or ‘Ruach’ (Rephaim) is distinct from the Soul as even the Old Testament mentions (Page 335 from the Book ‘Lost Orthodoxy’).

I will believe St. Justin’s Definition below (ORTHODOX), to quote (from Page 389 from the ‘Lost Orthodoxy’ Book):

“The resurrection is a resurrection of the flesh which died. For the spirit dies not; the soul is in the body, and without a soul it cannot live. The body, when the soul forsakes it, is not. For
the body is the house of the soul; and the soul the house of the spirit. These three, in all those who cherish a sincere hope and unquestioning faith in God, will be saved.” – Justin
Martyr (Chapter 10 – The body saved, and will therefore rise, On the Resurrection)

It’s ok if you still believe in Soul Sleep, it’s obviously NOT the Orthodox position of Christianity.

Question 3:

Soul that sinneth shall die (Ezekiel 18:4).

Reply 3:

Soul dying is NOT the body dying. Please consider (not my opinion, Justin Martyr himself, below – quoted from Page 393 of the same book):

“But I do not say, indeed, that all souls die; for that were truly a piece of good fortune to the evil. What then? The souls of the pious remain in a better place, while those of the unjust and wicked are in a worse, waiting for the time of judgment. Thus some which have appeared worthy of God never die; but others are punished so long as God wills them to exist and to be punished.” (In the fifth chapter of his Dialogue, Justin Martyr)

Question 4:

I don’t need the explanation of any martyrs, I cling to bible alone.

Reply 4:

Luke 16:19 – 31 is sufficient then.

Question 5:

Huh that is a parable..that’s why you don’t understand. “Also, For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.” (Ecclesiastes 9:5 KJV)

Get this??

Reply 5:

Ecclesiastes 9:5 refers to not knowing what’s happening on the earth —> “under the sun” (Context).

The words describing HADES or SHEOL (afterlife) is Luke 16:19 – 31 and NOT Ecclesiastes 9:5.

It’s Literal for me with a parabolic meaning (Literal vs Allegorical meaning – both can be true for me simultaneously).

Even “if” it’s a parable, Can a parable of Christ use IMAGINARY things WHICH DOES NOT EXIST (Luke 16:19 – 31)?

It’s obvious that you’re avoiding the answer because you are WRONG. If not, answer it, let’s see.

Question 6:

When it was recorded that lazarus was a beggar?

Reply 6:

Exactly, that’s why it’s NOT the same Lazarus, haha. Gotcha! as one is a beggar while the other is NOT.

Who said to you that the Lazarus mentioned in Luke 16:19 – 31 is the same lazarus whom Jesus rose from the dead?

The Bible tells me that they are different because:

Same name, different persons because the Lazarus spoken of in Luke 16:19 – 31 was already DEAD as it is literally mentioned in Luke 16:19 – 31 being in Abraham’s Bosom when Christ Spoke it while Lazarus (Christ’s friend) was living at that time.

Now your turn, please show me how do you see both Lazarus to be the same?

Also,

Even “if” it’s a parable, Can a parable of Christ use IMAGINARY things WHICH DOES NOT EXIST (Luke 16:19 – 31)?

Question 7:

If all the unrighteous dead can flee to abraham about their case on earth who give him the authority to do such things??

Reply 7:

The Bible does NOT say that Lazarus was unrighteous but only that he is a beggar. So, “your assumption” to generalize it ‘out of context’ is redundant. Please stick to ‘Lazarus only’ mentioned in this passage and NOT ‘imagine things which are not Written’.

The dead are not ‘unconscious’. The Dead’s BODY are unconscious. Earth context —> under the sun (for entire ecclesiastes, e.g. Ecclesiastes 9:6)’. That’s the ‘body’ in silence (e.g. Psalm 115:17).

The Dead’s SOULS  are conscious —> try laughing at Matthew 17:3, 1 Samuel 28:14 – 15, or even Revelation 6:9 – 10.

What’s the Biblical Definition of Soul? No Biblical definition exists in Verses. Only Justin Martyr’s earlier is the earliest Orthodox Christian Quote.

This Question only please (instead of cut-paste UNRELATED parts) to try ‘avoid or run away’:

Even “if” it’s a parable, Can a parable of Christ use IMAGINARY things WHICH DOES NOT EXIST (Luke 16:19 – 31)?