Martin Luther (First protestant) to Shepherd of hermas – Wise vs Foolish Virgins – Charity Doctrine Faith and Holiness
Slide 278. Shepherd (Pastor) of Hermas – Mystery of the TWELVE Mountains – BEST Mountains 7, 8, 10, 12 vs worst 9th. [From Page 641 onward of the #MysteryoftheKingdomofHeavenBook].
In short, BEST Mountains (Parable) all have CHARITY DOCTRINE & Worst 9th not only ignored Charity Doctrine but also did PROSPERITY GOSPEL with GOSPEL MONEY MINISTRY COLLECTTION and BEST of all is mountain 12 which NEVER IGNORED any COMMAND of GOD including CHARITY DOCTRINE mentioned so much in other mountains here & kept holy & was clothed with INNOCENCE & can apply to anyone who puts away wickedness as it is Written here meaning there is chance for fallen too to be Greatest MOUNTAIN 12 type.
Notice 7th mountain CHARITY DOCTRINE mentioned DONE from OWN LABOUR (MONEY/POSSESSIONS/SKILL etc. and NOT from “Church Money/Ministry money/Donation Money” which 9th mountain types plundered. Can you see it?
[From Page 767/792 onward of the #ChiliasmBook] I have showed even MARTIN LUTHER (First Protestant) believed Parable of 5 Wise vs Foolish Virgins means CHARITY DOCTRINE & FAITH. So I ain’t false, right?
“… And THOSE WHO BELIEVED FROM the SEVENTH MOUNTAIN, … .and BEING CLOTHED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT of THESE VIRGINS, AND ALWAYS HAVING PITY on EVERY MAN, AND GIVING AID FROM THEIR OWN LABOUR TO EVERY MAN, WITHOUT REPROACH AND WITHOUT HESITATION. The Lord, therefore, seeing their simplicity and all their meekness, multiplied them amid the labours of their hands, and gave them grace in all their doings. And I, the angel of repentance, say to you who are such, CONTINUE TO BE SUCH AS THESE, and YOUR SEED WILL NEVER BE BLOTTED OUT; FOR THE LORD HAS MADE TRIAL OF YOU, AND INSCRIBED YOU IN THE NUMBER OF US, and THE WHOLE OF YOUR SEED WILL DWELL WITH THE SON OF GOD; FOR YE HAVE RECEIVED OF HIS SPIRIT. … And THEY WHO BELIEVED FROM THE EIGHTH MOUNTAIN, where were the many fountains, and where all the creatures of God drank of the fountains, WERE THE FOLLOWING: APOSTLES, and TEACHERS, WHO PREACHED TO THE WHOLE WORLD, and WHO TAUGHT SOLEMNLY AND PURELY THE WORD OF THE LORD, and DID NOT AT ALL FALL INTO EVIL DESIRES, but walked always in righteousness and truth, according as they had received the Holy Spirit. SUCH PERSONS, therefore, SHALL ENTER IN WITH THE ANGELS. … “And THEY WHO BELIEVED FROM THE NINTH MOUNTAIN, which was deserted, and had in it creeping things and wild beasts which destroy men, were the following: they who had the stains as servants, WHO DISCHARGED THEIR DUTY ILL, and WHO PLUNDERED WIDOWS AND ORPHANS OF THEIR LIVELIHOOD, AND GAINED POSSESSIONS FOR THEMSELVES FROM THE MINISTRY, WHICH THEY HAD RECEIVED. If, therefore, THEY REMAIN under the dominion of the SAME DESIRE, they are dead, and THERE IS NO HOPE OF LIFE FOR THEM; BUT IF THEY REPENT, and FINISH THEIR MINISTRY IN A HOLY MANNER, THEY SHALL BE ABLE TO LIVE. …. And FROM THE TENTH MOUNTAIN, where were TREES WHICH OVERSHADOWED CERTAIN SHEEP, THEY WHO BELIEVED WERE THE FOLLOWING: BISHOPS GIVEN TO HOSPITALITY, who always GLADLY RECEIVED INTO THEIR HOUSES the servants of God, without dissimulation. And the BISHOPS NEVER FAILED TO PROTECT, BY THEIR SERVICE, THE WIDOWS, and THOSE WHO WERE IN WANT, and always maintained a holy conversation. All these, accordingly, SHALL BE PROTECTED BY THE LORD FOR EVER. They who DO THESE THINGS ARE HONOURABLE BEFORE GOD, and THEIR PLACE IS ALREADY WITH THE ANGELS, if they remain to the end serving God. … “And THEY WHO BELIEVED FROM THE TWELFTH MOUNTAIN, which was white, are the following: they are as infant children, IN WHOSE HEARTS NO EVIL ORIGINATES; NOR DID THEY KNOW WHAT WICKEDNESS IS, but ALWAYS REMAINED AS CHILDREN. Such accordingly, without doubt, DWELL IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD, BECAUSE THEY DEFILED IN NOTHING THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD; but THEY REMAINED LIKE CHILDREN ALL THE DAYS OF THEIR LIFE in the SAME MIND. All of you, then, who shall remain stedfast, and BE AS CHILDREN, WITHOUT DOING EVIL, WILL BE MORE HONOURED THAN ALL WHO HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED; for all infants are honourable before God, and ARE THE FIRST PERSONS WITH HIM. BLESSED, then, are YE WHO PUT AWAY WICKEDNESS FROM YOURSELVES, and PUT ON INNOCENCE. …” – Shepherd of Hermas (Ninth Similitude, CHAPTER XXIV, , CHAPTER XXV, CHAPTER XXVI, CHAPTER XXVII, CHAPTER XXVIII)
Source: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/shepherd.html
Brief Note: Shepherd of Hermas Doctrinal Possibilities (better to be SAFE than DAMNED). Quick Recap: Please see Slide 265 earlier for how well received it was by even the GREATEST EARLIEST CHURCH FATHERS who were DISCIPLES of the DIRECT DISCIPLES of the APOSTLES too (e.g. St. Irenaeus of Lyons) & First Bibles with more quotes [From Page 61 onward of the #EternalHellAnnihilationUniversalismBook] and has possible NON ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY (in Slide 272). I present the EVIDENCE. Peace 2 u.
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Slide 276. Shepherd of Hermas – Mystery of the TWELVE Mountains – Mountain 3 sample.
Comment: A Christian who is only doing PAID WORK (“spiritual” or “secular” RISKS being these) instead of CHARITY DOCTRINE by “RELATIVE MEASURE”. BIBLE Verses in image speak the SAME. GOOD = CHARITY DOCTRINE for “FRUIT” according to Titus 3:14 and Luke 3:9 – 14 Warns “Fire” for “NO CHARITY + HOLINESS + FINANCIAL CONTENTMENT Good Works” (please see SLIDE 246 earlier too for “CONTEXT”).
[From Page 639 onward of the #MysteryoftheKingdomofHeavenBook]
“… And from THE THIRD MOUNTAIN, which had thorns and thistles, THEY WHO BELIEVED are the following. There ARE SOME OF THEM RICH, and others IMMERSED IN MUCH BUSINESS. The thistles are the rich, and the thorns are they who are immersed in much business. Those, [accordingly, who are entangled in many various kinds of business, do not ] cleave to the servants of God, but wander away, being choked by their business transactions; and the rich cleave with difficulty to the servants of God, FEARING LEST THESE SHOULD ASK SOMETHING OF THEM. Such persons, accordingly, shall have DIFFICULTY IN ENTERING THE KINGDOM OF GOD. But to all these repentance, and that speedy, is open, in order that what they did not do in former times they may make up for in these days, and DO SOME GOOD, AND THEY SHALL LIVE UNTO GOD. But if they abide in their deeds, they shall be delivered to those women, who will put them to death. …” – Shepherd of Hermas (Ninth Similitude, CHAPTER XX)
Source: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/shepherd.html
Brief Note: Shepherd of Hermas Doctrinal Possibilities (better to be SAFE than DAMNED). Quick Recap: Please see Slide 265 earlier for how well received it was by even the GREATEST EARLIEST CHURCH FATHERS who were DISCIPLES of the DIRECT DISCIPLES of the APOSTLES too (e.g. St. Irenaeus of Lyons) & First Bibles with more quotes [From Page 61 onward of the #EternalHellAnnihilationUniversalismBook] and has possible NON ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY (in Slide 272). I present the EVIDENCE. Peace 2 u.
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Slide 275 – LIVING it REAL – MERIT and RIGHTEOUSNESS
1) Do you know that CHRIST told that a SINNER (including fornication, adultery etc. mentioned or other major sins for the past of that person) can EXCEED a VIRGIN, TITHE-PAYING, FASTING, PRAYERFUL Righteous Man? Which Verses? Luke 18:10 – 14 on the condition of repentance. So, who is MORE RIGHTEOUS let GOD Decide, since only HE KNOWS especially AFTER REPENTANCE (so no point discriminating anyone from JOBS etc. based on past-sins, right?
Lest as CHRIST Warned the person who did that as he despised the other “sinner” becomes EVEN LOWER JUSTIFIED/REJECTED in Luke 18:13). Notice these are WORDS from CHRIST DIRECTLY, so are we OBEYING this WAY? We ought to speak against SIN but let people decide their own lives after that.
2) Though by God’s Grace I got perfect score at OMK 2002 in highest-high-school-sulong category but failed at IMO 2002 level, those who scored higher than me in IMO did NOT beat me (national ranking) in OMK 2002 from within same team, right? So sometimes it depends on which question too. Would you mock your own race for getting “1 mark at IMO 2002 for Malaysia too because it happened?”
[From Pages 724 onward of the #DialoguesBook] I have listed all the 1 mark contestants from other countries as well for same year IMO 2002 who were the 6 BEST in their own HOME COUNTRIES too, right? So how about those with ZERO marks in IMO 2002 (same year) with me? Would you mock them too?
If it’s a RACE/RELIGION/LANGUAGE thing, then is YOUR RACE/RELIGION/LANGUAGE among those who GOT ZERO MARKS at IMO 2002 whilst BEING BEST in THOSE COUNTRIES they REPRESENTED by MERIT via NATIONAL OLYMPIADS?
Also there are those of SAME RELIGION as me (Christians) WIN IMO with full score at IMO each year, right? So my point is DO NOT DISCRIMINATE and GIVE BEST EDUCATION JOBS to MATH OLYMPIANS in GOVERNMENT and PRIVATE SECTORS to be REAL by MERIT because that’s how GOD is.
Which part did I speak wrong here?
3) Remember SODOM because as GOD WARNED ISRAEL their SINS WERE TWICE SODOM not referring to sexual only but PROPSPERITY without SUFFICIENT CHARITY DOCTRINE?
Remember Ezekiel 16:49 – 51? So FINANCIAL SINS can make those seemingly OUTWARDLY HOLY ONES even BIGGER SINNERS as CHRIST WARNED (Luke 11:39 – 45) as explained in earlier slides (e.g. Slide 261).
Can you “see” it?
Striking those “better” (by MERIT) or “more RIGHTEOUS” (remember SODOM & finance sins too) than you in JOB/SALARY/RACIAL or other NEPOTISM DISCRIMINATIONS can cause you HELL likewise as 2 Kings 2:31 – 33 WARNED and NOTICE GOD NEVER STOPPED the INNOCENT BLOOD from DYING or SUFFERING as explained in SLIDE 271 earlier too. (Some Verses below that are quoted here in image (using “BIBLE” and not men).
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Slide 279. Shepherd of Hermas – Mystery of the TWELVE Mountains – Mountain 4
(SPIRITUAL ZOMBIES; NO CHRISTIAN can WORSHIP IDOLS etc. and here’s something interesting: The “Angel of Repentance” (if true, Slide 278 identified in 7th mountain quote) is whom GOD sent to fulfill “… Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams. …” (Acts 2:17, NKJV) in this No. 1 “Vision/Dream/Prophecy” event after the time of Apostles and see approval quote below including by St. Irenaeus of Lyons whose quote I put here to show that even the “raising the dead” type of “CHILIASM Christianity” with that LEVEL of ANOINTING of the HOLY SPIRIT person/leader like Irenaeus called the “Shepherd of Hermas” as “Scripture”.
Notice the “Angel of Repentance” NEVER once mentioned even Virgin Mary NOR any prayers to her meaning wouldn’t it be strange that ‘if repentance involved her role, then why is it NOT mentioned at all?’ as how the Roman Catholics & Orthodox err on this part. )
Say if this was a FALSE writing, and I got TRICKED. At least I can show the LORD all these EVIDENCE and then Ask for MERCY, right? If your denomination was wrong, what evidence/reason you are going to give? Can you see it? That’s what responsible preaching means. About number of converts, if you believe all Catholics & Orthodox can be wrong or damned despite all the converting many works etc. what’s so special about other protestant or Pentecostal for their errors either?
So let God decide but we need to “choose wisely” or “PREACH with EVIDENCE to be HONEST and SAFE”, fair, right?
[From Page 640 onward of the #MysteryoftheKingdomofHeavenBook]
“… And from the FOURTH MOUNTAIN, …, THEY WHO BELIEVED are the following: THE DOUBTFUL, AND THEY WHO HAVE THE Lord UPON THEIR LIPS, BUT HAVE HIM NOT IN THEIR HEART. On this account their foundations are withered, and have no strength; and their words alone live, while their works are dead. Such persons are [neither alive nor ] dead. They resemble, therefore, the waverers: for the wavering are neither withered nor green, being neither living nor dead. …, when they hear of affliction, on account of their fear, worship idols, and are ashamed of the name of their Lord. Such, then, are neither alive nor dead. But these also may yet live, if they repent quickly; and if they do not repent, they are already delivered to the women, who take away their life. …” – Shepherd of Hermas (Ninth Similitude, CHAPTER XXI) Source: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/shepherd.html
[From Page 94 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
“… Yea, moreover, as I have said, the dead even have been raised up, and remained among us for many years., … nor taking any reward Acts 8:9, 18 from them [on account of such miraculous interpositions]. For as she has received freely Matthew 10:8 from God, freely also does she minister [to others]. 5. Nor does she perform anything by means of angelic invocations, or by incantations, or by any other wicked curious art; but, directing her prayers to the Lord, who made all things, in a pure, sincere, and straightforward spirit, and calling upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, she has been accustomed to work miracles for the advantage of mankind, and not to lead them into error. …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, CHILIASM Church Father (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD , ‘Against Heresies’, (Book II, Chapter 32), Point 4, 5-partial)
Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103232.htm
Brief Note: Shepherd of Hermas Doctrinal Possibilities (better to be SAFE than DAMNED). Quick Recap: Please see Slide 265 earlier for how well received it was by even the GREATEST EARLIEST CHURCH FATHERS who were DISCIPLES of the DIRECT DISCIPLES of the APOSTLES too (e.g. St. Irenaeus of Lyons) & First Bibles with more quotes [From Page 61 onward of the #EternalHellAnnihilationUniversalismBook] and has possible NON ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY (in Slide 272). I present the EVIDENCE. Peace 2 u.
SLIDE 280 in POWERPOINT. Shepherd of Hermas – There is only one criticism frequently brought up and I present to you the refutation
1) Some claim that the “Shepherd of Hermas” teaches that the “Holy Spirit is Christ” example link and I DISAGREE STRONGLY (please read both sides):
https://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/church-fathers-shepherd-hermas/
2) For those of you not aware I have explained this some time ago say [From Page 1593 to 1630 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook] where I demonstrate clearly HOW SHAKY their “so called refutations are” because the EXACT/SIMILAR Phrase usage calling “Spirit of Christ” (before His Advent in the FLESH, so that’s why HE is the PRE-EXISTENT SPIRIT as the “Shepherd of Hermas” calls him during HIS PRE-EXISTENCE and after the FLESH, He is called as SON of GOD too as detailed below clearly meaning by CONTEXT we determine whether CHRIST or HOLY SPIRIT is referred to during such descriptions in the Bible as well [please see those pages first where I listed these, NOT empty claims] and CHRIST having SEVEN SPIRITS etc. describing an aspect of RIGHTEOUSNESS (“Virgins (parabolically) for KINGDOM of GOD SALVATION” as SHEPHERD of HERMAS calls it) say compared in pages 1598 and those before/after it onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook )
3) When your “Bible School Professor be it Catholic or Protestant etc. is refuted”, then they will claim ‘they are priests/pastor or doctrinal authority’ so I am unreliable Read for yourself below and see WHO is MORE ACCURATE (and my reply for “PHD or PROFESSORSHIP” in your BIBLE SCHOOL or PRIESTS vs PASTORS who also CONTRADICT THEMSELVES ehem ehem is this: at least the SHEPHERD of HERMAS is APPROVED by the FIRST CHURCH FATHERS to WRITE TRINITY namely Blessed St. Ireneaous of Lyons and TERTULLIAN who CALLED it SCRIPTURE with many others e.g. [Slide 265 or [From Page 61 onward of the #EternalHellAnnihilationUniversalismBook] and best is St. ATHANASIUS the GREAT (Slide 272) the CHAMPION of TRINITY APPROVED the SHEPHERD of HERMAS meaning NONE of them SAW the SHEPHERD of HERMAS teaching “Holy Spirit = Christ” but only what I SAID meaning again that your professors/ PHD/ PRIEST/ PASTOR is WRONG since GOD HIMSELF chose St. Athanasius for TRINITY Doctrine part (read history) so it cannot be he chooses a book which teaches this part wrong, right?
Your later scholars think they are smarter than earlier ones while I look for EARLIEST EVIDENCE, SEE?), to quote:
“… And why the Lord took His Son as councillor, and the glorious angels, regarding the heirship of the slave, listen. The holy, pre-existent Spirit, that created every creature, God made to dwell in flesh, which He chose…” – Shepherd of Hermas (Fifth Similitude, CHAPTER VI)
Source: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/shepherd.html
Now tell your “professor/priest/pastor or any others” who dare insult the language of Scripture, isn’t that the EXACT PHRASE found in LUKE 1:35? So the quote above can be understood either as CHRIST as PRE-EXISTENT HOLY SPIRIT becoming FLESH or the ROLE of HOLY SPIRIT in CHRIST becoming FLESH as described in “Bible” Verses below:
“… And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God. …” (Luke 1:35, NKJV)
Brief Note: Shepherd of Hermas Doctrinal Possibilities (better to be SAFE than DAMNED). Quick Recap: Please see Slide 265 earlier for how well received it was by even the GREATEST EARLIEST CHURCH FATHERS who were DISCIPLES of the DIRECT DISCIPLES of the APOSTLES too (e.g. St. Irenaeus of Lyons) & First Bibles with more quotes [From Page 61 onward of the #EternalHellAnnihilationUniversalismBook] and has possible NON ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY (in Slide 272). I present the EVIDENCE. Peace 2 u.
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Slide 281 – Are we Preaching the Gospel or Preaching ourselves? Part 1 of 2.
I am not preaching “myself” in this website ( www.AnonymousChristian.org ) though my friend who helps build it puts more of my photos/songs/story etc. by God’s Grace which I appreciate. This is proven because I am quoting “earliest” Church Fathers and Christian authorities of doctrine from some of the holiest men to ever live for Christ. So it’s not me but their quotes proving that no personal opinions are carelessly added unless it has some “possibility” based on these First Christianity quotes presented in free pdfs/books. Can you “see” it?
Link for free pdfs/books below or research done between years 2022 to 2024 (“evidences”) on various topics which is important because we cannot love God “more” unless we know more accurately about Him as the First Christians did and “Sharing the Gospel” includes “accuracy” and NOT just “preaching about Christ” but also “Preaching what Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ taught and commanded too” (such as “Chiliasm” Prophecy aspect & “Charity Doctrine + Holiness” aspect as details listed out in latest research).
Even if saved, more accurate faith/doctrine shine like heavens which is greater than simply converting many into less accurate faith/doctrine as Daniel 12:3 Prophesied. In the end, ABILITY is more IMPORTANT than AVAILABILITY as ROMANS 10:2 already REVEALED GOD’s WILL in this that “KNOWLEDGE” (i.e. ABILITY in DOCTRINAL – ACCURACY) is more important than even “ZEAL for GOD” (i.e. AVAILABILITY or simply converting for God in their own way) according to these BIBLE VERSES as IT IS WRITTEN. In short, anything which affects eternity is vital.
[From Page 346 onward of the #LastBook]; please see how St. Ireneaus quotes “Daniel 12:3’s context”.
I believe that Prophets can have ZERO PROPHECY ERROR (Deuteronomy 18:19 – 22) and are subject to NEW TESTAMENT TRADITIONS (1 Corinthians 14:37 & 32) and if one already claim that a “PROPHECY” is ONE’s OWN ORACLE/Attempt even if WRONG, GOD ALLOWS it since HIS NAME is NOT quoted as “GOD TOLD me SO TYPES which risks ‘ETERNAL/Olam’ damnation if wrong same word in Daniel 12:2 ” (Jeremiah 23:37 – 40) as GOD HIMSELF explained in Jeremiah 23:36 so our way here leads NO one to hell even if wrong in prophecy aspect, can you see it?
Also, comparing with St. Irenaeus of Lyons and St. Justin of Rome (earliest Chiliasm Church Father’s quotes whom I find most accurate & if anyone finds an error with them, let’s discuss) I keep away from much modern Christianity whose “prophecy” aspect seems to differ much to be “safe” but am willing to do “Charity Doctrine” or other parts of ministry with them if they want too (freewill choice).
Even in spiritual matters, GOD is GOD of MERIT.
Where are your Bible & Church History quotes, are they earlier?
Slide 282. One of the biggest “Prophecy” question in Christian theology is who are the MANY (not few) REJECTED by CHRIST from ENTERING HEAVEN SALVATION CONTEXT in the GREAT DENIAL of MATTHEW 7:13 – 24 based on LAWLESSNESS?
(the scariest words “… I never knew you …” Matthew 7:23 which links Luke 6:46 below and Matthew 7:21 as same context as even Matthew 7:24 – 27 & Luke 6:46 – 49 are somewhat identical). Since “… no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, …” (2 Peter 1:20, NKJV), this is about the earliest quote I know for this Verses and it seems to point to unbelief (compare that he is a CHILIASM Prophecy believer), others due to “not enough works of righteousness” (Charity Doctrine etc. as his other quotes prove too) and some Prosperity Gospel type of Christians (word “LUXURY” below) all of whom CANNOT receive the HOLY SPIRIT as St. Irenaeus himself (not me) reveals this, isn’t it?
(Note: the ‘opposite of luxury’ is ‘Charity Doctrine’ when converted to “action aspect”, right?)
[From Page 493 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
“… In like manner, too, those are unclean which have the double hoof but do not ruminate: this is plainly an indication of all heretics, and of those who do not meditate on the words of God, neither are adorned with works of righteousness; to whom also the Lord says, Why do you call Me Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say to you? Luke 6:46 For men of this stamp do indeed say that they believe in the Father and the Son, but they never meditate as they should upon the things of God, neither are they adorned with works of righteousness; but, as I have already observed, they have adopted the lives of swine and of dogs, giving themselves over to filthiness, to gluttony, and recklessness of all sorts. Justly, therefore, did the apostle call all such carnal and animal, — [all those, namely], who through their own UNBELIEF and LUXURY DO NOT RECEIVE the DIVINE SPIRIT, and in their various phases cast out from themselves the life-giving Word, and walk stupidly after their own lusts: …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, Chiliasm Church Father (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, ‘Against Heresies’, (Book 5(V), Chapter 8), Point 4)
Roman Catholic Source:
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103508.htm
Say if this was a FALSE writing, and I got TRICKED. At least I can show the LORD all these EVIDENCE and then Ask for MERCY, right?
If your denomination was wrong, what evidence/reason you are going to give? Can you see it? That’s what responsible preaching means.
About number of converts, if you believe all Catholics & Orthodox can be wrong or damned despite all the converting many works etc. what’s so special about other protestant or Pentecostal for their errors either? So let God decide but we need to “choose wisely” or “PREACH with EVIDENCE to be HONEST and SAFE”, fair, right?
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Slide 283. Question: Can you become POOR by GIVING? Of Course that’s the whole IDEA of GIVING, isn’t it? But POOR on EARTH and RICH in HEAVEN.
In fact, CHRIST HIMSELF showed an EXAMPLE of HOW a POOR WIDOW became EVEN POORER since she has to give her LIFE SAVINGS which she had to LIVE ON (notice these words carefully) which LORD JESUS PRAISED as GAVE MOST which from other VERSES from HIM we understand that one becomes RICH in HEAVEN and GOD MEASURES by RELATIVE MEASURE and NOT amount, BIBLE Verses below:
[From Pages 530/585/793/85 onward of the #ChiliasmBook] Compare with St. Irenaeus of Lyons’ quote in SLIDE 274 earlier:
“… [1And He looked up and saw the rich putting their gifts into the treasury, 2and He saw also a CERTAIN POOR WIDOW putting in two mites.][a] 3So He said, “TRULY I say to you that this POOR widow has put in MORE THAN ALL; 4for all these out of their abundance have put in offerings [b]for God, but she OUT OF HER POVERTY PUT IN ALL THE LIVELIHOOD THAT SHE HAD.” …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 21:1 – 4, NKJV)
Note: Even for such a ‘remarkable giving’ CHRIST did NOT make her a MILLIONAIRE after that. Can you “see” it?
Slide 283 in Powerpoint – Do you know that CHARITY DOCTRINE is the ONLY RIGHTEOUS ACT which has DIRECTLY been linked by LORD JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF to the PHRASE “KEEP your LAMPS LIT” which can link to PARABLE of 5 WISE and 5 FOOLISH Virgins (Matthew 25:1 – 13) as most first Christianity taught including Martin Luther First Protestant as I have shown in my free pdf books as per ORIGINAL BIBLE which did NOT have this separation of Verses within this chapter which was only done In 1551?, a Parisian printer named Robert Stephanus (Roman Catholic became Protestant) who published a Greek and Latin edition of the New Testament in which each chapter was divided into separate verses (ask your Bible School Professor if I’m lying or not)
Which here is can you see the link” … SEEK HIS KINGDOM … 33“SELL YOUR POSSESSIONS and GIVE TO CHARITY … an unfailing treasure in heaven … 34“For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. … KEEP YOUR LAMPS LIT ” below in ONE CONVERSATION without BREAKS? Ehem ehem and ONLY MONEY “Treasure” REVEALS our HEART (all else is “PRIDE of LIFE and DRAMA as long as they can KEEP EARNING & ENJOYING it, right? (me too included so it’s fair and let GOD COUNT; Verses here is by CHRIST and ETERNAL. In short no MONEY return is Promised by GOD on earth and ONLY Treasure in Heaven so don’t be deceived.
Notice word little flock (few/elect sheep) only mentioned in CHARITY DOCTRINE CONTEXT below
“… 31“But SEEK HIS KINGDOM, and THESE THINGS will be ADDED TO YOU. 32“Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has chosen gladly to give you the kingdom. 33“SELL YOUR POSSESSIONS and GIVE TO CHARITY; make yourselves money belts which do not wear out, an unfailing treasure in heaven, where no thief comes near nor moth destroys. 34“For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. 35“Be dressed in readiness, and KEEP YOUR LAMPS LIT. 36You are also to be like people who are waiting for their master when he RETURNS FROM THE WEDDING FEAST, … . 38Whether he COMES IN THE [AA]SECOND WATCH, or EVEN IN THE [AB]THIRD, and finds them so, blessed are those slaves. …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 12:31 – 38, NASB) Comment: His Return after the “Wedding” (First Resurrection, Revelation 20:4 – 6) during the “Second and Third Watches” could also imply His Surprise Visit to Earth during Christ’s 1000 years Millennial Reign (Revelation 20:5) where verses above points to the Context of “Doing the Charity Doctrine” when understood collectively implying its importance not just now but in the future Judgment Day too (Matthew 25:31 – 46).
Are we the LITTLE FLOCK which GETS the KINGDOM of HEAVEN? May God have Mercy
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Slide 284. Most Blessed & Most Holy Trinity quotes by CHILIASM Church Fathers (Examples of “earliest” quotes & notice CHILIASM Church Fathers all had the HOLY SPIRIT so we can contemplate CHILIASM PROPHECY Possibilities too and where they differ or what they meant, we can debate/discuss with “evidence” as that’s “honesty”; only trinity quotes earlier than these are by say St. Ignatius whose prophecy position is NOT written so hard to imagine they differ from any of these.
NO earlier quote on TRINITY or equivalent exists and if someone says otherwise, ask them for quote & proof, fair, right?).
So this means if we accept TRINITY DOCTRINE it’s from these men whom GOD CHOSE to REVEAL it first as the BIBLE can be interpreted in many ways as even SOME early Christians/Heretics also DENIED TRINITY, right?
That’s WHY EARLIEST Quotes are important and rest just copy what they said meaning CHILIASM PROPHECY POSITION is FROM THEM TOO and hence CAN BE TRUE (Higher probability? Let God Decide).
Also NONE of these believed in “Women pastors” either just saying.
When someone speaks about “Love” just quote to them what CHRIST Said namely “… If you love Me, keep My commandments.…” (John 14:15, NKJV) i.e. any NEW TESTAMENT COMMANDS such as CHARITY DOCTRINE (Luke 11:39 – 45, Luke 10:25 – 37, Matthew 25:31 – 46, Luke 12:30 – 34 as per Slide 283 earlier etc.) to HOLINESS including “Traditions” (1 Corinthians 14:37).
So we cannot love without “obeying His Commands” and “Obedience is better than Sacrifice” (1 Samuel 15:22) i.e. “sacrifice” can be converting against these commands, can you “see” it?
And so only GOD can see INSIDE of a PERSON thus let HIM judge who did with MORE MEASURE of LOVE but it CANNOT be DONE AGAINST or WITHOUT HIS COMMANDS.
Also if we don’t have a Church/Charity collecting money/donations as even the Blessed Apostles had a safety net of “money collected laid at their feet” (Acts 4:35) but used for “common NEED only” meaning we can “hoard till end of life & give it to CHARITY via a WILL” as every PRIEST/MISSIONARY likewise lived on CHURCH MONEY SAFETY NET/SUPPORT SYSTEM while we can do it with OWN WORKING MONEY/POSSESIONS (not even donations) as Blessed Apostle St. Paul demonstrated in 1 Corinthians 9:13 – 18. So our FINANCE DOCTRINE is BIBLICAL.
“… But that He is Himself in His own right, beyond all men who ever lived, God, and Lord, and King Eternal, and the Incarnate Word, proclaimed by all the prophets, the apostles, and by the Spirit Himself, may be seen by all who have attained to even a small portion of the truth. … that He was despised among the people, and humbled Himself even to death and that He is the holy Lord, the Wonderful, the Counsellor, the Beautiful in appearance, and the Mighty God, Isaiah 9:6 coming on the clouds as the Judge of all men; Daniel 7:13 — all these things did the Scriptures prophesy of Him. …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, CHILIASM Church Father (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, ‘Against Heresies’, (Book 3(III), Chapter 19), Point 2)
Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103319.htm
“… that the Father is God, and the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God, and each is God; … Thus the connection of the Father in the Son, and of the Son in the Paraclete, produces three coherent Persons, who are yet distinct One from Another. These Three are one essence, not one Person, as it is said, I and my Father are One, John 10:30 in respect of unity of substance not singularity of number. …” – Blessed Tertullian, Father of Latin Christianity, Founder of Western Theological Scholarship, CHILIASM CHURCH FATHER, c. 155 AD – c. 240 AD, Against Praxeas, Chapter 13, Chapter 25)
Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0317.htm
“… God begot before all creatures a Beginning, [who was] a certain rational power [proceeding] from Himself, who is called by the Holy Spirit, now the Glory of the Lord, now the Son, …”– Blessed St. Justin of Rome or St. Justin Martyr, CHILIASM Church Father, a Great Early Christian Apologist who is a Foremost Exponent of the Divine Word, who Influenced Virtually all of subsequent Christian philosophy and Catholic theology, Martyr for Christ, (c. 100AD – c. 160 AD, ‘Dialogue with Trypho’, CHAPTER 61)
Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/01285.htm
“… The Holy Spirit, since He sanctifies creatures, is neither a creature nor subject to change. He is always good, since He is given by the Father and the Son … Lastly, as He is said in Scripture to be good, and is joined to the Father and the Son in baptism …” – Blessed Archbishop St. Ambrose of Milan, the First Great Latin Doctor of the Church, CHILIASM Church Father Converter, Baptizer & Teacher of St. Augustine of Hippo, (c. 340 AD – c. 397 AD On the Holy Spirit (Book I), Chapter 5)
Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/34021.htm
Can you quote NON-CHILIASM Prophecy EARLIER than THESE with source & proof as I showed in Powerpoint and free pdfs/books? Cannot, right? Let’s debate to be fair.
Slide 285. Case for CHILIASM Summary.
Each CHILIASM Church Father quoted in Slide 284 except Tertullian due to some Montanism he was involved in is Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church as well.
Example:
“… If, therefore, you assert that the Holy Spirit calls some other one God and Lord, besides the Father of all things and His Christ, answer me; for I undertake to prove to you from Scriptures themselves, that He whom the Scripture calls Lord is not one of the two angels that went to Sodom, but He who was with them, and is called God, that appeared to Abraham. … God begot before all creatures a Beginning, [who was] a certain rational power [proceeding] from Himself, who is called by the Holy Spirit, now the Glory of the Lord, now the Son, again Wisdom, again an Angel, then God, and then Lord and Logos; and on another occasion He calls Himself Captain, when He appeared in human form – Blessed St. Justin of Rome or St. Justin Martyr or Justin of Neapolis, CHILIASM Church Father, a Great Early Christian Apologist who is a Foremost Exponent of the Divine Word, who Influenced Virtually all of subsequent Christian philosophy and Catholic theology, Martyr for Christ, (c. 100AD – c. 160 AD, ‘Dialogue with Trypho’, CHAPTER 56, 61)
Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/01285.htm
If Blessed Apostle St. Paul can declare these Verses in 1 Corinthians 9:13 – 18 by the Inspiration of the Most Blessed Holy Spirit of God and NOT considered to be PRIDEFUL NOR LOSE ANY REWARD, we can likewise TEACH FINANCIAL DOCTRINE the same way as per SLIDE 284 earlier. Also if you think I’m debating too much that’s exactly what TRUE SPIRITUAL WAREFARE is according to 2 Corinthians 10:5.
Can you “see” it in images here?
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Slide 286 – A SLIDE for LIFE – Answer to life’s most elusive question of WHY by quoting ONLY Most Blessed LORD JESUS CHRIST i.e. How to LIVE a LIFE which matters to GOD? All else is riddled with illusion and vanity. What Would Jesus Do (WWJD)?
Based on these Bible Verses by CHRIST Directly, are we PREACHING OURSELVES or the GOSPEL?
[From Page 85/86 onward of the #LastBook or #PODBook or #PossibilitiesandDangersofDoctrineBook]
“… [16Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good[d] Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?” 17So He said to him], [e]“Why do you call Me good? [f]No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” [18He said to Him, “Which ones?”] Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ” 20The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept [g]from my youth. What do I STILL LACK?” [21JESUS said to him], “IF you want to be PERFECT, go, SELL what YOU HAVE and GIVE to the POOR, and YOU WILL HAVE TREASURE IN HEAVEN; and come, FOLLOW ME.” 22But when the young man heard that saying, he went away SORROWFUL, for he had GREAT POSSESSIONS. 23Then JESUS said to His disciples, “Assuredly, I say to you that it is HARD for a RICH MAN TO ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. 24And AGAIN I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. … 27Then Peter answered and said to Him, “See, we have LEFT ALL and FOLLOWED YOU. Therefore what shall we have?” 28So JESUS SAID TO THEM, “Assuredly I say to you, that in the REGENERATION, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29And EVERYONE who has LEFT HOUSES or brothers or sisters or father or mother or WIFE or children or LANDS, for MY NAME’S SAKE, shall RECEIVE a HUNDREDFOLD, and INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE. 30But MANY who are FIRST will be LAST, and the LAST FIRST. …” – The GREATEST ONE, The ONLY KING, GOD in FLESH, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:16 – 24, 27 – 30 NKJV)
CHRIST HIMSELF only pointed to HOLINESS COMMANDS (not even Sabbath or Tithes or church attendance etc.) when asked “Which Ones?” to CHARITY DOCTRINE as PERFECTION of ENTERING HEAVEN type of SALVATION in Matthew 19:16 – 30 (so all else are “mixed” with man-made doctrinal errors – Please read carefully the BIBLE VERSES above & NOT opinions of men but from Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ Directly above.
Example: There is NOTHING in CHRIST’s REPLY here about “believing in pre-trib rapture or attending Church” to “keep lamps burning” but CHARITY DOCTRINE is as per SLIDE 283 earlier and here & greater the CHARITY DOCTRINE (word “PERFECT” can link to “HUNDREDFOLD” levels etc.) greater the HEAVENLY REWARDS and CHRIST did NOT say CHARITY DOCTRINE is an OPTION for SOME CHRISTIANS only or PASTORS excluded since APOSTLES DID IT too (Matthew 19:27 above) in ENTERING HEAVEN CONTEXT here. Don’t add nor remove His Words as IT is WRITTEN & if anything else was important, He would have Said in His Reply here and this is how MANY (not few) become LAST or FIRST & Vice Versa in Heaven’s SAVED type even. End.
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Slide 287 – Why Financial SIN of Luxury beyond needs can lead to HELL and HOW MONEY and LUXURY desire REVEALS who we REALLY ARE? (where is the threshold, let GOD Decide but SCRIPTURE is clear even in NEW TESTAMENT CONTEXT)
Please see James 5:5 and 1 Timothy 5:6 exact same word in Koine Greek and can be linked to Hebrew word in Sodom’s Ezekiel 16:49 and Christ in the ONLY description of a rich man who went to HELL due to LUXURY (NO other sins mentioned primarily in Luke 16:19, 25) with 2 Peter 2:13 and Jude 1:12 (men who try to ENJOY CHARITY DOCTRINE without contributing to it as I have shown about AGAPE FEAST or LOVE FEASTS in [From Page 976 – 978 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook] and Shepherd of Hermas links LUXURY to DEATH/CORRUPTION for “Christians context” and St. Irenaeous of Lyons quote in “I never knew you” LUXURY-Context included in Slide 282 earlier with St. Jusin Martyr “On the Resurrection”(Chapter 3) writing that those lose VIRGINITY can REPENT and LIVE as THOUGH RENEWED etc. on next SLIDE 288 (so no point judging those who repented).
“… And he said to me, Do you see this shepherd? I see him, sir, I said. This, he answered, is the angel of luxury and deceit: he wears out the souls of the servants of God, and perverts them from the truth, deceiving them with wicked desires, through which they will perish; for they forget the commandments of the living God, and walk in deceits and empty luxuries; and they are ruined by the angel, some being brought to death, others to corruption. … Corruption, then, has a hope of a kind of renewal, but death has everlasting ruin. …” – Shepherd of Hermas (Book 3, Similitude 6, Chapter 2)
Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/02013.htm
Many false prophets will arise and deceive many (Matthew 24:11). Are you preaching these Bible Verses as it is Written? (The Shepherd of Hermas and St. Ireneaous quotes just proves FIRST CHRISTIANITY also taught likewise).
When we write against financial sins, some can think we are jealous but GOD KNOWS and BIBLE Verses WARN it and we PREACH it TRUTHFULLY and our part is done.
CHRIST Taught the same that CONTEXT for we CANNOT SERVE GOD and MONEY (must CHOOSE one) is CHARITY DOCTRINE by RELATIVE MEASURE in the same CHAPTER when DISCUSSING this VERSE in Luke 16:9 – 13 as shown in next SLIDE 288 [From Page 581/662 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]. So not getting in right in doctrine of money can lead to hell (Let God Decide) and they way a pastor/priest preaches about money part, I usually can make my mind about their level of truth or understanding or mostly honesty even in light of these Bible Verses. Peace to you.
Slide 288 – What DID CHRIST Teach about FINANCE? Did he Teach “Prosperity Gospel” or “Charity Doctrine” or both?
CHRIST Taught the same that CONTEXT for we CANNOT SERVE GOD and MONEY (must CHOOSE one) is CHARITY DOCTRINE by RELATIVE MEASURE in the same CHAPTER when DISCUSSING this VERSE in Luke 16:9 – 13 as shown in next SLIDE 288 [From Page 581/662 onward of the #ChiliasmBook].
So not getting in right in doctrine of money can lead to hell (Let God Decide) and they way a pastor/priest preaches about money part, I usually can make my mind about their level of truth or understanding or mostly honesty even in light of these Bible Verses. Peace to you.
1) The MONEY in CHRIST’s PARABLES refers to CHARITY DOCTRINE ACTS done with literal money and/or with the TEACHINGS including NEW TESTAMENT TRADITIONS of the CHURCH shared for FREE as much as possible
“… 1. Since therefore we have such proofs, it is not necessary to seek the truth among others which it is easy to obtain from the Church; since the apostles, like a rich man [depositing his money] in a bank, lodged in her hands most copiously all things pertaining to the truth: so that every man, whosoever will, can draw from her the water of life. Revelation 22:17 For she is the entrance to life; all others are thieves and robbers. … For how should it be if the apostles themselves had not left us writings? Would it not be necessary, [in that case,] to follow the course of the tradition which they handed down to those to whom they did commit the Churches? …” – Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, CHILIASM Church Father (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, ‘Against Heresies’, (Book 3(III), Chapter 4), Point 1)
Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103304.htm
2) Note Luke 16:9 – 13 applies in CONTEXT of ETERNAL HOME for EVERY CHRISTIAN and NOT for some Christian only to do CHARITY DOCTRINE (by Relative Measure unless no money understood as those receiving it, right?) , can you see it here in BIBLE VERSES by CHRIST?
“… 9Here’s the lesson: USE YOUR WORLDLY RESOURCES to BENEFIT OTHERS AND MAKE FRIENDS. Then, when your possessions are gone, they will welcome you to an ETERNAL HOME. 10“If you are faithful in little things, you will be faithful in large ones. But if you are dishonest in little things, you won’t be honest with greater responsibilities. 11And IF YOU ARE UNTRUSTWORTHY ABOUT WORLDLY WEALTH, who will trust you with the TRUE RICHES OF HEAVEN? 12And if you are not faithful with other people’s things, why should you be trusted with things of your own? 13“No one can serve two masters. For you will hate one and love the other; you will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and be enslaved to money.” …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 16:9 – 13, NLT) Source: https://biblehub.com/nlt/luke/16.htm
Compare: [Another translation from Page 1698 of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]
“… 9“And I say to you, MAKE FRIENDS FOR YOURSELVES by UNRIGHTEOUS [D]MAMMON, that when [e]you fail, they may receive you into an EVERLASTING HOME [4633 [e] skēnas/Dwelling/Tabernacle]. 10He who is FAITHFUL in what is least is faithful also in much; and he who is unjust in what is least is unjust also in much. 11Therefore IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN FAITHFUL IN THE UNRIGHTEOUS MAMMON, WHO WILL COMMIT TO YOUR TRUST THE TRUE RICHES? 12And if you have not been faithful in what is another man’s, who will give you what is your own? 13“No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. YOU CANNOT SERVE GOD AND MAMMON.” …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 16:9 – 13, NKJV)
“… but those even who are not barren abstain from sexual intercourse, some being virgins from the first, and others from a certain time. And we see men also keeping themselves virgins, some from the first, and some from a certain time; so that by their means, marriage, made lawless through lust, is destroyed. …” – Blessed St. Justin of Rome or St. Justin Martyr, CHILIASM Church Father, a Great Early Christian Apologist who is a Foremost Exponent of the Divine Word, who Influenced Virtually all of subsequent Christian philosophy and Catholic theology, Martyr for Christ, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church (c. 100AD – c. 160 AD, On the Resurrection, Chapter 3)
Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0131.htm
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Founders in Christianity – Which is the oldest writing that lists out the earliest Church Leaders leading directly to the Blessed Apostles of Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ? Guess who? None other than Blessed St. Irenaeus of Lyons who is a CHILIASM CHURCH FATHER by PROPHECY position as I have extensively discussed POSSIBILITIES in the #CHILIASM Book to SHOW EVIDENCE. Can you quote him to show how well your “prophecy beliefs” match his quotes? Only GOD KNOWS who is quoting him accurately but as long as we speak with EVIDENCE, it’s SAFE even if WRONG because that’s the ONLY EARLIEST EVIDENCE we have. Even the Roman Catholics do NOT have a quote earlier than him, example:
“… St. Irenaeus, writing between 175 and 190, not many years after his Roman sojourn, enumerates the series from Peter to Eleutherius (Against Heresies III.3.3; Eusebius, Church History V.6). His object, as we have already seen, was to establish the orthodoxy of the traditional doctrine, as opposed to heretical novelties, by showing that the bishop was the natural inheritor of the Apostolic teaching. He gives us the names alone, not the length of the various episcopates. This need is supplied by other witnesses. …” (Chronological Lists of Popes) Source: https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12272a.htm
Blessed St. Irenaeous of Lyons, a Hearer of Blessed St. Polycarp who is an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of Blessed St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church, First Doctor of the Church in order of time, Father of Catholic Theology, CHILIASM Church Father (c. 130 AD – c. 202 AD, all quotes from this book ‘Against Heresies’)
Sample quotes are in images.
If Roman Catholic Church today with biggest continued evangelism in numbers can be in error in some parts of doctrine when compared to St. Irenaeus any other Protestant Christianity can likewise be wrong too so better to guard one’s tongue and consider evidences to be safe.
(All quotes from this book ‘Against Heresies’) Remember even Jews were WRONG by CHRIST’s TIME though they were PRIESTS, PRESERVED SCRIPTURE etc. Peace to you
Founders in Christianity – FIRST HOSPITAL for ALL and FREE in HUMAN HISTORY by God’s Grace in St. Basil the Great , the Third Great Greek Doctor of the Church may NOT have believed in CHILIASM but that’s understandable since NOT all writings are available and he is MUCH LATER than say St. Irenaeus of Lyons, St. Justin Martyr or even Tertullian but his CHARITY DOCTRINE impact changed the WORLD! Also strangely he has some POSSIBLE NON ELECT SALVATION quotes as I have shown in Powerpoint and free pdf books such as in [From Pages 121, 240, 394 and 395 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
Please compare against those who build HOSPITALS ONLY for OWN RACE/RELIGION/RICH in HISTORY or even to MAKE MONEY as BUSINESS in MODERN HISTORY and NOT for FREE or discriminate you while using MOSTLY CHRISTIAN DISCOVERED MODERN MEDICINES .
Basil of Caesarea Develops the Hospital
Although there were forms of hospitals in Greece and Rome before Christ, they were only for the wealthy. Basil of Caesarea founded what historians consider the first hospital. In 369 AD Basil built and ran a 300-bed hospital in Caesarea. Gregory of Nazianzus, one of the Cappadocian Fathers along with Basil, called it one of the great wonders of the world. It was the first large-scale hospital. Patients were cared for–doctors and nurses treated patients, and diseases were studied at the facility. The “Hektoen International: A Journal of Medical Humanities” states that a hospital must three components to be considered a hospital: inpatient facilities, professional medical caregivers, and care given for free. Basil’s Basilias was the first to have all three components.
After Basil died in 379 AD, hospitals started sprouting up all over the Roman Empire. Within a hundred years, hospitals were a normal part of the Greco-Roman world.
“I have learned from Jesus Christ Himself what charity is, and how we ought to practice it; for He says: ‘By this shall all men know that ye are My disciples, if ye love one another.’ Never can I, therefore, please myself in the hope that I may obtain the name of a servant of Christ if I possess not a true and unfeigned charity within me.” (~Basil)
https://www.facebook.com/church.history01
Who was he? Blessed St. Basil the Great, the Third Great Greek Doctor of the Church was the bishop of Caesarea Mazaca in Cappadocia, Asia Minor (modern-day Turkey). He was an influential theologian who supported the Nicene Creed and opposed the heresies of the early Christian church, fighting against both Arianism and the followers of Apollinaris of Laodicea. In addition to his work as a theologian, Basil was known for his care of the poor and underprivileged. Basil established guidelines for monastic life which focus on community life, liturgical prayer, and manual labor. Together with Pachomius, he is remembered as a father of communal monasticism in Eastern Christianity, Titles: one of the Three Holy Hierarchs / Great Hierarch, Doctor of the Church, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church (c. 329 AD – c. 379 AD).
Founders MINISTRY in Christianity
[From Page 500 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
This same TERTULLIAN wrote that 1 Corinthians 15:52’s CHANGE in TWINKLING of an EYE PROPHECY refers to this CHILIASM Prophecy in his own words here and NOT about a ‘secret coming of Christ’ – HOW COME? More quotes in those pages (the other quote here is about “Apostolic Succession”)
“… Chapter 25. … Of the heavenly kingdom this is the process. After its thousand years are over, within which period is completed the resurrection of the saints, who rise sooner or later according to their deserts there will ensue the destruction of the world and the conflagration of all things at the judgment: we shall then be changed in a moment into the substance of angels, even by the investiture of an incorruptible nature, and so be removed to that kingdom in heaven … when Abraham’s seed, after the primal promise of being like the sand of the sea for multitude, is destined likewise to an equality with the stars of heaven — are not these the indications both of an earthly and a heavenly dispensation? …” – Blessed Tertullian, Father of Latin Christianity, Founder of Western Theological Scholarship, CHILIASM CHURCH FATHER (c. 155 AD – c. 240 AD, Against Marcion, Book III, Chapter 25-partial) Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/03123.htm
A Thought to ponder: When St. Irenaeus of Lyons wrote this, he was talking about the CHILIASM Church he wrote so much about and NOT any modern Church including the current Roman Catholic type, can you really SEE it?
Founders in Christianity – a note about “Who is HARDWORKING in LIFE”?
St. Basil the Great (First Founder of free hospitals for the common man in all of human history) gave an interesting comment regarding “Christians being hardworking in spiritual matters such as Prayer, Church Attendance etc. as long as it does NOT cost ANY MONEY” (Please see slides 286 to 288 for FINANCIAL SIN and GOD’s WILL in 290 Slides Powerpoint earlier).
St. Basil the Great (like other “Church Fathers” & even “Doctors of the Church” did NOT live in luxury NOR take any BIG SALARY) but yet were HARD WORKING on doing SHARING EARTHLY and SPIRITUAL GOODS for FREE to the PUBLIC.
In other words, compare with an average money-lover who claims to be hardworking but he is so because he may be earning BIG SALARY for EVERY HOUR he is HARDWORKING for, so will he spend the SAME TIME to do it for FREE or to GIVE it to CHARITY (even at end of life via a will)? Only then someone (pastor/priest or laity) can be said to be hardworking (i.e. when GIVING for FREE as CHRIST Taught in Matthew 10:8).
In short, it is NOT a PERFECT GOOD WORK until it is for FREE or that MONEY EARNED via SECULAR WORK is GIVEN/PLEDGED via a WILL to POOR/CHARITY at end of life which is TRUE HARDWORKING as these Church Fathers have demonstrated by GOD’s GRACE.
In comparison, the average secular rich man uses the poor to work for them with lower wages benefitting from nepotism to racism to luck to contacts etc. while they earn big money via ADMIN JOB of MANAGEMENT ONLY and the MONEY is for THEM and THEIR FAMILY (not CHARITY nor POOR or even NEIGHBOURS to ENEMIES as CHRIST Commanded in Matthew 5:43 – 48 or only SMALL TIT-BITS in PERCENTAGE or RELATIVE MEASURE given, as GOD COUNTS as HE SAID in Luke 21:1 – 3 so don’t be deceived by mere selfish humans who teach against these Bible Verses even), right?
St. Basil’s quote agrees with Prophet Isaiah 58:3, 7 – 9 or New Testament’s 2 Corinthians 9:9 – 13 as I have shown in [From Page 115 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook].
Reward is in heaven and not earth as even the POOR WIDOW with remarkable LOVE which exhibited in ACTION as GIVING all her LIVELIHOOD in Luke 21:1 – 3 as CHRIST SAID did NOT become MILLIONAIRE on earth.
Founders in Christianity – a note about “Who is HARDWORKING in LIFE”? Slide 7 in Founders PPT (Part 2 of 2)
[From Page 115 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook]
Becoming RICH is NOT Proof that GOD has NOTICED FASTING as CHRIST showed in Luke 21:1 – 3 that HE notices WHO GIVES more in LOVE. Small love, small giving and Reward in Heaven and NOT on EARTH.
A Thought to Ponder: In other words, compare with an average money-lover who claims to be hardworking but he is so because he may be earning BIG SALARY for EVERY HOUR he is HARDWORKING for, so will he spend the SAME TIME to do it for FREE or to GIVE it to CHARITY (even at end of life via a will)? Only then someone (pastor/priest or laity/common man) can be said to be hardworking (i.e. when GIVING for FREE as CHRIST Taught in Matthew 10:8).
In short, it is NOT a PERFECT GOOD WORK until it is for FREE or that MONEY EARNED via SECULAR WORK is GIVEN/PLEDGED via a WILL to POOR/CHARITY at end of life which is TRUE HARDWORKING as these Church Fathers have demonstrated by GOD’s GRACE. ” (Please see slides 286 to 288 for FINANCIAL SIN and GOD’s WILL in 290 Slides Powerpoint earlier).
It’s not Perfect until it’s FREE.
“… ‘Why have WE FASTED,’ they say, ‘and YOU HAVE NOT SEEN? Why have WE AFFLICTED OUR SOULS, and YOU TAKE NO NOTICE?’ …” (Isaiah 58:3, NKJV)
Part of the Answer (God’s Reply):
“… 7Is it not to SHARE YOUR BREAD with the HUNGRY,
And that you bring to your house THE POOR who are cast out;
When you see THE NAKED, that you cover him,
And not hide yourself from YOUR OWN FLESH?
8Then YOUR LIGHT shall break forth like the MORNING,
YOUR HEALING shall spring forth speedily,
And your righteousness shall go before you;
The glory of the Lord shall be your rear guard.
9Then you shall call, and the Lord will answer;
You shall cry, and He will say, ‘Here I am.’ …” (Isaiah 58:7 – 9, NKJV)
“… 9As it is written: “He has dispersed abroad,He has GIVEN TO THE POOR; His RIGHTEOUSNESS endures FOREVER.” 10Now [g]may He who supplies seed to the sower, and bread for food, [h]supply and multiply the seed you have sown and INCREASE THE FRUITS OF YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS, 11while you are enriched in everything for ALL LIBERALITY, which causes THANKSGIVING THROUGH US TO GOD. 12For the ADMINISTRATION OF THIS SERVICE not only SUPPLIES THE NEEDS OF THE SAINTS, but also is ABOUNDING THROUGH MANY THANKSGIVINGS TO GOD, 13while, through the PROOF OF THIS MINISTRY, THEY GLORIFY GOD for the OBEDIENCE OF YOUR CONFESSION to the GOSPEL OF CHRIST, and for YOUR LIBERAL SHARING WITH THEM and ALL MEN, …” (2 Corinthians 9:9 – 13, NKJV)
“… 31“But SEEK HIS KINGDOM, and THESE THINGS will be ADDED TO YOU. 32“Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has chosen gladly to give you the kingdom. 33“SELL YOUR POSSESSIONS and GIVE TO CHARITY; make yourselves money belts which do not wear out, an UNFAILING TREASURE IN HEAVEN, where no thief comes near nor moth destroys. 34“For where your treasure is, there YOUR HEART WILL BE ALSO. 35“Be dressed in readiness, and KEEP YOUR LAMPS LIT. …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 12:31 – 35, NASB)
“… [ 39Then the Lord said to him, ] “Now you Pharisees make the OUTSIDE OF THE CUP and DISH CLEAN, but YOUR INWARD PART is full of [k]GREED and WICKEDNESS. 40FOOLISH ones! Did not He who made the outside make the inside also? 41But rather GIVE ALMS of [l]SUCH THINGS AS YOU HAVE; then indeed ALL THINGS ARE CLEAN TO YOU. …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 11:39 – 41, NKJV)
“… I have shown you in every way, by laboring like this, that you must support the weak. And remember the words of the Lord Jesus, that He said, ‘It is MORE BLESSED to GIVE THAN TO RECEIVE.’ ” …” (Acts 20:35, NKJV)
“… 10In this the CHILDREN OF GOD and THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL are manifest: Whoever DOES NOT PRACTICE RIGHTEOUSNESS is not of God, NOR IS HE WHO DOES NOT LOVE HIS BROTHER. 11For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another, 12not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? BECAUSE HIS WORKS WERE EVIL AND HIS BROTHER’S RIGHTEOUS. … 16By this WE KNOW LOVE, because He laid down His life for us. And we also OUGHT TO LAY DOWN OUR LIVES FOR THE BRETHREN. 17But WHOEVER HAS THIS WORLD’S GOODS, and SEES HIS BROTHER IN NEED, AND SHUTS UP HIS HEART FROM HIM, HOW DOES THE LOVE OF GOD ABIDE IN HIM? 18My little children, let us NOT LOVE IN WORD or IN TONGUE, BUT IN DEED AND IN TRUTH …” (1 John 3: 10 – 12, 16 – 18, NKJV)
“… 8If you really FULFILL the ROYAL LAW according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well; … For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment. 14What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. 18But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [f]your works, and I will show you my faith by [g]my works. …” (James 2:8, 13 – 18, NKJV)
“… 32“But IF YOU LOVE THOSE WHO LOVE YOU, WHAT CREDIT IS THAT TO YOU? …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 6:32, NKJV)
“… WHAT DO YOU DO MORE THAN OTHERS? …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 5:47, NKJV)
“… 33And IF YOU DO GOOD TO THOSE WHO DO GOOD TO YOU, WHAT CREDIT IS THAT TO YOU? …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 6:33, NKJV)
Founders MINISTRY in Christianity – St. Athanasius and the Didache
– I saw this conventional Protestant Reformation page also quoting the Didache Prophecy about the Antichrist.
Interestingly, “the Didache” is approved by “Blessed St. Athanasius the Great, First Great Greek Doctor of the Church and Champion of Trinity as SAME LEVEL of “Shepherd of Hermas” or “Book of Esther which today is in all Bibles” as I have shown say in [From Page 682 onward of the #MysteryoftheKingdomofHeavenBook].
The Didache seems to teach these too (will the Protestant page agree or at least consider as possibility to be honest?):
1) Some type of NON-ELECT SALVATION for those WHO did FINANCIAL SINS of taking MONEY beyond NEED? [From Page 391 onward of the #MysteryoftheKingdomofHeavenBook] and the one who GIVES even to WRONG PERSON or SCAMMED is GUILTLESS (meaning his reward is secure and NO sin on his part for being cheated)
2) NO Secret Pre-Trib Rapture but only ONE PUBLIC SECOND COMING of CHRIST followed by CHILIASM PROPHECY of FIRST RESURRECTION of SOME and NOT ALL [From Page 528 onward of the #MysteryoftheKingdomofHeavenBook]
3) Charity Doctrine Lifestyle Specifically “Almsgiving/Alms” or “Money to help others Financially” to be forgiven or as “RANSOM” for “JUDGMENT of SINS” [From Page 533 onward of the #MysteryoftheKingdomofHeavenBook] same way we keep HOLY which is NOT counted as ‘Salvation by Works either’ (same principle in Financial Holiness) & NO Prayers to Virgin Mary found in it etc. (discovered late so well preserved)
Founders MINISTRY in Christianity – St. Athanasius the Great approved the Didache for Usage – Part 2 of 2
1) Some type of NON-ELECT SALVATION for those WHO did FINANCIAL SINS of taking MONEY beyond NEED? [From Page 391 onward of the #MysteryoftheKingdomofHeavenBook] and the one who GIVES even to WRONG PERSON or SCAMMED is GUILTLESS (meaning his reward is secure and NO sin on his part for being cheated)
Here’s that “Didache” Warning of taking money “beyond needs” (applies not just to Church money but any money too):
“… Happy is he who gives according to the commandment, for he is guiltless. WOE to HIM WHO RECEIVES; for if one receives who has need, he is guiltless; but he who RECEIVES NOT having NEED shall PAY the PENALTY, why he received and for what. And coming into CONFINEMENT, he shall be EXAMINED concerning the THINGS which he HAS DONE, and he shall NOT ESCAPE from THERE until he PAYS back the LAST PENNY. And also concerning this, it has been said, Let YOUR ALMS sweat in your hands, until you know to whom you should give…” – The Didache, The Lord’s Teaching Through the Twelve Apostles to the Nations. (1st Century, Chapter 1. The Two Ways and the First Commandment),
Source: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/didache-roberts.html
Comment: Is this what CHRIST Meant in these Bible Verses? (we consider it as a POSSIBILITY in light of all this EVIDENCE as you can see, difficult to decide, right?)
[From Page 1800 or 2387 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook];
Compare: The “Prison” till the “Last Penny” seem to refer to the “Gehenna” (Final Hell or Lake of Fire Context) because Christ was talking about that Topic in Verses below:
“… 22 But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in DANGER of HELL [Gehenna] fire. 23Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into PRISON. 26Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till YOU HAVE PAID THE LAST PENNY. …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 5:22 – 26, NKJV)
In yet another time CHRIST uses that same phrase “Till the Last Penny” to refer to the “unforgiveness attitude some have” which could mean ‘Lake of Fire or Hades Context’ too:
“… 32Then his master, after he had called him, said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you begged me. 33Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you?’ 34And his master was angry, and DELIVERED HIM TO THE TORTURERS UNTIL HE SHOULD PAY ALL THAT WAS DUE TO HIM. 35“So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother [g]his trespasses. …” – Most Blessed Judge & KING of kings, Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 18:32 – 35, NKJV)
This is Founders Slide 10. Lake of Fire or Hades or both or Neither?
Founders MINISTRY in Christianity – St. Athanasius the Great approved the Didache for Usage which uses the SAME BIBLICAL Phrase “Till the last Penny” as we saw in Founders Slide 9 earlier –
Here’s the Dilemma: Can the word “PRISON” refer to LAKE of FIRE Context or HADES Context?
The Roman Catholics use Matthew 5:25 – 26 or Matthew 18:34 to refer to HADES Context & link it to PURGATORY (quoting even 1 Peter 3:18 – 19’s “PRISON” word but this refers to “unbelievers context who rejected Noah’s preaching on earth” so POSSIBLE Non-Elect Salvation likewise for “some who believe there in Spirit World too” as word “FORMERLY DISOBEDIENT” meaning not disobedient anymore repented in Spirit World means?).
Another POSSIBILITY is that Isaiah 24:21 – 22 uses the word “PRISON” in “Lake of FIRE Context” since it’s AFTER CHRIST RETURNS and Original Word as KJV translates too is VISITED and NOT Punished AFTER MANY DAYS (as shown in Slide 264 which even NIV translation adds a footnote that ORIGINAL WORD can mean “RELEASED” – Check with your Bible Professor if I’m lying or not).
POSSIBILITIES are there with EVIDENCE even SOLA SCRIPTURA like this but which is right let GOD DECIDE as I present the EVIDENCE HONESTLY and GUARD my tongue likewise. This is Founders Slide 10.
[From Page 1800 onward of the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook] CHRIST (not me) Says some of those in AFTERLIFE-PRISON can be RELEASED after JUDGMENT or not here?
“… 22 But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in DANGER of HELL [Gehenna] fire. 23Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into PRISON. 26Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till YOU HAVE PAID THE LAST PENNY. …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 5:22 – 26, NKJV)
“… 32Then his master, after he had called him, said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you begged me. 33Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you?’ 34And his master was angry, and DELIVERED HIM TO THE TORTURERS UNTIL HE SHOULD PAY ALL THAT WAS DUE TO HIM. 35“So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother [g]his trespasses. …” – Most Blessed Judge & KING of kings, Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 18:32 – 35, NKJV)
Please notice the WORD PRISON carefully in each of these BIBLE VERSES only (Sola Scriptura even) to see this POSSIBILITY of NON-ELECT SALVATION for some? I don’t know for sure but this is the EVIDENCE.
“… 18For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring [f]us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19by whom also He went and preached to the SPIRITS in PRISON, 20who FORMERLY were DISOBEDIENT, [g]when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. …” (1 Peter 3:18 – 20, NKJV)
“… 21And it shall come to pass IN THAT DAY, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth. 22And they shall be gathered together, AS PRISONERS ARE GATHERED IN THE PIT, and shall be SHUT UP IN THE PRISON, and AFTER MANY DAYS shall they be VISITED. …” (Isaiah 24:21 – 22, KJV)
Slide 11 in Founders Powerpoint – What does Most Blessed LORD JESUS CHRIST mean when He Said “BORN AGAIN”? (John 3:3, 5)
Many weird modern definitions exist but the earliest one I know which matches best what CHRIST SAID directly for “ETERNAL LIFE CONTEXT” (Matthew 19:16 – 30) is by St. Justin of Rome.
In short, CHRIST’s Teaching for ETERNAL LIFE is HOLINESS + CHARITY DOCTRINE in BIBLE Verses here so we PREACH BOTH (Slide 286 in 290 slides Powerpoint while this is Slide 11 in Founders Powerpoint). Other rules affect reward only.
[From Page 85 onward of the #LastBook]
“…16…“Good[d] Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?” 17 … But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” [18He said to Him, “Which ones?”] Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ” 20The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept [g]from my youth. What do I STILL LACK?” [21JESUS said to him], “IF you want to be PERFECT, go, SELL what YOU HAVE and GIVE to the POOR, and YOU WILL HAVE TREASURE IN HEAVEN; and come, FOLLOW ME.” 22But when the young man heard that saying, he went away SORROWFUL, for he had GREAT POSSESSIONS. 23Then JESUS said to His disciples, “Assuredly, I say to you that it is HARD for a RICH MAN TO ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. 24And AGAIN I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. … 30But MANY who are FIRST will be LAST, and the LAST FIRST. …” – The GREATEST ONE, The ONLY KING, GOD in FLESH, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:16, 17, 21 – 24, 30 NKJV)
[From Page 520 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
“…For, in the name of God, the Father and Lord of the universe, and of our Saviour Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit, they then receive the washing with water. For Christ also said, Unless you be born again, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. John 3:5 Now, that it is impossible for those who have once been born to enter into their mothers’ wombs, is manifest to all. And how those who have sinned and repent shall escape their sins, is declared by Esaias the prophet, as I wrote above; he thus speaks: Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from your souls; learn to do well; judge the fatherless, and plead for the widow: and come and let us reason together, says the Lord. And though your sins be as scarlet, I will make them white like wool; and though they be as crimson, I will make them white as snow. But if you refuse and rebel, the sword shall devour you: for the mouth of the Lord has spoken it. Isaiah 1:16-20. And for this [rite] we have learned from the apostles this reason. …” – Blessed St. Justin of Rome or St. Justin Martyr, PRIEST, CHILIASM CHURCH FATHER, MARTYR for CHRIST,, a Great Early Christian Apologist who is a Foremost Exponent of the Divine Word, who Influenced Virtually all of subsequent Christian philosophy and Catholic theology, Martyr for Christ, Approved Church Father in the First Lutheran Father’s Book of Concord, Venerated in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church (c. 100AD – c. 160 AD, The First Apology, Chapter 61, Christian Baptism )
Roman Catholic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0126.htm
Charity Doctrine is called as HIGHER MINISTRY of PERFECTION (“Labour of Love” & “Ministering to Saints” NOT Work meaning sharing earthly and spiritual goods for FREE) compared to ELEMENTARY (LOWER MINISTRY) of “Preaching of Repentance, Faith, Baptism, Laying Hands (Praying) & Judgment” implying higher reward only when BOTH DONE so we must compare if the Bible compares these below, right? Hebrews 6:1 – 3, 9 – 12.
[From Page 8 onward of the #ChiliasmBook]
“… 1Therefore, LEAVING THE DISCUSSION OF THE ELEMENTARY PRINCIPLES OF CHRIST, let us GO ON TO [a]PERFECTION, NOT laying again the FOUNDATION of REPENTANCE FROM DEAD WORKS and OF FAITH TOWARD GOD, 2of the DOCTRINE OF BAPTISMS, of LAYING OF HANDS, of RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD, and of ETERNAL JUDGMENT. 3And THIS [b]we will do IF GOD PERMITS. … 9But, beloved, we are confident of BETTER THINGS CONCERNING YOU, YES, THINGS THAT ACCOMPANY SALVATION, though we speak in this manner. 10For God is not unjust to forget YOUR WORK and [d]LABOR OF LOVE which you have shown toward His name, IN THAT YOU HAVE MNISTERED TO THE SAINTS, and DO MINISTER. 11And WE DESIRE THAT EACH ONE OF YOU SHOW THE SAME DILLIGENCE TO THE FULL ASSURANCE OF HOPE UNTIL THE END, 12that you do not become [e]sluggish, but imitate those who through faith and patience INHERIT the promises. …” (Hebrews 6:1 – 3, 9 – 12, NKJV)
SLIDE 12 in Founders Powerpoint. A thought to Ponder: Just Bible Verses with no comments etc. still means same, right? May God Help us do it by His Grace. What is Biblical Perfection?
God looks for ABILITY (Knowledge accuracy) & LOVE (Charity Doctrine) above AVAILABILITY (or “Zeal for God”) which is NOT accurate (Romans 10:2).
Remember relative measure as Poor Widow gave more (Luke 21:1 – 3) and CHRIST did NOT even NOTICE the RICH’s GIVING which was MORE in AMOUNT so same true for ANY MINISTRY too because “more given” (example, ministry jobs with salary, tithes + love offerings, more converts with money-support) “more will be required” as CHRIST Warned in Luke 12:48. NOT knowing does NOT exempt a CHRISTIAN but rather only gives “SALVATION AFTER BEATING TYPE for those SERVANTS even if saved”.
Founders MINISTRY in Christianity (Slide 13) – Sola Scriptura on Finance Rules – Do you know that the Bible reveals the Financial Sign of an Apostle? Based on these Verses are they really apostles?
Apostles are not only about “Signs and Wonders” (talking about ‘real miracles’, different topic) but also in FINANCE SIGN it’s clearly & repeatedly WRITTEN here that they DO NOT LIVE in PROSPERITY from CHURCH MONEY, TITHES NOR LOVE OFFERINGS where even to take THEIR NEED they will PREFER NOT TO and WORK as Apostle St. Paul demonstrated and even will teach to USE CHURCH MONEY to be SAVED to be SPENT for CHURCH MEMBERS for their NEEDS (as “parents save up for children” analogy used here) – so how many Churches’ money is used for CHURCH MEMEBERS’ NEEDS and NOT for Pastors only etc.?
Note that Apostle is the highest spiritual position and the second is prophets, third teachers and only after that miracles (lower) as written in 1 Corinthians 12:28 or Ephesians 4:11. How can a Church boast to be a Church of Christ unless it exhibits this financial aspect as well to be REAL?
“… 11I have become a fool [c]in boasting; you have compelled me. For I ought to have been commended by you; for in nothing was I behind the most eminent apostles, though I am nothing. 12Truly the signs of an apostle were accomplished among you with all perseverance, in signs and wonders and mighty deeds. 13For what is it in which you were inferior to other churches, except that I myself was not burdensome to you? Forgive me this wrong! 14Now for the third time I am ready to come to you. And I will not be burdensome to you; for I do not seek yours, but you. For the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children. 15And I will very gladly spend and be spent for your souls; though the more abundantly I love you, the less I am loved.16But be that as it may, I did not burden you. Nevertheless, being crafty, I caught you by cunning! 17Did I take advantage of you by any of those whom I sent to you? …” (2 Corinthians 12:11 – 16, NKJV)
“…And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. …” (1 Corinthians 12:28, NKJV)
Note: Apostles & Prophets can have ZERO PROPHECY ERROR. Compare for example with CHILIASM Prophecy in Slide 4 in Founders PPT earlier.
“…And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, …” (Ephesians 4:11, NKJV)
2) We can save up money if intention is “not self prosperity” but to give it to “others/charity/needy” (not the rich or those who have) at end of life is in principle of this Bible Verse as a True “Spiritual Parent” (or “Father of the Church” or Priest/Pastor etc.) should do as Blessed Apostle St. Paul writes in 2 Corinthians 12:14 in Principle.
Notice the Most Blessed Holy Spirit of God inspired to Reveal that even APOSTLES (highest Spiritual Position) living on Church Money is WRONG for NEEDS (in 2 Corinthians 12:13) but ‘modern so called apostles’ not just take needs BUT PROSPERITY too! (when those willing to live like that apply to Christian Charity or Ministries they do NOT hire but HIRE PROSPERITY PASTORS etc. – see the IRONY based on NON-MERIT HIRING on this FINANCIAL BIBLICAL RULES here? Dangerous):
“… 12Truly the SIGNS of AN APOSTLE were accomplished among you with all perseverance, in signs and wonders and mighty deeds. 13For what is it in which you were inferior to other churches, except that I MYSELF WAS NOT BURDENSOME to YOU? FORGIVE ME THIS WRONG! … And I WILL NOT BE BURDENSOME to YOU; FOR I DO NOT SEEK YOURS, but you. For the CHILDREN OUGHT NOT TO LAY UP FOR THE PARENTS, but PARENTS FOR THE CHILDREN.. 15And I WILL VERY GLADLY SPEND and be SPENT FOR YOUR SOULS; …”(2 Corinthians 12:11 – 16,NKJV)
The ”lower spiritual positions” (non apostles and non-prophets etc.) perhaps can “live from the Gospel” (meaning NEEDS NOT PROSPERITY) such as “Pastors or Teachers or Priests or Evangelists or anyone who preach the gospel” as other Verses point such as 1 Corinthians 9:14 – 15 says:
“…14Even so the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should live from the gospel. 15But I have used none of these things, nor have I written these things that it should be done so to me; for it would be better for me to die than that anyone should make my boasting void. …” (1 Corinthians 9:14 – 15, NKJV) This is NOT Pride but a BIBLE VERSE!
Slide 14 in Founders MINISTRY in Christianity – Sola Scriptura on Finance Rules which did NOT just apply on “Apostles” but also for ANYONE WHO PREACHES the GOSPEL to GAIN GREATER HEAVENLY REWARD (No special cases of “living in prosperity beyond needs especially with Church Money” written in 1 Corinthians 9:14 – 18).
This is important because if we do NOT go by BIBLE RULES there is NO CROWNING (2 Timothy 2:5) if ZEAL for GOD is without ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE (Romans 10:2) and LOVE defined here as USING CHURCH MONEY NOT for APOSTLES’ PROSPERITY even but also for OTHER CHURCH MEMBERS’ NEEDS including APOSTLE ST. PAUL WORKING SECULAR JOB NOT full time ministry as LEADERSHIP by EXAMPLE in FINANCE to PROVIDE for ONESELF and OTHERS (Truly humility is giving more & not receiving more finance) as one of the PROPHECY he gave in FINANCE ASPECT is that FALSE PROPHETS [Wolves] CANNOT LIVE this WAY (in Acts 20:29 – 36).
For those who say “Preaching Gospel is nothing to do with CHARITY DOCTRINE” remember this APOSTOLIC COMMAND agreed by ALL APOSTLES (and not selected few or for some Christians only to follow) in Galatians 2:9 – 10.
Where are the NON-EXISTENT LIVE in PROSPERITY with CHURCH MONEY BIBLE VERSES? I mean some PASTORS live like that WITHOUT even ONE NEW TESTAMENT BIBLE VERSE allowing it, can you SEE it?
If Bible WRITES these RULES, we FOLLOW, right? OBEDIENCE is BETTER than ANY SACRIFICE (1 Samuel 15:22) and ONLY CHURCH LEADERS who FOLLOW NEW TESTAMENT RULES, COMMANDS & TRADITIONS stand a CHANCE to be DOUBLE HONOURED as it’s specifically WRITTEN as FOCUS on “WORD or DOCTRINE” accuracy in “PREACHING & TEACHING” (Did you know? In 1 Timothy 5:17).
Let God Decide those who did it more accurately.
We CANNOT be jealous of others if we ourselves CANNOT use that same Church Money if given to us for “prosperity”, right?
Also some think that those PASTORS deserve PROSPERITY for PREACHING GOSPEL to them but BIBLE VERSE in 1 CORINTHIANS 9:16 SAYS PREACHING the GOSPEL is NOTHING to BOAST ABOUT unless BOASTING is ABOUT doing it FOR FREE in 1 CORINTHIANS 9:14, 15 and ONLY this TYPE is ELIGIBLE for GREAT REWARD when DONE for FREE (like St. Paul worked SECULAR JOB even) as 1 CORINTHIANS 9:18 REVEALS.
Please read each Verse Quoted carefully to see if I’m LYING or if YOU ARE LYING. Should be obvious and if BIBLE WRITES it, we OBEY as it is WRITTEN. We have LAWS.
Founders MINISTRY in Christianity (Slide 15) – Did you know when the FAMOUS Bible Verse about FALSE APOSTLES in CHRISTIANITY even was given together with Satan transforms into an “angel of light” & “doers of righteousness” too the MOST INTRIGUING PART which ONLY a FEW have NOTICED (Sola Scriptura even) is that IT is WRITTEN in FINANCE CONTEXT of GIVING GOSPEL THINGS FREE of CHARGE (2 Corinthians 11:7, compare with modern apostles ‘highly pricing their books even with little accuracy or are they more accurate than Apostle St. Paul who GIVES it FREE?’) and TAKING NEED from OTHERS due to CIRCUMSTANCE is still CONSIDERED ROBBERY to BUILD CHURCHES even but since it’s GOOD intention it’s ALLOWED but how about modern apostles building PROSPERITY & LUXURY for themselves & their families (in 2 Corinthians 11:8) and WHY the REAL APOSTLE St. PAUL (not me as I just present this EVIDENCE) is SO OBSESSED with REPEATING this FINANCE CONTEXT ONLY (no other topic mainly here, see?) in 2 Corinthians 11: 9 yet again to say if he COULD NOT PROVIDE the NEED only he took from OTHERS compared against modern apostles taking beyond needs and prosperity?
Basically Blessed Apostle St. Paul himself is PROPHESYING that FALSE APOSTLES & SATAN’s TYPE can DO “righteousness” too BUT they CANNOT do RIGHTEOUSNESS & APOSTLESHIP the CHARITY DOCTRINE WAY in BIBLE Verses (not opinions of men) below (can you see it if I’m lying or not? Read for yourselves & this Verse ties in context with 2 Corinthians 12:13 discussed in Slide 13/14 earlier; I don’t need to judge who is who & let GOD DECIDE but this is SCRIPTURE so BEST is to FOLLOW CHRIST):
“… 5For I consider that I am not at all inferior to the most eminent apostles. 6Even though I am untrained in speech, yet I am not in knowledge. But we have [b]been thoroughly manifested among you in all things. 7Did I commit sin in [c]humbling myself that you might be exalted, because I preached the gospel of God to you free of charge? 8I robbed other churches, taking wages from them to minister to you. 9And when I was present with you, and in need, I was a burden to no one, for what I lacked the brethren who came from Macedonia supplied. And in everything I kept myself from being burdensome to you, and so I will keep myself. 10As the truth of Christ is in me, no one shall stop me from this boasting in the regions of Achaia. 11Why? Because I do not love you? God knows! 12But what I do, I will also continue to do, that I may cut off the opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the things of which they boast. 13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works. …” (2 Corinthians 11:5 – 15, NKJV)
Comment: Notice that the FINANCIAL BOASTING of PREACHING GOSPEL for FREE & NOT taking NEEDS as much as POSSIBLE from others’ MONEY HELP is NOT called PRIDE but “SUCH BOASTING is TRUTH of CHRIST in me” as Apostle St. Paul writes in 2 Corinthians 11:10, can you see it? Also LOGIC is simple: If someone is unwilling to Preach or Live the Gospel unless they are PROMISED FINANCIAL PROSPERITY, then they were never true preachers of Gospel either or tainted with this financial sin heavily as Bible Writes heavily here. So may God Help us.
Slide 16 in Founders Powerpoint – The ONLY two BOASTING Scripture Allows as shown in Bible Verses in Slide 15 earlier is this:
1)PREACHING GOSPEL for FREE
2) NOT taking NEEDS as much as POSSIBLE from others’ MONEY HELP and work SECULAR JOB even as TENTMAKER as Blessed Apostle St. Paul did if needed due to lack of support etc.
Those who do against what is Written are PUFFED UP (1 Corinthians 4:6).
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“Christian Founders Ministry Powerpoint” which will be updated with info from time to time (beginning 9 May 2024 onward):
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1qnT4GtEV_1lUpGLZsMbCf1jRKqcRp3lL/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=117647441539375745387&rtpof=true&sd=true
290 Slides Free Powerpoint Link discussing variety of topics (Done as of April 2024):
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