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Possible Implications of NON-ELECT SALVATION Doctrine based on 2 ESDRAS and FIRST CHRISTIANITY

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“… When I say to the wicked, ‘O wicked man, you shall surely die!’ and YOU DO NOT SPEAK TO WARN THE WICKED FROM HIS WAY, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; BUT HIS BLOOD I WILL REQUIRE AT YOUR HAND. Nevertheless IF YOU WARN the WICKED to TURN FROM HIS WAY, and he does not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but YOU HAVE DELIVERED YOUR SOUL. …” (Ezekiel 33:8 – 9, NKJV)

 

This does not necessarily mean that the opposite positions to what we propose as the Safe Route Scripturally in this Book must we wrong but rather in some cases it could be so if God permitted it. However the risk of the opposite positions is still there because we prove our position with Bible Verses and the opposite positions usually pertain to New Modern Ways which some Christians have claimed that God told them do so especially based on the Progressive Revelation Movement which we do not support.

 

Since only God Knows whether their claims are true or not, we do not judge those Christians letting God Judge them alone. However, we also point out to them to have respect for these First Ways of the Church especially which are Written in Bible Verses because the Doctrinal Position we demonstrate is already Plainly Written in Holy Scripture and so it is already 100% Approved by New Testament Scripture and the First Churches which obeyed it are already Saved by Practicing it and that’s why we seek to Imitate Scripture likewise.  Big number of Christians following a Doctrine or believing in something is not necessarily a sign of Truth which is easy to prove for any Protestants since no matter what blessing or evangelism they claim, the Roman Catholics beat them in financial blessings to number of souls and so by that logic, does it justify Praying to Virgin Mary? So claiming such proofs is not Biblical but rather we point to Bible Verses only for each claim.

 

 

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A General Scenario: Imagine your country has majority of religion A and race B but a person of religion C and race D becomes its king by Democracy. So if that “king” comes and gives a testimony of his life, would you leave your religion and convert to that instead?

 

This is a reason “why” I do “not” believe in any “Prosperity” as a

“sign of truth”.

 

The “king” may be from subrace D1 while the others from his native country may be from subrace D2, D3, … where even among them they won’t support those of another subrace easily or if any from their subrace is not of the same religion of C, can you see it?

 

In fact, they won’t even allow subrace D2, D3, etc. to marry those of subrace D1 or some selected subrace only to do so. But despite such racism hidden within their own hearts even, they can be among the “richest” people in the world too. God Will Reveal everything One Day.

 

While people from race D or others wish to be “king” in the land of majority religion A and race B, in their own “native land/motherland” NO ONE from race B or others who do not believe in religion C will ever be a “king” there (in their “motherland”) by “democracy”, an irony isn’t it?

 

The only “Genuine Truth” here I see is that the people of majority religion A and race B have been able to PRACTICE JUSTICE beyond their own religion A and race B which itself puts them at a MORAL LEVEL that is UNSURPASSED by their other counterparts. The day the others can do similarly in not just “appointing a king” but also in “other matters of business and life” then they get closer to “God’s Truth”. Till then, it’s just a “prosperity game” which is an “illusion” which destroys one in the “spirit world”.

 

A similar thing can be seen in regards to “Prosperity Churches” vs “Poorer Churches” likewise in analogy.

 

That’s why Christ put the Command of PERFECTION not as “prosperity” but the CHARITY DOCTRINE:

 

“… 21JESUS said to him, “IF you want to be PERFECT, go, SELL what YOU HAVE and GIVE to the POOR, and YOU WILL HAVE TREASURE IN HEAVEN; and come, FOLLOW ME.” 22But when the young man heard that saying, he went away SORROWFUL, for he had GREAT POSSESSIONS. 23Then JESUS said to His disciples, “Assuredly, I say to you that it is HARD for a RICH MAN TO ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. 24And AGAIN I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. …” (Matthew 19:21 – 24, NKJV)

 

That’s why in CHRIST’s OWN WORDS here we see that the GREATEST NUMBER is “ZERO” for those who can do “ZERO PROSPERITY” of “… SELL what YOU HAVE and GIVE to the POOR, and YOU WILL HAVE TREASURE IN HEAVEN; and come, FOLLOW ME. …” which I CANNOT DO (so even a scrap of heaven or at the final new earth would suffice for me) but the Greatest Fathers of the Church the world has even known (as I have quoted say in the #SafeRouteScripturallyBook) have done it remarkably. Please note that letting go of wealth and living like a hermit does NOT count much if the “wealth was left to the family” earlier as that person by relative measure did NOT give anything to the poor. I mean the best is to give some to family and according to one’s ability give to the poor as well.

 

An Edifying Comment: Can the country of origin of such persons allow those NOT of same race NOR of same religion to hold such portfolio likewise? (or will they never vote for such even if the candidate is good? NOT just in POLITICS but any field too like for example in Education even they grab the “paying teaching opportunities to themselves instead of the candidate of best qualification among them even” as that’s their “moral level even toward same race but different religion” is only at that level of “prejudice” even. So, Let all Answer God One Day).

 

Conclusion

 

You see it is People who send themselves to “Hell” (even if “Eternal so be it”) due to “their own injustice and unholiness within them” as these few points in comparison itself shows.

 

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St. Ambrose of Milan seems to be very CONFIDENT of SUCH NON ELECT SALVATION from the LAKE of FIRE CONTEXT as his quotes next seem to point, right?

 

 

 

 

 

Source: https://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/sib/sib04.htm

 

 

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Keyword: “Lawlessness”

 

“… 14Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. … 21“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER in heaven. 22MANY will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we NOT PROPHESIED in Your name, CAST OUT DEMONS in Your name, and DONE MANY WONDERS in Your name?’ 23And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS!’. 24“Therefore WHOEVER HEARS THESE SAYINGS OF MINE, and DOES THEM, I will liken him to a WISE MAN who BUILT HIS HOUSE ON THE ROCK: …” – Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:14, 21 – 23, 24, NKJV)

 

Danger: The “MANY” Denied ones from a so called End Time Christianity on that Day could do many miracles or gifts (as they thought) such as ‘… Prophesying, Casting out Demons, Miracles or Wonders in HIS NAME …’ but the ONLY THING ALL OF THEM COULDN’T DO IS OBEY HIS “LAW” (New Testament Commands and Traditions) causing “LAWLESSNESS” by which they are Denied.

 

Note: These Denial Verses refers specifically to those MANY who are converted based on  ‘… Prophesying, Casting out Demons, Miracles or Wonders in HIS NAME …’  but with LAWLESSNESS. NO ONE IS DENIED FOR NOT PRACTICING THESE GIFTS either AS these SPIRITUAL GIFTS are OPTIONAL based on these Verses too:

 

“… 27Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. 28And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. 29Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are ALL WORKERS OF MIRACLES? 30DO ALL HAVE GIFTS OF HEALINGS? DO ALL SPEAK WITH TONGUES? Do all interpret? 31But earnestly desire the [i]best gifts. And YET I SHOW YOU A MORE EXCELLENT WAY. …” (1 Corinthians 12:27 – 30, NKJV)

 

Safe Route Scripturally: No matter how highly they exact themselves claiming these gifts please remember this one thing: BLESSED MARTIN LUTHER (the FIRST PROTESTANT whom even they must agree is both above them and is saved) himself DID NOT Practice any of these gifts as he was a CESSATIONIST  and also PREACHED OBEDIENCE TO ALL THESE NEW TESTAMENT COMMANDS including the TRADITIONS too and so WE WILL NEVER be condemned either for following this route even as discussed in links below:

 

1) Mystery of a Possible Fatal Error in Doctrine for Christians to be Denied from the First Resurrection as the Foolish Virgins with Blessed Martin Luther as the Comparison Example

 

https://www.facebook.com/651792783/posts/10161481458932784/

 

2) Mystery of Our own righteousness vs God’s Righteousness with Emphasis on the Life of Blessed Charles Spurgeon the Prince of Preachers

 

https://www.facebook.com/651792783/posts/10161416382507784/

 

 

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Possible Implications of NON-ELECT SALVATION Doctrine based on 2 ESDRAS and FIRST CHRISTIANITY

 

Firstly, this part is the hardest part of theology for me because since Jewish Tradition claims that GOD HIMSELF instructed Prophet Ezra to allow a “Public Canon” (24 Books relabelled as 39 Books by Protestants, anyone can read) vs a “Secret Canon” (70 more Books, only the “WISE” to read) for the OLD TESTAMENT BOOKS as was discussed in previous post (last few preceding chapters in this book too), so we see a “similaroccurrence in the FIRST OLDEST  KNOWN BIBLE CANON in all of Christianity namely the MYSTERIOUS MURATORIAN CANON (or ROMAN CANON) of which only a FRAGMENT remains which likewise indicates some NEW TESTAMENT BOOKS (namely the 27 Books, or almost all of it to be in the PUBLIC CANON) while some other INSPIRED SCRIPTURE BOOKS are told to be “NOT READ in PUBLIC but KEPT SECRET” especially the SHEPHERD of HERMAS Writing (which is well preserved across Christianity) and the MYSTERIOUS APOCALYPSE of PETER book too.

 

Comment: I drew the analogy of some Books being made available in “Public Canon” vs some Books being made available in a “Secret (Hidden) Canon” as done in the Old Testament itself which gives credence to the “POSSIBILITY” likewise that such a thing could occur in this same way as this MURATORIAN CANON (the surviving Fragment of it) shows regarding the NEW TESTAMENT SCRIPTURE BOOKS above which includes clearly the following as the POSSIBLE SECRET BOOKS (as I focus on these to illustrate some “DOCTRINAL POSSIBILITIES” next):

 

  1. The Apocalypse of Peter

 

  1. The Shepherd of Hermas

 

  1. Book of 1Enoch as a strong Possible Candidate for the 70 Hidden Books which 2 Esdras 14:44 – 48 points

 

  1. Another Possible Candidate for the 70 Hidden Books which 2 Esdras 14:44 – 48 points could be the Apocalypse of Elijah too

 

  1. Other Possible First Christianity Scripture such as the Sibyline Oracles Book II and Epistle of the Apostles

Let’s consider each briefly next for the POSSIBLE Doctrine of non-ELECT SALVATION.

 

0) Muratorian Canon/Roman Canon Quotes (First Known Bible in Christianity)

 

  1. Muratorian Canon for the Apocalypse of Peter Acceptance in First Christianity

 

“… the APOCALYPSES also of John and PETER only do WE RECEIVE, though some amongst us will NOT HAVE THIS LATTER READ* in the CHURCH.” …” – Muratorian Cannon regarding the “Apocalypse of Peter” part

 

Source for quote above and (Image later):

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muratorian_fragment

 

 

 

  1. Muratorian Canon for the Shepherd of Hermas Acceptance in First Christianity

 

“… But HERMAS WROTE THE SHEPHERD “MOST RECENTLY IN OUR TIME “, in the city of Rome, while bishop Pius, his brother, was occupying the chair of the church of the city of Rome. And therefore it ought indeed to be read; but IT CANNOT BE READ PUBLICLY TO THE PEOPLE IN CHURCH either among the Prophets, whose number is complete, or among the Apostles, for it is after their time. …” – Muratorian Canon (Roman Canon, the Oldest Bible Known in Christianity quoting the ‘Shepherd of Hermas’ or the “Shepherd” highlight)

Source:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muratorian_fragment

 

Comment: The Muratorian (Roman) Canon clearly accepted both of these Writings as Authentic and as Scripture.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Muratorian Canon’s surviving Fragment’s List of Canonical Scripture Books

 

 

 

1) Apocalypse of Peter POSSIBLE Scripture with a NON-ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY

 

 

*Secrecy probably because its contents were not for “sinners” as a comment regarding the Salvation from the Lake of Fire (Gehenna) by God’s Great Mercy at the Prayers of Christians for them is ‘not to be easily known by all’ as Commanded to Apostle Peter during this Vision, to quote:

 

“… In the Ethiopic sources, there is a section following the main body of The Apocalypse of Peter that scholars like R.B. Bauckham consider to be a separate story written centuries later based on Chapter 14.[12] This separate story explains that in the end God will save all sinners from their plight in Hell: “My Father will give unto them all the life, the glory, and the kingdom that passeth not away, … It is because of them that have believed in me that I am come. It is also because of them that have believed in me, that, AT THEIR WORD, I SHALL HAVE PITY ON MEN ... ” Thus, in this additional story, sinners will finally be saved by the prayers of those in heaven. Peter then orders his son Clement not to speak of this revelation since GOD HAD TOLD PETER TO KEEP IT SECRET: [and God said]”… THOU MUST NOT TELL THAT WHICH THOU HEAREST UNTO THE SINNERS LEST THEY TRANSGRESS THE MORE, AND SIN “…”

 

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse_of_Peter

 

Note: We will see in Point 5 later that this is ‘not a later edition as this scholar suggests’ as even the ‘oldest Apocalypse of Peter fragment’ called the Rainer Fragment also contains this ‘Salvation from the Lake of Fire Prophecy’.

 

Every single Book listed in the Muratorian Cannon found its Way as Scripture in the Current New Testament Bible except for the “Apocalypse of Peter”. Isn’t this omission strange?

 

 

Note that the “Wisdom of Solomon” is only rejected by the Protestant churches only as non-Canonical (around the last 500 years) whilst the first church councils of the past all approved it as Scripture, to quote:

 

“… The Wisdom of Solomon is accepted as canonical by Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Oriental Orthodox churches and also by the Assyrian Church of the East. Most Protestants consider it apocryphal…”

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muratorian_fragment

 

 

Some scholars sometimes confuse you by claiming they are “not” sure which Apocalypse of Peter is meant pointing to a Gnostic Gospel of Peter could be referred or corrupted but with the isolated Ethiopic Church Tradition and Rainer Fragment Discovery (which was at the burial place of Christian monks if I’m not mistaken) proves clearly that this particular Apocalypse of Peter was referred to and this same APOCALYPSE OF PETER with this SALVATION from the LAKE OF FIRE PART is still SCRIPTURE in the ETHIOPIC TRADITION, example quote below:

 

“… There is a great deal more of the Ethiopic text, but it is very evidently of later date [the opinion of this scholar is refuted by the Rainer Fragment Discovery as Described in Point 5 next]; the next words are: … Next: ‘ The Father hath committed all judgement unto the Son.’ The destiny of sinners -their eternal doom- is more than Peter can endure: he appeals to Christ to have pity on them. And my Lord answered me and said to me: ‘Hast thou understood that which I said unto thee before? It is permitted unto thee to know that concerning which thou askest: but thou must not tell that which thou hearest unto the sinners lest they transgress the more, and sin.’ Peter weeps many hours, and is at last consoled by an answer which, though exceedingly diffuse and vague does seem to promise ultimate pardon for all: ‘My Father will give unto them all the life, the glory, and the kingdom that passeth not away,’ . . . ‘It is because of them that have believed in me that I am come. It is also because of them that have believed in me, that, at their word, I shall have pity on men.’ The doctrine that sinners will be saved at last by the prayers of the righteous is, rather obscurely, enunciated in the Second Book of the Sibylline Oracles (a paraphrase, in this part, of the Apocalypse), and in the (Coptic) Apocalypse of Elias (see post). Ultimately Peter orders Clement to hide this revelation in a box, that foolish men may not see it. The passage in the Second Book of the Sibylline Oracles which seems to point to the ultimate salvation of all sinners will be found in the last lines of the translation given below. The passage in the Coptic Apocalypse of Elias is guarded and obscure in expression, but significant. It begins with a sentence which has a parallel in Peter. The righteous will behold the sinners in their punishment, and those who have persecuted them and delivered them up. Then will the sinners on their part behold the place of the righteous and be partakers of grace. In that day will that for which the (righteous) shall often pray, be granted to them. That is, as I take it, the salvation of sinners will be granted at the prayer of the righteous.Compare also the Epistle of the Apostles, 40: ‘the righteous are sorry for the sinners, and pray for them…. And I will hearken unto the prayer of the righteous which they make for them.’…”

 

Source: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/apocalypsepeter-mrjames.html

 

The other Books such as Apocalypse of Elijah, Epistle of the Apostles, the Sibyline Oracles or Apocalypse of Peter, echoes Salvation from the Lake of Fire / Gehenna after a long time via the prayers of the righteous but these saved are not placed in the Abodes of the Righteous but lower parts possibly ‘on earth but outside the New Jerusalem City Habitation onward’ implying a NON-ELECT Salvation Possibility.

 

The Apocalypse of Peter was in the First Bibles of Christianity called the Roman/Muratorian Canon in the West and Codex Claromontanus in the East.

No canon earlier than the Muratorian Canon is known in Christianity. The Fact that later canons did not include it can be Explained by a statement found in the Muratorian Canon itself which states that it ought to be kept a Secret (especially since the Apocalypse of Peter itself has that Command in that it should be kept secret from sinners but not the righteous) as a similar command in the Muratorian Canon exists likewise for the Shepherd of Hermas.

These are rarely known facts which I present the Source quotes in the Apocalypse of Peter write up in link above. Hence it being secret is again similar to the ’70 secret books’ which is stated alongside the 24 books of the Old Testament to the wise only as Prophet Ezra himself was commanded likewise for a different set of books.

 

To quote:

“… The Muratorian fragment, the earliest existing list of canonical sacred writings of the New Testament, which is assigned on internal evidence to the last quarter of the 2nd century (c. 175–200), gives a list of works read in the Christian churches that is similar to the modern accepted canon; however, it also includes the Apocalypse of Peter. The Muratorian fragment states: “the Apocalypses also of John and Peter only do we receive, which some among us would not have read in church.” (It is interesting that the existence of other Apocalypses is implied, for several early apocryphal ones are known: see Apocalyptic literature.) …”

 

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse_of_Peter

 

Is the Christ Centered Universalism Part of the Apocalypse of Peter Authentic or of a later addition?

 

*The Rainer Text is the Oldest Discovered Text of the Apocalypse of Peter which Contains this Salvation from the Lake of Fire (Gehenna) Prophecy Silencing the ‘biased-ambiguous claims by scholars not in favour of it’ by some claiming without proof that this ‘salvation from lake of fire is a later addition in the Ethiopic’, to quote:

 

“… In the version of the text in the 3rd century Rainer Fragment, the earliest fragment of the text, Chapter 14 describes the salvation of those condemned sinners for whom the righteous pray. The sinners are saved out of Hell through their baptism in the Acherusian Lake. …” – Part of the Earliest Known First Christianity Version of the Apocalypse of Peter

 

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse_of_Peter

 

How well received was the Apocalypse of Peter in the first 500 years of Christianity (i.e. in “First Christianity”)?

 

“… The late second century church father Clement of Alexandria considered the Apocalypse of Peter to be holy scripture and is known to have quoted from it. The Muratorian Fragment, a list of canonical scripture composed in the Roman church in the last quarter of the second century, also includes Peter’s apocalypse, although with a disclaimer. It reads: “The Apocalypses of John and Peter only do we receive, which some among us would not have read in church.” Thus, the work was already well known in the late second century. The earliest date it could have been written is revealed by its use of 4 Esther, which was written about 100 C.E. This puts the probable writing of the Apocalypse of Peter somewhere in the first half of the second century C.E. The Catalogue Claromontanus, an eastern list of sacred Christian writings from the third century, also names the Revelation of Peter as scripture. Eusebius (c. 339 C.E.), in his Ecclesiastical History (iii., 25), mentions the Revelation of Peter along with the Acts of Paul and the Shepherd of Hermas as disputed books, while admitting elsewhere that Clement of Alexandria had quoted from it as scripture. Although the tide began to turn against it through the work of Athanasius (mid-fourth century) and others, Macarius Magnes (early fifth century) still cites the Apocalypse of Peter as scripture (Apocritica, iv., 6). By the mid-fifth century, however, it was clear that the work would not be accepted into the Christian canon. Though not condemned as heretical, it began to be included in lists of the New Testament apocrypha, where it remains today. …”

 

Source:  https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Apocalypse_of_Peter

 

 

 

Comment: As you saw, the quote in image is misleading as the Muratorian Canon is “not” saying that it’s “not” received by all but ONLY THAT they ALL RECEIVE IT even though SOME WILL NOT want a PUBLIC READING of it in CHURCH. Can you see the original wording?

 

 

2)  Shepherd of Hermas POSSIBLE SCRIPTURE with a NON-ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY

 

Example Approval Summary:

Shepherd of Hermas which was considered Scripture-Level in First Christianity by even St. Irenaeous of Lyons (Hearer/Disciple of St. Polycarp an apostolic father being the direct disciple of Apostle St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation) , Tertullian (father of Latin Christianity), Pope Callixtus I (Head of the entire Roman Catholic Church in his time in First Christianity), St. Clement of Alexandria (head of the Cathecatical School of Alexandria) and even the First Bibles of Christianity (the Muratorian or Roman Canon in the West & the Codex Claromontanus Canon in the East) while Eusebius (father of Church History) and St. Athanasius the Great (father of orthodoxy & Champion of Trinity) approved of its use for catechumens is discussed further with proof quotes or sources with links  on Page 61 onward in #EternalHellAnnihilationandUniversalismBook or in full, the Book Titled “Eternal Hell Annihilation and Universalism in Christianity – Can all three be true A Look with the Apostolic Fathers”  in pdf (free download/viewing) in link below:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1N5bK-LoBAg4VQN8eLtVWsqkQyoGE0Ad_/view?usp=sharing

 

Here’s the POSSIBLE NON-ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILTY Described as a SALVATION OUTSIDE the TOWER (CHURCH):

 

“… “Now the other stones which you saw cast far away from the tower, and falling upon the public road and rolling from it into pathless places, are those who have indeed believed, but through doubt have abandoned the true road. Thinking, then, that they could find a better, they wander and become wretched, and enter upon pathless places. But those which fell into the fire and were burned? are those who have departed for ever from the living God; nor does the thought of repentance ever come into their hearts, on account of their devotion to their lusts and to the crimes which they committed. Do you wish to know who are the others which fell near the waters, but could not be rolled into them? THESE ARE THEY WHO HAVE HEARD THE WORD, and WISH TO BE BAPTIZED in the name of the Lord; but when the chastity demanded by the truth comes into their recollection, they draw back, and AGAIN WALK AFTER THEIR OWN WICKED DESIRES.” She FINISHED her EXPOSITION of the TOWER. But I, shameless as I yet was, asked her, “IS REPENTANCE POSSIBLE FOR ALL THOSE STONES WHICH HAVE BEEN CAST AWAY and DID NOT FIT INTO THE BUILDING of the TOWER, AND WILL THEY YET HAVE A PLACE IN THIS TOWER?” “REPENTANCE,” said she, “IS YET POSSIBLE, BUT IN THIS TOWER [of Repentance*] THEY CANNOT FIND A SUITABLE PLACE. But in another and MUCH INFERIOR PLACE THEY WILL BE LAID, and that, too, ONLY WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN TORTURED AND COMPLETED THE DAYS OF THEIR SINS. And on this account will they be transferred, because they have PARTAKEN of the RIGHTEOUS WORD. And then only will they be removed from their punishments when the THOUGHT of REPENTING of the evil deeds which they have done has come into their hearts. But if it does not come into their hearts, they will not be saved, on account of the hardness of their heart.” …” – Shepherd of Hermas (Chapter VII, Third Vision, Translated by another Well Known Scholar Mr. Roberts-Donaldson)

 

Source:  http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/shepherd.html

 

The part in quote above which proves non-Elect salvation Outside the “Tower = Church” here: “… “REPENTANCE,” said she, “IS YET POSSIBLE, BUT IN THIS TOWER THEY CANNOT FIND A SUITABLE PLACE. But in another and MUCH INFERIOR PLACE THEY WILL BE LAID, and that, too, ONLY WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN TORTURED AND COMPLETED THE DAYS OF THEIR SINS.  …”.

 

How do we know that the Context of “Tower” here Parabolically refers to the “Tower of Repentance”?  It’s Described earlier as follows ‘Tower [of Repentance]’ = ‘the Church’ = ‘the Elect Salvation’ so the Salvation described earlier must be a ‘Salvation OUTSIDE the  TOWER (Church) in ANOTHER PLACE MUCH MORE INFERIOR, hence NON-ELECT SALVATION’ if these are read ‘as it is Written’ here and ‘Compared’, to quote:

 

“…  “Many indeed shall hear, and hearing, some shall be glad, and some shall weep. But even these, if they hear and repent, shall also rejoice. Hear, then, the PARABLES of the TOWER; for I will reveal all to you, and give me no more trouble in regard to revelation: for these revelations have an end, for they have been completed. But you will not cease praying for revelations, for you are shameless. The TOWER which you see building is myself, THE CHURCH, who have appeared to you now and on the former occasion. Ask, then, whatever you like in regard to the tower, and I will reveal it to you, that you may rejoice with the saints.”  …” – Shepherd of Hermas (Chapter III, Third Vision, Translated by another Well Known Scholar Mr. Roberts-Donaldson)

 

Source:  http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/shepherd.html

 

  1. Book of 1Enoch as a strong Possible Candidate for the 70 Hidden Books which 2 Esdras 14:44 – 48 points as POSSIBLE SCRIPTURE with a NON-ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY

 

Book of 1Enoch’s ‘Salvation with NO HONOUR’ with ‘BELIEVING AFTER SEEING’ POSSIBILITY to be offered on ‘Judgment Day’ hence must be a TYPE OF NON-ELECT POSSIBILITY if True

 

“… 1 And in those days a change shall take place for the holy and elect, And the light of days shall abide upon them, And glory and honour shall turn to the holy, 2 ON THE DAY OF AFFLICTION on which evil shall have been treasured up against the sinners.And the righteous shall be victorious in the name of the Lord of Spirits: And HE WILL CAUSE THE OTHERS TO WITNESS (this) THAT THEY MAY REPENT And FORGO THE WORKS OF THEIR HANDS. 3 They shall have NO HONOUR through the name of the Lord of Spirits, YET THROUGH HIS NAME SHALL THEY BE SAVED [Joel 2:32, Romans 10:13, Matthew 12:21], And THE LORD OF SPIRITS WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON THEM, For His compassion is great. 4 And He is righteous also in His judgement, And in the presence of His glory unrighteousness also shall not maintain itself: At HIS JUDGEMENT THE UNREPENTANT SHALL PERISH before Him. 5 And FROM HENCEFORTH I will have NO MERCY on them, saith the Lord of Spirits. …” (Book of 1Enoch, Chapter 50)

 

Translation Source: http://wesley.nnu.edu/index.php?id=2126

 

In the #EternalHellAnnihilationandUniversalismBook also, I have quoted a possible explanation for a Salvation to be POSSIBLE AFTER the LAKE of FIRE using some other quotes from this same Book of 1Enoch in Pages 144 to 148  if keen. Example quote:

 

“… And in PROPORTION as the BURNING of THEIR BODIES becomes SEVERE, a corresponding CHANGE shall take place in THEIR SPIRIT FOR EVER and EVER; 10 for before the Lord of Spirits NONE SHALL UTTER AN IDLE WORD….” – Book of 1Enoch (Chapter 67:9)

 

This is to try to understand these Bible Verses:

“… To deliver such an one unto Satan for the DESTRUCTION of the FLESH, that THE SPIRIT MAY BE SAVED in the DAY of the LORD JESUS .. …” (1 Corinthians 5:5, KJV)

“… 6For this reason the GOSPEL was PREACHED also to those who are DEAD, that they might be JUDGED according to men in the FLESH, but LIVE according to God in the SPIRIT. …” (1 Peter 4:6, NKJV)

 

  1. Another Possible Candidate for the 70 Hidden Books which 2 Esdras 14:44 – 48 points could be the Apocalypse of Elijah too as POSSIBLE SCRIPTURE with a NON-ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY

 

” … 27.Those who belong to the righteous and … will see the sinners and those who persecuted them and those who handed them over to death in their torments.. Then the sinners [ in torment ] will see the place of the righteous. And thus GRACE WILL OCCUR. In THOSE DAYS, that which the RIGHTEOUS will ASK for MANY TIMES WILL BE GIVEN to them. …” – Apocalypse of Elijah (Veses 27 – 29)

 

Source:

http://www.3-in-1.net/Pseudepigrapha/Apocalypse%20of%20Elijah/The%20Apocalypse%20of%20Elijah.htm

 

 

Some Christians ask: How can Salvation from the Lake of Fire be “Fair or Justice” if it is “not” Eternal? The Answer may be found in the Apocalypse of Elijah Quote above itself where the REASON if such a SALVATION is POSSIBLE is Given as ‘… the righteous …’ who ‘… will ASK for MANY TIMES …’ are asking for THE SAME SINNERS who “…  persecuted them and those who handed them over to death in their torments  …” earlier.

 

 

In Simple words, this Salvation can ONLY be ASKED by THOSE SPECIFIC RIGHTEOUS who an ASK ONLY for THOSE SPECIFIC SINNERS in HELL who earlier in life HAVE MADE THESE SAME  RIGHTEOUS SUFFER or even DIE in their hands. Now, that is VERY LOGICAL.

 

 

So, there is NO FORCING of  FORGIVENESS required and so as  a CHRISTIAN if you see SOMEONE in HELL who have HURT YOU or TORTURED YOU in SOME WAY or DID EVIL to you or even KILLED YOU, you can decide whether to FORGIVE THEM from ETERNAL HELL or not BY PRAYER to GOD AT THAT TIME (if this Prophecy Writing is True) in principle of the Verse below:

 

“… 21So JESUS SAID to them again, “Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” 22And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23IF YOU FORGIVE THE SINS OF ANY, THEY ARE FORGIVEN THEM; IF YOU RETAIN THE SINS OF ANY, THEY ARE RETAINED.” …” (John 20:21 – 23, NKJV)

 

Again, please always bear in mind that I am “NOT” saying that this must be true 100% but rather I present a case ASSUMING a POSSIBILITY if this WRITING TURNS OUT TO BE TRUE ON JUDGMENT DAY.

 

  1. Other Possible First Christianity Scripture such as the Sibyline Oracles Book II and Epistle of the Apostles as POSSIBLE SCRIPTURE with a NON-ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY

 

In the Bible, we find the following Mysterious Verse that for FORTY DAYS the RISEN CHRIST was with the APOSTLES and TAUGHT them things but unfortunately, nothing specifically is pointed to clearly in other Bible Verses either REGARDING this TIME PERIOD:

 

“… to whom He also presented HIMSELF ALIVE after His suffering by many infallible proofs, BEING SEEN BY THEM DURING FORTY DAYS and SPEAKING of the THINGS PERTAINING to the KINGDOM OF GOD. …” (Acts 1:3, NKJV)

 

These type of ‘time gaps’ sometimes is used by heretics to create their own theories. That’s why when I consider “POSSIBILITIES”, I only quote from ORTHODOX sources AT SOME PERIOD OF TIME IN FIRST CHRISTIANITY and NEVER A HERETIC.

 

Such is the Mysterious ‘Epistle of Apostles’ Writing which tradition claims that it REVEALS some of the DIALOGUES CHRIST could have had with HIS DISCIPLES during this 40 DAYS Time Period AFTER HIS RESURRECTION if this Writing is True (where this ‘Epistle/Letter of the Apostles’ is considered part of Scripture in the isolated Orthodox Ethiopic Church, the same way they view the Salvation from the Lake of Fire containing Apocalypse of Peter of their version likewise as Scripture as well), example quote:

 

“…  Other apocrypha survive in full only in Geʽez because of their significance in Ethiopic Judaism and Christianity, including: Ascension of Isaiah (survives in fragments in Greek, Coptic, Latin, and Church Slavic), LETTER OF THE APOSTLES (survives in fragments in Coptic and Latin), APOCALYPSE OF PETER (survives in fragments in Greek) Kebra Nagast (as discussed). As seen, Ethiopic Jewish and Christian communities preserved these works as major parts of their traditions, although they had been overlooked in other communities for centuries. …”

Source:

https://brandonwhawk.net/2021/03/22/ethiopian-biblical-canons-and-apocrypha/

 

Note: The “LETTER OF THE APOSTLES” = “Epistle of the Apostles” as Letter means Epistle.

 

Here’s Epistle of the Apostles’ Quote regarding the SALVATION from the LAKE of FIRE after the PRAYERS of the RIGHTEOUS for it as a type of NON-ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY

 

“… The heavy laden shall be saved, and they that are GONE ASTRAY SHALL GO ASTRAY FOR EVER. They shall be chastised and tormented in their flesh and in their soul. 40 And we said unto him: O Lord, verily we are sorrowful for their sake. And HE SAID UNTO US: Ye do rightly, FOR THE RIGHTEOUS ARE SORRY for the SINNERS, and PRAY FOR THEM, MAKING PRAYER UNTO MY FATHER. Again we said unto him: Lord, is there none that maketh intercession unto thee (so Eth.)? And HE SAID UNTO US: YEA, AND I WILL HEARKEN UNTO THE PRAYER OF THE RIGHTEOUS WHICH THEY MAKE UP FOR THEM …” (Epistle of the Apostles, Coptic, Points 39 – 40 in full)

 

Source: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/apostolorum.html

 

Comments:

 

  1. The HELL Judgment Sentence is FOR EVER.

 

  1. However, the RIGHTEOUS PRAY that the SENTENCE may be CANCELLED in some way.

 

iii. If this Writing is True, it Reveals that CHRIST only ANSWERS the RIGHTEOUS’ PRAYERS for such SINNERS to be SAVED from this FINAL HELL (or Gehenna/Lake of Fire/ implied by Context of Conversation here) IF THE RIGHTEOUS ASK/PRAY for IT AT THAT TIME.

 

  1. By the Apocalypse of Elijah Writing earlier, we see that this could be logical if a righteous can only ask for the specific sinner(s) who hurt them, caused them trouble or even persecuted and killed them in some way.

In light of this, if the so called ‘Christian Universalists’ really want to try it, may they LIVE out say the CHARITY DOCTRINE LIFESTYLE willingly to be USED and PERSECUTED or even ABUSED and KILLED for the GOSPEL COMMANDS of DOING GOOD and one day, they can earn the right to ASK for this SALVATION from HELL FOR THOSE WHO USED, ABUSED, PERSECUTED and KILLED THEM (if they are really keen to try). If not, it’s just some ‘empty love claim’ whilst living in prosperity watching others suffer and enjoying sin type of hypocrisy.

 

  1. Just because the righteous ask for the Salvation of the Damned, it may not be granted as GOD STILL HAS THE FINAL WORD in every case and that’s why I say, whatever HE DECIDES on THAT DAY, we ACCEPT IT.

 

Is the Epistle of the Apostles Writing Trustworthy?

 

The only argument often used against this Epistle of the Apostles writing is that it seems to predict Christ’s Return within 150 years but that’s not telling the whole story honestly as explained below, to quote:

 

“… One of the reasons that the text probably fell into disuse by the mainstream churches is that its claim that the Second Coming shall be 150 years after the time of the vision to the apostles obviously failed to occur. Whether the text was ever considered heretical by the Catholic churches is unknown, as there are no clear references to it in the extant ancient Christian literature. However, the Ethiopian Orthodox Church evidently accepted it as basic orthodoxy. …”

 

Source:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistula_Apostolorum

 

Explanation, let’s look at the ‘actual quote’:

 

“… 16 Then said we to him: Lord, that which thou hast revealed unto us (revealest, Eth.) is great. Wilt thou come in the power of any creature or in an appearance of any kind ? (In what power or form wilt thou come? Eth.) He answered and said unto us: Verily I say unto you, I shall come like the sun when it is risen, and my brightness will be seven times the brightness thereof! The wings of the clouds shall bear me in brightness, and the sign of the cross shall go before me, and I shall come upon earth to judge the quick and the dead. 17 We said unto him: Lord, after how many years shall this come to pass ? He said unto us: When the hundredth part and the twentieth part is fulfilled, between the Pentecost and the feast of unleavened bread, then shall the coming of my Father be (so Copt.: When an hundred and fifty years are past, in the days of the feast of Passover and Pentecost, &c., Eth.: . . . (imperfect word) year is fulfilled, between the unleavened bread and Pentecost shall be the coming of my Father, Lat.). …” – Epistle of the Apostles (Verses 16 – 17)

Please notice carefully that the Ethiopic one (which is the most complete, which we are referring to primarily) does not have the ‘one hundred fifty years statement’ (as that’s by the ‘Coptic Version only’). In fact, the Ethiopic one having an (imperfect word) or the phrase ‘When the hundredth part and the twentieth part is fulfilled’ may just be a parabolic answer to the ‘exact undetermined years’. What can the phrase ‘ the hundredth part and the twentieth part’ mean parabolically? Verse:

 

“And the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” (Genesis 6:3, NKJV)

 

 

We know that Genesis 6:3 above cannot refer to the literal age only because for example ‘Jeanne Calment (1875–1997) of France, who lived to the age of 122 years’ has exceeded God’s Limit*. So a possible ‘allegorical’ interpretation alongside it could be that the “one hundred years [part] and twenty years [part]” as a limit to man’s age could be referring to man’s free will/choice on earth till God Returns to Judge the World as alluded by the Mysterious Verse in the Epistle of the Apostles (Verses 16 – 17) above. In other words, if we take Genesis 6:3 not to mean literally as some men have exceeded that lifespan, then we need not take Epistle of the Apostles (Verses 16 – 17)’s counting literally either but parabolic too especially since these two “share the same numbers” and “context of years for man’s existence” possibly before God Reveals Himself – Can you see it?

 

*Source:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_verified_oldest_people

 

How was this Text viewed in Ancient Christianity and when was it rediscovered?

 

“… The text is commonly dated to the 2nd century, perhaps towards the middle of it. [1] CE Hill (1999) dates the Epistle to “just before 120, or in the 140s” and places “… the Epistula in Asia Minor in the first half of the second century.” [2] The text was used regularly by the relatively isolated Ethiopian Orthodox Church, and was evidently not considered heretical. The work was lost to the West until 1895 when major portions of it were discovered in the Coptic language and a complete version translated into Ethiopic was discovered and published in the early 20th century.[3] The fragmentary Coptic manuscript of the 5th or 4th century, is believed to be translated directly from the original Greek. One leaf of a Latin palimpsest, dating to the 5th century has also been identified as deriving from the same text.[4] … The text is framed as a letter from the 11 apostles to the worldwide church, as a report from Jesus involving a dialogue between them and Jesus, which occurs between Jesus’s resurrection and ascension.[5] The first 20% (10 chapters) begins by describing the nativity, resurrection, and miracles of Jesus, this framing is only done extremely superficially.The remainder of the text recounts a vision and dialogue between Jesus and the apostles, consisting of about sixty questions, and 41 short chapters. The text is by far the largest epistle in either the New Testament or Apocrypha. …”

 

Source:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistula_Apostolorum

 

and

 

“… . No ancient writer mentions it [by Name], and very few traces of its use can be found: the (third ?)-century poet Commodian seems to use it in one place (see 11). There has so far been no English rendering of the text; my version depends on Schmidt and Guerrier. In the Ethiopic version another writing, a prophecy of our Lord concerning the signs of the end, is prefixed to the Epistle. Parts of the this recur in the Syriac Testament of the Lord and part is repeated in the Epistle itself. It is noteworthy that this prophecy ends with a passage which is identical with one quoted by Clement of Alexandria from a source he does not name he does not name – only calling it ‘the Scripture’. … A similar passage is in the Apostolic Constitutions, vii. 22. On the possible derivation from the Apocalypse of Elias see my Lost Apocrypha of O.T., p. 54. … ”

 

Source:  http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/apostolorum.html

 

How about the Christian Jewish Sibyline Oracles?

 

1) St. Justin Martyr

St. Justin Martyr Commanded to not only read it but preach it even though only a ‘few’ may be persuaded by it he says:

 

To quote:

“But by the agency of the devils death has been decreed against those who read the books of Hystaspes, or of the SIBYL, or of the prophets, that through fear they may prevent men who read them from receiving the knowledge of the good, and may retain them in slavery to themselves; which, however, they could not always effect. For not only do we fearlessly read them, but, as you see, bring them for your inspection, knowing that their contents will be pleasing to all. And if we persuade even a few, our gain will be very great; for, as good husbandmen, we shall receive the reward from the Master.” – St. Justin Martyr (First Apology)

Translation Source:

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/justinmartyr-firstapology.html

 

 

Note: the “SYBIL” St. Justin Martyr refers to in the quote above refers to this class of SIBYLINE ORACLES Books.

 

 

 

2) St. Clement of Alexandria

 

St. Clement of Alexandria Reveals that Apostle Paul himself commanded a Christian to read the SIBYL too ‘in a verbal tradition*’ in the CONTEXT of FUTURE PROPHECIES too (and hence the SIBYLINE ORACLES Salvation from the Lake of Fire Prophecy [quoted later] is a NON-ELECT Salvation DOCTRINAL POSSIBILITY)

 

To quote:

 

“… Take also the Hellenic books, READ THE SIBYL, how it is shown that God is one, and HOW THE FUTURE IS INDICATED. And taking Hystaspes, read, and you will find much more luminously and distinctly the Son of God described, and how many kings shall draw up their forces against Christ, hating Him and those that bear His name, and His faithful ones, and His patience, and His coming. …” – Apostle St. Paul’s Verbal Command (as reiterated by – Blessed St. Clement of Alexandria, Head of the First Oldest Bible School in all of Christianity, the Cathecathical School At Alexandria, Teacher of Origen  (c. 150 AD – c. 215 AD), Stromata, VI.5; 43, 1 (p. 453, 3 Stählin), quotation of Paul the Apostle, but otherwise unknown)

Source: http://www.bombaxo.com/2007/10/24/the-oracle-of-hystaspes/

 

 

*Verbal Tradition is mentioned in Bible Verse below by Apostle St. Paul though no one can confirm nor deny St. Clement of Alexandria’s quote above regarding this and so it remains a “POSSIBILITY” only too:

 

 

 

“Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle. ” (2 Thessalonians 2:15, KJV)

 

 

“So then, brethren, STAND FIRM and HOLD TO THE TRADITIONS which you were taught, whether by WORD of MOUTH or BY LETTER from us.” – Blessed Apostle St. Paul (2 Thessalonians 2:15, NASB)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3) Lactantius

Lactantius, Epitome, 73:

 

“… Wherefore, since all these things are true and certain, in harmony with the predicted announcement of the prophets, since Trismegistus and Hystaspes and THE SIBYLS HAVE FORETOLD THE SAME THINGS, it cannot be doubted that all hope of life and SALVATION is placed in the religion of God alone. …” – Blessed Lactantius, Advisor to Emperor Constantine and Instructor to his Son, also sometimes called the Last Great Literary Defender of Chiliasm Doctrine in the Early Church (c. 250 – c. 325, Epitome 73)

Source: http://www.bombaxo.com/2007/10/24/the-oracle-of-hystaspes/

 

4) Other Early Authoritative Church Leaders

Which other authoritative Church Leaders from First Christianity endorsed the SIBYL (Sibyline Oracles) as a ‘Christian Prophecy’ regarding understanding the Book of Revelation too?

 

To quote:

 

“The SIBYLS themselves, and the so-called SIBYLINE ORACLES, were often referred to by other early Church fathers; Theophilus, Bishop of Antioch (ca. 180), Clement of Alexandria (ca. 200), Lactantius (ca. 305), and Augustine (ca. 400), all knew various versions of the pseudo-Sibylline collections, quoted them or referred to them in paraphrase, and were unreluctant to Christianize them.”

 

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibylline_Oracles

 

Note: Even every Protestant’s and Roman Catholic’s favourite saint Blessed St. AUGUSTINE OF HIPPO has quoted the SIBYLINE ORACLES in his writings and so we too can consider it as a “POSSIBILITY” likewise and “not” be unsaved.

 

 

 

5) Book II

 

How about Book II which speaks of the Reconciliation from the Lake of Fire Interpretation for possibly Revelation 22:17’s Context?

To quote:

“… Books I and II are regarded as a Christian revision of a Jewish original … Books I, II, XI, XII, XIII, and XIV received their present form from a Christian…”

 

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibylline_Oracles

 

6) Universal Salvation Passage in Book II

Salvation (Reconciliation) from the Lake of Fire Context for Revelation 22:17 toward ‘anyone thirsty from the Lake of Fire too’:

“… And to the pious will the almighty God

405 Imperishable grant another thing,

 

When they shall ask the imperishable God:

 

That he will suffer men from raging fire

 

And endless gnawing anguish to be saved;

 

And this will he do. For hereafter he

 

410 Will pluck them from the restless flame, elsewhere. Remove them, and for his own people’s sakeSend them to other and eternal life With the immortals, in Elysian field, …”

Translation Source: https://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/sib/sib04.htm

I repeat with Emphasis:

“… for a long day will God make. And to the pious will the Almighty God 405 Imperishable grant another thing, When they shall ask the imperishable God: That He [God] will suffer [SAVE] men from RAGING FIRE And ENDLESS GNAWING ANGUISH to be SAVED; And THIS WILL HE [God] DO. For hereafter He [God] 410 Will PLUCK THEM [Wicked] from the RESTLESS FLAME, elsewhere REMOVE THEM [Wicked, the ‘thirsty’ from the ‘Lake of Fire’], and for His own people’s sake [His Bride, Revelation 22:17] Send them to OTHER [Outside Regions of the Kingdom of the Heavens, Matthew 5:19] and ETERNAL LIFE WITH THE IMMORTALS, in Elysian field, …” (Sibyline Oracles, Book II, 297-322, p. 51)

 

 

7) Authority of Doctrine?

Example of a Common Objection

‘The oracles may have been accepted by various Christians does not make them authoritative. There were all sorts of heresies that many Christians believed – but that didn’t make them true. If the oracles were authoritative, God would have assured their inclusion in the canon of scripture. Otherwise, we’re all free to add any mixed bag of nonsense that happens to tickle our fancy: Mormon, JWs, New Age, you name it. Who is to say what you’ve embraced is any more authoritative than what anyone else has decided to mingle with scripture, or replace scripture with? Without an anchor for what is authoritative, anything goes.’

 

Reply

Sibyline oracles has more credence than following church leaders private interpretation and it was accepted in First Christianity (1st to 3rd century) before man made teachings interpreted the Lake of Fire Revelation 22:17 differently. It’s authoritative as even the eternal Hell commentator on it in the early century acknowledges that passage & denies its content by condemning Origen of Alexandria explicitly to teach it as you can read this ‘added commentary’ from the same link above as follows:

 

‘… 404-416.–This passage, which savors of a final restoration from future punishment, has been thought to be contrary to orthodox teaching; and we find appended to some manuscripts the following lines, headed, “Contradiction of the ‘To the pious will the Almighty,'” and professedly a disproof of the doctrine of Origen on this subject:

 

False manifestly; for the penal fire

Shall never cease from those who are condemned.

For also I might pray to have it thus,

Branded with greatest scars of trespasses,

Which need more kindness. But let Origen

Of his presumptuous babble be ashamed,

Saying there shall be end of punishments.   …’ – The Latter ETERNAL HELL believing Scribe’s Comments

 

Source: https://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/sib/sib04.htm

Comment: The Latter ETERNAL HELL believing Commentator/Scribe who preserves this writing APPROVES this PART OF THE SALVATION of the LAKE of FIRE part as an AUTHENTIC SIBYLINE PROPHECY for CHRISTIANS but JUST DENIES that interpretation. Can you see it? This comment is NOT found in all the manuscripts but some only as ‘… we find appended to some manuscripts the following lines  …’ in the above quote proving it as a commentary. He probably views it as Purgatory or something else. But reading that passage literally, doesn’t it seem to Point to a Literal Salvation from the Lake of Fire after the Prayers of the Righteous as per the other Writings quoted earlier?

So, in the own commentator as preserved by the eternal hell camp thereafter, clearly endorses both the Sibyline Oracle and that passage as authentic but just denies the plain meaning.

Later councils only endorsed things worthy to be in the Bible but that does not mean that they denied other Christian writings such as the Shepherd of Hermas and Sibyline oracles are never been denied by any church council and some early Christianity quotes (even presented here including ST. AUGUSTINE OF HIPPO even endorse it some way).

 

So though I present the case strongly, I am “not” sure 100% but being neutral is best as “JUDGE NOTHING BEFORE ITS TIME” (1 Corinthians 4:5) and I prefer the Safe Route Scripturally like this lest I say something against any POSSIBLE Scripture and end up committing the UNFORGIVABLE BLASPHEMY of the HOLY SPIRIT (Matthew 12:31 – 32) and WHATEVR GOD DECIDES ONE DAY, I ACCEPT IT.

Peace to you

 

 

 

 

Possible Implications of Doctrine based on the FIRST KJV 1611 Apocrypha Alone

 

 

Firstly, I did “not” say that this part must be Doctrine based on the TOBIT alone (as plenty of Bible Verses Testify to this including those Directly by CHRIST HIMSELF, e.g. Luke 11:39 – 41, Matthew 19:21 – 23, Luke 12:31 – 35, Matthew 25:31 – 46) but we can consider it as a “Possibility” as this could be the wise thing to do as it agrees with other Bible Verses even and especially those directly by Christ Himself.

 

  1. Book of TOBIT

 

Book of TOBIT (or also known as TOBIAS, from the First KJV 1611 Apocrypha)) emphasizes the Charity Doctrine for Eternal Life

 

St. Polycarp the Direct Disciple of St, John the Apostle Quotes Book of Tobit (Apocrypha) as “Scripture” for this “Almsgiving part”. It’s hard to imagine that a direct disciple of the Apostles can make a ‘mistake’ in this

 

“… STAND FAST, therefore, in these things, and FOLLOW THE EXAMPLE OF THE LORD, being firm and UNCHANGEABLE IN THE FAITH, loving the brotherhood, and being attached to one another, joined together in the truth, exhibiting the meekness of the Lord in your intercourse with one another, and despising no one. When YOU CAN DO GOOD, DEFER IT NOT, because “ALMS DELIVERS FROM DEATH.” [Tobit 12:9]” Be all of you subject one to another? having your conduct blameless among the Gentiles,” that YE MAY BOTH RECEIVE PRAISE FOR YOUR GOOD WORKS, and the Lord may not be blasphemed through you. But WOE TO HIM by whom the name of the Lord is blasphemed! Teach, therefore, sobriety to all, and manifest it also in your own conduct. …” – Blessed St. Polycarp, Bishop of Smryna, an Apostolic Father being the Disciple of the Blessed St. John the Apostle who wrote the Book of Revelation (c. 69 AD – c. 155 AD, CHAPTER X.–EXHORTATION TO THE PRACTICE OF VIRTUE, THE EPISTLE OF POLYCARP TO THE PHILIPPIANS)

Source: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/polycarp-roberts.html

St. Polycarp is quoting the Tobit section below:

“…  6 Then he said to them SECRETLY: Bless ye the God of heaven, give glory to him in the sight of all that live, because he hath shewn his mercy to you. 7 For it is good to hide the secret of a king: but honourable to reveal and confess the works of God. 8 PRAYER IS GOOD WITH FASTING AND ALMS MORE THAN to lay up treasures of gold: 9 For ALMS DELIVERETH from DEATH, and the same is that which PURGETH AWAY SINS, and maketh to FIND MERCY AND LIFE EVERLASTING. … 15 For I am the angel RAPHAEL, one of the seven who stand before the Lord. …” (Bible Scripture.Net Translation, Tobit 12:6 – 9, 15)

Source: https://biblescripture.net/Tobias.html

 

Another related TOBIT Verse to this

“… 7 GIVE GENEROUSLY to anyone who faithfully obeys God. If you are stingy in giving to the poor, God will be stingy in giving to you. 8 Give according to what you have. THE MORE YOU HAVE, THE MORE YOU SHOULD GIVE. Even if you have only a little, be sure to give something. 9 This is as good as money saved. You will have your reward in a time of trouble. 10-11 TAKING CARE OF THE POOR is the kind of offering that PLEASES GOD IN HEAVEN. DO THIS, and YOU WILL BE KEPT SAFE FROM THE DARK WORLD OF THE DEAD. …” (Good News Translation, Tobit 4:7 – 11)

Source: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Tobit+4&version=GNT

 

Comment: The only thing some modern protestants have against TOBIT is this Verse which they claim is teaching “sorcery”, where you can read the ‘other side’ argument in this link by the official KJV supporters too:

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Tobit-Chapter-6-Discussion/

 

“… 3Then the angel said unto him, Take the fish. And the young man laid hold of the fish, and drew it to land. 4To whom the angel said, Open the fish, and take the heart and the liver and the gall, and put them up safely. 5So the young man did as the angel commanded him; and when they had roasted the fish, they did eat it: then they both went on their way, till they drew near to Ecbatane. 6Then the young man said to the angel, Brother Azarias, to what use is the heart and the liver and the gal of the fish? 7And he said unto him, Touching the heart and the liver, if a devil or an evil spirit trouble any, we must make a smoke thereof before the man or the woman, and the party shall be no more vexed.8As for the gall, it is good to anoint a man that hath whiteness in his eyes, and he shall be healed. …” (Tobit 6:3 – 8, First KJV 1611 Apocrypha)

Source: https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Tobit-Chapter-6/

Here’s a simple explanation for this ‘risky claim*’ of theirs, to quote SOME SIMILAR EXAMPLES from the “66 Books Bible Itself”:

 

“… However, if this is a “magical practice”, then the canonical books of the Old Testament accepted by Protestant Christianity present several examples of “magical practice” recommended by angels and prophets of God.

“You shall take in your hand this rod, with which you shall do the signs.” Exodus 4:17

“and IF THE SPIRIT OF JEALOUSY comes upon him, and he is jealous of his wife who has defiled herself; or if the spirit of jealousy comes upon him, and he is jealous of his wife, though she has not defiled herself; then the man shall bring his wife to the priest, and bring the offering required of her, a tenth of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it and put no frankincense on it, for it is a ceral offering of jealousy, a cereal offering of remembrance, bringing iniquity to remembrance. And the priest shall bring her near, and set her before the LORD; and THE PRIEST SHALL TAKE HOLY WATER IN AN EARTHEN VESSEL, and TAKE SOME DUST THAT IS ON THE FLOOR of the tabernacle and PUT IT INTO THE WATER. And the priest shall set the woman before the LORD, and unbind the hair of the woman’s head, and place in her hands the cereal offering of jealousy. And in his hand the priest shall have the water of bitterness that brings the curse. Then the priest shall make her take an oath, saying, ‘If no man has lain with you, and if you have not turned aside to uncleanness, while you were under your husband’s authority, BE FREE FROM THIS WATER OF BITTERNESS THAT BRINGS THE CURSE. But if you have gone astray, though you are under your husband’s authority, and if you have defiled yourself, and some man other than your husband has lain with you, then’ (let the priest make the woman take the oath of the curse, and say to the woman) ‘the LORD make you an execration and an oath among your people, when the LORD makes your thigh fall away and your body swell; MAY THIS WATER THAT BRINGS THE CURSE PASS INTO YOUR BOWELS and MAKE YOUR BODY SWELL AND YOUR THIGH FALL AWAY.’ And THE WOMAN SHALL SAY, ‘AMEN, AMEN.’ Numbers 5:14-28.

 

“And GOD DID EXTRAORDINARY MIRACLES BY THE HANDS OF PAUL, so that HANDKERCHIEFS or APRONS were carried away from his body to the sick, and DISEASES LEFT them and the EVIL SPIRITS CAME OUT of them.” Acts 19:11-12. …”

Source: https://www.conservapedia.com/Book_of_Tobit

 

*’Risky Claim’: If TOBIT turns out to be Scripture on Judgment Day and that the Archangel Raphael himself Spoke those Verses in Tobit 6:3 – 8 earlier, then those ‘Christians’ even who speak against it risk either judgment or in worse case scenario the unforgivable Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit (as all Scripture can merit this danger when Spoken against in General). So the Wise thing to do is to be neutral and consider it as a possibility and let God Decide One Day as the phrase “Judge nothing before its time” allows in 1 Corinthians 4:5.

  1. WISDOM of SOLOMON

 

WISDOM of SOLOMON (First KJV 1611 Apocrypha) Speaks of the Special EUNUCH Faith

 

Again this Eunuch Type of Faith Doctrine is “not” dependent on this Wisdom of Solomon Book at all as the Bible Verses itself Testify to it as I have discussed say in the free pdf #MysteryoftheKingdomofHeavenBook in Pages 582 to 592 if keen in link below:

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-zX7XgzguBYHkXWucUZ6xfMInbwtj0Z3/view?usp=sharing

 

(example Bible Verses: Isaiah 56:4 – 5, 1 Samuel 21:4, Matthew 19:12, LEFT WIFE as Unmarried context too in Matthew 19:27 – 29, 1 Corinthians 7:7 – 8, 32 – 33, 38, Revelation 14:1, 3 – 4).

 

Example: Perhaps this has been echoed in this “Wisdom of Solomon” book likewise as God Quotes the Context of “… I WILL GIVE IN MY HOUSE And WITHIN MY WALLS A PLACE …” (in Isaiah 56:5) as follows:

 

“… [14] And BLESSED IS THE EUNUCH, which with his hands hath wrought no iniquity, nor imagined wicked things against God: for UNTO HIM SHALL BE GIVEN THE SPECIAL GIFT OF FAITH, and an INHERITANCE IN THE TEMPLE OF THE LORD more acceptable to his mind. …” (Wisdom of Solomon 3:14, KJV)

 

Source:  http://www.earlyjewishwritings.com/text/wisdom.html

 

Another related Quote:

 

“… [1] BETTER IT IS TO HAVE NO CHILDREN, AND TO HAVE VIRTUE: for the MEMORIAL THEREOF IS IMMORTAL: because it is known with God, and with men. [2] When it is present, men take example at it; and when it is gone, they desire it: it weareth a crown, and triumpheth for ever, having gotten the victory, STRIVING FOR UNDEFILED REWARDS. ….” (Wisdom of Solomon 4:1 – 2, KJV)

 

Source:  http://www.earlyjewishwritings.com/text/wisdom.html

  1. 2 ESDRAS

 

2 ESDRAS Teaches both the CHARITY DOCTRINE for FIRST PLACE in the RESURRECTION and also that THERE ARE 94 OLD TESTAMENT Scripture Books actually (70 Hidden), Verses:

 

“… 20 DO RIGHT TO THE WIDOW, JUDGE FOR THE FATHERLESS, GIVE TO THE POOR, DEFEND THE ORPHAN, CLOTHE THE NAKED, 21 Heal the broken and the weak, laugh not a lame man to scorn, defend the maimed, and let the blind man come into the sight of my clearness. 22 KEEP THE OLD AND YOUNG WITHIN THY WALLS. 23 Wheresoever thou findest the dead, take them and bury them, and I WILL GIVE THEE THE FIRST PLACE IN MY RESURRECTION. …” (2 Esdras 2:20 – 23, KJV)

 

Source: https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/2-Esdras-Chapter-2/

 

 

“… 38 So it happened to me on the next day that a voice called me: “Ezra, open your mouth and drink what I give you to drink.” 39 So I opened my mouth, and a full cup was set before me. It was full of something like water, but its color was like fire. 40 I took it and drank, and when I had drunk it my heart poured forth understanding, and wisdom increased in my heart, for my spirit retained memory. 41 My mouth was opened and wasn’t shut anymore. 42 The Most High, moreover, gave understanding to the five men, and they wrote in turns what was dictated, in characters that they didn’t know, and they sat for forty days. They wrote by day, 43 but by night they ate bread; however, I spoke by day and wasn’t silent by night. 44 Ninety-four scrolls were written in the forty days. 45 Then when the forty days were completed, THE MOST HIGH SAID TO ME, “MAKE PUBLIC THE ONES YOU WROTE FIRST SO THAT THE WORTHY AND UNWORTHY MAY READ THEM. 46 BUT KEEP THE LAST SEVENTY SO THAT YOU MAY TRANSMIT THEM TO THE WISE AMONG YOUR PEOPLE. 47 IN THESE ARE THE FOUNTAINS OF UNDERSTANDING, THE SOURCE OF WISDOM, AND THE RIVER OF KNOWLEDGE.” 48 And so I did. …” (2 Esdras 14:38 – 48, CEB)

 

Source:

 

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Esdras+14&version=CEB

 

 

 

Conclusion

 

These two particular APOCRYPHA Books of the First King James Version Bible of 1611 too namely the TOBIT (TOBIAS) and WISDOM of SOLOMON and is specifically quoted as accepted Books by this First Christianity Champion of Faith whom everyone quotes (be it Protestants or Catholics/Orthodox), as St. Athanasius the Great Writes as follows:

 

“… These are the springs of salvation, in order that he who is thirsty may fully refresh himself with the words contained in them. In them alone is the doctrine of piety proclaimed. Let no one add anything to them or take anything away from them… But for the sake of greater accuracy I add, being constrained to write, that there are also other books besides these, which have not indeed been put in the canon, but have been appointed by the Fathers as reading-matter for those who have just come forward and which to be instructed in the doctrine of piety: the Wisdom of Solomon, the Wisdom of Sirach, Esther, Judith, Tobias, the so-called Teaching [Didache] of the Apostles, and the Shepherd. And although, beloved, the former are in the canon and the latter serve as reading matter, yet mention is nowhere made of the apocrypha; rather they are a fabrication of the heretics, who write them down when it pleases them and generously assign to them an early date of composition in order that they may be able to draw upon them as supposedly ancient writings and have in them occasion to deceive the guileless. …” – Blessed St. Athanasius the Great, the Father of Orthodoxy, Patriarch of Alexandria and Champion of Trinity, Doctor of the Church and Confessor, Coptic Pope (c. 296 AD – c. 373 AD, The 39th Festal Letter of Athanasius (367 CE))

 

Source: http://www.ntcanon.org/Athanasius.shtml

 

Comments, please consider these phrases carefully:

 

1) “… the former are in the canon  …” = 27 New Testament Books (Accepted)

2) “… and the latter serve as reading matter, …” = “… .that there are also other books besides these, which have not indeed been put in the canon, but have been appointed by the Fathers as reading-matter for those who have just come forward and which to be instructed in the doctrine of piety: the Wisdom of Solomon, the Wisdom of Sirach, Esther, Judith, Tobias, the so-called Teaching [Didache] of the Apostles, and the Shepherd [of Hermas]. …” (Accepted)

3) “… yet mention is nowhere made of the apocrypha; rather they are a fabrication of the heretics …” = Books which are “not” listed above (Rejected).  Interesting, isn’t it?

So apart from the Possible Doctrinal Implications or to Help better Understand the 66 Books Bible, I also write this to WARN especially Protestants who are often over-zealous who could end up committing the “Unforgivable Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit” (if they are “not” careful with their words against these “Possible Scriptures”.

 

The ‘Safe Route Scripturally’ is to take the middle ground and take these as a “possibility” as it existed both in Judaism and First Christianity likewise and let God Alone Decide One Day.

 


 ‘… You are free to choose but you are not free from the consequence of your choices …’

 

‘… You are free to say whatever you want but you are not free from the consequence of your words …’

 

Verse in light of this Principle of Wisdom (in image too):

 

“… Whoever GUARDS HIS MOUTH and TONGUE KEEPS HIS SOUL FROM TROUBLES. …” (Proverbs 21:23, NKJV)

 

“… For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.” …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 12:37, NKJV)

Please don’t be overconfident and instead may God Help us be careful with our Words especially on difficult topics like this because the GREATEST SIN of ALL is JUST WORDS (NOT murder, adultery, idols, gluttony, love of money, etc.) because it is a WORD AGAINST the MOST BLESSED HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD and any a WORD SPOKEN AGAINST ANY POSSIBLE SCRIPTURE CAN MERIT this UNFORGIVABLE SIN as I have Warned prior too:

 

“… 31“Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. 32ANYONE WHO SPEAKS A WORD AGAINST THE SON OF MAN, IT WILL BE FORGIVEN HIM; BUT WHOEVER SPEAKS AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT, IT WILL NOT BE FORGIVEN HIM, EITHER IN THIS AGE OR IN THE AGE TO COME. …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 12:31 – 32, NKJV)

 

 

 

 

Peace to you

 

 

 

Charity Doctrine in 2 Esdras in the Context of Resurrection

 

Source Post:

https://www.facebook.com/jonathan.ramachandran/posts/10161493366177784

 

Firstly, ever wondered whom do the Jews Quote when asked about which are the Books of their Old Testament?

 

The will all tell you that Blessed Prophet Ezra himself is the one who was given Divine Inspiration to restore the Old Testament Bible which was “lost” as discussed in the end of this write-up. Here’s an example Orthodox Judaism Quote:

 

“… The prophet Ezra, who is the author of the Book of Ezra in the Bibles of all the Jews and Christians, when he was in exile, he was given visions from the Most High, and Ezra wrote down everything that God revealed to him. Ezra realized how doomed humanity was without God’s word. Knowing that in his time all the Scriptures became lost, Ezra prayed to God and asked him to restore the Scriptures. God answered that prayer, and restored the Scriptures through Ezra. For forty days, he and five men who were his scribes rewrote from charred unreadable scrolls that they had found in pots all of the books of Scripture that were written before the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem. Ezra tells us that of all the books which were written, there were 24 books which they first restored, and those first 24 books were the books which God wanted Ezra and the faithful to share with everyone, whether they be righteous or sinful. THE FINAL 70 BOOKS HOWEVER WHICH THEY RESTORED LAST, GOD COMMANDED EZRA AND THE FAITHFUL TO HIDE THOSE BOOKS and MAKE THEM SECRET/APOCRYPHA BOOKS, NOT SHARING THEM WITH EVERYONE, but ONLY SHARING THEM WITH THOSE WHO WERE TESTED AND FOUND TO BE WORTHY. IN TOTAL, EZRA RESTORED 94 BOOKS OF SCRIPTURE WHICH WERE LOST TO THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL. …”

 

Source:

https://orthodoxessenejudaism.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/the-70-apocrypha-books-of-ezra/comment-page-1/

 

 

 

 

The “Charity Doctrine Lifestyle” and its Great Promise in the First Resurrection, Verses:

 

“… 20 DO RIGHT TO THE WIDOW, JUDGE FOR THE FATHERLESS, GIVE TO THE POOR, DEFEND THE ORPHAN, CLOTHE THE NAKED, 21 Heal the broken and the weak, laugh not a lame man to scorn, defend the maimed, and let the blind man come into the sight of my clearness. 22 KEEP THE OLD AND YOUNG WITHIN THY WALLS. 23 Wheresoever thou findest the dead, take them and bury them, and I WILL GIVE THEE THE FIRST PLACE IN MY RESURRECTION. …” (2 Esdras 2:20 – 23, KJV)

 

Source:

 

https://www.biblestudytools.com/kjva/2-esdras/2.html?amp

 

Challenge: Did you notice that this “Charity Doctrine 2 Esdras Verse is found in the Apocrypha Section of the First King James Version Bibles itself? If it is false, then why did they translate it unless they also thought that it has a possibility to be true, right?”

 

Comment: As per the Jewish Tradition since these 70 secret Books were to be hidden, so it’s “not” in the “Public Canon“.

 

So is 2 Esdras a Book of the Bible?

 

Truth is we cannot prove either way but there’s a high chance it can be true. The Old Testament Scripture Writings are compiled part is by Prophet Ezra and the same Esdras Verses that proves there are 22 Books (24 or 39 according to how we count) also proves there were 70 other Inspired secret books to the Wise where 1Enoch is the most highly probable candidate in history.

 

A lot of Christians do not realize that the Ezra and Nehemiah book in their Bibles is just the Original 1Esdras and 2Esdras renamed by Protestant reformers later. All of it is Written by Divine Inspiration by Blessed Prophet Ezra himself. The 3 Esdras and 4 Esdras were part of this Esdras writing but were separated out due to this Verse in Esdras itself in which God commanded Blessed Prophet Ezra to ‘hide’ the Seventy Books from the unworthy but not from the Wise and so this part of Esdras (renamed in modern times as 1 Esdras and 2 Esdras) had to be ‘removed’ to keep it Hidden as commanded of which I do not see any evidence of it being less Inspired, Verses:

 

“… 38 So it happened to me on the next day that a voice called me: “Ezra, open your mouth and drink what I give you to drink.” 39 So I opened my mouth, and a full cup was set before me. It was full of something like water, but its color was like fire. 40 I took it and drank, and when I had drunk it my heart poured forth understanding, and wisdom increased in my heart, for my spirit retained memory. 41 My mouth was opened and wasn’t shut anymore. 42 The Most High, moreover, gave understanding to the five men, and they wrote in turns what was dictated, in characters that they didn’t know, and they sat for forty days. They wrote by day, 43 but by night they ate bread; however, I spoke by day and wasn’t silent by night. 44 Ninety-four scrolls were written in the forty days. 45 Then when the forty days were completed, THE MOST HIGH SAID TO ME, “MAKE PUBLIC THE ONES YOU WROTE FIRST SO THAT THE WORTHY AND UNWORTHY MAY READ THEM. 46 BUT KEEP THE LAST SEVENTY SO THAT YOU MAY TRANSMIT THEM TO THE WISE AMONG YOUR PEOPLE. 47 IN THESE ARE THE FOUNTAINS OF UNDERSTANDING, THE SOURCE OF WISDOM, AND THE RIVER OF KNOWLEDGE.” 48 And so I did. …” (2 Esdras 14:38 – 48, CEB)

 

Source: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Esdras+14&version=CEB

 

In other words, every time a Christian is quoting that there are only 39 Books in the Old Testament, they are quoting or believing in the Verse above in 2 Esdras 14:44, 46 without realizing it.

 

Here’s the Math:

For those who don’t know, the 39 Books in the Protestant Old Testament Bible are exactly the 94 (Verse 44 above) – 70 (Verse 46 above) = 24 Books but broken down and re-labelled further by the Protestant Reformation movement.

 

Peace to you

 

 

 

 

What did the First Protestant Blessed Martin Luther actually say about these Apocrypha Books in the First King James Version Bible?

 

Source Post:

https://www.facebook.com/jonathan.ramachandran/posts/10161493460847784

 

To quote:

 

‘… The apocrypha is a selection of books which were published in the original 1611 King James Bible. These apocryphal books were positioned between the Old and New Testament (it also contained maps and geneologies). The apocrypha was a part of the KJV for 274 years until being removed in 1885 A.D. A portion of these books were called deuterocanonical books by some entities, such as the Catholic church.

 

Many claim the apocrypha should never have been included in the first place, raising doubt about its validity and believing it was not God-inspired (for instance, a reference about magic seems inconsistent with the rest of the Bible: Tobit chapter 6, verses 5-8). Others believe it is valid and that it should never have been removed- that it was considered part of the Bible for nearly 2,000 years before it was recently removed a little more than 100 years ago. Some say it was removed because of not finding the books in the original Hebrew manuscripts. Others claim it wasn’t removed by the church, but by printers to cut costs in distributing Bibles in the United States. Both sides tend to cite the same verses that warn against adding or subtracting from the Bible: Revelation 22:18. The word ‘apocrypha’ means ‘hidden.’ Fragments of Dead Sea Scrolls dating back to before 70 A.D. contained parts of the apocrypha books in Hebrew, including Sirach and Tobit [source].

 

Keep this in mind when reading the following apocryphal books. Martin Luther said, “Apocrypha–that is, books which are not regarded as equal to the holy Scriptures, and yet are profitable and good to read.” (King James Version Defended page 98.)

 

Books of the Apocrypha

1 Esdras

2 Esdras

Tobit

Judith

Additions to Esther

Wisdom of Solomon

Ecclesiasticus

Baruch

Letter of Jeremiah

Prayer of Azariah

Susanna

Bel and the Dragon

Prayer of Manasseh

1 Maccabees

2 Maccabees …’

 

Source: https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Apocrypha-Books/

 

Conclusion

 

If Blessed Martin Luther can consider these Books such as TOBIT to 2 ESDRAS  or even the WISDOM OF SOLOMON too listed here as “good”, we too can quote these as a “possibility” (as I did in my books) likewise without being condemned in any way.

 

Please notice carefully the Faith of consideringPossibilities” is there with the First Protestant Translators of the First King James Version 1611 Bible together with Blessed Martin Luther (the First Protestant too) for if they did “not” consider these APOCRYPHA (meaning “HIDDEN”) Books as “Possible Scripture”, they wouldn’t have translated it nor called it as “good” respectively. And so we likewise following this Tradition of the First Protestants and First KJV Translators also consider it as a “Possibility” likewise and thus cannot be condemned for this stance.

 

In fact, if it turns out to be Scripture One Day (when God Reveals it), if some Christians or Pastors or Churches have called it ‘wrongly’ they could RISK the UNFORGIVABLE Blasphemy of the HOLY SPIRIT (Matthew 12:30 – 32) since ALL SCRIPTURE is from the INSPIRATION of the HOLY SPIRIT (and so based on this “RISK POSSIBILITY”) any responsible Preaching must likewise learn to “guard their tongues”.

 

 

 

 

An Example Case Study – Risky Christianity – Kathryn Kuhlman

 

1) Why is this Important?

 

Recently, I saw a few people posting about the women charismatic evangelist Kathryn Kuhlman and so I think there could be “danger” in her ways and so I decided to write this.

 

The “MAIN PROBLEM” in “HER THEOLOGY” and “MIRACLE CLAIMS” is that “SHE SAYS THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT told me this and that” and so if she is “wrong” (quoting the Holy Spirit), the RISK of the UNPARDONABLE SIN is there and so CHRISTIANS who CLAIM that SHE SPOKE by the HOLY SPIRIT could also be led to COMMIT the UNFORGIVABLE BLASPHEMY OF THE HOLY SPIRIT under the CONDITION IF SHE WAS WRONG, Verses:

 

“… 31“Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. 32Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come. …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 12:31 – 32, NKJV)

 

In contrast, without Quoting the Most Blessed Holy Spirit of God but stating it as our own opinion/oracle is “not” damnable as God Himself showed Mercy by His Unchanging Principle as discussed in post in link below or as discussed in the first chapter in this book:

https://www.facebook.com/jonathan.ramachandran/posts/10161461938352784

 

I am “not” Judging her “nor” the Christians (even pastors who quote her) that they must go to eternal Hell if wrong (but just pointing out that the risk is really great against them as I shall demonstrate a few proofs which they may have not known about her, and hence may God have Mercy on whom He Wills).

 

However, I don’t need to Judge her and her followers because she is the “pioneer” of how a “woman can become a pastor” and so to have big woman support (against say against 1 Timothy 2:12, 1 Corinthians 14:33 – 34), modern pastors often quote her (example link below):

https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2019/october/kathryn-kuhlman-female-evangelicals-hidden-predecessor.html

Note: Regarding my personal standpoint, I have already explained in the past that I am “neutral” about whether “God Showed them this NEW WAY of WOMAN PASTORS etc.” which are only present in the 20th Century onward but the APPROVED BIBLE WAY of NOT HAVING ANY WOMAN PASTORS and OBEYING OTHER NEW TESTAMENT “WRITTEN” TRADITIONS is what I uphold simply because that WAY CANNOT BE CONDEMNED (by Kathryn Kuhlman or your pastor or whoever) simply because it has been APPROVED IN NEW TESTAMENT BIBLE VERSES (e.g. 1 Corinthians 14:37, 2 Peter 3:2, 1 Timothy 2:12, 1 Corinthians 14:33 – 34). The LACK of WOMAN SUPPORT or their WORDS AGAINST these VERSES doesn’t bother me at all since we are “not” called to ‘exalt miracles nor women’ but THE WRITTEN WORD OF GOD TO HONOUR HIM. Example Verses:

 

  1. i) God’s “WRITTEN” WORD does NOT EXALT MIRACLES but says that only an EVIL and ADULTRESS (spiritually and physically) type of GENERATION looks for these

 

“… But He answered and said to them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. …” (Matthew 12:39, NKJV)

 

  1. ii) The Sign of the HOLY SPIRIT is “not” signs and wonders but how much one can KEEP EVEN THE NEW TESTAMENT TRADITIONS

 

“… 13HOLD FAST The PATTERN OF SOUND WORDS which you have heard from me, in faith and love which are in Christ Jesus. 14That good thing which was committed to you, KEEP BY THE HOLY SPIRIT who dwells in us. …” (2 Timothy 1:13 – 14, NKJV)

 

iii) The HOLY SPIRIT will “not” SPEAK of HIMSELF but only about CHRIST and HIS COMMANDS (which belong to Him)

 

“… Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for HE SHALL NOT SPEAK OF HIMSELF; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14HE SHALL GLORIFY ME: for HE SHALL RECEIVE OF MINE, and SHALL SHEW IT UNTO YOU. 15All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you. …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (John 16:13 – 15 , KJV)

 

 

  1. iv) The HOLY SPIRIT of GOD DWELLS where GOD’s COMMANDMENTS are OBEYED where by this practice of Woman Pastors or other New Testament Traditions (1 Corinthians 11 to 14), the risk of breaking them as done by MODERN CHURCHES in the 20th CENTURY ONLY (as all Protestant Founders didn’t break these rules as I have discussed in the #MysteryoftheKingdomofHeavenBook in example Pages 443 to 465 seem to contradict these Verses as well

 

“… 19“A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also. 20At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. 21He who has MY COMMANDMENTS AND KEEPS THEM, it is HE WHO LOVES ME. And HE WHO LOVES ME will be LOVED BY MY FATHER, and I WILL LOVE HIM and [f]MANIFEST MYSELF TO HIM.” …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (John 14:19 – 21, NKJV)

 

So their praising of ‘Kathryn Kuhlman’ or ‘other women pastors’ exalts themselves and their churches or converts but NOT these Bible Verses (and so it can be really ‘risky’). What if I am wrong in “not” endorsing all these modern ways?

 

Ask yourself wisely please: We are following Bible Verses and these guys are the ones doing ‘new ways’ in these aspects. Also, please read the Pages 443 to 465 of the #MysteryoftheKingdomofHeavenBook (as too many details to quote here) and ask yourself whether Blessed Martin Luther (the First Protestant), Blessed John Calvin (Founder of Calvinism), Blessed John Wesley (Founder of Methodism) or even Blessed Charles Spurgeon (the Prince of Preachers) are GOING TO BE UNSAVED or to HELL as they DIDN’T EVEN ALLOW such a POSSIBILITY for WOMEN PASTORS or FOR IGNORING NEW TESTAMENT WRITTEN TRADITIONS where we actually allow it just in case ‘God showed them a new way in the 20th century onward’. Can you see it?

 

 

If they and Kathryn Kuhlman turn out to be right and God Spoke to her, then “NEITHER DID I COMMIT any BLASPHEMY of the HOLY SPIRIT” as on this cases I often take the NEUTRAL STAND and JUDGE NOT (Matthew 7:1 – 2).

 

 

 

 

2) Reformed Protestants View

 

Also this is the case the REFORMED THEOLOGIANS such as Mr. JUSTIN PETERS could be at risk as they don’t hesitate to call KATHRYN KUHLMAN as a ‘FALSE PROPHET’ (example in image below)

 

 

Source for Image: https://twitter.com/justinpetersmin/status/1080989208611741697?lang=en

 

By “risk” I mean if Kathryn Kuhlman and her supporters are right, then Mr. Justin Peters and the reformed group may be in risk of committing the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. However, let God Alone Decide as he can have Mercy on whomever He Wills.

 

My point is this: Please just follow Written Bible Verses as the ‘Safe Route Scripturally’.

 

If some women don’t want to believe in Christ if the Church obeys says 1 Timothy 2:12 or 1 Corinthians 14:33 – 34, then is that called faith? Faith is “notputting conditions to please such women in that ‘only if God allows a woman to do this and that in His House’, then that Christianity is to be accepted as this looks more like a type of idolatry or ‘women worship’.

 

Truth is, exalting God is NOT exalting Miracles NOR exalting Kathryn Kuhlman NOR in the NUMBER OF CONVERTS which DO AND PREACH AGAINST NEW TESTAMENT TRADITIONS but in PREACHING and OBEYING HIS WRITTEN COMMANDS. This position is Biblical and is upheld well by the Reformed Group.

Being “Born Again” is not described as Miracles, Speaking in Tongues, Understanding Prophecy as all that are “not” Commands because these Verses next Prove that these are Gifts which are Good but not the “Most Excellent Way of Agape (Love)” where “Love in Action is the Charity Doctrine Lifestyle Commands”, Example Verses (which also proves that not all Christians have these Gifts but are still “Born Again”):

 

“… 27Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. 28And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. 29Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are ALL WORKERS OF MIRACLES? 30DO ALL HAVE GIFTS OF HEALINGS? DO ALL SPEAK WITH TONGUES? Do all interpret? 31But earnestly desire the [i]best gifts. And YET I SHOW YOU A MORE EXCELLENT WAY [of Agape/Love]. …” (1 Corinthians 12:27 – 30, NKJV)

 

“… 16By this WE KNOW LOVE, because He laid down His life for us. And we also OUGHT TO LAY DOWN OUR LIVES FOR THE BRETHREN. 17But WHOEVER HAS THIS WORLD’S GOODS, and SEES HIS BROTHER IN NEED, AND SHUTS UP HIS HEART FROM HIM, HOW DOES THE LOVE OF GOD ABIDE IN HIM? 18My little children, let us NOT LOVE IN WORD or IN TONGUE, BUT IN DEED AND IN TRUTH …” (1 John 3:16 – 18, NKJV)

 

There’s more because Christ’s Own Most Blessed Words below may Reveal the “Why” part:

 

“… But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and NOT DO THE THINGS WHICH I SAY? …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 6:46, NKJV)

 

The same ones who called Him “… Lord, Lord …” for MANY (meaning “not” few, only “few” will be right among the End-Time Christianity which remains when He Returns) are DENIED for NOT DOING HIS COMMANDS to BUILD THE HOUSE on the ROCK but focused on spiritual gifts of ‘… casting out demons, prophesying, and miracles …’ instead in Matthew 7:20 – 24 (‘same phrase used’) which I have already discussed in this Book in Pages 41 to 42.

 

 

 

 

 

3) Kathryn Kuhlman’s “Possible” Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit Example

 

  1. i) Kathryn Kuhlman clearly believed and taught Pre-Tribulation Rapture

 

Example quote:

 

“… The Rapture comes, the Great catching up comes on the very threshold of the Great Tribulation. First the rapture, when Jesus comes for His Church, 7 years of Great Tribulation, suffering as this world has never known. Neither will man ever know such suffering again. We are on the very threshold on that now. The world at this very hour even when I’m speaking to you is on the very threshold of that time of great suffering of great tribulation. Following the 7 years of Great Tribulation, then we have Jesus coming back to earth in bodily form.  …” – Kathryn Kuhlman

 

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh15oLDnng8

 

The fuller Video for excerpt above may be found in the ‘official Kathryn Kuhlman supporting type of channel’ in link here too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDhl8dLePsg

 

Regarding “Post-Tribulation Rapture”, I have discussed it in Pages 476 to 534 in the #MysteryoftheKingdomofHeavenBook where the quotes from Protestant reformers such as Blessed Martin Luther (the First Protestant), Blessed John Calvin (Founder of Calvinism), Blessed John Wesley (Founder of Methodism) or even Blessed Charles Spurgeon (the Prince of Preachers) or William Tyndale (Important English Translator of Bible for Protestants) and others taught “Post Tribulation Rapture only” as per the early Church Fathers of First Christianity too CONTRADICTING clearly KATHRYN KUHLMAN’s Words here.

 

Which Doctrine is most likely right?

 

Kathryn Kuhlman’s Pre-Tribulation Rapture Doctrine or “Post-Tribulation Rapture” Doctrine by Blessed Martin Luther (the First Protestant), Blessed John Calvin (Founder of Calvinism), Blessed John Wesley (Founder of Methodism) or even Blessed Charles Spurgeon (the Prince of Preachers) or William Tyndale (Important English Translator of Bible for Protestants) and others with CHURCH FATHERS too?

 

  1. ii) Kathryn Kuhlman MAY HAVE COMMITTED THE BLASHPHEMY of THE HOLY SPIRIT when she taught her Pre-Tribulation Rapture Doctrine

 

How? To quote (from 1 minutes 20 seconds onward in this video):

 

“… I believe that THIS IS THE VERY LAST YOUTH GENERATION BEFORE THE GREAT TRIBULATION. I believe that I got to believe it KNOWING the WORD OF PROPHECY as I DO. This is the LAST YOUTH GENERATION BEFORE THE GREAT TRIBULATION. SITTING HERE IN THIS ASSEMBLY IN THIS MONDAY MORNING, face it, face that, FACE GOD, face reality, FACE TRUTH. YOU YOUNG PEOPLE [SITTING HERE] are the LAST YOUTH GENERATION in THIS DISPENSATION. …” – Kathryn Kuhlman

 

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LmRCqhCS9I

 

Comments:

 

  1. Kathryn Kuhlman’s earlier quote in (i) itself proves in ‘her own words’ that the ‘Great Tribulation’ she is referring to is the Final One after the Church is Raptured first in a “Pre-Tribulation Rapture”.

 

  1. In this Video, if she was discussing her opinion and she turns out to be wrong doctrinally, I can see God’s Mercy as every Christian could have some parts of Doctrine Wrong either Knowingly or Unknowingly. However, sadly this is MOST LIKELY NOT the case since SHE QUOTES her “Gift of Prophecy” (equivalent to QUOTING the HOLY SPIRIT telling it as many typical Charismatics do) when she claimed THAT THE YOUTH GENERATION in her TIME WAS THE LAST YOUTH before the FINAL GREAT TRIBULATION as unless God has Mercy, this can be an UNFORGIVABLE BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE MOST BLESSED HOLY SPIRIT of GOD.

 

  1. Her Prophecy here is clearly false as she herself died in February 20, 1976 which means even if ‘this prophecy’ was made in 1976, then even AN INFANT (BABY) in her congregation that day would today (in 2022) be 2022 – 1976 = 46 years old which is NOT a YOUTH ANYMORE. The extended political definition of Youth itself reaches up to 40 years of age only. Usually the age 30 and above is considered a MAN (by Jewish Definition itself as CHRIST HIMSELF started ministry at the AGE OF 30 only) and so the age of 46 is definitely NOT a YOUTH today and the neither PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE NOR the GREAT TRIBULATION has occurred.
  2. She claimed the “Gift of Prophecy” when she told that Prophecy of hers namely ‘… This is the LAST YOUTH GENERATION BEFORE THE GREAT TRIBULATION. SITTING HERE IN THIS ASSEMBLY IN THIS MONDAY MORNING …’ referring to the “Source of her gifts” which puts everything else very “risky” as Using the Name of God in Vain (one of the 10 Commandments) and especially the Name of the Most Blessed Holy Spirit of God in Vain may merit the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit which has NO FORGIVENESS as CHRIST HIMSELF has WARNED CLEARLY (e.g. Matthew 12:30 – 32).

 

  1. So Pastors and Christians who quote her likewise could also be “RISKING COMMITTING the BLASPHEMY OF THE HOLY SPIRIT likewise” and though I don’t judge, I warn of the risks and do “not” need their endorsement “nor” the endorsement of their women who quote like this either as we will stick to New Testament “Written” Traditions and “Guard our Tongue to actually honour God”. All the best and may God have Mercy on whom He Wills.

 

  1. Since her Prophecy above did “not” come to pass, we don’t ned to condemn her but we need “not” consider her either as per Verses below (let God Judge her):

 

“… 19And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him. 20But THE PROPHET WHO PRESUMES TO SPEAK A WORD IN MY NAME, WHICH I HAVE NOT COMMANDED HIM TO SPEAK, or who speaks in the name of other gods, THAT PROPHET SHALL DIE.’ 21And if you say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’— 22WHEN A PROPHET SPEAKS IN THE NAME OF THE LORD, IF THE THING DOES NOT HAPPEN OR COME TO PASS, THAT IS THE THING WHICH THE LORD HAS NOT SPOKEN; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; YOU SHALL NOT BE AFRAID OF HIM. …” (Deuteronomy 18:19 – 22, NKJV)

Example Images from that last Video:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Unlike we who give some “possibility” that maybe she can find God’s Mercy, the “Reformed Theologians” are “not” so flexible and condemn Kathryn Kuhlman harshly, examples in links below:

 

https://safeguardyoursoul.com/kathryn-kuhlman-exposed/

 

https://discernmentministriesinternational.wordpress.com/category/kathryn-kuhlman/

 

 

  1. The scary thing is that even “Benny Hinn” has quoted that he shared the ‘same source of power from her somewhat’, example quote:

 

“… Benny Hinn was born in Israel and eventually migrated to Canada. He started off in the Greek Orthodox church, but then he gravitated more towards Pentecostal and charismatic Christianity. As Hinn tells the story, one of the most important formative influences for him was a woman named Kathryn Kuhlman, who was a very influential charismatic healing evangelist in the 1960s and 70s. He attended a Kuhlman miracle service in 1973, and he modeled a lot of his ministry after hers. …”

 

Source: https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/podcasts/quick-to-listen/prosperity-gospel-benny-hinn-health-wealth-joel-osteen.html

 

To quote from the #CharityDoctrineBook (more details in Pages 19 to 22):

Pastor Benny Hinn is very important to many evangelical Christians especially to those in the Charismatic Movement denomination and Churches because they believe that he speaks directly to the Holy Spirit and can do Miracles such as Casting out of Demons, Prophesying etc. Here are direct proof videos in his own words WHERE HE REPENTS OF THE PROSPERITY GOSPEL:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qUQwmwC7Oc

or

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpNVR_HWzxY

 

Example Quote:

 

“… it’s an offense to the Holy Spirit to place a price on the gospel.” … “I’m done with it. I will never again ask you to give a thousand or whatever amount, because I think the Holy Ghost is just fed up with it. . . . . I think that hurts the gospel.” … “I think giving has become such a gimmick that it’s making me sick to my stomach.” … “I think it’s time we say it like it is: The gospel is not for sale. And the blessings of God are not for sale, and miracles are not for sale. And prosperity is not for sale.” …” – Pastor Benny Hinn

 

Source:

 

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justin-taylor/gospel-not-sale-benny-hinn-abandoning-prosperity-gospel/

 

So that means there’s no more ‘faith for money’ right?

 

Comment: Pastor Benny Hinn’s own words prove that the “Holy Spirit” never APPROVED of his PROSPERITY GOSPEL and is ANGRY of it. So, I don’t know if those who simply Prophesied Money in God’s Name like that calling it Blessings by using the Most Blessed Name of the Holy Spirit of God can be forgiven or not (according to whether it is considered the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit or not as per Matthew 12:31 – 32 and as Blessed Martin Luther the First Reformer Prophesied as discussed in an earlier post below regarding such “Many” who may be “Denied” including those who “Prophesied” as Christ Clearly Warned in Matthew 7:21 – 23), but it’s “Possible”. Maybe God Will Forgive if they Repent now and vice versa (Let Him Alone Decide):

 

https://www.facebook.com/651792783/posts/10160885716652784/?substory_index=0

 

 

 

A Solemn Reminder

 

Charity Doctrine or Love in Action of Giving and Sharing is every Christian’s Calling by Relative Measure

 

Image illustrates the Parable of the Good Samaritan by Christ Himself (in Luke 10:25 – 37) as the Answer to “What to do for Eternal Life?”

 

 

 

Peace to you

 

 

 

An Example with the Mysterious Eunuch Faith Case

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Protestant Dilemma – Misunderstanding Sola Fide vs Faith with Works and Possible Consequences

 

1) The Problem – Why is this important?

 

  1. i) A wrong theology on works may warrant a smaller reward in heaven. Verse:

 

“… 19Whoever therefore BREAKS one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called LEAST in the KINGDOM of HEAVEN; but whoever DOES and TEACHES them, he shall be called GREAT in the kingdom of heaven. …” – KING of the Heavens and the Most Blessed One, LORD of lords, Jesus Christ (Matthew 5:19, NKJV)

 

  1. ii) Some type of wrong theology on works can even merit Hell if promoting a type of “saved by grace only” which promotes “lawlessness” despite active Church Attendance with spiritual works of ‘… casting out demons, prophesying, and even miracles in HIS NAME …’, He Will Say, ‘… I NEVER KNEW YOU …’. Verses:

 

“… 21“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22MANY will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23And then I will declare to them, ‘I NEVER KNEW YOU; depart from Me, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS!’ 24“Therefore WHOEVER HEARS THESE SAYINGS OF MINE, and DOES THEM, I will liken him to a WISE MAN WHO BUILT HIS HOUSE ON THE ROCK: …” (Matthew 7:21 – 24, NKJV)

 

Comment: ‘Saved by Grace must promote His Commands’ which is a True Faith in Christ. To “avoid LAWLESSNESS”, The “LAW” part Christ Refers to is “not the abolished Torah Observances as some Christian err” but ONLY THE THINGS WHICH CHRIST SAID (either those He Re-enforced from the TORAH or NEW TESTAMENT COMMANDS such as the CHARITY DOCTRINE LIFESTYLE of GIVING and SHARING which is the ‘most number of Commands by Christ Himself in the New Testament’ even in this Sermon on the Mount in Matthew 5 to Matthew 7).

 

“… For I say unto you, That except YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS [1343 dikaiosynē] shall EXCEED the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in NO CASE ENTER into the kingdom of HEAVEN. …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 5:20, KJV)

I have discussed Matthew 5:20 in detail in Pages 30 to 40 in the free pdf #MysteryoftheKingdomofHeavenBook

 

Can you see it please ‘as it is Written’?

 

2)  Sola Fide in light of “Holiness Doctrine”

 

“… 110As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

11There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. 22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:…” (Romans 3:10 – 11, 22 – 24, NKJV)

 

These Verses prove that ONLY CHRIST’S RIGHTEOUSNESS SAVES us but it does “not” prove that  we “don’t need to be holy” nor that “we don’t need to do the Charity Doctrine or other Good Works for faith”.

 

Also by quoting the Verse above, do your pastors stop being holy since “HOLINESS is ALSO A WORK OF THE LAW”?  If “not”, then why stop doing the Charity Doctrine with Church Money or Personal Money as CHRIST’S ANSWER  DID NOT END WITH HOLINESS COMMANDS ONLY and so NEITHER SHOULD ANY TRUE PREACHING OF THE GOSPEL END THERE either as Described in Verses below ‘as it is Written’:

 

  1. i) Holiness is a “Work of the Law” , Verses:

 

“… 16Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, WHAT GOOD THING SHALL I DO that I MAY HAVE ETERNAL LIFE?” 17So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But IF YOU WANT TO ENTER INTO LIFE, KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS.” 18He said to Him, “Which ones?” Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ” 20The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept from my youth. WHAT DO I STILL LACK?” …” (Matthew 19:16 – 20, NKJV)

 

  1. ii) Charity Doctrine is a Doctrine of Perfection (as Christ Continues from the Verses above as follows, same Topic, same Context):

 

“… 20The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept [g]from my youth. WHAT DO I STILL LACK?” 21JESUS said to him, “If you want to be PERFECT, GIVE to the POOR, and YOU WILL HAVE TREASURE IN HEAVEN; and come, FOLLOW ME.” 22But when the young man heard that saying, he went away SORROWFUL, for he had GREAT POSSESSIONS. 23Then JESUS said to His disciples, “Assuredly, I say to you that it is HARD for a RICH MAN TO ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. 24And AGAIN I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. …” (Matthew 19:20 – 24, NKJV)

 

Also, contrary to popular belief in Christianity itself, the DOCTRINES which pertain to ‘… i. FOUNDATION of REPENTANCE FROM DEAD WORKS  and OF FAITH TOWARD GOD, ii. 2of the DOCTRINE OF BAPTISMS, iii. of LAYING OF HANDS,  iv. of RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD, and  v. of ETERNAL JUDGMENT …’ are BASIC DOCTRINES as I have discussed in the second chapter in this #IgnoredChristianDoctrineBook itself or in link below which also points to the CHARITY DOCTRINE as a DOCTRINE of PERFECTION in Verses below clearly:

 

“… 1Therefore, LEAVING THE DISCUSSION OF THE ELEMENTARY PRINCIPLES OF CHRIST, let us GO ON TO [a]PERFECTION, NOT laying again the FOUNDATION of REPENTANCE FROM DEAD WORKS  and OF FAITH TOWARD GOD, 2of the DOCTRINE OF BAPTISMS, of LAYING OF HANDS, of RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD, and of ETERNAL JUDGMENT. 3And THIS [b]we will do IF GOD PERMITS. … 9But, beloved, we are confident of BETTER THINGS  CONCERNING YOU, YES, THINGS THAT ACCOMPANY SALVATION, though we speak in this manner. 10For God is not unjust to forget YOUR WORK and [d]LABOR OF LOVE which you have shown toward His name, IN THAT YOU HAVE MNISTERED TO THE SAINTS, and DO MINISTER. 11And WE DESIRE THAT EACH ONE OF YOU SHOW THE SAME DILLIGENCE TO THE FULL ASSURANCE OF HOPE UNTIL THE END, 12that you do not become [e]sluggish, but imitate those who through faith and patience INHERIT the promises. …” (Hebrews 6:1 – 3, 9 – 12, NKJV)

 

https://www.facebook.com/jonathan.ramachandran/posts/10161463490927784

 

 

 

 

3) Gold Type of Faith are either based on Voluntary Suffering or Voluntary Charity Doctrine Lifestyle

 

  1. i) Gold Type of Faith based on Voluntary Suffering for the Gospel

 

“… 9“I know your works, TRIBULATION, and POVERTY  (but YOU ARE RICH); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a [e]synagogue of Satan.  …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Revelation 2:9, NKJV)

 

Note: This Church in Verse above suffered TRIBULATION (Persecution for faith) and POVERTY (being poor in material wealth or money literally) but are said to be RICH (in HEAVEN’s Rewards Perspective).

 

  1. ii) Gold Type of Faith based on Voluntary Charity Doctrine Lifestyle

 

Spiritually Poor Church = Prosperity Church with health and wealth but “no” Works of Sharing & Giving:

 

“… 15“I KNOW YOUR WORKS, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. 16So then, because YOU ARE LUKEWARM, and neither [k]cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth. 17Because you say, ‘I AM RICH, HAVE BECOME WEALTHY, and HAVE NEED OF NOTHING’—and do not know that YOU ARE WRETCHED, MISERABLE, POOR, BLIND, AND NAKED— 18I counsel you to BUY FROM ME GOLD REFINED IN THE FIRE, that YOU MAY BE RICH; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see. …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Revelation 3:15 – 18, NKJV)

 

“… 20The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept [g]from my youth. WHAT DO I STILL LACK?” 21JESUS said to him, “If you want to be PERFECT, GIVE to the POOR, and YOU WILL HAVE TREASURE IN HEAVEN; and come, FOLLOW ME.” 22But when the young man heard that saying, he went away SORROWFUL, for he had GREAT POSSESSIONS. 23Then JESUS said to His disciples, “Assuredly, I say to you that it is HARD for a RICH MAN TO ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. 24And AGAIN I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. …” (Matthew 19:20 – 24, NKJV)

 

4) Faith with Works Doctrine and its effect on Eternal Rewards

 

“…  11For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12Now if anyone builds on this foundation with GOLD, SILVER, PRECIOUS STONES, wood, hay, straw, 13each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. 14If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, HE WILL RECEIVE A REWARD. 15If anyone’s WORK IS BURNED, HE WILL SUFFER LOSS; but HE HIMSELF WILL BE SAVED, YET SO AS THROUGH FIRE.  …” (1 Corinthians 3:11 – 15, NKJV)

 

Some may be “Saved by Fire” only incurring the “Loss of Reward” while “not” all get the “Gold” or “Silver” level Reward either meaning that “not” all inheritance of the Kingdom of Heaven is same for Christians either and so, please don’t be deceived by Teachings which claim ‘you get every treasure in heaven by doing nothing’ or by doing less’. This “Saved by Fire” case can include some of those whom are included in John 3:16’s “whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life” and so it’s “not” as honourable as the Salvation of other Christians who adorn their Faith with Works accordingly to HONOUR GOD in ACTION as the next point discusses in detail.

 

 

 

4) Add to your Faith

 

“… According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the KNOWLEDGE OF HIM  that hath CALLED US TO GLORY AND VIRTUE: (4) Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. (5) And beside this, giving all diligence, ADD TO YOUR FAITH VIRTUE; and TO VIRTUE KNOWLEDGE; (6) And TO KNOWLEDGE TEMPERANCE; and TO TEMPERANCE PATIENCE; and TO PATIENCE GODLINESS; (7) And TO GODLINESS BROTHERLY KINDNESS; and TO BROTHERLY KINDNESS CHARITY [Love]. 8For IF THESE THINGS ARE YOURS AND ABOUND, you will BE NEITHER [e]BARREN NOR UNFRUITFUL in the KNOWLEDGE OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST . 9For HE WHO LACKS THESE THINGS IS SHORT SIGHTED, EVEN TO BLINDNESS, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins. 10Therefore, brethren, BE EVEN MORE DILLGENT TO MAKE YOUR CALLING AND ELECTION SURE, FOR IF YOU DO THESE THINGS YOU WILL NEVER STUMBLE; 11FOR SO AN ENTRANCE WILL BE SUPPLIED TO YOU ABUNDANTLY into the EVERLASTING KINGDOM of OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST …” (2 Peter 1:3-11, KJV )

 

Comments:

 

  1. Purpose of Life for those Predestined to Believe is includes the PRACTICE of VIRTUE

 

“… through the KNOWLEDGE OF HIM  that hath CALLED US TO GLORY AND VIRTUE …” (2 Peter 1:3, KJV)

 

  1. Adding these things to Faith (e.g. the CHARITY DOCTRINE which is both BROTHERLY KINDNESS & CHARITY/LOVE in ACTION with these world’s goods, e.g. 1 John 3:16 – 18) does “not” shipwreck anyone’s faith nor does it create ‘self righteousness’ but even makes the calling and election even more sure

 

“… 10Therefore, brethren, BE EVEN MORE DILLGENT TO MAKE YOUR CALLING AND ELECTION SURE, FOR IF YOU DO THESE THINGS YOU WILL NEVER STUMBLE;  …”

 

iii. Did you notice that “KNOWLEDGE of the LORD” is ‘not’ referred to as knowing some ‘fancy prophecy’ or ‘some deep theology’ but rather as these HOLINESS +  GOOD WORKS in ACTION TRAITS

 

“… ADD TO YOUR FAITH VIRTUE; and TO VIRTUE KNOWLEDGE; (6) And TO KNOWLEDGE TEMPERANCE; and TO TEMPERANCE PATIENCE; and TO PATIENCE GODLINESS; (7) And TO GODLINESS BROTHERLY KINDNESS; and TO BROTHERLY KINDNESS CHARITY [Love]. 8For IF THESE THINGS ARE YOURS AND ABOUND, you will BE NEITHER [e]BARREN NOR UNFRUITFUL in the KNOWLEDGE OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST . …” (2 Peter 1:5 – 8, KJV)

 

Note: In this same letter, even ‘Blessed Apostle St. Peter’ himself admits that some ‘deeper theological knowledge’ is HARD TO UNDERSTAND (referring to Blessed Apostle St. Paul’s letters meaning that even if we as Christians didn’t know these aspects correctly or didn’t understand it perfectly, so just leave it or be neutral about it but DON’T TWIST IT) as it’s NOT A SIGN of REJECTION from life as only the ABOVE THINGS are ENOUGH for ONE’s FAITH + WORKS to be FRUITFUL in the KNOWLEDGE of OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST unto SALVATION, Verses:

 

“… as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in WHICH ARE SOME THINGS HARD TO UNDERSTAND, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures. …” (2 Peter 3:16, NKJV)

 

  1. Not knowing any of the things above which are NEEDED to be ADDED to ONE’S FAITH is DANGEROUS because the VERSES here doesn’t say THESE ASPECTS may be SKIPPED for DOCTRINE but rather IT IS A MUST for EVERY TRUE CHRISTIAN or CHURCH without which they are called SPIRITUALLY BLIND:

 

“… 9For HE WHO LACKS THESE THINGS IS SHORT SIGHTED, EVEN TO BLINDNESS, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins. …” (2 Peter 1:9, KJV)

 

Note: So a Christian/Church who only Teaches “Faith” and possibly “Godliness” (holiness only) but “no” mention of these other things which are to be ADDED to FAITH as DOCTRINE which includes the  CHARITY DOCTRINE which is both BROTHERLY KINDNESS & CHARITY/LOVE in ACTION with these world’s goods, (e.g. 1 John 3:16 – 18) may actually NOT be helping you STAND in FAITH but may actually be SHORT SIGHTED or SPIRITUALLY BLIND as these VERSES WARN clearly.

 

  1. There is NO CONDEMNATION to any Christian who PREACHES any of THESE WRITTEN ASPECTS from VIRTUE to BROTHERLY KINDNESS & CHARITY (LOVE, e.g. the CHARITY DOCTRINE) and best is such ones are called to GREATER GLORY in ABUNDANCE when THEY ENTER HIS EVERLASTING KINGDOM, Verses:

 

“… 11FOR SO AN ENTRANCE WILL BE SUPPLIED TO YOU ABUNDANTLY into the EVERLASTING KINGDOM of OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST …” (2 Peter 1:11, KJV)

 

Note: So please start Preaching the Charity Doctrine and the other aspects listed here if one really cares for their CHRISTIAN BRETHREN and CHURCH or FAMILY too so that together, by GOD’S GRACE all may ENTER ABUNDANTLY into HIS “EVERLASTING” KINGDOM through these ADDITIONS to FAITH.

 

 

 

 

In short, the Greatest Heavenly Rewards (ABUNDANCE ENTRANCE as stated here, the ‘Real Abundant Life Context meant in John 10:10 too’) is “not” for those who hold to “Faith Alone only” but rather to those who “ADD TO YOUR FAITH THESE THINGS (listed in Verse above) too”.

 

  1. Some early Manuscripts 2 Peter 1 here also add the PHRASE GOOD WORKS as I have discussed in an earlier chapter or in link below too

 

https://www.facebook.com/jonathan.ramachandran/posts/10161233812667784

 

Example discussion quote:

 

Anyway interestingly, this First Protestant Champion of Faith regarding Bible Translation, Blessed John Wycliffe himself translated 2 Peter 1:10 to include this “… BY YOUR GOOD WORKS …” in 2 Peter 1:10 few hundred years before the KJV translation itself, to quote:

 

“… 10 Wherefore, brethren, be ye more busy [more busy ye], that BY GOOD WORKS YE MAKE YOUR CALLING and CHOOSING CERTAIN; for ye doing these things shall not do sin any time [soothly ye doing these things, shall not sin any time]. 11 For thus the entering into [the] everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, shall be ministered to you plenteously. …” – Blessed John Wycliffe’s Translation of 2 Peter 1:10 – 11, where John Wycliffe is Nicknamed the “Morning Star of the Reformation”, (2 Peter 1:10 – 11, Wycliffe Bible in modern English)

 

Note: If Blessed John Wycliffe can even translate ‘his Bible’ as above and Preach it to be “saved”, so can we. Can you see it? Please also note that the points discussed above are true regardless if this phrase exists or not in the Original as even other Bible Verses Testify here but it’s just interesting to know.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Conclusion

 

Some Protestants think that if they ‘Preach Faith only + Holiness’, their doctrine is complete but this is far from the Truth as these Verses demonstrate and in fact, without Preaching these ADDITIONS to THE FAITH (His Commands of Good Works from VIRTUE to GODLINESS to BROTHERLY KINDNESS to LOVE), either the reward is going to be “small” or “spiritual blindness” has been implied clearly (in 2 Peter 1:3 – 11 earlier). So, please don’t be deceived.

 

Also, please don’t forget relative measure as the Poor Widow with 2 coins outdid the giving of others which may “not” even have fed any or fed few in comparison to the rich’s giving “out of their abundance” (Luke 21:1 – 4) which in Principle of Judgment (e.g. Luke 12:46 – 48’s “more is given more is required”) also echoes this same Truth where if you have a bigger audience to reach within your Christian Church/Denomination but you fail to Preach these Greater Rewards for your congregation to attain, do you think ‘your reward is going to be great’?

 

I don’t think so as Christians who don’t share ‘spiritual knowledge’ which can ‘increase another’s heavenly rewards’ may likewise by relative measure ‘attain to little only likewise’ by Fair Judgment and Vice Versa. Here are some key example DOCTRINES which Point to GREATER HEAVENLY REWARDS for those who Practice it:

 

[Example of Commands which are NOT MANDATORY but OPTIONAL which can refer to the “GOOD” which are “not Commands (Mandatory)” but done “WILLINGLY“]:

 

  1. i) Voluntary Poverty for the Charity Doctrine Lifestyle

“… 20The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept [g]from my youth. What do I still lack?”21JESUS said to him, “If you want to be PERFECT, GIVE to the POOR, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, FOLLOW ME.” …” (Matthew 19:20 – 21, NKJV)

 

 

  1. ii) The Eunuch type of Faith

“… For there are eunuchs who were born thus from their mother’s womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves EUNUCHS FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN’S SAKE. He who is ABLE TO ACCEPT IT, LET HIM ACCEPT IT.” …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:12, NKJV)

“… 7For I WISH THAT ALL MEN WERE EVEN as I MYSELF. But each one has his own gift from God, one in this manner and another in that. 8But I say to the UNMARRIED AND TO THE WIDOWS: IT IS GOOD FOR THEM IF THEY REMAIN EVEN AS I AM; 9but if they cannot exercise self-control, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion. … 28 But even if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. Nevertheless such will have TROUBLE IN THE FLESH, but I WOULD SPARE YOU. … 32But I want you to be without care. He who is UNMARRIED CARES FOR THE THINGS OF THE LORD—how he may PLEASE THE LORD. 33But HE WHO IS MARRIED CARES about the THINGS OF THE WORLD—how he may PLEASE HIS WIFE. … 38So then he who GIVES HER IN MARRIAGE DOES WELL, but he WHO DOES NOT GIVE HER IN MARRIAGE DOES BETTER. …” (1 Corinthians 7:7 – 9, 28, 32 – 33, 38, NKJV)

 

 

“… TO THE EUNUCHS who keep my sabbaths,

And CHOOSE WHAT PLEASES ME,

And hold fast My covenant,

5Even to them I WILL GIVE IN MY HOUSE

And WITHIN MY WALLS A PLACE AND A NAME

BETTER THAN THAT OF SONS AND DAUGHTERS;

I will give [a]them AN EVERLASTING NAME

That SHALL NOT BE CUT OFF. …” (Isaiah 56:4 – 5, NKJV)

 

This was discussed in detail in Pages 579 to 586 in the #MysteryoftheKingdomofHeavenBook

 

Note: Nothing wrong in “SEEKING for GLORY and IMMORTALITY and HONOUR” except that don’t seek it from men on earth but on “Judgment Day” from God and thus keep away from man-made doctrines which run down the encouragement to “not” bother about these non-mandatory commands/willing commands as listed above as ‘the loss of it would be eternal’ (so may God Help us to be Wise) in doing what we can BY HIS GRACE ONLY:

 

“… ETERNAL LIFE to those who by PATIENT CONTINUANCE IN DOING GOOD SEEK FOR GLORY, HONOR and IMMORTALITY; …” (Romans 2:7, NKJV)

 

 

As long as we remember that any Good Act we could do is by “God” Working it through us, there will be “no” self-righteousness (as self-righteousness is assuming that we are doing the Good Works instead of admitting that GOD IS THE ONE DOING IT THORUGH US, the “Jesus in You” Principle) as Revealed in example Verse below:

 

“… for it is GOD WHO WORKS IN YOU BOTH TO WILL AND TO DO for His good pleasure. …” (Philippians 2:13, NKJV)

 

In light of all these Bible Verses, “DOING Faith Alone type of Doctrine with Godliness (holiness) only” and TEACHING that doesn’t make one that great s compared to if one DOES AND TEACHES MORE of CHRIST’S COMMANDS and DOCTRINES on EACH OF THESE ASPECTS too “…  ADD TO YOUR FAITH VIRTUE; and TO VIRTUE KNOWLEDGE; (6) And TO KNOWLEDGE TEMPERANCE; and TO TEMPERANCE PATIENCE; and TO PATIENCE GODLINESS; (7) And TO GODLINESS BROTHERLY KINDNESS; and TO BROTHERLY KINDNESS CHARITY Love].  …” (2 Peter 1:5 – 7, KJV).

 

What you DO AND TEACH (“not” do only) will AFFECT the GREATNESS of one in HIS KINGDOM (Reward-Level, implied) because he LOGIC is simple: THE LIFE of VIRTUE and GOOD WORKS which ONE LIVES IN FAITH for CHRIST shows HOW MUCH we APPRECIATE and HONOUR GOD BACK IN RETURN, Verses:

 

“… 19Whoever therefore BREAKS one of the least of THESE COMMANDMENTS, and teaches men so, shall be called LEAST in the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN; but whoever DOES AND TEACHES THEM, he shall be called GREAT in the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. 20For I say to you, that unless YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS EXCEEDS THE RIGHTEOUSNESS of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by NO MEANS ENTER THE KINGDOM of HEAVEN. …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 5:19 – 21, NKJV)

 

This part of DOCTRINE fulfills the GREAT COMMISSION’s  “… 20TEACHING THEM TO OBSERVE ALL THINGS THAT I HAVE COMMANDED YOU …” as based on this the REWARD-LEVEL may be Determined by God:

 

“… 18And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20TEACHING THEM TO OBSERVE ALL THINGS THAT I HAVE COMMANDED YOU; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen. …” (Matthew 28:18 – 20, NKJV)

 

 

 

 

 

Summary: Work of God as Referring to Any Benefit Done toward Christians and Possibilities Beyond

 

“… 5Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers through whom you believed, as the Lord gave to each one? 6I PLANTED, APOLLOS WATERED, but GOD GAVE THE INCREASE. 7So then NEITHER HE WHO PLANTS IS ANYTHING, NOR HE WHO WATERS, BUT GOD WHO GIVES THE INCREASE. 8Now HE WHO PLANTS AND HE WHO WATERS ARE ONE, and EACH ONE WILL RECEIVE HIS OWN REWARD ACCORDING TO HIS OWN LABOR. 9For we are God’s fellow workers; YOU ARE GOD’s FIELD, YOU ARE GOD’s BUILDING. 10According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But LET EACH ONE TAKE HEED HOW HE BUILDS ON IT.  11For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12Now if anyone builds on this foundation with GOLD, SILVER, PRECIOUS STONES, wood, hay, straw, 13each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. 14If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, HE WILL RECEIVE A REWARD. 15If anyone’s WORK IS BURNED, HE WILL SUFFER LOSS; but HE HIMSELF WILL BE SAVED, YET SO AS THROUGH FIRE.” (1 Corinthians 3:5 – 15, NKJV)

Comments:

 

1) The person who ‘converts others’ (the one ‘who plants’) and the person who ‘gives things beneficial to the converts’ (the one ‘who waters’) are NOTHING but just VESSELS USED by GOD (meaning it is actually GOD ALONE WHO IS DOING the WORK through them, the “Jesus in You” Principle)

 

“… 5Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers through whom you believed, as the Lord gave to each one? 6I PLANTED, APOLLOS WATERED, but GOD GAVE THE INCREASE. 7So then NEITHER HE WHO PLANTS IS ANYTHING, NOR HE WHO WATERS, BUT GOD WHO GIVES THE INCREASE. …”(1 Corinthians 3:5 – 7, NKJV)

 

 

2) The person who ‘converts others’ (the one ‘who plants’) and the person who ‘gives things beneficial to the converts’ (the one ‘who waters’) are “one” (or ‘equal In ministry value’) meaning the popular myth of ‘those who convert you are doing the greatest ministry work’ is clearly refuted here

 

“… 8Now HE WHO PLANTS AND HE WHO WATERS ARE ONE, …” (1 Corinthians 3:8, NKJV)

3) Relative Measure for LABOUR part (or “Work” and not ‘Faith only’)

 

“… and EACH ONE WILL RECEIVE HIS OWN REWARD ACCORDING TO HIS OWN LABOR….”

(1 Corinthians 3:8, NKJV)

 

4) Building on God’s Work is Described here directly as “DOING SOMETHING WHICH BENEFITS OTHER CHRISTIANS (BELIEVERS)” which is the CHARITY DOCTRINE with WORLDLY GOODS or SPIRITUAL GOODS because the “Christians” are called as the “Building” and so the “Work” done on them refers to “Benefits” given to “them

 

“… 9For we are God’s fellow workers; YOU ARE GOD’s FIELD, YOU ARE GOD’s BUILDING. 10According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But LET EACH ONE TAKE HEED HOW HE BUILDS ON IT.  …” (1 Corinthians 3:9, NKJV)

 

  1. i) For example if a Christian does “NOT” easily share earthly goods (money, wealth, possessions) or even spiritual goods (Bible knowledge, Bible courses, Bible related things) easily with other Christians but say “SELLS THEM AT HIGH PRICES”, is he building toward a “Gold, Silver or Precious type of Reward” or something much lower due to such “SELFISHNESS”?

 

  1. ii) Mystery “Possibility” part: Since God’s BUILDING or God’s FIELD here is metaphorically CHRISTIANS according to this Verse, so the Judgment Day Verses (in Matthew 25:31 – 46) regarding doing the CHARITY DOCTRINE in Response to “… WHEN I WAS HUNGRY, THIRSTY, NAKED, HOMELESS …” toward the “least of CHRIST’S BRETHREN (can refer to CHRISTIANS according to Matthew 12:48 – 50)” can be included as BUILDING on CHRISTIANS by non-Christian’s ACTS OF KINDNESS too as these Verses Speak which can possibly merit the fruit of salvation needed for some non-Christians to be Saved only during the Second Resurrection on Judgment Day itself IN ANALOGY of the PRINCIPLE set forth here in these Verses itself as I have discussed in previous books with relevant possible First Christianity Authoritative Quotes (too much to detail here), examples:

 

  1. Pages 535 to 581 in the #MysteryoftheKingdomofHeavenBook in free pdf link below

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-zX7XgzguBYHkXWucUZ6xfMInbwtj0Z3/view?usp=sharing

  1. The #UnsolvedMysteryBook – Unsolved Mystery  – Is there Possible Gospel Hope for some Unbelieving Non Christians if Hell is Eternal?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_avSqmISwjySSj5rF5v5AoXXNnfIVB6H/view?usp=sharing

 

Please note carefully that I’m “NOT” saying that this “Mystery part” must certainly be true but rather that this is “POSSIBLE” in light of these Verses and more (as discussed in links or pages quoted above) and so to be “HONEST” I present it and since I AM NOT SURE ENTIRELY which is the case, I accept it either way when God Reveals it One Day.

 

 

5) Not all Reward Levels are the same and each Christian is exhorted to BUILD (WORK) on BENEFITTING other CHRISTIANS (which is the CHARITY DOCTRINE with SPIRITUAL and EARTHLY GOODS, implied metaphorically so clearly here)

 

“… . But LET EACH ONE TAKE HEED HOW HE BUILDS ON IT.  11For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12Now if anyone builds on this foundation with GOLD, SILVER, PRECIOUS STONES, wood, hay, straw, 13each one’s work will become clear;  …” (1 Corinthians 3:10 – 13, NKJV)

 

Note: Foundation = JESUS CHRIST (so the BUILDING WORK is based on HOW MUCH OF HIS COMMANDS WE FULFILL too and most of Christ’s Commands are referring to the CHARITY DOCTRINE LIFESTYLE as you can read the New Testament especially the GOSPELS)

 

 

6) This Verse seems to Point to JUDGMENT DAY Context because the FIRE seems to refer to the LAKE of FIRE Context which is only on JUDGMENT DAY (1000 years after the First Resurrection, Revelation 20:5) and the WORK is TESTED

 

“… 13each one’s work will become clear; for the DAY will declare it, because IT WILL BE REVEALED BY FIRE; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. …” (1 Corinthians 3:13, NKJV)

 

 

7) Not everyone gets a REWARD but only those whose WORK REMAINS under SCRUTINY by GOD’s FIRE against CHRIST’S FOUNDATION of HIS COMMANDS of both FAITH or BELIEVING and WORK (since God is PERFECT, His Standards of Scrutiny will Reveal every intent)

“… 14If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, HE WILL RECEIVE A REWARD. …” …” (1 Corinthians 3:14, NKJV)

 

8) Not everyone gets a Reward as some are only “SAVED BY FIRE

“… 15If anyone’s WORK IS BURNED, HE WILL SUFFER LOSS; but HE HIMSELF WILL BE SAVED, YET SO AS THROUGH FIRE.” (1 Corinthians 3:15, NKJV)

Possibilities:

  1. i) If each Christian is to get a reward is assumed, then this one who is “SAVED THROUGH the LAKE of FIRE” (implied) is then most likely a FALLEN CHRISTIAN who may share a SAME FATE as UNBELIEVERS (as Luke 12:46 – 48 clearly Reveal the ‘few vs many beating likewise according to sins done unknowingly or knowingly respectively’) and thus a NON-CHRISTIAN who is said to share the same fate in this phrase “… 45But IF THAT SERVANT [Christian, impled] …46the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and WILL CUT HIM IN TWO [becomes a fallen Christian*] AND APPOINT HIM HIS PORTION WITH THE UNBELIEVERS. …” (in Luke 12:45 – 46).

 

  1. ii) If NOT each Christian is to get a reward is assumed, then the above must refer to a CHRISTIAN who based on 1 Corinthians 3:15 above is SAVED by FIRE and so OSAS (Once Saved, Always Saved) concept may thus be true for some at least. And such similar analogy in Judgment could extend to non-Christians likewise as discussed in previous books. Since no one knows for sure, we may speculate these possibilities and each one be responsible for both their faith and works respectively. However, admitting human weakness in not being able to understand it as even the Anointed Blessed Apostle St. Peter (who did many miracles too) but still FOUND IT HARD TO UNDERSTAND Blessed Apostle St. Paul’s WISDOM of GOD shows that true CHRISTIANS are NOT required to understand everything IN SCRIPTURE even as this phrase proves: “… as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in WHICH ARE SOME THINGS HARD TO UNDERSTAND, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the REST OF SCRIPTURES. …” (2 Peter 3:16, NKJV)

Note: TWISTING is when you say that it must mean that 100% but in the end you are wrong which in contrast to considering possibilities on such difficult thing is NOT TWISTING as we never said the one who turns out to be right to be wrong, just not sure which.

There are three types of Reward Level in the Heavens for Christians namely, the “THIRTYFOLD vs SIXTYFOLD vs HUNDREFOLD“, Verse:

 

“… But others fell on GOOD GROUND and yielded a crop: some a HUNDREDFOLD, SOME SIXTY, SOME THIRTY. …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 13:8, NKJV)

 

The only Verse which Describes the HUNDREFOLD Harvest of the Gospel (Matthew 13:8) Point to an ACTION of VOLUNTARY POVERTY or LEAVING SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT for the GOSPEL WORK in some Way such as “… leaving WIFE …” (can include the Context of being Unmarried for the Gospel Work) or “… leaving Family (father, mother, brother) …” (to Preach the Gospel or reach out to others or be rejected at home due to your faith) or “… leaving LANDS and HOUSES …” (i.e. literal Charity Doctrine Lifestyle as other New Testament Verses describe this Giving/Sharing, e.g. Acts 2:44 – 46, Acts 4:32) in some Way, Verses:

 

“… 27Then Peter answered and said to Him, “See, we have LEFT ALL and FOLLOWED YOU. Therefore what shall we have?” 28So Jesus said to them, “Assuredly I say to you, that in the REGENERATION, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29And EVERYONE who has LEFT HOUSES or brothers or sisters or father or mother or WIFE or children or LANDS, for MY NAME’S SAKE, shall RECEIVE a HUNDREDFOLD, and INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE. 30But MANY who are FIRST will be LAST, and the LAST FIRST. …” (Matthew 19:27 – 30, NKJV)

 

Note: This “HUNDREDFOLD Reward” is “not” given now in this life as some Prosperity Gospel Preaches err (claiming that they are fulfilling this Verse) but rather this Reward is clearly Pointed by CHRIST HIMSELF to refer to the REGENERATION as it is GIVEN TOGETHER WITH ETERNAL LIFE TOO (First Resurrection Timeline, Revelation 20:4 – 6) in Verses above refuting this common fallacy.

 

Here’s a Mystery: Contrary to the popular misunderstanding that the term “… 30But MANY who are FIRST will be LAST, and the LAST FIRST. …” means all Christians get equal rewards (be it thirtyfold, sixtyfold or hundredfold contradicting even the Gold, Silver vs Precious Stones analogy of reward in 1 Corinthians 3:12 too), the True Meaning is Revealed here by CHRIST HIMSELF that the FIRST refers to the HUNDREDFOLD TYPE OF REWARD and it is to be OBTAINED by the WORKS of RENUNCIATION mentioned here ‘as it is Written’.

 

 

Also, the phrase “….  shall RECEIVE a HUNDREDFOLD, and INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE. …” points to two things namely:

 

  1. “… INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE. …” = The “Faith Alone part” (Salvation)

 

  1. “… shall RECEIVE a HUNDREDFOLD …” = The “Works” part (Reward)

 

It is “not” mentioned that Prayer/ Fasting/ Church Attendance/ Worship / Number of Converts/ Church Size/ How  many people you baptized is going to give this HUNDREDFOLD REWARD but only these things are WRITTEN (if there are other ways, let God Decide One Day but one of these things is certain for a HUNDREFOLD REWARD) namely “… . 29And EVERYONE who has LEFT HOUSES or brothers or sisters or father or mother or WIFE or children or LANDS, for MY NAME’S SAKE, shall RECEIVE a HUNDREDFOLD …” BY CHRIST HIMSELF DIRECTLY (so this is the HIGHEST WISDOM for HEAVENLY REWARDS DOCTRINE).

 

Note: The HUNDREDFOLD Reward is the Highest Reward in His Kingdom as these Verses and First Christianity Quotes have Taught and I have quoted in my free pdf books which you can download from links available on my Facebook Wall or Website if keen.

 

 

 

 

 

Charity Doctrine Perfection – Doing it to All Men beyond Christians and beyond Family and beyond Same Church and beyond Same Race and beyond friends too

 

 

“… 32“But IF YOU LOVE THOSE WHO LOVE YOU, WHAT CREDIT IS THAT TO YOU? …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 6:32, NKJV)

 

“… WHAT DO YOU DO MORE THAN OTHERS? …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 5:47, NKJV)

 

“… 33And IF YOU DO GOOD TO THOSE WHO DO GOOD TO YOU, WHAT CREDIT IS THAT TO YOU?  …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 6:33, NKJV)

 

These Verses in “full”, please consider:

 

“… 27“But I say to you who hear: LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, DO GOOD to those who hate you, 28bless those who curse you, and pray for those PRAY FOR THOSE WHO SPITEFULLY USE YOU. 29To him who strikes you on the one cheek, offer the other also. And from him who takes away your cloak, do not withhold your tunic either. 30GIVE to everyone who asks of you. And from him who takes away your goods DO NOT ASK THEM BACK. 31And just as you want men to do to you, you also do to them likewise. 32“But IF YOU LOVE THOSE WHO LOVE YOU, WHAT CREDIT IS THAT TO YOU? For even sinners love those who love them. 33And IF YOU DO GOOD TO THOSE WHO DO GOOD TO YOU, WHAT CREDIT IS THAT TO YOU? For even sinners do the same. 34And if YOU LEND to those from whom you HOPE TO RECEIVE BACK, what credit is that to you? For even sinners lend to sinners to receive as much back. 35But LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, DO GOOD, AND LEND, [h]HOPING FOR NOTHING IN RETURN; and your REWARD WILL BE GREAT, and YOU WILL BE SONS OF THE MOST HIGH. For He is KIND to the UNTHANKFUL AND EVIL. 36Therefore be merciful, just as your Father also is merciful. …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 6:27 – 36, NKJV)

Peace to you

 

 

 

Which Love was meant in let all you do be done in Love?

 

Which Love was meant in Verse in image?

 

 

You guessed it, the CHARITY DOCTRINE LIFESTYLE, Verses in “full” (so that this “First Meaning/First Context” of Scripture may not be lost when this Verse was Written):

 

“… 13Watch, stand fast in the faith, be brave, be strong. 14LET ALL THAT YOU DO BE DONE WITH LOVE. 15I urge you, brethren—you know the household of Stephanas, that it is the firstfruits of Achaia, and that THEY HAVE DEVOTED THEMSELVES TO the MINISTRY OF THE SAINTS— 16that you also SUBMIT TO SUCH, AND TO EVERYONE WHO WORKS AND LABORS WITH US. 17I am glad about the coming of Stephanas, Fortunatus, and Achaicus, FOR WHAT WAS LACKING ON YOUR PART THEY SUPPLIED. 18For they refreshed my spirit and yours. THEREFORE ACKNOWLEDGE SUCH MEN. …” (1 Corinthians 16:13 – 18, NKJV)

 

 

 

Here are the same set of Verses in an easier English translation for clarity regarding this Beautiful Family (the “Household of Stephanas”) who dedicated their lives to PRACTICING THE CHARITY DOCTRINE LIFESTYLE to PROVIDE FOR THE NEEDS of BELIEVERS in their midst:

 

“… 13Be on guard. Stand firm in the faith. Be courageous.c Be strong. 14And DO EVERYTHING WITH LOVE. 15You know that Stephanas and his household were the first of the harvest of believers in Greece,d and THEY ARE SPENDING THEIR LIVES IN SERVICE TO GOD’S PEOPLE. I urge you, dear brothers and sisters,e 16to SUBMIT TO THEM AND OTHERS LIKE THEM WHO SERVE WITH SUCH DEVOTION. 17I am very glad that Stephanas, Fortunatus, and Achaicus have come here. THEY HAVE BEEN PROVIDING THE HELP YOU WEREN’T HERE TO GIVE ME. 18They have been a wonderful encouragement to me, as they have been to you. YOU MUST SHOW YOUR APPRECIATION TO ALL WHO SERVE SO WELL. …” (1 Corinthians 16:13 – 18, NLT)

 

This “Household of Stephanas” may have been the same one among the very few whom Blessed Apostle St. Paul baptized. Verses:

 

“… 14I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15lest anyone should say that I had baptized in my own name. 16YES, I ALSO BAPTIZED THE HOUSEHOLD of STEPHANAS. Besides, I do not know whether I baptized any other. 17For CHRIST DID NOT SEND ME TO BAPTIZE, BUT TO PREACH THE GOSPEL, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect …” (1 Corinthians 1:14 – 17, NKJV)

 

 

Peace to you

 

 

Example of a New Testament Doctrine – The Charity Doctrine of using Your Own Money to Benefit Others in some way

 

Source Post:

https://www.facebook.com/jonathan.ramachandran/posts/10161487759717784

 

Note: “Your own money” is meant clearly here (and “not” only other people’s money “nor” only money collected at Church or by Donations) in this Image which discusses this aspect by CHRIST HIMSELF on Page 423 in the #MysteryoftheKingdomofHeavenBook

 

Doctrine is especially anything which Christ Commanded for this New Covenant and even especially those things that affect something “ETERNALLY”.

 

For example:  The Original Koine Greek Word “Aionion” translated as ‘Eternal here (same Word)’ in “EVERLASTING HOME” (Luke 16:9, NKJV) is used in “Eternal Punishment” vs “Everlasting  Life” in Matthew 25:46 as well. So the consequences of missing in this Doctrine are “Eternal”. Are we risking people’s life likewise by not teaching this “Charity Doctrine” by  Christ Himself?

In short, CHRIST DECLARES (“not” me) in image that the FAITHFULNESS of a CHRISTIAN is “not” measured by ‘… how many hours he prays, fasts, attends church, worships etc. …’ (if someone says so, please ask them FOR A BIBLE VERSE where CHRIST SAYS it DIRECTLY and you will find “none”) in comparison to as much as one LIVES and DOES this CHARITY DOCTRINE LIFESTYLE as Christ Clearly Asks in Verse in image via a simpler English Translation as follows

 

“… . 11And IF YOU ARE UNTRUSTWORTHY ABOUT WORLDLY WEALTH, who will trust you with the TRUE  RICHES OF HEAVEN? …” (Luke 16:11, NLT) where the JUDGMENT for this is ONLY BASED on “… 9Here’s the lesson: USE YOUR WORLDLY RESOURCES to BENEFIT OTHERS AND MAKE FRIENDS. Then, when your possessions are gone, they will welcome you to an ETERNAL HOME. 10“If you are faithful in little things, you will be faithful in large ones. …” (Luke 16:9 – 10, NLT) by CHRIST HIMSELF.

 

Please don’t be deceived and please be very careful of “expensive Bible courses to Bible books to hoarding God’s Money as blessings or equivalent as these Verses Contradict all that”.

 

Indeed, please follow ‘what is Written’ as ‘sweet words’ can be ‘against #WhatHeSaid and ‘just makes them feel good but it’s NOT a BIBLE VERSE and WORST STILL IT SPEAKS AGAINST THESE DIRECT WORDS of CHRIST “as it is Written”.

 

Last but not least, please remember that the “Denied” Christians all were claiming ‘spiritual gifts type of focus such as casting out demons or prophesying or miracles in His Name’ but CHRIST DENIES them plainly giving the reason of “LAWLESSNESS” (i.e. “not” obeying “HIS COMMANDS”) and so no one is denied for OBEYING HIS WORDS which HE LIKENS to BUILDING A HOUSE ON THE ROCK in these same set of Verses (hence ‘same context’ in Matthew 7:20 – 24) and so there’s “no” self righteousness or dangerous theology in “obeying His Words”. These Verses:

 

“… 21“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22MANY will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23And then I will declare to them, ‘I NEVER KNEW YOU; depart from Me, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS!’ 24“Therefore WHOEVER HEARS THESE SAYINGS OF MINE, and DOES THEM, I will liken him to a WISE MAN WHO BUILT HIS HOUSE ON THE ROCK: …” (Matthew 7:21 – 24, NKJV)

 

“… 46“But WHY DO YOU CALL ME ‘LORD, LORD,’ and NOT DO THE THINGS WHICH I SAY? 47Whoever comes to Me, and hears My sayings and does them, I will show you whom he is like: 48He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 6:46 – 48, NKJV)

 

Note: To “avoid LAWLESSNESS“, The “LAW” part Christ Refers to is “not the abolished Torah Observances as some Christian err” but ONLY THE THINGS WHICH CHRIST SAID (either those He Re-enforced from the TORAH or NEW TESTAMENT COMMANDS such as the CHARITY DOCTRINE LIFESTYLE here). Can you see it please ‘as it is Written’?

 

Peace to you

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

#UnsolvedMysteryBook

 

Latest Update: 30 October 2021

 

Unsolved Mystery  – Is there Possible Gospel Hope for some Unbelieving Non Christians if Hell is Eternal?

 

Free e-Book PDF Link:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_avSqmISwjySSj5rF5v5AoXXNnfIVB6H/view?usp=sharing

 

This book is written to look at some difficult Bible Verses and see if they actually point to a broader hope with the assumption that Hell is Eternal. The motivation behind this book is Bible Verses only at first because some Verses seem to point to a more general hope beyond Christians only and we wish to discuss some of those type of Verses here. The general timeline or Prophecy assumed in this Book is called Millennialism or  Chiliasm which is believed by the foremost authorities of Scripture in First Christianity. We know that the Roman Catholics did not tamper with these Chiliasm quotes because they do not believe in it today but yet they preserved these quotes which are contradictory to what they believe. Roman Catholics today believe instead that we are undergoing the 1000 years Millennial Reign of Christ now by viewing Scripture too allegorically which I strongly oppose. This Chiliasm Timeline opens up some of the Judgment Day Bible Verses to possibly refer to a broader hope to include some non-Christians or unbelievers to be given a chance between now and the Last day (Sabbath, Seventh Day of the 1000 Years Millennial Reign Timeline) to repent in the Spirit World most likely post Judgment first after their death but live to God in the Spirit. We do not teach this as Doctrine because we respect the fact that Majority of Christians do not see it this way and do not see any hope for non-Christians beyond this temporal life. So the chances of them being correct is higher if the concept of ‘which doctrine prevailed must be truth’ as some suppose is taken into consideration. However, there is this small chance that this Hope for some non-Christians (if not all) could be one of the hidden things of the Spiritual World which may be interpreted with Holy Scripture as we share in this book. Personally, I am not sure 100% either way and since only God Knows and whatever He Decides on that Day, I accept it Heartily and since we can choose to “not judge” these Hidden Things of the Future Prophecies till they come to pass or UNTIL CHRIST (THE LORD) COMES (in His Second Coming) as per Verse below and I choose that path:

 

“… Therefore JUDGE NOTHING BEFORE THE TIME, UNTIL THE LORD COMES, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness and reveal the counsels of the hearts. Then each one’s praise will come from God. …” (1 Corinthians 4:5, NKJV)

 

More Related Thought “Possibilities” – Christ Centered Universalism Hope – Is it Real or a Misunderstanding of Scripture? (please click on link below for an easier reading)

 

https://www.facebook.com/785428511491071/posts/4509484589085426/

 

 

Peace to you

 

 

 

 

 

Possible Doctrinal Implications based on 2 ESDRAS from the Narrow Gate Mystery to Christ Centered Universalism

 

Source Post:

https://www.facebook.com/jonathan.ramachandran/posts/10161496631247784

 

  1. Background

 

  1. Firstly, Christ Himself may have quoted 2 ESDRAS and please note that 2 Esdras was written before Christ (500 BC – 70 BC) as discussed in link below:

 

https://www.facebook.com/jonathan.ramachandran/posts/10161495609877784

 

Note: CE (Common Era) is the secular way of saying AD (Anno Domini, Year of the Lord, the years after Christ’s Incarnation in the Flesh estimate).

 

  1. 2 ESDRAS is one of the First 1611 King James Version Bible’s Apocrypha too and even Blessed Martin Luther (the First Protestant has called these books “good” though not equal to rest of Scripture which is discussed in link below:

 

https://www.facebook.com/jonathan.ramachandran/posts/10161493460847784

 

  1. Description of the CELESTIAL (Heavenly) Kingdom of God, Rewards and the First Resurrection

 

“… 33 I, Ezra, received a command from the Lord on Mount Horeb to go to Israel. When I came to them they rejected me and refused the Lord’s commandment. 34 Therefore I say to you, O NATIONS that HEAR and UNDERSTAND, “Wait for your shepherd; he will give you everlasting rest, because he who will come at the END OF THE AGE is close at hand. 35 Be ready for the REWARDS of the KINGDOM, because PERPETUAL LIGHT WILL SHINE on you FOREVERMORE. 36 Flee from the shadow of this age, receive the joy of your glory; I publicly call on my savior to witness. 37 Receive what the Lord has entrusted to you and be joyful, GIVING THANKS TO HIM who has called you to the CELESTIAL KINGDOMS. 38 Rise, stand erect and see the number of those who have been sealed at the FEAST OF THE LORD. 39 THOSE who have DEPARTED from the SHADOW of THIS AGE have RECEIVED GLORIOUS GARMENTS from the Lord. 40 Take again your full number, O Zion, and close the list of your people who are clothed in white, who have fulfilled the law of the Lord. 41 The number of your children, whom you desired, is now complete; implore the Lord’s authority that your people, who have been called from the beginning, may be made holy.” …” (2 Esdras 2:33 – 41, NRSV)

 

Source:

 

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Esdras%202&version=NRSV&interface=amp#fen-NRSV-36289i

 

“… 42 I, Ezra, saw on MOUNT ZION a GREAT MULTITUDE that I could not number, and they all were praising the Lord with songs. 43 In their midst was a YOUNG MAN OF GREAT STATURE, TALLER than any of the others, and on the HEAD of EACH of them HE PLACED A CROWN, but HE WAS MORE EXALTED THAN THEY. And I was held SPELLBOUND. 44 Then I asked an angel, “Who are these, my lord?” 45 He answered and said to me, “These are they who have put off mortal clothing and have put on the immortal, and have CONFESSED THE NAME OF GOD. Now they are being CROWNED, and RECEIVE PALMS.” 46 Then I said to the angel, “Who is that young man who is placing crowns on them and putting palms in their hands?” 47 He answered and said to me, “HE IS THE SON OF GOD, WHOM THEY CONFESSED in the WORLD.” So I began to praise those who had stood valiantly for the name of the Lord. 48 Then the angel said to me, “Go, tell my people how great and how many are the wonders of the Lord God that you have seen.” …” (2 Esdras 2:42 – 48, NRSV)

 

Source:

 

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Esdras%202&version=NRSV&interface=amp#fen-NRSV-36289i

 

A related Post titled “Mystery of the First Resurrection with 2 Esdras- only these are the Sons of God equal to Angels”

 

https://www.facebook.com/651792783/posts/10160177872952784/

 

  1. Did 2 ESDRAS Reveal any Doctrine which the other 24 (or renamed 39) Books of the Old Testament fail to Describe Vividly?

 

Yes, the VIVID Description of HADES (Sheol) is found in 2 ESDRAS below which CHRIST HIMSELF confirmed as TRUE in His Story of the “Rich Man and Lazarus” (Luke 16:19 – 31) but such a description is NOT found among any of the 39 Books of the Old Testament! Verses:

 

“… 41 And I said, “No, lord, it cannot.” He said to me, “IN HADES the CHAMBERS of the SOULS are LIKE THE WOMB. 42 For just as a woman who is in labor makes haste to escape the pangs of birth, SO ALSO DO THESE PLACES HASTEN TO GIVE BACK THOSE THINGS THAT WERE COMMITTED TO THEM FROM THE BEGINNING. 43 Then the things that you desire to see will be disclosed to you.” …” (2 Esdras 4:41 to 43, NRSV)

 

Source:

 

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Esdras+4&version=NRSV

 

Comment: In short, 2 Esdras above Reveals Compartments of Hades as Christ Taught in the Rich Man and Lazarus Story (Luke 16:19 – 31). Also, the fact that HADES will GIVE BACK what it contains is a NEW TESTAMENT Verse agreeing to this too regarding Judgment Day below:

 

“… The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and HADES DELIVERED UP THE DEAD WHO WERE IN THEM. And they were judged, each one according to his works. …” (Revelation 20:13, NKJV)

 

This is important because it shows the accuracy of 2 ESDRAS (which was Written BEFORE CHRIST) on a Key Doctrine NOT found in the other 39 Books and so its other Doctrinal Possibilities could likewise be unique or vaguely only hinted in the 39 Books. Can you see this “Possibility”?

 

 

 

 

  1. 2 Esdras also Clearly Describes the Charity Doctrine as meriting the First Place in the First Resurrection

 

“… 10 Thus says the Lord to Ezra: “ … 13 Go and you will receive; pray that your days may be few, that they may be shortened. The kingdom is already prepared for you; be on the watch! … 20 “GUARD the RIGHTS of the WIDOW, secure justice for the ward, GIVE to the NEEDY, DEFEND the ORPHAN, CLOTHE the NAKED, 21 CARE for the INJURED and the WEAK, do not ridicule the lame, protect the maimed, and let the blind have a vision of my splendor. 22 PROTECT the OLD and the YOUNG within your walls. 23 When you find any who are dead, commit them to the grave and mark it, and I will give you the FIRST PLACE in MY RESURRECTION.My power will protect you, so that your children may not see HELL.[GEHENNA] …” (2 Esdras 2:10, 13, 20 – 23, 29, NRSV)

 

Source:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Esdras%202&version=NRSV&interface=amp#fen-NRSV-36289i

 

This Concept also is unique to 2 Esdras and not the other Old Testament Books so explicitly but was echoed by Christ in Example Verses below likewise (please see Matthew 25:31 – 46 which agrees in Principle too regarding what one did in response to ‘… When I was Hungry, Thirsty, Naked, Homeless …’) agreeing to this. Yes, Christ links this Charity Doctrine Lifestyle Acts directly to the Salvation in the Resurrection of the Just:

 

“… 12Then He also said to him who invited Him, “When you give a dinner or a supper, do not ask your friends, your brothers, your relatives, nor rich neighbors, lest they also invite you back, and you be repaid. 13But when you give a feast, invite the POOR, the [d]MAIMED, THE LAME, THE BLIND. 14And you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you; for you shall be REPAID AT THE RESURRECTION OF THE JUST.” …” (Luke 14:12 – 14, NKJV)

 

“… 21So that servant came and reported these things to his master. Then the master of the house, being angry, said to his servant, ‘Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and BRING IN HERE THE POOR AND THE [f]MAIMED AND THE LAME AND THE BLIND.’ 22And the servant said, ‘Master, it is done as you commanded, and still there is room.’ 23Then the master said to the servant, ‘Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled. 24For I say to you that none of those men who were invited shall taste my supper.’ ” …” (Luke 14:21 – 24, NKJV)

  1. FEW SAVED – Christ Centered Universalism – Worst Case Scenario with Blessed Prophet Ezra in 2 ESDRAS

 

Firstly, the Verse here (in image too) regarding “FEW SAVED” seems to particularly refer to the FIRST RESURRECTION CONTEXT as I have discussed in the #MysteryoftheKingdomofHeavenBook (in free pdf in link below) on PAGES 354 to 361 with St. Irenaeous’ quotes likewise with Bible Verses too:

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-zX7XgzguBYHkXWucUZ6xfMInbwtj0Z3/view?usp=sharing

 

and in 2 ESDRAS next, we seem to find that ‘this is the Context in that only FEW are SAVED in the FIRST RESURRECTION’ (Revelation 20:4 – 6) as the ‘… But the REST OF THE DEAD LIVED NOT AGAIN UNTIL THE THOUSAND YEARS WERE FINISHED. This is the first resurrection. …’ (Revelation 20:5, KJV) where regarding the SECOND RESURRECTION, 2 ESDRAS doesn’t explicitly point to it but the WICKED are definitely judged.

 

What if Christ Centered Universalism Hope is wrong? Wouldn’t you be condemned as a ‘false prophet’ and Denied on that Day and sent to Hell forever?

 

Firstly, Blessed Prophet Ezra himself asked for a “Christ Centered Universalism Hope” and was very insistent of it BUT GOD DID NOT GET ANGRY NOR SENT him to HELL as 2 ESDRAS clearly records this event, to quote (in detail):

 

To quote:

 

  1. i) Blessed Prophet Ezra asks God to have Mercy on the Wicked on the Future Judgment Day

 

“… 44 But human beings, who are shaped by your hands and named in your image, because they are made in your likeness, for whom you created all things—have you compared them to a farmer’s seeds? 45 No, Lord above us, but spare your people and have mercy on your inheritance, for you have mercy on your own creation.” …” (2 Esdras 8:44 – 45, CEB*)

Source: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Esdras%208&version=CEB

*CEB = Common English Bible (Version)

 

Divine Reply:

 

“… 46 He answered me: “The present things are for those who now are, and the future things for the future. 47 You are a long way from loving my creation more than I do. But you have often associated yourself with the wicked. Never do so! 48 But even in this respect the Most High will admire you, 49 because you have humbled yourself, as befits you, and didn’t count yourself among the righteous so that you may be glorified the more. 50 Many miseries will afflict those who inhabit the world in the last times because they will walk in great pride. 51 But think of yourself and ask about the glory of those like you. 52 For you, paradise is opened, the tree of life is planted, the future time is prepared, abundance is made ready, the city is built, rest is appointed, goodness is perfected, and wisdom is perfected in advance. 53 The root of evil is sealed off from you, weakness is abolished from you, and death is hidden; the netherworld and decay have fled into oblivion. 54 Sorrows have passed, and the treasure of immortality is displayed to the end. 55 Therefore, don’t continue to ask about the great many who perish. …” (2 Esdras 8:46 – 55, CEB)

Source: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Esdras%208&version=CEB

 

Comment: Instead of Condemning Prophet Ezra to Hell for ‘his Universalist Hope’ or ‘removing rewards due to not getting the eternal hell part correctly’, the Divine Reply was ‘praising Prophet Ezra for humbling himself to consider the wicked’  and even considers to Give Prophet Ezra to be “glorified the more” as these phrases in Verse 48 means ‘… 48 But even in this respect the Most High will admire you, 49 because you have humbled yourself, as befits you, and didn’t count yourself among the righteous so that you may be glorified the more. …’.

 

  1. ii) Judgment day Decision is Final

 

“… 102 I answered: “If you look on me with favor, show your servant further whether on the Judgment Day the just will be able to seek mercy for the wicked or intercede for them with the Most High. 103 Will parents be allowed to intercede for children, children for parents, siblings for each other, relatives for those close to them, faithful ones for those most dear to them?” 104 He replied to me: “Because I do indeed favor you, I will also show you this. The Judgment Day is decisive. It reveals the seal of truth to all. Even in the here and now a parent doesn’t send a child, or a child the parent, or a master his servant, or a faithful friend a dear confidant, so that the one should understand or sleep or eat or be taken care of in the other person’s place. 105 Just so, no one will ever intercede for another; everyone will then bear his or her own deeds of justice or injustice.” …” (2 Esdras 7:102 – 105, CEB)

Source: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Esdras%207&version=CEB

 

iii) Only a Few will be Saved

 

“… He answered me: “The Most High made this world for the sake of many but the future world for the sake of few. 2 But I will tell you a parable, Ezra. Just as when you ask the earth and it tells you that it provides much clay to make earthenware, but little dust from which gold comes to be, so the present world also works. 3 Many indeed are created, but few will be saved.” ...” (2 Esdras 8:1 – 3, CEB)

Source: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Esdras%208&version=CEB

 

  1. iv) God may Choose to Show Mercy on some in Faith while some for their Good Works

 

“… 7 All this—WHO WILL BE SAVED, who will be able TO ESCAPE THROUGH THEIR WORKS OR THROUGH THE FAITH with which THEY BELIEVE …” (2 Esdras 9:7, CEB)

Source: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Esdras%209&version=CEB

 

Comment: If this Verse is True, it opens up the “Possibility” that some Good Non-Christians may be Saved during the Second Resurrection as Matthew 25:31 – 46 may be pointing based on the Charity Doctrine WORKS as FRUITS of Salvation in response to how they treated Christ’s least Brethren (Matthew 12:48 – 50) in Response to ‘… When I was Hungry, Thirsty, Naked, Homeless, …’ as I have pointed in page 63 of this Book and in detail in Pages 535 to 581 in the #MysteryoftheKingdomofHeavenBook in link prior too.

 

  1. v) Even after being told that only a “few are saved”, Prophet Ezra still tries interceding his ‘universalist hope’ of ‘mercy’ on those with ‘no good works’

 

“… 32 If you desire to have pity on us who have no good deeds to our credit, then you will be called compassionate. 33 The righteous who have many works laid up with you will receive a reward for their own works. 34 What are human beings that you should be angry with them, or a corrupt race that you should be irate with them? 35 In truth, no one born has not violated your commands, and no one who grew up has not sinned. 36 But this shows your goodness, Lord, when you have pity on those who have no stockpile of good works. …” (2 Esdras 8:32 – 26, CEB)

Source: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Esdras%208&version=CEB

 

Comment: Instead of ‘condemning’ Prophet Ezra for requesting God’s Mercy on behalf of those who have “no” good works, the Divine Reply just Gently brushes his request off without diminishing any of prophet Ezra’s reward or ‘warning prophet Ezra’ that he will be condemned, Verses:

 

“… 37 He answered me: “You have said some things correctly, and according to your words it will be done. 38 Indeed, I won’t think about the formation of sinners or their death or judgment or damnation, 39 but I will rejoice over the creation of the righteous, their journey also, and their deliverance and receipt of a reward. … 55 Therefore, don’t continue to ask about the great many who perish. 56 They also received freedom, but they despised the Most High, spoke ill of his Law, and abandoned his ways. …” (2 Esdras 8:37 – 39, 55 – 56, CEB)

 

3) The Conversation turns to a different Topic from chapter 9 onward regarding the signs of the last days.

 

Then nearing the end of this Book of 2 Esdras (which has 16 chapters), the Divine Voice Speaks to prophet Ezra as follows:

 

“… He said to me: 3 “I revealed myself in a bush and spoke to Moses when my people were enslaved in Egypt. 4 I sent him and brought my people out of Egypt, and I led him to Mount Sinai, and I kept him with me for many days. 5 I told him many wondrous things and showed him the secrets of the times and the end of the times. I commanded him, saying, 6 ‘You will make these words public, but you will keep these other words secret.’ …” (2 Esdras 14:3 – 6, CEB)

Source: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Esdras%2014&version=CEB

 

So similarly, Prophet Ezra was told to reconstruct the 24 Bible Old Testament Books which were ‘lost or damaged at that time’ under ‘Inspiration’ and wrote a further ’70 secret books to the wise’ which he cannot put in the ‘public canon’, Verses:

 

“… 23 He replied to me: “Go, gather the people and say to them that they shouldn’t seek you for forty days. 24 Gather up many writing tablets, and take with you Sarea, Dabria, Selemia, Ethanus, and Asiel, these five, who are trained to write fast. 25 Come here, and I will light in your heart the lamp of understanding. It won’t be extinguished until you have written everything down. 26 When you are finished, you will make some things public, others you will transmit secretly to the wise. You will begin to write tomorrow at this time.” …” (2 Esdras 14:23 – 26, CEB)

 

Source: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Esdras%2014&version=CEB

 

Conclusion

 

Two possibilities:

 

  1. 2 Esdras is Divinely Inspired

 

If the eternal hell language in 2 Esdras is true, then it’s also true that there were 70 secret books written which might reveal further insights where some of these Books could be the ones listed below (where some of which has the ‘Final Christ Centered Universalism Hope’):

 

  1. i) Apocalypse of Elijah

 

https://web.facebook.com/jonathan.ramachandran/posts/10159622630577784

 

  1. ii) Book of 1Enoch

 

https://web.facebook.com/jonathan.ramachandran/posts/10159548315757784

 

or this

https://web.facebook.com/jonathan.ramachandran/posts/10159489970167784

 

iii) Epistle of the Apostles

 

https://web.facebook.com/jonathan.ramachandran/posts/10159631284097784

 

  1. iv) Apocalypse of Zephaniah

 

https://web.facebook.com/jonathan.ramachandran/posts/10159631226447784

 

  1. v) Jewish Christian Sibyline Oracles – a Tradition by Blessed and Great St. Paul the Apostle?

 

https://web.facebook.com/jonathan.ramachandran/posts/10158298054362784

 

  1. vi) Jewish Targums

 

https://web.facebook.com/jonathan.ramachandran/posts/10158865159207784

 

vii) Apocalypse of Peter

 

https://web.facebook.com/jonathan.ramachandran/posts/10158849943722784

 

viii) Arguments for Hell is not Eternal using Bible Verses using the same words Olam/Aeon

 

https://web.facebook.com/jonathan.ramachandran/posts/10159410771327784

 

  1. ix) Arguments for the Possibility that Olam/Aeon used to denote Exactly 1000 Years by Christ Himself

 

https://web.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10159511823312784

 

  1. x) Three Types of Men: Elect, Righteous and Sinners Categorization Mystery?

 

https://web.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10159489956072784

 

 

  1. xi) Apocalypse of Ezra – Christ Centered Universalism Hope?

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10159631095687784&id=651792783

 

  1. 2 Esdras is not Divinely Inspired

 

If this is true, then we need not worry about the eternal hell threat either based on this writing, right? Also, even by assuming an eternal hell threat for the wicked, this writing does “not” condemn the “universalist hopeful attitude of Prophet Ezra” who ‘repeatedly seems not to give up asking for hopeeven after being answered ‘to not ask further’ several times. Also, there is “no” warning or condemnation or loss of reward threatened to prophet Ezra for keeping on ‘trying so’ except some ‘great compliments’. Strange Indeed.

 

  1. Deeper Discussion Points based on 2 Esdras’ Judgment Day Description

 

“… 28 For my son the Messiah[d] shall be revealed with those who are with him, and those who remain shall rejoice four hundred years. 29 After those years my son the Messiah shall die, and all who draw human breath.[e] 30 Then the world shall be turned back to primeval silence for seven days, as it was at the first beginnings, so that no one shall be left. 31 After seven days the world that is not yet awake shall be roused, and that which is corruptible shall perish. 32 The earth shall give up those who are asleep in it, and the dust those who rest there in silence; and the chambers shall give up the souls that have been committed to them. 33 The Most High shall be revealed on the seat of judgment, and compassion shall pass away, and patience shall be withdrawn.[f] 34 Only judgment shall remain, truth shall stand, and faithfulness shall grow strong. 35 Recompense shall follow, and the reward shall be manifested; righteous deeds shall awake, and unrighteous deeds shall not sleep.[g] 36 The pit[h] of torment shall appear, and opposite it shall be the place of rest; and the furnace of hell[i] shall be disclosed, and opposite it the paradise of delight. 37 Then the Most High will say to the nations that have been raised from the dead, ‘Look now, and understand whom you have denied, whom you have not served, whose commandments you have despised. 38 Look on this side and on that; here are delight and rest, and there are fire and torments.’ Thus he will[j] speak to them on the day of judgment—  … 60 So also will be the judgment[q] that I have promised; for I will rejoice over the few who shall be saved, because it is they who have made my glory to prevail now, and through them my name has now been honored. 61 I will not grieve over the great number of those who perish; for it is they who are now like a mist, and are similar to a flame and smoke—they are set on fire and burn hotly, and are extinguished.”…” (2 Esdras 7:28 – 38, 60 – 61,  NRSV)

Source: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Esdras%207&version=NRSV

Comments:

 

  1. The Messiah is only Said to Reign for 400 years (instead of a thousand years, Revelation 20:4 – 6) and it doesn’t seem logical especially the part where the Messiah DIES AFTER that (Contradiction!)

 

“… 28 For my son the Messiah[d] shall be revealed with those who are with him, and those who remain shall rejoice four hundred years. 29 After those years my son the Messiah shall die, and all who draw human breath.[e] 30 Then the world shall be turned back to primeval silence for seven days, as it was at the first beginnings, so that no one shall be left.  …”

 

Some strange explanations are given in example Christian Forum below:

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/how-do-you-interpret-the-400-years-for-the-revealing-of-the-messiah-in-2-esdras.8125245/

 

However, all the explanations given in link above (a standard by scholars who support it) FAIL in one part clearly NAMELY that not only the Messiah Dies but ALL MANKIND TOO absolutely, the phrase above “… 29 After those years my son the Messiah shall die, and ALL WHO DRAW HUMAN BREATH. … SO THAT NO ONE SHALL BE LEFT …”.

 

  1. No matter how such scholars try to point that this timeline must refer to Christ’s Incarnation, the Verses here clearly point to JUDGMENT DAY SECOND RESURRECTION Context as ‘after those 7 days’, this is described:

 

“… 31 After seven days the world that is not yet awake shall be roused, and that which is corruptible shall perish. 32 The earth shall give up those who are asleep in it, and the dust those who rest there in silence; and the chambers shall give up the souls that have been committed to them. 33 The Most High shall be revealed on the seat of judgment, and compassion shall pass away, and patience shall be withdrawn. … 35 Recompense shall follow, and the reward shall be manifested; righteous deeds shall awake, and unrighteous deeds shall not sleep.[g] 36 The pit[h] of torment shall appear, and opposite it shall be the place of rest; and the furnace of hell[i] shall be disclosed, and opposite it the paradise of delight …”

Note: Hell[i] here is described using the Words “…Lat Syr Ethiop Gehenna …” which refers to the Lake of Fire Timeline as claimed (e.g. Matthew 10:28).

iii. Is there a DAY of JUDGMENT HOPE shown here to THE RESURRECTED NATIONS for them to CHOOSE one LAST TIME BETWEEN GOD and HELL?

 

“… 37 Then the MOST HIGH WILL SAY TO THE NATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED FROM THE DEAD, ‘Look now, and understand whom you have denied, whom you have not served, whose commandments you have despised. 38 Look on this side and on that; here are delight and rest, and there are fire and torments.’ Thus he will[j] speak to them on the DAY OF JUDGMENT—  …”

 

The Verses doesn’t describe further this part.

 

  1. If Verses 28 to 30 are unreliable or may have been tampered with (due to the claim that the MESSIAH DIES after 400 year reign followed by ALL HUMANS DIE after that), it could be Verses 60 – 61’s FEW SAVED on JUDGMENT Day context could likewise be questioned too, right? As I pointed out, the FEW SAVED which CHRIST MENTIONED refers not to this GEHENNA Timeline (Verse 36) but rather the FIRST RESURRECTION TIMELINE and NOT JUDGMENT DAY most likely (details in pages from Books quoted earlier in point 4(iv) earlier, compare with Revelation 20:4 – 6, Revelation 20:11 – 15 which are SEPARATED by 1000 YEARS).

 

  1. Is this 2 Esdras Writing Quoted by Christ? Not sure but possible as discussed in link below:

https://www.facebook.com/jonathan.ramachandran/posts/10161495609877784

So some parts of 2 Esdras could be authentic whilst other tampered with? or we don’t understand it correctly.

 

  1. Based on 2 ESDRAS 14:44 – 48’s 70 Secret Canonical Books, it’s possible that this NON-ELECT SALVATION from the LAKE OF FIRE granted at the PRAYERS of the RIGHTEOUS in the end to be seen from the following FIRST JEWISH CHRISTIANITY BOOKS (though “no” one can either conclusively affirm “nor” deny the authenticity of these in 100% manner, and so that’s why all these are ONLY POSSIBILITIES and NOT DOCTRINE), to quote (I’m going to quote these as possible candidates of these 70 Books for this part):

 

  1. Apocalypse of Elijah
  2. Apocalypse of Zephaniah

iii. Apocalypse of Ezra

Please consider:

 

  1. i) Apocalypse of Elijah (quoted earlier on Page 104 too)

 

1) Firstly, was the ‘Apocalypse of Elijah’ possibly  quoted in the Bible?

 

“…  Origen, Ambrosiaster, and Euthalius ascribe First Epistle to the Corinthians 2:9 to it:  Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.  Epiphanius[1] ascribes to this work Eph. 5:14: Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light. …”

 

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse_of_Elijah

 

2) Church Fathers and the Earliest Bible Canons

 

“… This apocalypse is mentioned in the Apostolic Constitutions, the List of the Sixty Books, the Synopsis of Pseudo-Athanasius, the Stichometry of Nicephorus, and the Armenian list of Mechithar.  … If they are right, the apocalypse is pre-Pauline. The peculiar form in which this quotation appears in Clement of Alexandria, Protrepticus x. 94, and the Apostolic Constitutions vii. 32, shows that both have the same source, probably this apocalypse. …”

 

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse_of_Elijah

 

3) Christ Centered Universalism

 

The Christian Version/Preservation of this Apocalypse of Elijah has the following Christ Centered Universalism Prophecy toward those in Gehenna/Lake of Fire after the Prayer of the Righteous for their Salvation “many times”:

 

“… 23.And the fire will prevail over the earth seventy-two cubits.  It will consume the sinners and the devils like stubble.

24.A true judgment will occur.

25.On that day, the mountains and the earth will utter speech.  The byways will speak with one another, saying, “Have you heard today the voice of a man who walks who has not come to the judgment of the Son of YHWH.”

26.The sins of each one will stand against him in the place where they were committed, whether those of the day or of the night.

27.Those who belong to the righteous and … will see the sinners and those who persecuted them and those who handed them over to death in their torments.

28.Then the sinners [ in torment ] will see the place of the righteous.

29.And thus grace will occurIn those days, that which the righteous will ask for many times will be given to them. …” – Apocalypse of Elijah (Verses 23 – 29)

 

Source:

 

http://www.3-in-1.net/Pseudepigrapha/Apocalypse%20of%20Elijah/The%20Apocalypse%20of%20Elijah.htm

 

Comment: The Christ Centered Universalism part is Prophesied in Verse 29 in the context of Lake of Fire (Verse 23) on Judgment Day (Verse 25, 27 – 28).

 

I cannot ascertain anything 100% but I just present it as a “Possibility”.

 

Recap: This Apocalypse of Elijah Book can be one of the ’70 Secret Books’ which Blessed Prophet Ezra himself wrote. Please note that the reason we know that there are 39 books in the Old Testament Canon is because it is recorded ‘outside the Protestant Bible’ in 2 Edsras as follows, to quote:

 

“… The Hebrew Bible is also the textual source for the Christian Old Testament. The form of this text that is authoritative for Rabbinic Judaism is known as the Masoretic Text (MT) and it consists of 24 books, while the translations divide essentially the same material into 39 books for the Protestant Bible. …”

 

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_Bible

 

In other words,  these same 24 Books of the Tanakh as Blessed Prophet Ezra decided by Divine Inspiration as the Old Testament Bible/Canon of Scripture is ‘relabeled and split into 39 books by modern protestants’. Another Example quote:

 

“… The Jewish canon has fewer books because it merges works that are separate in the Christian tradition, eg 1 and 2 Kings, 1 and 2 Chronicles, or Ezra and Nehemiah. That 24-book division goes back at least to the end of the first century AD, when it is recorded in 2 Esdras. So, the number of Old Testament books is 24 or 39, and that is no great problem. …”

 

Source:

 

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/anxiousbench/2016/03/numbering-the-old-testament/

 

So,  if we as Christians agree that the Old Testament has 24 books (or equivalently re-labelled as 39 books in modern protestant Bibles),  we are agreeing to a ‘out of the 66 books’ Canon numbering of Scripture’ as it is recorded in the 2 Esdras writing which also mentions another mysterious number which is the “70 secret books which Blessed Prophet Ezra also wrote for the Wise as God instructed”, to quote:

 

“… Finally, there is a vision of the restoration of scripture. God appears to Ezra in a bush and commands him to restore the Law. Ezra gathers five scribes and begins to dictate. After forty days, he has produced ninety-four books: the twenty-four books of the Tanakh and seventy secret works: Make public the twenty-four books that you wrote first, and let the worthy and the unworthy read them; but keep the seventy that were written last, in order to give them to the wise among your people.” (2 Esdras 14:45–46 RSV; 4 Ezra 12:45–46) …”

 

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_Esdras

 

So, to agree to the 24 (or 39) Books of the Old Testament is to take this record as True in 2 Esdras which in turn implies in its same sentence the truth of the ’70 hidden/secret books to the wise’ which may include this ‘Apocalypse of Elijah’ (which contains a possible Christ Centered Universalism Prophecy as demonstrated earlier)  and also more highly possible the ‘Book of 1Enoch’ as also part of these ’70 secret books’ which also has ‘some type of Christ Centered Universalism Prophecy’ as it was discussed in Page 103 earlier.

 

  1. ii) Apocalypse of Zephaniah – Salvation for the Damned after the Prayer of the Righteous Hope:

 

1) Should Christians Read it?

 

There was an ancient  Writing of Prophet Zephaniah’s Visit into Hades (Hell compartments and Regions of Comfort) agreeing to Lord Jesus Christ’s Story of the Rich Man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19 – 31).

 

It was lost for centuries but St. Clement of Alexandria* seems to have had it as he quotes Prophet Zephaniah as follows in his infamous “Stromata Book Series” in a quote not found in the Old Testament Zephaniah:

 

“… Rightly, then, in the great Epistle he says: “For it is not capable of expression, like other branches of study. But as the result of great intimacy with this subject, and living with it, a sudden light, like that kindled by a coruscating fire, arising in the soul, feeds itself.” Are not these statements like those of Zephaniah the prophet? “And the Spirit of the Lord took me, and brought me up to the fifth heaven, and I beheld angels called Lords; and their diadem was set on in the Holy Spirit; and each of them had a throne sevenfold brighter than the light of the rising sun; and they dwelt in temples of salvation, and hymned the ineffable, Most High God.”…” – Blessed St. Clement of Alexandria (c. 150 AD – c. 215 AD,  Stromata, Book 5, Chapter XI)

 

Source: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/clement-stromata-book5.html

 

Who is St. Clement of Alexandria? Link below:

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clement_of_Alexandria

 

 

 

 

 

 

2) Was it Written by Jews or Christians?

 

It was probably a Vision of Prophet Zephaniah himself as St. Clement of Alexandria clearly quotes a mysterious passage of Prophet Zephaniah which is not in the Bible but could be in this discovered Manuscript as shown above.  Most of its contents may be lost but the few fragments which were discovered recently give great insight into First Christianity, to quote:

 

“… The Apocalypse of Zephaniah (or Apocalypse of Sophonias) is a 1st-century pseudepigraphic Jewish text attributed to the Biblical Zephaniah and so associated with the Old Testament, but not regarded as scripture by Jews or any Christian group. It was rediscovered and published at the end of the 19th century… The existence of the Apocalypse of Zephaniah was known from ancient texts (for example the Stichometry of Nicephorus) but it was considered lost. In 1881 two fragmentary manuscripts, probably coming from the White Monastery in Egypt, were bought by the Bibliothèque Nationale of Paris and first published by U. Bouriant in 1885… At the second trumpet, the heavens are opened and Zephaniah sees the sinful souls (which are given body and hair) tormented in a sea of flame until the day when the Lord will judge. He sees also a multitude of saints praying in intercession for those in these torments. The last trumpet mentioned in the fragments prepares for the announcement that the Lord will rise up in his wrath to destroy the earth and the heavens…   It clearly distinguishes between the personal judgment occurring immediately after death and the final judgment by the Lord… Souls enter bliss or punishment immediately after the first judgment, while waiting for the Lord’s coming, but the intercession of the saints makes it possible that, for some, punishment may not be definitive…”

 

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse_of_Zephaniah

 

 

3) Content for the Apocalypse of Zephaniah

 

Each quote below is from the translation source in link  below:

 

http://web.archive.org/web/20100330084339/http://userpages.burgoyne.com/bdespain/progress/progzeph.htm

 

 

 

  1. i) The Saved in the Blessed Compartments of Hades onward

 

The 1st trumpet: triumph & visitation of the righteous.

 

“…   91Then a great angel came forth having a golden trumpet in his hand, and he blew it three times over my head, saying, “Be courageous! O one who hath triumphed. Prevail! O one who hath prevailed. For thou hast triumphed over the accuser, and thou hast escaped from the abyss and Hades. 2Thou wilt now cross over the crossing place. For thy name is written in the Book of the Living.” 3I wanted to embrace him, (but) I was unable to embrace the great angel because his glory is great. 4Then he ran to all the righteous ones, namely, Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and Enoch and Elijah and David. 5He spoke with them as friend to friend speaking one with another…” – Apocalypse of Zephaniah (aft 100 B.C. & bef A.D. 70)

 

  1. ii) The Unsaved in Hell or the Punishment Compartments of Hades

 

 

A 2nd trumpet: opening of heaven & souls in torment.

 

 

“…  101Then the great angel came to me with the golden trumpet in his hand, and he blew it up unto heaven. 2Heaven opened from the place where the sun rises to where it sets, from the north to the south. 3I saw the sea which I had seen at the bottom of Hades. Its waves came up to the clouds. 4I saw all the souls sinking in it. I saw some whose hands were bound to their neck, with their hands and feet being fettered. 5I said, “Who are these?” He said unto me, “These are the ones who were bribed and they were given gold and silver until the souls of men were led astray.” 6And I saw others covered with mats of fire. 7I said, “Who are these?” He said unto me, “These are the ones who give money at interest, and they receive interest for interest.” …”  – Apocalypse of Zephaniah (aft 100 B.C. & bef A.D. 70)

 

 

 

 

iii) Purgatory for Backslidden Christians

“.. 8And I also saw some blind ones crying out. And I was amazed when I saw all these works of God. 9I said, “Who are these?” He said unto me, “These are catechumens who heard the word of God, but they were not perfected in the work which they heard.” 10And I said unto him, “Then have they not repentance here?” He said, “Yes,” 11I said, “How long?” He said unto me, “Until the day when the Lord will judge.” 12And I saw others with their hair on them. 13I said, “Then there is hair and body in this place?” 14He said, “Yes, the Lord gives body and hair to them as he desires.”…” – Apocalypse of Zephaniah (aft 100 B.C. & bef A.D. 70)

 

  1. iv) Prayer of Salvation toward the non-Christian damned

The intercession of the saints for those in torment.

“… 111And I also saw multitudes. He brought them forth. 2As they looked at all of the torments they called out, praying before the Lord Almighty, saying, “We pray unto Thee on account of those who are in all these torments so that Thou might have mercy on all of them.” 3And when I saw them, I said to the angel who spoke with me, “<Who are these?>” 4He said, “These who beseech the Lord are Abraham and Isaac and Jacob. 5Then at a certain hour daily they come forth with the great angel. He soundeth a trumpet up unto heaven and another soundeth upon the earth. 6All the righteous hear the sound. They come running, praying to the Lord Almighty daily on behalf of these who are in all these torments.”...” – Apocalypse of Zephaniah (aft 100 B.C. & bef A.D. 70)

 

  1. v) Future Final Judgment Day

Another trumpet: the coming wrath of God.

 

“…  121And again the great angel cometh forth with the golden trumpet in his hand blowing over the earth. 2They hear (it) from the place of the sunrise to the place of the sunset and from the southern regions to the northern regions. 3And again he blows (it) up unto heaven and its sound is heard. 4I said, “O Lord, why left thou me not until I saw them all?” 5He said unto me, “I have not authority to show them unto thee until the Lord Almighty riseth up in his wrath to destroy the earth and the heavens. 6They will see and be disturbed, and they will all cry out, saying, ‘All flesh which is ascribed to Thee we will give unto Thee on the day of the Lord.’ 7Who will stand in His presence when He riseth in His wrath <to destroy> the earth <and the heavens?> 8Every tree which groweth upon the earth will be plucked up with its roots and fall down. And every high tower and the birds which fly will fall … ”  – Apocalypse of Zephaniah (aft 100 B.C. & bef A.D. 70)

 

 

4) Why is it not in the Bible?

 

It was lost and only rediscovered in the 19th century. Apart from St. Clement of Alexandria possibly  mentioning it, it may not have been known by some of them or it may have not been scrutinized by early councils or they can’t reach a consensus to it. So,  we keep an open mind.

 

iii) Apocalypse of Ezra – Christ Centered Universalism Hope?

 

I quote this “Apocalypse of Ezra” especially since 2 ESDRAS was Written by this same Blessed Prophet Ezra himself and so perhaps the ‘Hidden Answer’ for his ‘repeated plea for Mercy to be shown to wicked eventually’ may be Revealed in this Writing instead as a type of NON-ELECT Salvation POSSIBILITY (point 6 here next).

 

Again,  this is not a 100% doctrinal position as we cannot prove these ancient preserved writings to be completely original or even if the tampered parts are false or not because a Christian Revelation thereafter can be a continuation of the previous Jewish Revelation first,  completing it.

 

In this Ancient Christian “Armenian” Writing of Ezra, we see the possibility of Christ Centered Universalism Prophecy via Christians possibly as “Priests” Praying on behalf of the “Sinners” condemned on ‘Judgment Day’ to be ‘Saved’ (please see POINT 6 for THIS PART), to quote:

 

“… Peter Kirby also surveys scholars writing on the questions of Ezra:

 

James Charlesworth writes (The Pseudepigrapha and Modern Research, pp. 117-118):

 

The one extant Armenian manuscript of the Questions of Ezra has not been edited, but parts of it were translated into English by J. Issaverdens (UWOT. Pp. 457-61).

 

The work is Christian, rather late, and apparently influenced by traditions recorded in 1 Enoch, 2 Enoch, the Apocalypse of Abraham, and the Apocalypse of Zosimus. Issaverdens translates six of the questions Ezra asks ‘the Angel of God’; these can be paraphrased as follows:

 

  1. What has God prepared for the righteous and sinners?

 

Ans. For the righteous are prepared rejoicing and light, for sinners darkness and fire.

 

  1. If all men living are sinners and hence deserve condemnation, are not beasts more blessed?

 

Ans. Do not repeat these words to “Him who is above you.”

 

  1. Where does the soul go after death?

 

Ans. A good angel comes to a good soul, and a wicked one to a bad soul (cf. ApAb). The soul is taken eastward.

 

  1. What is that way like?

 

Ans. There are seven steps to the Divinity; the righteous soul passes through four steps of terror, one of enlightenment, and two of blessing.

 

  1. Why do you not take the soul to the Divinity?

 

Ans. Ezra is called a vain man (cf. ApZos) who thinks according to human nature. No man or angel can see the face of God, but only the place of God’s throne, which is fiery (cf. 1En 14:18-23, 2En 20).

 

  1. What shall become of “us sinners“?

 

Ans. WHEN YOU DIE YOU WILL OBTAIN MERCY and REST IF A CHRISTIAN PRAYS OR PERFORMS SOME ACT OF DEVOTION FOR YOU.

 

  1. E. Stone writes: “There is insufficient evidence to determine whether the writing was originally composed in Armenian or whether it wsa translated into Armenian from another language. Possible arguments based on literary considerations will be adduced in the next section. There seems no clear basis for establishing the date except to say that the writing is a Christian composition clearly based on Jewish models. There is no indication of provenace.” (The Old Testament Pseudepigrapha, p. 592) …” – Apocalypse of Ezra (the “Armenian Manuscript”)

 

Source: http://www.textexcavation.com/apocalypseezra.html#questezra

 

Note: I repeat, Point 6 above proves the possible Christ Centered Universalism Described on Judgment Day henceforth or earlier even now.

 

Mysterious Indeed.

 

What if God Mysteriously Willed the Final Salvation of the Damned in this Way because the Bible Verses can mean that the Punishment Sentence is eternal but gets cancelled after the Christians ask for it many times as this theme is found in several noteworthy  ancient Christian writings as we have quoted.

 

I repeat: I prefer being neutral choosing to “JUDGE NOTHING BEFORE ITS TIME” (1 Corinthians 4:5) as I prefer the Safe Route Scripturally like this lest I say something against any POSSIBLE Scripture and end up committing the UNFORGIVABLE BLASPHEMY of the HOLY SPIRIT (Matthew 12:31 – 32) and WHATEVER GOD DECIDES ONE DAY, I ACCEPT IT.

 

Peace to you

 

 

 

How serious should we take the 2 ESDRAS – Could Christ have quoted it?

 

Source Post:

https://www.facebook.com/jonathan.ramachandran/posts/10161495609877784

 

 

Please consider these two Verses and decide for yourselves:

 

1) 2 Esdras

 

“… 30I GATHERED YOU TOGETHER, AS A HEN GATHERETH HER CHICKENS UNDER HER WINGS: but now, what shall I do unto you? I will cast you out from my face. 31When ye offer unto me, I will turn my face from you: FOR YOUR SOLEMN FEASTDAYS, YOUR NEW MOONS, AND YOUR CIRCUMCISIONS, HAVE I FORSAKEN. 32I SENT UNTO YOU MY SERVANTS THE PROPHETS, whom ye have taken and slain, and torn their bodies in pieces, whose blood I will require of your hands, saith the Lord. 33Thus SAITH THE ALMIGHTY LORD, YOUR HOUSE IS DESOLATE, I will cast you out as the wind doth stubble. …” (2 Esdras 1:30 – 33, KJV)

 

Source: https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/2-Esdras-Chapter-1/

 

 

2) Matthew

 

“… 37“O JERUSALEM, JERUSALEM, THE ONE WHO KILLS THE PROPHETS and stones those who are sent to her! How often I WANTED TO GATHER YOUR CHILDREN TOGETHER, AS A HEN GATHERS HER CHICKS UNDER HER WINGS, but you were not willing! 38See! YOUR HOUSE IS LEFT TO YOU DESOLATE; 39for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ” …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 23:37 – 39, NKJV)

 

 

 

3) Please bear in mind that 2 Esdras has already been Written BEFORE CHRIST

 

“… 2 Esdras (also called 4 Esdras, Latin Esdras, or Latin Ezra) is an apocalyptic book in some English versions of the Bible.[a][b][2] TRADITION ASCRIBES IT TO EZRA, A SCRIBE AND PRIEST OF THE 5TH CENTURY BCE, but scholarship places its COMPOSITION BETWEEN 70 and 218 CE.[3]: 37  …”

 

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_Esdras

 

4) Mystery Part

 

If Canonical this is the “same 2 ESDRAS” I quoted in recent posts in link below which Speaks of 94 Books of Old Testament Scripture (with 24 as Public Canon while 70 as Secret Canon) while it also mentions the Charity Doctrine Lifestyle practicing ones to be First in God’s Resurrection to other possibilities too as detailed in links below if keen or in the free pdf #IgnoredChristianDoctrineBook in link below:

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JJsr_rp4kq0AdK9_Y–x_px9j8feXNGU/view?usp=sharing

 

  1. i) Possible Implications of NON-ELECT SALVATION Doctrine based on 2 ESDRAS and FIRST CHRISTIANITY

 

https://www.facebook.com/651792783/posts/10161495001992784/

 

  1. ii) Charity Doctrine in 2 Esdras in the Context of Resurrection

 

https://www.facebook.com/651792783/posts/10161493366177784/

 

iii) Christ Centered Universalism – Worst Case Scenario with Blessed Prophet Ezra in 2 ESDRAS

 

https://www.facebook.com/651792783/posts/10160113512857784/

 

  1. iv) Possible Doctrinal Implications based on 2 ESDRAS from the Narrow Gate Mystery to Christ Centered Universalism

 

https://www.facebook.com/jonathan.ramachandran/posts/10161496631247784

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sin of Omission of the Charity Doctrine Mystery

 

0) Background

 

We often hear some preachers say (rightly so) that ‘… If one does NOT preach AGAINST SIN, he is a FALSE TEACHER! …’.

 

I agree 100%.

 

However, in light of the “Charity Doctrine” (as I shall discuss with Bible Verses next), has this ‘same preacher’ Preached it too because NOT DOING GOOD in YOUR POWER (i.e. the ‘Charity Doctrine’ is SIN too!

 

Really? Yes, Verse:

 

“… Therefore to him that KNOWETH to DO GOOD, and DOETH IT NOT, TO HIM IT IS SIN. …” (James 4:17, KJV)

 

 

1) Context for James 4:17

 

When the Book of James was Written, there were “no” Chapters and Verses divisions/numberings. It was one long letter and the DOING GOOD which WAS SKIPPED by SOME CHRISTIANS which Blessed Apostle St. James the Just refers to is the CHARITY DOCTRINE by the LUXURY/HOARDING to SAVE SELF type of PURSUITS with YOUR MONEY (addressed especially to THE RICH CHRISTIANS), to quote in CONSECUTIVE VERSES AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY WRITTEN:

 

“… 17Therefore, to him WHO KNOWS TO DO GOOD AND DOES NOT DO IT, TO HIM IT IS SIN. 1Come now, YOU RICH, weep and howl for your miseries that are coming upon you! 2Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are moth-eaten. 3Your GOLD and SILVER are corroded, and their corrosion will be a witness against you and will EAT YOUR FLESH LIKE FIRE. You have HEAPED up TREASURE in the LAST DAYS. 4Indeed the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, cry out; and the cries of the reapers have reached the ears of the Lord of [b]Sabaoth.  5You have lived on the earth in PLEASURE and LUXURY; you have fattened your hearts as in a DAY of SLAUGHTER.  6You have condemned, you have murdered the just; he does not resist you. …” – Blessed St. James the Just, First Bishop of Jerusalem (James 4:17, James 5:1 – 6, NKJV)

 

Comments:

 

  1. The SINS of NOT DOING GOOD WHICH ONE IS ABLE (based on the RICHES GIVEN HERE) are meant as follows (FIRST DEFINITION / FIRST CONTEXT for the “DOING GOOD” meant in James 4:17):

 

  1. HEAPED up TREASURE (Gold and Silver) in the LAST DAYS = even this is a SERIOUS SIN as the JUDGMENT is “… Your GOLD and SILVER are corroded, and their corrosion will be a witness against you and will EAT YOUR FLESH LIKE FIRE. …” (which doesn’t sound like they are saved, right?)

 

  1. wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud = Unfair Wages practice (e.g. have you given the people of your own race one salary and be lenient in work to them whilst exploit other races by giving lower salaries or even give them harder work?)

 

iii. 5You have lived on the earth in PLEASURE and LUXURY = Typical Prosperity Gospel type of Pursuits of ‘enjoy life, God wants you to be happy with worldly things type of teachings and lifestyle’

 

  1. Murdering the innocent and just based on monetary pursuits (directly and indirectly; example: slavery practice of the past to modern slavery of “debts”)

 

  1. The phrase ‘… to him WHO KNOWS TO DO GOOD …’ = Relative Measure based on what one’s given.

 

 

 

 

Brief Summary here

 

17Therefore, to him WHO KNOWS TO DO GOOD AND DOES NOT DO IT, TO HIM IT IS SIN. = refers to NOT DOING ANY OF THE GOOD ABOVE which Primarily are the OPPOSITES of the CHARITY DOCTRINE LIFESTYLE of GIVING/SHARING with each other and TREATING the POOR and AFFLICTED FAIRLY by God’s Standards of “… IN EVERYTHING DO UNTO OTHERS WHAT YOU WANT THEM TO DO TO YOU …” (Matthew 7:12) seems to refer to a SIN LEADING to DEATH in this Context as the PUNISHMENT is DESCRIBED on THE DAY OF SLAUGHTER (Judgment Day) as “… will be a witness against you and will EAT YOUR FLESH LIKE FIRE. …”. So the absence of the Charity Doctrine Lifestyle is “not” a mild sin “not” leading to death as ‘some are deceived to believe’ (1 John 5:16 – 17) as these Verses point it to clearly LEADING TO DEATH here in St. James’ own definition/context here.

 

Note: Other equivalent sins are possible for the context of James 4:17 but this FIRST CONTEXT (Definition/Usage) of SCRIPTURE is certainly MOST IMPORTANT and TRUE REGARDLESS.

 

Can you see it as ‘it is Written’ please?

 

2) Dangers of Ignoring this Charity Doctrine aspect of “… NOT DOING the GOOD ONE IS ABLE is SIN …”

 

  1. i) As we have seen, any sin which leads unto death as described above is a “type of LAWLESSNESS“, Verse:

 

“… 4Whoever COMMITS SIN also COMMITS LAWLESSNESS, and SIN IS LAWLESSNESS. … ” (1 John 3:4, NKJV)

 

  1. ii) Context for 1 John 3:4 above in Consecutive Verses of that Chapter itself Reveals below that the ABSENCE of the CHARITY DOCTRINE LIFESTYLE is ABSENCE of LOVE FOR ONE ANOTHER and hence can be a TYPE OF LAWLESSNESS implied

 

“… 4Whoever COMMITS SIN also COMMITS LAWLESSNESS, and SIN IS LAWLESSNESS … 10In this the CHILDREN OF GOD and THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL are manifest: Whoever DOES NOT PRACTICE RIGHTEOUSNESS is not of God, NOR IS HE WHO DOES NOT LOVE HIS BROTHER. 11For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another, 12not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? BECAUSE HIS WORKS WERE EVIL AND HIS BROTHER’S RIGHTEOUS. … 16By this WE KNOW LOVE, because He laid down His life for us. And we also OUGHT TO LAY DOWN OUR LIVES FOR THE BRETHREN. 17But WHOEVER HAS THIS WORLD’S GOODS, and SEES HIS BROTHER IN NEED, AND SHUTS UP HIS HEART FROM HIM, HOW DOES THE LOVE OF GOD ABIDE IN HIM? 18My little children, let us NOT LOVE IN WORD or IN TONGUE, BUT IN DEED AND IN TRUTH …” (1 John 3: 4, 10 – 12, 16 – 18, NKJV)

 

iii) The MANY (from Christianity even) who focused or are converted based on spiritual gifts only such as ‘… Prophesied in YOUR NAME, CAST OUT DEMONS in YOUR NAME, done MIRACLES/WONDERS in YOUR NAME …’ but IGNORING Christ’s COMMANDS are considered as practicing LAWLESSNESS too and are DENIED from the FIRST RESURRECTION:

 

“… 21“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22MANY will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23And then I will declare to them, ‘I NEVER KNEW YOU; depart from Me, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS!’ 24“Therefore WHOEVER HEARS THESE SAYINGS OF MINE, and DOES THEM, I will liken him to a WISE MAN WHO BUILT HIS HOUSE ON THE ROCK: …” (Matthew 7:21 – 24, NKJV)

 

 

  1. iv) There is also a ‘Lawlessness within’ which can be only Cleansed via ‘Almsgiving’ from ‘what you have’ (not from other people’s money without including your own) as CHRIST HIMSELF TAUGHT in Verses below (Please notice the word “LAWLESS” in Verse below)

 

“… 25“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you CLEANSE THE OUTSIDE OF THE CUP and dish, but INSIDE THEY ARE FULL OF EXTORTION and [l]SELF-INDULGENCE. 26Blind Pharisee, first cleanse the inside of the cup and dish, that the outside of them may be clean also. 27“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like WHITEWASHED TOMBS which indeed appear BEAUTIFUL OUTWARDLY, but inside are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness. 28Even so you also OUTWARDLY APPEAR RIGHTEOUS TO MEN, but INSIDE YOU ARE FULL OF HYPOCRISY AND LAWLESSNESS. …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 23:25 – 28, NKJV)

 

 

 

“… 39Then the Lord said to him, “Now you Pharisees make the OUTSIDE OF THE CUP and DISH CLEAN, but YOUR INWARD PART is full of [k]GREED and WICKEDNESS. 40FOOLISH ones! Did not He who made the outside make the inside also? 41But rather GIVE ALMS of [l]SUCH THINGS AS YOU HAVE; then indeed ALL THINGS ARE CLEAN TO YOU. 42“But woe to you Pharisees! For YOU TITHE mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass by JUSTICE and the LOVE of GOD These you OUGHT TO HAVE DONE, WITHOUT LEAVING THE OTHERS UNDONE. 43Woe to you Pharisees! For you love the [m]best seats in the synagogues and greetings in the marketplaces. 44Woe to you, [n]scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like graves which are not seen, and the men who walk over them are not aware of them.” …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 11:39 – 45, NKJV)

 

Note: Even “Tithe-Paying” did NOT fulfill NEITHER the JUSTICE NOR THE LOVE OF GOD part in CHRIST’S OWN WORDS ABOVE, to quote again:

 

“… For YOU TITHE mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass by JUSTICE and the LOVE of GOD ...”

 

Also, the ALMSGIVING part is DOCTRINE as it is part of “things which YOU OUGHT TO HAVE DONE” as both JUSTICE and LOVE of GOD part refers to that ONLY religious Act here Christ Mentions here (Context) which is NOT cancelled for the New Testament

 

“… rather GIVE ALMS of [l]SUCH THINGS AS YOU HAVE; then indeed ALL THINGS ARE CLEAN TO YOU.  …  These you OUGHT TO HAVE DONE, WITHOUT LEAVING THE OTHERS UNDONE. …”

 

3) Doing the Work of God Mystery

 

“… 28Then they said to Him, “What SHALL WE DO, that we may WORK THE WORKS OF GOD?” 29JESUS ANSWERED and said to them, “THIS IS THE WORK OF GOD, that YOU BELIEVE IN HIM whom He sent.” …” (John 6:28 – 29, NKJV)

 

This Verse is sometimes Preached in a very Wrong manner by ‘Grace Preachers’. They think that “nothing” is required apart from ‘Belief in Christ only’ and ‘you can enjoy life in prosperity after that‘.

 

Truth is, in Matthew 7:20 – 24 too we find MANY who ‘believed in Him and did Prophesying, Casting out Demons & even Miracles in His Name’ but we LAWLESS and DENIED.

 

Another Truth is, BELIEVING CHRIST INCLUDES BELIEVING in WHAT HE COMMANDED and the MOST NUMBER OF COMMANDS CHRIST Directly Gave in the NEW TESTAMENT are the CHARITY DOCTRINE COMMANDS of GIVING/SHARING with each other and ALL MEN (including enemies even) as I have discussed in previous books/posts in detail.

 

In short, PREACHING CHRIST INCLUDES PREACHING NOT JUST ABOUT HIM BUT ALSO WHAT HE COMMANDED, Verses:

 

“… But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and NOT DO THE THINGS WHICH I SAY? …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 6:46, NKJV)

 

“… 20TEACHING THEM TO OBSERVE ALL THINGS THAT I HAVE COMMANDED YOU; …” Part in the Great Commission too (in Matthew 28:18 – 20, NKJV).

 

Being “Born Again” is not described as Miracles, Speaking in Tongues, Understanding Prophecy as all that are “not” Commands because these Verses next Prove that these are Gifts which are Good but not the “Most Excellent Way of Agape (Love)” where “Love in Action is the Charity Doctrine Lifestyle Commands”, Example Verses (which also proves that not all Christians have these Gifts but are still “Born Again”):

 

“… 27Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. 28And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. 29Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are ALL WORKERS OF MIRACLES? 30DO ALL HAVE GIFTS OF HEALINGS? DO ALL SPEAK WITH TONGUES? Do all interpret? 31But earnestly desire the [i]best gifts. And YET I SHOW YOU A MORE EXCELLENT WAY [of Agape/Love]. …” (1 Corinthians 12:27 – 30, NKJV)

 

Note: BLESSED MARTIN LUTHER (the FIRST PROTESTANT whom even they must agree is both above them and is saved) himself DID NOT PRACTICE any of THESE GIFTS as he was a CESSATIONIST  and also PREACHED OBEDIENCE TO ALL THESE NEW TESTAMENT COMMANDS including the TRADITIONS too and so WE WILL NEVER be condemned either for following this route.

Personally, I keep an open mind on “possibility” that some can indeed hear from God Directly to Prophesy or Give a Message but “not” every claim is true either (let God Decide and I will be neutral and follow “Written” New Testament Verses instead as the ‘Safe Route Scripturally’).

 

Example in Context of “LAWLESSNESS” discussion here by which MANY CAN BE DENIED (as per Matthew 7:20 – 24’s WARNING):

 

No one is cleansed from “Lawlessness Inside” unless via “Almsgiving” as Christ Records that alone in Luke 11:39 – 41. Can someone be cleansed by “not” Doing What He Commanded? (Not opinions of men) according to ‘Relative Measure’ of ‘… 17Therefore, to him WHO KNOWS TO DO GOOD AND DOES NOT DO IT, TO HIM IT IS SIN.  …’ (James 4:17, NKJV).

 

Indeed, Preaching Christ includes not just about Him but also What He Commanded such as the Charity Doctrine Lifestyle of “Almsgiving” to clean the “Lawlessness Inside” (Matthew 23:25 – 28 and Luke 11:39 – 45).

 

 

“… 46“But WHY DO YOU CALL ME ‘LORD, LORD,’ and NOT DO THE THINGS WHICH I SAY? 47Whoever comes to Me, and hears My sayings and does them, I will show you whom he is like: 48He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 6:46 – 48, NKJV)

 

Note: To “avoid LAWLESSNESS“, The “LAW” part Christ Refers to is “not the abolished Torah Observances as some Christian err” but ONLY THE THINGS WHICH CHRIST SAID (either those He Re-enforced from the TORAH or NEW TESTAMENT COMMANDS such as the CHARITY DOCTRINE LIFESTYLE here).

 

Can you see it please ‘as it is Written’?

 

 

 

 

 

4) Holiness and Charity Doctrine Analogy

 

“… 110As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 11There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. 22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:…” (Romans 3:10 – 11, 22 – 24, NKJV)

 

These Verses prove that ONLY CHRIST’S RIGHTEOUSNESS SAVES us but it does “not” prove that  we “don’t need to be holy” nor that “we don’t need to do the Charity Doctrine or other Good Works for faith”.

 

Also by quoting the Verse above, do your pastors stop being holy since “HOLINESS is ALSO A WORK OF THE LAW”?

 

If “not”, then why stop doing the Charity Doctrine with Church Money or Personal Money as CHRIST’S ANSWER  DID NOT END WITH HOLINESS COMMANDS ONLY and so NEITHER SHOULD ANY TRUE PREACHING OF THE GOSPEL END THERE either as Described in Verses below ‘as it is Written’:

 

  1. i) Holiness is a “Work of the Law” , Verses:

 

“… 16Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, WHAT GOOD THING SHALL I DO that I MAY HAVE ETERNAL LIFE?” 17So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But IF YOU WANT TO ENTER INTO LIFE, KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS.” 18He said to Him, “Which ones?” Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ” 20The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept from my youth. WHAT DO I STILL LACK?” …” (Matthew 19:16 – 20, NKJV)

 

 

 

 

  1. ii) Charity Doctrine is a Doctrine of Perfection (as Christ Continues from the Verses above as follows, same Topic, same Context):

 

“… 20The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept [g]from my youth. WHAT DO I STILL LACK?” 21JESUS said to him, “If you want to be PERFECT, GIVE to the POOR, and YOU WILL HAVE TREASURE IN HEAVEN; and come, FOLLOW ME.” 22But when the young man heard that saying, he went away SORROWFUL, for he had GREAT POSSESSIONS. 23Then JESUS said to His disciples, “Assuredly, I say to you that it is HARD for a RICH MAN TO ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. 24And AGAIN I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. …” (Matthew 19:20 – 24, NKJV)

 

Holiness is cited a a must because the ABSENCE of HOLINESS IS SIN (e.g. 1 Corinthians 6:9 – 11) and HENCE LAWLESSNESS by which MANY can BE DENIED (Matthew 7:20 – 24).

 

Similarly,

 

Charity Doctrine is a must because the ABSENCE of the CHARITY DOCTRINE is ALSO DESCRIBED as SIN [ e.g. in “… 17Therefore, to him WHO KNOWS TO DO GOOD AND DOES NOT DO IT, TO HIM IT IS SIN.  …”(James 4:17, NKJV) ] and HENCE LAWLESSNESS by which MANY can BE DENIED (Matthew 7:20 – 24).

 

As long as we remember that any Good Act we could do is by “God” Working it through us, there will be “no” self-righteousness (as self-righteousness is assuming that we are doing the Good Works instead of admitting that GOD IS THE ONE DOING IT THORUGH US, the “Jesus in You” Principle) as Revealed in example Verse below:

 

“… for it is GOD WHO WORKS IN YOU BOTH TO WILL AND TO DO for His good pleasure. …” (Philippians 2:13, NKJV)

 

In light of all these Bible Verses, “DOING Faith Alone type of Doctrine with Godliness (holiness) only” and TEACHING that doesn’t make one that great as compared to if one DOES AND TEACHES MORE of CHRIST’S COMMANDS and DOCTRINES on EACH OF THESE ASPECTS too “…  ADD TO YOUR FAITH VIRTUE; and TO VIRTUE KNOWLEDGE; (6) And TO KNOWLEDGE TEMPERANCE; and TO TEMPERANCE PATIENCE; and TO PATIENCE GODLINESS; (7) And TO GODLINESS BROTHERLY KINDNESS; and TO BROTHERLY KINDNESS CHARITY Love].  …” (2 Peter 1:5 – 7, KJV).

In short, we should “not” be afraid to Preach Bible Verses (as quoted here be it those regarding to HOLINESS or the ones regarding CHARITY DOCTRINE) as BOTH are applicable to the NEW TESTAMENT and CHRIST DOESN’T SEND anyone to HELL FOR PREACHING HIS COMMANDS.

 

5) Misunderstanding Blessed Apostle St. Paul

 

In the Life of the Inspired Sola Fide Preacher himself, we find him both DOING and TEACHING this CHARITY DOCTRINE LIFESTYLE proving our Context true, example Verses:

 

“… 14But this I confess to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect, so I WORSHIP THE GOD OF MY FATHERS, BELIEVING ALL THINGS which are WRITTEN IN THE LAW AND IN THE PROPHETS. 15I have hope in God, which they themselves also accept, that there will be a resurrection [e]of the dead, both of the just and the unjust. 16This being so, I myself always strive to have a conscience without offense toward God and men. 17“NOW AFTER MANY YEARS I CAME to BRING ALMS AND OFFERINGS TO MY NATION, 18in the midst of which some Jews from Asia FOUND ME PURIFIED IN THE TEMPLE, neither with a mob nor with tumult. 19They ought to have been here before you to object if they had anything against me. 20Or else let those who are here themselves say [f]if they found any wrongdoing in me while I stood before the council, 21unless it is for this one statement which I cried out, standing among them, ‘Concerning the resurrection of the dead I am being judged by you this day.’ ” …” – Blessed St. Paul the Great Apostle of Christ (Acts of the Apostles, 24:14 – 21, NKJV)

 

 

“… to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, THAT THEY MAY RECEIVE THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS AND AN INHERITANCE AMONG THOSE WHO ARE SANCTIFIED BY FAITH IN ME. 19“Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, 20but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, THAT THEY SHOULD REPENT, turn to God, and DO WORKS BEFITING REPENTANCE ….”  – Blessed St. Paul the Great Apostle of Christ (Acts 26:18 – 20, NKJV)

 

 

 

 

 

Comments:

 

  1. “… THAT THEY SHOULD REPENT, turn to God, …” = Repentance alone (toward faith + holiness) is NOT enough

 

  1. “…and DO WORKS BEFITING REPENTANCE ….” = which Includes the CHARITY DOCTRINE LIFESTYLE as many New Testament Verses Testify.

 

Blessed Apostle St. Paul himself particularly Warned that the ABSENCE of the CHARITY DOCTRINE type of WORKS of REPENTANCE can make one UNFRUITFUL, Verses:

 

“… And let our people also learn to MAINTAIN GOOD WORKS, TO MEET URGENT NEEDS, that they may NOT BE UNFRUITFUL. …” (Titus 3:14, NKJV)

 

So the absence of “GOOD WORKS” is certainly being UNFRUITFUL and the GOOD WORKS referred to is SPECIFIC as the CHARITY DOCTRINE WORKS of GIVING/SHARING to MEET URGENT NEEDS as the DEFINITION OF FRUIT too without which a TREE is CHOPPED DOWN and THROWN into FIRE (yes with actual worldly goods, please see 1 John 3:16 – 18 too).

 

 

Can you see it please ‘as it is Written’?

 

Food for thought: For pastors who ignore preaching and living this Charity Doctrine aspects, especially from among those who claim to ‘hear directly from God’, how come y’all NEVER seem TO HEAR the SAME DOCTRINE as illustrated by THESE QUOTED VERSES AS IT IS WRITTEN be it by CHRIST DIRECTLY or Via Apostle Paul, the apostle to the GENTILES (so it applies to each one of us)?

 

 

 

 

Conclusion

 

Doctrine is especially anything which Christ Commanded for this New Covenant and even especially those things that affect something “ETERNALLY“.

 

For example:  The Original Koine Greek Word “Aionion” translated as ‘Eternal here (same Word)’ in “EVERLASTING HOME” (Luke 16:9, NKJV) is used in “Eternal Punishment” vs “Everlasting  Life” in Matthew 25:46 as well. So the consequences of missing in this Doctrine are “Eternal“.

 

Are we risking people’s life likewise by not teaching this “Charity Doctrine” by  Christ Himself?

 

In short, CHRIST DECLARES (“not” me) in image that the FAITHFULNESS of a CHRISTIAN is “not” measured by ‘… how many hours he prays, fasts, attends church, worships etc. …’ (if someone says so, please ask them FOR A BIBLE VERSE where CHRIST SAYS it DIRECTLY and you will find “none”) in comparison to as much as one LIVES and DOES this CHARITY DOCTRINE LIFESTYLE as Christ Clearly Asks in Verses below:

 

“… . 11And IF YOU ARE UNTRUSTWORTHY ABOUT WORLDLY WEALTH, who will trust you with the TRUE  RICHES OF HEAVEN? …” (Luke 16:11, NLT) where the JUDGMENT for this is ONLY BASED on “… 9Here’s the lesson: USE YOUR WORLDLY RESOURCES to BENEFIT OTHERS AND MAKE FRIENDS. Then, when your possessions are gone, they will welcome you to an ETERNAL HOME. 10“If you are faithful in little things, you will be faithful in large ones. …” (Luke 16:9 – 10, NLT) by CHRIST HIMSELF.

 

Please don’t be deceived and please be very careful of “expensive Bible courses to Bible books to hoarding God’s Money as blessings or equivalent as these Verses Contradict all that”.

 

Indeed, please follow ‘what is Written’ as ‘sweet words’ can be ‘against #WhatHeSaid and ‘just makes them feel good but it’s NOT a BIBLE VERSE and WORST STILL IT SPEAKS AGAINST THESE DIRECT WORDS of CHRIST “as it is Written”.

 

 

Those Verses in Full:

 

“… 9Here’s the lesson: USE YOUR WORLDLY RESOURCES to BENEFIT OTHERS AND MAKE FRIENDS. Then, when your possessions are gone, they will welcome you to an ETERNAL HOME. 10“If you are faithful in little things, you will be faithful in large ones. But if you are dishonest in little things, you won’t be honest with greater responsibilities. 11And IF YOU ARE UNTRUSTWORTHY ABOUT WORLDLY WEALTH, who will trust you with the TRUE RICHES OF HEAVEN? 12And if you are not faithful with other people’s things, why should you be trusted with things of your own? …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 16:9 – 12, NLT)

 

Warn them and let them decide for themselves whether to repent or not:

 

“… When I say to the wicked, ‘O wicked man, you shall surely die!’ and YOU DO NOT SPEAK TO WARN THE WICKED FROM HIS WAY, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; BUT HIS BLOOD I WILL REQUIRE AT YOUR HAND. Nevertheless IF YOU WARN the WICKED to TURN FROM HIS WAY, and he does not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but YOU HAVE DELIVERED YOUR SOUL. …” (Ezekiel 33:8 – 9, NKJV)

 

So in light of all these NEW TESTAMENT Verses even, have we really PREACHED AGAINST SIN in FULL if we PREACH HOLINESS ONLY and NOT the CHARITY DOCTRINE aspect of DOING GOOD based on ‘what one is able’ (by Relative Measure) as ‘Missing’ this Doctrine is ALSO SIN according to James 4:17 (Verse in image too) as we have seen in detail here.

Here’s is James 4:17 in a few translations for your DOCTRINAL CONSIDERATION as ‘IT IS WRITTEN’ (as “no” one will ever be CONDEMNED by Preaching and Doing what is Written), Verse:

 

New International Version

If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn’t do it, it is sin for them.

 

New Living Translation

Remember, it is sin to know what you ought to do and then not do it.

 

English Standard Version

So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

 

Berean Study Bible

Anyone, then, who knows the right thing to do, yet fails to do it, is guilty of sin.

 

Berean Literal Bible

Therefore to the one knowing to do good, and not doing, it is sin.

 

King James Bible

Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

 

New King James Version

Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin.

 

New American Standard Bible

So for one who knows the right thing to do and does not do it, for him it is sin.

 

 

Source: https://biblehub.com/james/4-17.htm

 

 

Peace to you

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mystery of Essential Doctrine for Eternal Life

 

Source Post:

https://www.facebook.com/jonathan.ramachandran/posts/10161508651327784

 

Matthew 19:16 – 24 or Luke 10:25 – 37 as the Answer Christ Gave for “What to do for Eternal Life?” is

 

1) Love God (Luke 10:27).

 

2)  “Keep the Commandments” (referring to “Keep Holiness” ones. (Matthew 19:16 – 19).

 

3) Love your neighbor as yourself which He Gave a clear explanation as the CHARITY DOCTRINE LIFESTYLE in the PARABLE OF THE GOOD SAMARITAN (Luke 10:25 – 37, Matthew 19:20 – 24, Luke 10:27).

 

Note: Even “JUDGMENT DAY” Verses AGREE as it ONLY Describes what one did in RESPONSE to “… When I was HUNGRY, THIRSTY, NAKED, HOMELESS …” (i.e. in Principle only the SHARING/GIVING type of ACTION/not Words) with NO OTHER RELIGIOUS ACTS mentioned at all in Matthew 25:31 – 46 too.

 

Comment: Spiritual Gifts and all that are “optional” and NOT a must for every Believer (ending of 1 Corinthians 12:27 – 31) where best still, the “MOST EXCELLENT WAY OF AGAPE (LOVE), in 1 Corinthians 13’s Consecutive Verses next” is the Greatest Gift of All which is Described clearly as the “CHARITY DOCTRINE LIFESTYLE” AGAIN in 1 John 3:16 – 18, Verses:

 

“…  27Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. 28And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. 29Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are ALL WORKERS OF MIRACLES? 30DO ALL HAVE GIFTS OF HEALINGS? DO ALL SPEAK WITH TONGUES? Do all interpret? 31But earnestly desire the [i]best gifts. And YET I SHOW YOU A MORE EXCELLENT WAY [of AGAPE/LOVE]*. …” (1 Corinthians 12:27 – 30, NKJV)

 

“… 16BY THIS WE KNOW LOVE [AGAPE/LOVE]*, because He laid down His life for us. And we also ought to LAY DOWN OUR LIVES for the brethren. 17But whoever HAS THIS WORLD’S GOODS, and sees his brother in need, and SHUTS UP HIS HEART FROM HIM, HOW does the LOVE OF GOD ABIDE IN HIM? 18My little children, let us NOT LOVE IN WORD or IN TONGUE, but IN DEED AND IN TRUTH. …” – Blessed St. John the only non-martyr Apostle of Christ (1 John 3:16 – 18, NKJV)

 

*Agape = Love of God in Action = Knowing it is Clearly Described as SHARING AND GIVING this WORLD’S GOODS which is the CHARITY DOCTRINE LIFESTYLE as Fruit of Salvation (not cause of it). Yes, even “ALL ACCURATE FAITH + GIFTS OF PROPHECY/BIBLE KNOWLEDGE” WITHOUT THIS AGAPE/LOVE SAVES NO ONE, Verse:

 

“… And though I have the GIFT OF PROPHECY, and understand all mysteries and ALL KNOWLEDGE, and though I have ALL FAITH, so that I could remove mountains, but HAVE NOT LOVE [AGAPE*], I AM NOTHING. …” (1 Corinthians 13:12, NKJV)

 

Note: Please notice the phrases “ALL PROPHECY“, “ALL (BIBLE) KNOWLEDGE” and “ALL FAITH” in Verse above clearly. It also Proves that it’s possible to have Say ALL FAITH to do MIRACLES but HAVE NOT AGAPE/LOVE for if “not”, these Verses won’t be Written as they cannot describe an impossibility but rather a possibility only.

 

Also the “GOOD SAMARITAN” with LESSER FAITH or LESSER THEOLOGICAL KNOWLEDGE or LESSER ACCURACY OR LESSER SPIRITUAL GIFTS did it but the “PRIEST AND LEVITE” too “MISSED” this CHARITY DOCTRINE LIFESTYLE as CHRIST HIMSELF POINTED OUT making THIS CONTEXT TRUE AS IT IS WRITTEN in Luke 10:25 – 37.

 

As CHRIST HIMSELF SAID in the Parable of the Good Samaritan likewise as follows:

 

“… DO THIS AND YOU WILL LIVE …” (Luke 10:28, NKJV)

 

Nothing else matters EXCEPT OBEYING  WRITTEN NEW TESTAMENT COMMANDS OF GOD in Principle of Verse below:

 

“… Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD. …” (1 Corinthians 7:19, KJV)

 

Note: I have discussed these aspects extensively in the recent free pdf books for example in PAGES 189 to 191 in the #MysteryoftheKingdomofHeavenBook .

 

If I had a last Brief Sharing of the Word, this post would be it.

 

 

 

 

 

Peace to you

 

 

 

 

OSAS and NON-ELECT SALVATION Possibility with the Possible Scripture Shepherd of Hermas and Beyond

 

1) What is OSAS?

 

OSAS stands for “Once Saved, Always Saved” doctrinal stance where it was Preached like the great late evangelist Mr. Billy Graham. It basically means that if you have believed in Christ (be Saved), no matter what you sin after that, you will eventually be saved where they quote Bible Verses such as “… whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life …” (John 3:16) making the claim of Salvation based on “FAITH ALONE” (Sola Fide). The extremes of OSAS clearly points that the “WORKS of SIN” does not affect the Final Salvation at all despite one may be punished in this life (or in the afterlife via “Saved by Fire”?). Based on this, they encourage anyone to just believe (or try to believe) so that they could be hope for them.  However, other Christians oppose this position mainly based on the fact that Hebrews 10 or Matthew 22 (as just discussed in last chapter) points to the rejection of MANY and FEW SAVED based on THEIR WORKS. But as we have seen on Page 122 earlier, the Context for “Few Saved” can also refer to the First Resurrection number meaning some could be Saved during the Second Resurrection which can include ‘fallen Christians’ who could be “SAVED by FIRE” (1 Corinthians 3:14 – 15) as per First Christianity’s Chiliasm Champion  of Faith’s quote below which refers to this TIMELINE of between the FIRST AND SECOND RESURRECTION (1000 years Time Period, Revelation 20:5) where some can be “SAVED after this LAKE of FIRE” destroying THEIR WORKS OF SIN (possibly a type of non-Elect Salvation), to quote these:

 

  1. i) Saved by Fire

 

“… 14If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, HE WILL RECEIVE A REWARD. 15If anyone’s WORK IS BURNED, HE WILL SUFFER LOSS; but HE HIMSELF WILL BE SAVED, YET SO AS THROUGH FIRE.  …” (1 Corinthians 3:14 – 15, NKJV)

 

  1. ii) The “Fire” in “Saved by Fire” referred to is the “Lake of Fire” Context

 

“… 13each ONE’S WORK will become clear; FOR THE DAY WILL DECLARE IT, BECAUSE IT WILL BE REVEALED BY FIRE; and THE FIRE WILL TEST EACH ONE’S WORK, of what sort it is. 14If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, HE WILL RECEIVE A REWARD. 15If anyone’s WORK IS BURNED, HE WILL SUFFER LOSS; but HE HIMSELF WILL BE SAVED, YET SO AS THROUGH FIRE.” (1 Corinthians 3:13 – 15, NKJV)

Note: Either way, there is “loss” despite “being saved” if we end up “saved by fire” where this “Fire” refers to the “Lake of Fire” Context simply because it refers to the “FIRE which is to be REVEALED on THAT DAY (when He Returns or perhaps Judgment Day 1000 years later, no one knows which for sure) in Verses above for ‘this Salvation case’ (most likely non-Elect Salvation I think).

 

iii) First Christianity Quote for Salvation of “Saved by Fire” referring to the “Lake of Fire” Context

 

“… “OUR SAVIOUR has appointed TWO KINDS of RESURRECTION in the APOCALYPSE. ‘Blessed is he that hath part in the FIRST RESURRECTION,’ for such COME TO GRACE WITHOUT JUDGMENT. As FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT COME TO THE FIRST, but are reserved unto the SECOND RESURRECTION, THESE SHALL BE DISCIPLINED UNTIL THEIR APPOINTED TIMES, BETWEEN THE FIRST AND THE SECOND RESURRECTION.” …” – Blessed Archbishop St. Ambrose of Milan, the first Great Latin Doctor of the Church, Converter, Baptizer and Teacher of St. Augustine of Hippo (c. 340 AD – c. 397 AD)

 

Source: https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Ambrose    or

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambrose#

 

  1. iv) Existence of OSAS Christians

 

“… 67. There are SOME, indeed, WHO BELIEVE THAT THOSE WHO DO NOT ABANDON the NAME OF CHRIST, and WHO ARE BAPTIZED in his laver in the Church, who are NOT CUT OFF FROM IT BY SCHISM or HERESY, WHO MAY THEN LIVE IN SINS HOWEVER GREAT, NOT WASHING THEM AWAY BY REPENTANCE, NOR REDEEMING THEM BY ALMS –and WHO OBTINATELY PERSEVERE IN THEM TO LIFE’S LAST DAY – EVEN THESE WILL STILL BE SAVED, “THOUGH AS BY FIRE.” [1 Corinthians 3:15] THEY BELIEVE THAT SUCH PEOPLE WILL BE PUNISHED BY FIRE, PROLONGED IN PROPORTION TO THEIR SINS, BUT STILL NOT ETERNAL. BUT THOSE WHO BELIEVE THUS, and are STILL CATHOLICS, ARE DECEIVED, as it seems to me, by a kind of merely human benevolence. For the divine Scripture, when consulted, answers differently. Moreover, I have written a book about this question, entitled Faith and Works,142 in which, with God’s help, I have shown as best I could that, according to Holy Scripture, the faith that saves is the faith that the apostle Paul adequately describes when he says, “For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision avails anything, nor uncircumcision, but the faith which works through love.”143 But if faith works evil and not good, then without doubt, according to the apostle James “it is dead in itself.”144 He then goes on to say, “If a man says he has faith, yet has not works, can his faith be enough to save him? …” – Blessed St. Augustine of Hippo, Doctor of the Church, who influenced virtually all of subsequent Western philosophy and Catholic theology, as well as a significant amount of Protestant theology (c. 354 AD – c. 430 AD, Point 67, “Faith and Works”, Enchiridion).

Source: http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/augustine_enchiridion_02_trans.htm

 

Comments:

 

  1. OSAS Type of Doctrine

 

“… 67. There are SOME, indeed, WHO BELIEVE THAT THOSE WHO DO NOT ABANDON the NAME OF CHRIST, and WHO ARE BAPTIZED in his laver in the Church, who are NOT CUT OFF FROM IT BY SCHISM or HERESY, WHO MAY THEN LIVE IN SINS HOWEVER GREAT, NOT WASHING THEM AWAY BY REPENTANCE, NOR REDEEMING THEM BY ALMS –and WHO OBTINATELY PERSEVERE IN THEM TO LIFE’S LAST DAY – EVEN THESE WILL STILL BE SAVED, “THOUGH AS BY FIRE.” [1 Corinthians 3:15] THEY BELIEVE THAT SUCH PEOPLE WILL BE PUNISHED BY FIRE, PROLONGED IN PROPORTION TO THEIR SINS, BUT STILL NOT ETERNAL. …”

 

  1. Please notice carefully that St. Augustine believed in the CHARITY DOCTRINE as a MUST FOR REPENTANCE and ALSO FOR JUDGMENT of SINS to be REMOVED, his quote here (which many protestants deny but CHRIST TAUGHT it clearly in LUKE 11:39 – 45 in this Context too):

 

“… WHO MAY THEN LIVE IN SINS HOWEVER GREAT, NOT WASHING THEM AWAY BY REPENTANCE, NOR REDEEMING THEM BY ALMS –and WHO OBTINATELY PERSEVERE IN THEM TO LIFE’S LAST DAY …”

Please notice the Relative Measure of ability to do REPENTANCE and ALMS (= Charity Doctrine) till the ‘last day’ of one’s earthly life  in St. Augustine’s phrase above proving he believed in it as he contrasts the OSAS type of Christians to DENY THESE.

 

 

 

iii. Some Type of Salvation (possibly non-Elect) is believed by such OSAS Christians even in the Context of LAKE of FIRE quoting 1 Corinthians 3:15’s Context likewise here

“… – EVEN THESE WILL STILL BE SAVED, “THOUGH AS BY FIRE.” [1 Corinthians 3:15] THEY BELIEVE THAT SUCH PEOPLE WILL BE PUNISHED BY FIRE, PROLONGED IN PROPORTION TO THEIR SINS, BUT STILL NOT ETERNAL. …”

 

  1. Please notice carefully that even St. Augustine (as strict as he is portrayed) does NOT call these Christians (Catholic means ‘Universal Christians’) as believing in HERESY NOR SCHISM but are STILL SAVED regardless proving clearly that even if errors in Doctrine are made about these areas NO ONE IS A HERETIC

 

“… BUT THOSE WHO BELIEVE THUS, and are STILL CATHOLICS, ARE DECEIVED, as it seems to me, by a kind of merely human benevolence. …”

  1. v) Existence of UNIVERSALIST Christians in First Christianity

 

“… “There are very many in our day, who though not denying the Holy Scriptures, do not believe in endless torments. …” — St. Augustine of Hippo (354-430 A.D.)

Source: https://www.mercyuponall.org/tag/church-fathers/

 

or

“… Yet even in his wrath–his wrath resting on them–he does not “shut up his mercy.” This is not to put an end to their eternal afflictions, but rather to apply or interpose some little respite in their torments. … Now, if this wrath were all there is in man’s damnation, and even if it were present only in the slightest degree conceivable–still, to be lost out of the Kingdom of God, to be an exile from the City of God, to be estranged from the life of God, to suffer loss of the great abundance of God’s blessings which he has hidden for those who fear him and prepared for those who hope in him240 –this would be a punishment so great that, if it be eternal, no torments that we know could be compared to it, no matter how many ages they continued. …” – Blessed St. Augustine of Hippo, Doctor of the Church, who influenced virtually all of subsequent Western philosophy and Catholic theology, as well as a significant amount of Protestant theology (c. 354 AD – c. 430 AD, Points 112 – 113, CHAPTER XXIX. “The Last Things”, Enchiridion).

Source: http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/augustine_enchiridion_02_trans.htm

Note: St. Augustine of Hippo himself affirms in his own words here that we may contemplate such a possibility described above as “not Denying Holy Scripture” (and hence we are not heretics) even though he believed in Eternal Hell for the Wicked.

 

Also the “Opinion of St. Augustine” is very important indeed simply because even Blessed John Calvin (Founder of the Reformed Church Protestants) himself learnt his theology from St. Augustine’s Writings. Example quote:

 

“…  Augustine is so wholly within me, that if I wished to write a confession of my faith, I could do so with all fullness and satisfaction to myself out of his writings  …” – Blessed John Calvin, Protestant Reformer Theologian (Creator of the Five Point Calvinism or Tulips Doctrine for Protestanism)

Source: Calvin, John. A Treatise on the Eternal Predestination of God. in Calvin, John (1987). Calvin’s Calvinism. Translated by Henry Cole. Grandville, MI: Reformed Free Publishing Association. p. 38

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustinian_Calvinism

 

  1. vi) St. Ambrose’s Quotes detailing the Lake of Fire understanding as Salvation is Possible from there? You decide, example discussion in support of it is as follows:

 

St. Ambrose defined Luke 12:49 to refer to the Final Lake of Fire/Gehenna Judgment as the Final Baptism of Fire on that Day toward the Wicked or Fallen Believers too where the sin or the work of the flesh:

 

“… I came to set the earth on fire, and what is my will, if not that finally it lights up? [Luke 12:49] I must be baptized with a baptism, and what is my torment as long as it is not accomplished! ” Higher up, He has kept us vigilant, waiting at all times for the coming of the Lord Savior, lest by slackening, by negligence, by differing from day to day his work, such, preceded by the day of the future judgment or by his own death, lose the reward of his management. It was addressed to all, in the form of a general precept; but the theme of the following comparison seems to be proposed to the bishops, that is to say, to the bishops, to let them know that they will have to undergo a severe punishment later, if, occupied with the pleasures of the century, they neglected to govern the house of the Lord and the people entrusted to them. But as the profit is thin, and the merit is low, when it is the fear of the punishment which prevents from going astray, since the charity and the love have a superior dignity, the Lord sharpens our zeal to deserve its favor and we are inflamed with the desire to acquire God, saying, “I have come to set fire to the earth,” not certainly the fire that consumes the goods, but the one that produces the good will, which makes the vases of and from the house of the Lord, consuming the hay and the straw (I Cor. iii. 12ff., 1 Corinthians 3:11 – 15), devouring all the gangue of the age, amassed by worldly pleasure, the work of the flesh that is to perish;… They have thus taught with evidentness what is the action of this fire, which enlightens the intimate of the heart. For this reason perhaps the Lord will come into the fire (see Is., LXVI, 15; 16): to consume all the vices at the moment of the resurrection, to fill by his presence the desires of each one, and to project the light on merits and mysteries….” – Blessed Archbishop St. Ambrose of Milan, the first Great Latin Doctor of the Church, Converter, Baptizer and Teacher of St. Augustine of Hippo (c. 340 AD – c. 397 AD, Commentary on Luke XII, Verses Luke 12:49 – 50)

Source:

 

https://sites.google.com/site/aquinasstudybible/home/luke-commentary/ambrose-on-luke-12

 

 

Proof Phrase that this Refers to the Final Lake of Fire Judgment toward those Christians who are treated as Unbelievers (Luke 12:46) from the above by St. Ambrose himself: “… I came to set the earth on fire … preceded by the day of the future judgment or by his own death, lose the reward of his management. It was addressed to all… seems to be proposed to the bishops, that is to say, to the bishops, to let them know that they will have to undergo a severe punishment later, if, occupied with the pleasures of the century, they neglected to govern the house of the Lord and the people entrusted to them … I have come to set fire to the earth,” not certainly the fire that consumes the goods, but the one that produces the good will, which makes the vases of and from the house of the Lord, consuming the hay and the straw (I Cor. iii. 12ff., 1 Corinthians 3:11 – 15), devouring all the gangue of the age, amassed by worldly pleasure, the work of the flesh that is to perish;…”.

 

 

Indeed, you can clearly see that St. Ambrose reveals that some Christian leaders or bishops are punished as unbelievers (Luke 12:46) in the Lake of Fire Context (hence the current purgatory is not enough) during the future Day of Judgment in a fire which produces ‘good will’ as he even quotes 1 Corinthians 3:12 implying that 1 Corinthians 3:11 – 15 may be applied to mean Salvation from the Lake of Fire, yes “even so through fire” (1 Corinthians 3:15) toward such fallen-believers who are deemed equal to unbelievers who have ‘equal sentences’ (Luke 12:46) proving our Context Claim Right Again. Can you see it?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Regardless, the “wicked” are said to be in the lake of Fire only till the last penny (not forever but an Aeonian Sentence which is proportioned according to their sin) as St. Ambrose’s commentary on Verses 58 – 59 prior clearly prove as follows:

 

“… It will be the same at the end of time: the angels will come to separate the wicked from the righteous, and throw them into the blazing furnace … or the punishment diminished according to the appreciation of the wrong … so, here, to be purified, because the sin of each is purified by the kind of transaction described above. … On the other hand, the guilty person is tortured and tortured as long as he has not served the sentence of the error committed…” – Blessed Archbishop St. Ambrose of Milan (Commentary on Luke 12:58 – 59, highlighted)

Christ Himself is the “Fire” through which they are Saved (1 Corinthians 3:11 – 15) as St. Ambrose Revealed above:

 

“… For this reason perhaps the Lord will come into the fire (see Is., LXVI, 15; 16): to consume all the vices at the moment of the resurrection, to fill by his presence the desires of each one, and to project the light on merits and mysteries….” – Blessed Archbishop St. Ambrose of Milan (Commentary on Luke 12:49, highlighted)

 

Strangely, the Commentary for Luke 12:46 – 48 is missing in the link above. Did St. Ambrose not write it or was it lost in history?

 

Two Ways Sin is Diminished in the ‘Prison’ of the Lake of Fire

 

Bible Verses:

 

 

“… For while you are going with your opponent to appear before the magistrate, on your way there make an effort to settle with him, so that he may not drag you before the judge, and the judge turn you over to the officer, and the officer throw you into prison. “I say to you, you will not get out of there until you have paid the very last cent. …” – Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 12:58 – 59, NASB)

 

 

 

 

 

 

  1. a) 1st & 2nd Way Combined (the Last Baptism of Fire which applies to All Human Being either in this life or next – Mark 9:49, Joel 2:28, Acts 2:17):

 

“…Likewise here: either the wrong is redeemed at the price of charity, or the punishment diminished according to the appreciation of the wrong. Now it is the custom, as we remember, to give a bath to the baths: by presenting it, everyone obtains the faculty of bathing there; so, here, to be purified, because the sin of each is purified by the kind of transaction described above. On the other hand, the guilty person is tortured and tortured as long as he has not served the sentence of the error committed…” – Blessed Archbishop St. Ambrose of Milan (c. 340 AD – c. 397 AD, Commentary on Luke XII, Verses Luke 12:58 – 59, highlighted)

 

 

  1. b) 1st Way highlighted:

 

“…Likewise here: either the wrong is redeemed at the price of charity, … so, here, to be purified, because the sin of each is purified by the kind of transaction described above. …” – Blessed Archbishop St. Ambrose of Milan (c. 340 AD – c. 397 AD, Commentary on Luke XII, Verses Luke 12:58 – 59, highlighted)

 

 

  1. c) 2nd Way highlighted:

 

“…Likewise here: either … or the punishment diminished according to the appreciation of the wrong. … so, here, to be purified, because the sin of each is purified by the kind of transaction described above… the guilty person is tortured and tortured as long as he has not served the sentence of the error committed…” – Blessed Archbishop St. Ambrose of Milan (c. 340 AD – c. 397 AD, Commentary on Luke XII, Verses Luke 12:58 – 59, highlighted)

 

 

I repeat: Though I argue as though St. Ambrose must have believed like this, I am “not” Saying that this must be it but as a “possibility” only these days since no one can say for sure. So for Truth’s sake, I present the evidence for such claims accordingly from Orthodox First Christianity and not by quoting heretics.

 

 

 

vii) St. Ambrose of Milan himself could have been an Universalist

 

St. Augustine’s Teacher and Converter, St. Ambrose of Milan himself may have believed in Universalism too, Example Quotes:

 

 

“… 167. How, then, will they be brought into subjection? In the way that the Lord Himself has said. “Take My yoke upon you.” It is not the fierce that bear the yoke, but the humble and the gentle. This clearly is NON BASE SUBJECTION for MEN, but a GLORIOUS ONE: “that in the NAME of JESUS EVERY KNEE should bow, of things in heaven and things beneath; and that EVERY  TONGUE should CONFESS that JESUS IS LORD in the Glory of God the Father.” But for this reason all things were not made subject before, for they had not yet received the wisdom of God, not yet did they wear the easy yoke of the Word on the neck as it were of their mind. “But as many as received Him,” as it is written, “to them gave He power to become the sons of God.” 168. Will any one say that Christ is now made subject, because MANY have BELIEVED? Certainly NOT. For Christ’s subjection lies NOT in a FEW but in ALL. For just as I do not seem to be brought into subjection, if the flesh in me as yet lusts against the spirit, and the spirit against the flesh, although I am in part subdued; so because the WHOLE CHURCH is the one body of Christ, we DIVIDE CHRIST as long as the HUMAN RACE DISAGREES. Therefore Christ is not yet made subject, for His members are not yet brought into subjection. But when we have become, not many members, but one spirit, then He also will become subject, in order that through His subjection   “God may be ALL and IN ALL.”  …” – Blessed Archbishop St. Ambrose of Milan, the first Great Latin Doctor of the Church, Converter, Baptizer and Teacher of St. Augustine of Hippo  (c. 340 AD – c. 397 AD, Ambrose: Selected Works and Letters, Book V Prologue, Points 167 – 168,  Page 720)

 

Source:

 

https://archive.org/stream/St.AmbroseSelectedWorksAndLetters/st_ambrose_selected_works_and_letters_djvu.txt

 

 

 

 

 

“… Let us then shortly sum up our CONCLUSION on the whole matter. A unity of power puts aside all idea of a degrading subjection. His giving up of power, and His victory as conqueror won over death, have not lessened His power. Obedience works out subjection. Christ has taken obedience upon Himself, obedience even to taking on Him our flesh, the cross even to gaining our salvation. Thus where the work lies, there too is the Author of the work. When therefore, all things have become subject to Christ, through Christ’s obedience, so that ALL bend their knees in His name, then He Himself will be ALL in ALL. For NOW, since ALL do NOT BELIEVE, ALL do NOT seem to be in SUBJECTION. But WHEN ALL have BELIEVED and DONE the will of God, then Christ will be ALL and in ALL. And when Christ is all and in all, then will God be all and in all; for the Father abides ever in the Son. How, then, is He shown to be weak, Who redeemed the weak? …” – Blessed Archbishop St. Ambrose of Milan, the first Great Latin Doctor of the Church, Converter, Baptizer and Teacher of St. Augustine of Hippo  (c. 340 AD – c. 397 AD, Selected Works and Letters, Page 726, Chapter 15, Point 182)

 

Source:

 

https://archive.org/stream/St.AmbroseSelectedWorksAndLetters/st_ambrose_selected_works_and_letters_djvu.txt

 

 

“… This is that peace above all peace which shall be granted AFTER the THIRD SHAKING of the heaven, the sea, the earth and the dry land, when He shall DESTROY ALL PRINCIPALITIES and POWERS [Ephesians 6:12, Colossians 2:15, Isaiah 24:21]. For HEAVEN and EARTH shall PASS AWAY [Revelation 21:1],306 and ALL  the FASHION of this WORLD [1 Corinthians 7:31, 1 John 2:17]; … And thus there will be peace over all, the passions of the body offering no resistance, and the UNBELIEVING mind NO OBSTACLE [Romans 3:3 – 4], that CHRIST may be ALL in ALL [1 Corinthians 15:24 – 28], offering in SUBJECTION to the Father the HEARTS of ALL MEN [1 Timothy 2:4, 1 Timothy 4:10] …”  – Blessed Archbishop St. Ambrose of Milan, the first Great Latin Doctor of the Church, Converter, Baptizer and Teacher of St. Augustine of Hippo  (c. 340 AD – c. 397 AD, LETTER XXX, AMBROSE TO IRENAEUS, GREETING, Point 14)

 

Source:

https://www.ccel.org/ccel/pearse/morefathers/files/ambrose_letters_03_letters21_30.htm

 

 

“… Paul makes a prayer for himself when he says: ‘That God may open the ‘door of his Word for me to announce the MYSTERY of CHRIST.‘ 15 Appropriate for the occasion was the substance of his prayer. In preaching the Gospel he was clearly chosen to be the one who opened the door of the Word, from which issued the SALVATION of the GENTILES and LIFE itself for ALL PEOPLE. … [Salvation for Which People? Context: All Men = the Whole Human Race as St. Ambrose explains just three points later as follows] … You are instructed above all to pray for the people, that is, for ALL MEN [1 Timothy 2:1], 28 for all members of your family, which is a conspicuous sign of mutual love. If you make a petition for yourself, then you pray merely for your own satisfaction. If everyone were thus to make a petition just for himself, he would become, not a petitioner, but an intercessor for favors. We conclude, therefore, that a petition for oneself is restricted to the person petitioning, whereas a PETITION for ALL MEN INCLUDES ONESELF, as you are a part of that number. Hence, great is the recompense wherein ALL MEN are accorded the benefits acquired by the prayers of each individual of the group. In this there is no question of presumption. Rather, it is much more the reflection of a humble heart, bestowing benefits more abundantly. …” – Blessed Archbishop St. Ambrose of Milan, the first Great Latin Doctor of the Church, Converter, Baptizer and Teacher of St. Augustine of Hippo  (c. 340 AD – c. 397 AD, Ambrose: fathers of the church, Gain and Abel, Points 36, 39, Chapter 9 Page 392, 395)

 

Source:

https://archive.org/stream/fathersofthechur027571mbp/fathersofthechur027571mbp_djvu.txt

 

Again, no one can say for certain if St. Ambrose of Milan was a Universalist or not but it certainly “possible” in light of all these quotes from his writings. As I said, we consider these as a “possibility” since no one knows for sure.

 

 

Comment: So John 3:16 can include such ones too, right? If not, then this Verse Speaks of a possible “non-Elect Salvation” and Let God Decide one day which is the case. Now even if the Context of Verses above Speaks of a “Fallen Christian” (Luke 12:46 – 48), his portion (final fate) is said to be EQUAL to UNBELIEVERS (Luke 12:46) meaning that these Verses could likewise all point to the NON-ELECT SALVATION of SAVED BY FIRE (1 Corinthians 3:15) making OSAS and possibly Christ Centered Universalism true likewise for “RANSOM for ALL” (e.g. 1 Timothy 2:6) may point really to “… ALL MEN to be SAVED …” eventually (1 Timothy 2:4) and hence PRAYERS and THANKSGIVINGs are made for ALL MEN in light of this Hope (1 Timothy 2:1) though some “BY [Lake of Fire] FIRE” only if these are understood in this way which is “possible” too as demonstrated via St. Ambrose of Milan’s quotes itself here.

“… 1I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for ALL MEN;4Who will have ALL MEN to be SAVED, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. … 6Who gave himself a RANSOM for ALL, to be testified in DUE TIME[s]. 7Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity. …” (1 Timothy 2:1, 4, 6 – 7, KJV)

 

2) St. Athanasius and RANSOM for ALL Meaning

St. Athanasius seems to understand that Christ’s “Ransom for ALL” includes even to the JEWS who DID NOT BELIEVE in HIM on earth too in the context of “SALVATION for ALL” eventually (if this is what he meant below, difficult, right?)

 

“… He it is that was crucified before the sun and all creation as witnesses, and before those who put Him to death: and by His death has SALVATION  come to ALL, and ALL CREATION  been RANSOMED. He is the Life of all, and He it is that as a sheep yielded His body to death as a substitute, for the SALVATION  of ALL, even though the Jews believe it not…” – Blessed St. Athanasius the Great, the Father of Orthodoxy, Patriarch of Alexandria and Champion of Trinity, Doctor of the Church and Confessor, Coptic Pope (c. 296 AD – c. 373 AD, Point 7, S:37. PSALM XXII. 16, &C. MAJESTY OF HIS BIRTH AND DEATH. CONFUSION OF ORACLES AND DEMONS IN EGYPT)

 

Source: https://www.ecatholic2000.com/fathers/untitled-820.shtml#_Toc390306303

 

  1. ii) St. Athanasius and NON-ELECT Salvation POSSIBILITY

 

This Context is strong because we know that St. Athanasius most likely believed in some type of non-Elect Salvation FROM HADES too based on his quote below (pointing to BELIEVING after SEEING POSSIBILITY as discussed in earlier Books)

 

“… And if a man has gone down even to HADES, and stands awestruck before the heroes who have descended thither, regarding them as gods, still he may see the fact of Christ’s resurrection and His victory over death, and reason from it that, of all these, He alone is very Lord and God. For the Lord touched all parts of creation, and freed and undeceived them all from every deceit. As St. Paul says, “Having put off from Himself the principalities and the powers, He triumphed on the cross,”(Col. 2. 15) so that no one could possibly be any longer deceived, but everywhere might find the very Word of God. For thus man, enclosed on every side by the works of creation and everywhere-in heaven, in HADES, in men and on the earth, beholding the unfolded Godhead of the Word, is no longer deceived concerning God, but worships Christ alone, and through Him rightly knows the Father. On these grounds, then, of reason and of principle, we will fairly silence the Gentiles in their turn. But if they think these arguments insufficient to confute them, we will go on in the next chapter to prove our point from facts. … ” – Blessed St. Athanasius the Great, the Father of Orthodoxy, Patriarch of Alexandria and Champion of Trinity, Doctor of the Church and Confessor, Coptic Pope (c. 296 AD – c. 373 AD, ‘On the Incarnation’, , Ibid, Chapter 7/ Section 45)

 

Translation Source:

https://www.worldinvisible.com/library/athanasius/incarnation/incarnation.7.htm

 

iii) St. Athanasius’ Approval of the Shepherd of Hermas for ‘Greater Accuracy’

 

Now, since St. Athanasius also ACCEPTED the SHEPHERD of HERMAS WRITING QUOTED EARLIER in the CONTEXT of NON-ELECT SALVATION as TRUTH (even if not at the Level of Canonical Scripture) as he says to “GREATER ACCURACY in regards to the DOCTRINE of PIETY” (his own words testify as follows):

 

“… These are the springs of salvation, in order that he who is thirsty may fully refresh himself with the words contained in them. In them alone is the doctrine of piety proclaimed. Let no one add anything to them or take anything away from them… But for the sake of greater accuracy I add, being constrained to write, that there are also other books besides these, which have not indeed been put in the canon, but have been appointed by the Fathers as reading-matter for those who have just come forward and which to be instructed in the doctrine of piety: the Wisdom of Solomon, the Wisdom of Sirach, Esther, Judith, Tobias, the so-called Teaching [Didache] of the Apostles, and the Shepherd. And although, beloved, the former are in the canon and the latter serve as reading matter, yet mention is nowhere made of the apocrypha; rather they are a fabrication of the heretics, who write them down when it pleases them and generously assign to them an early date of composition in order that they may be able to draw upon them as supposedly ancient writings and have in them occasion to deceive the guileless. …” – Blessed St. Athanasius the Great, the Father of Orthodoxy, Patriarch of Alexandria and Champion of Trinity, Doctor of the Church and Confessor, Coptic Pope (c. 296 AD – c. 373 AD, The 39th Festal Letter of Athanasius (367 CE))  Source: http://www.ntcanon.org/Athanasius.shtml

 

Note: Quoting the later councils and all that doesn’t matter so much because they all quote St. Athanasius for the 27 Book New Testament as even the Protestants do. I know of no earlier leader of the church to mention such number of books but may list more too or less too or not mention some too. I have discussed these same quotes and more on Page 179 onward in this Book.

A keen eye would notice that for St. Athanasius at that time even, the “Book of Esther” was “outside of the Bible” (just like the Shepherd of Hermas or others mentioned in his quote above) but today is one of the 66 books meaning these other books also could be likewise in his quote above: “…that there are also other books besides these, which have not indeed been put in the canon, but have been appointed by the Fathers as reading-matter for those who have just come forward and which to be instructed in the doctrine of piety: the Wisdom of Solomon, the Wisdom of Sirach, Esther, Judith, Tobias, the so-called Teaching [Didache] of the Apostles, and the Shepherd.  …”

 

*Shepherd = Shepherd of Hermas (in quote above)

 

St. Athanasius clearly points that each of these listed books are “accepted” while he states as “Apocrypha”  in his usage here “NOT” referring to these books but ‘other fake books made by heretics’ (which are “not” listed here meaning what is “not” listed could be potentially from heretical sources). That quote from above:

 

“…And although, beloved, the former are in the canon and the latter serve as reading matter, yet mention is nowhere made of the apocrypha; rather they are a fabrication of the heretics, who write them down when it pleases them and generously assign to them an early date of composition in order that they may be able to draw upon them as supposedly ancient writings and have in them occasion to deceive the guileless. …” …”

 

Comments, please consider these phrases carefully:

 

1) “… the former are in the canon  …” = 27 New Testament Books (Accepted)

 

2) “… and the latter serve as reading matter, …” = “… .that there are also other books besides these, which have not indeed been put in the canon, but have been appointed by the Fathers as reading-matter for those who have just come forward and which to be instructed in the doctrine of piety: the Wisdom of Solomon, the Wisdom of Sirach, Esther, Judith, Tobias, the so-called Teaching [Didache] of the Apostles, and the Shepherd [of Hermas]. …” (Accepted)

 

3) “… yet mention is nowhere made of the apocrypha; rather they are a fabrication of the heretics …” = Books which are “not” listed above (Rejected).

 

4) Shepherd of Hermas and NON ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY

 

  1. i) Firstly, each is given a Relative Measure of Faith according to GRACE GIVEN

 

“… For I say, through the GRACE GIVEN to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as GOD HAS DEALT TO EACH ONE A MEASURE OF FAITH. …” (Romans 12:3, NKJV)

Comment: The phrase “… as GOD HAS DEALT TO EACH ONE A MEASURE OF FAITH. …” in the above itself proves that ‘Christianity will have differences In Doctrine where we could get some parts right others wrong or vice versa’ but yet CAN BE SAVED (room for error is there). If there is “no” rooms for Doctrinal Errors, then there wouldn’t be a “measure” of “faith” but “equal” measure of “faith” to all which is NOT what’s Written here. So, regarding ‘who is right doctrinally, let God Decide One Day and Reward accordingly’.

 

We use the “Shepherd of Hermas” Writing because in the last section prior, we already showed that St. Athanasius the Great himself proves it as “True” in the Context of “GREATER ACCURACY” in ‘his own words’. So this could be a Doctrinal “Possibility” since we are not sure 100%. Please bear in mind that this Shepherd of Hermas was considered Scripture by many Champions of Faith in early Christianity even as discussed say in Pages 61 to 63 in the free #EternalhellAnnihilationandUniversalismBook while in Pages 64 to 68 the NON-ELECT SALVATION POSSIBILITY is DICUSSED to INCLUDE EVEN THE UNBAPTIZED Persons (that’s why this must be a NON-ELECT SALVATION if True) as it is PLACED OUTSIDE the TOWER (which is the CHURCH). Example quotes:

 

  1. a) Shepherd of Hermas was considered Scripture by these First Christianity Greats of Faith

 

Shepherd of Hermas which was considered Scripture-Level in First Christianity by even St. Irenaeous of Lyons (Hearer/Disciple of St. Polycarp an apostolic father being the direct disciple of Apostle St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation) , Tertullian (father of Latin Christianity), Pope Callixtus I (Head of the entire Roman Catholic Church in his time in First Christianity), St. Clement of Alexandria (head of the Cathecatical School of Alexandria) and even the First Bibles of Christianity (the Muratorian or Roman Canon in the West & the Codex Claromontanus Canon in the East) while Eusebius (father of Church History) and St. Athanasius the Great (father of orthodoxy & Champion of Trinity) approved of its use for catechumens

Please be careful of some Protestant attitude to simply claim some very rough language against the ‘Shepherd of Hermas’ Book because if on Judgment Day it turns out to be “Scripture”, condemning any Scripture could be liable to the “Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit” which has “no” forgiveness either in this age nor in the age to come:

“… Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.  …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 12:32, NKJV)

 

  1. b) Shepherd of Hermas non-Elect Salvation Quotes

 

“… “Now the other stones which you saw cast far away from the tower, and falling upon the public road and rolling from it into pathless places, are those who have indeed believed, but through doubt have abandoned the true road. Thinking, then, that they could find a better, they wander and become wretched, and enter upon pathless places. But those which fell into the fire and were burned? are those who have departed for ever from the living God; nor does the thought of repentance ever come into their hearts, on account of their devotion to their lusts and to the crimes which they committed. Do you wish to know who are the others which fell near the waters, but could not be rolled into them? THESE ARE THEY WHO HAVE HEARD THE WORD, and WISH TO BE BAPTIZED in the name of the Lord; but when the chastity demanded by the truth comes into their recollection, they draw back, and AGAIN WALK AFTER THEIR OWN WICKED DESIRES.” She FINISHED her EXPOSITION of the TOWER. But I, shameless as I yet was, asked her, “IS REPENTANCE POSSIBLE FOR ALL THOSE STONES WHICH HAVE BEEN CAST AWAY and DID NOT FIT INTO THE BUILDING of the TOWER, AND WILL THEY YET HAVE A PLACE IN THIS TOWER?” “REPENTANCE,” said she, “IS YET POSSIBLE, BUT IN THIS TOWER [of Repentance*] THEY CANNOT FIND A SUITABLE PLACE. But in another and MUCH INFERIOR PLACE THEY WILL BE LAID, and that, too, ONLY WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN TORTURED AND COMPLETED THE DAYS OF THEIR SINS. And on this account will they be transferred, because they have PARTAKEN of the RIGHTEOUS WORD. And then only will they be removed from their punishments when the THOUGHT of REPENTING of the evil deeds which they have done has come into their hearts. But if it does not come into their hearts, they will not be saved, on account of the hardness of their heart.” …” – Shepherd of Hermas (Chapter VII, Third Vision, Translated by another Well Known Scholar Mr. Roberts-Donaldson)

 

Source:  http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/shepherd.html

 

The part in quote above which proves non-Elect salvation Outside the “Tower = Church” here: “… “REPENTANCE,” said she, “IS YET POSSIBLE, BUT IN THIS TOWER THEY CANNOT FIND A SUITABLE PLACE. But in another and MUCH INFERIOR PLACE THEY WILL BE LAID, and that, too, ONLY WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN TORTURED AND COMPLETED THE DAYS OF THEIR SINS.  …”.

 

  1. c) How do we know that the Context of “Tower” here Parabolically refers to the “Tower of Repentance”? It’s Described earlier as follows ‘Tower [of Repentance]’ = ‘the Church’ = ‘the Elect Salvation’ so the Salvation described earlier must be a ‘Salvation OUTSIDE the TOWER (Church) in ANOTHER PLACE MUCH MORE INFERIOR, hence NON-ELECT SALVATION’ if these are read ‘as it is Written’ here and ‘Compared’, to quote:

 

“…  “Many indeed shall hear, and hearing, some shall be glad, and some shall weep. But even these, if they hear and repent, shall also rejoice. Hear, then, the PARABLES of the TOWER; for I will reveal all to you, and give me no more trouble in regard to revelation: for these revelations have an end, for they have been completed. But you will not cease praying for revelations, for you are shameless. The TOWER which you see building is myself, THE CHURCH, who have appeared to you now and on the former occasion. Ask, then, whatever you like in regard to the tower, and I will reveal it to you, that you may rejoice with the saints.”  …” – Shepherd of Hermas (Chapter III, Third Vision, Translated by another Well Known Scholar Mr. Roberts-Donaldson)

Source:  http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/shepherd.html

 

 

  1. ii) Born Again Bible Verses

 

“… 3Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born [a]again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” 4Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” 5Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.” …” (John 3:3 – 6, NKJV)

 

iii) Shepherd of Hermas Born Again Quotes

 

“… 13[90]:5 “Listen,” saith he. “The name of the Son of God is great and incomprehensible, and sustaineth the whole world. If then all creation is sustained by the Son [of God], what thinkest thou of those that are called by Him, and bear the name of the Son of God, and walk according to His commandments? 13[90]:6 Seest thou then what manner of men He sustaineth? Even those that bear His name with their whole heart. He Himself then is become their foundation, and He sustaineth them gladly, because they are not ashamed to bear His name.” 15[92]:1 “Declare to me, Sir,” say I, “the names of the virgins, and of the women that are clothed in the black garments.” “Hear,” saith he, “the names of the more powerful virgins, those that are stationed at the corners. 15[92]:2 The first is Faith, and the second, Continence, and the third, Power, and the fourth, Long-suffering. But the others stationed between them have these names–Simplicity, Guilelessness, Purity, Cheerfulness, Truth, Understanding, Concord, Love. He that beareth these names and the name of the Son of God shall be able to enter into the kingdom of God. 15[92]:3 Hear,” saith he, “likewise the names of the women that wear the black garments. Of these also four are more powerful than the rest; the first is Unbelief; the second, Intemperance; the third, Disobedience; the fourth, Deceit; and their followers are called, Sadness, Wickedness, Wantonness, Irascibility, Falsehood, Folly, Slander, Hatred. The servant of God that beareth these names shall see the kingdom of God, but shall not enter into it.” …” – The Shepherd of Hermas (Parable 9, Chapter 13 to 15, Mr. Lightfoot’s Translation)

Source: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/shepherd-lightfoot.html

 

 

Or

 

“CHAPTER XIV … Listen,” he said: “the name of the Son of God is great, and cannot be contained, and supports the whole world. If, then, the whole creation is supported by the Son of God, what think ye of those who are called by Him, and bear the name of the Son of God, and walk in His commandments? do you see what kind of persons He supports? Those who bear His name with their whole heart. He Himself, accordingly, became a foundation to them, and supports them with joy, because they are not ashamed to bear His name.”  CHAPTER XV.  “Explain to me, sir,” I said, “the names of these virgins, and of those women who were clothed in black raiment.” “Hear,” he said, “the names of the stronger virgins who stood at the comers. The first is Faith, the second Continence, the third Power, the fourth Patience. And the others standing in the midst of these have the following names: Simplicity, Innocence, Purity, Cheerfulness, Truth, Understanding, Harmony, Love. He who bears these names and that of the Son of God will be able to enter into the kingdom of God. Hear, also,” he continued, “the names of the women who had the black garments; and of these four are stronger than the rest. The first is Unbelief, the second: Incontinence, the third Disobedience, the fourth Deceit. And their followers are called Sorrow, Wickedness, Wantonness, Anger, Falsehood, Folly, Backbiting, Hatred. The servant of God who bears these names shall see, indeed, the kingdom of God, but shall not enter into it.” “And the stones, sir,” I said, “which were taken out of the pit and fitted into the building: what are they?” “The first,” he said, “the ten, viz, that were placed as a foundation, are the first generation, and the twenty-five the second generation, of righteous men; and the thirty-five are the prophets of God and His ministers; and the forty are the apostles and teachers of the preaching of the Son of God.” “Why, then, sir,” I asked, “did the virgins carry these stones also through the gate, and give them for the building of the tower?” “Because,” he answered, “these were the first who bore these spirits, and they never departed from each other, neither the spirits from the men nor the men from the spirits, but the spirits remained with them until their falling asleep. And unless they had had these spirits with them, they would not have been of use for the building of this tower.” …” – The Shepherd of Hermas (Parable 9, Chapter 13 to 15, Mr. Donaldson’s Translation)

Source: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/shepherd.html

 

  1. iv) SEE His Kingdom – POSSIBLE MEANING

 

 

 

“… Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is BORN AGAIN he cannot SEE the kingdom of God. …” (John 3:3, NASB)

 

“… 15[92]:3 Hear,” saith he, “likewise the names of the women that wear the black garments. Of these also four are more powerful than the rest; the first is Unbelief; the second, Intemperance; the third, Disobedience; the fourth, Deceit; and their followers are called, Sadness, Wickedness, Wantonness, Irascibility, Falsehood, Folly, Slander, Hatred. The servant of God that beareth these names shall SEE the kingdom of God, …” – Shepherd of Hermas (Parable 9, 15[92]:3, Mr. Lightfoot’s Translation)

 

 

So, SEEing His Kingdom is ONLY for those being BORN AGAIN (John 3:3). The Shepherd of Hermas implies that the WICKED [FALLEN CHRISTIAN or ‘Servants of God’ who WORE THESE BLACK GARMENTS of sin] will SEE His Kingdom and hence MUST be BORN AGAIN too and be “Saved” as per the NON-ELECT Salvation OUTSIDE the TOWER most likely (as per quote i) earlier) if “these Verses are compared as it is Written”.

 

Notice that the Shepherd of Hermas clearly mentions that these can SEE the KINGDOM (being BORN AGAIN) but CANNOT ENTER IT implying a SALVATION OUTSIDE the TOWER (Kingdom of God) even if SAVED.

 

This is Possible based on Verses below where being BORN AGAIN (Romans 8:20 – 21) where this aspect of the Sons of God, (His Elect – Romans 8:19) is SHARED by ALL CREATION eventually (Romans 8:22):

 

 

“… 19For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of [f]corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. …” (Romans 8:19 – 22, NKJV)

 

All Creation (Romans 8:22) —> will be BORN AGAIN (as the Greek Word in Romans 8:22 refers to ‘Birth Pangs’ Implying this, and has the Word ALL in front of ‘Creation’) —> in the Aspect of ‘liberty from Vanity or Decay, the corruption of sin’ causing ‘sin to cease to exist eventually’ as it is mentioned first in Immediate Consecutive Verses (Romans 8:20 – 21) —> where we, the ‘believers in faith’ (of ‘church’) are ‘more special’ inheriting more than just that (as the Verse earlier in Romans 8:19 describes the ‘rest of creation’ awaiting this).

 

In comparison, those who enter the Kingdom of God (Christians) must be BORN BOTH OF WATER and SPIRIT (Keep Repentance and His Commands).

 

  1. V) This NON-ELECT Salvation OUTSIDE the TOWER includes even the UNBAPTIZED who SINNED LIKEWISE and so in light of the SAME PORTION with UNBELIEVERS for FALLEN CHRISTIANS, this NON-ELECT Salvation TYPE may be POSSIBLE for such too:

 

“… THESE ARE THEY WHO HAVE HEARD THE WORD, and WISH TO BE BAPTIZED in the name of the Lord; but when the chastity demanded by the truth comes into their recollection, they draw back, and AGAIN WALK AFTER THEIR OWN WICKED DESIRES.” She FINISHED her EXPOSITION of the TOWER. But I, shameless as I yet was, asked her, “IS REPENTANCE POSSIBLE FOR ALL THOSE STONES WHICH HAVE BEEN CAST AWAY and DID NOT FIT INTO THE BUILDING of the TOWER, AND WILL THEY YET HAVE A PLACE IN THIS TOWER?” “REPENTANCE,” said she, “IS YET POSSIBLE, BUT IN THIS TOWER  THEY CANNOT FIND A SUITABLE PLACE. But in another and MUCH INFERIOR PLACE THEY WILL BE LAID, and that, too, ONLY WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN TORTURED AND COMPLETED THE DAYS OF THEIR SINS. …” – Shepherd of Hermas (Chapter VII, Third Vision, Translated by another Well Known Scholar Mr. Roberts-Donaldson)

 

Source:  http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/shepherd.html

“… 45But IF THAT SERVANT SAYS in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’ and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and be drunk, 46the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and WILL CUT HIM IN TWO AND APPOINT HIM HIS PORTION WITH THE UNBELIEVERS. 47And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone TO WHOM MUCH IS GIVEN, FROM HIM MUCH WILL BE REQUIRED; and TO WHOM MUCH HAS BEEN COMMITTED, OF HIM THEY WILL ASK THE MORE.  …” – The KING, Most Blessed Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 12:45 – 48, NKJV)

 

Conclusion

It is certainly “Possible” for such Worst Case Scenarios even and so Let God Decide One Day and I just present it as a “Possibility” only for this “Non-Elect Salvation” for both the sinning Fallen Christian and sinning unbelievers’ same portion of Judgment likewise and whatever God Decides One Day, we accept it.

 

 

Peace to you

 

 

 

END

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